The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi - #131 The Downside of Being an Orthodontist with Luke Shapiro

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

Dr. Luke Shapiro shares the downsides of being an orthodontist, how much money it would take to fix Gianmarco’s smile, a brilliant new way to tell someone they have bad breath, the ethics of dog braces, laughing gas addiction, and the best time to see a dentist.  You can watch full video of this episode HERE! Join the Patreon for ad-free episodes, exclusive content, and MORE. Follow Dr. Luke Shapiro on Instagram and TikTok For more info, visit https://linktr.ee/DrLukeShapiro Pre-order Zach Zimmerman's book, Is It Hot in Here? Or Am I Suffering For All Eternity for the Sins I Committed on Earth? here See Lane Kwederis' show @SexJobShow in NYC in April 2023. Get tickets at https://linktr.ee/lanekwederis Follow Gianmarco Soresi on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, & YouTube Subscribe to Gianmarco Soresi's email & texting lists Check out Gianmarco Soresi's bi-monthly show in NYC Get tickets to see Gianmarco Soresi in a city near you Watch Gianmarco Soresi's special "Shelf Life" on Amazon Follow Russell Daniels on Twitter & Instagram See Russell in Titanique in NYC! E-mail the show at [e-mail] Produced by Paige Asachika & Gianmarco Soresi Video edited by Dave Columbo Special Thanks Tovah Silbermann Part of the Authentic Podcast Network Original music by Douglas Goodhart Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the downside. My name is Jomarco Cerezi. I'm here with my co-host Russell Daniels. Hi Jomarco. How are you doing Russell? You know, I realized we never talked about when I went to, accidentally went to a swinger event on your block. Oh yes. Recently. So it was on Mardi Gras. I thought it was a Mardi Gras party. And so I like went and I was like,

hey, I'll be in your neighborhood. I'm going to this party. And then it, it was very much a swinger like event in every sense that there was swing dancing. So we went in and, and everyone was a swing dancer. And I didn't know that that was the parameters of, of the Mardi Gras. Sure. So I was like, Oh, we don't swing dance. So, so I was like, okay.

But you could still enjoy it. You just, there was swing music and swing swing dancing but it became very clear within the first five minutes that it wasn't they weren't just swing dancers they were the swingers like there was a lot of trading off uh not just dance partners but like the vibe was very okay what's the moment what's the moment you go this is not just a swing dance because swing dance? Because swing dance, you're changing partners. I don't think there was a moment. There wasn't one thing I saw.

It was the energy in the room was very like. You're 100% sure? I felt, really felt like it. It really felt like it. But no one probably, maybe you were just at a dance event. No. I mean, were swing dancing and swingers, do they go, hey, they're the same word. We'll combine these two events. It just felt like the way they were switching and then the way it didn't just end with the dancing.

There was like there was a feeling of it. I think it was the feeling of there's a lot of men. I don't know. It was hard to describe. It was very uncomfortable. We were only there for half an hour. I just there's just part of me that believes you going to this event and people are dancing and you're like, what are all these whores out here changing partners? I'm a swing event.

What is this? No, no, no. You had to be there. It really was. It was the feeling of it. Listen, if I knew it was a swing event, Tova and I would have been there. I tried to get you there. Well, we're here with our guest, a doctor, a first doctor on the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about medical stuff. Yeah. A doctor A first doctor on the show Yeah Yeah No Yeah Yeah We've talked about medical stuff Now we have someone Finally

I think we talk a lot of shit On doctors in general Not us But our guests Our guests do sometimes When we talk about the downside No one talks about Their good experience

With a doctor Yeah that's true So please Welcome to the podcast Dr. Luke Shapiro How are you doing? Thank you for having me Quick question Was that like planned? you doing? Thank you for having me. Quick question.

Was that planned? That was great. Thank you. That whole segment. Our conversation. Oh, no, no, no, no. I just realized we hadn't talked about it. Okay.

Let's pull back the current a little. Russell and I ran that conversation 10 times this morning. We came up with beats at the beginning, middle, end. So thank you. Good. We're doing well. Off to a good start. Right out the gate.

Now, let me, since this is the downside, right away, I'm sure there's a lot of discussion. Do you feel judged by a neurosurgeon and you're like, I'm Dr. Shapiro? Do you feel,

do you ever feel self-conscious about the, do you feel other doctors judge you? So, I mean, my dad's also Dr. Shapiro. So for me to be Dr. Shapiro is weird. Sure. It's still weird. And I've been a doctor since 2018, technically.

Is he a dentist? He's a dentist, too. Okay, cool. Is there a hierarchy amongst doctors, though? People always make the joke, like, you cool. Is there a hierarchy amongst doctors, though? Like, in terms of... I mean, people always make the joke, like, you know, dentists aren't real doctors. And then orthodontists aren't even real dentists. Yeah.

Oh, so you... See, that's what I love. You always talked about where you see other big people and you judge. You go like, oh, they're bigger than me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For dentists to judge orthodontists is a... We're really getting into the weeds. Yeah. What do you... Are orthodontists is a real, we're really getting into the weeds. Yeah.

What do you, are orthodontists doctors? Yeah, of course. Yeah. We had to do dental school and everything. You're an orthodontist. I'm an orthodontist. As opposed to a dentist. Well, it's like a square rectangle type thing.

Okay. So all orthodontists are dentists, but not all dentists are orthodontists. But dentists, you said dentists judge orthodontists or orthodontists judge dentists? It's like a joke I don't know if they're serious I hope they're not serious But I guess we're not doing We're not extracting teeth or doing root canals

Our job is a little more Planning Less back breaking Okay And Jill Biden Is she a doctor Is she She's? Is she? She's technically, but she's like a reading doctor.

She's a doctor of reading. No, it's just one of those things. She has a PhD. What does it make you a doctor? A PhD? Yeah, PhD. Exactly. People have PhDs as well.

I don't think that they're real doctors. Wow. You're going on the conservative side of this. I don't have a strong opinion about it. Usually when I talk to my patients, I'll say, who's your physician? Yes. Yes. Or who's your dentist?

Yeah. In my mind, a dentist seems like more of a doctor to me than an eye doctor. You know? Sure. Really? Maybe I'm just... There's also two different types of eye doctors. That's true.

There's an optometrist and an ophthalmologist. Oh, my God. You're right. So maybe... What are the differences between also two different types of eye doctors. That's true. There's an optometrist and an ophthalmologist. Oh, my God. You're right. So maybe... What are the differences between those? But they're both doctors. Yeah. When you start caring about terms, and we all go through this.

Yeah, yeah. There's times I go, they're not a real stand-up comedian. You've already lost. You've already lost. You're trying to say what other people are calling themselves. Anytime you're deciding what someone else should call themselves, and I mean this in the grand spectrum of things, you have lost. I agree.

Exactly. I agree. This is The Downside. One, two, three. Downside. You're listening to The Downside. The Downside. With Gianmarco Cerezi.

We just played some theme music just so you know. Your wife is here in the studio to make sure you don't say any shit about her. The moment I ask about her, she's pulling these plugs. She's got her foot ready to go. We're going to dive into the weeds about this soon. I do want to share a story about I was in Aruba for some shows. Have you ever been to Aruba? No,

but that's cool. I feel like dentists go there. I feel like dentists, there's a lot of dental conferences there. You're right. Look at that. Yeah. Dentists,

I feel like dentists know how to have a good time. They're like, I'm going to be a doctor, but not the kind where I have to deal with a lot of death. Like Florida, Hawaii, Aruba. Yeah.

There's a lot of conferences there. Yeah. Is that, I feel like a lot of Jews go there. I'm Jewish. Are you Jewish? Shapiro. Shapiro. The conferences there. Yeah. I feel like a lot of Jews go there. I'm Jewish. Are you Jewish? Shapiro. Shapiro.

The Chaim. Yeah. There's not a lot of blonde Jews. I know. You're a rare breed. It's like an Aryan Jew. I'm like 100% Ashkenazi. Really?

Crazy, I know. What percentage are blondes? I don't know. Do the Hasid, do they know when they see you? Do they come up to you? Are you Jewish? Or no? They do. They do. So they can tell. I don't know. Do the Hasid, do they know when they see you? Do they come up to you? Are you Jewish? Or no? They do.

They do. So they can tell. They can sense it. They can tell. And I like, I feel bad. I sometimes lie if I'm like in a rush.

You shouldn't feel bad at all. You shouldn't. I slap them. I mean, how many times are you going to have that conversation? Are you going to say yes

over and over again? Yes. You're the other guy who just asked me. You asked me this yesterday. You're someone who looked like you. And you have to wrap the conversation? Are you going to say yes over and over again? Yes, you're like, you're the other guy who just asked me. You asked me this yesterday. You're someone who looked like you. And you have to wrap the tefillin. It takes a while.

I did the tefillin. Every time they want me to do a tefillin, I said I did it once. And I was with my... What is that? Tell us what the tefillin is. So it's like this piece of black leather wrap. And they wrap it all around your arm. Make it tight.

I'll be honest. I forget the exact reason. But I remember I was with my wife. No one remembers anymore. You ask them, they go, we don't even remember anymore. We just do it. They just do it to you on the street? So you wrap this like, what is it, leather, plastic?

The real ones are leather. So they're leather, you wrap it, and there's like a cube thing, and it goes around, you put it on your head, and then do you say a prayer? Yes, you say a prayer, yes. You're supposed to do it five times a day. And if you say why, it's just like, it's a mitzvah, it's a good thing. It's a mitzvah.

It's a mitzvah to get other people to do it, which is why they're doing it. So it's just like, unlike... See Christians had it right. This is why there's more Christians, because they're like, if you don't do this, you're going to hell. Jews are like, do this, it's a good thing. And that's not going to spread. You're not going to get a lot of converts with that kind of thinking.

You need to say, if you don't do this, you don't do the tefillin, you're going to get re-circumcised with more. We're going to take a little more off. I don't do the tefillin You burn You get re-circumcised Yeah With more We're going to take a little more off I don't know what part So So Okay Jewish

Oh what I was saying Aruba Aruba So it's at this casino Where these And it was like This audience was Old

Retired Old Retired Like I would say Average age of late 60s. Okay. So they were drinking.

They're having a good time. And the audience, before the show starts, one of them decides to go on stage. This is the kind of age we're talking, where they have the confidence or the don't give a shit anymore. They went on stage one at a time and started telling jokes. Before the show. Before the show. Way before the show. And they were allowed to.

No one stopped them. No one stopped them. And it was kind of, it wasn't bad. There's a version where it's like, we're not going to be able to get the show started. These are old people. They could be subdued. You could take them off the stage if you needed to okay and uh i think a woman started it and she went up and and told a cute joke about like a tamale i forget the joke exactly but it's cute uh then another woman comes up and she's like

uh what did what did the big tomato say to the little tomato? Do you know? No idea. I don't know. Ketchup. Ketchup. Ketchup. Gotcha. Oh, okay.

Okay. Yeah. So cute. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a cute one. Maybe not for comedian standards, but. Yeah, it would be tough. It's fine.

I could imagine at the cellar it would be a real change of pace. So then a guy goes up an older man goes up and i i pulled the audio oh god so this was the joke i hope it sounds okay well she had a little too much fun so she started running around with a blanket tied on and she thought she was a super person right so she's running throughout the facility and she goes into the common room and she says I'm super pussy and she pulls her dress up. Jesus Christ. Then she runs into another area where they're playing cards and she goes I'm super pussy.

And then she runs into John's room and climbs up on the bed on top of him and stands over him and she goes, I'm super bussy. And he goes, I think I'll have the soup. Okay. Big laugh. Big laugh. Bigger laugh than anyone I got that night.

But it was just so funny to watch like, you know, that this woman wanted this cute little joke. And the moment this guy gets up, it's super pussy, super pussy. That's the joke he's decided to go with. Classic joke. Have you ever heard that one? I've never heard it.

I have not. I knew where it was. Could you tell where it was going? Super. I could by how he was saying it. Yeah. super i could buy how he was saying it yeah um i so it was it was it was fun but it's very funny just to see the real a real difference between the men and women in that room where another man went up and it was a joke about you know he some some some penis that listened to commands and then

accidentally ripped it off and hit him in the eye and fucked him in the ass. And I was just like, Jesus Christ! What happened to the big tomato to the little tomato? So it was just fun to watch kind of a real difference between guys and gals. How long was that going on for? People just telling jokes. There were about, I'd say about eight jokes and the super pussy guy went up three different

times. He had three different jokes that he wanted to tell. If you had to do a street joke. They used i don't have to do this i'm actually this used to be when you audition for commercials they'd be like tell us yes i remember i had to do it once and i actually have a lot of anxiety around it because i don't remember those kinds of jokes i just never do yeah i don't have one of the jokes you like them i don't i they don't stick with me i don't really like them you don't even enjoy them like a fun no no no i don't like it the structure no i don't because i'm like this isn't real this didn't happen in real life and you're watching stand up like oh this is all

truthful no but i like it when they build like a like when it feels like they're telling me something that's real from their life even if i know that it's bullshit because i know that you know you just have to create an act at some point. But I don't like the... The other day, I felt so stupid. Jeffrey Asmus, who I talk about a lot, he's been on the podcast, very good comedian.

But he always talks about his uncle, his uncle says this, and then it's the setup, and then he has the punchline. Well, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the other day, I realized, I was like, oh, your uncle is just a character mouthpiece that can say you're set up the way that you want it to be said yeah rather than being like you see this in the news he's like my uncle says this and i i felt so stupid to be like oh this is just a

device yeah your uncle didn't say this thing. Yeah. Do you know any street jokes? Any jokes? Terrible dad jokes. Please tell them. Or especially dentist ones. I know a dentist one. Is it the time one? Yeah.

Tell us the time one. But really, really sell it. It's a good one. What's the dentist's favorite time of the day? Or to go to the dentist? What time? 2.30. Oh.

You never heard that one? 2.30? No, no. It's a good one. And you don't like that? I don't. Because in your mind, I like to go to the dentist at 1.30. It's all truthful enough for Russell. Russell needs a real realistic joke.

Oh, you love that joke. You love that joke. That's a cute joke. Okay. I like dad jokes. Okay. I like dad jokes. I don't mind them.

I'm just, I don't, like, they don't do anything. They don't turn me on. Do you have a kid? No. I think they're called dad jokes because I feel like dads, when you have a kid and you're a father, you become so meaningless that you cling to any little bit of humor along the way. And so you start those little jokes throughout the day. That's all you got. That's the only thing that even gets your wife

to react to you anymore. It's not a good reaction. She goes, ugh. When I make dad jokes, Tova goes, ugh. It has no amusement from them. And I'm like, well, at least I got something out of you. Okay, good, good, good. I like your wife's's here we got a laugh track over here oh great yeah yeah just so we know we're in the right direction um if he says anything you disagree with i'll give you the mic you can

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tell me your your tooth history what did you have to do as a kid I mean like the standard things you know braces

no no no no braces no braces no braces congratulations yeah but smile didn't have i'm i'm now no i feel very insecure now no no let me see your teeth yeah they're not great

yours or mine no my i'm not gonna did you have braces i had braces for i I would say, like two years. And they do it. I've never seen a picture of you with braces. I'm sure I didn't take that many. It wasn't that long. And they did it at the age, like luckily, because obviously it's a money thing too, but where all the kids were doing it. Before we had like, I don't know, I feel like you should do it before puberty for sure. But I feel like it was like right in the smack dab of it. Maybe you do it during puberty so you make sure no one's fucking.

Yeah. Because you all look racist. Actually, to set the record straight, it's just whenever you're ready. Like your teeth. Because some people lose their teeth and have all their adult teeth at like 10. Some people don't lose it until like 13 or 14. There's a wide gap. Sometimes people get adult braces too.

Adult braces as well. And then sometimes you even get like, we call it phase one. So you actually get braces when you're like seven or eight. So it all depends. Are you trying to get the braces on like the moment it's time for, like if all your adult teeth in, time to get the braces on like the moment it's time for like if all your adult teeth in time to get braces right away not necessarily everything depends i just think it's interesting when it comes to teeth from a scientific perspective we there's no is there

there's is there any there's no reason for teeth to be good looking. Like, we've decided they should look this way. 100%, yeah. Because the British people, right? Is that true? British people have bad teeth? Isn't that like the joke? Well, because their medical system is... It's all like insurance.

And they only cover... Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What a disaster. Yeah, real funny bit. So, okay. So, In England, they pay for everything But they only pay for your teeth If it's medically

Necessary, so a lot of people don't get it Because they don't value paying for medical Stuff because It's mostly included That's pretty incredible, because we don't cover teeth Here in America, are we just more superficial?'t cover teeth here in America. Not really. Are we just more superficial? We cover a little bit,

but it really shouldn't be called dental insurance. It's more so like a dental discount program. Yeah. But in England, have they changed it at all after they got this reputation

of having the worst teeth in the world? I don't know. After Austin Powers, there was a big movement to change the insurance industry. Are there a lot of dentists in, are there much fewer dentists in England because because no no i i i don't know the exact numbers but

i think it's just like the system that's how it works there so i don't have more details but you don't need to your teeth could look gnarly as fuck yeah that's that's true like there's a lot of your teeth could look gnarly as fuck. Yeah, that's true. There's a lot of things that we do in orthodontics and dentistry that are just purely for aesthetics. Now, there are a lot of things that will make your teeth better and your health better, but it doesn't mean you would necessarily die if you didn't fix it.

I'm just wondering. It's like one of those things where it's like, well, if no one wore makeup, then that would be great. Then we wouldn't have, like if no one got their teeth fixed, you know, you'd be fucked. But maybe it would be fine.

Maybe we'd get used to gnarly teeth. Take, for example, like a diastema. So like Madonna, Michael Strahan, they have a big space in between their front teeth. That's fine. There's nothing medically wrong with that. I never noticed that about Madonna. Really?

No. I think she got rid of it recently. Oh. Really? Madonna's had work done? Or she still has it? Oh, she still has it. Sorry.

Veneers. Can we talk about veneers? Veneers are shocking when all of a sudden you see them. You know what I mean? I knew someone who, I guess they were bulimic for quite a while and so there's a lot of throwing up and and and because of the acidity they're they're it fucked up their teeth so they had full veneers on all their teeth yeah do you put on veneers i only straighten teeth you only straighten teeth correct okay but veneers yeah that they probably even need crowns for that for that person because

The the acidity is actually coming from like the inside so Yeah, I can the city will break down the teeth over time and then you need to get like a full Pretty much new tooth to cover it I've seen it where if one falls out. It's a tough, it's tough. You got to get that fixed quick. Again, it's not a medical emergency, but also like also some veneers like should look like,

like I actually have veneers. You have veneers? Yeah. Two of them. They're good. Which ones? My front two. Your front two?

Oh, they're good. They're good. They don't look like, cause sometimes they're so white. Yeah. I went for the natural look. Whoa.

Okay. That's good. That's smart. But yeah, I fell on my face when I was like in fourth grade. Yeah, like knocked out, lost consciousness. And all I did was break my teeth. Luckily, my dad is a dentist. Can I tell you a story about someone who lost a tooth?

Yeah, let's do it. One time I was at a party. What time was it when they lost a tooth? Well, no, listen. I was at a party in Brooklyn. And this is a very convoluted story to talk about. But anyways, and I revealed a little bit too much by saying it's a tooth story. But I was at a party in Brooklyn, and it was a horrible party.

And I was high, and I was too high to be at the party. You know, where you're like, I'm not having fun. I'm a little paranoid. I'm just kind of hanging out by the food station. I feel like that when I'm not high at a party. So I was like, I was like, I got to get out of here. I got to leave. So my friend and I who were living, oh, sorry.

No, the party was in Astoria, but we were staying in Brooklyn. So it was a whole long commute, you know? Just so you know, with some of these details. I'm trying to set the stage that it's like an hour long commute. Okay. It changed the story completely. I got the other day where I was telling a story and I was like 22. And in the middle, I's like an hour long commute. Okay. It changes the story completely. Okay. The other day where I was telling a story and I was like 22 and then the

middle, I was like, no, no, no, no. And then people go, Oh,

thank God. Anyways. So I'm at this party. Want to leave paranoid. Hi. Kind of a bubble. So get my roommate. We're going to leave.

And, uh, but there's a woman that's very drunk and like can't walk. And my roommate's kind of, she's kind of friends with her. And she's like, she can't walk. But she, you know, but she's not staying with us. She doesn't live with us. She lives in Harlem.

So we're like, what are we going to do? Walk her to the train? But it's clear this person cannot. We can't just throw her in a cab because she's getting sick and blah, blah, blah. And like, so anyways, we'll take her. She can stay on our couch in Brooklyn. So then we're carrying this person. And like, you don't know this person.

I don't know. My roommate does. Okay. So we're helping her. We're on the train. She's throwing up on the train. She's throwing up on the train. She throws up into my room, my roommate roommate's bag which has like a brand new package

of contacts throwing up all over everything so we have to keep getting off the train because she's throwing up and people are around us people are getting mad it's a busy weekend night then we realize this person has pooped themselves on the train they have pooped themselves and they're throwing up and we're still helping them home. Anyways, we finally get to Brooklyn. Like coming out the pants? It wasn't a lot, but it was a little and you could smell it. You could smell it.

You could smell two smells happening, barf and poop. Okay. So we get off the train in Brooklyn. It's a long, it's one of those terrible nightmare situations where you get to walk 13 minutes. So we're trying to help this woman. She's a little, it's one of those terrible nightmare situations where you get to walk 13 minutes. So we're trying to help this woman. She's a little more sober now, so she's talking again.

And she's not wanting help. She's pushing us off. She's being like, get off. And we're like, come on. We helped you all the way here. So then she stops us and she goes, you guys think this is rock bottom? Look at this.

Pulls out her bottom teeth to show us. She goes, I fell down the stairs and these are my fake teeth. And it was a reveal that no one needed. We weren't saying she's at rock bottom. And then in classic form, she the next day woke up and was like, that's crazy. How did we get? Like, listen, lady, I never saw her again. Never sorry.

I definitely think if I had a retainer with a little bit of teeth, I'd take it out now and then. Oh yeah. We had a guest one time on the show, wasn't it? Which guest took out their teeth? Or maybe they just talked about it in their stand-up act. I don't want to out them. If people don't know that they don't have good teeth.

So tell me, your father was a dentist. Is. Is a dentist. Was his father a dentist? No. Milkman. Milkman. Oh.

Yes. There's a lot of Jewish dentists. Is that a correct thing? That's a correct assumption. Do you know why? Was dentistry like, was it one of the fields that they'd be like, we'll let the Jews do it back then? I have no idea.

But I think it's like a well-respected profession. And Jewish moms are happy about it. But there's a lot of generations of like, I feel like I like a well-respected profession, and Jewish moms are happy about it. But there's a lot of generations of like – I feel like I know a lot. Even the few dentists I knew, their father was a dentist as well. I agree, but I don't know like a specific reason. Was he – so he was doing all your appointments from the beginning? Yeah. Was he bringing you to the office, or did he say, sit in the kitchen chair kitchen chair spit in the sink we don't need to go into the office for this no i got like my teeth cleaned

at the office yeah uh and obviously like to fix the veneers and everything that was at the office sure i mean when you fell on your teeth your father must have been like but i don't have any memories of him like removing my baby teeth to be honest so i had uh i had to get one tooth removed i think like wisdom teeth and i got laughing gas and it's it's it was at an age i must have liked it oh i mean oh i liked it i liked it but like i don't even know it was so surreal i didn't like it or dislike it yeah i didn't feel like paranoid but when i remember it what i remember this because this before i got drunk before i got high this is my first yeah substance my substance experience and i wrote all i remember is i felt like i was

spinning inside of myself like i like i was like and i was spinning as if my eyes could go behind but i wasn't seeing the whole world i saw like inside of my soul yeah and and i my mom apparently i said to my mom when are they gonna take out the teeth and she was like they took it out two hours ago that's how fucked up i was that's not laughing gas that That's more. Because laughing gas, as soon as you stop, it's over. Really? Yeah. What did he get? Oh my god, they lied to me? You probably got

sedatives. If it was two hours after, 100%. Maybe I'm wrong. This was a long time ago. Maybe it was right after. But also, they combined the laughing gas with other things as well. So maybe that's what happened. You could have got both. Is laughing gas dangerous?

No. Do people get addicted to it? There was actually one guy who did. A dentist. He came to talk to us about substance abuse. He had other drugs as well. And he was addicted to it. I feel bad that... You was like addicted to it. I feel bad that there's something kind of sweet

about getting addicted to laughing gas. Because it has such a fun name. I'm sure. What's the real term for laughing gas? Nitrous oxide. That sounds a little more... Like laughing gas, you know? I'm recently addicted to laughing gas.

Oh, that's cute. There's nothing like addictive in it, but you can become addicted to anything. Yeah, the feeling. There is nothing, there's nothing. No. Oh. It's just people can become addicted to anything. Have you ever had laughing gas?

Yeah, I did. In a regular way? Like for cocktail purposes. Yeah, I had it. I actually got it when I got my veneers. I'm like a terrible patient i'm like holding on to it yeah yeah i'm really bad i think it's probably good that you're a terrible patient though because you probably have good i think i can't side manner i can like

empathize i'm like am i hurting you too like yeah so maybe that's good yeah, I hate being in the chair. I know. Are you bad with shots? No. But like people in my mouth, I hate it. Yeah. That's a fascinating attribute. But you don't mind being in people's mouths. Correct. Interesting.

How are you in the dentist chair? I do struggle with the, you know, they touch whatever. I don't like it when it's just like you. There's a certain point where I'm like, I gotta close my mouth. Like, I don't like having it open for that long. Tell them you need to close. No, no, I know. But I'm a people pleaser too, so I'm like, I was like, I don't want to

like, you know, get them. They're just doing their job, you know. If laughing gas is not, why aren't people doing it more casually? Why aren't people doing it more casually? Why aren't they doing it at parties? Is it illegal? Well, it kind of is

It's not legal to do at parties What does it do to you? It's kind of like Whippets That's the street drug Oh Okay You ever do Whippets? No, no

See, I feel like Whippets scares me Me too So much of my fear of drugs is just because When I was 10, they said, don't do this. And I said, okay. It really worked on me. Yeah. I know the drug programs don't work on me. Yeah, but now fentanyl's in everything.

So you're like, it works for me now too. Not in laughing gas. No, that's true. But yeah, like that movie, there's like a movie called 13. I like watched it and it scared the crap out of me. That movie is so scary. My dad, we rented that movie. There's like a movie called 13. I like watched it and it scared the crap out of me. That movie is so scary. My dad, we rented that movie as a family because I don't know.

I think my dad thought this doesn't reflect well. I watched with my family too. My dad thought it was like, they were trying to, I think they're trying to scare me. No, I think, I think my dad thought it was,

again, this doesn't reflect all my dad and you know, I don't like to bad mouth him on this podcast. Uh, he thought it was like again, this doesn't reflect all my dad, and you know I don't like to badmouth him on this podcast. He thought it was like an American pie type thing. Yeah. So it was, and then we watched it, and it was like the most intense, scary drug movie in the entire world. Okay, so this dentist, tell me about this dentist Who was addicted to laughing gas No I think he just had like

He had multiple addictions And he would go To He would do Nitrous oxide laughing gas Like after hours But you know There's that Seinfeld episode

Brian Cranston played The dentist in Seinfeld And he just casually takes hits Yeah There's Little Shop of Horrors, the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors. And you're not portrayed well in the media at all. Yeah.

No, I don't know anyone personally that's done it. And if you do that, you get your license taken away. That's good. Yeah. And actually, I don't even have a laughing gas in my office because I'm just an orthodontist. Sure. So we don't really need it.

Be suspicious before the braces and say, you want some laughing gas with this? You go, oh. Now, your father, is he an orthodontist or is he a... He's general, like a cosmetic general dentist. So he doesn't do root canals? He can do root canals, but... That's not what you want a doctor to say.

I can do root canals, but... That's not what you want a doctor to say. I can do it. No, he did it, but it's he refers it mostly to like he's an endodontist come and they do it. Or she does it for him. Jesus Christ with the terms. It really is overwhelming. There's like crazy, yeah, there's endodontist, periodontist, prostodontist, pedodontist. Wow.

Yeah. Pedodontist, that's kids. For kids. Kids. Unfortunately, I know that because of the word pedophile. Yes. Pedodontist. Yeah. It's thrown ped.

But people don't say like, oh, I'm going to go see my kid's pedodontist. They just say like my kid's pediatric dentist, I think. I think they say the dentist. The teeth guy. The dentist. The kid's dentist. Yeah. Okay.

So, okay. The kid's dentist. Okay. So people mainly come to you when it's time for them to get their braces? Yeah, braces and business line expanders. And with braces, I saw, are they going on the inside more, on the inside part? It's definitely becoming more popular, especially I like in new york sure sure i mean i consider there's little fixes i want to make i don't mean to make this into an appointment but but like i think like i've did you ever when your fantasy when you're rich sometimes you see

with i think it's very funny with comedians but with all actors but now that i'm closer to it i feel like you see the point where people have hit the next level of their career because suddenly their teeth look fucking they're great yeah when pete davidson's teeth suddenly look like the teeth from the mask yeah you said wow he has reached a new level of stardom yes Yes. I agree. I agree. So if you get, if, you know, things go well, what are you going to do? Do you have any fantasies? I have fantasies about my teeth. See, I wouldn't, I think I wouldn't know. I would just get, you know, I'd talk to someone and have them tell me what to do.

You know? Sure. You're not like, oh, I want to like make this tooth whiter. No, I mean, I would make them whiter, sure. But not too white, because I get it. When I see it, I'm like, if it's too white, it doesn't look real. So whiter, but not crazy white. And then I guess whatever else they recommend.

Could you, all right, if Russell and I are willing to smile for you. No, I'm not doing that. Could you tell us? I'm not doing that. Could you tell us? I'm not doing that. It stresses me out. Could you, what's it called? Rough ball? Rough, where you guess, you estimate.

Rough, you ballpark. Could you ballpark? You rough ball. Could you rough ballpark how much money we'd have to spend to look attractive? You can do a jump mark, but I'm not doing that. Okay. So just like rough ball, how much money we'd have to spend to look attractive? You can do a John Markle. I'm not doing that. Okay. So just like roughball, how much money?

If I want to look movie star. I honestly think you have a great smile. I don't know if you're like fishing for like compliments. No, I'm not. You'd be like, I'd pay just to take a look. No, I have a little bit of an overbite. I got a little thing here. How much money?

Just, I want you to, like, how much money are we talking? I can give you, like, a range of orthodontics. How's that? Yeah. I'd say, like, the range is between, like, 3,000 to, like, 11,000. If it's, like, obviously you're not on that. So what would you say? How much?

I can't tell from, like, this far. But that's, like, the range. You can take a guess. Let's say five. Five. That's what I was going to say. All right. I'm not opening my mouth.

I'm not opening my mouth. I'm not playing this game. We were talking like we were playing a real podcast. But a lot to answer your question, too. Like, honestly, you have a nice smile. A lot of the issues, like, I have to look with, with like an x-ray and a scanner and at the back teeth. So it's hard to, you know, just look at like, we're like six feet apart. Yeah.

So there's like a minutiae. Yeah. That we get into. Now, has he worked on your teeth? He tried. You tried? I tried. Can we, would you mind? Do you want to talk for a teeth? He tried. You tried? I tried. Would you mind?

Do you want to talk for a second? Come on. You're fun. Here you go. Take this for a second. We'll share. So, okay. Has he ever worked on your teeth?

He did. He tried. Now, what do you mean he tried? He didn't? It didn't work, and I'm not a good... She's not a good patient. No, I'm not. You're not a good patient.

How so? I'm not. She didn't want to wear'm not a good... She's not a good patient. No, I'm not. You're not a good patient. How so? I'm not. She didn't want to wear the aligners. Yeah. She makes her own rules. So we did Invisalign first and then he did braces. The braces only lasted for two months. On the outside or the inside?

On the outside. On the outside. Only on the bottom. This is after he had proposed, like... Yes. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like... So you're like, well, it's locked in.

I guess I can do braces now. And what'd you say? You said after two months, you said, I can't do this. Yes. No, she made up an excuse. She's like, oh, I have like this one thing I need to do. Like, I'll put them on after. I said, you promise?

She's like, yeah. I took them off for that. I actually, I took all the front ones off. I left the four back. Yeah, I was like, no, I'm not coming back. That's amazing. When you really live with the orthodontist, you can really be like, hey, I want to take them off for the night. And then we'll put them back on tomorrow.

And you're like, that's a whole fucking procedure. Okay, fine. Yeah, it was. But she begged me. I was like, all right, we'll just do it for that. And I left the back ones on thinking like, all right, I got her still. Like, there's still brackets on. We can still do this.

But your teeth are, of all the smiles in the room, you probably have the best smile, I would say. I don't. Yeah, she has a great smile. That's the first thing I said to her when I met her.

But I have a deep bite. Is that opposite of an overbite? It's the same thing. Same thing. Sure. Well, now that you do that. Yeah. No, it's not the same thing. Deep bite and overbite, It's the same thing. Same thing. Sure. Well, now that you do that. Yeah.

It's not the same thing. Deep bite and overbite? Pretty much the same. Really? But we don't have the same smile. No, like a deep bite is a description

of a type of overbite. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Everyone has overbite. But have your teeth gotten better

since you met him at all? No. Or do you look the same? Not at all. Oh my God. Probably worse. All right. Well, good, good. They, my God. Probably worse. All right. Well, good.

They got it. They got it. She actually, she has like a gummy smile and she wanted to fix that. But to fix that is actually a little more complicated. You need to do like surgery or put screws in. A gummy smile. Like just, you mean a lot of gums? Like smile for me.

Yeah. I'm certainly not going to be the one to be like, whoa, a lot of gums in there. I don't mind it. She was the one who asked. Yeah. Sure. Perfection. Do you ever date someone with bad teeth and you had to really hold back being like, I could fix this?

Never. Never? You only dated people with good teeth? I think so. When you see bad teeth, you you must be like this is my specialty yeah I mean look let's let me say this

if their like breath smelled bad and like there's a lot of bad things going on I just I don't think it would have worked for me sure yeah but like maybe if they had like a little like crooked teeth or whatever I'd be like oh that's cute like we can fix it later we can fix it later.

We can fix it later. We can fix it in post. There's things that people are born with and they can't fix. And then there's other things that people just don't take care of their teeth. And that's it. But if you want to fix the gums, what kind of procedure? You said it in a voice. Yeah.

If you think about it, if you have a gummy smile, you want to like move the teeth up, you can either do that with surgery where you literally make a cut in the upper jaw and then move it up. Oh my God. Or you can do it, you put like screws or something

and have the screws help like gently move the teeth up. There's that much room to spare that the teeth can just be moved up? Yeah, there's a lot of bone. Or the third thing is you can actually do Botox sometimes. So when you smile, it's like less mobility of the upper lip. Jesus Christ. Or you can make the teeth. A lot of people have gummy smile because

They have like excess Gum tissue so you can get rid of the gum tissue You do like a procedure to Take away bone and gum tissue So everyone's different Oh my god Sorry if I went into too many details No no no no

I'm weak any sort of medical thing I'm close to fainting Like when I hear about removing or something about it is very... But you've never needed a big procedure. Me? The biggest was probably the wisdom teeth. Yeah. And why do we have wisdom teeth? Why do they happen? That's a great question.

I think before, when we were like cavemen, we had bigger jaws and there were more teeth. We needed them. Can I say the one thing I've never understood about evolution now at this point? Like now, in theory, if wisdom teeth are useless towards survival at this point in our stage. If anything, it actually makes you less survivable. Because until recently in the human age, could we easily take out wisdom teeth before they would cause infection? They can kill you, honestly. They can kill you?

Yeah. Okay. But so here's my thing is that so if we didn't have modern medicine and wisdom teeth did sometimes kill you, it naturally would evolve out of the species. We'd stop having wisdom teeth. But now we have the medical procedures that most people live even if they have shitty wisdom teeth. Correct. So wouldn't that mean that we'll never evolve out of having wisdom teeth because we now, it no longer affects your survivability. Like haven't we, haven't we, it's not, I'm more just like, aren't there like certain, isn't the fact that we are so intelligent as a species to be able to like deal with it mean that we'll no longer, these useless things will never go away?

I mean, some people don't have wisdom teeth. So they're more evolutionarily advanced. Sure. But you're right. And I think to answer your question that the wisdom teeth dilemma with the jaws not being wide enough is like very small in human history compared to yeah compared to you know why do we why don't what happens with other animals with teeth do dogs get cavities uh some dogs have very bad teeth and they have to be it's very hard to clean a dog's teeth and they have to be like put under like general anesthesia just to clean their teeth i think that's a way to get people to floss more to be like if you don't floss once a day

we're going to put you down yeah uh but with dogs i mean most aren't brushing no they're not most dogs naturally clean their teeth with bones and whatnot. Just the chewing of the bones automatically cleans their teeth? Correct. But a lot of dogs don't eat bones or hard food, and that's when they get this buildup, like huge, gross buildup. But human beings... Okay, what about gorillas?

They have teeth, right? Yeah. What happens when they get cavities I'm just curious how other animals why do we have to do so much and the other animals are doing nothing at all

it's cause like if you think about it humans before modern diet we were like eating from the bone we were doing all these other things that naturally we didn't have sugar

so all these yeah think of the kinds of foods that animals are eating compared to what we're eating. All these unnatural foods that we've created in recent history are causing cavities. If you ate a primitive diet,

like a gorilla, sure. Could you in theory... You know how there's people out there who never shower, who like never shower and somehow their body adjusts. So they no longer produce the things that really, really smell. That's not true. It is true.

No, it is true. Theoretically. Yes. Theoretically, if you're not eating sugars and other cavity causing foods, then if you're eating plants and just bananas in reason,

because there's sugar in bananas, you would never have to do any of this shit. And bones. Just constantly chewing on bones. Gorillas don't chew on bones, do they? But they eat it off. They eat stalks. They eat full corn cob things.

Has anyone in the history of the world tried to give their dog braces they actually do it for research purposes which is kind of that ethically questionable but questionable i think that's i think it's pretty clear line why dogs are the first animal they try it with there's like a whole system and i don't know how it's called the irb and i don't know how it's approved or not approved but i know some people do experiments on dogs is are there any other animals they put braces on or dogs are like the number one go-to they they used to do experiments on monkeys i don't think so anymore they moved on to dogs

that feels like if there's one thing people don't... Do they at least give the dogs fun colors? I don't know the details of these dog experiments, but they're out there. Now, you put braces on these kids and you might tell them to

put the rubber bands on. That was always rough. The rubber bands, that's a rough... It's rough seeing them. Not alone having them, but put the rubber bands on, that was always rough. The rubber bands, that's a rough. The rubber bands aren't rough. That's a rough look. It's rough seeing them. The rubbers. Not let alone having them, but I remember anytime I saw the rubber bands, I was like,

oh, God, I don't want to have that existence. I just see you as a grown man, like seeing an eight-year-old girl with rubber bands. You're like, ugh, God. Gross. It's a no. But they're still a thing. Of course.

And even with like Invisalign, even with the lingual braces, still a thing. Is your job frustrating knowing that whether it's with a retainer or whether it's with the rubber bands, most people are not going to do what they should do. And then they come in and they lie to your face. How many people every day lie to your face and say, I put in the retainer every night, and you're like, I can see that you do not. For me, the kids are actually being more honest. Yeah.

I really think that. Is it because on Instagram they're like, I need this smile to look good? I don't know. But they're like, honestly, I forgot to wear them. They say that to me. And if they don't, I can tell. And I'm like,

are you sure? Because it doesn't fit. And like, yeah, I didn't really wear it. You never even wore a retainer? No. Smile for me real quick.

Stop making me smile. I'm going to have to get them in the office and then I'll like relay you. All right, there we go. We got a good look. Because I had a retainer. I mean, I think about get him in the office, and then I'll, like, relay you. All right, there we go. We got a good look. Because I had a retainer. I mean, I think about Invisalign sometimes, but I just put it on at night,

and I would always wake up, and it would be on my nightstand. I took it off in the middle of my sleep. Yeah, I didn't have my first cavity until college. Was it a serious cavity? No, I didn't have to do, like, a filling until, like, probably, like, 22. I've had, like, the little external cavities. Thank God. My dad's teeth are filled with silver.

How many cavities do you have? Oh, yeah, the silver. How the silver that they used to do. Amalgam. Yeah. Yeah. You've had zero cavities. Zero.

If you got one, would your dad hit you? Like was he? My siblings have and they they didn't get hit so but was like was your dad like was he like do you think you had a stricter teeth regimen because your dad knew was your dad saying more often like did you floss today did you brush honestly i don't think so i know one would think but no because i brushed all right can i be honest with you let's see this is a safe space i only brush i mean sometimes i brushed actually before this because i because i was like let's get the teeth let's i mean i guess maybe i did it subconsciously because i knew maybe that's what it was yeah maybe i was subconsciously like always taking care of my teeth because of my dad. There you go. That makes sense. I generally brush only before bed.

Well, that's just unfortunate for Russell and everyone. And I floss and I think I maintain my breath gum. Gum. I'm a gum guy you only your wife said you only brush

before you want sex no I brush every morning I brush every morning you brush every morning and then she can tell

if I brush my teeth that that's oh he you know but I've been brushing more because I've been brushing before the shows. Really?

Yeah. So I do eight shows a week now, so it's added a new whole, like, thing. Well, Tuesday, I don't do it before both shows. Sure. But I've been brushing. It's just a nice little, oh, I'll do it before I go on stage, you know?

That's interesting. Yeah. But normally, not at night. You just go to sleep? No, I'm reliably, I try to do it, but I always do it in the morning. But I sometimes fall off at night. And you're doing both. Both.

And guess which one's more important? What? Nighttime. Night. Yes, I knew it. I knew it. Okay, okay. It changes my whole thing.

Now tell me why. Because you go to sleep and then it's just like sitting on there and all the bacteria. I'll change. I'll change. Or you can do both.

No. Oh, no. Yeah, you're right. No, I'm not going to take away the morning one. Every night now, Nicole's like, Russell, not tonight.

You're like, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'm just taking care of my mouth now. All right. What about flossing? Be honest.

Because here's the thing with your industry. We don't trust it. I know. Why is that? Because there was some article I read once. Listen, I floss a lot because I get things stuck in my teeth. I have like the most annoying like slight gaps. So I floss now because of that.

But there was an article that came out and I'm sure it caused, it was a disaster for your whole community that said you don't really need to floss every day. Who was it written by? Like an eight-year-old child? They take these papers, like these scientific papers

and then just like come up with like crazy conclusions that the paper never even said. Sure. But that's why we're skeptical. Yeah. And now I actually, how often do you floss? Honestly, probably two to three times a week. Like just when I want anal.

Jesus Christ. Or when you have to give it. How many times do you have to floss a day? Tell the truth. Yeah. I mean, I floss every day. I actually have like once a day at night. Yeah.

I have a bar behind my teeth, like a permanent retainer. And it like it gathers a lot of plaque and calculus. So if I don't floss i feel gross and then so that's like it's easier for me to tell when i have food stuck but i would say everyone should floss every day i think there are some people that have depending on their diet shape of their teeth the spacing they the flossing they're not going to notice as much that it helps because... Yeah. But some people, like, once you...

Just both of you floss for, like, a week straight or get a cleaning first so your teeth are straight. Sure. And then you'll notice, like, that nice, shiny, smooth feeling will go away if you don't floss, like, one night. And then that'll just, like, you just get in that habit. Okay. I'm going to do it. Try it. So I'm scared to go back to my dentist because

I I This is I accidentally took the restroom key for the men's bathroom. Forever? Like I didn't know that I had taken it.

Do you know where it is? They changed. I didn't get it back in time. They changed locations. I think they had to get a new key. I had to get a new key because basically what happened was I

was on the road for like three weeks so i got a call and they said is i got a call and they said did you take no they didn't restroom key is they didn't accuse me they said is there any chance yeah you might have taken the rescue and i'm sure that they got it on their camera no i didn't lie i said i i think i called tova and tova was like yeah there's a restroom key here. And I was gone for three weeks. What do you mean you called Tova? You didn't remember that you left a restroom key?

Wasn't it have like a handle on it? Not a big enough one. And they changed the locks for you? No, I'm not sure they changed the locks. I think they probably just made a new key. But I feel like this person who's going to be needling around and, you know, could go hard or could go soft is uh is like this is the guy who made us on your record for sure definitely a note in the

chart yeah this guy will still give him the bathroom key every time you get a bathroom key with like a ridiculous i remember chipotle'd like be attached to a chip a chip a bowl yeah and you're like this is absurd but you're nope, they needed to do this because of people. And your dentist didn't have that, obviously. Yeah. We have ours

attached to something too. How big? What kind of thing? One was like attached to a retainer. Another one's attached to like a plastic sheet that we use to make a retainer.

See, that's smart. You got to do it big enough so they can't put it in their pockets. So, all right. Now talk to me about some,

since it's the downside, tell tell me some tell me some tell me some what kind of what kind of breath you don't will like experience you ever have like someone come in you're like oh I mean definitely definitely and I can and I have a mask on to I can still smell it through the mask. Do you ever want to be the person that says, hey, just so you know, have you noticed you don't have a lot of friends? Have you noticed dates seem to end after 15 seconds? Because you could save them. You had a story of someone.

Which story is this? There was a person you went on a date with, bad breath. Do you remember this story? Do you remember this card? What did I say to them? I can't get into it. I'm not going to say their name. I'm trying to...

Oh, yeah. There was someone I dated with bad breath. For how long? Like one date? It was a couple dates. I was going through a rough spell. I couldn't be picky. I couldn't just be turning down someone with bad breath.

But it is... I am not the kind of person who's able to say... It's a horrible trait. It's a trait we share. And it's bad. Yeah. Very bad. Where I can't say to the person, hey, Douglas, our friend Douglas,

who is a co-host sometimes, he goes, hey, your breath's a little something going on. It changed their whole life. Remember that? He told someone and they had a different life after. I had a roommate, I guess I told you, I had a roommate. I guess I wasn't putting on enough deodorant in college freshman year.

And you know what this guy did? He Febreze my clothes. But he couldn't tell me. This could be a Larry David episode. Absolutely. And Larry David, that's why people like Larry David. Because he's the guy who goes, ah! What is it?

Your breath! Yeah. But I think that's your job. I mean, I definitely tell people like that you could brush a little, like let's work on your brushing technique or your flossing. But you say it because of the teeth. You never say, you might say like there's a little bit of plaque here. You're not allowed to say because you should be allowed to say as a doctor, there's a little bit of coming out of your mouth. I'm not going to say to them like, oh, have you noticed all these

girls are like... But there should be a medical thing. There should be like a breathalyzer where you're like, oh, just so you know, on the right they have that. P.U. You're at a P.U. level of nine. No, they have it. They have it. What is it? Tell me. It's like a breathalyzer type thing. For bad breath?

Yeah. How does it do it? It's called halitosis. Bad breath. Halitosis. But what's this device called? I don't know, but I can get it to you after the show. I don't have one, but yeah. I like that.

Because then what I would do, the way I would deal with it, I'd be out on a date with this person. And I'd be like, okay, one second. And of course they go, what the fuck is that? And you go, oh, it's a halitosis. Let's you know if your breath smells a little.

And then they blow on it and start beep, beep, beep, beep. I like the P-U. P-U. Is that the P-H? The P-U scale. You got to do this and let me know how it goes.

Let me tell you something. I think this is, this could be huge. Wow. I think this is the way to get to, for people to let people know how it goes. Let me tell you something. I think this could be huge. Wow. I think this is the way to get... For people to let people know they have bad breath without saying it. How big is this device? It's like...

It's a little breathalyzer. What if the cops gave you that instead? They pull you over. And they said, you're sober, but... But your breath... Your breath belongs behind bars. Yeah, wow. That could be a fun like prank

video this lean into this product yeah uh uh can i ask you as a as a because you you you sometimes promote stuff on on your instagram what's what's the medical rules of of promoting like is there like a code of ethics with doctors like it's got to be dicey definitely these companies come to you and they say hey doctor do a promoted post for blah blah blah what what are the rules what are your is there a universal code of ethics is it everyone because i feel like dentistry i feel like they're always pushing products yeah i mean i honestly try to be as impartial as possible um there are certain products that i don't think we should be promoting like what we can promote anything obviously but you just have to disclose it that's it you have to disclose it like to the patient when you're promoting it yeah like my

dentist they told me to get an electronic toothbrush, but they didn't say just any. They said, here's a coupon for a crest something, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I'm like, so you're paid. How do I know I'm getting the best toothbrush? Sometimes the reps just give us coupons so that maybe they're being nice. I don't think most dentists, the way they would make money from a toothbrush is they would actually buy it at a wholesale price from the company. Then they would sell it to you. But if they give you a coupon, they're not making any money from it.

I always like those little treat bags you got from dentists. Yeah. They usually gave you a real shit toothbrush sometimes. It's like a real cheap. But it was cute. The floss. Do you have any like treats or toys for the kids? Of course.

What are you hawking these days? Oh, my colleagues, they just came up with this thing called the pouch. It's to hold your, like, aligners, and it's an attachment to your phone because everyone loses their aligners, retainers by putting napkins, and this one you just put in. It's on your phone case. It's cool. It's called pouch p-o-u-t-c-h wow yeah i uh i don't know if i'd want my retainer on my phone it's not in your it's like while you're eating instead of you putting a napkin i see you put it in there i see because you're supposed to be wearing it 24 7 yeah i got

it okay okay that's one what else we always like i want to make like it 24-7. Yeah. I got it. Okay, okay. That's one. What else? I want to make like a see-through one for your phone so you just get to see your gnarly retainers all day. It's not for your retainers. It's more so for the liners. What's in a liner? Is that like Invisalign?

Like Invisalign. Invisalign is just like the name. How long do I have to wear Invisalign? Forever? It depends. But you have to wear retainers forever. Oh my god. Because I think Invisalign is the thing I want to get you.

The thing I want to get myself. I want Invisalign. Maybe, yeah. Maybe I'll go to you. I'd be honored. Especially like Russell's mouth, who's not even showing it. Is your... with more doctors becoming social media people, you're active on social media to a degree. And like more doctors are.

Do you think it's helped the business? In all honesty, I wish, like I didn't have to do any marketing yeah like back in the old days actually dentists couldn't even put their name in like they couldn't even write their name on like a at the office it had to be like a little plaque wait what do you mean this is like the the rule back in the day yeah or like the yellow pages i think you could just write your name you couldn't like take out an ad and put a picture so i kind of i kind of like that when did it change i think they just like got relaxed on the laws because that and then all it takes is one person to promote this person business and then it's a it's a i i don't know the exact history so are you saying that you would like if what's

the organization that makes the rules like for me i love dentistry and doing orthodontics like some of these videos are fun to make but it's not like i want to be like marketing and doing all that i'd much rather just like do dentistry all day so if they came to you what is this what's the dental organization called is there a governing body we kind of i guess like the american dental association if they came up with a rule and they said no more marketing no more marketing no more tiktoks yeah you'd be like done or you wouldn't fight it i wouldn't fight it honestly that's interesting you've noticed a big uptick though in oh my goodness we we all have to do it like it's if you don't have, like, a Google page or whatnot, like...

Do you see any, like, 80-year-olds being... And they're making TikToks, and it's, like, really bad. And they're like, this poor mother... I mean, I'm not a good dancer, but... Sure. But it's the same with stand-up comedy, where there's some older comics that, like, they are just not made for TikTok.

And they post, and it's sad in a very deep way yeah it's i think if you do it right anything's possible sure um but they need help they just need to hire somebody i think we have all these weird there was some viral thing it was like a it was like a used car salesman thing and they hired like a kid and it went viral on tiktok like crazy viral yeah and it's it's like it doesn't make sense people are probably coming to this dealership just to see it right and it's just like none nothing makes sense about the way things go viral on tiktok and so i'm sure you just get a lot of tell me you got any any nightmare patient stories what's what's like a real tough patient that came in that maybe you turned away or they wanted

something weird or they had something in their mouth? I will say one story I can think of is the patient had their wisdom teeth taken out. And then after that, he started having bite issues. And he was convinced that since the wisdom teeth were taken out, that they cause his bite issues and he was convinced that since the wisdom teeth were taken out that they cause his bite issues even though the wisdom teeth uh not to get too into it but they were impacted so they weren't even in like they were he wasn't even biting on them they were underneath the bone sure but he felt after they were taken out his bite changed and so he wanted to grow them back grow them, like with stem cells. We're not quite there yet, but he's convinced that in his lifetime we'll be able to grow them back

and he still wants to grow them back. So he's coming in for appointments and he's like, I saw this article online about stem cells. And you have to be the one. He's like, I saw this movie Jurassic Park. But like one day we will be able to grow back stem cells, like we're just

like not there sure but we actually did some other things and his bite is better now but he still wants to he still wants the wisdom teeth back and and you've explained to him probably not in his lifetime who knows like technology is crazy advancing i actually did a little research on stem cells and teeth back in orthodontic residency just like to replicate the cell itself not the whole tooth uh-huh so maybe in 20 30 years not crazy sure uh uh do you have any do you have any things where you're like maybe in the next especially with ai we don't know what's going to happen with all the AI stuff like what do you think something that could happen in the future

of your business like where do you think it's going do you think there's going to be any huge technological upgrades other than stem cells growing back teeth I guess that's pretty big robots are now like placing implants and what not it feels like you could I could imagine a world

where the AI is doing like the cleanings, like the, you know what I mean? Okay, you want a robot who doesn't react to, ah, ah, ah, ah. No, they would have to react.

That would be part of the technology. Here's the thing. They always say this, and then you go, you go, we can't get into robots, you and I.

But I'm saying like, they always say like oh this technology is going to make it so much better and oh they're going to fix your teeth and then I go to CVS

and the self-checkout machine the guys come over six times to fix it and I go like 100% I no I agree I agree you're still going to have

to have someone there to like yeah like the richest people are going to get some version of it the richest yeah and it's never going to just trick version of it. The richest. Yeah.

And it's never going to trickle down. Yeah. That's my fear with all these technological upgrades. But there's a lot, like even now in AI, we actually have like a monitoring system. So people scan their mouth with their iPhone. And then the scan uses AI technology to tell like how the tray is fitting. If your teeth are like moving well. All these things did you ever have you ever

fucked up anything what do you mean like like you put it in wrong someone comes back their teeth fell out no not like that you dentist you get sued by people of course I haven't

gone sued you've never really not yet i mean you must be protected in some way or there's some kind of insurance yeah i i buy malpractice insurance is expensive uh yes well it depends i think mine's like six thousand a year but i think like anesthesiologist is about like $200,000 or $100,000 a year. Or OBGYN is like $250,000. Because I'll look up dentists or doctors within my insurance and it's, you know, this is ensuing, but it's reviews. And a lot of doctors will have like three reviews. And if there's one one-star review, you're like, I'm not going to go there.

Do you ever look at your reviews? Of course. They're very important. Yeah? Yeah. Any bad ones? Any bad ones? I just got my first bad review.

But it's not like, it wasn't about me. Who was it about? It just said, oh, the office doesn't take insurance, which we don't and we charge x amount to take an x-ray but there's nothing well that's just that's just the facts it's just the facts yeah so are you googling every day to see if someone says like no not every day usually actually i don't have someone in the office has access to it and i think

they get an email notification. Oh, God, that's so stressful. That's okay. Oh, my God. We get reviews on this podcast. Really? We posted a clip today that is getting some hate online. Really?

Yeah, it's the one about polyamory. Oh, from poly people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't us saying it. It was not us saying it. But we'll get the reviews. We'll get the reviews. Okay, all right. Let's go on to our next segment. This has got the reviews. We'll get the reviews. Okay.

All right. Let's go on to our next segment. This has got to stop. This has got to stop. I got one today. Do you got one today? I think so. Okay.

Mine's quick, though. This has got to stop. I'm having dreams all week long, and it's keeping me. I wake up tired from dreaming. Do you know what I mean? I'm not great at remembering. I remember I had one this week I kind of remembered where it was the show I'm in, we got extended,

but then they tricked us and they were like, actually, it's closing tonight. And then people were singing goodbye songs. But it's, okay, so I don't really remember the dreams, but I know that i'm dreaming and i'm waking up so like drained i feel like from the dreams like i'm like things are happening it's that same dream is it i mean no no they're all different oh they're all different but it's more of like when i wake up i feel like i've lived a lot of lives during the night. Yeah. I've like been through like,

you know, like lifetimes. So I'm, I'm just, this has got to stop me having dreams this week. I just want to be blank and then wake up feeling refreshed. Sure. That's that.

Anyways, but I know my sleep schedule has been all over the place. That's why probably I'm just not as regular. I'm curious to know how much you sleep. You get up early and you go to bed late. No, I've been, I, well. I'm just not as regular. I'm curious to know how much you sleep. I've got to get back on. Because you get up early and you go to bed late. No, I've been, well, I wasn't great yesterday,

but I've been. What's your average sleep? Probably, try to be seven. Yeah. I'm trying to get seven. I'm giving more to six. And sometimes when I'm really dipping,

I'm doing like five and a half and I'm like, this is bad. No, it's bad. Five and a half. It's bad when it dips down under five. It's bad.

Speaking of which, this is not my This, it's bad. It's bad when it dips down under five. It's bad. Speaking of which, this is not my This Gotta Stop, but there was a guest. This is when I texted you. You said what? Yeah, I didn't understand. So I had a guest. I did a show

and a fan of the podcast came up and gave me a little bag and had an edible in it, a chocolate with no marking. And I said, I had mentioned, I said I was really paranoid because you would have popped it on stage. Yeah.

So I had like a nibble before going to bed. And to a degree, I was like, you're not going to get anything. And then she commented on my YouTube today because I couldn't even find her online. I was going to ask her. Yeah. And then she commented on the YouTube today. Oh, my bad. That was a hundred milligram chocolate.

Yeah, that's awesome. And it was this big. Yeah, that's crazy. If I had taken that chocolate, a hundred milligrams, I'd do five for like a fun night. Ten, if I'm like, we're going to go for it tonight, a hundred, I would have been crying. I don't even know what. If I was alone in a hotel room with a hundred. Yeah, that's crazy.

That's got to stop. This has got to stop. You've got to tell people how much you're giving them. Okay, this is my real, this has got to stop. Car doors or especially car trunks. Trunks, right? Trunks. What's the thing where it's a full door?

Is that a trunk too? A hatch or like a. I understand that some are electronic and some are not. Yeah. It's not clear. It's not clear a lot of the time. And we're living in a world where it's both and it's hard to know the thing. I have a feeling. And sometimes they yell at you, the drivers.

Exactly. I have a feeling. and sometimes they yell at you the driver exactly i have a feeling and if this feeling is wrong then this is on the car maker that if it's an electronic system and it does that thing where you try to slam it and it goes and then it goes back i would imagine that they've constructed it that that car can fully take the strength of me going like this but they always react like oh my god yeah i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it you're gonna break it and i go like all i know is is then then the next time i open it and i wait and then the what a fool i am i have to close it my thing is that this has got to stop. Getting mad at people for not knowing or not guessing that the car has an automatic thing.

And I'm sure your car can take it. And if it can't, sue the car driver because we're living in a world with both right now. Yeah. Also, I can only imagine it's helpful for disabled people because otherwise I don't understand what the technology is for because it's slower. It doesn't speed it up. It's slower. It makes it slower.

I like it. The back one makes sense in terms of if you're loading groceries or something. Yes. And you can be like, boom, and it opens for you. I just don't feel like the closing feature is necessary, though. And the worst one, I think, is when you're in the car going out because then your reaction is i'm gonna slide open the door and they're like i got it and it's like you're like why all these

cars are fucking around i was in san diego we don't have a lot of teslas here but you go to san diego every uber was a tesla and i'm like i'm like what's the the handle is weird and the window is weird and the window goes down to open it and then I drove like it was like a Honda but it was like it was their version of a Tesla and no door handle it was a button and I'm looking at this door for 10 seconds going how do I oh I'm supposed to know that this little

button here oh my god I didn't tell you I got in this I Russell Daniels got in a yelling match with someone on the street. I've never, never. Not me. But this man, I rented a car and was renting a car.

And it was a car where I, you know, you get in the rental. No one tells you how to do it. Like some of them just are buttons now. Some of them still have the keys. You're looking at it. You're like trying to figure out what's going on you know and it was a day that was raining and so they pull up at enterprise they park on the sidewalk like and um they just give me the car get in i'm trying to get in i'm trying to even know how to turn this fucking car on

and this old man is coming by and he starts screaming at me because i'm parked on this yeah that what level of screaming give me real two of ten right away he's like he's like you're parked on the sidewalk what the fuck like what the fuck like and my window's up and so i i'm i can't even figure out how to turn the car on i roll it down i. I say to him, I say, I'm sorry. They just gave me the car. I'm trying to figure it out. And it's raining a lot. But mind you, this is the guy could walk right behind or in front of the car. Like, it's not like, you know, and he doesn't have a walker.

It's not like a, it's really like, he's still yelling. He's still, I roll the window back up. I'm like, just go around, just go around, just go around. And I'm desperately trying to figure out how to move this car. And he's still yelling. He comes around the other side, comes to the passenger side window, and is screaming at me for still being thing. And finally, I was like, I rolled the window down.

I go, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here. the window down i go i go shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here and and and i was like i was so angry and so like what are you doing like leave me alone i'm trying to figure it out but i didn't have time to explain it to him yeah but i just yelled at him it felt really good actually and did he did he go he left i fucked with the wrong guy no he he he was still mad but he left you know um i'm proud of you yeah um i mean it didn't feel good but it did feel good do you know what i mean uh-huh yeah it was like this thing of like exactly what you mean but i i just wanted him to understand sir i don't know how to drive this car right now like that's all that's happening here it happened so fast what did it end up being it was a button but then there was another

it wasn't like a shift to get into the gear it was like uh it was buttons it was so strange it was just was a different kind of car you know you just i think it's this has got to stop is that innovation is fine but like you got to make it clear or you got to understand this is new and you got to have clear instructions yeah have the button say because there's a button and a key sometimes too and you're like why do I have both of these you know I don't know so anyways

I love that I didn't tell you that story I almost called you right after I was like I wish you had called me dirty I had like all these I wish you had said

listen to this shut the fuck up get the fuck out of here do you ever this has gotta stop I love your passion thank you thank you I'd say mine is

uh teeth related but please oh yeah uh direct consumer orthodontics gotta stop oh what is that have you heard of like smile direct club yes i have heard of that yeah tell me what it is basically you're cutting out like the, they're just turning. Oh. They send you like a mold to take at home, an impression. And then you take it and then you send it back to them. And you send them like a couple crappy pictures. And they come up with like a whole treatment plan for you.

And they send you liners. And you never see a dentist. You never take any x-rays. Nothing. And where is it going wrong? Are people not doing their, like, could it work in theory? Could it ever work? Or are you saying you need someone to be there?

You need at least one visit with a dentist to, like, look at you in person, to look at your x-rays. to like look at you in person, to look at your x-rays. And then the other visits after, as I talked about, you know, the scanning, the AI, there's other visits in the end that can be done at home or whatnot. But you need to have that first visit with the dentist. Are people like having any bad stories from this stuff yet? Oh, of course, yeah. Yeah?

Oh, yeah. What happens? They put in the retainer, it shifts it the wrong way? any bad stories from this stuff yet like they're oh of course yeah yeah oh yeah what happens they put in the retainer it shifts it the wrong way yeah like uh so many things like their their bike gets messed up uh like certain teeth like they move too fast or certain teeth like they're they were like mobile to begin with yeah there's no way you could just know from a photo exactly that like how. Sure. And it's very hard to take those impressions.

Like, I have to do it at least 20 times in dental school. So doing it on yourself to get it right is crazy. You also can take out, depending on your teeth, you can take out teeth with it or if you have a bridge. There's a lot of things that can go wrong. I don't know how the company still is operating as it is, but it is. and it has to stop and our sponsor

oh my god I'm so excited to have a sponsor that's yeah yeah yeah the molds are always very tough for me because I have a deviated spectrum so it's tough to breathe out my nose so that's why I always feel like I'm going to die right then and there. Now they've created scan centers because they realize the molds aren't good,

but they still allow you to do molds. That needs to be out loud. I always think of something that would be really hard for me is when they do the prosthetic, when they do the mold of your face. Yeah. Those kind of things. It's nice they have a straw, like you're underwater. I don't like that that is very when i see people doing that i start like like i can feel my i got bad news the kind of comedy career you're gonna have i see a lot of

weird paints and masks uh wait one one last thing before we go to the blessing. I know dental records are a huge part of identifying dead people. True. Yes. Do people reach out to your office like, hey, we found this dead body. We think it could be this person. Can you send it over? Not to my knowledge, but I did have a faculty member and that was his job.

He would look at dental records. It's a real thing. Do they look at it? It's by sight? I mean, is it like a fingerprint? Is it that accurate in terms of like based on the teeth

they can tell the person? I'd say everyone has different teeth. 100%. Wow. It's like a fingerprint, exactly. But certain records are I'd say everyone has different teeth 100% wow it's like a finger exactly but certain records are but you look at the bite mark

and you look at like the x-rays and you can tell but I think like if I died if I died in an explosion like they'd have to go to my dentist well if you exploded

and it'd be the guy who took the key and they'd be like fuck yeah he's dead yeah okay final segment you better count

your blessing you better count your blessing Russell do you have a blessing yeah just a boring one well it's nice. I had such a nice time last night with you and Douglas and Joseph. It was really nice to have a nice meal with us.

We don't do that, you know. It was nice. Yeah, it was nice. I'll just tie on since I don't have a blessing. Yeah, I got to see Douglas, who just ended The Wedding Singer. Yeah. It was good. Yeah.

It was a restaurant. They were out of a lot of things. But that was a good restaurant. Good restaurant. That was a good restaurant. Good meal. It was nice. It was really nice.

What was the restaurant called? It's called Sidney's Five in the East Village. All right. I'll check it out. Yeah, it was really good. I do recommend it. It was really good. Good work.

I'll take that down. Sidney that's... Yeah, it was really good. I do recommend it. It was really good. Good work. I do... I'll take that down. Sydney's five. Sydney's five. All right. They got good martinis. My blessings? Yes, please.

Two possible blessings. Should I go, like, a funny one or, like, a serious... Yeah, go funny first. Funny first. Okay. So there's this woman

on your... You had Sam Ramsdale with the really big mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. That is a blessing to have a mouth like that when you're working on it. Like I would, that would be amazing if I could get her in the chair and like. I bet you can.

What would you, I'm sure you can. Number one. Yeah. You have a little cross, cross social media. I mean, what, what. That is a, it's a blessing when patients can open up really wide huge blessing you know what oh interesting would you just to explore you just would like no i'm saying like if she was my patient sure that would be a blessing to have as a patient but also i would

love to just see that in person like that is crazy i feel like i've seen content on her feed at the dentist at the dentist oh she already has someone no but i'm i'm sure her dentist isn't like you know like could she go to conferences it's like uh oh my guess who we have samantha ramsday she goes oh i could totally yeah i could totally be her like dental hype man yeah wow let's get this going yeah hey listen i'll i'll put you in touch with her are you guys friends or you just had her on the pod or we're you guys friends or you just had her on the pod We're friends you know I had her on the pod so I have no need to talk to her anymore

But we are No we are very friends I haven't seen her in a while She's boring No I'm sure That makes sense How was it in person I mean we didn't go

too far into it. We talked about it a lot, but I didn't go like, let me see this thing. Yeah. You never open up? I'm sure she opened it. He's like, you didn't floss her? You didn't give her a good floss? And what's your sincere blessing?

Because I got a couple extra plugs today. My second blessing is I started recently bringing my dog to the office. And she is just a blessing. The patients connect with her. She calms them down. I love her so much. That's nice. Yeah, you know what?

I like dogs. There's certain places you like dogs, certain places you don't. I have a lot of dogs coming to like CrossFit gyms. Not a fan. Not a fan. Dentist, I like that. Oh, thank you. That's nice.

We got to come up with some rules. Yeah. Some rules and regulations because right now it's a little chaotic. And is there anything you want to plug? Tell people where can they find you? Oh. You can plug your own real office. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I work at two spots on Park Avenue, 553 on 62nd, and also 111 Broadway. You can also message our Instagram account. I think it's WallStreetOrthodontics, or my personal one. Shaps, Wade, and thank you guys for having me. This has been super fun. I had no idea what to expect. I just saw that Sam was on here and Joanna Hasman, who I love who i love as well i was like all right like this could be fun good and i had a

great time i'm really glad uh speaking of past guests we have to plug uh uh we get to plug two past guests um who have some stuff going on lane quitteris who we had on she talked about being a working in the foot fetish industry. Foot fetish industry. Findom. Findom. Findom. She has a show coming up,

a one woman show called Sex Job. And the show dates April 2nd, 7.30 PM at the Magnet Theater, April 29th, 7 PM at Brooklyn Comedy Collective. Listen to that episode if you haven't. Yes, it's a great episode. It's a very interesting, fascinating episode.

And we'll have a link in the description for that show. And then Zach Zimmerman, my good buddy, stand-up comedian Zach Zimmerman, he's got his book coming out. Is it hot in here or am I suffering for all eternity for the sins I committed on Earth? Publication date April 18th. Available everywhere except for Target. So again, we're going to have a link to that. Check it out. Russell, what do you want to plug?

Come see Titanic, the musical, off-Broadway at the Daryl Roth Theater. I would tell my mom. She's a huge Broadway person. Off-Broadway, off-off-Broadway. Yeah, this is off-Broadway. Not off-off? Not off-off.

It's off. Congrats. It's good. Congrats. Yeah, thank you. And my wife. I'd like to plug my wife for coming and supporting me. She's the best. Yeah, hell yeah. Yes. Congrats. It's good. Congrats. Yeah, thank you. And my wife. I'd like to plug my wife for coming and supporting me. She's the best.

Yeah, hell yeah. Okay, I wanted to say, so this is coming out March 28th. Okay, so they missed the Houston show. Thank you all for coming out to the Houston show. The three of you made it a real great time. And Russell says it was still worth it to make that trip. If you join the Patreon,

patreon.com. I keep meaning to say this. Even if you don't want to listen to extra shit and just support the show, patreon.com. $5 a month. And on April 6th, the clean album I recorded for SiriusXM, The Rats Are In Me. I'm not releasing it publicly, but it's going to be available for the Patreon.

You can listen to it or you can watch it. We edited it like a special with all the little outtakes. And it's good. It's beautiful. Shot at Sesh Comedy Club. And otherwise, I am going to be at Louisville this weekend at Planet of the Tapes. I think it's three shows. Oh, my God.

And then next week, I am at Stardome in Alabama. I think Birmingham, Alabama. Maybe not Birmingham, but Alabama, Stardome, and then St. Louis, Friday and Saturday. Check it out. Links for everything in bio. And, you know, take care of your teeth because if you die in an explosion, that's probably the only thing that's going to be left. This is The Downside. One, two, three.

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