The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi - #176 Why “Conservative” Comedy Sucks (Lady Ballers Review)

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

In this Patreon exclusive episode, Gianmarco and Russell watched The Daily Wire’s “Lady Ballers” so you don’t have to. Producer Paige, who hasn’t seen the movie, joins us as we critically analyze every nook and cranny of the comedic elements of the movie. Buckle up as we uncover the reasons why Lady Ballers fails to deliver what they called, “the most triggering movie of the decade.” Join the Patreon to watch and listen to the full episode! Plus, get early access to episodes and exclusive bonus content like this. Watch the episode clip HERE! Follow The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi on Instagram Get tickets to our live podcast recording in NYC on January 8 here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/743999631927 Follow Gianmarco Soresi on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, & YouTube Subscribe to Gianmarco Soresi's email & texting lists Check out Gianmarco Soresi's bi-monthly show in NYC Get tickets to see Gianmarco Soresi in a city near you Watch Gianmarco Soresi's special "Shelf Life" on Amazon Follow Russell Daniels on Twitter & Instagram E-mail the show at [e-mail] Produced by Paige Asachika & Gianmarco Soresi Video edited by Dave Columbo Special Thanks Tovah Silbermann Original music by Douglas Goodhart Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So I was surprised you didn't write me I thought it was a good prank I set up a Daily Wire account in Russell's name And you didn't write me anything Yeah, I didn't know You set up Wire account in Russell's name. And you didn't write me anything. Yeah. I didn't know. Set up the account in your name. I never got a thing from them.

Oh, okay. I didn't get a thing from them. All I got was you saying this is the password. I tried for too long. You just guessed your email? After LCC. Listen. They didn't send you an initiation email?

No. Oh, I thought you were going to get an email that said, Russell Daniels, congrats on joining The Daily Wire. No, no. So you had this idea that we would watch this film, and I used that term. Well, let's set it up fully. And this is why Paige has not seen it.

So The Daily Wire, as far as I know, it's a conservative schlock. Ben Shapiro co-founded it, also with the director, this guy. I hate all these people, just to be clear, just so we're starting. Just so we're starting. Just so we're starting here. This is like probably the equivalent. Of joining the KKK.

As a gag. Yeah, yeah. What would you say, like, is it the daily show for conservatives? Is it, or I think even a little hackier, like, what's the equivalent? What's the liberal equivalent

of, like, it's like Pod Save America, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it's like, it exists to ride whatever the popular conservative wave is. It rarely necessarily offers opinions counter to it.

It probably is influenced by money and the right places to endorse this candidate or talk shit about that, claims independence. Definitely more far right leaning than like Fox, but is a natural brother to Fox. Yeah, related. They're related

and and some comedians this whether you like it or not and this is why i thought it was interesting to talk about was like first of all speaking of big agencies if you look at any big agency they represent people who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum they represent the people calling the other people nazis they represent both of them so you gotta understand you gotta the regular public doesn't view the entertainment or political entertainment with the cynicism that i think they should because they're all making money off each other and uh the daily wire has has grown into what they're trying to be as a real streaming platform. Yeah. And they want to compete with the Disneys and whatnot. And that's why when they claim, like,

when they make a claim about Disney, they are making that claim because they want Disney subscribers. Yeah. It's not because they just have a problem with Disney. It's all super skewed. And the fact that, like, the average Joe Schmo doesn't know it is frustrating.

They're hoping that some Disney fans, like when they raise an issue, will be like, oh, there is a place for me. And it's so gross because if Disney shows in Buzz Lightyear two women kissing, it's a married couple, they know that they can make a big deal out of it and play off the homophobia.

And it's just for them to get money at the end of the day yeah like and i guess i guess i find that more repugnant than actually just being homophobic yeah being homophobic for money somehow i think ranks worse is where you believe it's actually bad i don't know but uh it's also become a a a home for comedians who have been quote unquote canceled. For example, Adam Carolla, who I think you could say is a comedian who kind of was washed up to a degree. He used to host The Man Show with Jimmy Kimmel, funnily enough, who now is a liberal cuck boy. And I hope I get on his show. Wow.

I know. I know. I should shut the fuck up. That's very aggressive. But I'm a liberal cuck boy and I hope I get on a show. I know, I know, I should shut the fuck up. That's very aggressive. But I'm a liberal cuck boy. I said it on Netflix. I said I'm a liberal cuck. So liberal cuck to another cuck. But it's become a kind of

basket to use your pal Hillary Clinton's term deplorables and whether whether you are whether you're anti-vax you're gonna go there you're gonna go to this space this is a safe haven for you uh whether recently adam carolla on his show today did an episode with not just alan dershowitz uh who defended jeffrey ep was on the plane, but also Chris DiLeo. One episode, two people.

And that's what's interesting about it because it's not just people who are conservative. It's because they need growth. They talk about this with politics where they'll be like, can you be a pro-life Democrat? And it's like, some people will be like, we want that so we can keep the tent big. And other people

go, no, that's against the whole fucking thing. And in that sense, this is a wide net. So they, I'm sure not everyone in their net wants Chris D'Elia, who's in court for being a pedophile on the show.

But they're like, hey, here's a guy who has a following. He no longer has a home. He's desperate for a home. He could be here. So it becomes this kind of very toxic net. And it becomes a mix of people that you might have a big problem with, like Crystal Lee, and also people who just didn't make it in the mainstream

and don't mind, or some people who don't care about politics. They've pivoted to, to it's a, it's a thing where they can thrive a little bit more and you'll see people, they, they, they break their breakout stars in that little,

that yes. Yeah. Jim Brewer included in this. I don't know if he's fully become like one of their boys, but like they get their guys and then they get a good, like Jim Brewer might be successful enough. He doesn't have to fully. He might get enough Fox News play that he's fine.

But it's like if you fail at Fox, you can go to what's that even more conservative? It's only online. Oh, one. Oh, it's something like the MyPillow guy. That's where he's allowed to still say the election was the MyPillow guy can't go on Fox and say the election was stolen. Oh, something right. Go on. What is it? oan oh yes oh yeah uh and and so what's what's fascinating about this and i think what's what's also disheartening is like they have a cartoon coming out soon and oh yeah when you look at the voice actors there's a couple you're like

oh no a danny trejo why are you here yeah and you're serious oh yeah this is what i mean it's fascinating and and i don't know if that means there's no way you read that script and you you i mean maybe you're it's for the daily wire so you're like you have to kind of say that everyone doing that knows what it is. They've read the script and they at least a little bit agree with it. Does that make sense? Or they're financially really in a position where they have to say yes. And this is the thing about acting.

Where like actors, for a long time, it's just like you work. Listen, you could go back and criticize everyone who was doing stuff on Fox when Fox News was a thing. I mean, now they're separate entities because they split the two and Disney bought Fox Entertainment and Fox News, now separate entities. But back in the day, you could have been like, well, whoever did Family Guy, you talk shit about Fox, but ultimately you are making money for the entity that is the Fox conglomerate. Yeah. And there were always those debates but now with streaming and more fractured audiences we've really had these networks that are even more skewed and it's like i can see at a different time listen when i was earlier in comedy i did a compound media couple shows yeah and it's like

well comics did that and yeah they had conservative people on but like it. And it's like, well, comics did that. And yeah, they had conservative people on, but it was like a comedy show where you're never going to talk with these other people. And it's hard to make those decisions, especially earlier on or when you have a family. So I don't know. Does that mean Danny Trejo needs money? Does that mean Danny Trejo is a conservative?

Does that mean Danny Trejo, and he's just one of those people where like he did a lot of cool shit and you're like, why? I think he's like 80 and he's 80. Maybe he doesn't give a shit. He's older than we all think. Oh my God.

Or, or maybe, and also maybe he's like, he's not transphobic, but he doesn't, he didn't like the vaccine mandates. Maybe he's just 80. Maybe he's not transphobic,

he's just 80. But, uh, the bottom line is it's not going away it's it's getting a lot of money and i think the really the question is in my mind and this is of my slanted liberal belief. It's that in order to make good art, you inherently share a lot of, quote unquote, liberal values, socially liberal values, because art is about questioning the status quo. it's about examining humanity and humanity is, is, is obviously going to be different than a formulaic set of rules. So like, I think they think they're questioning. Well,

I would argue that when you make a movie that's about transphobia, but half your actors are wearing dresses half the time. I ask, are you enjoying playing with gender? Yes. I, to my mind, I'm like'm like you are i i to be as vague as possible but i i i have i have a friend i can't but but i know people i know people in the arts who might be transphobic or whatever and i'm like you own 20 wigs. You can't. You enjoy, maybe you don't identify as a woman, but the status quo you enjoy playing with

at the very least. A little bit of, yeah. And there's a part of you that wants to, not necessarily you identify as a woman, but you like the feeling of playing. And that doesn't fit in the model that then you purport to support otherwise. But question is can they make good good art and and i saw one tweet that i always think of where it was showing a sketch where with and listen i don't

like quote-unquote liberal comedy no i think comedy i mean all art should be inherently human. But with conservative comedy, this person was saying that you can still see the anger. They're angry about something, and that anger is still the dominant force above funny, above entertaining, above interesting or emotional. It's that they're mad. And I would argue that their anger is detached from something deeper that they're not expressing i mean we oh you you do see it with liberal things too a good amount

of time but it feels when you're watching like something on daily wire or a greg gutfeld type thing you mainly just see an angry thing done in a way that you're like you're not really saying anything different than the talking point is you're just your number one goal is i am right about this yes you and the other people are wrong and i i sometimes think about with my i i sometimes think um when i try to think of like my stand-, I'm like, I want the setups can be, can express my views, my like actual views. The punchline is to be funny.

Right. When I talk about, when I have a couple of jokes that involve like more about like me, I wouldn't call it when you say trans jokes, people are like, you're making jokes at the expense of trans people and I'm more like

the liberal part of me is that I'm talking about something in a way where I'm not like judging or saying that thing is bad the punchline can be anything it can ultimately reveal

me to be an asshole it could reveal some some other crazy thing but it's like whenever my punchline is ah they're full of shit it's never that it's never that funny it's also expected it's like whenever my punchline is, ah, they're full of shit, it's never that funny.

It's also expected. It's also predictable. You know? With this comedy, you know the point of view is going to be trans women shouldn't play women's sports. Right. You know that from the beginning. So let's talk about the movie on the Daily Wire. So this was a movie that – which role did you audition for?

You said to Toa, I have to have every role. So this movie was interesting to me. It seemed like it was a high budget. It's called Lady Ballers. And from the trailer, it just seemed to be like, and this is a stretch from

Daily Wire produced that documentary, What is a Woman? Which I couldn't watch. Because again, it's like so the whole premise of the movie was was it's like these guys washed up guys uh they're gonna they found that they can make money dominating in women's sports so they decide to pretend that they're trans yeah and uh which okay well we can get into talking about the movie well something was on twitter where ben shapiro was like they were doing interviews about this because they're hyping this up this is a big deal and there's a lot of money in it the only thing where the money there's one one big thing where you see the lack of money

showing and it's the stadium there's a thing about like, I mean, this movie hates women. There is a deep core of hating women in this movie, but there's a whole thing of no one came to the women's matches, so they go to the play, and there's no one in the stands. And then as they start dominating, they get more popular. And soon it's like the big event. But because they don't have enough extras, they never fill the rows up past.

And in the frame, you see the empty chairs and i'm like well didn't get that popular but in the movie it's like the thing so that was just a thing that i saw so so you we decided to watch this movie uh and review it something initially right off the bat that i thought was so funny is that they are such losers like and they're not like it's just a funny thing where you're like coming from this is our point of view this is who we are blah blah but you've are a fucking loser like you're you're like loot no one likes you they have no real friends they have no like. Like, they're a loser. And the thing about it that is, again, how I view sometimes conservative people in my life is every interaction they have is this, like, thing with everyone that they interact with. They're bringing all this stuff to every conversation.

The daughter doesn't have a problem, like like in the beginning where she's talking about seeing a penis in a okay let's go let's okay so so the the the movie opens i mean for a second i thought it might be like enough first it's an hour 45 no no hour 52 hour 52 minutes nearly two hours which is. I didn't finish it. And it's again, it's like, it felt like it was SAG, but you just feel like, the people who do the Daily Royal,

one of the co-founder, he plays the coach. And there's a degree of like, he's clearly, he has talents. They've built something. Whether you hate him or not, they've built a thing. Him writing, producing, directing,

he's not good enough to do any one part of it at all. So it's like someone's first film supercharged with a mega budget that allows them to stretch every scene out way too long to explore every physical bit.

I wanted it to be worse. They said the most triggering comedy of all time. It was so boring. It was so fucking soft. And dull. And so it's ultimately like it's, what world of, like Adam Sandler-esque? I mean, because it's. I guess, yeah. It's not pretending to what, what world of like Adam Sandler-esque is, I mean, cause it's, I guess. Yeah.

It's not pretending to be like a smart comedy. It's like Adam Sandler, kind of like concert, like more conservative. Sandler. Yes. Yeah. So it opens with a coach. He had a basketball team. They succeeded, but then they didn't.

He's divorced. He has a daughter. He's a loser. He's a loser. And every conversation he gets into is, is then they didn't. He's divorced. He has a daughter. He's a loser. He's a loser. And every conversation he gets into is about gender. Yeah, it's about gender. And he's like, what was interesting is he is the put-upon straight white man, but he's also a loser, which, again,

and I really want to try to talk about this from a, not that we disagree with the views, which obviously we disagree a lot. I don't know if they thought about that, that they were like, this is who we are, and they made him a fucking loser. Like, a total loser. But that's what I'm saying, like, that's what's not comedic,

where it's like, they make him a loser, but their point of view is, we deserve this thing. So these two things are in conflict. Yes, yes yes and not the good kind of funny conflict and the one where it doesn't make sense yeah why would you root for this why would you root for him and so so and he's the problem in every situation he's the one mad about the the daughter thing mad about the step her her his wife's new husband so his wife has a new husband his wife has a new husband. His wife has a new husband who's like,

and it's also played by Matt Walsh. Oh, yeah. You didn't see at the end, there's a terrible where he takes off. You have to watch this final moment. He takes off his wig and he's sitting next to Candace Owens in a car. Oh, God. And she, oh, talk about,

I mean, she makes Matt Walsh look like Daniel Day-Lewis. It's the worst acting I've seen in my entire life. Can't wait to see her voice acting in the cartoon. And, like, Matt Walsh says a thing like, it all went according to plan. And she goes like, I never understand your plans. He goes, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then the camera goes down to the front of his car and cut to black. It's terrible.

I can't believe you didn't finish it. I'm furious at you that I finished it. No, I think Russell's justified in not finishing it. Like I, I, I had to start. It's not even that. It's not even that I didn't have it. I fell asleep. I, I started watching it last night after an LCD sound system concert and I couldn't

log in cause you didn't tell me that it was under my email. So I was trying for 20 minutes to log in under his email with a password. Like, it's not working. It's not working. I guess I won't watch this movie. And finally I figured out, oh, it's my email? Okay. So I did it.

Got in. I was watching. I watched probably 45 minutes, 45, 50 minutes of it. And then I did pass out. I think we're going to release this on the main, not the main feed, but on YouTube. Because I don't think anyone's doing a full review of this fucking piece of garbage movie i mean what do you think like people who watch it for real like for like fans let me go back let me go the plot but i do want to just agree it's the same thing as when we make fun of liberals i think they just

they're they're like agreeing is is the same is the equivalent of laughing. I don't think that they will watch it either. I think some people will watch it. I do not think that... Listen, they might grow and change, but I think human beings can't sustain an hour or 54 minutes

not enjoying something. I think something breaks. I don't see this as being a smash hit. And that's why I can't stand, they're like, they say, this is the comedy Hollywood doesn't have the balls to make. And I'm like,

it is not that brave. I would have, you, first of all, good luck offending me. It's no different than any of the pieces that they write. There's nothing in it that's different than the talking points. The most mildest episode of South Park is ten times more offensive than the show.

So, okay. So the dad... Where's my notes? Let me get this. Because I also wanted to talk about the two parts that I did think was funny. I did think when he played a basketball game, the coach threw a chair in the middle of the court. And when they went to the locker room, he was like, guys, I've done everything I could. I threw three chairs at the court.

I thought that was cute. There was one moment. This was the second, and I think this was the last of the movie that I enjoyed, was he went to pick up his kid from school, and the teacher was, his car is shitty, so there's a lot of noise. He's a loser.

He's a loser. And the teacher is trying to talk to him about something that happened at school. And he can't understand her because she's wearing like 10 masks. And he says, I can't understand it. So she takes off one, and there's another mask. And this one says, you know, I like gay people.

And then he says, I can't understand it. She takes off another one. And there were like four or five masks in a row. There was something about people who wear five masks and i said it was it was a funny physical gag yeah now again what i don't think is what i think is like so much is that every mask said um was like black lives matter, it's, and I don't think I would enjoy the- A funnier bit would have been like, in this house, we ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, ba-da.

Maybe if it was on each one, there was a different, like in this house. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh, sure. It's always the same version of, we're just going to exaggerate

slightly the liberal qualm as opposed to a twist or some yes it's it's are we filming okay everything okay uh so so like like this guru that he's he's married to he's just like hello namaste let's have a hug and there's a degree of like i live in the most liberal part of this. I'm surrounded. I work in gay, trans, non-binary. It's not like this. So it's like this imaginary thing

that I'm at the heart of the hell zone of New York City. And it's not this, and this is not a funny parody of it because it's so, it's like if every Republican voter in my movie was like, how you doing? I hate the gays. And that's all they did. And every shirt was, and every joke was they had a KKK hanging in the closet. And every joke is that. Every joke about them.

Every joke. So. Every joke. And every joke is that. Every joke about Liverpool. Every joke. So. Every joke. This guy can't get into a conversation with anyone without stuff coming up and being like,

why'd this happen? And it's like, because the first thing was the daughter. Or one of the first things was that conversation with his daughter. Which I thought was so interesting is the daughter is totally unfazed and saying. The daughter says like uh someone i saw a penis mrs so-and-so's penis yes by the way for the most transgressive comedy it opened with rated pg-14 it was like 14 or young younger 14 or older yeah 14 and i'm like yeah well yeah not even you brave not even an ma boys i'm going to show nudity or anything. Um, uh, but yeah, so he gets in this conversation with his daughter, realizes his daughter's talking about a trans woman and it's like, he's upset. His daughter's not upset. She's not been traumatized. She's not been anything, but he's like, you know, like, you know know like he's freaking out about it and i just thought

that was interesting is like that you're showing that this kid is not traumatized is not freaking out and you are the one having an issue with it again i don't think they're realizing what they're even showing they're not showing a daughter being like i was attacked i would like because that's what i thought maybe would happen they're showing literally her unfazed normal for her she's but they're worried what's happening at school blah blah she's fine she's fucking fine you fucking child like that's the thing about it is like this whole thing is like it's just showing these fucking losers who are and being like we are losers. We are losers. People don't like us in our life.

And who show the whole movie why someone would not want to be constrained by the gender roles of society. This whole movie hates women so – every joke is at the – just deeply at deeply. So they care about women's sports. But the first joke at the basketball game is no one's here because no one watches women's sports. So they don't actually care about it. Right. And then, like, the women are, and then at the end, which you missed, there is a moment with the daughter where the daughter goes, I want to be a man. I want to be a man. And suddenly, in a moving point,

he talks about all the things that women do and they nurture and they care for. And the thesis essentially is like, men are crazy. We'd be uncivilized if it weren't for women. And women are so important. And I'm like, your whole movie has shown why no one would want to be a woman, frankly, based on the world that you've been elected. Yeah, I don't want to be a woman.

And at the end, yeah, you're a fan. And there's a moment where the little girls get to play basketball. And I'm like, well, you just shat on them playing sports altogether. You don't have a real opinion here. You're just mad at the status quo being interrupted. You don't have a final real philosophy. So Daughter says that. There's a race. at the status quo being interrupted. You don't have any final real philosophy. So, Daughter says that.

There's a race. You can win five grand if you win. And he realizes one of his old basketball players can put on just, one of his old basketball players works at a drag bar. Yeah. A drag restaurant. And again. An actor, right?

Yeah. And again, they show it and it's like they show it as if it's like a horrifying thing and it's it's not like real drag performers it's like it's as if men were forced at gunpoint to join a drag restaurant yeah it's not like yeah and they they they compete and it's just every almost every scene is five minutes too long. It breaks into some kind of physical violence. And again, I don't care about the violence of it.

It's that there's like, there's just a pulsating anger of just constant. Like there's no funny thing to say. So someone just punches someone. Someone just, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. On the table table you can feel them creatively not having anything yeah so they're and they're mad about it they're like we should and and and then it's it kind of seeps through and then that's just every scene devolves to violence because there there's just nothing there it's like trying to and and this is also where i think it mingles in with these are performers and creators. And this is what's so insidious about this whole platform is like you're going to get creators and performers who are not that talented. Yeah.

They're not that talented. And this is speaking for someone who has no real. But what they do then is they go, okay, I will subvert my beliefs or I will alter. I will enter the space where I get to be the star and create bad art. So all of these people are – maybe there are one or two that I think were probably better than others. But generally just like not – they would not be good enough to succeed. And they might blame it on their views. They might blame it on that they're a white guy. But they're not be good enough to succeed and they might blame it on their views they might blame it on that they're a white guy but they're also not good no and you can see in things from

even the fighting where it's just it's just a punch it's never like a funny i mean the three stooges were doing much more beautiful choreography but again these people are working from limited resources because they have to operate within who's going to be willing to work with the daily wire yeah so they probably don't have like a stunt like a yeah yeah yeah uh again i do think it must have been sag but i am no true i had an intimacy coordinator oh my god that would be so funny if lady ballers had an intimacy coordinator oh man that's really funny so is it sag so they were forced to that's so funny and again i think what's what's so interesting that it's a comedy they have they have a lot of kind of old school like guys oh the we're in the ladies locker room yeah you can see a bunch of titties yeah and there's a degree of like so christian values are guiding your ultimate philosophy or they're not.

Comedy is about subverting the rules, but their whole rage is going against the rules. So, again, it doesn't fully make sense. You want women to be chaste or like this like more pristine version. Then how could you show these four women with their their tits almost out in the thing it doesn't make sense yeah if you have a strong specific point of view you can't subvert it truly yeah or if you do then do you actually have that it just okay so um let me see if i've i've page two of my notes i took i took so what happens after the race? They win the race. He goes, okay, we can... Oh, God.

There was just a couple... There was a... Oh, there was a Bud Light joke. There was a Bud Light joke about where they were drinking. They'll give anyone... Oh, because the actor... Oh, they gave him a sponsor.

Now that he's a woman racer, they give him a sponsor. Yes. So then they introduce this journalist character, and she's supposed to be representative of the mainstream media, which, again, here's another thing with the whole thing. As the Daily Wire grows, they are the mainstream media.

They are the mainstream media. They have sponsors, and they have politicians, and they want to maintain relationships, and they are who they are criticizing. And you could enjoy making fun of the mainstream media. But not if you are the mainstream media. Because then you've got to poke fun at yourself. And a big part of this is that even when they poke fun at themselves, they can't fully do it. You know, because for them to do that would mean that maybe you shouldn't make them be your god emperor and decide all the rules. So the mainstream media, she's like a hot slutty gal who at one point says like,

I want to get pregnant so I can get it aborted again. Yeah. Like that's, that is one of the lines. And again, as, as pages laugh would say, I do think there's like a funny,

you could find something funny there. No. Oh yeah. I mean, it's just so absurd. Yes. Who, who's thinking of writing these lines like that? That's not something anybody there. No. Yeah. It's just so absurd. Yes. Who's thinking of writing these lines?

Like that's not something anybody would ever say. That's crazy. But again, it's like you can live there if you show a lot of people there. But when it's one side, I think you just, it's not funny because you feel them trying to make a point. Yeah. Yeah. And with every joke, it's trying to make a point. And so she comes up to them at the bar,

and she's like, hey, make an all-women's-whatever team. I'll boost the profile. We'll be rich. You give me 50%. And, coach, I'm going to fuck you because you're a winner. And, again, it's just all these, like, the coach does want to fuck her, and ultimately she's into S& M and they never have sex,

but like the coach wants her and pursues it pretty actively. Yeah. Which again, doesn't make sense. And especially goes into contrast, which at the end of the movie where they try to have these moving moral points that Russell missed entirely. They also do a commercial midway through.

There's a lot of nods to like the daily wires grassroots, which I guess might work if it if it wasn't so bad but like they do they break into a commercial for razors which i think ben shapiro does on his show or something oh uh speaking of which there is a ben shapiro cameo as the ref that is just atrocious um so i'm surprised know, so much about Ben Shapiro. I think it's partly like, he's just on, he's on the Twitter a lot. Yeah.

He, he's Jewish. So he like, it's brought up in like Jewish conversation. And Ben Shapiro is not who I'm thinking of. What was the doctor? The black doctor. Yes.

Ben Carson was in it. No, no, no, no, no. Every time this episode that? No, no, no, no, no. Every time this episode that you've been saying Ben Shapiro, I've been thinking Ben Carson.

And I was like, I did not know that Benjamin, Dr. Benjamin Carson was part owner of the Daily Wire and he made a cameo? Like, I didn't know he was relevant in conservative politics anymore. Ben Shapiro is the guy with the sister with big tits

that's how I know him you should have said that you know the guy the brother of the big tit woman that's how I remember for those watching this for the conservatives that are on mad and then they'll be like,

and then he disrespected and I did. So I don't. That woman has a name and I'll never learn it. Yeah. Listen, if for some reason conservatives do see this Daily Wire fans, it wasn't accurate at all. Yeah, we fucking know.

We know. It's not worth our fucking time. No're just making entertainment yeah fuck you motherfuckers uh so then okay so let's see so they so they make this plan he gets the whole basketball team back together and amidst this they try to insert like what in a regular movie would be viewed as some of the worst comedy for example there's one player who's gone to live in the woods there's a long journey of the gathering of the players yes and it's like that's when i fell asleep it's 40 minutes it was so long they were giving all the players one at a time and every player is gonna say yes and it's not interesting how they get them to agree they're losers once you realize that this is what's happening

and how long it takes to do it that's when I fell asleep because I was like this is just taking too long and so the most unique one is there's one guy who went to the woods because in the big finals game he was gonna he like zoned out because he saw

a weasel or a badger mascot like humping the air and he like short circuited and now he's traumatized and kills badgers in the woods and he's locked up the mascot in his basement I mean funny stuff

like if you got me in eighth grade and said like what's a funny thing I'm like the mascot's humping and he's like yeah and and so ultimately they get the team together then they they there's a scene where like he says okay here's a twist guys we're all we have to pretend to be women and then they all like get angry there's a month it's so they they decide to start playing i don't know where you stop. I'm gone by now. I hate you so much.

I'm 45 to 50 minutes in. That's a lot. No, there's no half credit here. You watched the movie. Well, now I'm hanging on. It's all my word. So then it actually gets really good at this point. It becomes a really great comedy. Slow burner. Let me just make sure.

I was hesitant to even do this because it's so hard. You're like, either we're a, we're just preaching to a choir. Anyone that's listening. I'm sure. Do you know what I mean? So it is hard to like, it is hard to review it. No, I know. But it is like, it's so hard to not, when you hear someone that doesn't agree with something, talk about it. so hard to like i don't know i agree we're trying to focus on the comedy ultimately the biggest theme of it is that if your comedy has a thesis make it a paper because it's not yeah yeah and it already is they already have that they already have their shows different ways and i think they're this the real urge of this is like hollywood doesn't they don't we don't like holly doesn't. We don't like Hollywood writ large. We don't like old movies were better. This movie is woke.

And I do think there's movies that push a liberal agenda in a weird way that feels gross. Do I think featuring a gay character is a liberal agenda? No, it's not. No, it's not. That's just a thing. That's just a thing that exists. They're just humans that are in the world

that's the problem I wouldn't I wouldn't want to watch a movie where the the whole comedy the whole point is like people against gay marriage are stupid

cause cause that's just a that's just a fact and again that's me making a point that's not funny it's just not funny

Ghostbusters doesn't have what's the thesis of Ghostbusters call Ghostbusters that's not funny it's just not funny ghostbusters doesn't have what's the thesis of ghostbusters call ghostbusters that's the thesis they love blazing saddles that's what they always use they love blazing saddles and again there's offensive stuff but the problem is the thing that's offensive now offends you and so you think it should have been this you are now the offended person that guy that guy in the movie is constantly offended constantly and by the way the liberal dad isn't

the little girl's not this guy our protagonist who is a fucking loser again when no one really likes or respects he is the one that's constantly offended

and let me just there was a comedian I don't remember really likes and respects. He is the one that's constantly offended. Constantly. And let me just... There was a comedian. I don't remember his name. He had a great joke about with commercials sometimes would be like a group of friends hanging out nowadays. And this is what you would call woke commercials. And

one person of each race is in that friend group. And that's the whole friend group. And the joke was like seeing those commercials and your buddy dan calls and like ah we already got a black guy sorry yeah and like i think that's funny because yeah you do see there is humor yeah to the ways people try to diversify in ways that are that don't work or don't fit. There are plenty of things to poke fun at, and it can be tough, and it can be interesting, and it can be unique.

But I think what these people don't understand is it's not just the thing they're trying to poke fun at. It's that they are bad at it. And what they're mad is people aren't laughing at their bad attempt. South Park all the time does this stuff. And partly it's funny because they don't have a strict agenda. They really are more equal opportunity offenders.

And it's funny. So another point, this happens twice, and you saw the first one. This cast, as you might have guessed, is very white. And really, I mean, maybe there's a couple times I missed. The only time black people are used are to make a very old hacky race joke. And it's two times. One is like he says something at the end of a – he's coaching these high school kids. And he says, and guys, please don't jack my car or whatever.

And a black student comes up to him and goes, hey man, you can't say that to us. And then as he leaves, a car saw falls out of his pocket. And then another one is, of course, later, they're on the basketball team, the opposing team. Now they're using, quote unquote, trans women, and it's just all black players, signifying that now they're using quote-unquote trans women and it's just all black players signifying that now they're going to

get destroyed. And then one of them gets the shorts pulled down. And someone gets the line that I know when they came up with this line, they said, that's going to be the funniest part of the movie. And the line is, that's the biggest dick I've ever seen on a woman in my life!

And I know that when they shot that, they had to do it ten times because Ben Shapiro kept nutting in his pants. He was laughing so hard. I know they thought this was the greatest comedic moment of all time. A black guy that has a big penis. And it was playing women's sports. And they said this is the height of comedy. But that's my point. It's not.

It is the height of comedy and that's but that's my point it's not it is the basic thought it is the first it's the first impulse that that you grow out of for a fifth grader yeah it is funny it there is there is a thing when you're when when you're in second grade you might doing an accent might be the funniest thing in the world. But you grow and you ultimately learn like you just – anyone can do that. Anyone can go, he's got a big dick. That's not worthy of a film crew. Yeah. Of a script supervisor. Yeah.

Of a sound person. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because they are conservative. So there is something about you're always kind of looking backwards. You're always kind of looking at like, you know, it's not like they're always wanting to keep things same. So I think there is like a looking backwards of like remembering that feeling when they were really young watching, don't know porkies or something yeah and being like that was the pinnacle of comedy for them when you know if we maybe when we were in fifth grade we watched porkies i mean a of all you know we weren't we weren't focused on laughter then but

like i'm just saying like like we were like you might have you watch it now, you're like, oh, this is trash. But I think that there is something where it's like people stay there. A lot of people, I don't know, that's why they listen to the same music that they always listen to. That's why they, you know, there's like sometimes people don't go forward in that way in terms of, you know. I think it's, but it's just like, it's like, first of all, that comedy still exists. I think it's more like, obviously there's this collective feeling of like, stop shoving it down our throats. Yeah. And I don't know what to say to that because I don't

feel it I don't feel like oh you know how to deal with it when you do feel like you were watching art that if you're watching something that you are like oh god shut up about this you know what I mean

if you're being pandered to but that's the thing is like you know you got conservatives they go oh gay pride month everything's rainbow it's like yeah i think the problem there is it's corporations that are fucking you over pretending that they stand for anything yeah no i agree with you yeah i just i just like i i don't i i obviously i part of it's like is this thing gonna succeed because i look at it and i go it's bad again this is the first movie i think anyone that's watching it not us but anyone that's watching it that started out they probably loved it you know no i don't think so you don't this is this is the thing that we talk about we gotta

this is the thing that we talk about with jesse got to ask some conservatives. This is the thing that we talked about with Jesse David Fox, where I go like, I want to watch you watching this. Yeah. I want to watch you watching this. I remember. Listen, I remember. And when he gets punched for the 20th time, you go, when he puts on the wig.

Well, here's the thing. I remember. I think I told you this before. I dated in high school a pretty religious person who had a very conservative father and one time he made me and her watch this conservative

comedian and it's that one guy you know that one guy everyone kind of knows and it was it was all this and it was like him complaining about gay marriage him complaining about the judges in this country making the rules for us. And I remember watching it, and it was horrible. Not laughing.

I'm just like sitting frowning at the thing. And he didn't laugh. The dad did not laugh. But he would be like, yep, yep, that's exactly right. That is exactly right. See that? That's right. That's what they do it's like a thing being like it's just an extension of them watching the news it's just like a little more fun

for them but you know what i mean like changes what do you think changes were like because that's only so that's not fun i think you look at it and you go like and listen i have depression i'm not i'm not a big laugher i wish i was yeah but like what changes in your chemistry were like this this is the most this is your joy this is what joy is to you i think joy is foreign to a lot of people if i'm being honest i think feeling something and anger can sometimes be that i feel something or the validation of that anger feeling a validation of that anger is a, is a, is a yes, I'm okay that I can be angry. I have reasons to be angry and I'm feeling something. And that is sometimes people just want to feel something. And anger is

a quick, easy thing. And if they're feeling like someone's saying, yes, you should be angry, then that's powerful. You know? I just think that sometimes it's foreign for people to feel joy and laughter without it, you know? I don't know. Do you want friends that are angry, or are these all people with no friends?

I think people have angry friends. I think you're angry together, and also, I think that sometimes if you, if, if, if people, okay. So if I know that you and I agree on most things politically,

we're not going to spend all the time talking about that. Cause we have that. And we know that that's there. There's a safety in that. So I think that like, you know, they might have get beyond that. They'll probably, you know, I mean, we do that.

We'll like talk about certain things and all of that, but like, you can then maybe talk about other things. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We went on a, no, I just, it's, it's more, it's cause like clearly this, this, this is filling a new need for people. Yeah.

a new need for people. Yeah. And, and I just view it as this, this whole, the, the, the whole premise of the movie is like,

it's not, it's the whole thing with, with trans women playing sports where it's like, there's so many people who care about it, who have never cared about women's sports before. And even in the movie itself, they say they don't care about women's sports, but they, they somehow see it.

So let me get to the final moment just because I feel like this is where they try to like then overlay their message. And at this point, this is like an hour 40 minutes. And this is bad, overstretched comedy. Every joke's the same.

Their team takes off. They all become even more woman womanly they all get famous and rich and this is where you see the budget limitations because you can only see them do so much but they get on magazine covers and they're invited to to the president's house which again is like there there is so deeply this belief that oh people transition for the rewards that comes with it. And it's the same thing, this is the same thing with, like, with, like, the Me Too movement, where a lot of people would be like, oh, they're just doing it for the rewards.

And now Flash, due to a thing that they showed with Ben Shapiro, when they pitched him this idea that he said, make it a documentary. Like, have men compete in women's sports and say that they're trans women. And Ben Shapiro admitted on this thing, and again, I'm not getting any of these facts right, but that to be part of the league, you had to some kind of estrogen something for a year. There were requirements.

It wasn't. And look, I don't need a comedy to accurately reflect life. I'm not like, well, this comedy didn't get exactly. They would have to take estrogen shots for a year before they could qualify. It's more that the deep anger behind this is not based on anything. And so this whole movie, after an hour 40 of showing these like losers, get their life back on track after an hour 40 of, of ultimately just watching, uh,

men dressed as women and enjoying, you, you might say you're laughing cause that's, but you're not laughing cause you're going, that's wrong. You couldn't enjoy a comedy like that. So the whole thing is very, it's playing with gender.

Yeah. It's playing with gender yeah it's playing with gender and that ultimately is what the comedy is of the movie and then right at the end after they've established no no depth of character no emotional attachments no meaning whatsoever they have a moment where he goes like hey maybe this is wrong. Maybe we shouldn't be doing this. And then it all happens at once. And then his daughter says, I want to be a man.

And he says, no, women are important. They do this, that, and the other. And his ex-wife sees him and starts to fall back in love. And then one of his players who says, you know, I've one of the most muddled fucking scenes I've ever seen in my life he goes you know I've always been kind of lost in life and I think I'm a woman I think I enjoy this like it's incredible because because it's this moment of like he's she's happy

she's happy and she goes and you know my parents are proud of me they just shoot her in the head borderline borderline She goes, and you know what? My parents are proud of me. They just shoot her in the head. Borderline. Borderline. That's just like, they're just like, yeah.

When I was watching it, I was like, honestly, it was the best acted moment of the movie. And she's like flush. And I'm now using her proper pronouns. I love that we're using the right pronouns for her. I'm respecting her pronouns now. This is a character. This is who she was. And she goes, I was confused.

And now, and I could see the actor going like, I could see the actor being like, I am a good actor. And I'm going to be a good actor even in this pile of dog shit. And she goes, I think I am a woman. And my parents are proud of me. And I feel good. And the coach, who has proven himself to be completely unreliable, a fucking idiot, the biggest loser in the world, goes, no. He goes, were your parents proud of you before? Right?

They were. So you're just confused. What does his... And then he goes, and your parents were shitty, and your life was a mess, and it's just... His argument in that moment doesn't have any legs. His,

his argument is about other people like viewing you like, like they were proud of you. Like it doesn't even matter. Like he doesn't even say like, he doesn't say, why are you feeling this? He just goes, your life just sucks.

And I'm here for you. Mine does too. Cause I have a fucking, and his sucks too his sucks too and and then then it ends let's be mad together and they make like they again this is where this is where i'm talking bad comedy there's there's constant jokes about like when the trans women are playing the women's team the score is 500 to 8 yeah or whatever and then later they basically switch it so So instead of the trans woman playing, they let his daughter and her teammates play against the adults, the black team.

Oh. And, and at first they scored two points. And then like the big joke at the end is, and the final score was 800,000 to two. And they, they hit this joke for the 10th time. And again,

this is where my point is bad comedy because you don't have the flexibility to reach for a smarter joke. And then there's a... And I'm not... I really kind of skipped over the one comedian in this who I know and who it feels very disappointing because they found a lot of success in this world

and it's a real bummer. Yeah. I don't need to go drag specific. when you maybe when we watch lady ballers 2 lady ballers 2 so in conclusion 10 stars out of 10 10 no i do think i agreed with you when i really was like when it was build being like the most you know trigger blah blah all that stuff i wish i fucking wish in any way you want in any way any way you want i like something to keep me like awake like it just really was like it was so boring it was just it was watching it was watching something on fox all it was is basically any sort of thing you were like, this is how you feel, I could tell.

That's the other thing about comedy where it's like, for something to be really funny or transgressive, it's not necessarily like, oh, we're going to say the most transphobic things possible. No, you're going to say the funniest, most surprising things possible. But there's this degree of it's not like it's not that if you say the most racist thing, that's the

funniest. And I think that's the thing that they think go together. And it's because it's filled with bad comedians. Ben Shapiro, for whatever skills he has, is not a good comedian. But he thinks he is. And so when people don't laugh, he goes, is not a good comedian.

But he thinks he is. And so when people don't laugh, he goes, oh, it's because you're woke. It's not good comedy. And that's why I got mad. But that's what's interesting about the whole thing, though. Okay, so if you're talking about the animated thing that they're going to do, you're like, it's interesting because you're like,

it's kind of like chicken or the egg thing because you're like like someone like roseanne where you're like at some point you had a great comedic mind but it's a conservative mind now and it's not good at comedy anymore and what happened there did the comedic brain break or did you become conservative and suddenly you don't have that brain anymore? I think it's the same thing that happens with liberal comedians where it's like they start thinking that them making a point

is funny or that they're so funny they can start making points. And I go like, but then you're no longer a comedian. You're no longer making comedy. So I think she's angry. And when she does her stand-up or whatever... And by the way, I think at Roseanne's point,

I just don't think she's working on this stuff anymore. No, yeah, yeah. I think she's just showing up and doing Roseanne. And her stand-up is written by someone else. That was a pretty... By the way, not a great impression, guys. That was one of the best impressions. No, it got bad.

I lost it. Okay. I like that. So for Debbie Downsiders, use code DebbieDownsider at DailyWire.com and get 15% off your annual subscription. Check out Lady Ballers. Oh, my God, no. No, it's not. No, it's...

Do not. No, that's why we did this, so you don't have to watch it. Because I just found it... I found it intriguing because it's not going away. I found it intriguing that it was entirely not intriguing.

And... And yeah. That's... My conclusion is just that liberal comedy is bad. Conservative comedy is bad. Comedy is supposed to be funny and the same way that that conservatives would always be like funny is funny i go right back at you and go like funny is funny this is this is not and and again you you need to like question yourselves like if you're so

fucking concerned about like the exact moral order as dictated by the fucking bible then what's with the jokes of the guys walking in the women's locker room and they see a bunch of naked people and that's like funny or they enjoy it or that all your lead characters are sexual deviants or there's some guy that every time

there's a sexual situation comes up and goes how much there's a degree of like that's, comes up and goes, how much? There's a degree of like, that's... He shows up, and again, bad comedy, he shows up 12 times. One callback, how much? Maybe three. He shows up like 87 times this guy comes up and goes,

how much? I like that one. And there's a degree of like, so... So that guy, so he's gay? Yeah. And he's a cowboy? so he is part of your family. So you are saying that gay people exist? Yeah. So then what do you do with that person?

Well, they're perverts. That is their sort of thing. Sure, sure. What do you think is the most, in your mind, egregious liberal piece of thing that you've consumed in the last five years? Do you have an example of something that you're like, oh, this is...

I think people point to Stephen Colbert's There's a vaccine one where he was dressed like a syringe and they were dancing and it was like, get the vaccine, get the vaccine. And listen, we all dealt with new categories. Like, I the vaccine, get the vaccine. Yeah. And listen, we all dealt with new categories.

Like, I think you should get vaccinated. I think there's so many diseases that you got to get vaccinated for. I also understand being, I understand more as I get older, skepticism with the government in general. I get it. And I also get that, like, this, like, you're an idiot doesn't work oh god no i don't doesn't work with us like you know it's yeah i don't know if i'm voting for biden it's a it's a it's a crazy thing to keep using that stance too to be like to be like you're an idiot if you don't do this and you're like why are we all why are millions of us idiots when all the polling is

there no one wants this fucking guy yeah why aren't you the idiots for you have a year find someone else someone else find someone else do something different expand the supreme court do something like tens of millions of americans are idiots and be like and and bully us every fucking year a presidential thing comes around because you guys don't have someone who can win an election. And you could truly find probably anyone else in the Democratic Party right now that will have better numbers than Joe Biden. And you played your hand too early. It's like you started shaming us too early. Too early. Way too early.

You did not do a real competition. And by the way, and you're canceling primaries. You're like, you're just like wild deep down. There's a thing of, it's like, yeah,

you know, Democrats, they love, they know better. They all. And that's, that is actually where I feel most like you can, like you,

you can't always be like, we just trust us. We know better than you. We'll handle this for you. And,. Because then you don't handle it. All you do is you get in there like, we didn't do anything, but we're better than that. That's all you do. You get in there and suddenly if Trump gets elected, it's going to be the worst thing in the world. He can control everything. But when you're in there, you're like, I didn't trade. Nothing happens.

And the whole time you're already being like, you're president right now telling me what's going to happen when Trump wins again. You're the president right now. Do something. Do something crazy like he did. I don't know. Like you're just-

That you saw Roe v. Wade get overturned and that you don't insist every fucking day that we don't do something about the goddamn Supreme Court, you are fucking crazy. You're just going to roll the dice and hope that people die at the right time? That's what we've put our country in. People dying at the correct time.

That is not a sustainable world, you fucking idiot. And you know what? Some people, they go, well, clearly it's not getting fixed with either system, so what we need is a little bit of fucking chaos to actually fix and adjust the goddamn world. I like imagining conservatives if they found this video

being very confused by this section. That's the point! That's the point! We don't like it! We're angry too! We just don't blame it on trans people! God damn it! God damn it. God damn it. Stop getting mad.

Get mad at rich people. Yes, go eat them. Get mad at all the politicians. Go eat them. They're all friends. You don't think Mitch McConnell and Joe Biden couldn't have a great dinner together? In fact, they're mad about it being polarized because Trump would love to get dinner with Biden. They'd love to shoot the shit about what it's like with the white.

Steens. Exactly. That's why they don't like the polarization. They want to have brunch together again. Epstein's Island again. Fucking idiots. And last thing on this movie, Lady Ballers. If Ted Cruz is in your movie, it's not a comedy.

He is in a position of power. If you have a politician hosting your late night Saturday show or is in your comedy movie, you are no longer a comedy. You know exactly what I'm talking about, Paige. I do.

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