The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi - #81 The Problem with Jay Jurden

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

Our first return guest Jay Jurden joins to talk about writing for The Problem with Jon Stewart (and agreeing with Jon so long as he stays clear of hot takes on X-Men), the challenge of writing jokes that don’t get you sued, his upcoming wedding and his other boyfriend’s role in it, and why lip syncing is destroying art as we know it.  You can watch full video of this episode HERE! Follow Jay Jurden on Instagram and Twitter Get your tickets for Jay Jurden: Just Jokes in Brooklyn on May 21 Watch The Problem with Jon Stewart on Apple TV+ Follow Gianmarco Soresi on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, & YouTube Subscribe to Gianmarco Soresi's email & texting lists Check out Gianmarco Soresi's monthly show in NYC (first Sunday of every month) Get tickets to see Gianmarco Soresi in a city near you Watch or listen to Gianmarco Soresi's special "Shelf Life" on Amazon & on Spotify Follow Russell Daniels on Twitter & Instagram E-mail the show at [e-mail] Produced by Paige Asachika & Gianmarco Soresi Video edited by Spencer Sileo Special Thanks Tovah Silbermann Part of the Authentic Podcast Network Original music by Douglas Goodhart Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No, Russell, I don't think white men have it the toughest. Welcome to the downside. He thinks straight white men have it the toughest. The fact that you didn't specify. If you had known what point in the day I thought to do that, like at 10 a.m. I was like, and I had different versions, and then I was just dying to do it.

You had worse versions. I'm trying to think if I had more offensive. Yeah, yeah offensive yeah yeah that's still pretty bad yeah that's pretty bad um uh welcome to the downside and our first return guest yeah in a way in a way you you were uh gonna be my first guest guinea pig and then this was back uh when russell the first of three times got covid no kidding me no no this was the first time the first of three times got COVID this was the first time he got COVID second time we were doing the podcast

once there was no we started this podcast once there was a vaccine though I feel like it was right after the vaccine though no I was exposed to COVID oh you were exposed I didn't have it that time, though.

I see. I see. It was when we were still, like, canceling that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we're all exposed every day. We weren't canceling. It is like the thing shows up. The app on your phone goes, you were exposed.

And you go, well, I'm on the train already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nicole got a thing. That's what. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got a call the morning of being like. And it was our very first episode. Yeah.

Jay stepped in. Oh, yes. It went went well thank you for being here thank you for having me for those of you who don't know this is my friend stand up comedian and currently a writer for The Problem with Jon Stewart

this is Jay Jordan but say something not positive So we can go into our theme music Oh okay You made me come to you today During rush hour On a day where people were shot

During a terrorist attack A semi-terrorist attack So that's the downside of doing this podcast I could have not made it here This is the downside 1, 2, 3 Downside. One, two, three. Downside.

You're listening to The Downside. The Downside. With John Marco Cerezi. I was going to say we're recording this in advance, but there will probably be another shooting. I will say, I saw the thing this morning, and then I was like, oh, you know, about to leave. And I was like, well, surely they caught that person.

No. And they have not. And I was like on the subway like, oh, I feel a little less comfortable that it was. I feel like you see online, people have this automatic reaction of like, they're like, this is why we need more police. That's the first thing people go to. That is something that they say. And emotionally, I understand. Emotionally, I understand emotionally. I understand you're like,

why? But there's a degree of like, there is no quick solution to this. This is, you know, people pulling guns, this, any knee jerk reaction to like,

let's get more police standing around getting people for jumping turnstiles is the wrong response. Yes. And you're saying that so that people like you on Twitter, Gianmarco. And I know, I know that they usually don't. So you're saying this is the clip. He wants,

he wants. Well, let me just say, so I, I recently, cause I, I've been saying, I've been saying to Tova,

Tova's had like two people like, like get in her face recently on the street. And I've had twice recently. I was going, I was on 8th Avenue going to LOL and twice now. At night? At night, like 8 p.m. Yeah. And I don't know if I'm giving off a different vibe or if the city feels a little more chaotic where two, twice a guy just like, like at me.

We were walking once you remember that pack of roving teens kept asking if we had weed and it's probably the first time you've seen me turn and I was like

I was like I don't have any fucking weed number one and then his like friend showed up and I turned to his friend and was like

turn the fuck around right now it was wild so they were just following you for an extended period of time they kept asking

it was strange They kept being like do you have any weed? And we were like no. And they kept like pursuing it. I don't know if they were like nagging us. I think it was like they were asking because we were close to a place that is like one of those kind of real but kind of not dispensaries. Maybe they were asking people if they had weed on them.

It also might have been like the new version of the penis game for teenagers. I don't know what they were attempting to do. But they like like kept doing it i saw them sort of messing with like a woman and they messed with me and john marco and i was like well i'm gonna be chill for the first one and then the second one and by the third one i was like i'm gonna yell at the kid yeah i'm not scared of kids i don't care if it's like four of them i definitely can you can hit two of them and then the other two will be very worried i I'm not. Are you ready to fight? Yeah. It's a bad sign.

No, I need it because the second guy that charged me, first guy freaked, the second guy, he was walking away. He was holding something, too. And I did my classic, go fuck God fucking damn it. Go fuck yourself, you fuck it. Yeah. But then immediately I'm like, uh-oh. Now he's going to come fight me. No, no, no, no.

Jean-Marco, you need that. Not in airports in Wisconsin like you usually do you need it in New York the person that jumped out at you was it seemed like why were they it seemed like a mental health thing or like

I don't know it was just like no no it was like both like white guys looking kind of like punkish. They look punkish. Like sweatpants. Like kind of, I don't know. They're both like the same kind of guy, which is what was strange.

Just like, what does this guy see me? You talking about my friend Ronnie? I love him. What's that term? You know, is it, oh, there's a term for it. Like something punk. Isn't it like a. Like steampunk?

No. No, no, no. Like a gutter punk? Scum punk? Am I making up? Yeah, something like. There's a term. But is that just, did old people just tell us that?

I know. And we're using it now? Am I just like saying it? Like a really. Have we graduated to the age where we can go, those young punks and we actually just mean youths? Yeah, but I know what you mean now.

So I do want to talk about all sorts of things with you. I just want to catch up on, I was just in Memphis visiting Tova's family. Can I tell you something about the comedy club you were at? I know about one of them. Oh, Chuckles Comedy you were at i know about one of the comedy house so i know about chuckles because they have a sister club in jackson mississippi which is where

i'm from i think it's like it was converted from like a lone star steakhouse i'm not making this up so chuckles is a black room so i'm wondering 100 how in the hell you got that gig so this is a funny well first of all like i've been to i've definitely been to uh black comedy shows like in the apollo or there's brooklyn comedy club here but something about this i i don't i've tried to see if i can pinpoint it i was like oh this is a black comedy club like like everything about it felt like old school like from the 80s just one gigantic fucking room gigantic fucking room for Gigantic fucking room. Big ceiling.

For, you know, big ceiling. Just like, you imagine, it's people who can sell a lot of tickets and they pack the shit out. And just like, yeah, everyone in the staff black and just things you notice. And so I walk in there with my hyper Jewish girlfriend and her hyper Jewish brother.

And it was a 5 p.m. show, super light, which is fine. I was very happy to just do the hour. For a second, it seemed like there was going to be no host or feature. And then there was a host. Like I sat down, I was like, so what's the time breakdown? And they said, oh, it's just you, whatever you want. And I was like, okay. It was funny because, like, listen, I'd love to.

And I told my agent, I said, listen, I can do these rooms. I want to do these rooms. You can. And I think about it all the time in terms of, like, fan base. I'm like, I do not want an all-white fan base. There's a quiet room. And the owner after the show, and this is an older black man, he gives me the check and stuff. And he's like yeah you know

i've been wanting to uh add more diversity to this club and then you kind of fell into my lap and you're exactly the kind of act that i want for this and i was like wow wow people don't understand that's the only time you can actually cry out about reverse discrimination like the tables actually have to turn in the sense that like that is a majority black city it is a majority black room it is a majority black comedy club the staff is black you know who goes through there like black headliners on the weekend i mean like like some more i mean like earthquake like it's like that level of black comics. And they sell out. And what's so funny is that when I saw you do

The Room, I was like, Jean-Marc? I was like, didn't they do this on a season of Maisel? Didn't something like this happen in the Chitlin Circuit? And he offered. He said, hopefully I can do the one in Mississippi too. And I'm like, great, let's do it. It would be more nervous.

I mean, the truth is, I'd be more nervous for the show. And I'm like, I'm like, great, let's do it. It would be more nervous. I mean, the truth is, I'd be more nervous for the show. Can I tell you, every Jewish person I knew in Mississippi, I would tell them to go see it.

Sure. All six of them. I would be like, listen, I would tell Abram, I hope they listen to this, I would tell Abram and his wife Hannah

and maybe, maybe Abram's parents, like, they would actually be, you should do it. You should do it. They also, I mean,

you really, every white also I mean you really every white person I would tell that's where I would perform they would always give that you know that awkward thing white people do like oh you were

you were there and in Memphis I know they probably went they probably went there's a lot of crime there and you're like okay alright

please please don't please stop talking so I don't have to say anything please please please please please please please but then what was so funny is as i was leaving i again i think i made 200 bucks and i just i want to be back so i i try to leave a nice big tip for like the staff and i approach like the waiters all black women and i like gave a i tried to give a 20 to one like oh can i

give this to you guys yeah and the look she gave me was like like like i had asked for a blow job in exchange for it and the look she gave me i honestly was like should i like she like like i'd handed her trash and i don't know if it's just like that's not the – it was just strange the way I did it or like that's not the custom of the comic, like leaving a tip for the – I don't know what it was. But the reaction, I felt so guilty. Well, yeah. Is it weird because you're like making her split it up amongst the rest of them? Maybe.

Make change? Maybe. Is it weird because you're like making her split it up amongst the rest of them? Like maybe make change. Maybe. But I used to people like dropping like 200 on like the staff. I mean, there's no way they would have expected it from this show. That would be insane. That would be insane. I mean, maybe it was too low or maybe it was like, I don't need your help. I don't know. But it was one of those things where, again, like, I don't need your help. I don't know, but it was one of those things

where, again, listen, I think it's so important, speaking as a white person, to be in spaces where you are not the majority because you learn, you learn just about the world. You straight up understand

that you can only have two, maybe three New Girl references in your set. I'll see some white comics talk about white stuff and i'll be like that's so beautiful i'm so happy you get to do this only do it here don't ever take it anywhere else i don't care how much you love neutral milk hotel or like it'll get into like very like the shins level you know what i'm saying you'll be like man you really whoo yeah black people have to do a lot of like they have to journey very far to enjoy you mentally yeah and then on the flip

side of this so then i did a show sunday for like tova's family and all these people from the shul the temple and uh tova's sister was there and and tova uh Tova's sister was supposed to come Thursday. The flight got canceled, and because she's religious, she can't fly Friday or Saturday, so it couldn't come until Sunday. But we do the show. I see her sister for the first time,

and I'm like, ah, and I say her name, and I go to give her a hug, and I feel like Tova goes, and I go, Joe Marco, no, and pull me off, and it was because she's not allowed to touch Men JoMarco And I gave her

JoMarco I gave her a big hug You assaulted her It felt I felt So Dirty I felt like

Can I say something This is why the Italians And Jewish people Should not mix Because you were more Italian In that moment Than you were Jewish Yes

Yeah Yes I felt so guilty. How much did you hug? I grabbed her for a hug. And for a second, this all happened very quick. Did she scream? No, she didn't scream. I could see

there was a degree of... And this is all happening very fast. But as I was going in for the hug, it wasn't like this hug. I was like, oh, maybe we don't have a hugging relationship but then I thought you know

cause I'm an older I'm the older boyfriend of the girlfriend oh come here he has a hug you didn't give her time to think about that you just like

went in there to be pulled off of a hug to be to be pulled off of your girlfriend's sister and you

for you to word it that way also? Oh, God. It was, I felt such. What was the conversation like after that? Was there any like acknowledgement? I did my, where like I apologize so intensely, people end up feeling worse for me.

This is why you have to lose your hair and have a 10 season series on HBO because you do things like this. You do things like this and the world around you gives you a set like this. You do things like this. And the world around you gives you a set of rules. You go, I know these rules. I have these rules. I got these rules.

You know what? She can't fly. I'm here for it. But I'm so happy she's at this show. Let me just give her a big old hug. It was just a fight because I think there was a split moment. I didn't realize right away why I was being pulled off this woman. So did you fight Tova?

They're like, Tova, get off. I'm just trying to get her. You said you wanted me to get to know your family. I'm fucking doing it. Oh, my God. And then. See, I didn't know that rule. I didn't know the flying thing.

I didn't know. I didn't know those. I know a little bit about the flying. I know a little bit about the wigs. I know a little bit about the flying. I know a little bit about the wigs. I know a little bit about the wigs. But it is the, I believe it's called the Sabbath. You can't do anything, right? You just can't touch elevator buttons?

Well, you're not allowed to touch. There is something like you can use an elevator if the elevator is doing this thing where it automatically stops at each floor. Well, that's how I feel. That's how I feel. Russell's eye roll. No! Russell's completely not me jay loves all of it because he works in this industry he understands that everyone has a different relationship with god it's so frustrating because and and it's it's hard there's like as i get older i see the community and i go, oh, as you get older and you face the horror that is getting older, you have a community and loved ones and people who support you.

And I'm like, you know what? This shouldn't be undervalued. This cannot be overstated how important it is. And systems, including rules that might not fully make sense, help reinforce a community and make it known. You go to temple every day. Some people are religious, but part of it's just like every week you have to go to the thing and see the people. But then.

Not the people, your people. My people. Yeah. The chosen people. And then you miss a flight and you're like, well, I can't go till Sunday. And you're like, just do it. But do you just do it, though?

Just do it, though. It's easy for you. You're not in the thing. You're not doing all those little things. Yeah. But there's all these like like we went to because when we see Tova's sister, we have to go to a kosher restaurant. And like if you go deeper into the kosher restaurant, like, oh, the rabbi who's in charge of it

got into a fight with this guy, so wouldn't make it kosher. And you realize it's all politics. And they know it's politics. And I'm like, well, if you know it's politics, then can you disregard it? And it's like, well, no, we can't. Can I ask you a question, though?

So when you had barbecue, just brisket, correct? We went out to barbecue. I saw that. Yeah, well, Tova doesn't eat pork. Her mom's a vegetarian. though so when you have barbecue just brisket correct we went out to barbecue all that yeah well well tova doesn't eat pork her mom's a vegetarian her brother does has broken it so so yeah some of them but but uh what'd you have oh i had everything i have the pork i have the pork normally tova and i split so you just you're covered in pulled pork, hugging Tova's sister. Hugging Tova's sister. And I got a cross on it.

I'm pressing it into her forehead. You really are just this like Lothario that's coming in and breaking all of the Jewish rules. Yeah. It's very funny, though, that that's what makes you a bad boy, is you doing stuff like that as you drink a lacroix sparkling water yeah i pulled up on my electric scooter on shabbat i mean it's it's so her her father is observant and her sister is observant and the rest of the family is not but they still respect it and it's but their gradations even within that you can be very observant yeah yeah you can be very observant yeah yeah you can be very observant or you could just you know go to the temple and you still eat the thing i learned last year that

a yankees cap or a mets cap can function as a kippah really yes yes i there's a great stand-up just those two teams are just those two teams i think also maybe also a florida team but that's it maybe this is gary goldman but there's a comedian who goes he said he saw someone with a yarmulke a kippa a kippa that was a watermelon slice and he said i think a god who's okay with you wearing like a watermelon kippa would be okay with you not wearing it sometimes and it felt so true where like even the kipa i borrowed from a brother was like for a basketball tournament he did like in high school like it just i like i like this part of you though though i like you having to

investigate this relationship, not only culturally, but personally. I like it for you. Well, I feel envious where I don't have that community, but from the outside, you can't. I can't be like, okay, well, this. Things on the head. You go to the service.

The head of the person's facing the opposite direction for 90% of the service. And you're like, this is the most boring theatrical event opposite direction for 90% of the service. Just, and you're, you're like, this is the most boring theatrical event I've ever seen in my entire life. And, uh, and it was, it was,

it was stuff like, you know, she wants us to go, uh, meet, meet her family. You did a black room. Why didn't you go to black church while you were in Memphis?

We should have, I'm going to bring Tova to a black church. But like Tova's like, you know, I want us to be closer, meet my family. And then immediately brings me to a room where they put a wall between the two of us.

And we see each other through the wall and we're like, you know, fingers and touching and stuff. And I'm like, there's a degree of like, we're going to do it, but we're not going to take it that seriously. Okay. But we're going to do it for the rest of our lives. Yeah. So, had a good time.

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19th only on Disney+. But now we should talk about you, the problem with Jay Jordan. The all right the problem with jay jordan you're writing so many so jay jordan of them i mean pretty incredibly there was the john stewart uh writing packet day where every comedian it was one of those so like so like i got the submission from uh my agent and i was like oh cool my agent's kind of my agent's really giving me some good writing packets good for them good for you good for them we're churning out there for everyone that was on twitter

and then like and then like one person like sent it to me like hey just you know they're accepting packets i was like oh cool that's a good friend that's a good friend and then like two more sent it to me i'm like okay everyone has this every single person in the universe has access to this packet and uh i keep in mind though at the time this is who was looking for writers charlemagne's show was looking for writers on comedy central i think colbert had just sent something out and it might have been on the tail end or right before fallon sent another thing out so there were like a bunch of feelers out in the air yeah in addition to this packet so i guess, because I don't want to, do you feel pretty free at this job to talk? Like, it's very interesting because Jon Stewart is obviously, he was this huge icon.

Yes. And every time he has like an episode recently or every time he has an opinion that people find a little bit, he's now the god to cut down. You know, and like every time he says something. It's hard to cut down, you know, and like every time he says something and I feel like he really fights to not just say the kind of opinion we all agree on. Yeah, because there are enough people that do that. There are so many people that already do that. He only wants to say the part of the argument that he thinks we're investigating and attempting to better, not necessarily solve solve but at least make some progress and he did it super successfully with the veterans episode in regards to burn pits and so much so that it went from being an episode and an idea and a panel to being a bill that was like passed

in the house and now it's in the senate that's the best example of him saying okay this is something that i really want to think about because the people who don't like that are the people who go well everyone who was over there is a war criminal you go okay well damn it well these war criminals have like chest cancer so like i don't know what you want me to say there is a there is a certain disingenuousness i think about more and more of just like we live in the country that your taxes went to the war criminal too. Like, so if you're going to, if you're really going to live in this world where you say everyone involved

was a war criminal, then you are also a war criminal because you were a part of the system. I was 11 and I wore a bunch of old Navy stuff with flags on it because I was scared. Everyone fucking did it. You know what I'm saying? I was a, I was a kid who was crying in Mississippi in sixth grade because I was scared everyone fucking did it you know what i'm saying i i was a i was a kid who was crying in mississippi in sixth grade because i was like well why would they do this

today like you know what i mean like we were all affected by this 20 year thing that we're still like recovering and kind of like investigating so like that to me is the weird part of the internet and the mob online but he's aware of it he just has so much like experience dealing with it that he kind of goes okay this is worth my time this isn't but does it do you ever see because obviously he has takes it's just the the show is like he's the face of the show yeah and you're a part of this show and he might have opinions you disagree with is it stressful at all do you ever see him getting dragged and go like feel defensive or feel like I want to separate myself from this?

I'm lucky enough that like my identity online is so idiosyncratic and so me that like unless John's talking about bisexual X-Men like I don't know if people are gonna instantly be be like, now we got to get to jail. Something's going on here. He came forward and he said all X-Men are straight. Yeah, I'd be like, well, John, this is something I want taken down. Or I walk.

Because I don't think anyone thinks about me. It takes so long to get to me Like this is how long it takes to get to me We had an episode about race And they came out I want to say almost a month ago And two days ago people were like We found one of the writers This is the person who's the podcast co-host

With John I'm like I got a promotion You got the same accusation I got once of a woke comedian We're in the woke Branch of comedy. Which is so interesting because now if you aren't reactionary and right, and not center right, like right, right, and fun conspiracy theory, like Fauci's the devil, right?

People are like, oh, look at you being woke. I don't think I'm woke. I make fun of woke people a lot yeah which has been your favorite episode of The Problem with Jon Stewart well classically

I don't have Apple TV sure so sure it's a it's a known thing on the podcast I give a lot of shit to my friend

Chris Chung's on a he was our past guest he was on he's on a drama on Apple TV which one is that? no no no no Slow Horses okay exactly I've never heard of that yeah yeah He was our past guest. He's on a drama on Apple TV. Which one? Severance? No, no, no.

Slow Horses. Okay. Exactly. I've never heard of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just got renewed for a second season. It's just like... I saw that clip and I was wondering who was he. And now I feel so...

I feel like it was a dig now. And I'm like, oh, he's on Apple TV? Apple TV, it does have some, Apple TV really does have some shows that make it worth. Prestige. But I have no idea how it's doing. Like, I don't know how many people actually have it.

You want to know something? You will never know. You'll never know. And they have enough money that like, even if it's failing, they'll keep it going. Yeah, but all of them. All of them are failed. like all of them are in debt like netflix yeah yeah like right or is that just no i think so i just i think i think i don't

think apple is because like everyone because everyone has phones and laptops yeah every you always want to go okay so what's making money what's making the money and with apple it's the only company that and amazon where you go okay i know what's making the money i know what's making money. What's making the money? And with Apple, it's the only company that and Amazon where you go, okay, I know what's making the money. I know what's propping this up. I think that if you knew

like the view count on some of these like high budget TV shows, it would make your jaw drop. Just like they have less views than a sketch on YouTube. Some of them, some of them,

not necessarily. I mean, that's why the problem was a huge get for Apple. It's one of the few. And I feel like the Apple, Apple has like a number. They did a good job. But like sometimes Amazon will release a movie and you're like, I've never heard of this.

It's starring mega movie stars who got paid millions and no one will ever see it. All the time on Netflix now. I'm like, what? Sure. But does that make you, as performers, does that make you go? Just that because no one's being seen? Anything can get made at any point now. Sure, sure.

Yeah. Right? It was like Quibi. It was like Quibi where a lot of people got great opportunities making shit for Quibi, and then it vanished. Then it's like, well, they got the money. They got the bag. I know you had an experience.

Did you have a Quibi experience? We were both on the show. We were together on the game show. Oh, holy shit. We were partners on the game show. So those still new, Russell and I were on Eye Candy, recently copied for the Netflix show. Say it.

Is this cake? Is this cake? So the- Made into, took that seven minute episode, made it into 42 minutes. The funniest part about that is that I got an email that was like, you're on this Quibi thing that was going to be similar to this week at the Cellar. It was going to be like, oh my God, off the bleaker street stop. You remember that place?

It's like squirrel now, I think. Wait, caveat? No, no, no, no. There was going to be another, there was going to be like a comedy weekly thing that was going to happen at that. Oh, cool. It's right by Kith, you know. It's right off of the, it's right off of like.

Oh, wait, is it downstairs? Yes. You go, it was there. It's a performance space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. UCB was doing, was renting it out for a while. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're talking about.

Where you performed there. What was that place called? I know what you mean. We did a show there where we would swap jokes. Yeah. I don't even know what happened to it. But they were going to do weekly comedy there, high definition camera, short set up. Your joke

could be your set. If you want to throw in a topical one, the topical joke will definitely make it that week if it pops. And I got an email and I was like, yes, and then like because the covid and everything yeah but it was so funny to see i was like oh this is gonna be really you never shot it never no fuck um and it's like the producer was super excited i knew the producer it was crazy quibi came and it was that was at what year like of all the time less than a year like it was it exploded and then it was just like oh it's done and we one of the few times twitter was right

they were like this ain't going whatever this is it ain't gonna last yeah and all the articles came out they're like we don't know if this is gonna last and it was like we told you it's not gonna last and then it didn't and then I just wish someone could have walked in a 20 year old and said oh when I watch TV shows I like to be on my phone at the same time and they would go

oh fuck that's all it would take that's all it would take for them to realize so now that you're a TV writer do you miss being a stand up comedian

yes I've never done stand up ever since I got the job. I quit. Because I told you. I told Jay. So Jay got this writing job. Jamarga was one of the first people I told.

Yes, I was very flattered. But I told him the story of Anthony Jeselnik, where he got, when The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon first started, that Jeselnik was on the writing team for it, and he asked Dave Attell attell and colin quinn how do i not become a bad comedian like all the other very sweet uplifting positive men how do i he said i've seen so many uh comics turn tv writers and their stand-up starts sucking what do i do and they said it's simple Don't be good at your job.

And I told that story to Jay, knowing that Jay cannot not be good at his job. Yes. But I think the key really is the approach with this show, specifically, is a deep dive on a very, very specific topic with a monologue and a panel and interviews and some interstitials. So I don't have to worry about such a wide area of expertise. I just have to be very specific and funny with the argument that we're making pertaining to this topic.

And that has helped me because all my standup is still very me. argument that we're making pertaining to this topic and that has helped me because like all my stand-up is still very me my stand-up is like i want to say like 50 autobiographical 50 observational but even that observation is through like my autobiographical lens so like i never am worried about being burned out at that because like i don't have any jokes about burn pits, right? Sure, sure. I don't have any jokes about the stock market, about minimum wage. You know what? I do have jokes about Mississippi, but we haven't done that episode yet.

I worry about that when it happens. Is it hard to write for a show that, I mean, I watched the first episode of Full Just, so I was like, oh, this is really serious yeah this is not like a john oliver like a lot of jokes it's like very selective of when you're going to be funny and when you're going to be serious well because it's like you want to get the argument right only because so many people will tell you when you get the argument wrong for these kind of shows if everything is facetious and funny people be like well you just want to make jokes about this this is serious especially when people have cancer you kind of have to be like oh fuck you know what sucks sure for that episode so many

people out of the gate because it was our first one we're like oh this show isn't funny and i don't want to say publications but publications like it's not funny and there is a question of oh this wasn't the second episode which came out at the same time was very funny so we just wanted a lot of people to i guess understand that funny is a spectrum and also like just handle things with the amount of i guess weight they should have. And then when you want to do some silly stuff, do some silly stuff. But that was new as a writer to be like, whoa, okay, people really just want the yuck yucks. Because when I'm on stage as a stand-up, I'm like, okay, here you go, here you go, here you go, here you go.

Are you more the comedy person in the room, or are there more people who are like they're the facts people? Oh, well, we have a PhD. You have like a whole research team so everyone on the comedy side is either uh has either been a comedy writer on multiple shows or has been a stand-up or has been like a writer and an improviser and a character like performer and like written for like sketch stuff like everyone contributes that way the research people because we're gonna get shit wrong all the time research comes to us all the time and is like all right so what

i know what you want to say but we can't say it that way and you're like okay so like make it what's the specific that you're gonna allow us to say because research helps us stay on track and then legal helps us from getting sued so like those two people actually those two kind of branches i actually love because they kind of make it so that our comedy is even more skillful have you been sued yet like the the show been sued no but they warned us about we we had an episode about the stock market and one of the main people that we make fun of his company is very litigious like they warned us even when tweeting about the episode or like quote tweeting we can't mention him by name because they will try to sue writers of the show

wow yeah so that was so exciting though if you got sued that was the that was like the first time that like our head writer was like listen okay so this is actually we've been having a lot of fun but y'all they will try to sue and we're like let's show and they're like no no you they will try to sue you so that's like i mean i've had i've had like the moment because we did a white people episode where people are like that's's kind of racist. Like people got very mad. And then people also, their brains just don't remember anything. So they went from being like, John's got an all women's writing staff because for the behind the scenes for the domestic violence episode, John talked to like the women on staff, including like the executive producer slash showrunner, the head writer another a senior writer at the time uh

another writer and i want to say like an episodes producer and those were all women who work on the show but the comments for that video were like nothing but women writers i'm so sick i hate john and then when we did the when we did the episode about white people which is about race we had like four black people in the room they're like john hired all these black people, which is about race, we had like four black people in the room. They're like, John hired all these black people. His staff is like 80% black. They just don't. You saw the other video. You know that's not the... You think he fired those people

and brought us in? It's so weird. Well, I'm going to keep... I watch the clips more than I do watch the full episodes. It's just the reality. YouTube helps. And we understand that.

I think in aggregate, people are like, we'll put it on YouTube. And everyone's like, we will. You know we're going to. I want to talk about your wedding. Ooh, wow. What's the date again? Are you trying to get me in trouble? Because it's July 10th at the Foundry.

I shouldn't say that, though, because now people know. But yeah, July 10th in Long Island City. Can you imagine if it was a huge outside fan base that showed up to Jay's wedding? And they're doing their vows and they're like, dude, this has got to stop. So we talked a lot about the third in your relationship. Yes, we did. And he's still the third. He's still my boyfriend. He's still a big part of my life.

Yeah. You? Yeah. Yeah, it's you. Yeah. And can I say Garrison? You can say Garrison, yeah. Garrison, does he have a boyfriend or no?

Yeah, him and Brian are still very, very close. I don't know what they call each other because like you kind of can't be like, y'all should call each other this when like the relationship now is like a fiance, fiance and like a good friend who was like part of like arthropal situation. So if you two are at the top of the cake, is Brian like

at like a lower level of the cake? Where is he's going to be at the wedding, right? Yes. I, as an envious human being. Yes. Or should I say as a human being. But I want to ask you.

I can't imagine like watching like my boyfriend or girlfriend getting married to someone else and just being like, cool, cool. Is he going to be, is that night, is that night for the two of you?

Are you going to have a dance where you all hold hands and make a circle? Well, legally he's not entering into that. Explain the math to me. Yeah, I think it's for the two of us. The wedding is for the two of us. Sure. Does Brian have another boyfriend? He might at this point.

I don't know. You don't know? How often do you talk to him? I talk to him today. Well, he's not marrying Brian. Yeah, but he's your boyfriend. Aren't you curious? Were your boyfriends other boyfriends?

Do you think I would have the audacity to say, you better not be dating anyone? No, but it's more just like, so marriage, the concept of marriage is still we cling onto this idea till death do you part. Yes, yes, yes. We've evolved to a certain degree

and it's like, you know, till the kid's out of the house do we depart yeah but do do when you get married to garrison to you is it like is does that resonate till death do us part this is my life partner yeah garrison is my life partner we've built a life together we've been together for 10 years. You know what I mean? Like it's one of those things where like Garrison's been there for a very long time. So the marriage is a number of things would be easier if we were married. That's a big part of it. Of course. Also, people have been asking.

We've been engaged for six years. There are like a number of factors that we were like, oh, we should get married. Now, so you get married. Yes. And then, Brian, you continue to get close. You still have your boyfriend. After 20 years of him as a boyfriend, what if he said, I'd love to be married too,

even if not legally? Well, then you do that. There are people that I think that get like unofficially throuple married or they just have like a person who is like part of the relationship forever. Yeah. And legally you can't maybe take the extra step, but like in social circles and like,

I guess just privately, I know a couple that's married that has like a boyfriend and they like everything is like on the table and i think it works for them but also if someone this sounds cold if someone experiences this and then says oh i want to have what you have i want to break off from this you don't get to tell that person no of course of course well russell you've told me about wanting to open up your marriage and i guess it just it's just okay okay the first time john marco asked me about it though it was like a very i remember about your marriage russell the first time john marco told me no uh

because you were describing the fact that like commitment is like a is like this weird dance that you think people have to do or people pretend to do but can't you you can be committed to multiple people at multiple levels listen I just think that once you've set up this you know if you've been yeah you've been with Garrison for 10 years you've set up this, you know, if you've been with Garrison for 10 years, you've been with your boyfriend for a while. I feel like it would be strange that it would become a problem. It's more this. It's like a house of cards. It's like a house of cards.

Two cards. There's a lot. You know, it's delicate. No. You hope to say that. And then you add a third one like this. You're just more likely for something to collapse. To help support it.

Yeah, I think you add the third one on the bottom to actually make it. It's not that, and this is, no way is it me like, this is weird. It's more like, I just, it's like relationships are so challenging. And in a way, like most heterosexuals, like there's just this template laid out for us. Yeah. Which also is, you know, I mean, the percentage of people who have cheated and then or who What do you think it is? What?

The number of people who cheat and it would be alleviated if they were able to say oh i want to go hook up with this person can i hook up with this person sure listen i don't fully disagree and i'm hedging my words because i have a girlfriend and like like the the idea of of my girlfriend being like oh yeah i'm cool with like loosening it up a little bit. To me, I'm like, not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And I don't want to make some grand statement about men or women, but it's not going to happen.

And it's not going to happen with like a lot of them. There's going to be a couple. And there's a lot of men who want men. I'm not saying every man's like, I'd love to do this. But I'm saying in general, I just don't see it ever. Generationally, I think it's like it's rising incrementally. I think. I don't have the numbers.

I think even among straight couples, ethical, you don't want to say ethical, non-monogamy, but a discussion on what their specific rules are. If everyone's having threesomes, then someone's doing this. But the reason in defense of monogamy and thinking about how – I'm going to get you in trouble. So what's a threesome then? What's a threesome? Is that just like a one-time visit?

Yeah, when you have threesomes, what's – I just call it Friday night. No, it can be all sorts of different things. Can't take an airplane. It can be all sorts of... It depends on the people. Listen, I think there's a

world where I can visualize. I can see it as food. If I were to be like full on like baby you're saying like can you be the only one who cooks food for me too like it's just a thing it's just a whatever it's activity you adopt that voice but i don't think that analogy helps but i feel like in defense of monogamy in defense of like if you're having like a child with someone and children is where children is where I'm like, all right, here's a new element. But that's because you want the child to be yours because you only want to give your stuff

to someone that you feel is from your bloodline. Sure. That's where that comes from. But let's go for it. Let's so, so you're, there's, there's a certain degree of when you have sex, chemicals are released, you feel intense, you feel things. Mm-hmm. degree of when you have sex chemicals are released you feel intense you feel things and and uh there's a degree of like if a man doesn't sleep with other women and i'm just talking about men because it's

the only one i can speak to my where if a man doesn't sleep with other women then that that that temptation might not be as throbbing to like be with this other woman or leave the family okay men have left the family for some good pussy. Yes. But probably bad pussy too. Probably bad pussy too. So there's a thought of like yeah you know what

rein this in because it increases the chances of you abandoning your family. Now you can then look at the evidence and go well look at all these men that are fucking ruining the family even worse because they didn't just get a couple. Maybe there are some men out there

that could have had sex with 10 other times outside of their marriage and been fine. Is it just hand jobs could help with this? What would alleviate? I don't think hand jobs, I don't think for my girlfriend or for plenty of people's girlfriends, it's about the intimacy or the fear of like, then you're going to go there for it. And that's the end.

My only question is that if male sexuality in America is this like river that needs tributaries or else it destroys everything in its path then shouldn't you like at least create a system so that there are like levees and i don't disagree but the problem is i just don't think i agree with and i feel like with gay men that there's a degree of like an understanding of like how sex could be very like a massage or yes i agree very hey what's up but do you think but then do you think that's hard do you think to to jay's point do you think it's generational do you think like younger people are less will be less like i i think younger people have an ego where they think they're free of certain traditions. And as they get older, the traditions start seizing them. What's interesting is that I've seen it also flip flop in that younger queer people are becoming more puritanical and that younger straight people are becoming more sexually liberated and freer. That's been very interesting to see i had a gay friend a gay guy

who was very frustrated by the inability to find a monogamous partner yeah and then i also want to tell him well then you if you're that mad then you just you can lie you can just be straight and lie well okay because because i feel like i'm defending monogamy and I'm like, okay, well, you're the one who's fucking married. You're monogamous. And what have you, do you, why? Yeah, I don't, that's interesting. Well, that's what we agreed upon and want. I think I feel funny about the thing.

I don't feel the need to defend monogamy, but I also feel the most comfortable, and that's what I want to be doing. But I don't feel like I need to defend it either. You don't think there's ever in your life you go, ah, let me go. But Gianmarco. You're in Vegas.

But Gianmarco, it it's not that's the thing it's like it's not Russell being like man I'm gonna go like on a rager with like a bunch of crazy antics

cause like how old are we collectively cause that also happens too where you're like I'm not trying to do all that I'm just trying to like have fun

you're 42 so you're it's not getting up anymore I'm 36 you're 36 people will be you know what I'm saying that to like have fun. You're 42, so it's not getting up anymore. I'm 36. You're 36. People will be, you know what I'm saying? That's the other thing that we're talking about. Like a friend who's also part of your life as a lover,

but also is like a person you go to nice restaurants with. This is not a random 20-year-old. I agree. There is something very stressful about talk even just talking to friends that are like actively dating yeah it is exhausting to me to hear about it absolutely a way of like so i'm like i got this thing i really like i'm gonna keep like that's i'll keep my thing real small like and you get to put a lot of amazing energy into that yeah but here's what happens

john margo okay okay what if this is okay i'm gonna do this what if there's a couple that's also very close with you and tova and y'all go on a bunch of like double days together and you enjoy it and then like i don't know look at his know everyone gets stoned and people and people like kind of dance and hug and kiss and it's not sex but it's intimate and it was a night with another couple what's that yeah what's that what's that it's not enough i'm just saying The rules Like Cause then you'll see Cause you'll see

Older couples And you'll be like Oh they're like Maybe they're not swingers But they're like Swinger adjacent They definitely like Get drunk and dance

With other couples And for some old people That's just as crazy as sex It's slow dancing With someone else's husband What do you mean That's as crazy as Penetrating someone With with someone else what do you mean that's as crazy as i'm penetrating someone with your genitals you that like intimacy for some people just means like sex but it also means like hugging and date nights and caressing so it's like a weird

it's a it's a little bit of a i think it's a it's a spectrum that you can enjoy. Sure. I just think, all right, this is, it's very hard to talk about gender things without like making a grand statement. And this is what I'll say. This is, this is,

this is, that's, that's the, I've tried to work on it. That's my favorite joke of yours recently. They really do? I mean, yeah,

it's like, it's like, you know, that's an old hacky joke but then you have a girlfriend and sometimes you're like, they really do be. They really do be. I,

listen, I think there's so much about like gender comedy where it's like, it's, I don't know, where there's like, there's stuff there. I've dated enough women to have like a certain degree of like, well, this pattern has where there's stuff there. I've dated enough women to have a certain degree of like, well, this pattern has emerged. Can I talk about the pattern that I've lived through? Yes, you can talk about the pattern that you lived through,

but your sample size is so small that you do have to be like, okay, now this is what I've observed, and maybe I'm wrong, but then I need some help. It was so funny, John Mulaney, he ended up apologizing for the joke later where he said there could never be an all-woman's Ocean 11 because two of the women would break off to talk shit about the other nine.

And it was a great joke and so funny on multiple levels. Number one, first it's true. Second, they did come up with an all-woman's Ocean 11 and it was Ocean's 8, so he was correct. The number was not 11. And he had to apologize for it, even though

you know his opinion did not change about it. When did he have to? That's what they took him to task for. That's what it was. I mean, apologize also for that joke, because you get to say, if anything happened in the past, that's the best part of the joke. So you get to say, oh, that was,

I won't do it again. You don't have to say I'm sorry right after you get to say, oh, that was, I won't do it again. Yeah. You don't have to say, I'm sorry, right after you did it. But then people can go, I didn't like this joke. You go, oh, I won't do that again. You hear sometimes, Birbiglia had a joke something about like, basically, it was essentially a saying, every woman is crazy. And it like, like it truly, that was the joke. It was, it was like, you know, I'm not saying all women are crazy. Just every single woman I've ever met.

Like something like that. I did not laugh at that. I just think Birbiglia, it's very, he has, I'm not saying all women are crazy, just every single woman I've ever met. Like something like that. I did not laugh at that. I just think Birbiglia, it's very, he has a bunch of female openers. He has a bunch of women that open for him now. And that's what makes it all better. But I don't think heterosexual cis couples will ever will ever even come close even come within 50% of

the kind of open-ish relationships you're talking about and the further the sexist statement is that if we were to weigh

which gender influenced that from ever not happening it would be more would you say the people who have to deal with that shit for fucking nine months slash like 18 years yeah that's why if i

have to be like that's why yeah they don't want you running around because they got to do with something while you're running around but i do think there's such an argument to be made that like there's so many men out there who i think could be great family people, husbands, partners, and women too. But I'm thinking about all the men I know in my life who have cheated, including my father. Yes. And I'm like, I think I'm glad we finally got to It's all about my dad.

I do have to believe By the way, very handsome man. Every now and then John Marco posts an old pic and I'm like, God, this is a fox. I see how. I see how. Mom's very hot too. Your mom too. Everyone's hot. Okay, but old pic, and I'm like, God, this is a fox. I see how. I see how. Your mom's very hot, too. Your mom, too.

Everyone's hot. Okay, but here's, and I don't think this is. Oh, that mom pic? Do people bother you about the mom pic still? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to one place where they thought she was my girlfriend. Wait, still? They thought my mom. Oh, currently.

Still. I'm going to tell my mom you said that. I was talking about the old pic. Still? That old pic? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But so Tova and I were looking at old pictures of my mom's, and we found pictures of my dad's wedding.

And she said something along the lines of how good my mom looked and how could he throw it all away. Like some kind of comment of like how could he. Your mom said that. No, no, no, Tova. Oh, Tova. Something just like how could he your mom said that no no no tova something just like how could he like destroy this life and part of me was like well because he was horny and he just

wanted to fuck something he saw and it's just like he didn't necessarily want to destroy it he just had a sexual urge that maybe in a different world he could have done those things and continued. He's not a good example because he's crazy. I'm sure there are people out there who could have been amazing units and could have slept with people and still been

completely dedicated to their partner. Witnessing you get married with another dude that's your boyfriend. I mean, someone in the 1900s they would have they would have jumped off a cliff they'd be so confused yeah and and it's interracial at that point you're right in the 1900s yeah which is also what they would be like which am i more upset about gay a third person or interracial I have no idea what to do You know like those old plays

Where like they send a woman To the loony bin because she just Experienced too much That's what would happen to them Your marriage is like when they said If we let men marry each other What will be next You're the thing they would use as an example

I have a joke where I say I'm getting like married and everyone else is too if the Democrats win. And like that. To me, it's also like very fun to play with some rules. Like I don't call my mom and go, oh, yeah, I'm going to have like our boyfriend at the wedding. But like people who know like you know about brian like other people can ask about brian it's a very it's a very interesting concept for me because like they know how serious garrison and i are do you think at the wedding if brian comes up to you and says it was so beautiful and gives you a kiss would you give him a kiss at the wedding oh yeah i'm

gonna they're gonna be x hookups at the wedding i'm gonna kiss so many boys on the mouth at the wedding you're coming there's so many people i'm gonna kiss on the mouth of my wedding one side of all the guys uh garrison is fucked one side all the guys and then like in the middle which is probably more than either side that you've both fucked at the same time so you got the invite good uh no it's in my calendar very excited for it it's it's a it's i i more look at it and i'm just like part of it's like oh this is incredible it's it's it because it seems like you're maintaining a a full relationship while also like being able to do the the things you want to do. It just feels freer, but it seems hard to imagine.

But there's also the element of, and this gets into very, very specific dynamics. Like Brian moved to California and lives in L.A. now with a car and apartment in Los Angeles. So there's also a part of me that's like, he's going to have an amazing life out there. If that includes dating someone currently or dating someone after we get married, am I supposed to be like, no, come back the new, no, you know what I'm saying? So there's also a freedom on his end that isn't necessarily. The level of emotional maturity, I feel like it requires because you have to communicate constantly. If he felt like, you know what, if he started feeling like, you know, this wedding makes me feel like not special anymore. And I want to, like, it requires so much.

But you have to say that. You have to be able to say, I'm feeling less than important currently. But that's a dialogue that I think people have usually with their primary partner, I would hope. But also you just have to know how you feel about things and say, I don't really like this. Or I'm okay with this. Or I'm jealous about this, but I also understand. Because jealousy will happen regardless. Jealousy happens professionally.

Jealousy happens like personally. Jealousy happens like kind of indiscriminately throughout the day. If Garrison slept with Gerard Carmichael, how upset would you be? It would make me laugh almost as much as the special. Now that I shouldn't have said it, but I did. I would I would laugh. It would be very funny. It's also like whenever you talk talk about who sleeps with comedians,

once you sleep with more than one comic and you're not a comic, I look at you weird. You know what I'm saying? George Carlin had the classic. He said, people who fuck comedians, it's like going to a circus and wanting to fuck the monkey. And he's like, these are weird people that go to see the person that makes them laugh and goes to them for sex i think that's like that's the thing and it's the going to multiple people if you're a comic and you're

like fucking other comics and it like starts to rack up i'll be like oh that's just who you're around yeah like but if you're an if you're a non-comedian and you've fucked more than two comedians that's like even me like a person who's like woke enough and like sexually liberated enough and like forward and progressive thinking enough to be like oh do whatever you want to do oh my gosh this is a beautiful ethically non-monogamous relationship if i see someone who's like a for real chuckle fucker i'm like that's kind of gross yeah that's you know that's nasty you know that have you heard the term the chuckle fucker yeah it is weird if it feels like a very like like a 70s term but have you fucker you this is gonna sound crazy the only thing that would ever make me jealous of of garrison of like the

man i'm going to marry is if he was like oh that person's comedy is so much better than yours i would rather watch them do comedy what a shitty thing to say that'd be so mean but that's what i'm saying it had to be that specific to that degree enjoying someone's comedy because like i want him no but i want him to enjoy other people stand up because he knows all my shit. There's a level of the way that I do stand-up that once you've seen me do it three or four times, you kind of go, oh, okay, it's just going to be a bunch of jokes really fast. I know what's happening.

And there's some people that are going to blow you away because they're going to get naked on stage. And the crowd's going to be like, you're not allowed to do it. You know what I'm saying? I understand that there are going to be different people that elicit different laughs from him. I like, there's a picture of him laughing at someone one time. And, uh, I was like,

Oh, you were laughing at like that specific person on the lineup. And he was like, Oh yeah, I love them. And I'm like, they're very funny. They're so different than me.

So I'm glad you got to experience that. Which joke of mine was it? John Marco, you're on the list, but in this in the i like john marco's stuff and we like john marco's stuff that's what actually would make it this super messy if we went through like me and garrison's comedy talks on this fucking oh my god well because he knows rules now and so he can have opinions and like sometimes i'm like well you you're right but you can't say this you can't tell and like sometimes i'm like well you you're right but

you can't say this you can't tell other what you just said like that's between you just harsh about like their whole persona or their whole he'll see it and then he'll go well why didn't they write a joke right there and you'll be like i tell you the game tovin i play where if we watch a special if she can guess three of the punchlines, we have to turn it off. Oh. And yeah. You've turned off a few?

We've turned off a few. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think if we go back to the Patreon, a cool Patreon would be you and your wife open up your marriage for a month. No. And then we have you both on. That's very stressful.

That would be a very exciting. Their apps for, you gotta, the app that all the couples use now is Field. How do you spell that? F-E-E-L-D. Field.

Look it up right now. Here's the thing. The thing is like, just this episode, just the talking of this episode, Tove and I will have a conversation about this episode. Oh, we won't.

Nicole does not listen, so. But guess what? what guess what i'm gonna splice it like you have an open marriage with nicole and you're saying yeah yeah but sometimes on twitter people be like jay has a boyfriend i didn't know and i'll be like yes you did i talk about that's such like online personas are like perpetually single unless like there's a girlfriend or a boyfriend in every pic. You know what I mean? Sure. Like you have to constantly be bombarding them with like this is us doing something for people to be like, oh, I see this as a joint account. Yeah.

I feel like even homophobic men are probably like see it and go like, oh, that's that's amazing. You can fuck whoever you want. I'm sure like there is like a degree of like god damn but there's like also a degree of them being like well that's i mean but that's also that's why it's a sin and you're like wait what that's that's when you start to like play with christianity we're like yeah you shouldn't be doing all that you need to have a harem of women yes that understand and respect your godliness yes you're quoting someone very specific i am that you showed me there's like this weird rule with like older black men they're like oh man you know you gotta be gay to make it in hollywood i'm like i don't think you have to i think that there are gay people in the arts and the arts are in

hollywood yeah like i don't think anyone became an amazing seamstress and then was like you know what i think i'm gay that's you know like i don't think the hair and makeup guy got did gay stuff to get the hair and makeup gig yeah this this comedian you're referencing i remember once he went on he's a very funny comedian but like you know has these old school views and it's uh you know i think about it a lot sometimes i think we might have talked about last time where it's like there's a lot of comedy spaces where they want to diversify yeah and i think about like some of the older black comedians who are phenomenal artists yes but would say some shit that in those spaces the way that they've cultivated the rule system was not with these people in the room oh no no they would come in there and they would say this this guy told me a joke that shit that shit and we can we can talk about it there

be times at um at uh oh my god what's right the train passes by whenever you do it oh you're talking about tiny covers tiny a tiny cover where they just you'd see a lineup and be like oh well that person's gonna piss the folks off because they they know it was a comedy show at night but they forget it was like deep in bushwick and you'd be like oh i don't know if the septum piercings and blue hair are gonna love this i'm waiting for the joke where they say faggot okay that's it uh-huh uh-huh and it wasn't a joke it's just two guys sitting in the front row next to each other you two yeah you too gay uh this this guy told me a joke uh this is a really vile but this is a joke someone else said about like something about like do you know how gay babies are made it was something about like

when you're having sex with your your pregnant wife it goes in the baby's butt it goes in the girl's butt no it goes in the in the baby inside yeah and that's how it becomes gay when you shouldn't have sex with like a pregnant your pregnant wife because you're gonna fuck the baby and then the baby will be gay some like a vile joke about like that's how if like that's how gay babies are made yeah and it was just there's just i'm like i can i like think about like ucb wanting to be more diverse and then and then this comic coming and telling that joke and them not being able to fucking reconcile at fucking all what to do with that and i feel like that part of the comedy conversation

is never spoken about at all well it's because people don't know how to talk about sexuality in regards to like generational differences one time and how to like to degree like well what do we allow in these spaces yeah this is where like safe this is where the concept of safe spaces i'm like well it can become and it's always complicated to talk about because you're i'm i'm i'm desperately trying to not be like all older black men joke about this but i'm like some of them do there was one time where we had a conversation and we like talked about a specific joke that someone does and i was like i was like well he's allowed to be racist against asian people because he's an old black man and he's been doing that same set since oh5 like I don't know you'll be like that's racist

I'm gonna leave cause I don't wanna have to be the person who's like good set but like you know you can cause you can say oh man what the fuck was that that's all you can say to them cause they're gonna be like great right and you'll be like okay

I mean when you retired your accent Asian accent that that was my favorite are you getting like one of those a thing and now you're just i love it it's my favorite thing to do um uh well this was this was lovely let's get to our next segment uh this has got to stop this has got to stop this has got to stop do you have one for us oh yes this this is going to be controversial. Oh. All right. This has got to stop. People doing the lowest commitment, the lowest engagement level, the lowest level of work when it comes to lip syncing. It was an art form.

It was an art form that a lot of drag queens use. And this is specifically non-musical lip syncs this is what happened a lot of queens in new york city in san francisco in los angeles in chicago in milwaukee in atlanta they'll have non-musical elements to their mixes something from a popular tv show probably like a housewives quote then people saw bowen do it online a lot and they were like oh i can make some money doing this. And then they started doing it. And then a few people got popular.

And now everyone has the lip sync to everything. I don't think everyone needs to lip sync to everything. I'm sorry. It's like the laziest thing you can do now. I feel like an asshole when I say it. And people say, oh, Jay, you're gatekeeping. I feel like an asshole when I say it And people say OJ you're gatekeeping But it is the lowest

Form of you being creative It's so hard To watch online now I did see a comedy show recently Where this was used And There was this weird thing Where when it's not that good

It really highlights That we're just laughing at the the bit from the show the clip the bit from the movie we're just laughing at the movie let's watch the movie watch that that's the funny thing that we're you you didn't when you're when you're not doing a good technical job and you didn't create the content yes it's it is a little like what's this and you haven't you're not you're not you're you're just in front of us and like the thing that also pisses me off is you have added no extra layer to it yeah that's another thing like maybe you add an extra layer to it maybe it's in a different setting and you're applying this particular set of sounds and reactions to this

other setting and i can see from the caption that that's what this is and from the costume and from the setting great cool but if it's just like you in your apartment doing a thing to a thing that already exists that's already funny what the fuck am I supposed to take away from that

what that you have a phone I'm asking and I know it's gonna piss some people off well who's are a lot of people What? That you have a phone? I'm asking. And I know it's going to piss some people off. Well, are a lot of people doing it still? I mean, Sarah Cooper blew up doing it. I know you're not saying Sarah Cooper. It's not even that. And Sarah Cooper did a good job.

Bowen Yang did a good job. I'm talking about the lowest form of that. I'm talking about the fact that when you're on Facebook Reels and when you're on IG Reels, when you're on TikTok, people are just not trying to do anything but lip syncing. Yeah. There's nothing added to it. They're just saying a thing that already exists. Have you ever done a lip sync?

No. I tried my Sarah Cooper parody. Remember I did? It was like a Nixon interview. I was like, I'll be the next Sarah Cooper. I'll do it with Richard Nixon. And first of all, it took forever to get the shot right. And then it bombed.

No, and the other thing is that the impressive part about Bowen was that he was doing it while it was playing and the words were coming out. And there were some other people who hold up a laptop and do the same thing. And I guess I'm supposed to be slightly as impressed if it's like a popular thing i just don't it it will never blow my mind no i'm sorry i'm an asshole i'm a conservative i'm a republican i'm fucking q anon i'm marjorieie Taylor Greene on this. But this is dangerous to our children.

Look at me. I think that it's going to create a bunch of people who think that this is a skill set or it's funny. You know what's funny, though? I saw someone play a fucking clip from Arthur at a comedy show. They just played a clip from a TV show at a comedy show. What the played a clip from a TV show at a comedy show. What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? I'm serious.

You know what's funny though? Jamarco, why aren't you as mad as me? Well, I think because I don't do these Brooklyn comedy shows where people are lip syncing. Oh my God. No, but what the fuck is this? But it's also funny because I feel like

in the evolution of getting older, this is connected to a branch to participation trophies because in a way, you're saying like, you're not actually doing anything. You're not making anything. You don't deserve any clout or respect for this. Anyone can do it. You didn't even make the art.

You're just participating. No, I can. But no one. But people gave those kids participation trophies. People gave those. Are you saying I'm giving them views? No, you're right in terms of like, I think doing it online for whatever, it's about people like responding to it.

Doing it at a show is insane. And we have a system with some of these new shows where like, part of you is like, bring back booing. We need to bring back someone going, boo, what is this? Or just someone going, what was that? Well, like, seriously, what do you want? I would so much rather someone like, bring back booing. I would rather someone roll around on the ground in to a physicality and to a physical bit that is

like part of a legacy of clowning and actual theater than someone just repeating not even words just like mouth placement of a thing that's already popular and funny that's the thing if you don't elevate it what i can watch nini leaks because i have bravo i'm serious show the nini clip um i i i yeah i i agree i think i think you touched on something interesting i think it is hard there are times where you're like i know this is bad i know this sucks but to talk about it feels like an old like like yeah we're constantly having that thing more and more every year where i'm like i know this one thing is terrible it's stupid it's a dumb thing that blah blah and i there's no value to it but but when you complain about it it it sounds like you're...

And then people... Because I get on TikTok and I'm like everything on there. But it will get there. It will get there. I get mad about people just in their kitchen. I think it will get there.

Once people's moms and dads start doing lip syncing too... They are. That's what I'm saying. That's the shit that I'm telling you is pissing me off because it's that. It's just you folding towels.

Yeah. Saying you're... What? It's just normal people in their like suburban houses in their dumb this is why I say back to booing

this is why we've lost cruelty in comedy to a certain degree we've lost cruelty and part of the reason we lost cruelty is because

it also reinforced a very patriarchal misogynistic blah blah blah but we can we can we can there was a lot in that.

We can take down We can take down We can take down the patriarchy while still maintaining the mean-yarchy. Yes. Meanness. Like that article about Gerard Carmichael's special,

which was like, you see, comedy doesn't have to be mean. This is the future. And it was like, meanness is part of human nature. What you want is not human. Meanness is, meanness is a cleansing.

It's a tool. It's how people become self-aware. I would even, I would even argue there's a very famous film about how girls can even be mean. There's just, there's like a very, there's's a very you can't say anything bad about anything energy currently when it comes to things comedically if something doesn't actually invoke pathos and like create some sort of like emotional like response from you on a dramatic

side people can say, I wasn't moved. You can say, I wasn't moved and not be a mean person. It's so hard for people now to be like, that's not, I don't. Didn't make me laugh.

Not only didn't make me laugh, like, why are you doing that? Like, who's that for? Yeah, who's that for? Who's that for? That's a good question. That's a good question, though. That's a good question.

A lot of comedy things. But that's why, I can understand how people on the road get angry because I'll go to Chuckle's Comedy House and I'm like, I know people who are crushing it here. And I'm like, you would get booed here. Here's where you would be booed. You don't know what the world is. You know, T.I. just got booed. I know, T.I. At Barclays. We didn't T.I. just got booed. I know, T.I. At Barclays.

We didn't talk about this. He got booed. Could you imagine the Barclays Center booing you? Oh my God, can I tell you another crazy thing? You know, someone else got booed on that show. I love how you're whispering on the podcast into the mic. But yes, who got booed? You know who got booed on that show.

Who? Yeah. Who? Yeah Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh no Do you actually know? I do Okay

I don't I do You do That sucks They talked about it on the radio Oh, they talked about it on the radio They said his name Oh, they did

Yeah Well, I'll look that up i uh it was you russell they played one of your sketches on there and the whole crowd booed no it was a person whose energy can be a very funny contrast to that type of show sometimes and they're used as a contrast to fun, emotional black joy because they have the 100% opposite energy. I know your website, a contrast to black joy. It is. When you hear black joy, black joy is like, oh, that's black joy.

And they come in very much like this. And so that person got booed that's what they say on the radio this morning someone someone had the line they say black people uh when they left they changed locations oh yeah which is one of the which one of the black people cannot stay still and like be happy it's usually because their dog's after us but it's like right if you you i will say this is how argument historically if we were laughing is because we just escaped something sure that's that's why we're like you see that line that's canada that's what happened um all right let's move on to our final You better count your blessings Russell, you got a blessing other than your faithful wife? Yeah.

Oh, well, I had a nice... We had a great show, Uncle Function's show. It was like one for the record. It was a great, great show. And this nice thing that doesn't happen... Sometimes you do these shows and you're like, who's... I mean, people were there. It was a big, great show. And this nice thing that doesn't happen, sometimes you do these shows and you're like, who's, I mean, people were there. It was a big, big crowd.

But you're also like, we've been doing this for a long time. Is this certain? You're like, was the industry here? No. But I have a nice little callback based off of people that were there. Which is incredible. Which is a nice thing.

We like that. This was what UCB, there used to be a day where you'd be like, you were motivated partially because you're like, I'm going to do my best here and people are going to see it. And if it's great, this could result in career opportunities. It's been a while since something like that happened. So it was a nice little thing. Yeah. I hope you get it.

If you get it, are you going to still be able to do the pod? I'm doing it. I'll be able to do everything. Good, good, good. Yeah. I don't care about the other things I feel that way about a TV show that

I auditioned for that blew up and I'm so happy it blew up and it's going amazing but I was like oh man that's crazy I'm like I'm very happy for them my blessing is of course gonna be Tova's family I'm like, I'm very happy for them. Oh, good.

My blessing is, of course, going to be Tova's family. I got to see a lot. I got to hang out with her brothers, too. And her brothers was very chill. And I think Tova was nervous. We both have our own relationships with our family. And they were all lovely. They took great care of me. They paid for the meals.

She was very grateful. Big deal. Very grateful. They helped me with rides. They came to the shows. Her brother came to both shows. Buts and seats. Buts and seats.

They laughed. Her dad had like a very sweet, like he came into the room and he was like, I think you have a good chance of making it. Oh, that's what you want.ment yeah okay she made the the ig story post did you actually tell the blowjob joke i told the blowjob okay all right for those listening it's uh my girlfriend was orthodox she's been teaching me a lot about jewish culture customs a couple weeks ago she was

giving me a blowjob i heard to go and that's hebrew for wrap it up and one of my favorite jokes but for her to talk about it on the ig i was like well let's see tova tova was tova definitely like started getting nervous leading up to the show because because we went to this temple and the rap was like oh tell him to come and them to come and i was like no what's going on and uh it was funny because tova's nervous but like her parents are like, oh, do whatever. Like no one gave a fuck except Tova had that thing. Of course. And I think I avoided

like one or two jokes. It was strange the ones that she happened to care about but there was that thing where she was like, can you not do this? Can you not do this one?

And I started becoming like comedian boy and I was like, baby, I'm a comedian. I can't control. I get on the mic and like I just spit, you know? I just spit. I talk periods, blowjobs. I can't I can't control I get on the mic And like I just spit

You know I just spit I talk periods Blowjobs I can't help myself Come come come Is that scene In like at the beginning

Of so many specials Where it's like Man you know what Go up there And just fucking Rip that shit Just go be you Jean-Marco

And then come off stage And hug my sister Yeah Absolutely Andrew Schultz had a Crowd work special And it started out with Like a scene behind this

Where one guy's like Yo you gonna do that Top of the dome shit you do And he's like What do you mean You know when you just like Off You riff it up there

And he's like Alright sure And it was like It was just It was such a corny You do that Top of the dome shit And it was a great special

Andrew Schultz Very good comedian But it was a great special andrew schultz uh very good comedian but it was just very it was oh my god it's very funny we're like and in rap especially like watching kanye uh the documentary like there is this he's at the improv for some scene and you know getting a comedian he uses a comedian's riff in one of the music videos and you see in a way i'm not close to the rap world at all but you see how these are these are the similar worlds in terms of climbing and and i think like rappers really do get away with this insane level of like yeah this is real this is like my soul in a way where comedians you'd be laughed to smithereens but you're both doing the same thing

and like some comedians there are moments you do to, you have that like inkling of wanting to be like, I said to Tove, I was sharing like some bits about my dad's heart attack. Yeah. And I really, for a second, I got emotional. I was like,

no, this is me. This is my art. Yeah. And like rap, I think you get away with a lot more of like, yeah, this is my soul.

This is my heart. Probably. Cause it's like, you don't have to, there's not a, there's not connected to having to have a laughter. But at the end, you're going in a booth

and there's a half of it's like, yeah, mm-hmm, ha ha, what? J. Margo, that's the pickup. That's the ad lib pickup.

You put the lyrics down first. I love, but like, like, like they'll show Kanye like with, with Mos Def or like at a party and they start freestyling and like Kanye like they'll show kanye like with with uh most def or like at a party and they start freestyling and like kanye like gets intense with it and it's cool to watch but at the same

time if we were like in a group and i was like and then i broke into like that's like those old herbal essence commercials you remember those where like and i went into like a whole chunk it'd be like oh shut the fuck up i think the freestyle i think like Any cypher Is a bit more akin To like riffing on a bit Like what we did With the marriage callbacks And with like The hug callbacks Sure

But he was not Freestyling This is something he wrote Before Oh you mean him Just being passionate About Oh yeah

But then Then There is an element Of like Oh you Okay we doing this Cause cameras here Like there's like a

Sure sure Cause And it was good You also can't keep using Kanye as the like Example of the There is an element of like, oh, you, okay, we doing this because cameras here. Like there's like a. Sure, sure. And it was good. You can't keep using Kanye as the like example of the entire rap world. It's a very specific personality. I like that you're kind of like extending the olive branch to Kanye from the comedy community after he threatened us. Listen, I love freestyle. I love rap. If I become successful soon, I do think like in my 50s, a love freestyle. I love rap. If I become successful soon, I do think in my 50s, a rap album could happen.

I appreciate when people say that facetiously. What I don't like is, and this kind of happens a little bit too much, where comedians really start thinking they're rappers and like you're like why do you have a huge posse as a comedian you can have security you can have like a homie you maybe can have like a person who writes down the stuff you said when you were doing this drop in but once it gets past like three people i'm'm like, you're not a rapper, dog. You don't need. You stop being funny because what's your joke?

Like, you know when your boy, you tell him to go get a salad and he forgets the extra dressing? And it's just like, oh, you're too detached from like real people problems. Like that's the problem with the posse. Yeah, you know when your guy like says these scallops are fresh. You're like, man, I don't know. These scallops. I don't guy like says these scallops are fresh and you're like, man, I don't know. These scallops, I don't, are these bay scallops?

You know when your bodyguards are beefing with each other and you're like, guys, you need to be focused on me, number one. You know when you get your entire crew new cars

and someone complains about their car, it's like one of those like, oh, you, you're, you're funny to different people now. You're not funny to me. you're funny to different people now you're not funny to me you're funny to

someone else larry david's one of the few people who i think somehow with money still still was able to complain about things that feel related i think it's the pebble in the shoe theory yeah he's constantly irritated not because money made him more comfortable. Money actually made him more hyper-visible so you can see his discomfort with everything. Pebble in a shoe, it bothers you whether you're wearing Crocs. Yeah, or Ferragamo loafers. I don't know enough about shoes to even... I was like, what's a shoe?

What's a nice shoe? And I came in, I helped you very quickly. Do you have a blessing? Oh, yes. very quickly um do you have a do you have a blessing oh yes i am very very grateful to be a working stand-up and a writer on a show so that's something that i have been able to say in the microphones enough because you don't want to say it when you get up on stage you'll be like i'm so glad that this shit could go either way because i got a job waiting for me but like being a writer being a staff writer and a comic is something like in new york city where like comics are good and like the writing is fun and good like that's it's a fucking dream i never thought you're still

doing the real comedy i mean i'm sure there's there's some writers and they do they stand up once a month or whatever they really phase out but you're still i am still in the trenches as they say yeah people get sick of it they don't want me to be yeah um all right well uh let's see this episode is coming out on april 26th so russell any plugs yeah saturday may 14th uncle function asylum nyc um any plugs from you Jay? Oh yes come to Union Hall May 21st Jay Jordan just jokes again It's me doing an hour Of stand up comedy

And that's it Did you know you could just do an hour Of jokes An hour of repeatable fun Fast paced comedy Do you sing any Sondheim songs without saying that he's the one who wrote it? Alright so I

There's no Sondheim there's no powerpoint there's no experimental dance there's nothing it's just me being funny for an hour which used to be enough and I hope it will be again and this is something

that I think is a bit revolutionary. I stand up the whole time. Damn. I gotta tell you, I do sit sometimes. I do. Gianmarco doesn't sit. Gianmarco perches. You queen. Okay, I like that. I perch. I'm headlining

Looney Bin in Oklahoma City this weekend. May 1st we have, as we say every time, the first Sunday of every month, May 1st, the Silver Lining at 8 p.m. at Sesh Comedy Club. Tickets are $5. Link is in the show description. And again, come out to this one. Join the email list, my text list, but come to this show because once this starts selling out, I will convince Russell to do a live podcast before the show.

It's a very good show. It's a very good show. I just did it. I like it a lot. And we have great comics. It's me. You get to see me do an hour, but interspersed I have at least two very good comedians. And then after that, I'm at Hyena's Comedy Club in Dallas May 5th.

Rudyard's May 6th and 7th. That's in Houston. And then Helium St. Louis the weekend after that. But again, join the mailing list. Join the text list. Wait, you're not at Uncle Function again? Yeah. I didn't know that. Oh, sweetheart. Oh my god. Sorry to really

really came in. That is brutal. See Uncle Function if you're in New York. No, no, no. But if you're in St. Louis, go see me. We're not similar audiences here. Very separate audiences here. I thought you were here this month.

Someone just made a decision. How about you, me, Nicole, and Tova go dancing this week? Let our hair down. Have a couple drinks. We can be intimate without penetrating. That's true. So, again, go to the Silver Lining.

Join the text list. Join the email list. A lot of cool guests coming up. We got Moses Storm coming up. We got a guest. Yes, he's here. He's filming. We do.

They come to New York. We get them. And tell your friends about the downside. That's how you grow. And Jay, one more. Something something sad, something existential, something. Oh, I'll say this. Stop trying to make everything cool. I'm okay with some stuff not being cool.

Like everything has started to be like, oh, this is kind of cool. No, not everything is cool some stuff is like boring and nerdy like i'm a nerd when i say i like comic books comic books don't have to be cool yeah it's nerdy shit everyone enjoys nerdy shit now because it's just smashing action figures together but it's not cool like it's not you know what i'm saying well i was just looking for one line this is the downside you