The Dr. Hyman Show - A Root Cause Approach to Hyperthyroidism and Graves' Disease
Episode Date: July 19, 2021A Root Cause Approach to Hyperthyroidism and Graves' Disease | This episode is sponsored by Rupa Health and Paleovalley The thyroid gland is a small gland located in your neck that is part of your end...ocrine or hormonal system. It produces two major thyroid hormones, and the overproduction of these hormones is termed hyperthyroidism. Sixty to seventy percent of individuals with hyperthyroidism suffer from an autoimmune condition called Graves' disease. So, what is driving these issues and how can that information be used to treat the root causes of hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease? In this episode, Dr. Hyman sits down with Dr. George Papanicolaou to discuss how they work with patients to treat the root causes of hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease. They discuss topics including environmental toxin exposure, the role of gut health in driving autoimmune disease, using thyroid hormone replacement therapy, and much more. George Papanicolaou is a graduate of the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine and is Board Certified in Family Medicine from Abington Memorial Hospital. He is also an Institute for Functional Medicine Practitioner. Upon graduation from his residency he joined the Indian Health Service. He worked on the Navajo reservation for 4 years at the Chinle Comprehensive Medical Facility where he served as the Outpatient Department Coordinator. In 2000, he founded Cornerstone Family Practice in Rowley, MA. He practiced with a philosophy centered on personal relationships and treating the whole person, not just not the disease. He called that philosophy “Whole Life Wellness”. Over time as the healthcare system made it harder for patients to receive this kind of personal care Dr. Papanicolaou decided a change was needed. He began training in Functional Medicine through the Institute of Functional Medicine. In 2015, he established Cornerstone Personal Health – a practice dedicated entirely to Functional Medicine. Dr. Papanicolaou joined The UltraWellness Center in 2017. This episode is sponsored by Rupa Health and Paleovalley. Rupa Health is a place for Functional Medicine practitioners to access more than 2,000 specialty lab tests from over 20 labs like DUTCH, Vibrant America, Genova, Great Plains, and more. You can check out a free live demo with a Q&A or create an account at RupaHealth.com. Paleovalley is offering 15% off your entire first order. Just go to paleovalley.com/hyman to check out all their clean Paleo products and take advantage of this deal. In this conversation, Dr. Hyman and Dr. Papanicolaou discuss: Characteristics and symptoms of hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease Common autoimmune issues that cluster with hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease Thyroid supporting nutrients The link between autoimmune disease, gut health, gluten sensitivity, and Celiac’s disease Traditional vs Functional Medicine approaches to testing, diagnosing, and treating hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease Hormone replacement therapy Patient cases they have treated with hyperthyroidism and Graves' disease Additional Resources: The Functional Medicine Approach To Hypothyroidism And Hashimoto’s Disease https://drhyman.com/blog/2021/03/11/podcast-hc47/ Is An Underactive Thyroid To Blame For Your Mysterious Symptoms? with Dr. Elizabeth Boham https://drhyman.com/blog/2020/03/13/podcast-hc1-2/ Is Your Environment Harming Your Thyroid https://drhyman.com/blog/2017/06/16/environment-harming-thyroid/ House Call Highlight: Wired and Tired: Fixing Adrenal Burnout https://drhyman.com/blog/2021/05/28/podcast-hc58/
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House Call with Dr. George Papanikola, one of our extraordinary docs at the Ultra Wellness
Center here in Lenox, Massachusetts, we're going to talk about thyroid. And most people struggle
in this country with low thyroid. It affects one out of five women, one out of 10 men.
But there's another condition called hyperthyroid
as opposed to low thyroid, high thyroid,
that is a real problem for some people.
It affects less people, but it's really a problem.
And traditional medicine approach
really hasn't changed in 50 years.
And I've discovered with functional medicine
that there's really a whole new way of thinking about it
that can get to the root cause.
It can often reverse it or even cure it and I've had a few patients
have been really effective in using this model so welcome back to the podcast George it's great to
have you and today we're going to dig into a couple of really interesting stories about how
you know our autoimmune diseases are so prevalent
and Graves and hyperthyroid is even one of them.
And how we treat it with traditional medicine
but also how we think about it differently
with functional medicine.
So talk about what is really driving this problem
and what is Graves, what is hyperthyroidism
and what does it do to people, how do they feel
and how do people know they have it?
Right, so hyperthyroidism and what does it do to people? How do they feel and how do people know they have it? Right. So hyperthyroidism is when the thyroid gland is producing way too much
thyroid hormone. That's T3 and T4. And so when they're being overproduced, then you're going
to have symptoms that are going to cause you to lose weight, feel sweaty, have palpitations, be anxious, have thinning hair, lose your hair, have thinning nails.
Graves' disease happens to be the most common. It's about 60 to 70% of people with hyperthyroidism
are graves. It happens to about 1 in 200 people, women more than men, 10 to one.
And it usually peaks around in the ages of 40 to 60 years old
but it can happen younger.
So that's like the overview of Graves' disease.
Now, the most, as you said-
What are the symptoms?
The symptoms are some of the ones I just mentioned,
which are gonna be weight uh weight loss sweating thinning
thinning nails hair loss um palpitations skin palpitations when it gets really bad atrophib
yep and when it gets really bad you can have heart failure you can have a hormone imbalance
and you can have anemia yeah those are some those are insomnia people can't i had a friend i had a
friend call me who was like i can't sleep sleep. I don't know what's wrong.
Yeah.
And we get to our history.
He's like, and I lost 20 pounds and I wasn't trying.
I'm like, oh, okay.
Yeah, you know, and it can be, yeah.
So most people, as you said, have hypothyroidism.
It's less common.
I think 1% of thyroid disease or 2% is hyperthyroidism and Graves is the most common.
But when you have it, it can be really debilitating
and it can be really hard to treat. And as you said earlier, in conventional medicine,
the treatments haven't changed in 50 years and they're quite harsh. And functional medicine
really gives us a great opportunity to get to the root causes of what triggers graves and allows us to then treat our patients in ways that make
sense for the biology and their life environment. Yeah. So it's really, you know, the symptoms can
be quite dramatic for people, right? Absolutely. And like, as you mentioned, some of the complications
are serious. It's not just about having a racing heart or insomnia or diarrhea. You can get eye damage, so your eyes can bug out of your head.
Right.
You can get heart failure, right?
Yeah.
That can happen.
And, you know, the reason why that happens, and I think we're going to have to just jump right into this part of it, is the autoimmune process.
Graves is an autoimmune disorder, just like Hashimoto's, which causes hypothyroidism. And so you can't get away
from talking about thyroid disease without talking about our immune system, autoimmunity,
why we have it, why it's getting worse, and what some of the major triggers are.
So the eye disease is actually antibodies that are being made against your thyroid. They're called thyroid stimulating hormone receptor antibodies or T-RABS.
And they're made specifically against the receptors on the thyroid.
So when those antibodies hit those receptors,
it doesn't destroy those receptors,
it actually triggers them to make more thyroid hormone.
But it's a very nonspecific
interaction, and those antibodies can also trigger like antigens in other parts of the body. They
happen to be in the eye, where there are thyroid stimulating receptors, and also in the lower
extremities. So you can get the deposition of all these antibodies in the eye that cause that um the graves up though uh
up the uh graves eye disease um and also pre-tibial myxedema and that's because that's
like food retention food retention in your legs where you get a destruction of the tissue
underneath the um the the skin of the the tibia or your shin. And you can see it gets thickened and fluid filled
and it's not nice looking and it's not nice feeling.
So those are the things that are the hallmarks of Graves.
And they're all related to that autoimmune antibody response.
What's interesting also is that autoimmune diseases
often come in clusters.
And with Graves, you see people often with other autoimmune diseases, right?
You do.
Like what?
So some of the other autoimmune diseases can be,
you can actually get Hashimoto's.
Hashimoto's is one of the other autoimmune diseases.
You can have low and high at the same time?
You can.
You can definitely have that.
You can have diabetes, which is an autoimmune disease.
Type 1 diabetes.
Type 1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes.
Vitiligo, right?
Vitiligo is a common one.
It's where you lose all the pigment in your skin.
Yep.
Anemia and autoimmune things like arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, right?
Yep.
And then what's interesting is also celiac disease.
Well, there's a link between celiac disease because gluten is a is a huge trigger for
autoimmunity particularly creating antibodies against the thyroid okay so so so that's a kind
of a good overview of the prevalence of it what the symptoms are what the complications are
and you sort of it's not it's often not that hard to diagnose when people are that sick you can kind
of tell but it's subtle sometimes.
What tests do doctors do to find out traditionally whether you have it?
Yeah, so...
And we're going to get to what are the tests you do in functional medicine that are quite different.
So, yeah.
So, the traditional test, how you find it is looking first at your thyroid function.
So, you're going to be looking at somebody.
The key thing is the clinical symptoms, right?
It's not always tests. It's people come in and they have symptoms. Then you
have to start to use your medical cognition and everything you know about medicine to figure out,
okay, what do I think is going on? Well, once you realize what the symptoms are, then you start to
understand, you know, this is the thyroid. So you're going to look at the thyroid and you're
looking at what we call the TSH, which is a thyroid stimulating hormone. And if that's really, really low, that means that
the thyroid is producing way too much thyroid hormone and your pituitary gland is being
suppressed. So it doesn't make enough of this thyroid stimulating hormone. Let me just back up for a
second. Your pituitary gland drives your thyroid. Yeah. And it sends a signal to the thyroid. It's
called the thyroid stimulating hormone. So your thyroid- TSH.
Yeah, TSH. And so your thyroid is sort of lazy. And so it has to be reminded to work. So the pituitary's responsibility is to send out this signal all the time.
So you're going to have this certain normal level of TSH reminding the thyroid to work.
And as long as it's doing its job and nothing's impairing it from doing its job, then it's
going to function great and it's going to make thyroid hormone.
T4 and T3.
T4 and T3 go to the cells. Now, T3 is the active form of thyroid hormone.
And inside the cell, T4 gets converted to T3. Then it goes into the nucleus where it causes
the DNA to start to transcribe and make enzymes and proteins that upregulate metabolism.
And that's exactly what it's supposed to do.
Now, if you don't make enough thyroid hormone,
then you're going to experience hypothyroidism
and a slowdown of your metabolism.
And if you make too much,
you're going to have a uptick in your metabolism
and everything that goes along with that,
and that's called hyperthyroidism.
So what happens is...
And what are the tests?
So the tests. So when we go for the test, the TSH is going to be suppressed if the thyroid is
making too much. The pituitary is going to stop sending the signal.
So the feedback system tells your TSH shut off and then the other hormones go up.
Yep.
But there's also antibodies we check, right?
So once you realize they have hyperthyroidism, then you want to
check for antibodies.
And the main one you check for is thyroid stimulating hormone receptor antibodies.
And if those are positive, it's 99% sensitivity and specificity for Graves' disease.
That's the main test.
There's also a radioactive iodine test, right?
Yeah.
So after you do that, you can do a radioactive uptake to see if the person has maybe some other reason for having that hyperthyroidism,
which can be an adenoma or multi-nodular toxicoider. And so what do doctors, once people
are diagnosed with this, what are the treatments? Because it seems like they haven't really changed
much since 40 years since I graduated medical school. Yeah, they haven't changed much and they're pretty harsh. And
you know, one, you know, so there's, there's methimazole, which is basically a thyroid
peroxidase enzyme inhibitor. Thyroid peroxidase is the enzyme that the thyroid uses to bind iodine
together to make thyroid hormone.
And so it blocks that.
And so you just reduce the production.
Methimazole can have some significant,
and polythiourosal, PTU,
particularly can have some very impactful side effects.
Side effects.
Like hepatic toxicity.
So, and you're gonna be on them for 18 months,
up to 18 months to get
into remission and so they're not they're not really they can be harsh and
they can have lots of adverse reactions a lot of the most of the people that I
see in your ultra wellness center they come to me with graves I don't have to
make a diagnosis they come and the reason why they come is they don't want
to be on with them as all and they don't want to have you know iodine the the next therapy is yeah what else is radioactive iodine destruction of the thyroid so basically
nukes your thyroid yeah basically nukes so you're going to get you're going to get you know i i 131
which is iodine tagged with you know um a radioactive molecule um and when that it's iodine
so now this radioactive material gets absorbed into the thyroid that's
wants to use that iodine but then that radioactive material breaks down to xenon and xenon destroys
the uh thyroid or parts of it and reduces the production of thyroid hormone again pretty harsh
you're you're radioactive and you know you're you're you're not you, when you can't breastfeed you can't you can't be around kids
You can't for a while. Yeah, you know not your whole life
It can be up to two weeks, you know of the treatment and then finally there's just take the thyroid out
So basically like nuke it take it out or poison it
Okay, well, I mean sometimes that's necessary just to deal with symptoms or people can use beta blockers if their heart's racing and so on. Which is perfectly fine.
Which is okay. But the question is, how do we deal with this in functional medicine that's
different? And at the Ultrawolness Center, how do we think about this condition?
Well, it's always getting to the root cause. We always look for the root cause in functional
medicine. And here at the Ultrawolness Center, everything everything's designed all the tests that we do all the all the work that we do and the way we think about things is to get to the root cause
and we know that the the autumn it's an autoimmune process that drives thyroid disease particularly
graves in this in this case that we're talking about. And 75 to 80% of your immune system is in your gut.
It's called GALT, gut-associated lymph tissue. And so why? Because you have everything that you eat
has organisms on it, has compounds in it that can potentially threaten your health. So your immune system has to be on
high alert all the time, making sure that there's no disruption, nothing gets into your system that
could cause you to be ill. So we look at the gut microbiome and the function of the gut
almost first and foremost when it comes to autoimmune diseases, because that's where
you're going to find the majority of the triggers. So the gut is always a key thing to think about
because 70% of your immune system is in your gut. And if you have an autoimmune disease,
you have to treat your gut. Yeah. I don't think that there's one person with an autoimmune disease
I've treated that hasn't had some gut issue that had to be dealt with that was part of reducing
their autoimmune process and getting
them into remission. Okay then, wow. And what's really fascinating is that,
it just recalls this patient of mine who was about a 40-year-old woman who had Graves disease and was
struggling and did not want to be on medication long-term, was willing to do whatever it took,
and she turned out she had real gluten issues, had terrible gut issues and we did a really and she had parasites i mean we did a really aggressive gut repair program
and we optimized her health and her vitamin d and we improved her diet and what was amazing was that
uh her antibodies for graves went to zero her thyroid normalized and she's completely fine now
and off medication which is just really striking to me because that's something I never learned was possible in medical school.
Yeah. And, you know, I've had a case where, again, you get to the root cause and yeah,
was gut a major issue? Sure. But in my particular case, it was a woman who's 55 years old. She came
with a diagnosis of Graves, like I said, many do, And she just didn't want to, you know, do the traditional therapies. So when she came in, she was also menopausal within the last two years. And she,
that was the main, the other main issue with her. So, and although she had gut issues,
she had bloating and distention and constipation, some of the stools. So with her, one of the things that works,
and when you want to treat somebody, it's perfectly appropriate to try to understand
the mechanism and the pathway of the way the organ works. In this case, thyroid, TPO,
thyroid peroxidase is an enzyme that's blocked with a pharmaceutical agent that is very harmful.
Botanical agents can oftentimes, because we get many of our medicines from botanicals,
so botanical agents can oftentimes be very effective. In this particular case, L-carnitine
can act as a thyroid peroxidase inhibitor. And so using L-carnitine was one of the first things I did with this
particular woman. And she, you know, before our next follow-up, she was already beginning to have
some relief from her symptoms just using L-carnitine. And then because she was menopausal,
estrogen can have an impact on your autoimmune state. So balancing hormones is really important. You know, when you
think about hormone replacement, you know, there's always been a concern, particularly with women,
about the possible impact on the breast and breast cancer. What I will say is that there
are now studies that are showing that early in menopause, using hormone replacement
for a short period of time can have a very beneficial impact on brain aging. There's
reduction in Alzheimer, development of Alzheimer's for women who have estrogen early in their
menopausal state. Interesting.
And also reduces the autoimmune state
because estrogen does play a role
in balancing the inflammatory
and anti-inflammatory sides of the immune response.
So I actually put on a hormone replacement.
I wonder if that's why you see most of the case
of autoimmune disease in women.
Yeah, in 40 to 50, you know, 40 to 60 range.
So I balanced her hormones.
And then of course, you know,
we worked on her gut microbiome, which is always a critical piece.
Yeah. And, and, you know, the other thing you did was you got her off gluten and you put her
on an anti-inflammatory diet, right? And you gave her the raw materials for helping her.
Yeah. And I, you know, I, yeah. And I think it's really important when we say we work on the gut,
we have to remember that when we work on the gut, we have a very programmatic approach that
can be adopted and adapted to the various conditions people have.
But it's that 5R approach.
You know, it's basically, let's find out what may be a trigger.
So there are triggers to, you know, there are some, you know, bacterial and parasitic
triggers to thyroid autoimmunity.
One of them happens to be blastocystis hominis, which is a parasite that, you know, has been
implicated in triggering antibodies that will go after the thyroid.
That's interesting because that patient that I mentioned, that's what she had.
She had this parasite.
Yeah.
Which we're going to talk about on another podcast. Yeah, we are. So when we look at the gut, we're going to look,
and so we're going to need to, we know we need to look at the gut carefully. And we do kind of,
we do, this gets into the testing we do in functional medicine. So one of the first tests I
do is a stool analysis. And that stool analysis is not only going to tell me about the balance of good bacteria,
which are your commensals, and your bad bacteria. I always say that those are the bacteria that
realize that poop's a great party, great place to live, and they come and hang out, but they may not
do anything for you unless you have a really bad diet, you're under too much stress, you're not
taking care of your gut microbiome, you're eating processed foods and diet, you're under too much stress, you're not taking care of your
gut microbiome, you're eating processed foods and sugars, you're eating lots of GMO foods that have
lots of glyphosate on them, and your microbiome is disordered, now all of a sudden, those hanger
honors are now going to just, they're just going to multiply, and they're going to push your good
bacteria out. And when that happens, then the good bacteria can't modulate your immune system,
can't help you, doesn't make the compounds that you need.
As we know, 70% to 90% of your serotonin is actually made by bacteria in your gut.
So you need to rebalance that.
So we're really careful about doing that. We want to know not
only that balance, but how's your digestive system working? One of the things that allows
the gut microbiome to go into this disorder is you're not making enough gastric acids. You're
under too much stress. When you're under stress, then your fight-flight response takes over and
suddenly you don't want to have an appetite
when you're running away from the bear so your appetite goes down you start making
less gastric acid and when you're under chronic stress this chronic loss of gastric acid allows
bacteria and parasites and viruses to get into your intestinal tract where they can wreak havoc
oh yeah that's another reason to worry about stress is more parasites right more parasites and viruses to get into your intestinal tract where they can wreak havoc. So we fix that.
Oh yeah, but that's another reason to worry about stress
is more parasites, right?
More parasites, another, another.
So really it is.
Yeah, well stress brings it all on.
So we really work on the gut.
Work on the gut, you get rid of the food sensitivities.
But the traditional approach to autoimmune disease
is you use suppressive medications.
Or in this case, you take out the thyroid or you nuke it.
But in functional medicine, we really look at the root causes
and there are many, there are environmental toxins,
and they play a huge role in thyroid disease,
whether it's heavy metals or pesticides or chemicals.
We look at the gut, as you mentioned.
We look at food sensitivities like gluten.
Yeah, and like I said earlier, hormones.
Hormones, stress.
We look at the HPA axis, which is the-
Which is the stress hormones. The stress hormones, and so we know that we look at the hpa axis which is the stress
hormones the stress hormones and so we know that cortisol is going to have an impact on your immune
system and autoimmunity over and if you're under chronic stress like most people are and certainly
over the last year and a half you know with covid people were under an enormous amount of stress
that's why we started to see you know a lot more death more death from other causes as well, particularly heart disease
during this phase because stress has a big impact on heart disease.
Chronic infections, as you said, environmental toxins, nutrient imbalances.
What kind of nutrients are playing a role in thyroid disease?
So we can talk about that because that moves sort of into treatment.
We want to support a really healthy thyroid.
So, you're thinking about things like iodine.
You're thinking about selenium.
You're thinking about zinc.
You're thinking about vitamin C, vitamin E.
These are-
Vitamin B and A.
B and A all support good healthy thyroid.
And if you're low in any of those, you will impact the health of your thyroid and your immune system.
So you're going to be way more susceptible to any type of autoimmune process in the thyroid.
There's really a 360 approach that looks at all the root causes.
Very similar to what we do in general with people, but we specify it for the thyroid.
And I think that we do testing like stool testing, organic acid testing, hormone testing, adrenal testing, toxin testing, heavy metal testing, checking for iodine, vitamin
D levels. These are things that you don't typically get at a traditional doctor's office. And
Veltro Wellness Center here in Lenox, we've been doing this for decades and we really see amazing
results. And, you know, I often will see a disease that I've never really treated or that is not that
common. And I'm like, well, gee, I don't really know.
All the time.
You know, I don't know if this is going to work.
Right.
But then I go back to first principles in functional medicine
and look at what are the root causes of disease,
what are the causes of whatever it is, inflammation or metabolic disease.
And then I can usually zero in on what their story is and listen from their story.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know, I've been eating tuna every day for 30 years.
Or, you know, like I basically have this terrible stomach issue that blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I go, oh, yeah.
So you start to kind of find the clues in the page of the story.
And you follow the threads.
And you start to do the diagnostic tests that help you.
And then you start to peel the onion and treat all these problems.
And so, you know, your treatment isn't just take this PTU drug or get your thyroid nuked or take it out.
It's like, oh, we have to change our diet.
Oh, we have to deal with stress.
Oh, we have to take the right nutrients
to optimize the levels.
Oh, we have heavy metals.
We have to take care of that.
Oh, we have pesticides.
We have to figure out how to get rid of that.
So we basically go through a process,
a therapeutic process that's based very strategically
on that patient's story and their specific labs.
And there's no,
there's no two people that are the same who have any particular disease or graves or anything else.
Yeah. I'm just going to echo everything you just said, Mark, because we have this conversation.
This is the work that we do. We get to the root cause and then we use treatments that make sense for each person's specific biology and their life environment.
And there's not a patient that comes to me, or it's a rare patient that comes to me,
that we don't find multiple reasons why their health is either currently compromised or is
set up for being compromised in the future because of
all of those particular areas you just talked about. It's not a matter of people have toxins,
it's how much. And then the genetics determine how well they're going to detox those toxins.
And so we also know that you have genetics that drive your immune system, but we have places to
look. We do a lot of antibody
testing to help us identify, do you have an autoimmune process? And where is the trigger?
And so, and we can go through every, you know, every biologic system that we look at
with all the testing that we do and explain in detail how we're using those tests in those biologic areas.
Toxins, the HPA access, energy production in mitochondria.
We do specific tests that will look at mitochondrial function.
All of those things have to be addressed.
It's never one thing.
It's multiple layers.
That's the whole problem with traditional medicine. It like reductionist it's grave disease you get this drug
a seal later that's it nothing else and we're like no no ten people with graves might have ten
different issues and we need to treat them in ten different ways and we need to find out what their
cause is and how to optimize their system and it's different you know what 20 years ago or maybe it's
longer now maybe 21 22 years ago you were a Canyon Ranch and you had the opportunity to, you know, hear Jeff Bland speak. And you got the fever early on, right?
I did, I did.
20 years ago, I just started my own conventional family practice. And I was a conventional doc for,
you know, it took me about 15 years. But even in my conventional practice, I always had that
holistic approach.
I was writing nutrition programs.
I was putting together exercise programs for my patients and my diabetics.
I had a weight loss program specifically for my diabetics.
However, the pressures of the insurance industry, the pressures of my discipline in family medicine
were such that it was, see as many patients as you can, make the diagnosis, use a pharmaceutical agent.
And about six, you know, probably 13, 14 years in, I started to say, you know what?
This is not right.
There's something wrong because my patients aren't getting better.
No.
I'm maintaining disease.
And then I found functional medicine.
And that changed everything.
Changed everything, right?
It changed everything.
So where you would have come to me with grave disease 10 years ago, and I would have sent
you to the endocrinologist who would have put you on methamazone and beta blocker, and
then talked about having you go to an ENT doc who's going to take out your thyroid.
I would have been right on board.
You know what? I saw the light and I can tell you, in my time as a functional medicine doc, now board
certified in functional medicine, the IFM, I think I have helped more people leave their
disease behind, actually be better than I did in 20 years of private practice in conventional medicine.
Wow.
So that's a big statement.
You literally have helped more people in the last few years of functional medicine than you're
tired.
It is.
It's kind of a miracle.
And to me, it's both inspiring and it's also incredibly frustrating because so many people
out there are not getting answers to their problems with solutions that exist.
And it just it just
breaks my heart and people suffer terribly you know autoimmune diseases are so bad i i was
recently out west and i was sitting in montana in the cabin i was staying in and i went out in the
morning to just hang out and have my coffee and maybe journal a little bit and there's this old
guy sitting there looked old anyway he was turned out to be a lot younger than I was,
but he was, you know,
kind of pretty overweight, big belly,
started chit-chatting.
Where are you from?
Oh, Texas.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, great.
What do you do?
I was like, well, I was an oil construction guy.
And I'm like, oh, well, it's kind of cool.
He's like, well, I had to quit.
And I'm like, what happened?
He's like, well, I collapsed on the job.
I had MS and I've been on these drugs and I'm just terrible i can't do anything i can barely get up i can probably tie
my shoes like i used to wear boots i can only wear sneakers now because i can't do anything and
i just feel terrible and i thought you know wow this guy's just not getting access to information
that's going to really help him and i I told him about Terry Wall's work on MS
and I recommend her book. And she's been on the podcast, going to be back on the podcast.
And he's like, why are you helping me? I'm like, well, I'm a doctor and I just can't,
I can't help myself because I'm like, here you have a problem. You're going to get dramatically
better. No, you do. You come across it all the time. You have doctor's eyes and you have a
doctor's heart. I have doctor's eyes. I have a doctor's heart. I have doctor's eyes.
I have a doctor's heart.
I see things that other people don't see.
And I cry over things other people wouldn't cry over because I know the implication of what I've just seen.
And I know the suffering that people experience when they have a chronic disease that they can't get an answer to.
And we see those patients here at the Ultra Wellness Center all the time.
And the good news is, is here at the Ultra Wellness Center,
we have a team that's highly compassionate, empathetic,
and really works with patients to, you know,
get them through the process and give them hope.
Yeah, it's so powerful.
And that's great.
So if you've been listening and you've had a thyroid issue or Graves' disease,
I encourage you to think about
trying a different approach. We can certainly help you at Delta Wellness Center. You can find
other people who do functional medicine. Don't just stop at the traditional approaches. And
sometimes you do need medications or you need an ablation or you need surgery, but most of the time
we can get you through without it. And if you love this podcast, share with your friends and family
on social media, we'd love to hear from you. If you have a comment about what's going on, leave a comment.
And how you maybe solved your Graves' disease.
Maybe you have and we'd have something to learn.
And subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
And we'll see you next week on The Doctor's Pharmacy.
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