The Dr. Hyman Show - Choosing Skin Care Products that Won’t Make You Sick with Dr. Cindy Geyer

Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on this episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. There's emerging science-based evidence that some essential oils may be almost effective at repelling ticks. There's been some research on lemon eucalyptus oil, on thyme oil, on citronella. So I think that is another reasonable option to try to get some of the tick repellent benefits without causing harm. Hey everybody, it's Dr. Mark. Now you probably heard me talk about how much I love infrared saunas on the podcast. Well, they've been linked to many different benefits like better muscle recovery, calming of the nervous system, improved circulation, even activation of the immune system

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Starting point is 00:03:24 means better service for you and your patients. You can check it out and look at a free live demo with a Q&A or create an account at rupahealth.com. That's r-u-p-a-health.com. Now let's get back to this week's episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. Welcome to the Doctor's Pharmacy. I'm Dr. Mark Hyman, and that's Doctor's Pharmacy with an F, a place for conversation that matters. Now, if you ever wondered about what you put on your skin and is it making you sick, whether it's makeup or tick, insect repellent or sunscreen, you're going to like this podcast because we're going to get in deep about what goes in your skin and on your skin and through your skin and how that affects our health and what to do about it and how to pick the right product. So this week we have on our special episode of the doctor's pharmacy house call, my friend and colleague I've known for gosh, decades now, someone we brought into Canyon ranch when I was just beginning there as a medical director, she took over the place and now has joined us at the Ultra Wellness Center, Dr. Cindy Geyer,

Starting point is 00:04:29 who's just an extraordinary doc and is teaching all over the world in films of integrative and functional medicine. And we're so lucky to have her at the Ultra Wellness Center now. So welcome, Cindy. Thanks, Mark. Good to be here. Okay. So it's, you know, it's a big deal to think about what you put on your skin. I remember, you know, learning that basically you wouldn't eat it. You shouldn't put it on your skin. And you and I both know that when we were in medical school that we delivered all kinds of drugs to the skin. I mean, one of the quickest ways to get someone relieved from chest pain, if they came into the emergency room with an engine or, you know, heart disease was to slap a

Starting point is 00:05:08 toothpaste tube full of like nitroglycerin cream and put a, put a bandage over it. And that kind of went right through the skin. You know, there's hormone patches for women, there's pain patches. There's all sorts of patches that people use because the skin is a vehicle for delivering medicine. So it makes a logical sense to think that we should be aware of what we're putting on our skin in terms of sunblock, insect repellent, makeup, you know, body care products, and yet most of us never give a thought about it. So tell us, Cindy, why should we really care? And I think it is, you know, because this seems to be like maybe a trivial issue, but how big of an issue is this?

Starting point is 00:05:50 And why should we worry? Or should we? Well, I'm glad you pointed out that we absorb things through the skin. So we think we put it on our skin and it's just going to stay on the outside, but it can potentially get inside our bodies. And one of the challenges, Mark, is trying to do good research to actually prove cause and effect when you're looking at some of the carriers or preservatives that are added to the things like the cosmetics that we put on our skin.

Starting point is 00:06:18 You know, our old model of what happens with toxicity is the dose makes the poison. You know, you have to have massive amounts for it to have a negative impact. But there's so many things that are in our skincare products like phthalates or parabens that have been dubbed endocrine disrupting chemicals. And what that means is even tiny amounts, especially at critical windows, may actually muck up hormonal signaling and have long lasting impacts that's less related to the dose, but the cumulative exposure over time. And so it's hard to tease out. I mean, you might be having exposures every day in teeny tiny amounts that don't seem immediately problematic. But down the road, when you're struggling with insulin resistance or breast cancer or uterine fibroids or thyroid

Starting point is 00:07:07 issues, it could be related to these endocrine disrupting chemicals that have wreaked havoc on our hormone balance. I mean, so yeah, so why are all these compounds used in these products? I mean, why do we need all these petrochemical, endocrine disrupting, hormone busting, disrupting compounds? Why are they there? It's a great question. So parabens typically are added as a preservative to extend the shelf life of your skin creams or your topical creams. Yeah, so local rancid. So you can keep it on your shelf for a year or two and it won't smell funny or it won't go bad. And so you don't get bacteria. I mean, some of them are trying to keep contaminants out. Phthalates tend to be embedded with fragrances to make things smell pleasing to us and we put them on our bodies. And those are

Starting point is 00:07:55 also endocrine disrupting chemicals. And is there a way to measure in the body, whether there are these chemicals that are there from these products that people are using? That's a great question, Mark. In studies that are trying to tease out how they influence our health, they often look at urinary levels to see how much people are exposed to. It's a little bit challenging, however, because it turns out that all of us show evidence of exposure to these chemicals. So it's a little bit hard to know what to do with measurements other than trying to do it from a scientific standpoint, say, do the levels track with health outcomes. In clinical practice, I have not done that. I don't know if you found it helpful or not. And when I was first looking at it, we ended up coming back to the same recommendations anyway. We need to reduce

Starting point is 00:08:50 exposure and find ways to support your body's getting rid of them. Right. I mean, everybody should cut out toxins from your life and everybody should do all the things they can to upregulate their biology to detoxify these compounds for sure. But sometimes it's really helpful. Like, you know people just don't know about their exposures i had one woman who was using a sunblock for years and her makeup we checked her urine super high levels of parabens i'm like oh this isn't good and other people have high levels of phthalates because they're drinking plastic water bottles or people have bpa because they're not aware of where it's coming from which is best phenol a that comes from

Starting point is 00:09:24 credit card receipts or restaurant receipts or, you know, just all kinds of, you know, gas station, all that stuff. It's in plastics, it's in bottles. So I think we really can raise awareness by seeing that it's in your system. You know, I think I find that often helpful for people to change their behavior too.

Starting point is 00:09:41 And then you can actually track it and see that it's coming down and see what's happening. And I think, and then you can actually track it and see that it's coming down and see what's happening. And I think, you know, it is a little amorphous because, you know, when you look at, you know, on an individual level, it's hard to draw the connections in a one-to-one level of whether this caused the problem or not. But if you look at a population wide level, these toxins clearly are linked to all sorts of harmful effects in terms of endocrine disorders, heart disease, cancers, and more. And I think it really is important for people to understand what they're doing, what they're putting on their body. of the toxins on the fetus when the mother is exposed to the products that could cause these hormone-disruptive chemicals to get in the blood of the baby.

Starting point is 00:10:33 Yeah, I think that's really important to understand that there are critical windows or critical timeframes that it's even more important to reduce exposure. And one of those classic timeframes is when a woman is pregnant. Even little bits of exposures in utero may affect the fetus, and then those impacts persist into adolescence. A study a few years ago, what they did, a lot of the data has to be correlative, but they measure urinary levels of phthalates and parabens in women at two different points in their pregnancy. And then when their babies were born, they tracked them for nine, 10, 11 years. And they found that higher levels of phthalates and parabens in the urine, the daughters of women with those higher levels ended up going into puberty earlier, which now that doesn't prove cause and effect.

Starting point is 00:11:22 But you know, sometimes you can't ethically design a study and when we see research like that that it does correlate with endocrine challenges down the road we have to take that seriously we have to take that seriously there's been some other research linking exposure in utero in particular or early childhood to phthalates and parabens to higher incidence of ADHD-like symptoms in adolescents. So even neurodevelopment. Again, a lot of the data is correlative and epidemiologic, but we can't really design a placebo-controlled double-blinded trial to willingly expose one group of women and

Starting point is 00:12:02 not expose another and track their children for 20 years yeah i mean it's it's linked to add to neurodevelopmental issues behavioral issues later stage symptoms of um you know obesity even diabetes heart disease cancer when they're exposed to these compounds in utero, which is kind of striking. So the question is, you know, what are we using, right? What are the things we're using? And clearly there are, there's a lot of topical things we use, everything from shampoo to makeup, to body care products, to make, you know, all the kind of skincare things we use, like sunblock and tick repellents and insect blockers. You know, how are these things different?

Starting point is 00:12:50 Like let's take sunscreen, for example. This is something, you know, summertime people don't want to get skin cancer. They're putting on sunscreen. And is it okay? Like what should we be doing? And how do we figure out what's going on? I mean, a lot of the sunscreens also have compounds that destroy reefs too.

Starting point is 00:13:05 There's like reef damage to the coral reefs. So you're not only killing yourself, but you're killing the reefs. Right. Well, there's a lot of the chemical sunscreens like avobenzone. I don't even know all of the names of them, the chemical sunscreens. And many of those are potential endocrine disrupting chemicals as well. The flip side is, Mark, I'm one of those people who grew up in the South, had more than my share of sunburns, had my first skin cancer when I was 37.

Starting point is 00:13:30 So I also want to slow down skin aging and wrinkles and skin cancer. So we kind of have to say, well, how do you get the protection you want without putting yourself at risk? I personally am a real fan of the zinc and titanium, the mineral-based sunscreens, or even just a hat, covering your skin, staying out of the sun in the middle of the day. I mean, I think there's a lot of other things we can do that are going to be safer for us and safer for the planet. One of my favorite one-stop shopping places to learn more about safety levels and which either skincare or sunscreens

Starting point is 00:14:06 contain things we do or don't want is the environmental working group. And I know you've been a big supporter of their work for years. I think they were some of the pioneers at really raising awareness. And what I love about them is they have a safe cosmetics database that you can search by type. So you could search sunscreens or you could search by brand, plug in your favorite brand and see how it rates to others on their list. Yeah. Our category, your makeup, your fragrances, baby care, oral care, men's stuff. It's really quite a robust and really robust website. And it's really science-based. And there's, I think there's 70 or 74,000 products that they looked at 2,500 brands and then, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:52 1800 are verified and have been tested to make sure that they're okay. And so that's a really great source of for sunscreen, for makeup and all these products, because when we look at what we're doing to ourselves, we're kind of like steadily polluting ourselves with the best of intentions. And I think, you know, the sunscreen ingredients can be problematically oxybenzone, the homosalate, the octoprotein. These are all compounds that have been often banned in other countries, but they're used here. And the great

Starting point is 00:15:27 news is there's other benefits you can get from other sunscreens, I think, and others that are mineral-based. And they sometimes are a little messy, but there are ones that are quite good and you can use. You can go to ewg.org and learn more about all the different kind of topical care products and what to pick and start to move the industry in the right direction by helping them, you know, emphasize the right stuff. What about the sort of things like the tick stuff? Because, you know, people are worried about ticks and deet is really uh common which is a terrible toxin it's used to kill insects but also is a neurotoxin that can affect humans so and then you know they say not to touch yourself don't put your mouth but like putting your skin

Starting point is 00:16:15 it goes through everything so tell us a little bit about deet and what to do about that yeah so that that's another one i mean you know mark and the Berkshires ticks are everywhere. So for those of us who love to be in the woods, you always have to be mindful of enjoying your time in the beautiful woods and hiking without putting yourself at risk for getting a tick-borne illness. So how do we navigate that balance as well? You know, for people who are super concerned, I don't know how you feel about this, but you know, if you tuck your pants into your socks and put a little deed around where they join, maybe that's enough. I don't know. I don't do it. I mean, I hike all the time. And you know, the other nice thing about being in the Berkshires, I can come home, strip on my front porch,

Starting point is 00:17:03 leave my clothes on the outside, go in and do my tick check, because I think that's probably the most important thing. The other interesting piece, though, is there's emerging science-based evidence that some essential oils may be almost effective at repelling ticks. There's been some research on lemon eucalyptus oil, on thyme oil, on citronella. So I think that is another reasonable option to try to get some of the tick repellent benefits without causing harm. So those essential oils are basically plant chemicals that are repellent. Right. And it sort of loops back to, you know, the sort of view of functional medicine, which is that plants are highly intelligent. They're in fact sentient beings, believe it or not. They have 20 different senses and they do all kinds of smart stuff that

Starting point is 00:17:56 we, you know, we don't really attribute to plants, but they produce these molecules to deter insects from the cells. So, and they communicate with other plants. So, if there's a caterpillar eating a plant, that plant goes, ooh, I'm getting eaten by a caterpillar. I'm going to produce this molecule. And by the way, I'm going to send a message to my neighbor and plant friends over there through the mycelium rhizome network that you should secrete this chemical too. And so, these plants produce all these wonderful chemicals that we use, you know, for our own benefit, but they're really for their benefit. And I think the essential oils are great.

Starting point is 00:18:29 And there's a lot of natural alternative products out there that are for insects, for pollen, for skincare, for makeup. The only thing you don't realize is makeup. There's like lead, you know, and a lot of makeup and a lot of lipstick. It's lead and lipstick. Lipsticks, yes. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

Starting point is 00:18:45 And those things are, you things are really avoidable. It's just a matter of education. And I think the beautiful thing about it, as we move in the right direction, as people start to become conscious, as we push those companies by our financial choices, we actually can drive the marketplace into a better set of products. And that is really what we need to be doing because I think people don't seriously think about what they're putting on their skin, but it is one of the most important things that you do every single day. Literally you're doing, besides eating, most of us put stuff on our skin every day, whether it's shampoo, whether it's face cream, whether it's makeup, whether it's sunblock, whether it's insect repellent, like these are things that we use a lot of in America. And unfortunately they're really problematic. So let's say you go, geez, I've been using this

Starting point is 00:19:30 stuff for a while. I'm going to switch to all these other products. But what do I do to get rid of these embedded toxins? Because if we did a fat biopsy of every American, you know, we wouldn't be too pretty. There'd be a lot of these compounds in there that are stored in there to help get them down. And we've done, we've done podcasts on detoxification, but we're not talking about like a water fast or some crazy thing. We're talking about you supporting the body's natural built-in detox pathways. How do we do that? You know, Mark, before we jump into that, I want to come back to something that you just said about the fat biopsy. And I know that urine levels can sometimes be really helpful at motivating people to say, oh my gosh, I need to look at this. But we have to be aware

Starting point is 00:20:10 that even if they're not showing up in the urine, if we've had old exposures, they do tend to get deposited in fat and we're not doing fat biopsies on people. I just want to point that out. So don't use an okay looking urine to say, okay, not a problem for me, right? Right, for sure. And it's been a concern as well, if those are all residing as deposits in fat tissue, if somebody really rapidly loses weight and starts to mobilize all that, all those stored toxins, it could potentially put extra burden on a lot of different processes in the body. So it's just food for thought. And you have, and you have done a lot of podcasts on detoxification, and it really is coming back to the basics. I mean, how do we get

Starting point is 00:20:57 rid of things? We sweat by, we break a sweat by going out in the woods or exercising or sitting in a sauna. We really have to focus on optimal gut function, hot fiber dense diet, a healthy microbiome and specific foods that support all of our detoxification pathways. We can talk about a few of those. Drinking enough water. I mean, it's really, I don't know that there is a super magic for these endocrine disrupting chemicals, except it's really important to make sure our detoxifying enzymes have the nutrients they need to do their job. And what are those things that our body needs most of to actually get rid of these toxins? Yeah, we need B vitamins. We need magnesium. We need the sulfur containing amino acids that are rich in foods like broccoli, kale, Brussels sprouts, garlic, onions, the allium family. Antioxidant-rich foods can kind of fill the gap with some of the deeply pigmented fruits and vegetables.

Starting point is 00:21:57 You know, similar theme, I think, that's come up in other areas, but those are some of the foods that are most important. Prebiotic rich foods that can select out a healthy, robust, diverse microbiome that can also kind of, if we have detoxified and mobilized things can help us get rid of it and clear it out of our system. No, it's the same other, other practices that we can do to help our detox system, like saunas, exercise, drainage and infrared saunas, hot and cold therapy, all those things help mobilize toxins from our system. Right, right. Do you have any favorites yourself? Do I have any favorites?

Starting point is 00:22:36 I do have a lot of things that I do to actually mobilize my toxins every day. I make sure that I eat brassicas every day. So last time we had a big bunch of broccoli rabe for that night, Brussels sprouts, lots of garlic and onions. I use a lot of spices in my cooking and also make sure I do saunas. I do ice baths. I sweat. I actually like to sweat a lot. So my exercise is great. Yoga is great for lymphatic drainage, getting massages.

Starting point is 00:23:08 It's great to mobilize tissue, lymph stores. So there's a lot of techniques you can use to actually help. And then I take the right supplements. I make sure I take a cocktail because I've had mercury poisoning. I have weak detox enzymes. I take N-acetylcysteine. I take all the methylation vitamins.

Starting point is 00:23:23 I take a lot of the things that actually help to mobilize these toxins, even the sulforaphane boosting compounds. I even use indole-dihendomethane as a way of sort of helping with, you know, some of the effects on hormone metabolism. So I'm sort of pretty fanatic about it because I've been so sick from being toxic and I don't want to be toxic anymore. But you know, it's the truth is it's hard. Like I, you know, I didn't stop eating fish and I, um, you know, I've got my mercury levels down years and years ago from like almost 200 to like, you know, eight or five. And I was like, Oh, you know, it's been a bunch of years and I've been sort of a little bit lazy about fish. I don't eat tuna. I don't eat swordfish, but occasionally, occasionally I'll have a piece of tuna when I go

Starting point is 00:24:07 out. Occasionally I'll eat halibut. I never eat swordfish. Occasionally I'll have, you know, more fish than I would think. And I thought, oh, I'm good. But I just checked my levels. And I, again, my level was super high. I had like 37 on a challenge test. You know, like I think we're just, we're just in such a toxic world and it's hard. It's hard. I mean, last night I made a delicious, you know, Spanish, she kind of Greek baked cod with tomato sauce, but like cod is not terrible. It's not the worst, but it's definitely got mercury. And I'm just like, Oh, what am I doing? Like, what are you going to eat? You know? So I've come to believe that grass-fed regenerative meat or

Starting point is 00:24:45 wild meat is probably the safest protein on the planet. I know it's maybe controversial to say that, but even unless you've got really well-grown whole grains and beans that are regeneratively raised and have no glyphosate sprayed on them and are not genetically altered, there's a lot of messy stuff in the plant world. So I don't know. But I definitely make sure I upregulate my system all the time. You know, Mark, you raise an interesting point as well. I think everybody is different in terms of their genetic predisposition to handle a given

Starting point is 00:25:19 amount of exposure or not. It's not that we're just going to let, okay, you're a good detoxifier. You can let yourself do whatever. But I think that's also an important point that some people need more support than others. We all want to reduce burden. We want to reduce what's coming in, but some of us have to go the extra step and really do more aggressive programs like you're doing. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so, you know, the good news is that you don't have to be exposed to these things by by all of your typical skincare products that you should be aware of it that you should seek out sources of your favorite products that are alternatives for the environmental

Starting point is 00:25:55 working group resources at ewg.org that you should eat brussels sprouts every day at least some kind of brassicas make sure you have plenty of garlic make sure you sweat make sure that you're you know especially even uh you know when you think about what's going through your skin what are you touching like i i'm so aware of like when i when people say do you want a receipt i'm like no thanks i'm like no thanks email text me the receipt do not give me the receipt because i don't want to touch that. It's full of BPA, bisphenol A, which has all these endocrine disrupting aspects to it. So. You know, Mark, that might've been one of the positive things about the pandemic when people were afraid of any kind of paper passing hands. A lot of people got rid of their paper receipts. A lot of manufacturers got rid of their paper receipts. I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Oh boy. So I think we're in this

Starting point is 00:26:50 interesting moment where we have a possibility of really changing our lifestyle, changing our exposure, changing our choices and really making a big difference. And so people listening, I think it's important to be really aware of what you put on your skin. Just remember whatever you put on your skin, you should be able to eat. It should be edible because it's going into your bloodstream directly. It's going to affect your biology in a real way. So I really encourage you to, to, to make sure you pay attention to that and break down all these systems. And, um, you know, let us know, uh, if you've been listening to this podcast, you love it and you, you found products that work for you, or you've noticed how you've maybe been affected by topical stuff, let us know. Share with your friends and family on social media. Subscribe

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The Dr. Hyman Show - Choosing Skin Care Products that Won’t Make You Sick with Dr. Cindy Geyer

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