The Dr. Hyman Show - Foods That Fight Depression & Improve Sleep

Episode Date: May 31, 2019

We know that a diet comprised of foods from our industrial diet—one high in processed sugar, starch, refined fat, and low in whole foods, fruits, and vegetables—can wreak havoc on your physical health. But what does that same diet do to your mental health and quality of sleep? Are there specific foods and nutrients that are especially effective in combating depression and promoting better sleep? In this mini-episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy, Dr. Mark Hyman talks with Dr. Drew Ramsey, a writer, farmer, and psychiatrist who practices nutritional psychiatry, and Shawn Stevenson, author of the international best-selling book “Sleep Smarter,” to find out what to eat to support your mental health and get quality sleep. Listen to Dr. Hyman’s full length episode with Dr. Drew Ramsey: https://DrMarkHyman.lnk.to/DrDrewRamsey Listen to Dr. Hyman’s full length episode with Shawn Stevenson: https://DrMarkHyman.lnk.to/ShawnStevenson

coming up on this week's episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. This is fascinating. So the diet that prevents cancer, heart disease, dementia, depression, and fixes most chronic illness is the same diet. Hi, I'm Kea Perowit, one of the producers of The Doctor's Pharmacy podcast. We all know that eating well is essential

to optimizing our physical health. Now we are learning that what we eat can also have a major effect on our mental health and the quality of our sleep. Dr. Hyman recently sat down with Dr. Drew Ramsey, a writer, farmer, and psychiatrist who practices nutritional psychiatry to talk about what foods increase your risk of depression and what foods can be used to prevent depression. Let's listen in. What does the data say? If you eat highly processed foods, you have, you know have 50 to 100% increased risk of clinical depression. The food that we've created in the last 100 years leads to an increased risk or increased risk in that population of depression. Same data for ADHD. Not as much data for anxiety disorders, which is interesting, but certainly feels true to me clinically. So Drew, you wrote this paper, it was published

September 2018 in the Psychiatric Journal, and it was really quite detailed in terms of its analysis of the types of foods and nutrients. So help us take this home. What are the things that you learn from there that are the most important nutrients we need, and what are the most important foods to help us get those nutrients and just in general to help us. The food categories that people should be looking for are things like leafy greens, the rainbow vegetables, more seafood. And if you're eating meat and red meat, to look more towards wild red meats or grass-fed red meats. So this is fascinating.

So the diet that prevents cancer, heart disease, dementia, depression, and fixes most chronic illness is the same diet. This isn't rocket science. This is like get rid of refined processed foods, get rid of garbage. I quote you all the time with that, eat the food that God made, not the food that man made. That's one of my thoughts.

And with your psychiatric license or psychology license or wherever you are in the mental health care system, to just encourage patients, as we do with so many other lifestyle factors, give them that nudge. I prescribe a lot of Zoloft, and I find it to be helpful medicine for the right people. But the thing that we don't do is we don't say, look, I'm also prescribing you exercise. I want to report next week. Some wouldn't feel as empowered as they should to say something. That some of it is complicated, some of it's cool biochem,

but a lot of it, eat more leafy greens, eat more rainbow vegetables. The kind of things we do in both Eat Complete and Eat to Beat Depression of thinking in food categories and thinking in basics. It's hard to not be depressed if your thyroid's not working or your vitamin D's low. All that stuff's good. You can work on your beliefs,

on your past history, your lineage. All those things really are great, but it's so much easier if you're not struggling against this physiological. You actually can't do that work. I would argue that you can't engage in your mental health if you are nutritionally depleted, if you have really awful sleep hygiene,

if you, I mean, you can engage, but you're not, you know, if you're in a bad mood and irritable or have low energy because your thyroid is off or your B12 is low, we're going to spend a lot of time talking and theorizing why that might be when actually there is no psychological reason for it. Your cells are thirsty and hungry. It's an exciting time between the new knowledge of the microbiome, the psychiatric genetics, which it's not there yet, but man, it's getting close. We're, I hope, going to see the tide turn on our mental health epidemic. We are going to see the tide turn on our mental health epidemic, Mark. Yeah.

We won't rest until it does, deal? No, we can. I mean, it's the food, stupid, to paraphrase a former president. But people don't get how powerful it is and how impactful and how quick it works. It's, well, it's where we got off in medicine. We kind of separated out mental health and brain health from the rest. Like, like you're saying, kind of like somehow the blood brain brain barrier was like, thou shall not pass. Like we, we didn't think that sure those same, all those same activities that we, we, we think about in terms of our general health and the foods that we want people to eat and the things we want people to do, move their bodies, connect, be part of their community. Yeah, that's key to your brain health and your mental health.

Yeah. As soon as you experience that, that extra energy, that better, what I find, the better sleep quality. Yeah. I'm expecting to hear more energy and people are like, you know, Doc, but I'm really sleeping better. Nothing affects mood, I would say, like sleep. In addition to food's effect on our mental health, new research has revealed that choices around what we eat can also have a major impact on our sleep. Author of the international bestselling book, Sleep Smarter, Shawn Stevenson, recently sat down with Dr. Hyman to share his findings on how to eat to improve your sleep. The biggest thing, in my opinion, is avoiding things that mess it up.

All right. So one of those would be eating processed foods. So your gut cascade, your microbiome has a huge impact on your sleep quality. And so now the question is, what do we do about it? How do we protect or support our microbiome? And that's one of the things that's going to help to improve your sleep quality. So let's just go through a couple. What I want people to do is support their microbiome by, you know, and this should be just Captain Obvious at this point. Me working at a university for so long as a strength and conditioning coach before I

did my clinical work, I worked with people from all over the world and I would ask them about their fermented foods and every culture had something, right? So it was like some kind of kefir or like yeah pickled whatever right and so making sure that we're getting us at least you know every couple of days get a serving in of some fermented food or beverage gotta eat the kimchi yeah i got a jar in my fridge that is a big component here is like shifting gears and having a more targeted perspective about supporting that gut microbiome. But also, and this is a really cool takeaway for everybody today, is making sure we're getting in servings of what I call good sleep nutrients every day.

Yeah, what is that? Because eating first sleep, nobody really talks about that. So what does that look like? The first one I'd share, and this one is from the Public Library of Science, but they found that folks in this particular study that were deficient in vitamin C had a tendency towards waking up more frequently. And getting vitamin C levels elevated reversed their symptoms. All right. So that's just one example.

Iron is the other one. If you have a little ferret. Iron is another one. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. That's huge. And especially more so for women. Yeah.

It tends to be. And another one, this was published in the journal Sleep. Calcium, right? So this goes back to that story that I was told about calcium. It is important, for sure. But folks who were deficient in calcium had more interrupted sleep patterns as well. When you look at the data on calcium, it actually isn't as great as we thought for bones, but the best absorbability and use is actually from greens,

like arugula and greens that we can have dark green leafy vegetables. Also, there's some great sources like tahini, which is basically ground sesame seeds. Also different things people might like, I like, which is sardines with the bones in them and salmon with the bones in them, like canned salmon. Those are really great to eat because they have a lot of great absorbable calcium exactly

this is really fascinating process it's kind of like like a biological transmutation of sorts where certain things come together to create bone right so like you need silica you need boron boron vitamin k2 yeah all of these things come together to make this magic happen so by the way i want to give some sources with vitamin c obviously we know about citrus um fruits like strawberries uh sweet peppers but there are these quote superfoods as well like camu camu berry this might be the highest botanical source of vitamin c uh super tart tangy fruit it's like a amazonian thing uh amla berry acerola cherry those are super super high sources of vitamin c another one and this was this is the last one i'll share a study conducted by university of oxford found that omega-3s can help folks to

get deeper more restful sleep the body is just incredible so eat plenty of good good sleep nutrients every day magnesium Magnesium though? Oh, that was the last one actually. Okay, I was like, that's the first one I go to with my patients. This is the big one. I was saving the best for last. And by the way, magnesium deficiency affects 48%

of Americans and it's caused by stress. Chronic? Yeah, chronic magnesium deficiency. It's caused by stress, it's caused by coffee, alcohol, and, you know, not having enough in our diet, which comes from mostly plant foods, beans and greens, nuts and seeds. Yeah, absolutely. By becoming more mindful and intentional about what we eat, when we eat, and why we eat, we can create balance and harmony physically, emotionally, and mentally. As Dr. Hyman says, think of your kitchen as your

pharmacy. Whether it be for your physical health, your quality of sleep, or your mental health, it all starts with taking out the bad stuff and putting in the good stuff. I hope you enjoyed this episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. Thanks for tuning in.