The Dr. Hyman Show - How To Address Gut Issues And Get Back To Optimal Health

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

This episode is brought to you by AG1, AirDoctor, HigherDOSE, and Super Simple Protein.  So many people are plagued every day with uncomfortable symptoms like bloating, cramps, diarrhea, constipation, and pain that often reduce quality of life or derail daily activities. Thankfully, emerging research has helped identify the real underlying issues of digestive conditions, which means we are developing an understanding of how to actually treat—and fix—gut dysfunction. In today’s episode, I talk with Dhru Purohit and Dr. Elizabeth Boham about the importance of a healthy gut and how to treat common symptoms like bloating, malnutrition, dysbiosis, and more. Dhru Purohit is a podcast host, serial entrepreneur, and investor in the health and wellness industry. His podcast, The Dhru Purohit Podcast, is a top 50 global health podcast with over 30 million unique downloads. His interviews focus on the inner workings of the brain and the body and feature the brightest minds in wellness, medicine, and mindset. Dr. Elizabeth Boham is a physician and nutritionist who practices Functional Medicine at The UltraWellness Center in Lenox, MA. Through her practice and lecturing she has helped thousands of people achieve their goals of optimum health and wellness. She witnesses the power of nutrition every day in her practice and is committed to training other physicians to utilize nutrition in healing. This episode is brought to you by AG1, AirDoctor, HigherDOSE, and Super Simple Protein. Head to drinkAG1.com/HYMAN to receive 10 FREE travel packs of AG1 with your first purchase. I’ve teamed up with the makers of AirDoctor to give my listeners the best deal yet on this amazing filtration system. Right now, if you go to drhyman.com/filter you can get the AirDoctor filter for $329. Elevate your wellness game today by going to HigherDOSE.com. You can use promo code HYMAN at checkout or just go to higherdose.com/hyman to save 15% site-wide. Right now, you can get 10% off Super Simple Grassfed Protein by heading to drhyman.com/protein and using code protein10. Full-length episodes (and corresponding links) of these interviews can be found here: 3 Things That Destroy Your Gut Health Underweight, Overtired, and Malnourished: How To Get Your Health Back On Track Why Gut Issues Are On The Rise And How To Fix It Bloating: Getting Rid Of Your Food Baby With Functional Medicine

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you can get the Air Doctor purifiers for $329. That's $280 off the normal price. And now let's get back to this week's episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. Hi, this is Lauren Feehan, one of the producers of The Doctor's Pharmacy podcast. Gut health is one of the most important factors in overall health, yet the most common complaint during doctors' visits is gut issues. Sadly, most conventional treatments don't work because they don't get to the root cause of the problem. In today's episode, Dr. Hyman talks to Drew Prowitt and Dr. Elizabeth Boehm on why gut problems need to be investigated and how functional medicine doctors approach gut health. They discuss dysbiosis, bloating, how poor digestion

can lead to malnutrition, Dr. Hyman's own gut health story, and so much more. Let's jump in. Why are we having a pandemic of dysbiosis? It's basically the question. And the reasons are multitude. One is we've over-sanitized our world. So we're really not living in relationship to nature in the way we were. And the microbiome of the earth helps our microbiome. We're in the symbiotic relationship. So when we're over-sterilized, sanitized world, we end up creating imbalances in our gut flora. There's books written about this called Missing Microbes, The Epidemic of Absence. Those are great books talking about how our modern life has really taken us out of an intimate relationship with nature. If you grew up on a farm, if you're,

you know, living in a developing country, you're much less likely to have an autoimmune disease or allergies or any inflammation because of how those microbes have helped you regulate and normalize your immune system. And then there's all the gut-busting drugs that we take. The antibiotic, you know, it's just massive amounts of antibiotics we use in this country and overuse in animals as well. Acid blocking drugs that people are taking like candy. It's the third leading class of drugs

after statins and psychiatric drugs. Basically, Prolocecid ass effects nexium all those drugs that you can buy over the counter now and people are taking horrible for your gut they prevent you from producing stomach acid which you need to digest food and so you get all these imbalances and the ph goes um up which means you grow different, and you get overgrowth of different bugs. And one of the side effects of these drugs is irritable bowel syndrome. So you fix your reflux and your heartburn, but you get irritable bowel. Which one do you want? And then there's obviously drugs like the nonsteroidals, aspirin,

which is irritating to the gut, Advil, Aleve, all those drugs that we take for inflammation. Also damage the gut. The birth control pill also also it changes the gut flora, steroids that people take. So there's a whole bunch of gut-busting drugs that are really common that we use. And of course, C-sections, lack of breastfeeding, early introduction of the wrong foods, the hybridization of our food supply, the extra antigens, all these weird things we're eating, chemicals, toxins, all the stuff, pesticides in our food, additives, all those go to destroying our microbiome and ends up causing this epidemic of gut issues. The number one reason for doctor visits is gut problems.

It's huge. Irritable bowel, we think, oh, it's irritable bowel, it's not a serious disease, but it accounts for 10% of the healthcare costs of major corporations for insurance. It's a big deal. So I think we have to understand that we live in a gut-busting culture and a gut-busting world, and that's why we're seeing such challenging issues around gut health and all the downstream consequences of poor gut health, which leads to so many other chronic diseases. We know that the microbiome now is involved in heart disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity, autoimmune diseases, allergies, dementia, Parkinson's. I mean,

autism. I could go on and on. Pretty much every disease in some way can be linked back to the microbiome. And if you don't believe me, just go on PubMed, just Google PubMed, and they'll send you a link to the National Library of Medicine. Just put in microbiome and whatever disease you have or whatever thing you want to learn and you'll see there's amazing amounts of data emerging and it's all new stuff like when i was starting out in functional medicine we knew the gut was a big deal and we knew it made a huge difference when we worked with the gut but all the data wasn't there and now it's just mountains and mountains of data we're learning so fast about how the microbiome works and all the different

species and what they do but we've ended up with most people having pretty messed up guts in modern world. And I mean, there was one study where they looked at the stool from kids in Burkina Faso, which is an African country, and America. And they found that their stool was so different. The microbiomes are so different based on what they ate. Dennis Burkett was a famous scientist from the UK decades ago, who studied the differences between the hunter-gatherer societies and their cousins, basically, who moved to the city in African cities, and the differences in their diseases. And he found that the hunter-gatherers didn't have all the chronic diseases of Western civilization,

but the city dwellers did. And he found that the city dwellers, their stool weight was four ounces. The hunter-gatherer's stool weight was two pounds. Why? Because they were eating tubers and roots and roughage and all this fiber. And so they had giant poops. Whereas the city dwellers were eating processed food and not a lot of vegetables and who knows what they're eating, and they had these tiny little poops. And it had a huge impact on chronic disease and their health. On the topic of gut dysbiosis, before we get to toxins and stress and unpack those,

what do you want to say about a lot of the microbiome testing labs that are out there? What can we know from them? What are their limitations? And are there any ones that you feel are out there? What can we know from them? What are their limitations? And are there any ones that you feel are more superior? Yeah. So here's the deal. As a functional medicine doctor, the microbiome typically means what bacteria or viruses or yeast or parasites are in there, right? What's in there? So it's basically like taking a population survey and seeing what you got.

And it's helpful. And there's certain keystone species we need like Arcomantia and others that make mucus layers for our gut to prevent leaky gut and the biofilm layer. And there's really, really importance in knowing what the balance of overall flora are. Do you have more formicutes, more bacteroides? So you kind of get a sense of what's the overall ecosystem. And that's helpful. And there are a lot of companies that are testing that.

But correlating that with particular conditions or diseases, you know, there's some degree that that's happening, but it's still in its infancy. And I think there's a lot of over-interpretation of tests. And, you know, I think we have to be really careful. As a functional medicine doctor, I look at the actual microbes, but I'm also interested in the function of the gut. Not just who's living there, but what are they doing? And often the indirect measurements are way more relevant to me. For example, I look at digestive enzymes and absorption of food and see if you're having fat malabsorption because I know maybe you have other issues. I look at the immune system in the gut, things like calprotectin, Eosinophil protein X, the antibody levels of IgA. I look at, is there some kind of irritation or inflammation? I look

at something called short-chain fatty acids, which are the downstream byproducts of bacteria consuming the food that we feed them. And there are certain of these short-chain fatty acids that are extremely beneficial, like butyrate. And if you're low on them, it's a problem. It means you don't have a healthy ecosystem. Or maybe you have high levels of propionic acid, which is another short-chain fat, but it's a bad one that can cause autism and cognitive issues or maybe of high levels of an enzyme that's produced by bad bacteria called clostridia

called beta glucuronidase that actually is linked to increases in estrogen and estrogenic diseases like cancer or fibroids or maybe you you know you have problems with uh various kinds of of kind of commensal bacteria that are a little bit pathogenic. So you're not looking for a true infection, but you see, oh, this is a little bit too much of this nasty bug called Klebsiella. It's been linked to arthritis. I know I need to deal with that. I'll change my patient's treatment based on that. And then of course, we look at parasites and we look at things like lactoferrin and we look at all kinds of things that we can look at yeast. So we start to look at the whole environment. And that to me is way more relevant and the test

that i use is called gifx from genova i don't really have any relationship with them we've just been using them for decades in functional medicine and i think it's a really it's a really important way to look at the gestalt of what's going on because just looking at little bits here and there i think we'll be missing a lot of what's actually happening and and the more clinically relevant things to do now. Yeah. The reason I wanted to bring it up is that people always write in from your community are like, great.

You know, I always hear Dr. Hyman talking about going and test your stool. And there's no shortage of companies that are out there that are offering to test people's stool and send them information. But it's a little bit art. It's a little bit science is what I'm hearing from you when it comes to the interpretation of how to do it. That's where a good functional medicine practitioner could be helpful in helping people navigate that journey. Okay, let's go into the next categories. We have toxins and we have

stress. So let's talk a little bit more about toxins and unpack exactly how like toxins, how can toxins contribute to an overall unbalanced microbiome yeah so toxins uh interrupt normal biology they they poison mitochondria they they jam up enzyme systems they create inflammation they create oxidative stress they directly affect the microbiome for example like glyphosate you know i was I was shocked because like I eat pretty healthy. I try to eat organic. I never eat GMO that I'm aware of when I buy food. But I go out to eat. I'm traveling. And you never know what you're getting. I could be getting canola oil. It's a GMO thing sprayed with glyphosate. It's made my salad dressing or they made my vegetables in or whatever. So I don't always know what I'm eating. And I check my urinary glyphosate it's made my on my salad dressing or it's made they made my vegetables in or whatever

so i don't always know what i'm eating and i check my urinary glyphosate levels and they were like pretty high like they were the 50th percentile i thought it'd be like really good but they weren't and i was like oh boy this stuff's everywhere and that is a microbiome destroying chemical for example uh heavy metals or another one let's just pause on glyphosate because i think some people hear that they're shit, this guy watches everything that he eats and is like paying attention and is like the guy that's teaching people. So it was a little bit of like,

I just didn't want to leave it hanging there. Is it like kind of like we're all doomed or is it like, how are you mitigating that? Well, now I'm a little more careful when I go out and I'm a little more cautious about what I eat and I'm just more smart about it.

But unless you're buying all the food yourself and cooking all yourself, you always don't know what's in stuff. And it's also a reminder that all these other things that you do regularly, working out, sauna, et cetera, taking the right supplements, those things are helpful to get rid of that buildup in your body.

Yeah, and so the toxins just disrupt systems and they disrupt enzyme systems they cause leaky gut and um and they're pretty ubiquitous and and they can be quite profound i mentioned you know another podcast about a guy who had mercury poisoning and i i this was my story i i didn't know what was wrong with me but i i had um lived in china for a year and was exposed to a lot of mercury through the air filter i was cleaning out and ended up you know my life i've always eaten fish i grew up on tuna fish sandwiches i liked swordfish i had fillings i just was exposed to a lot of mercury and i was fine for a little bit when i got back but then i was up in maine and i was at some you know summer camp thing that was at and ended up getting really a bad stomach bug.

So I don't know what it was, but my stomach just blew up like a balloon, extreme bloating and really severe discomfort. And then my whole system just cascaded down. And that's when my chronic fatigue started. That's when I started having severe cognitive issues, muscle injury issues. But my biggest symptom was my gut.

All of a sudden, I couldn't eat anything. I would get bloated. I didn't know it at the time, but I had small bowel overgrowth. I had parasites, but I also had terrible dysbiosis, and I just didn't know why, and I couldn't figure it out,

and it took me a couple of years till I figured out it was mercury and I had diarrhea and bloating and irritable bowel for like five years till I actually was able to get my mercury levels down to normal and then my gut normalized. So often it's kind of weird things that can sometimes be causing it and I think it's important people have gut issues to start with the basics, but then you start thinking if you see that you're really not getting better. Okay, let's go into stress next.

What do you want to talk about when it comes to stress and what do you want people to know when it comes to how stress can significantly destroy our gut? You know, stress is one of those things that is ubiquitous. We all experience it and learning how to deal with it is an important life skill, whether it's through meditation, yoga, hot and cold plunges sleeps whether it's massage

whether it's you know deep relational connection with somebody else whatever it is that resets your nervous system but many of us are just bombarded with chronic stress and it leads to changes in our health and one of the ways it alters our health is through changing our microbiome and the microbiome literally is listening to your thoughts the bacteria know what you're thinking and they they actually change and when you are under chronic stress it changes the bacteria to be more toxic the bad ones grow the good ones die and you end up with more and more dysbiosis which has all these downstream consequences so we know that that you know people say they get gut feelings right this is a real thing that my stomach's in butterflies or my stomach's in knots or my whatever whatever the metaphors we use because the gut is directly connected to your nervous system and there's more neurotransmitters in your gut than there is in

your brain right which is crazy when you think about it and there's a whole separate nervous system called the enteric nervous system which is the basically means the gut nervous system and it communicates with your brain but it's bi-directional so stress here will cause stress in your gut so stress in your brain causes stress in your gut just in your gut will cause stress in your brain so we used to think irritable bowel syndrome was because people were neurotic and that was what was causing the problem. But actually we found out that the inflammation from the irritable bowel because of dysbiosis in the gut creates inflammation in the brain, which makes you anxious and depressed. So it's kind of a bi-directional system.

So stress will mess up your gut, but your gut can mess up your stress, if you know what I mean. Yeah, it makes me, it just reminds us that there's so many things that can all build upon each other and lead to a whole host of gut challenges. There was recently a friend of mine that was on my podcast. Her name is Nishita Patel. She's a nutritionist that's based out of London. And she had shared that her daughter, who suffered with irritable bowel disease,

and had a situation where it sort of showed up out of nowhere for her daughter. And in unpacking it, and that led to a path of learning about functional medicine and becoming a fan of yours and you know your podcast and everything for her daughter what had happened is that they were on a trip i think it was in the mediterranean and they were jet skiing and they were around this area where there was some either algae buildup or oil spill that was there and her daughter fell off the jet ski, ingested a bunch of water, swallowed some sort of items, and pretty much her symptoms started to show up

after that process, which naturally, especially when you didn't know where this came from, leads to more stress. That stress builds on top of the dysbiosis that's there and it all cascades. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So, so, you know, I think you kind of have to deal with all the things that disturb the gut, right? It's, it's your diet, it's stress, it's sleep, it's exercise, it's the right, uh, environments. You're not exposed to toxins at an excess level. All of that is so important. And I think we're so bad in medicine

at dealing with gut issues. It's just embarrassing given what we now know and actually what we were doing. And unfortunately, in conventional medicine, you're either told to eat more fiber or do a FODMAP diet if you have irritable bowel. Now they're treating bacterial overgrowth, but they just give you an antibiotic and they don't deal with anything else to restore the gut or they give you acid blocking

drugs for heartburn which makes more problems downstream and it's really it's really a crime because we know so much about how to deal with these issues i've written many many blogs about your bowel and and reflux and heartburn and encourage you know check them out we'll link to them in the show notes but the reality is that we now know so much about how to handle these problems in a much more effective way through diet and lifestyle and through dealing with looking for root causes and things that and diagnostic tests that we just don't get in the traditional doctor. Hi it's Dr. Mark. Well you probably heard me talk about how much I love infrared saunas on the podcast. They're great for muscle recovery, calming the nervous system, circulation, and immune system support.

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ago, I had chipped a tooth, it broke, I needed a crown, it didn't work, I needed a root canal, and the root canal went bad and I had to take the tooth out and a doctor who was a friend of mine the dentist said look and he's it was an integrative dentist he says look I think you know it's pretty infected you should take an antibiotic and he gave me clindamycin which I know is a regular antibiotics been around forever but it is associated with a particular super infection called c-diff or clostridium difficile which kills about 30,000 people a year and is pretty nasty. And it's very hard to treat. Many of the traditional medicines, which you give other antibiotics to kill,

it's like you take an antibiotic, it causes a problem, you take another antibiotic to kill that and it causes more problems. And then one of the best treatments is actually fecal transplant, believe it or not, it's actually 98% effective, where you take the poop out of a healthy person and give it to someone with this infection. But that same time I had that, I also, a few weeks later, broke my arm.

And I was in pain, and so I was taking like a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, because I didn't want to take narcotics, like morphine or whatever they were giving me. I mean, maybe I should have taken the morphine i don't know and i ended up ended up having terrible gastritis which messed up my gut so my stomach was awful i was in pain nauseous it was awful like and then i developed colitis so some people get cdf and they just get the infection and then it causes diarrhea stuff and they get an antibiotic it goes away other times it develops into colitis so the walls of my comb were thick they were red

they were flame my markers of inflammation called calprotectin were through the roof i mean normal is like 20 30 less mine was like a thousand and it was bad i developed ulcer of colitis as a consequence of taking this antibiotic, which was for a dental procedure that I, you know, in retrospect, I probably wouldn't have taken it. I would have used other things. I may have been nasal rinses or ozone or something else, but it was kind of bad. And I think we have to be very careful when we take these medications because they can create untoward side effects that have long-term consequences. And so it took me a while to revalvac my gut, but now I've been doing that and I feel much better. We're actually launching a product that

I developed out of suffering from that called Gut Food Soon, which is basically designed to rebuild your gut like a multivitamin for your gut. Yeah. And it wouldn't be a Dr. Hyman or Doctors Pharmacy podcast episode if we didn't at least touch on a little bit of food so we covered a lot of non-food contributors again stress toxins dysbiosis but when it comes to um healing the gut uh let's give people a top three so top three things that you think that support gut health and top three things food wise that you think take away from gut yeah i mean the top three things that are likely to cause problems for the gut are gluten, dairy, and refined starch and sugar. Like one, two, three, those are big. If you have gut issues, get rid of those and see what happens. If you want to go in a step a little further, try getting off fermentable starches. Greens and beans are a huge issue. And certain vegetables can be problematic.

There was a very amazing book called Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall years ago, written that talked about how to treat ulcerative colitis by using what she called a specific carbohydrate diet. So it took out all sugars that needed to be digested. So you didn't get this fermentation and this bloating and suspension and inflammation. So those are the things you want to get rid of. The things you want to add are three key things that are in foods that are not specific foods,

but they're in specific foods, which are prebiotics, probiotics, and polyphenols. Prebiotics and prebiotic foods are things that provide fiber to the bacteria that they like that we can't eat. I mean that we can't digest. So they're just food for them. And they're in all sorts of plant foods. Jerusalem artichokes, regular artichokes, plantains, asparagus, a lot of foods have chicory root, a lot of foods have these prebiotic fibers that can be consumed as part of our diet. And just fiber in general, high fiber diets in general are good for the bugs in your gut. Then there's prebiotic foods, which we just talked about, and there's probiotic foods. So those would be sauerkraut, miso, natto, tempeh,

you know, just things that are fermented that have been around for a long time and been used to preserve food that end up actually having probiotics in them. And we barely eat any of those anymore, pickles and pickled vegetables. I even pickles, you know, I grew up on pickles, but pickles count. And then the third are polyphenols,

which is sort of a new discovery that good bacteria like to eat these colorful compounds in plant foods the reds yellows greens purples oranges and the more you can include these polyphenols from a colorful rainbow color diet actually helps fertilize the good bugs bugs things like cranberry pomegranate green tea turmeric various kinds of compounds that we can get it's just part of our diet help fertilize and help gut. So yes, it's cutting out the bad stuff and it's actually eating gut supporting foods. All right, Mark, this is the part of the episode where we go into community questions. And the

first question that we have here from our audience is, I struggle with chronic constipation. What are some things that I could be keeping in mind to alleviate my symptoms? Well, constipation is very common, and it's often, we call it irritable bowel syndrome C, or constipation, there's irritable bowel syndrome D, which is diarrhea, but constipation is very common, and there can be many reasons for it that are not food-related.

Hydration is a big one, people not drinking enough water. Magnesium deficiency is a huge one. Now, magnesium deficiency is a huge one now magnesium deficiency is sort of food related but not necessarily it's really because one our diet is so deficient magnesium which comes from greens and beans and nuts which we eat very little of and two we do a lot of things that cause us to lose magnesium caffeine sugar alcohol stress all cause you to leak magnesium so getting enough magnesium is important and magnesium citrate can be very, very helpful.

And then there's other factors that can cause constipation that are based on dysbiosis, like yeast overgrowth is a big cause of constipation. Dairy is a big cause of constipation, even though for some people it can cause lactose intolerance and diarrhea, it can cause constipation for many people. In fact, it's the number one cause

of constipation in little kids. And it's also the number one cause of anemia, which is kind of striking. Why? Because it's an irritating protein, set of proteins in dairy that irritate the gut and cause bleeding in the intestines of little kids wow don't think about that um i'm not making this stuff up this is in national library of medicine

pub med major journals so so constipation is really common and it can be also caused by parasites or other other issues so uh and one case i had was really fascinating she had a she had a tick infection babesia which caused a a nerve paralysis in her gut, which is really unusual. So there's some of these unusual causes, but it's usually constipation is really easy to fix by upping the fiber, upping magnesium, upping vitamin C, you know, upping hydration. And for most people, you know, that'll work. I had a patient once who was a radiation oncologist.

She was a resident actually at the time. And she had severe headaches, migraines. And she had been treated. She was a resident at the Mayo Clinic, right? She was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic, which is where everybody goes to figure out problems that no one can fix. And she saw everybody and no one could fix her. And she was taking all the preventive drugs and all these different drugs.

And it was just stuck. She was on narcotics and Zofran and chemo drug, like chemotherapy, anti-nausea drugs that would be used for chemotherapy. I mean, it wasn't working. And she came to me and said, okay, you have migraines, but what else do you have? Let's talk. And so we went through a list and she had constip me and said, okay, you have migraines, but what else do you have? Let's talk. And so we went through a list,

and she had constipation that was severe. She had palpitation. She had anxiety. She had insomnia. She had muscle cramps. These are all magnesium deficiency symptoms. I said to her, so how often do you go to the bathroom? She said, well, I'm pretty regular.

I said, well, how often do you go? Well, she's like, I go every week. I'm like, that's not regular. Well, she says, regular for me. I said, what happened? You go? Well, she's like, I go every week. I'm like, that's not regular. Well, she says, regular for me. I go every week. I'm like, you should go every day or twice a day. She's like, really? It's amazing. People don't even know what's normal. And so I gave her enormous doses of magnesium because it was what it took to get her to go to the bathroom and her headaches went away. Her muscle cramps went away. Her constipation went away, palpitations went away, all this insomnia went away. And so it really shed a magnesium deficiency problem. When somebody comes into the Ultra Wellness Center, one of the things

we do is every person that sees the doctor has to work with the nutritionist as well. And so we assess their intake. What are they eating? What's their nutrient intake like? But then we also have to assess how are they digesting and absorbing? Because it's not just what you're eating, but how are you digesting and absorbing those nutrients? And then we do a really careful analysis of somebody's nutritional status. So, you know, you can look at functional markers of B vitamins and get a really better understanding of what somebody needs. You can get, you can really look at levels of fatty acids, um, uh, in, you know, uh, fat soluble vitamins in their body. You can get a good sense of mineral levels in their body,

protein levels, amino acid levels. And all of these things are important to assess. So you get a sense of not only is the person eating enough, but are they absorbing? Are they digesting and absorbing well enough to assimilate these nutrients and have enough in their body? And of course, some people just genetically need more. That's what's so fascinating about nutrigenomics, right? We're learning about how some people just need more vitamin D than other people. Even their blood level may look fine, but they may do better with more. And the same thing with things like vitamin A. So there's genetics that are involved here as well that influence our individual need. So this is an area that we can really influence significantly and help people's health improve.

Yeah. You know what's fascinating? Some of the data I've seen about why we are so overweight. And what's fascinating, and they've done controlled trials with this, where they'll take people and say, okay, eat as much as you want of nutrient-dense food. Like eat 14,000 avocados or 10 pounds of broccoli or 20 chickens, whatever. You can eat as much as you want. And then they say, okay, another group, you eat, you know, all this other food, which is, you know, the typical American diet,

which is more processed food. And you can eat as much as you want. And what they found was that the people who ate the processed food were hungrier and they ate 500 calories more a day, which is interesting that when you eat nutrient depleted food, you want more food. And this is the body's natural intelligence trying to accommodate for looking for nutrients, but they're looking in the wrong places. So we remember there's this thing we learned about in medical school called pica, which is where kids will eat dirt if they're iron deficient, right? Just like animals will go to a salt lick or lick. I mean, I remember being in Bolivia and Peru on the beach and there was this mineral-rich deposits on the beach.

And the birds and the animals just were flocking to go get these minerals and nutrients, which they knew they needed. Well, we try to do the same thing, except when we go to get the Twinkies or we get the Doritos or we get the whatever, Coca-Cola, there's nothing in there. And so we keep looking and looking and looking. We're looking in the wrong place for the nutrients that we need to optimize our health. And I think, you know, I just so frustrated with, you know, even, you know, highly educated doctors, nutritionists, and even the government is just not talking about this sort of incredible pandemic we're having of malnutrition in this country. And in fact, some of the most rampant malnutrition is in the

most obese populations, especially in kids. Now, I mean, I'm shocked when we, you know, we rarely get virgin patients in our clinic, you know, which is what I mean by virgin is someone who's not already focused on their health, who's not already eating well. Like we already get the people who are trying to do all the normal stuff. So we get the cases that are the hardest cases. But a few times in my career, I've had these, you know, sort of virgin patients who just show up and they're like, well, I'm just sort of the average Joe and I'm eating American diet. This one kid, I just, well, he had ADD and I was just like blown away by the level of deficiencies that this kid had and his poor nutrition because he ate junk food and processed

food. He had severe omega-3 deficiency, severe folate deficiency, B6 deficiency, zinc deficiency, magnesium deficiency, vitamin D deficiency. And I was like, wow. And then he had all these other things in his blood like trans fats and all this inflammatory stuff. And I was like, this is just incredible that we're seeing this level of malnutrition in America today. Yeah. And I think you're absolutely right. It is impressive, negatively impressive. It's really

sad just to see the level of malnutrition that we are seeing. And I think that because our food is so processed and devoid of nutrients, and people are just eating more and more of it to get what their body needs, that's why we're seeing so much obesity. So the first thing we always focus on with people is to say, make sure that everything you are eating is as nutrient rich as possible because, you know, unfortunately, like you mentioned this, you know, the, the, our, our mineral deficient soil and the farming practices and, and everything it's, it's really stacked up against us. So we really need to think about it. You don't want to waste your calories on, on food that doesn't have all the nutrients that your body needs,

because that's just going to help you feel better and help everything work better and help our skin look better and help make it easier to maintain a healthy weight and have better energy and be able to go out for a run and be able to focus in school. I mean, it's impressive what we see when we just clean up somebody's diet, but also do those special evaluations to really look and see. And I am like you, I'm always amazed by the deficiencies we see and what gets missed when somebody just goes in for their yearly physical and they have a CBC and a metabolic panel and people aren't looking. Yeah. Dr. Zoll, your tests are fine. You're great. Everything's good. Don't

worry. I'll see you next year. But when you lift up the hood and you look underneath, which is what we do with the Ultrabando Center, we test for omega-3 fats. We test for vitamin D. We test for zinc. We test for magnesium. We test for the B vitamin pathways, B12, folate, B6. We do all sorts of sophisticated testing using blood and urine. We look at the genetics that are involved in nutritional status. I mean, how do we know if you need more folate or these B vitamins or whatever, vitamin D, you might have unique needs that we can actually test for by looking at some of these enzymes that are requiring you to have increased amounts of these nutrients. And what's, you know, what's really exciting to me is we really have the potential to really change the health of America by focusing on nutrition

quality. In my first book, Gallup's Prevention, I talked about the nutrient to calorie ratio, like how many nutrients, how many calories. Coca-Cola is terrible. There's no nutrients, tons of calories. Broccoli is awesome. There's tons of nutrients, no calories, right? So it's pretty simple way of thinking about it, but it helps you sort of crystallize the fact that we need to really upgrade the quality of our diet and to do the right diagnostic tests. What I'd like to do, Liz, just kind of for sort of a mental exercise is to go through with you the common nutritional deficiencies and talk about, you know, how they show up for us in terms of symptoms and signs. You know, you were really critical in the nutrition curriculum at the Institute for Functional

Medicine. You're an RD as well as an MD. And you helped design the nutrition physical exam, which is kind of a novel concept for a lot of people. But in Cleveland Clinic, we started teaching it to the medical students, which was great. And essentially, it's a way of looking at what are the common ways we can tell for people listening, how do you know if you're nutrient deficient? I mean, yes, you can go to a functional medicine doctor. Yes, you can come to the Ultra Wellness Center. You can see one of us. We can get all the testing. But there's some kind of simple things that you can do to test and simple questionnaires that you can fill out to figure out, are you deficient in D or zinc or B vitamins or omega-3 fats? So take us through some of them.

Let's just start with omega-3s, magnesium, and vitamin D. Those are big ones that we see. Tell us about how you would clue in people whether they had a risk for that and whether that's a problem. So omega-3 deficiencies are so common. In fact, we check so many people for their omega-3 levels. So we do a finger prick that is called an omega quant. And what that measures is the amount of omega-3s within the red blood cell membrane. And even with people on fish oil supplementation or people who eat a good amount of fatty fish, salmon and sardines, we still see low levels.

We still see them being below what we optimally want them to be at. So you want to be at at least 8% of your red blood cell membrane made up of those omega-3 fats. So I'm amazed at how frequently we see that. But what signals to me, okay, we've got to think about omega-3s other than everything. So we think about it so much, but if people have brain issues, right? Problems with focus and cognition and mood, um, memory issues, we think a lot about omega threes. We think about omega three fats when people have inflammatory disorders like asthma, because, uh, because low levels of omega ths can result in increased inflammation in the body. And we think about omega-3s when we're dealing with people with issues with their hair and their skin.

If their hair is dry, if their skin is dry, if they've got the bumps on the back of their arms, I'm thinking, okay, what's their omega-3 levels like? Chicken skin, right? Yeah. Is it just, are they not getting enough or are they not absorbing enough? You know, so those are the reasons. Of course, if their cholesterol pattern looks bad, if they look like they have signs of insulin resistance, high triglycerides, low HDL, I'm thinking, what's their omega-3s? I've got to give them more.

So those are just some of the reasons why I know I need to what's their omega-3s? I've got to give them more. So those are just some of the reasons why I know I need to give somebody more omega-3 fats. Yeah, right. If you have dry, itchy, scaling skin or flaking skin or cracked or brittle nails, like my nails are so strong because I take omega-3 fats. Earwax, you have really hard earwax, dandruff, joint pain, constipation, like you said, mood, attention, memory, blood pressure issues, PMS, all these things are kind of clues that you might have a deficiency. And then of course, we test through the Omega check or other lab tests. So that's really helpful. So you can literally, by virtue of just looking at your own symptoms, tell a lot about what's going on.

One of the things that happened to me when I was young, and I mean, I had pretty normal gut up until I was about 36 years old. And then I got mercury poisoning from living in China. And that completely screwed up my system. And I don't know what exactly happened, but we do know that heavy metals and other toxins can interfere with gut function and your immune system and cause leaky gut and affect your enzymes and do so many different things. So I went from one day to the next from being normal to feeling like I was basically inhabited by an alien where they were blowing up a balloon in my stomach. My stomach was so full of gas, I couldn't release. It was so painful. I felt like I was going to explode. I developed horrible diarrhea, undigested food in

my stool. I developed all these other secondary problems as a result, rashes all over my face, chronic fatigue, muscle aches. And my gut was just at the center of this problem. And I literally struggled to get it to work for a long time until I figured out that the mercury was a big factor. And then I got rid of the mercury, and then my gut started to function better. And just for context, you were living in, at the time,

I think it was Shanghai. China. I was living in China and Beijing. And Beijing. And just for context, you were living in, at the time, I think it was Shanghai. China. I was living in China and Beijing. And Beijing. And it was a pollution, I guess. And they have a lot of the coal factories, which that's where a lot of the mercury comes from. Yeah. And Beijing has people all who heat their homes with raw coal. It's not a factory.

It's just people, instead of they turn their thermostat, they have a coal burning stove. That's how they heat in the winter. And you get these huge inversions. And you can't see the building across the street on a sunny day because it's so polluted with coal. Wow. But I was very susceptible to it. And that was the first thing. And then I really had to learn how to reset the gut.

And that's what I've been doing in functional medicine. And then a few years ago, I got mold poisoning. So that happened. You got better. You found functional medicine. You were good. You were smooth sailing. And then a few years ago, I got mold poisoning. So that happened. You got better. You found functional medicine. You were good. You were smooth sailing. And then a few years ago.

And then I had a house. It's a barn. And I got mold in it. And I had a really bad mold. And I had a terrible cough and just really kind of symptoms from it. At the same time, I had a tooth that went bad in the root canal. I had to have that pulled. I didn't need any antibiotic.

And so I took an antibiotic called clindamycin, which is common for dental treatments, but it also is one of the biggest causes of something called C. difficile or cholesterol difficile, which is a terrible intestinal infection that kills over 30,000 people a year. And it's quite dangerous. And so that's what I had. And it developed into a full-blown colitis and my stomach just went haywire and I couldn't fix it. And I did my stool test during that time. And Drew, I have looked at more poop than you could ever imagine in your life, probably 30,000 or 40,000 of these tests. And mine was probably one of the worst I'd ever seen in my entire life. Like of all the tests that I'd seen, it was so terrible. Which means what?

Which means my inflammation levels were high. All the biomarkers, my healthy bacteria were gone. It was chaos in there. There was no good guys. It was all bad guys. It was all inflamed and nothing was working. And so I basically tried to figure out how to get healthy again. And it was really tough because I was having, then it developed into a full-blown colitis and I developed 20 bloody bowel movements a day. I lost 30 pounds. I was just a mess. And I was on the way to dying, literally. And I could barely eat. I was nauseous 24-7, had severe gastritis. And from taking all the anti-inflammatories, I broke my arms. It was like a whole perfect storm. And so I ended up to reinvent how to fix myself. That's when I really began to look at, you know, what do we now

know that we didn't know five or 10 years ago about how do we reset the gut? And so, yes, it was getting rid of the mold, but also for me was really understanding how to put together the right cocktail of ingredients to one, heal my gut and to get rid of the bad stuff, but also to add in the things that really are needed to restore the microbiome. And so I came up with a cocktail of things, including polyphenols, which we're going to talk about, which I think we're a much neglected area of research around the gut, which is the bacteria like to eat all these colorful plant compounds called polyphenols. These food is medicine. And then what are the other things that could be helpful?

Immunoglobulins and prebiotics and probiotics and just kind of what is the right cocktail of stuff to reset? When I started using that myself, I kind of created it out of all the things that I've known in functional medicine. It was a miracle. Then I started using it on patients and I was like, wow, this stuff really works

because I'm always guinea pig myself first and then I try to see on patients and I was like, wow, this stuff really works. Cause I mean, I always guinea pig myself first and then, and then I try to see if it works for people. And it was amazing. People will say, this is the first time my gut's been normal. I have no more colitis. My, all my IBS is gone. I feel amazing. And my poops are normal and perfect. And I was like, fantastic. You know, this is great. And so then we started talking about how do we, how do we help people get this? Cause it was a lot. It's a lot of hassle to put all this stuff together. Right. And it's a lot of products from a lot of different places.

And yeah, and you've had a blog post out for a couple of years now based on that experience. And by the way, I was around during that time. And you were in and out of the emergency room a couple of times. I was in the hospital. At one point in time, honestly, we thought like, was this guy poisoned by somebody? Like, were you poisoned by, you know, nefarious actors or the industry or whatever, because they're trying to take you out. Maybe.

It was really mind blowing. But like you said, it was the perfect storm of things. But it actually, in classic Dr. Hyman style, you kind of became the guinea pig again, and it led to this whole other journey of you going deep down the rabbit hole. And now I have perfect poops. One of the biggest reasons that we see that people get imbalances or dysbiosis, imbalances in their gut bacteria, are antibiotics. I mean, when we over-prescribe antibiotics, or people have been on large courses of antibiotics for certain reasons, you know,

chronic infections, or they just, you know, they got on too many antibiotics when they were younger. What happens is it can result in this imbalance in the good and bad bacteria in our system. It can get rid of some of the good bacteria and fungus, yeast, and things that keep that ecosystem in better balance. So, you know, too many antibiotics, too many antibiotics in our food supply. We know that things like that stress has a huge impact because stress in our life impacts our motility and how well things move through our system. So, you know, we know that people get bloating, you know, not just, this isn't just SIBO, but bloating because of, you know,

sometimes if they're eating too quickly, you know, they're not digesting their food properly. So they are swallowing air or eating too quickly. Probably that's what I do. I eat too fast. And I explain some of my issues. So, yeah. Moving on to the my issues. So, yeah. And there's more, right? Moving on to the next thing. Right, right. So, I mean, and then there's, you know, things like lactose intolerance, which is, you know, lactose intolerance is so common. You know, that's the

decrease in that lactase enzyme that's in our intestines that breaks down lactose. And when we don't have enough of that lactase enzyme, then we can't digest our lactose very well, which is in dairy, you know? And so, we've done a lot of different podcasts on dairy and all the issues. But what we know is that for everybody, by the time they reach 100, they become lactose intolerant. You know, so everybody in the whole world is that way. And some people become lactose intolerant at age. So no cheese after 100? Some people become lactose intolerant at age two.

Some people at 50. I was just in Sardinia and I saw these little 100-year-old people eating a lot of goat cheese and sheep cheese and they were doing good. Well, you know, and what do we know about what, when we say lactose intolerant, it's important to recognize it's a spectrum, right? So that there is, you know, when you're, you know, what does it mean to be lactose intolerant? It means you only, you're not as tolerant to digesting as much of the lactose. And that's what gets people so confused all the time about foods and food sensitivities. They're like, well, I ate that yesterday and I was fine,

but then today I'm really struggling. And it's really because of the volume, right? You can, you know, many times you can get away with a certain amount of lactose, right? And then other times if it's, if it's, you have two servings or whatever, then it pushes your body over the edge because you don't have enough of that enzyme to digest it. So it's, you know, it's, it's a spectrum and, and, and that's what we see all, all of the time. You know, it's also important to recognize there's other things that can cause bloating. Things like constipation can cause bloating. We know not having good motility, you know, maybe because of autoimmune processes or just a gastroparesis. Diabetes.

Not good motility, right? Exactly. If your bloating is all the time or if it's not getting better, you really want to get evaluated because there are some cancers that can cause bloating and GYN issues, gynecological cancers. So there's more things that can cause bloating. It's important that we pay attention to all of those when we're getting a really good history and timeline from our patients. I agree.

I mean, I think there are certain things, you know, we see commonly like the bacterial overgrowth. It's often because of people taking antibiotics or other drugs. You know, in fact, one of the things that people really don't realize is that the acid blocking drugs, which are the third leading class of drugs sold in America, okay? These are like Prilosec, Protonix, Nexium, Massifex, all those drugs. They're given out like candy. And they cause bacterial overgrowth. And they cause fungal overgrowth because they change the pH, they change the environment. And so, while you may not heartburn, you end up getting irritable bowel. That's one of the side effects of these drugs. So, I think it's important for people taking those to realize they're not lifelong drugs. There's ways to fix the underlying problem.

And the other thing that I found often is these sugar alcohols that are now in all these healthy products that are highly fermentable, non-digestible sugar alcohols like erythritol, xylitol, sorbitol, malotrol. And they are in a lot of these foods. And some people do fine with them. Some people don't. But I know if I have a – way back when, I think it was like 20 years ago when this stuff was just coming out, someone gave me this like sugar-free chocolate bar which was full of melatonol. And I ate the thing at Kenya Ranch and I literally couldn't see patients

the whole afternoon because my stomach just was going crazy. You were doubled over in pain, right? Oh, my God. And then, you know, I think you've got other things that I found clinically. You found this too. I don't know how much documented this, but certain things like tick infections, like Babesia and others can cause motility issues in the gut or heavy metals. So, I often, you know, if we don't get better initially, I start to look for other factors. So I think, so these are really common problems. And, you know, 10% of all like loss of

productivity in corporate healthcare is from irritable bowel. So it's a huge economic burden on society. And it's the number one reason for visits to the doctor for anything. I mean, so important about the additives in foods. And sometimes people, you know, that's something you really have to delve in deep with people on and look about, okay, what bars are you eating? What even certain, you know, shakes that have, like you said, some of the sugar alcohols in them, chewing gum, you know, people always forget about chewing gum and how much that can cause bloating because of some of the sugar alcohols in them. And so you've got to pull

those away just to help people feel better. Absolutely. And I think it's a bit of a detective job. And a lot of processed foods has emulsifiers and thickeners that tend to cause leaky gut and other issues. So there's just so much opportunity by focusing on a very detailed history to figure out what are the culprits. And if you're not eating anything that's real food, if you're eating not real food, you know, it could be a thing like fructose is a big factor. A lot of high fructose corn syrup and stuff, and people have fructose intolerance. So there's a lot of issues that we can really deal with. So take us now, those are the causes. And those are the things we tend to think about and test for. We test for gluten, we test for food sensitivities, we test for a lot of things.

What would be an approach that we would take typically to deal with these people with the food baby bloating thing? And let's just say it's kind of the typical kind of cancer or Lyme disease. Right, right, right. I mean, exactly, right. So you mentioned about the Lyme disease. That's really, I think, important when people are not getting better, when they're being treated so many times and they're not getting better. But so, yes, so we often will test for dysbiosis. So we're testing for SIBO, but we also do stool testing that is, you know, it's fascinating just some of the revelations we're having and improvements in stool testing, we can look at levels of good and bad bacteria and balances in good and bad bacteria and work to shift those

as well, which can be really helpful. And one of the first things we always start with, of course, is dietary changes. So we'll either put somebody, depending on their history, their story, and where they are and their level of motivation, we'll either put somebody, depending on their history, their story, and where they are and their level of motivation, we either put them on a dairy-free diet or we put them on a gluten-dairy-free diet, or we might put them on a low FODMAPS diet. So FODMAPS, you know, people have, maybe people have heard about FODMAPS. And so it's important for us to just sort of delve into that a little bit, but FODMAP bit. Yeah. What does that mean? What does that mean? Yeah. So FODMAPs foods are fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides,

and polyols. And so these are these carbohydrates that are not completely absorbed for some reason, either because of some maldigestion or just because they're harder to absorb carbohydrates. And then they get, when there's the wrong bacteria in the wrong place, they consume those carbohydrates and produce gas. So, you know, so the oligosaccharides, those are things like wheat and rye and onions and garlic and legumes. Disaccharides are things like lactose and dairy. Monosaccharides are things like fructose, like high fructose corn syrup, like you mentioned, honey and apples. The polyols, those are things like sorbitol and mannitol, the artificial sweeteners and some fruits contain some of these polyols. And so, one of the first things we do is say, okay, maybe we should try a low FODMAPS diet for a period of time. So,

there are some foods on this list that are good, healthy foods that, you know, you don't want to stay off of forever. So it's usually with a low FODMAPs diet, it's for a period of time that you're putting, taking people off of these, these carbohydrates that are fermentable. And, um, and then over time working to reintroduce the healthy ones for that person. The Monash University has a really good website, lots of good resources on FODMAP's foods. But in general, you pull away things like wheat and rye and onions and leeks and cauliflower and apples and dried fruits and sugars and high fructose corn syrups and legumes. And you do that for a period of time. Not everybody needs to go to that level. And for many people, it's important that they work with somebody who's, you know,

a nutritionist or somebody who can help them navigate the world with this because it can be, you know, like I was mentioning earlier, you got to figure out what you're able to eat. So, Ben, let's talk about some of the other sort of approaches besides the dietary restrictions that we would take, you know, we might get off gluten and dairy, get off grains, get off beans, get off sugars, get off all the things that you mentioned. Then, you know, what do you do for the bad bugs? How do you reset the gut? How do you sort of rebuild the gut? Oh, great question. So, you know, depending on what's going on in terms of the dysbiosis, right? Dysbiosis just means imbalance in good and bad bacteria and yeast. And depending on what we find is going on, we will treat that. And so we can treat that with a prescription

medication. So sometimes we'll use an antibiotic. I know that sounds kind of crazy because you're like, yeah, we're like, we, we, we, we know antibiotics cause dysbiosis true, but sometimes if people, depending on their level of symptoms, they do, you know, we can improve symptoms with a short course of, of a non-absorbed antibiotic. So, sometimes we'll use an antibiotic for a period of time, and then we'll use an antifungal medication. And then there are times- Because you always follow the antibiotic with antifungal? Yeah. I mean, I often do. And again, it depends on what I find with the testing we do through stool testing and breath testing and their clinical situation. So I often will follow with an antifungal

or I'll follow with an herbal medication that includes, there are many different herbs that they have affected both treating bacteria and yeasts. So we can use some herbal regimens. There's a lot of good ones out there that will treat both bacteria and yeast overgrowth. And that's one of the nice things about herbal regimens, I find, is that with when you're resetting the bacteria in the gut and the yeast in the gut is, you know, they may be a little slower to act, but they sometimes are really effective long-term. So there's a few herbal regimens that we use very often, and some have been really well studied. We also do things that help the body with digesting your food. So whether that's something that increases acid in the stomach like betaine HCL

or a digestive enzyme, there's digestive enzymes that are plant-based digestive enzymes. And then there are other digestive enzymes that are, you know, that comes from their porcine, their glandular digestive enzymes. Those things help with, yeah, breaking down your food, your protein, your carbohydrates. They help with breaking them down so that they're easier to absorb into the body and less likely to feed the dysbiotic bacteria that we were talking about. So, you know, that's also really helpful. So I think the unique thing about functional medicine is that you not only just sort of get rid of the bugs, but you focus on resetting the whole gut. And, you know, whether it's an antibiotic, any fungal and herbs, and I'd love you to talk about what herbs, or then you add in enzymes and other pre and probiotics and

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