The Dr. Hyman Show - How Your Health Is Connected to Soil Health

Episode Date: October 11, 2019

You may be surprised to learn that we see genetic crosstalk between the bacteria we harbor in our bodies and the bacteria or microbes within our soil. In fact, food acts as a language helping the two communicate. In this minisode, Dr. Hyman speaks to Drs. Daphne Miller and Jeffrey Bland about the evolving understanding of soil’s incredibly important role in creating, and maintaining a healthy ecosystem—for both the environment and our bodies. Dr. Daphne Miller is a practicing family physician, Clinical Professor at the University of California San Francisco, and Founder of the Health from the Soil Up Initiative. She is the author of two books: The Jungle Effect: Healthiest Diets from Around the World and Farmacology: Total Health from the Soil Up. Dr. Jeffrey Bland is the father of the Functional Medicine movement. With his wife, Dr. Bland founded The Institute for Functional Medicine in 1991, a nonprofit organization focused on educating healthcare practitioners on effective approaches to treating and preventing chronic disease. Dr. Bland has authored five books on nutritional medicine for the healthcare professional and six books on nutrition and health including The Disease Delusion: Conquering the Causes of Chronic Illness for a Healthier, Longer, and Happier Life, Your Health Under Siege: Using Nutrition to Fight Back, and Genetic Nutritioneering. He is also the principal author of over 120 peer-reviewed research papers on nutritional biochemistry and medicine. Listen to Dr. Hyman’s full-length conversation with Dr. Daphne Miller: https://DrMarkHyman.lnk.to/DrDaphneMiller Listen to Dr. Hyman’s full-length conversation with Dr. Jeffrey Bland: https://DrMarkHyman.lnk.to/DrJeffreyBland

Coming up on this week's episode of The Doctor's Pharmacy. I wish that everybody who decided to become a doctor or a nurse or a nurse practitioner or just, you know, any kind of healer in healthcare spent two years working with ecologists or farmers or someone who works with natural systems. By the way, we are one. Yeah, we are one. Yeah, we are one. And it's farmers who really are coming forward and saying there are principles of soil health that are super important, not just for protecting soil and for protecting the environment, but

also for protecting and nourishing humans. Hi, I'm Kea Perot, one of the producers of the Doctors Pharmacy podcast. As a functional medicine doctor, Dr. Hyman focuses on treating the body as a system rather than treating the individual symptoms. In this mini episode, Dr. Hyman explores how this application of systems biology extends beyond our body's inner workings to its interaction with the natural environment. Here's Dr. Hyman in conversation with family physician and founder of the Health from the Soil Up initiative, Dr. Daphne Miller. You're describing this as sort of broad

range of things where you're seeing the harm that our current agricultural production system does to the workers, right? Because of toxic use of chemicals, because of poor working conditions, because of being almost indentured servants, and human rights really is a huge issue there. At the same time, we're hurting the soil that we grow our food in, so our soil is depleted, our food is depleted. And then the food we are growing is commodity products that are turned into processed food, like corn, wheat, and soy that end up causing all this chronic disease on the other end of the spectrum. And it's this huge problem and everything's

connected. And that is some of the beauty of your work where you actually are connecting the dots between all these things that don't seem connected. Like what is the microbiology of the soil have to do with us? And you talk a lot about this in your work and i'm fascinated to sort of dig into this because when again i get a little bit deep right away about how the microbiome which is this brand new topic in medicine that didn't even exist when we were in medical school connects to the microbiome of the soil and why that's important i mean for example you tell people don't wash your organic vegetables, right? Eat the dirt, right? So talk about how you came to understand that

and what the science is behind that and what we need to do to change what's happening. Well, first of all, I want to say that I really appreciate what you said before in terms of getting the big picture there, because there's actually a lot of people in medicine who still don't, that this really is a story on the unhealthful side of exploitation of workers, exploitation of soil, and then exploitation of our own bodies, we who are the recipients of that food and that system. And I think that's a very important notion to grab onto. So we can't heal communities unless we actually take care of farm workers and take care of soil. But the microbiome is this wonderful way of tracking that connection. It's kind of a nerdy scientific way of telling that story that you just told. Because in fact, what's so unbelievable

about doing this work is that it tracks through on many levels, from the microbial to the cultural, you know, so micro to macro, you know, from legislative to cellular. And the story of how our internal microbiome, all these, you know, billions of bacteria and fungi, nematodes, how they are linked to soil is still trying to be understood and told. It's not the sciences, you know, in its infancy. And we know, of course, that our microbiome is a unique microbiome. You know, each one ofome is a unique microbiome. You know, each one of us has a unique microbiome. It's like a fingerprint. It's a fingerprint. It's not the same microbiome as soil, but we know that there is a lot of crosstalk. We, you know, evolved as these single cell creatures out of soil. We all grew up in the dirt, right? Hunting and gathering. And over millennia, what's happened is that different microbes have found their distinct

niches, but that they in fact do communicate. And this research is slowly, slowly coming out. And food is probably one of the really important shuttles that goes back and forth in terms of informing the two microbiomes and influencing them in different ways. But it's not to say that our microbiome is the same as soil microbiome. But there's crosstalk, which is this concept of meta... There is absolutely genetic crosstalk. Conventional medicine encourages the diagnosis of disease followed by standardized treatment. However, naming disease becomes increasingly meaningless as we understand our inner workings

and biological systems within the context of our entire organism. Dr. Hyman further explored this topic with his mentor and father of functional medicine, Dr. Jeffrey Bland. Using the lens of functional medicine, the things that you've helped us know and understand, and really just getting people to sort of do those simple things that make profound difference. So it's changing the information. And that food is information.

Everything is information. Exercise information. Sleep is information. Thoughts are information. And these are all communicating with every cell and every system in your body every second. And when you understand that, then it's enormously empowering because then you can do something And these are all communicating with every cell and every system in your body every second. And when you understand that, then it's enormously empowering because then you can do something about it. Precisely.

We have now understood, starting to understand, I don't want to say complete understanding, but we're starting to understand that this outside world, the things that we eat that come from the soils and the environment from which nature nurtures, have an inborn communication connection to our body's receptor systems that signals through every DNA molecule that creates our function. Now that is a paradigm shifting concept,

that we're connected into the soil, into the air, into the water, into the sun, in ways that are directly tied to these biological processes that we call intracellular signal transduction, for which we are involved in matrices not disconnected from the world but an integrated part of the network of the world into our biology yeah i gotta unpack that because i was deep so what what dr bland is saying and i've been his official translator for 20 years, is that we are constantly in communication with everything, with the sun, water, the air, the earth, with environmental

toxins, with our food, which is the biggest thing that we deal with every day. So this is really information science. Biology has turned into information science and understanding how do we interact with all the information that's around us and in us and all the microbes in us, all the food we eat, and that this is far more relevant than trying to just categorize people into groups around diseases and find the right drug for it. And once we understand that this complete dynamic crosstalk of information is actually driving all the things we see, then we have a whole new way of like not only thinking about it, but treating people from these first principles and seeing extraordinary results when like we never imagined possible.

Conventional farming practices like pesticide use, heavy tillage, and a failure to add organic matter back into the soil are resulting in many negative outcomes. The soil microbiome with which our microbes co-evolved is being depleted. This is affecting our food, our health, and the health of our soil. By supporting regenerative agriculture practices and avoiding processed foods, which are primarily made from commodity crops, we can help support a healthy ecosystem both in our environment and in our bodies. If there's someone in your life you think would enjoy this mini episode, please consider sharing it with them.

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