The Dr. Hyman Show - Is It Okay To Eat Cheese And What Types Of Dairy Should You Avoid?

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Starting point is 00:02:40 regards to dairy intake in your diet. Despite the fact that the government says to eat three glasses of milk a day or to drink three glasses of milk a day for adults and two for kids, there's really no scientific basis for that. And we're gonna get into the details of that. Now, today's podcast is part of our little series called Health Bites, small bits of information that can help you live a longer, healthier life

Starting point is 00:03:02 by taking small actions every day. And I think this one's gonna be an important one for you. So if I handed you a beverage, right, that would cause you to gain weight, cause bloating, acne, gas, allergies, eczema, make your bones brittle, maybe even cause cancer, would you drink it? Would you chug three cups of that liquid every day

Starting point is 00:03:24 and give two cups to your children? Well, probably not. Yet that is exactly what the federal government tells us to do. And that milk is the perfect food for Americans and they should drink it daily, three glasses to be exact, in spite of a large and growing body of research that shows its lack of benefits and potentially awful side effects. Now, I agree, it is nature's perfect food, but only if you're a calf, okay? So even though milk's today, cow's milk particularly, contains dozens of reproductive hormones, allergenic proteins, antibiotics, growth factors, growth hormone like Bowling growth hormone, some of which, by the way,

Starting point is 00:04:03 are known to promote cancer, the dairy industry wants us to believe that their cows are happily producing milk and grazing through green pastures. For the most part, it couldn't be further from the truth. So today we're going to talk about why dairy is such a contentious food, how to tackle the pros and cons of whether it belongs in your diet, and maybe which dairy is okay to eat. Now, here's the truth. Now, I wrote a book called Food Fix where I went

Starting point is 00:04:27 deep into the machinations of the food industry, the collusion between government and the food industry. And by the way, there's a lot of revolving doors. So people from the dairy council work for the government and go back to work for the dairy Council. And it's kind of a mess. Now, Big Dairy is really behind the headlines that milk is good for you. It's a $47 billion a year industry. It's one of the most influential food lobbyists on Capitol Hill. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, which is a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics. The dairy industry gave nearly $46 million to politicians between 1990 and 2016. In 2015, the committee of scientific experts that shapes the dietary guidelines included two members with financial ties to Big Dairy. Furthermore, the dairy industry spent millions of dollars

Starting point is 00:05:20 funding studies that claim that milk offers benefits like weight loss, improved health, and stronger bones. Now, I'll just tell you a quick story. Years ago, I was on Martha Stewart's television show, which no longer exists. And we were talking about optimal performance and health and I was one of the experts. Now, when you're an expert on a TV show, you don't get cue cards. You got to know your stuff. And you got to just say what you got to say when you got to say it. Now, there was a trainer that she had. I think it was her trainer, that was also on the show. And I talked to the producer, we were talking about the segment, and he said, well, we're going to talk about how dairy is this great sports drink. And I said, wait a minute,

Starting point is 00:05:57 where are you getting that information? He says, well, I said, listen, here, let me send you a bunch of papers. So I went through PubMed and I sent them all the papers showing that this is not true. And I also showed them the papers that said it was true, but they were all funded by the Dairy Council. Now when a food industry organization or agency or a council funds a study, it's eight to 50 times more likely to show a positive benefit. In other words, if Coca-Cola does a study on soda, it's going to find that it doesn't cause obesity. Or if the Dairy Council does a study on milk, it's going to find it's good for your bones and it's good for exercise and everything else. But actually, it's pretty frightening. So anyway, I was in this show and the trainer had these cue cards by the camera. There were these giant cue cards which had all the talking points which were all wrong about why dairy is a perfect post-workout food.

Starting point is 00:06:53 And I was like, whoa, why are you doing this? She said, well, the producer said, well, the Dairy Council is funding this segment of the show. And I was just flabbergasted. So we think we're getting straight-up information. We're just not. First of all, we need to know this. The whole Got Milk campaign, you know, the mustache thing where you had all the health and human services secretary, all the athletes, all the celebrities, you know, wearing the milk mustache,

Starting point is 00:07:23 that was funded in part by the government, something called the checkout program and the dairy council. And it was promoting all these claims like it's great for your bones and it's great for this and it's great for that, but it's not. And so the Federal Trade Commission actually made them take the ads off the air and out of magazines. That's why you don't see them anymore because there was no scientific basis for the claims and it was false advertising. So this is the government literally funding millions of dollars to tell us stuff that wasn't scientifically true. So anyway, the bottom line here is that milk is not good for your bones and you don't need milk for strong bones. Everybody knows we need milk for stronger bones, right? That's what we're taught. Drink your milk, grow big and strong and tall. You need calcium. And without it, children won't grow to be big and strong. Adults will get hip fractures and most people would be getting osteoporosis and their bones will crumble to dust as they age. But there's absolutely no

Starting point is 00:08:18 evidence that we need milk to strengthen our bones. And for example, countries with the lowest milk consumption have the lowest rates of osteoporosis fractures. Well, those with the highest dairy consumption and calcium have the highest rates of fractures. How do you make sense of that? In fact, in one study, they found that those who drank more milk had higher risk of fractures. So that's a bit concerning to me. Also, it's good for kids, right? I mean, we now force kids to have milk.

Starting point is 00:08:46 If you want to have a school lunch program, you have to serve milk. And most of it's sugary milk, which is basically like a soda and milk together. And it's mandated by the government that in public schools, we have to have milk. But kids can't get their federal school lunch money unless they give... I'm sorry, the schools can't get their federal school lunch money unless they give, I'm sorry, the schools can't get their federal school lunch money unless they give every kid milk. But there's no evidence that it's true. In fact, they're also giving them low-fat milk, which is even worse because low-fat milk actually causes them to gain more weight because it makes them not feel satisfied or full from the fat. Also, milk is a lousy source of calcium.

Starting point is 00:09:30 The studies are pretty clear on this. There's nothing special about dairy and bone health. In fact, the vitamin D that you get with milk, that's added to the milk. It's not actually naturally in milk, believe it or not. They put it in there to prevent rickets, which is a good thing, but still, it's not where we get vitamin D. The amount of calcium everybody needs is actually far less than the levels recommended in the United States. It's not actually the total calcium intake that matters, but how much you actually keep.

Starting point is 00:09:55 For example, in Africa, they might have 300 milligrams of calcium intake in their diet, but they have very good bones and strong health, but they only lose maybe 200 milligrams of calcium. So their net is 100 milligrams of calcium a day. Whereas in America, we might take in 1500 milligrams, but we might lose 16 or 1700 milligrams because of all of our bad habits. For example, if you smoke cigarettes, if you eat sugar, if you drink soda, which has phosphoric acid, it's like leeches out your bones. Actually, oh my God. I was buying some ribs for a barbecue and having the other day at my local butcher. And I said, well, how do you kind of make them? What do you do? He says, well, first you want to soak the ribs in Coca-Cola. And I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, because it helps dissolve the fibers and soften up the meat and get it off the bone. And I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, because it helps dissolve the fibers and soften

Starting point is 00:10:45 up the meat and get it off the bone. And I'm like, wow, okay. I don't think I want to do that. Also stress causes you to lose calcium, caffeine, alcohol, excess salt, all cause us to lose calcium. We're doing a lot of things, plus being sedentary causes us to lose calcium. So we live a lifestyle that causes calcium loss. We got to stop that. So we need to also think about not just how much we're taking in, but how much we're losing. Next, we need to think about where can we get calcium from in our diet besides milk? And in fact, actually, you can get a lot of calcium from things that don't have hormones, that don't have allergens, that don't have all kinds of antibiotics in them, and all kinds of crap. So let's talk about, for example, how some common foods stack up to about four ounces

Starting point is 00:11:26 of cow's milk, which is about 138 milligrams of calcium. First of all, sesame seeds, a quarter cup of sesame seeds. Tahini is an amazing thing. You can make dressing out of it. I make like miso tahini dressing. I put on my vegetables. There's lots of ways to include tahini and sesame seeds. But a quarter cup has 351 milligrams, which is almost,

Starting point is 00:11:48 I'm not good with math, but more than twice the amount that milk has. Sardines, a little can of sardines has, with the bones, which sounds weird, but you can actually eat the bones, has 350 milligrams of calcium. Tofu, which is 300,000, has 350 milligrams of calcium. Yogurt, which is obviously dairy, but you can get it from sheep or goat, has 256 milligrams. Collard greens, which, by the way, these may be better utilized and absorbed by the body, has about 268 milligrams. Spinach has 245 milligrams in a cup. Cheese, which is another dairy product, has a little less, 204. Sakai salmon, three ounces with the bones in them, 188 milligrams.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Almonds, dry roasted, have two ounces, have about 150. So basically, from two ounces of almonds, you get more calcium than you will from milk. Also, chia seeds are another great source of calcium and have way more calcium than milk, than you can get from milk. And by the way, it turns out that it's vitamin D that's the most important for actually helping our bones, not so much calcium. Milk also may increase your risk of

Starting point is 00:12:51 cancer. Now, in a very important editorial in JAMA Pediatrics in 2013, two of the leading nutrition scientists in the world from Harvard, David Ludwig and Walter Woodward, called out the federal government for advising three cups daily of low-fat milk for most Americans. And these are not kind of radical vegans. These are people who work at the top levels of academia, who've done extraordinary amounts of research, and basically are saying, hey, we got it all wrong about dairy. As we talked about earlier, milk doesn't promote bone health. Dr. Willett and Dr. Ludwig noted that it actually may promote cancer. That's because milk contains a witch's brew of hormones that may act like miracle growth for cancer cells. For example, the average glass of milk contains 60 different hormones. Now, these are not necessarily hormones that are added

Starting point is 00:13:39 to the milk, but think about what is milk. It's basically a growth food. It's designed to grow babies and grow cows. And it's got all these growth factors and growth hormones in it, anabolic hormones. But it also doesn't just cause your body to grow when you're little, it actually causes cancer cells to grow. So it's kind of bad news. It also increases something called IGF-1, which is a known cancer promoter, insulin growth factor one. It's also associated with kidney disease, diabetes, heart disease, and lower levels of people with IGF-1 actually live longer and have lower rates of cancer.

Starting point is 00:14:16 But milk pushes your levels of IGF-1 in the wrong direction. So it may have cancer links, maybe increase to prostate cancer and other cancers as well. Also, dairy fat may not be the issue, right? The fat from dairy isn't the issue. It's the casein and the other hormonal compounds in the milk. The government guidelines basically say that we shouldn't really tell people to drink milk, but they specifically recommend low fat or fat-free versions because of a longstanding misguided view that saturated fat is the boogeyman for heart disease. Now, saturated fat actually may be really good for some people, although maybe not others, but for most people, it's actually okay, particularly people with metabolic issues, diabetes, and so forth. And there's been troves of research that showed that it's not the boogeyman

Starting point is 00:15:03 we thought it was. And actually, the dairy fat may be better. In fact, there was an article called Butter is Back in one of the major medical journals, I think American Journal of Cardiology, where they actually, and I'll get into that in a minute, show that it was actually quite helpful for people with diabetes and prevention and so forth. But there was a big review of saturated fat. And I wrote a lot about this in my book, Eat Fat, Get Thin. So if you want to learn more about it, you can go ahead and read that book.

Starting point is 00:15:27 But there was a huge landmark review published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, one of the major medical journals in 2014, that looked at 72 of the most rigorous studies on dietary fat and heart disease, including two dozen randomized controlled trials, which are hard to do, and also population studies, blood studies. and they found that saturated fat and total fat consumption have very little effect and no effect on heart disease. They found that actually trans fat was a bad one, but that was for sure bad, so we don't want trans fat. But they found that actually people having the fats from dairy actually had lower cardiovascular risk. Also, other studies have shown this as well for diabetes.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Those with higher levels of the saturated fat from dairy, which is a different kind of saturated fat, actually have lower risk of diabetes. So butter's had a terrible reputation because it's basically just animal fat. Most of it's saturated. Not all of it, by the way. Most foods are mixed fat. So monounsaturated, polyunsaturated, saturated. And the government tells us not to eat butter, right? But about 60% of the fats are saturated fat, 20% monounsaturated, and the rest are poly. But, you know, I think butter is not the enemy number one like we thought it was. It doesn't mean you should eat butter as much as you want. It's fine to eat it like our grandparents did, have a little butter, have grass-fed butter. It's fine. It has better fats. It has antioxidants. It has more carotenoids. It has a higher source of CLA, which is an important conjugated linoleic acid,

Starting point is 00:16:56 which boosts your metabolism and may help prevent cancer and heart disease. So have a little butter, enjoy it, track your numbers. But some people are super responders to saturated fat. I may be one of them. So the people who are thin, lean athletes tend to get more saturated fat response for some reason. I think it's genetic. You're going to have it on your veggies. Also be aware that saturated fat plus sugar and starch are bad combos. So butter on your veggies, put on your fish, protein, no problem. Mixing it with carbs and sugar, not a good idea. So butter and bread, bad idea. Also, if you're going to eat dairy, what should you eat?

Starting point is 00:17:34 And let's talk about it. Grass-fed is really important. And the reason is because, one, it doesn't have the antibiotics the hormones uh and it it it has higher levels of phytochemicals in it better saturated better fat fatty acid composition uh more antioxidants so you know it's only what you eat that matters it's what you're eating has eaten right so cows graze on the natural diet of grass they produce milk and meat with better fat composition and nutrients than those fed corn and grain and soy. So if you're going to consume butter or dairy products, remember that grass-fed is important or regenerative even better. Organic dairy is somewhere in the middle, right?

Starting point is 00:18:14 Because organic could be not grass-fed. They could just feed it organic corn or organic soy. And also they might have some pasture in their diet, but basically most of their diet comes from organic grains and feed that are better because they're free of pesticides or besides antibiotics and has more omega, better six to three ratio. But it's still not great because they can actually milk organic cows while they're pregnant, which adds way more hormones and all the natural hormones that are in milk. There's, you know, things you can actually use like probiotic rich dairy, kefir, yogurt, they're better, they're better actually in terms of tolerance and digestion. Also, you can use ghee or clarified butter, which basically takes all the milk solids, all the casein, all the whey, and it can be used by people who are even allergic to dairy. So organic grass-fed ghee is great. It's basically like the Indian form of

Starting point is 00:19:10 butter, and it has lots of nutrients, higher smoke point, and it's great for high-heat cooking. Now, I don't really recommend eating that much cow dairy. Now, there's an important thing to recognize. There's different kinds of casein in dairy products. There's A1 casein, A2 casein. Now, A1 casein is what most modern cows have. This is an inflammatory form of casein. That's the protein in milk. And that tends to be linked to more of the issues around milk. A2 casein is for more of the heirloom cows. I think Jersey cows, Guernsey cows have more A2 casein. And there are dairy products like ice creams and others you can get from A2 cows, but they're really hard to find. And that's better for you. But goat and sheep dairy products are far better tolerated, have less inflammatory potential, and have primarily A2 casein. So I'd encourage people

Starting point is 00:20:03 to switch over. And I, for example, I can't tolerate regular dairy because I get congested, stomach issues. If I have goat or sheep, I'm fine. Goat cheese, sheep cheese, goat yogurt, no problem. So cow's milk can be very inflammatory. It can cause eczema, allergies, gut issues, acne because of this A1 casein. But if you switch to goat and dairy, it's better and it's better tolerated. Also, the goat's milk has high levels of medium chain triglycerides, which help metabolism. Brain function has higher levels of vitamin A, which is great for your skin. And people who have more A2 casein tend to not have as much of the GI symptoms, have less inflammatory bar markers, they have better cognitive function. So goat or

Starting point is 00:20:45 sheep milk can be a great alternative. So what should you look for when you're buying dairy? Well, make sure you look for certain certifications that make sure the animals are produced in an ethical manner, right? Animal welfare approved, certified humane, American humane certified, Food Alliance certified, global animal partnership. These are ways to sort of, you know, find sources of dairy that are better for you. So what is possible to eat for dairy? Well, I recommend that people avoid for the most part cow dairy, unless it's A2 cows that are regeneratively raised. And even then some people still have trouble with cow dairy, but a little bit here and there is fine. If you want to have grass fed, full fat, unsweetened yogurt, that's okay. Ideally, sheep or goat is better. Kefir is another way to have a dairy product. You can get goat or sheep kefir. Whole milk, grass-fed cheese,

Starting point is 00:21:37 again, better goat or sheep with no additives. Grass-fed ghee or butter is fine. And if you can get them goat or sheep, I would highly recommend that. What should you avoid? Well, dairy from conventionally raised cows, skim milk, 2% milk, low-fat milk, low-fat yogurt, non-fat yogurt, yogurt that has fruit sweetener additives or anything extra. In fact, Yoplait, which is one of the sort of sweetened yogurts, that has more sugar per ounce than a can of Coca-Cola. So it's really bad for you. Don't have that thing you think is healthy, which is your sweetened yogurt in the morning. Avoid the cheeses and so forth made with skim or reduced fat milk.

Starting point is 00:22:16 The fat is actually the good part. Also, no processed cheese. I mean, it's not even called cheese. I mean, there's something called, you know, Kraft American slices. They can't call it cheese because it's less than 50% cheese. It's a cheese-like substance. And obviously don't eat cheese that comes in a spray can or a squeeze bottle or some weird industrial cheese product. So anyway, that's the star an dairy.

Starting point is 00:22:41 Definitely don't need it. If you want to consume it, try sheep or goat. Realize it's not nature's perfect food. It doesn't help your bones. It may cause cancer. And there's a lot of reasons to just avoid it. So again, sheep or goat is fine. Try it. See how you feel. Your body's the best indicator of what works and what doesn't. Your body's the smartest doctor in the room. So that's it for today's Health Byte. I hope you've enjoyed it. Please share your thoughts about dairy. We'd love to hear from you how it's worked for you, how Byte. I hope you've enjoyed it. Please share your thoughts about dairy. We'd love to hear from you how it's worked for you,

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The Dr. Hyman Show - Is It Okay To Eat Cheese And What Types Of Dairy Should You Avoid?

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