The Dr. John Delony Show - Dr. Josh Axe on Natural Nutrition

Episode Date: July 7, 2021

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Hey, what's up? I am wearing my NASA headset because we're launching rocket ships today. Not really. I take a protein powder and I just found out Dr. Josh Axe, the creator, lives here in Nashville. I had him on the show to talk nutrition and mental health and relationships. Stay tuned. Hey, what up, what up? This is John and welcome to the Dr. John Deloney show where we talk about your life, your friends, your parents, your relationships. We talk about you. So glad that you're here. Got a special, special interview episode today. So we've talked about this. I'm a nerd about what goes in my body unless I get off the rails with my gummy candies and breads and pastas and those things, chips and queso.

If it's not that stuff, I'm really particular about what I eat. And I've, the last, I don't know, 10, 15 years, I've become obsessive about trying to find the right protein powders and collagen and bone broth and blah, blah, blah. So I come to find out that the guy who makes the stuff that I take, the protein powders and the partridge in a pear tree, he lives here in town. His name is Dr. Joshua Axe, and he owns Ancient Nutrition. And he's kind of a controversial figure out there. And I wanted to meet him. And one of the ways I like to meet people is just, hey, you want to be on my show?

And so he came on the show. We have a great conversation about he's a guy who's a Christian guy. He leads his business with faith principles. He has got a little kid. He's a Christian guy. He leads his business with faith principles. He has got a little kid. He's married. Talks a lot about what he does, I don't agree with that. And I know that the YouTubes and the internets and the podcasts, all the comments are going to be awesome. Great. Bring them on. We're so excited that you get to sit in on a conversation between me and a new guy I just met who I really like. His name is Dr. Joshua Axe. Stay tuned. Hey, so it's good to talk to you, Dr. Axe. Thanks for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me, John. So listen, when I moved to Nashville about three years ago, I've been using your protein and collagen bone broth. I've been using these

products for a while. I've always been the weird French kid around all my buddies. And then when I got to Nashville and I came over here to Ramsey Solutions, I didn't realize that you lived in town. And so then I thought, man, let's get this guy on the show just because I use your stuff and I want other people to hear about it. And I think it's rad to connect with human beings behind the fancy products and all that, man.

Well, man, I've been in Nashville about 13 years now and I've been a huge fan of everything. Dave Ramsey's done for a long time, followed the organization, been so inspired by just, you know, the transformation that I know that your organization here has helped so many people with. So anyways, I mean, you know, I'm honored to be on the show. That's awesome, man. Okay. So the people who watch and listen to this will know, I like to talk about the stuff, but I like to talk about the people behind the stuff too. And so let's talk about this. Tell me about the, take a few minutes, tell me about the, you got multiple companies,

you got multiple products, like what, who are you and what are you doing in the world? Well, for me, you know, I, my journey really started with a health crisis in my family. So my mom growing up was diagnosed with cancer and my mom looked very healthy. And that's really what drove me to want to become a physician is I saw my mom live in that conventional medical system. She had chemotherapy. She had a mastectomy. And I remember thinking to myself as a kid, I never want to see anyone have to go through this sort of pain again. And so I started studying nutrition. In fact, at 14 years old, John, I said to myself, I don't know anything about nutrition, but I do know this one thing. I know that soda is bad. So

literally at 14 years old, I stopped drinking soda. And then, you know, I said, Hey, I want to keep learning about this stuff, start studying nutrition. And then went on to school was about to move to Nashville and open a functional medicine clinic. And I got a call from my mom and she said, I've just been diagnosed again with serious illness. And so we just transformed everything. I learned, I started applying everything I used to her. We started with number one, we started with prayer. And along with that, she started using essential oils. I started applying everything I used to her. Number one, we started with prayer. Along with that, she started using essential oils. We started using lots of vegetables, juicing vegetables, eating a lot of what we call superfoods,

taking herbs like turmeric. She recovered completely and naturally using what I use. I always say food is medicine. Then I opened up my functional medicine practice in Nashville, which I don't operate anymore, but I did for about five or five to six years. And in that clinic, I really wanted to help see families transform their health. And I really think it really starts with the family. So I focused on these families. And then, and then from there, that birth, drax.com, which was an educational platform to help educate people on how to use food as medicine and heal using natural remedies.

And then I co-founded a company with Jordan Rubin called Ancient Nutrition. That's the products I use, right? Exactly. And with that, our motto is save the world with superfoods. And there's two things there. We want to save people and save the planet. We truly believe that nutrition can help save and transform lives. And we also believe we are called to be good

stewards to the planet and help heal the planet. So we practice what's called regenerative agriculture, where we plant superfood trees. In fact, we are planting 10 million superfood trees in 10 years to help really heal the topsoil. Because one of the things that's happened through modern agriculture, we have totally depleted the soil. In fact, a biblical principle is rotate your crops. It's let the land rest every seven years. We're not doing that anymore. Burning it through and cranking more nitrogen into it and starting over, right? That's exactly right. Yeah. You know a lot there. So again, we're all about nutrient density of our foods and teaching people how to use food as medicine.

Okay. So I want to go back to something you touched on that I struggle with. Okay. I remember sitting at a campfire. This is years ago me and some buddies went camping and we were throwing cans into the fire they were burning down and i had brought a bag of twizzlers and i threw one into the fire and i knew the first thing this was wrong is it burned a different color than everything else we were burning it burned blue it was this weird else we were burning. It burned blue. It was this weird bright blue thing. Yeah. But I remember waking up the next morning, and you don't sleep good that first night of camping.

All that. It was cold. I walked by this fire. It was all ash. The cans were all ash. Everything was burned. That Twizzler was perfect. It was red.

And it was – I remember thinking, that should not go in a human body. And then, Josh, I kept eating them. How do you, at 14, you said, I know this is bad. I know I shouldn't put this in my body. And you stopped. What is it, the gap that people like me struggle with? I know this, but I just don't do that. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I think there's. It's not hard. I know. Yeah. I just don't do that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think there's... It's not hard. I know. Yeah. I think there's two things. I think, you know, it's our perceived amount of pleasure we're going to get from something, and then also the amount of pain we could avoid by avoiding whatever that bad thing is.

And so I think, you know, and here's how I think about it too. By the way, when I ran my clinic, I could tell immediately if somebody was going to see good results or not based on their perspective, because I'll give you an example. I would sit down with somebody and I'd look at their diet and it's like, we're eating processed cereal for breakfast and, you know, processed milk and all these things. And I would say something to them like, okay, let me make a few recommendations here before we get into our larger recommendations. Let's go ahead and just start by changing breakfast. And I would say, rather than consuming what you're consuming now, what I'd like you to consume is a superfood smoothie. It's really

basic. I'm going to have you do like almond milk or coconut milk. I'm going to have you do some berries. I'm going to have you do some collagen protein, something like that. And I got one or two responses. One response was, wow, that's amazing. Okay. Hey, I'm all for doing a berry smoothie, essentially like a strawberry slash milkshake that's natural for breakfast. But then I had another group of people that said, oh, I can't have my pancakes every morning or I can't have that. And they had this sort of like they were going to suffer mentality. So the whole the whole thing, taking something from them, that was, that's exactly right. And so I think if people just have the perspective of, I'm not being, somebody's not

restricting my life. They're not taking it away from me versus, wow, this is a great new thing I'm going to do. I'm excited about it. I'm choosing to embrace it. I think it really all comes down to that perspective in life is that, hey, and also thinking about this, what is your why, right? I know we both probably love Simon Sinek, and I love Simon's thing, start with why. And I think for us, we're all called to think about what is our why, and then after that, who's our who. So my why is saving families like my mom and educating them on how to use food as medicine and if i'm better fueled up and if i'm eating right and if i live longer it's going to

help me do that in that same way and then my family like i'm doing it for my family i'm doing it for god so i think when we think about our why and our who i also think that makes it easier we talk a lot on this show like my life goal is to be 93 and be able to roll around on the floor with my grandkids. I love it. And how do I reverse engineer that? And that impacts how I lift and move and eat and have a relationship today. All of that works towards that one goal, which I love. Okay, so we talk about mental health relationships on this a lot. I've got a couple of, I don't know what you call them,

programs that take research articles from all over the country and distill them down and send them to my email box once a week. The amount of stuff coming out is overwhelming. And now it's gotten to where there's only a few, and I say stuff, I'm talking to a fellow scientist. So the research on nutrition, on mental health, and this study, and that study, and this study. How do you stay on top of it? Because now I've gotten to where I can't even stay on top of the people who stay on top of it, right?

They're coming out with new stuff all the time. How do you wrap your head around, or maybe it's not, maybe it's pretty simple, and there's a lot of drama and a lot of noise but the signals are staying the same that um i try to keep up with the stuff so i stay so i know what's happening um how do you do that yeah so here's what i do and this is what i love so much about what you do and dave and friends of ours like ken coleman is it's all about principles there are principles that stay the same from the beginning of time till the end of time. And when you are anchored to those core principles, you don't have to read every single study out there. You can read some, and I keep up on things,

but that's not my anchor. The new research that comes out today is not my anchor. These principles that are talked about in places like the Bible, those are my core principles that I live by. And so I'll give you an example. There were studies that came out many years ago, and still not recently, to where there were companies that were pharmaceutical-based that owned infant formula companies, to where they started coming out with this research saying breast milk is not ideal for kids because it it's high i'm not kidding no i know they i know they are yeah and so they started coming out with these studies saying yeah breast milk is not what's ideal for kids they're better off with formula breast milk is not as high in these certain vitamins and we put these in there but like we know that god created breast milk to be the perfect food for

an infant and so i'm just saying that to say this is that we've got to understand a lot of these big agricultural companies, pharmaceutical companies, a lot of these big, even financial institutions, whatever it is, a lot of times there's agendas tied to them. We're talking about trillion dollar industries here. So I think it's important to consider that. But for me, I was on a health panel with another very prominent medical doctor. And they asked a question, exactly almost what you asked. They said, hey, with all the new research coming out, how do I decide what to eat? And his answer was, you decide based on apples, eat apples. If tomorrow it says apples are bad, then stop eating apples. And I was literally, my mind was blown because I thought this is the way literally a lot of people think about this. And for me, it's like, listen, bone broth has been consumed from the beginning of time. We have this story in the Bible where Jacob and Esau are making soup.

And we know that we've made bone broth for a long time. People have consumed it. They consume it in Asia today, in South America, across the world. It's been a meal to help boost and support immune health. So all that being said, number one is I anchor and understand these core principles. And then I use this latest studies behind to help educate and reinforce exactly what uh how things work today so i've i've noticed i love that you said that i've noticed an arc for the last 20 years and about 10 years ago i was at a uh at with a buddy and we're having dinner and he was in the nutrition space and he said hey you know what's really freaking everybody out on the front edge of all this stuff he said what he said that the data starting to come back pretty clear if you eat whole foods and you have good relationships and

you believe in something bigger than yourself probably gonna be okay most of the time right outside of an acute injury or some you know weird thing and um. The arc of a lot of this cutting-edge banana research, we're spending jillions of dollars on fMRI. All these studies are leading us back to slow down, take care of your relationships, eat whole foods, take care of yourself. There's an old

Sam Taleb quote that if it's not in nature, if you see something in nature and you think you've just figured out a new thing, you're probably wrong. Yeah. Right? And I love that. That sentiment, nature's had a long time to work on. Well, and I want to give an example how wise some of these different sort of ancient physicians were.

There was a study that came out about 10 years ago on turmeric. And if you consume the – there's a compound in turmeric called curcumin, which has all these anti-inflammatory disease fighting benefits. And they found that when you consume it with black pepper or pipering the compound in it, it increased the absorption by 154%. So the medical community like sort of applauded themselves saying, we had this medical breakthrough. We found that when this happens, here's the thing, there's a recipe in Ayurveda. And this was also used in ancient Asian medicine and in Middle Eastern medicine around the time's the thing. There's a recipe in Ayurveda, and this was also used in ancient Asian medicine and in Middle Eastern medicine around the time of the Bible. But there was an ancient recipe, and it was a blend of turmeric along with black pepper, ginger, and another

warming spice, and then ghee or coconut milk. It was called turmeric golden milk or turmeric golden tea. That recipe has been around for 3,000 years where they knew that back then. It's like – We're geniuses, man. Exactly. It was at Hippocrates in a jail cell talking about how health begins in your gut, right? That's right. And it took us – now we're so excited about it.

We discovered the gut biome. That's right. It's pretty exciting, right? It's awesome stuff. All right, so I know the next question for some of our internet warriors will be these specialized diets. The last 100 years, especially the last 25 years, have turned into these almost religious cult-like followings. What happened? How did we get here?

They are wars, man. Yes, so here's essentially what's happened. And you'll get this, John. It's we have, number one, here's the first thing to realize. Everyone is very unique individual. I mean, God has made everybody unique in their gifts and their skills, even the way their body works and functions. And ancient like Asian medicine, for instance, they put people in five types. So it's kind of like the Enneagram or Disc Profile or Myers-Briggs.

They actually would say, okay, you have certain emotions and your body is built a certain way. There are certain foods that are better for creating balance in your body. In ancient times, they never treated a labeled disease. They said, you've got this imbalance where your body is too hot or too cold internally. It's too damp or too dry. We've got to balance these things. For instance, why do we call it a cold today? Because with a cold, it comes from ancient asian medicine it's your body is cold internally so you people tend to take warming spices to warm

their body that's why it's always like oregano ginger cayenne these kind you know like these warming herbs and this little hot toddies our grandparents used to make that was so funny so here's the thing whiskey and again we're not here promoting everybody drink whiskey but it's the hottest of all liqueurs it's the most. Whiskey, and again, we're not here promoting everybody drink whiskey, but it's the hottest of all liqueurs. It's the most warming, if anybody's ever had that, warm your insides. It's actually, so it's much better than something like a beer, which is cooling. All that being said, so it's all about bringing balance to the body, to the unique individual.

So for some people, keto diet is great for probably about 20, 25% of the population for a period of time, like maybe 30 days. But for a lot of people, it's a terrible diet. And what happens is somebody will say, oh, I followed keto or I followed paleo or I was a vegan and it radically changed my health. And it's great for that person. But I'd ask everybody listening here, have you ever had a friend follow a diet and it was like a miracle for them?

And then you tried the same thing and it didn't work for you? Exactly. And that's because you're a unique individual. And I'll give you an example. If somebody has inflammatory bowel disease, they should have zero raw vegetables. It should all be cooked vegetables, bone broth, like that sort of thing. But if somebody has liver disease or cancer, they do good with a lot of raw foods and vegetable juices. So, I mean, really, what Anne Wigmore said, one man's food is another man's poison and vice versa. So it's important to understand you are a unique individual.

You really need to find what works for you. So unfortunately, they're not. But yes, there have become these cult-like followings of certain diets. And to their, you know, it has has worked for them but it definitely doesn't work for everybody and we've talked about this on this show is if we step back 100 200 years we've had this cultural obsession with shoving everything into a bell curve that's right what's the thing that works for everybody and because we can sell it to everybody yep and so we stamped this imaginary um food pyramid this is how we should all do it it doesn't work right and it's it can feel untethering to think oh gosh

and what is the thing and that's where you get walk alongside a good practitioner and you learn to listen to your body and this works and this doesn't and and then now me and my wife she's she's one that can handle high, high carbohydrate intake. I'm so jealous, man. And I'm somebody who can handle very little. And we both meet in the middle. We figured out how to have great family meals. And she doesn't get her feelings hurt.

I don't get my feelings hurt. Our kids are. So it's in the middle there. How do you, you've been in this space a long time. How do you deal with people come after you? There's a lot of criticism. And it's not criticism like, hey, we disagree with you. The criticism is you're hurting people.

Like you're crazy. What are you doing? Right? How do you deal with that, man? Yeah. So, you know, for me, and what's funny is I don't read a lot of those comments. Now, I want to be aware. I want to be responsible.

But for me, I just, I anchor into these core principles. And a lot of them start in the Bible, these health and biblical principles. And then they really go off as well to these ancient things that I think have been proven for, again, as I mentioned, thousands of years now. And then in running a practice myself. So for me, I guess I combat it with this. I'll give you an example. If somebody would say, Dr. Racks, when you speak out or tell people that their first line of defense should be nutrition and mindset and relationships and all of those sort of these lifestyle factors, and people should focus on those even before they would go and pop a pill, hey, that's hurting people. We really believe that today's medical system is the way that things should be done. I've heard that plenty.

I don't think anybody says that anymore, but I know I got you. I literally had somebody the other day, stop me and say, you're hurting people with all your false information out there. Just a random person on the street. Awesome. But then I'm at whole foods and I have all my old patients coming up to me and stopping and saying, Oh, Dr. Rack's like, Hey, I actually had a woman come up pretty recently. And she, she had lost 80 pounds. Her husband had lost 120 pounds and he was a former NFL offensive lineman. So, I mean, he just, you know, he, he, he lost way to transform himself. So I have so many thousands of people that have shared with me their,

their health transformation, reversing diabetes, overcoming hypothyroidism, fertility, you know, so many women who now have kids following some of this information. health transformation, reversing diabetes, overcoming hypothyroidism, fertility. So many women now have kids following some of this information. So for me, I really just fill up on those things. And you're going to have haters. You're going to have doubters. But at this point, I don't know. I've got pretty thick skin. I think if you just focus on those things and focus on your mission and vision, that really helps too. Because for me, saving people, saving the world of superfood, knowing I want to help heal the planet. I want to help people. And knowing all these positive results we've seen, it kind of is like, I don't know,

it's more like I have a gnat around me now. It doesn't really... Didn't get you? Yeah. So I'm going to speak my life into yours. And you may say that I don't have that at all. I'm similar there. And for a season, man, I wouldn't sleep at night. Like someone would write something mean, especially when I was working with college students or with police officers.

I was doing stuff after hours to say, hey, it was terribly. And man, that would wipe me out. Now I've got people that I can call if I get stuck. And I'm more like you. My skin's gotten a lot thicker. My wife's hasn't. And so when someone's ugly with me, she's ready to go to war. Oh, man.

And so you're married. How do you manage that, like, the most important relationship to you? And I don't know if she has a tendency to go to war on your behalf, but how do you manage that criticism, being countercultural, saying, hey, I'm cool, but also, man, you love this person who really loves you. You may say she doesn't do that at all. No, she does. That's why I'm laughing.

So my wife is – and let me say this to you. My wife is also a physician. So she went to chiropractic college. She got training in functional nutrition and in exercise, and she's a yoga instructor. So she has a lot of credentials herself. And she's just an amazing, strong Christian principled woman. And so for that, she's there. But she is my biggest offender. And if you want to get her fired up, it's, you know, come after me or our family. And so there are occasions where I'm like,

babe, we're good. Hey, just hey just you know um but but yeah i mean she's definitely my biggest offender and that's i mean what a blessing you know to be in a marriage to where your wife and i know you feel the same way it's like man when you have a spouse who is for you yeah you know like that it's uh but but it absolutely bothers her more than it bothers me absolutely and i think it'd be the same thing if somebody if somebody says something negative about chelsea my wife oh dude it's on i'm definitely again it's 10x how i feel about it somebody says about me it's okay so flip that around another thing that i just want to mention too i feel i was joking around this i went to two of our best friends they have a daughter we have a one-year-old they have a one and a half year old and we're joking around the

other day so like our daughter now she's waving to people and like if somebody doesn't wave back actually i get i'm like god like you know anyways it's a whole nother level when you have a kid or i've got a an 11 year old and a five year old and yeah if they somebody rolls their eyes at them at a restaurant it's like dude we can go out in the parking lot. It's for no reason, right? And my kids being annoying too, by the way. But yeah, I'm the same way. So let's flip that around a little bit. I think one of the challenges I've experienced

is we have a bunch of credentialed people speaking into the world with a lot of different platforms and a lot of different motivations. One is i really i saw my mom suffer and i don't want anyone to do that i'm gonna go down a rabbit hole to figure out what happened and then oh my gosh i've got my own patients i want to help heal the planet and this stuff's all interconnected whatever that looks like yep and you got other folks who just

want to sell a book or just want to make some money etc one of the biggest challenges i'm looking and seeing is people's inability to say hey i really really believed in that i was wrong and one of the cool things so i was an academic nerd before i came here and i saw um i saw it happen with covet in a pretty unique way i knew from my researcher friends that when somebody lays down a, hey, we think 11 million people are going to die. And for scientists, their job is to be less wrong. And so they immediately go, cool, we're on. And so then a few weeks later, another group, another college group says, hey, only 6 million are going to die. And they're like, hey, we got a new model. We'll put it on this. And the whole art of science is being less wrong then the two groups that can't say that word are politicians and media people

and if a scientist has rolled himself up into a media world then they get locked into i can't say i was wrong on something one of the first people to tell me i'm wrong is often my wife is a is a phd researcher too is her to say john you are way off on this. What are you talking about? Have you had something that you were dead set on and suddenly you've been like, oh, I wasn't right on that. I've even had to come on this show. I've called somebody back and said, I gave you wrong advice, man. I should have told you something else. So I'll share a couple of things. Early on in my career, I really felt like the more plants, the better in terms of raw. And I was sharing that earlier.

And I had to learn through clinical experiences that a raw, like for instance, a salad. Most people think a salad is good for everybody. So even in my clinic first year, I taught some raw food classes and all these things. And then I started working with people with Crohn's and ulcerative colitis and IBS and started noticing, wow, this is not working for these people, diverticulitis, some others. And, and I had to go learn, you know, and so, and so I was, that's just an example of my nutritional philosophy being wrong. And that really led me to really continue to study more of, of what I study now. And then there, there's been, you know, I almost always listen to Chelsea, but I mean,

anytime I don't listen to my wife, it is wrong. I mean, I can tell you it's like 10 out of 10. It's 100 out of 100 for me. There you go. Yeah. Who else do you have in your life? In my research with high-performing

folks and folks whose job is to take care of their people, the number one across the board when they get themselves in trouble, whether it's psychologically, spiritually, mentally, whatever, it's because they've stopped listening to a close group of people, mentors, friends. Who do you go to? You got a group of people that you trust that you can just lay it all out there for? I do. And by the way, John, for me, like if someone were to ask me, and if you would go listen to the last, you know, 20 business interviews I've done, I have said this exact same thing to all of them. My biggest life lesson is you become

who you surround yourself with. And so I am so conscious of community. In fact, when I, before I married Chelsea, I knew how important a spouse was. And so I prayed to God. I said, God, would you send me a wife who is mentally stimulating, physically breathtaking,

and spiritually just on fire for you? So like was so conscious of knowing the person I'm going to spend the most time with. I wanted to be a woman who wanted to be a world changer and just a great mom and a great wife. And God brought that person along for me. So that's one. Number one is Chelsea. Number two is my business partner, one of my best friends, Jordan Rubin. So Jordan Rubin, he founded a company many years ago called Garden of Life, sold that, and now we co-founded Ancient Nutrition. He wrote a book called The Maker's Diet. Jordan is about six years older than me. Even when I was authoring my first book, Nancy Alcorn, who we know who runs Mercy Multiply to Ministry here, I met him through that ministry. He gave me some really great life advice on publishing a book and growing a business and

all those different things. Those are two of the biggest ones. I've got a mastermind or a men's leadership groom I'm a part of. I've got guys like Colt Morton, Dan Sullivan, Andrew East, Dave Tuhel, and some others that I'm just very deeply connected to. But I would say from a mentorship standpoint, Jordan, at this point, he's one of my best friends, but I still, again, there's been a lot of mentorship he's given me over the years. Awesome. And I have some other pastors as well.

You have John Bevere, who is a friend, and quite a few other pastors that we look to. We actually, for our business, we have our board of directors that's out of California. But then we also have what we call our, it's called our kingdom council. We have a spiritual board where we have nine pastors sit on our board. We do quarterly meetings with them.

They speak both into our life and business. So anyways, I'm glad you asked because it is a huge, huge part of my life and making sure that I have other people hold me accountable. That's awesome. Do you ever have challenges mixing spirituality and business? Yes. First off, we are super blessed.

We have a board of directors that is incredible. And their values are aligned. Some might be a little bit different than ours. So I think in the areas, those few areas where they're not completely, you know, we might feel a little different. I think that's a challenge. And the spiritual board we have is very much like, listen, just do what's right in the eyes of God completely. And the other board is a little bit more, let's toe the line and just be safe. And so I think that, you know, for the most part, um, you know, we,

there have been challenges, but I think for us, we, we have, um, navigated them with the best, you know, you know,

wisdom we could. And so I don't know, I don't know if I have a great answer there. I'll just, I'll just say, but yeah, there, there are,

yeah. I mean, there are challenges as a business because myself and Jordan both have very, very strong faith-based values. And there are marketing campaigns. People want you to do certain times and months of the year and other things. And we decide that, hey, you know what? The marketing campaign, the sort of injustice, those sort of things we're going to fight, we're going to do things our way, the way we feel biblically. I'll give you an example of this and hope this is okay to talk about. Earlier in the year, there was a Black

Lives Matter. I think a lot of people wanted us to go in. We were getting messages pounding us daily, go and support this organization. We said, you know what? Number one, give us a day to pray and talk it through with Jordan and I and our company president. And we said, you know what? We want to be about fighting social injustice. We want to be about doing good in the world and transforming lives. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to go and we're going to start a scholarship and fund children in the African-American community, getting a better education, do these initiatives. We're going to change the way we hire. So we made all of these changes. We got criticism maybe because we didn't have a certain post on Instagram, but we said,

we want to be the sort of people that are fighting. So I'm just giving an example of, we are very conscious of, we want to be a light to the world. We want to have an impact, but we want to do it in the way that Jesus would have done it. It's transformative. Exactly. Not the way that, because here's what most people do today. They're like, we just want to look good. We're not going to actually do anything, but we want to look good. And that's what you see when you see all of these celebrities and these people

out there talking about certain things, they're doing almost nothing. Gotcha. And so I just, you know, we want to be the change. And let that change be represented. Like your company will look different, right? And your neighborhoods will look different. And the people you come in contact with will look different, right? Right. That's fantastic, man.

So when it comes to food, movement, healthy living, I'm going to ask you a trick question a trick question first and then we'll get to the real what is something that would surprise people that you are militant about with your new child and what would surprise somebody that you're a lot more lax with your kid sure a couple things one um you know we uh so i used to be under the impression this is another example where i'm wrong where i've been wrong that everything i eat should be perfect like i and before i met chelsea she would tell you she softened me up a little bit you know trips to italy and that sort of thing helped too where it's like ham and tuscan it's like i can't not have pizza and gelato right now but so that being said like we actually give her foods foods that we know she's going to be exposed to.

We give her, as she's growing, we give her a little bit of gluten. We give her some dairy. We give her certain products that if she was doing a large amount, she may have a reaction or intolerance to. But that we know like our bodies are created. We actually should strengthen our bodies through getting these micro exposures. Stress response. Yeah, exactly. And so we actually really do that with Arwen to where we're giving her certain things in small doses

to naturally help support and strengthen her immune system. So that's one thing we absolutely do. So that's you at a restaurant and there's a – I don't know. I'm just making something up but uh it's when people come by and see my daughter eating a piece of like a cheese pizza it's a and nobody's gonna die yeah i think yeah and here's the other thing i found when you go to a place like italy and some of the areas of the world that have the longest lifespan even japan that they're not eating perfect. The biggest thing is actually low stress and healthy relationships.

I was going to say, they're not psychotic about it. Yeah. Now, they move, but they're not lifting weights. They're riding bicycles. They're walking. They're swimming. Gardening. They're gardening.

They're doing those things. And they're eating very clean, but then once or twice a week, they're having a vacation meal. They're having a couple glasses of wine. They're having a little glasses of wine. They're having, you know, a little too much, you know, sugar on occasion, but it's not every day. It's just sort of sprinkled in. It's not, you know, you know, it's, it's not the dominant part of the way they eat. Gotcha. So probably the most annoying question, any nutrition, any person who goes down the rabbit

hole of nutrition is, cause we talked about this earlier is okay then what give me the five things i need to be eating sure in every guy i've ever met or a man or woman who's a researcher who said we'll say well it depends right that's the comment but what is what is a couple of things that if you're watching this listening to this if i just did this and stopped that, that's relatively universal. What would you recommend to somebody off the top? Yeah, I mean, it's two things. Eat a lot more vegetables, a lot less sugar and carbohydrates.

I mean, and I know that's what everyone's going to hear, but let me- No, it's awesome though. But that's hands down, everybody almost, I'm actually thinking of one guy who doesn't, but I almost think about everybody who pretty much agrees with this. The one person I was going to bring up, there's actually someone I had on my podcast recently

who promotes a nose-to-tail diet, which essentially is eating almost all meat. Is that Cedano? Yeah, exactly. It's Cedano. Yeah, yeah, Cedano. There you go. So he actually just emailed me this morning about something. But that being said, but listen, I look at his body type and based on what I know

about some things like Chinese medicine, I know when I look at him, I'm like, yeah, your body type is going to do very well with that diet. That's an example. I look at him, I hear him, and in Chinese medicine, it's known as the fire element, which essentially means somebody would do well on like a keto diet, that sort of body type in person. They do well with spicy foods. So yeah, he'll do well with that diet. So here's a few other things. I think generally speaking, from a diet standpoint, my number one recommendation is this, just change breakfast. Even if you don't change lunch and dinner, if you just change breakfast, that's one third of your diet. That's actually a pretty big change. Do something like a superfood smoothie. It's very easy. Three ingredients, coconut or almond milk, a cup of fruit like berries,

and vanilla collagen or vanilla bone broth powder, something like that for breakfast. If you do that, that's a huge change. Then just try and focus on getting a vegetable with lunch and dinner. I think if you do that, that's going to go a long, long way. I wrote a book pretty recently too. It's called Ancient Remedies. And I go through where people can find out their ideal sort of diet type. So there's five main diet types throughout history that have been most effective for people. So people can take a quiz and learn, hey, I need a diet that's more for my immune system or one more for my hormones or one for detoxification system or for brain and sort of go through that in that book.

And it's that sort of form of personalized diet. But I would say that that's, I would say, yeah, changing your breakfast, trying to load up and get a lot more vegetables is probably the thing that's going to go the furthest. So you sparked one more question I got to ask. Yeah, let's go. How do you, this is a global issue right now let's take paul for instance he's for those of you don't know he's very outspoken on the carnivore diet strong personality has an awesome book he wants to sell but also is a physician also lives it right i

think most of his podcasts are done with no shirt on right you've got friends you and i both have friends all over the spectrum i got friends who are psychiatrists who i will go have dinner and i'll just say you are destroying earth and they'll say you're an idiot right how do you stay in relationship with folks who have same credentials all both see also see patients and see the world a little bit differently how do you how do you stay in relationship with folks like that how do you stay in community with people like that? How do you stay in community with people like that? Yeah. So for me, it's this way. One, I know what I'm called to do. I think this helps a lot. I think when you know you're responsible for this, but not for this, then that helps. So for me, I know I'm responsible for three big things. Loving God, which essentially means for, I just want to clarify for me, that means having an intimate relationship

with him I know he hears me I know how how uh just what a good dad he is and and also loving somebody I know his dreams I know his desires I know what he wants me to do I'm being obedient I'm having this I'm being trustworthy with him so I'm building a deep interrelation with him so I'm loving God loving people and I'm trying to make earth a heavenly place. Those are the three things I believe I've called to do. And so with that, loving people means it's not me forcing them to do anything. It's not me trying to push my political opinion on them or my diet health opinion or anything else. It's seeing them where they're at and trying to... There's a great book by Tim Keller I love. It's The Meaning of marriage. And our job as spouses is to make each other holy. And you don't do that by forcing it.

You do that by living a life yourself. You do that by encouraging people. You do that by finding the greatness in them and supporting and calling out and saying, doing a combination of, I call it, this is, I believe what leadership is. It's nourishing somebody, loving somebody, and then challenging them, holding them to it, and showing them what they're capable of and the ultimate thing that God's called them to do. In that order, right? Exactly.

Which I love, yeah. And so what I try and do, if I'm in that sort of relationship, it's, hey, Paul, man, I love that you're doing this. I love you're doing this. By the way, I saw this interview. Man, you are so well. I'm encouraging them. And this isn't inauthentic. And so I'm calling out what you are doing this. By the way, I saw this interview. Man, you are so well. I'm encouraging them. And this isn't inauthentic. And so I'm calling out what you are great at. And then also,

but you know what? I really think you should consider looking into this because I think this is a little off. I had this personal experience where I saw this, but hey, just want to let you know still, hey, I love you. I just, I love what you're up to. So you know what I'm saying? It's just sort of like, and it's also a love sandwich there too but that's so so i think too and because we're in a difficult world today with the heated political tension where it's really easy for me to see somebody and think it's easy for me to become resentful really easy for i think most people to today especially when we're talking politics and these different things but i think i I've got to realize they're not called and I'm not called to make people believe

like I believe. I'm called to just nourish and challenge them. Serve other people. I have come to love having a collection of friends who are also experts who I disagree with.

I've come to just love that because if I just surround myself with the same books that I've read the same five times and the same perspectives, I know one thing. I know I'm just going to sit where I'm at, right? And there'll be no growth. There'll be no movement.

There'll be no anything. And I end up just sitting still, right? becomes i've just become a boring lazy person and so i i've come to love that and what i'm trying to do is to get outside my head and say is there a secret sauce to that am i just built weird because i love disagreeing with people in in lovely fun ways over meals i'd never i just don't understand fighting but but I do love healthy discussion. It just makes my life more rich. But I love to hear that from you, too. Well, I love this because there's a book and a person who actually mentioned me years ago.

His name was Skip Moen, and he has his PhD in Hebrew, and not just Hebrew, it's the Hebrew of Genesis. And so he wrote a book, and it's really good. It really goes through the Hebrew perspective of Christianity and worldview. It's a book and it's really good it really goes through the hebrew perspective of christianity in the war in a worldview it's a book about worldview and he really looks and he said listen the western worldview is all about black and white we're going to debate and essentially you're my enemy here in western worldview what was brought up by the greeks and especially the romans and sort of this thing where it's like you're right or wrong everything is black and white in that way versus the eastern viewpoint and really more of Jesus' viewpoint, or what practice even in the East today is, hey, listen, we're going to have a conversation today. We don't have to completely

agree with each other. We're called to love and support each other, but we can have a disagreement and argue. And that's normal. In fact, when you read in the New Testament, read all about rabbis, rabbis were constantly... That's the part of the joy, right? That's right. And it was over meals, as you're in the New Testament, read all about rabbis, rabbis were constantly— That's the part of the joy, right? That's right. And it was over meals, as you're saying. And so I think remembering that it's not about being—today, it's all about, are you right or are you wrong? Who wins and losses, right?

Yeah. And today, it's like—we've all heard this quote. You've probably said it on your show. Nobody wins an argument. And so I think keeping that in mind that it's not about winning or losing. It's about, uh, you know, loving God, loving people, making earth a heavenly place. What, what can you do to help do that? And that's what, and even in business right now, like we're so conscious of that healing the planet, helping heal people. Um, you know,

I think, uh, again, those are the things I think that I just constantly try and keep top of mind. Love it, dude. All right, real quick. What do you got going on that we can direct people to? So, yeah, I got a new book out. It's called Ancient Remedies. And it already has over 1,000 reviews. People can find that on Amazon.com if they just search Ancient Remedies, Dr. Axe. My company, Ancient Nutrition. We create collagen and probiotics, all these products.

People can find them in health food stores or online. You can just search Ancient Nutrition, Dr. Axe, all of our products. People can find them in health food stores or online. You can just search ancient nutrition. Dr. Axe, all of our products. Those are probably the biggest things. I'll tell people, I took today the vanilla bone broth, powdered vanilla bone broth. I put

it in my coffee and just let it dissolve in there. It was awesome. I also took your C and the zinc probiotics. Nice work. I love the man you're got a strong immune system look at that i hope so i got young kids and i live out in the woods i think we eat enough dirt in my house that yeah we're good um so we end up every show with the greatest song of all time and i speak mostly in hyperbole and so i've got about 10,000

favorite songs and movies. And so I ask every guest who's on the show, if you had to just distill it down into the one song that makes you cry when you're driving or that you sing along with and start chanting out loud, whether it's the old Bon Jovi song or something, whatever. What's the song? What's the one that moves your soul? Wow. Well, I feel like for me, music is always sort of changing.

So I have a song I love right now. It's called Joyful by Dante Bo. It's a great song. Most people probably haven't heard of it, but they should check it out. Joyful, Dante Bo. I think you'll like it. Joyful by Dante Bo? Spell out his name.

B-O-W-E. Well, dude, thanks for being with me, man. Hey, John, thanks so much for having me. Thanks so much. Hey, dude, thanks for being with me, man. Hey, John, thanks so much for having me. Thanks so much. Hey, we'll be right back. Hey, I hope you liked the interview with Dr. Josh Axe. If you're interested in any of his products, getting his books, we've linked to them in the show notes.

And if you just fast-forwarded through the whole interview, here it is in a nutshell. Eat less carbs, put the donut down, drink more whiskey. This has been the Dr. John Deloney Show.