The Dr. John Delony Show - I Just Discovered My Husband’s Affair

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

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This is an ad for BetterHelp. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and we're all surrounded by non-stop noise, and it keeps our bodies on high alert, but you don't have to carry it all alone. Go to betterhelp.com slash Deloney for 10% off. I had had this gut feeling for a while, and so I'm not proud of it,

but I put a recording, an audio recording device in our car, and he goes to Mexico on the weekend. I just heard all of the phone calls and the dates and everything. What up, what up? This is John with the Dr. John Deloney's show comedy from Nashville, Tennessee, taking your calls on your mental and emotional health, on your marriages, your kids, your relationships, you're dating, whatever you got going on in your world, pull up a seat,

and we'll figure out what's the next right move. You want to be on this show? I'd love to have you on. Click the link in the show notes, and it will send you to Kelly, and she is the overlord who decides with her scepter who gets in and who gets out. She controls the drawbridge. It's got to Phoenix, Arizona, and talk to Evangeline. Hey, what's up, Eve?

How are we doing? Hi, I'm okay. How are you? Doing all right. Good. Things going okay? Well, I found out on Monday that my husband has been cheating on me. Oh, so no.

Yeah. Not good. One week after a one-year anniversary. Oh, man. Yeah. How'd you find out? I had had this gut feeling for a while, and I checked his phone and everything had been locked, which was not the previous situation.

And so I'm not proud of it, but I put a recording, an audio recording, device in our car and he goes to Mexico on the weekends and yeah I just heard all of the phone calls and the dates and everything oh sorry I hate this for you yeah thank you how can I help So I am loyal to a fault. And when I confronted him with everything, at first, he tried to, you know, downplay it and say, oh, we're just friends. But I heard very specific, like, I love yous and pet names. And that's what hurt the most is that he was telling somebody else that he loved them. And he finally was just like, you're right.

I messed up. He says, you know, like, I want to change and I want to make this better and I want it to work out. Can you ever forgive me? And it's just, I'm a logical person and I just don't know if change is possible and how to, like, believe that and move forward. Do you feel like you have the whole truth? No. Okay. And I don't think I'll ever get it.

Okay. then you can't rebuild anything because it's got to be rebuilt on a foundation of safety and trust. And if you don't have that. Yeah. You know? Right. And I have a 16-year-old daughter. I don't want her to think that this is, you know, a normal way to handle this kind of situation.

Well, there's not a normal way. Right. There's the next right way, right? Right. And so I think that I don't want your 16-year-old to think. think getting treated like this is normal. Mm-hmm. All right, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

I don't want her to think this is good. I don't want her to look up and see, like, I don't want her a model for this is what relationships are supposed to feel like inside of a home. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't want my mom having to worry if she's contracting an STI every other weekend. Right. I don't want her to absorb seeing her stepdad flip over his phone every time somebody walks in the room.

Yeah. Or his mom planting secret recording devices in the car. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't want her growing up in that. Yes. I don't want that for you. Yeah. Right.

And that's the thing. Like, I feel so embarrassed that that's what it came down to, but I knew I wouldn't get the truth. No, don't be, I mean, don't be embarrassed about it. You did what you thought you had to do. do and you got the information you needed. And so you didn't hire a private investigator. You became one. It is what it is.

So I... I just feel really stuck in the way that, like, he apologizes. And he makes it sound like so real, but I just can't, I can't trust it. I feel like after a year, if this is where we're already at... Did it happen before you got married? I think he's probably done it before. Before we got, I just didn't know. What makes you think that?

Because I don't think you tell somebody that you love them, you know, just after a couple of dates or a couple of months. Yeah. People say crazy things. You might not. Some people, other people might, right? Right. But he and I didn't say that to each other a couple weeks after, you know. It took time, we built a relationship.

How long have you all been together? Three years. Okay. And you have a 16-year-old daughter. Have you had your heartbroken before? Oh, yeah. I was married for almost 20 years to her father. Okay.

He was an alcoholic. Okay. And that was a painful divorce. I have a 21-year-old son as well. Okay. So how much of this is, oh, bloody hell, here we go again? None of it because I really In my heart of hearts

I really love him No that's not what I'm saying I'm saying How much of you wanting to hang on to this thing Or even entertain it Here's what you're telling me You're telling me I'm pretty sure this has happened While we're dating

I've got it confirmed That just one year into the marriage He's already leaving and having secret Like Not only physical affairs, but his heart is with somebody else. And I'm not getting the full truth. I'll never get the full truth.

So on that one side you're telling me, this marriage is over. We might can build another one, but this thing doesn't exist. And in fact, if I look with clarity to the past, it's never existed. And so, but there's another side of you that has been through the hell that is dividing up a family. and moving and deposits and splitting like court call like you've been down that road too and that that's what I'm asking how much of that experience of like oh god we have to do that again is clouding this situation probably like 50% because I'm terrified okay and so I want you to be honest about if I choose to stay and I choose just to

take his word for it, you're never going to have peace ever. Right. You know that. Right. I know that. Yeah, I know that. And if you choose to stay because of how hard and complicated and heartbreaking it would be to leave, I want you to just own that. Mm-hmm.

I'm going to choose the hell I know because of the hell that I don't know. Mm-hmm. And if somebody's... I don't want to be, you know, I'm already 45. I don't want to be 55 rebuilding my life. life again, I'd rather, you know, keep my peace and save myself all those years of heartache down the line. Yeah, I think that's right. Or if, I mean, yeah, if, if this, so let me, let me go at this problem from another angle. One hundred percent, I believe couples who experience

infidelity can come back together and build something new. I wouldn't do this show if I didn't believe that they can they cannot if it doesn't start from a scorched earth honesty and if the other person doesn't wake up for an extended season saying i will own the bridge building that has to happen here i imploded the trust and so you hand me a map and i'll follow it no me a year done easy what's next You know the pass go to my phone? Done, what's next? You want to pull credit report every two weeks to see if I have another phone line somewhere else?

Done, easy. What's next? Like, right? Yeah, he already won't let me look at his phone. Yeah, then what he's telling you is, you're stupid, I think you're dumb, and I don't care how you feel, just trust me, and then let me live my life.

Yeah. And so I'll say it this way. The day of reckoning will come, one way or the other I'm with you if the day of reckoning is coming I'd rather have it happen now right

so you you have to get clear about what would be true what must be true for him to do to rebuild trust and hand him that piece of paper and then he gets to be a big boy and decide he made big boy

choices so he gets to be a big boy a grown up man and make choices I will not walk that path. Or I will walk that path. Yeah. And that's if you even want to stay. Yeah. But you don't need my permission to leave.

You don't need my permission to stay. Yeah. I just want the clarity. Like I want somebody to like talk through it like this and tell me like it's okay. I'm not crazy. Yeah, you're not crazy. No. Yeah, I'm not crazy.

No. And it's not an unreasonable request to say, hey, let me see your phone. If someone's sneaking off to Mexico for romantic rendezvous with someone they say, I love, no. Not crazy. Yeah, because that's how he makes me feel. He says, I just want to be a victim

and I want to stir the pot. And I'm like, this is literally like two days old. I don't want to stir the pot. I want to feel safe. Oh, geez. Yeah, this is another example of guys. Gaslight 101. Mm-hmm.

I'm going to do whatever I want, whatever I want. I'm going to blame you for feeling weird about it or bad about it or for challenging me on it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, his response was, we've already talked about this. I apologized how long I'm going to make me pay for this. And I said, this is literally like to, this is, I told you on Saturday, today's Sunday. Here's the language.

You blew up our home. Mm-hmm. You destroyed it. It's going to be a minute. Yeah. And if me talking about how much you hurt me and our daughter and how much you blew up our home, if that's such an affront to you, then I understand where you place me in the order of importance of your life. But yeah, I mean, the marriage all had doesn't exist.

It's over. It's over. The question is, do you want to rebuild one with somebody who's just going to be dismissive of you, treat you like you stupid, and get mad at you 24 or 48 hours after he gets caught lying? Well, I mean, that's brazen, even for brazen folks. Wow. Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, Angelina.

That's heartbreaking. I think it would be wise to call an attorney and figure out what the path looks like and if you learned any lessons from your divorce from your first husband, make sure you put those down on paper in front of your attorney. I hate that you'll go through this again. I hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it, hate it. But you're worth more than this. Your daughter's worth more than this.

This guy is worth more than this. What an absolute mess. Thanks for the call, sister. I'm so sorry. I will be heartbroken with you. When we come back, a woman asks how to care for her mother without resentment after being forced to do wild things as a child. Everything, and I mean everything feels like it's off the rails.

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I'm doing okay. How are you? I'm going to get super vulnerable in a minute, and it scares me to death. So I'm awesome. Pretty awesome, yeah. Well, I am really honored that you called, and I appreciate your willingness to be vulnerable.

It's just you and me and a couple million other people. That's it. Okay, so my current situation is I have an 80, year old mom who had a stroke last year. It was one year after my dad passed, which left her unable to speak. So I take care of her. She lives in an assisted living place. So I go over every day at lunch and make sure she has things, take her shopping, we go to church together and do all those things. and I find myself feeling resentful because she didn't take care of my sister and I too well

when we were kids and my dad wanted to go to a nudist camp. So that time I was nine and my sister was 13 and we were told we have to keep this secret were not allowed to tell anybody where we go. I would watch my dad, Don, one of my mom's wigs driving down the road to get there because he didn't want anyone to see us driving in there or assume it was them.

And it wasn't until actually I had granddaughters that I thought, hang on, I would never do that to them. And that was a pretty vibrant. vulnerable thing or a place to put kids in. And I felt... That's abuse, hon. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, I mean, that is horrific abuse. That goes well, well beyond vulnerable. Forcing a nine-year-old and a 13-year-old to go spend time at a nudist camp. Yeah. Yeah, it's a grotesque abuse. And I'm heartbroken and sorry. Yeah, it makes sense why I do the things I do or I am the way I am now.

Tell me about those things. Well, they used to, I questioned them once and said, why did you take us there? Like that, it was a pretty hedonistic kind of place. And she said, you had fun. You guys laughed. You played with the other kids. You always had fun. And then I thought afterwards,

well, you were gaslighting me my whole life already. And it makes me feel incredible body shame to the point where I'm uncomfortable when I get out of the shower and I'm naked. I cover myself up right away. And with intimacy, I've always got to have some clothing on me. And I'd like to not feel that way. And now I think, well, I'm already 63 years old.

And but I still want to, I don't want to feel that way anymore. And I'm doing so much to, and I shouldn't because it's not the Christian thing to do to think why am I killing myself every day running and helping you to the point of exhaustion because my sister moved far away. She can't be here to help. When you didn't have the simple courtesy to keep us safe.

Okay, let me challenge you on a few things, okay? Thing number one. I don't care how old you are. You're worth being unshackled from the abuse and the madness you experienced as a little girl. Okay? You're worth that. Are you married now? I am actually with a man and we are planning to get married.

Gross. Is he awesome? Oh, God, it's amazing. He tells me how beautiful I am all the time and never. pushes me. It's awesome. Not for him. He'll benefit, but not for him, for you. I want you to make an appointment with a trauma therapist tomorrow, okay? Okay. And I want you to call that trauma therapist and say you grew up in an abusive, sexually abusive household, and you're ready once and for all to be free. Okay? Be free. Because you're not...

shackles is a great word to use that's exactly how I feel. Yeah. And here's the thing, you can't think your way to this kind of freedom. It has to be experienced through your body with the help of somebody who knows what they're doing who's trained and licensed and we'll walk with you. Okay. Okay. But I'll tell you there's profound freedom that you don't know exists on the other side. Okay.

Okay. That's challenge number one. Here's challenge number two. There is nothing unchristian about being frustrated. There's nothing unchristian about thinking, why am I doing this? We, not only did you not help us growing up, you put us in incredibly abusive situations,

then you blame us for thinking it was unsafe and weird. Thank you for saying that. There's nothing unchristian about that. You're not a bad person, okay? you're a human being you're a human being the questions that in no way

shape form or fashion at all in any way am I trying to make an excuse by what I'm about to say okay I'm just trying to provide a context all right yeah who knows what hell your grandmother

I mean your mother was living in oh I know she was she was incredibly submissive and I would watch it and then I would call my dad out on it and then I would be told to sit and mind my place and it's between the two of them

but I could see it's amazing you brought that up because when she stopped talking after her stroke and people asked her questions she just shrugged her shoulders and I thought, wow, that's exactly what you did when dad was alive. You just shrugged your shoulder and nodded yes. So I'm sure she went through hell as well.

So maybe you have a great picture of what she grew up, I mean, what she lived in, similar to her as a stroke victim. Right? And here's why I tell you that. Not to excuse the way she's lied to you over the years, not to excuse the fact that she didn't throw you and your sister in a car. drive as far away from that man as possible, all those things. Right? I'm not trying to excuse that at all. Yeah.

She has culpability and responsibility as an adult with children to protect her kids. And it was 50 years ago. Culture was different. Times were different. Police were, like, everything was different, right? Right. And so the question is less about tit for tat

why didn't you do this so should I do that I want you to ask yourself this question at 61 years of age who do you want to be in the world because I think the care of your mother moving forward is going to say a lot more about you than it does about her

yeah I won't leave her okay I'll see I'll see that all through and then I won't regret something else again. And the way you just said that is really important, okay? So don't lose this.

I'm going to stop letting her drive. I get to choose from today forward who I am going to be in this world, period. I'm a strong, grown-ass woman that can do whatever I want to. And I'm not going to let her take away my dignity and my honor and my sense of responsibility as a woman who says, I'm not going to leave my mom by herself. She didn't get that too. Yeah.

Right? If, and again, I'm putting words in your mouth, if that's what you think and believe. I do believe that. I do. And I can't imagine being locked in her body right now and how frustrating it is. And she works at it and she tries.

And, I mean, after that situation was done, And she actually flourished a little bit after my dad died and started talking and telling me stories. From her childhood, she actually had a voice. And she got to speak, and I'm so sad that her voice got taken away. Can you start a journaling thing together? Can she write? No, she can't write. She can't write anymore. I'm so good at 20 questions, though.

like I'll take anyone on now. Like I've gotten very good at figuring out what she wants through our conversations. I also have an autistic granddaughter who doesn't speak. So sometimes I talk a lot in a day. And but that girl was just showing me how to live my life. Honestly, she's my hero. That's awesome. And sometimes you don't need words.

So I think the show's actions will speak. louder. Yeah. And so I don't want you, you can do what you want, okay? If I find myself in your situation and then layer on, like if I find one of my parents, I find myself taking care of them and I don't, I don't have the abuse layers you've got. Um, but I would want to ask myself while looking in the mirror, who do I want to know myself to be? And I'm going to go do those things. Yeah. And it sounds like, that's a really good answer. You're saying, I'm a kind of person that's just going to get in there and get it done.

Because when my mom passes, I'm going to remember myself as someone who honored a woman who didn't even bother to honor me when I was little kid. Or you may find some stories or some diary entries somewhere or something. Maybe in her own best way possible as she could do without getting her head knocked off, she protected us the best she knew how to do in the situation she found herself. in a time and a place when the only thing people cared less about kids was women. That would be great. I do see it in her eyes. Yeah. And here's the thing.

If you're not going to leave her, if you're not going to just stop going, this is going to sound nuts. I'm about to tell you, okay? Okay. I would spend no more than 1.2 seconds a day being upset with her because you being upset with her doesn't change what you're about to do during the day. It can't erase the past and it's not going to change her. All choosing anger, running the story back, the frustration that you never, why didn't you ever, all of that stuff. And it becomes a choice to be miserable doing the things you are already going to do today.

Yeah, that's... And so I'm not going to choose misery. I'm going to choose joy. So I'm going to celebrate myself. And nobody's ever celebrated you except for this new knucklehead. And I'm glad he's in your life. But I am going to celebrate my... I'm going to put three or four things I'm grateful for about me.

And that's not unchristian. That is you honoring this person that you said, God loves you. I'm going to honor that person. God thinks I'm worth being loved. Then for crying a lot, I can love me too. Yeah. that's hard it's real hard but i can do it yeah it's real hard i i will i will work to that to that

and here's what trauma healing is going to do it's not going to erase what happened no and there's probably things that you will uncover during this process that will be really heavy and overwhelming fair um yeah um what it will allow you to do is when you step out of the shower your body go into panic mode. It won't go into frantic grasping for the towel to cover up. It will you being able to be reckless and uninhibited with this new husband of yours who loves you like to the moon and back. He does and that would be a gift. But the gift of freedom will be for you. He'll be a direct beneficiary of that gift, right? But the gift will be your body. body doesn't try to go to war and protect you every time it feels like you're exposed like you

were when you were nine. Yeah. That makes sense. I was trying to always figure out why do I feel the opposite of the thing that I did? Because your body put a GPS pen in. People are looking at me. And the adults in the room are supposed to protect you from that moment and they didn't. They exposed you further.

So the freedom that it was supposed to give turned into the. shackles later in life. There is no freedom for a nine-year-old at a nudist colony. I mean, that's just insanity. It's madness. It's terrifying. I don't even have words for that. But yeah, your body has been trying to protect you for the last 50 years

because there were no adults in your life that we're going to protect you as they should. So your body said, all right, I'm the only one. I wish you nothing but healing and freedom and just a reckless, fun, fun, you need fun, life with this man that's coming to your world. And I just wish you guys the absolute best. Thank you so, so much for the call. All right, when we come back, a man asks how to support his wife through her severe depression and anxiety. We'll be right back.

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for taking my call. You got it, my brother. What's up? So, yeah, honestly, I feel, honestly, kind of just like, a little bit like lost in the woods just with, with everything.

So I've been married, about eight and a half years to my wonderful wife. We have two kids. You know, a little, both toddlers. And I'd say kind of like on the

overall on the outside, like things are good. But it started off really small, you know, kind of early on in our marriage that my wife's anxiety, especially kind of started like ticking up. Like her depression started ticking up.

And we would, you know, like she would do like therapy. She'd, you know, later started with a psychiatrist and going through those. But just over the years it just has ramped up, has ramped up, has ramped up. We'd have, you know, high risk pregnancies and postpartum was just a whopper for her. And then it never went away. It was just that became the new normal as far as the depression and everything that it brought. And yeah, it's just, it, for me,

I'm just looking on, I just feel so powerless with so much of it that, you know, like, I, there's so few times now, and it has been like almost, five years that depression has gone to the point where it's a it it's um i don't know what i can say but uh you know self harm and things start to come into play and she she she she's suicidal yeah okay actively yeah okay um like a week ago uh like a week ago i like a week ago i like I walked in on her with my kid right before we put her to bed, put him to bed, and it was probably seconds before she was going to try.

And it just happened that we walked in. And we, you know, we took her to crisis and her like, we did everything. She's getting treatment. We're doing everything. But, yeah, it just feels like I'm just a lot. for the ride. Yeah. And that despite how much I love and encourage, it's nothing I can do.

Yeah. So this is not an apples to apples comparison, okay? But I want you to use this as an analogy, all right? If she had contracted stomach cancer, you would have that same feeling of powerlessness. Like, I can't do anything. I can take you to the doctor. I can't heal you from this, what you have in your guts. But it would be minus the shame.

It would be minus that you look in the mirror and saying, why can't I love you so that you feel less anxious? Why can't I love you enough so that you feel less depressed? And that's the part I want you to let go in this season, okay? Because it's not about you not loving her well. It's not about you loving her with all the skills. you got all the tools you got in your toolkit. It's about her being sick.

She's not well right now. Okay? And so the powerlessness is real. The sense that this is always going to be this way, and is this the marriage I'm going to have for the rest of my life? And then the guilt you feel by even asking that question or thinking that question, I want you to set that kind of stuff down right now, okay? Okay.

It's like if you were to come see me privately, if you were to if you were a friend of mine i would suggest she needs impatient treatment right away and i know that that's almost impossible logistically with two young kids you're probably working a full-time job it's chaos it's whatever it is a hellish price to pay in the short term for the potential of real long-term healing in your home and in her heart and mind spirit, okay? Yeah. But that's where I think we are.

This is beyond pharmacology at this point. This is going to take a whole system of support. Yeah, I think so. And it's because it's the, because like your analogy, like if it was, you know, heaven forbid anyone, you know, cancer or carc and, you know,

some kind of, you know, other physical injury or things like there's a wound you know there's a scar there's literally you know there's the cancer in you and they can watch it and they can track it and they can treat it and um but this it's with it being mental it just is so hard because she can have good days like in her good days aren't aren't great it's been so many years. I think she's, I honestly believe she's forgotten

what it's like to not feel hopeless and depressed. Sure. Like to think, if I ask you like, what do you have planned today? She's not able to answer that. Yeah.

She's just like, I'm just, I'm just going. Like I'm not planning on anything in the future because she, the depression like it, it's causing you're not to really, to really see it or see yourself there. But with the mental,

she can have like that traumatic, traumatic night we had, where I had to take her to crisis center and everything, you know, and they had her overnight. The next day, they discharged her. And for all intensive purposes, life went back to normal.

She was back home. She, like, we went back to her normal habits, you know, obviously added, you know, precautions and, you know, medications and things, but for me, it felt like, like waking up from a bad dream. Right. But instead of saying, like, oh, wow, that was a bad dream. I'm glad it's over. It's like, no, the entire world, like, everything's gone back to normal, but I experienced

this thing sheeted and it's... Nothing is normal. But it's like, it also never happened. Nothing is normal. Okay? You're not crazy. Yeah. You're not crazy.

Nothing is normal. Everything's different now. Okay? Yeah. Can I be real blunt with you? Yeah, please. You walked in on your wife about to take her life or attempt to take her life to die by suicide in front of your young child. There's zero normal about that.

Yeah. She's very, very sick. Okay. And you're not crazy for being frustrated with the mental health support systems we have in this country. you're not crazy for being super, you're just sitting her back home? Yep. Yeah. You're not crazy that she is trying to play, perform the role of normal mom and wife to the best of her abilities.

And you kind of thinking, what are we doing? We're just going right back to, we're just going to pretend like that didn't happen. Yeah. You're not crazy, okay? thank you the boldness you need here is um to remind her to tell her to say i love you enough i love our kids enough that i want us to hit pause on this charade we're all playing and the best way i can love you right now is to support you getting well and you're the needs you have to get well exceed what anyone in this home can do.

And so I've made arrangements for you to go visit somebody or to go do inpatient for 30 or 60 days where you can rest, you can sleep, and you can get a glimpse of what it looks like to hope again, what it looks like to feel good again, right? And your understanding of major depression is more accurate than most. She doesn't have a picture of the future with her in it. she doesn't have a lived feeling or a lived experience of what it feels like to feel good and so there's nothing to aim for right like if if i blew my knee out tomorrow i would have a memory of what it felt like to walk and go jogging with no pain i would be looking forward to

getting to that back she that that doesn't exist for her yeah and now we have somebody who's actively trying to hurt herself or really what she's trying to do is to stop all this hurt an inpatient is insanely expensive. Yeah. I don't know how you'll navigate child care. I don't know how you'll navigate. I don't know how you'll do any of that stuff. You have to call in every friend in favor and community member and family member you got.

But this is where we're at in your home. And this is what I would tell my wife. I would tell my sister. I would tell my daughter. I would tell my son. I would tell my friends. The exact same thing. This one's too big.

Okay. Yeah. And I think what I don't want you to do is to fall prey to this black cloud and you lose hope to. And can I tell you something crazy? Yeah. I've come to believe hope is an action. It's not a feeling. Yeah.

It's an orientation. I'm going to keep doing the next right thing because I believe in my guts, it gets better. Especially when I don't feel like it. So I'm going to make sure I exercise. I'm going to make sure that I call in every helping professional I can to support and love my wife. I'm going to call my neighbors and ask for help

getting kids to school and back and stuff like that. I'm going to ask my local church for help with free child care because I don't have any more money. We're going to ask everybody for everything. I'm going to reach out. By the way, you'll be honoring other people too by asking them. You'll be giving them purpose and meaning,

which is in short supply these days. Okay. Yeah. No, thank you. I'm sorry, this has happened to me, and to her, to you, to your kids, to everybody. Yeah, I just, it's one of those, it's funny, like hindsight is 2020, that, like, looking back, it's like, oh, if we would have done this different, like, maybe, you know, if I pushed a little more to, like, have her see medical professionals earlier on, you know, years ago, but, you know,

leaving it up to her, be like, hey, you know, like, you know, make an appointment. She said she would. But if I had only, like, pushed more, this or that. And I don't know if it would have moved the needle at all, but it's just such a... Here's the thing. I hate to say it like this. This is pretty abrupt. Doesn't matter.

Yeah. Doesn't matter. Yeah. This is you cruising down the highway at 75 miles an hour trying to drive by looking at your rear of your mirror. It's unhelpful. The only thing, that, that story's been really. written there's a period at the end of that story the only story you can impact is the one you write

next so if you imagine yourself holding a pen what is that story going to be i loved my wife enough to wade in through her pain and her hurt and say we're going to impatient i got over my concerns with asking people for help and frustration and i started asking everybody right i had to go sit down with my boss and say i need to alter my schedule i need like i don't know what do for a living but i what i'm saying is i started taking every route possible that's what the next right thing looks like for you but it starts with her going to get inpatient treatment for major depression and for for a whole host of things and there hopefully they will give her medical diagnostics physiological diagnostics hormone testing as well as psychiatric pharmacology they should take

care of her and then begin working on life overwhelm skills and then y'all will begin to reunite and say okay how do we build a brand new marriage together where i'm a part of loving you and honoring you well and you for me because she needs a role too i've seen these situations that go really well someone goes and gets the help they need to come out with a whole new perspective on life and then they rebuild something amazing and cool and this becomes an extraordinary story to tell your great grandkids one day I also can tell you if you want to talk about living in the rear view mirror if something does happen in the interim it's going to be a weight that you carry that's I wouldn't wish on anybody so make the calls

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But I think this one also is kind of bigger than just the app as well. explain mental load and what that is what's its impact as a guy in the United States mental load is a bunch of bullcress is this kind of like say gaslighting

gaslighting doesn't exist yeah there's not gaslighting mental loads a bunch of bull crap I'm just kidding mental load is a it's a phenomenon that it's not a phenomenon that was such a stupid way to say that

it is everything that is a spouse is carrying a person is carrying in the background of the day-to-day responsibilities of their life here's what I mean um my wife wakes up the kids have to eat they have to get the school on time they go to two different schools they have two different start times but this day one kid has off but this kid has a late start and so that means we have to drop them off one off here and then I got to make arrangements to pick this other kid up because one's got a soccer game one's got a track meet and in the background there's also mother-in-law's coming next weekend John's mom's birthday is coming up got to make sure the cards get sent out and also I think his sister texted and said this and also there's doctor's appointments and but there's the orthodontist

appointment but I think one kid has getting the braces off and the next one that that's mental load It's all the stuff that one person is carrying all the time. In addition to I got to get to work, I got to get home, dinner's got to get made, the yard's got to get moat. It's all the stuff that has to happen in life. Where I've seen mental load a lot over the last several years, especially, is it's been couched as a totally gendered thing. Women have this crazy mental load that men don't have. And I posit that men do have a significant mental load. It's just different.

And so when my wife, I remember us sitting down and talking about all this stuff, and there was two big components to mental load. Mental load number one is it never occurred to her that I'm walking around all the time, closely watching retirement accounts, watching the state of how our city is doing. what's going to happen if this happens where is this going to be are we going to be okay here hey there's a guy following us too close over here

in this restaurant like when I explained to her me walking into a restaurant with the family she was stunned she's like literally you have two exits for every time we walk into a restaurant and you scan the room for any and I said yeah every single time like she didn't know I did that

she thought it was kind of ridiculous and I laughed and said well I think it's kind of ridiculous that you're in your head you're carrying around six months or no orthodontist appointments and so I said both of us are carrying stuff that the other person doesn't understand that has varying levels of importance now and in some imaginary future. And so the second part of this that was hard is I said, why don't you just write down all the school start times, all the doctors, all their phone numbers and stuff like that

that you're carrying and we'll tape it somewhere in multiple places in the house and I'll take a picture of it and I'll always have it on my phone. And there was a strange sense, she smiled and she's like, but then what will I carry? And so, So it was also this sense of identity, like I'm the one that keeps all this together. And if I was to say, hey, will you look at these retirement accounts with me once a month? I would feel like, well, I mean, that's kind of my job. My job is the one to get dramatic and come up with future scenarios that are never going to happen and try to solve them in the present. That's what I do.

And so mental load is for couples, I think it's important that everybody take regular times. And the Together app is wired into this. If there's one thing that's the most important part of Together app is the weekly rundown. What does this week look like coming up financially, calendar-wise? We're going to put sex on the calendar? Like, what is happening this week? And where do we put what we're carrying? What's the mental load?

Can I help with cards for birthdays? Can we text this year instead of writing handmade cards? Are there flights that we need to buy? Are there doctor appointments I need to drive? Like, let's put all that stuff out of our heads in on paper and we'll share it together. and then we'll divide and conquer. And it's not getting any identity about, look what I'm carrying versus what you're carrying.

And also it's being honest about, hey, these things got to get done. And both people need to hop in there and get it done. Man, you're talking about freeing your whole life. It's amazing. Once my wife and I started sharing mental load stuff, it's been transformative. We both walk lighter.

We don't have less crap to do, but I can pick up the slack more. She doesn't feel obligated. to carry all the stuff, and I'm sure not carrying as much of this existential garbage I always carry around. So does the app walk you through that? Yes. Like it walks you through the weekly rundown, which is a weekly thing that everybody should do in your marriage. And it gives you prompts at different stages, different activities to talk about mental load today.

Let's discuss this thing. Let's have this conversation about this piece of thing. So yeah, it's perfect for that. Awesome. You don't have any mental load, do you? No, no, none whatsoever. No. Here we go.

Dialing up the drama, it's Kelly. Oh. Yeah, a little bit. Just, you know. See? Don't go there. I can't get there. It's 400 years ago.

Love you, bye.