The Dr. John Delony Show - My Husband Constantly Lies About Money (Why?)

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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During the government shutdown, my husband wasn't getting paid. So I asked him several times, are you getting paid? No. And then I found out that the whole time he was getting paid. Why was he lying to you? I asked him. And he said, oh, every time he got paid, they said it might be the last one. What's going on? What's going on? This is John with the Dr. John Deloney's show. I'm so glad that you are here. New Year, New Year, New You. New Year, New Me. New Year New Year, New Year. I'm hoping. Aren't we all? You look younger today. Look at that. New Year, New Me. That's very nice. And all your tattoo removal surgeries are going well? Yes, very well. Thank you. Yeah.

I see you're like, if you're just listening to this, she's rocking her deep, deep, deep, deep V. We're all a little bit uncomfortable, but I knew you knew her, bringing it back. I like that. Hey. See, you, for like 10 whole seconds, you were there. You were doing great. Frow to you. Let's go to Denver, Colorado and talk to dear Marie.

What's up, Marie? Good morning, Dr. John. How are you? I'm living in Lovita Loka. What are you? to well i have a i have a question for you about if i'm overreacting oh man the fact that you asked that question makes you my new friend probably yes but let's go with let's go for it right i know myself so i i know that i do this excellent what's up so what happened recently the most

recent oh i thought you were going to say so what had happened was that would been awesome okay so what happened recently you took a very denver turn on me there at the end that's okay I'm full for. That's all right. What's it? Well, what happened was during the government shutdown, my husband wasn't getting paid, right? So I asked him several times during this period, are you getting paid? No.

Money, things would come up, things to fix the house or whatever. And I'd be like, oh, we can't afford it right now. Let's wait until the government shutdown ends. And then I found out that the whole time he was getting paid. He lied to me about it. Why was he lying to you? I asked him and he said, oh, every time he got paid, they said it might be the last one. I said, why didn't you just tell me that?

I'm like, I'm over here scraping together, you know, money and everything so that we can, you know, get by. And this whole time you're getting paid. So let me flip this around, okay? Mm-hmm. How long have y'all been married? almost 10 years okay are you a wife

he can tell stuff like that too uh I thought so tell me about that well I mean he is in our 10 years

he has hidden financial stuff from me that I have been discovered and confronted him on it and he always comes up with an excuse of why he did it

okay and you know It's come up before. We're still together. I told him, you know, I thought we were just, I thought we were a team. You know, we'll do things together, but it keeps happening over and over again. So obviously lying and hiding money is, I mean, it's a form of infidelity, right? Yeah.

I call it financial infidelity. You're 100% right to be freaked out to be unsure. Yeah. But I'm changing my tune over. time right because i guess it's easy to look at this guy and if he was calling me on the phone to be like hey dude i'm hiding money from my wife whatever of course just being husband to husband dad to dad with this guy i would say hey you're being a person who lacks character he's on a phone you are and so what i want to ask you first out of the gate is are you a person who teamwork is

we have money to do what I want we have money that I panic I freak out and so I want to make sure we are saving we're doing this the way I want to do are you a person that he can be open with because if you are then it's a totally different trajectory if you can look at at how you are as a teammate and say actually teammate means we do what I want

that's a different that's what I want to be reflective about before I start throwing grenades. I see what you're saying, but I, well, of course, I feel this way because it's me. Because it's you. Yeah, of course I'm right. But I feel like, for example, when he started getting retirement, I said, it's your, you know, his first retirement from his first job. I'm like, let's take some of that. Let's put a part of it into savings. And it's not for me. It's for him.

But you're answering my question for me. Okay. What I would love the question to be is, who do we want to be 10 years from now? And how can, like, I want us to paint a picture together. And then accomplishing that picture is a simple math problem that you reverse engineer. I want to have a car that costs $20,000 in five years. Cool. How many months until then?

60 months. How many dollars do I need to put in account? But if he gets this check, and you say you need to for you, then what you get is he's getting another mom. Do you get what I'm saying? Oh yeah, and I feel that, but I feel like he puts me in that position.

Okay, tell me about that. He's so irresponsible with his money. Tell me about that. Because now we're getting into contempt, right? Like, I'm watching how he does his thing and... Yeah. Right? And it's not good.

Tell me about that. And you may be 100% right. I just want to lean into, the person on the phone with me right not in a not in a coming after you but just make sure we're all speaking the same language no and that's fine because yeah my need my need your reaction on emotions is anger so i know and that's why i called okay awesome like am i because yeah it could be me well i it's usually a co-created dance right so sometimes somebody like if i'm dancing with my wife She's wanted me to take her dancing, our whole marriage.

And so when I show up to dance, and by the way, I am, to say I'm bad is the understatement of the century. I'm literally the worst dancer that's ever existed. My hips for sure do lie, like badly, right? Okay, so here's the thing. When I do dance with her, I want to do it so well that I completely lose the fact that I'm with my best friend and my, my, my quarter century mate, my girlfriend still, who happens to be my wife, I lose all of that and I turn into a performance and I try to get every step right. And so I step on her feet. I go too fast, too slow because I'm trying, you get what I'm saying? And so it's a, it's a world we've co-created together. And so I, it's rarely, I mean, you listen to the show. Sometimes it's 100% one person, right? But sometimes it's a co-created. You need to, you need to. Why aren't you? which then somebody begins to slowly shrink their shoulders and draw their arms around.

Okay, this is mine then. And that doesn't make what they're doing right, but it makes it, it's a context, not an excuse. I understand it, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, so tell me about, like, you're watching him do his stuff with his money. Tell me about that. Well, when there's been a couple times where he said things were going to happen, he volunteered it, financially, and then it just never happened.

Like what? Give me an example. Sure. He paid off his car, and I had a little bit of credit card debt, and he's like, I'll give you the money for what I was paying for my car. I'll give you that help pay down your debt. I'm like, I didn't ask for it. I was like, oh, that's awesome. Never saw it. When he started getting his retirement, he's like, oh, you can quit your job or go part-time to your job, and you can do this, you know, this dream project I had. And he's like, and because my retirement money is more than you make in a month. He volunteered that.

I was like, oh, well, yeah, we can talk about that. Never happened. I said, let's save a little bit of your retirement check just for savings, you know, a cushion. He said, okay, never happened. So it's just over and over again. And this time, lying to my face and saying that he was not getting paid, is just again. Yeah.

It happened again. And I just feel used. Like, how can you lie to somebody's face like that and carry on in your life? Like, everything's normal. You know, there's no problems here. And when I confronted him with it, he said it was, he had faulty logic. What's that mean? I don't know.

I was like, that's not faulty logic. That's lying to my face. And you know what? You're right. And? You are totally right, and you know, you've listened to my show long enough. If he was on the phone with me, I'd to wear him out on that, right? And the way you're describing y'all's interactions tells me, in no way, shape, form, or fashion are y'all a team?

Right. Y'all are using team language. But you're saying his car, you're dead, his retirement. It's y'all's debt. It's y'all's cars that you happen to drive every day. It's y'all's retirement. And until you get there, there will always be, going back to the dance metaphor, somebody vying for, I want to lead the dance.

My wife has her own small business, okay? And the way we've set up in our house is that's a small ecosystem that lives within itself. Meaning when she sells one of her books, it goes back into her, little world, okay? And it's awesome. I love that she's, like, we have sat down, walked through all of it together. So at the macro level in our house, she has not worked, like her income has not dumped into our family pot. And yet, so all the income that we spend on our home, on our investments, on our whatever, actually comes from a check with my name on it, but make no mistake. It is ours.

We have cars. We have a house. We have groceries. And so we decide how we are going to co-create this amazing picture that we both have. And by the way, part of that picture down the road is our kids not having to carry the education burden that her and I had when we graduated. Part of that vision is a gigantic hunting ranch for me and any of my friends that I want to bring in and people who are struggling in their marriages who want to come fly into Nashville and just get away for a bit. That's part of our thing. You get what I'm saying? And it's a thing I really

want. So I put it on the table and we decide, is this a thing that we want to do? And how are we going to get there? And when you're vying for power, inside your own house, it makes, let me say it this way, power, the scratching and clawing of power, and we're watching it happen at the government level, we're watching it happen at the local level, and we're watching it happen in our homes. When you're vying for power, it exposes what you are most scared of. And so if your husband was on the phone with me, I would, the first question I would ask him is, where did he get burned with money in the past? Do you have an answer to that? Yeah, I think so.

that. And I've told him this. I think he grew up broke. Okay. And so, was he responsible for taking care of some of his parents' needs? Oh, his mom. Yeah. There you go. And so you see how you've recreated that with him? Yeah. Or he recreated it with me. Exactly. It's a, it's a figure eight. It's a figure eight. Yeah. Okay. So here's the, you've heard me say this a lot, and I'm trying to do a better job because people ask me what I mean because I throw some of these things out and I want to break it down as far as granular as I can somebody has to stop that dance but how do I well how do I stop it here's how okay you stop dancing you can't make him stop dancing but you have to turn the lights on and turn the music off what I mean by that I want you to make him his absolute

insane, even if you have to leave the house before he gets up and go get it, his favorite cup of coffee. And then I want you to show up and say, hey, and I want you to have pre-playing to this, I need an hour together. And then you have to put on the table, here's what I have brought to this dance. So to use my house as a metaphor, my wife saying, I have made wanting to dance with you such a big deal that I realized I put so much pressure on you, the A, you don't want to do, you, you won't do it with me very often. And B, you get so nervous when we get there, it's not a pleasurable experience.

So instead of waiting for dance lessons and waiting for the opportunity we're at a party to dance, could we just dance in our living room to like an old 80s metal song? You get how there's an invitation? And then we're going to get some reps. And so what my wife has done for, because What she wants is to go dancing. What she has done is she has taken, quote, unquote, the lead and not forcing a dance class on me, but she has taken the lead and turning the temperature so low, that dancing now sounds fun again.

It's an invitation. So you saying, hey, I, here's what I have contributed. And then that is an invitation to, I have to ask myself, have I created a world where you have to lie about your money, our money. I want us to put our debts on the table. I want us to put our future on the table because we have been together for a decade

and I'm hoping we got one or two decades left. And then here's the scariest part about that. He may say no. Well, he's a sweet guy. He'll say yes, but then how do I believe him? Y'all. Do you have to wait? Nope.

Y'all create a plan. You should know all the logins to his retirement accounts. Because they're y'all's retirement accounts. He should have all, y'all should have a single checking account that y'all live out of. But he does like, everything is like PayPal, PayPal, PayPal. I don't know what that is. Okay. Then you say, I want you to teach me about PayPal because it involves our money.

Ooh. Do you get what I'm saying? You're trying to play, you're trying to be teammates, but y'all are in different dugouts wearing different uniforms. Uh-huh. And that's, I'm very combative. And that's why I went back to the original question. Is it even okay for him to say, hey, I did get paid.

We may not get paid next month because y'all are so united that you can see that he's carrying a little bit of shame, a little bit of guilt, and a ton of rage because the adults in the room, the government officials are using him. as a pawn in their little games. Oh, I know. I would get so mad, I would get, yep, yep. But if you walk in and you all sit down, it's kind of the old interrogator trick,

if when you all have conversations, your seat, you instantly go six feet above him and you're looking down at how he's spending his money and is he doing this and is, I'm not saying he gets a pass. He's being a man who lacks character because he's lying to his wife. But,

if I were to dig into his situation. Is he created a world where he has to do that? He feels very judged by me. Because I guarantee you because he is. You've judged him on this conversation with me. Now, I would judge him. I would hold him accountable. And that's what I'm trying to do,

to say, like, I call you on your bullshit and it's, maybe that's the wrong word. But, like, I see it. No, that's the right word. I'm still here. But he doesn't have permission to call you on yours. I mean, he can. I know he can.

And you've told me your default is anger. Is explosion. You know what I'm saying? And here's what I'm trying to get to. If you want to be right here, you can be. He's lied to you. If you want to be married, and more importantly, you want to have peace and safety inside your chest,

which you don't feel right now. Mm-hmm. Then the only path forward is the most courageous, scary thing you can do, which is to say, I want to own my part of the dance that we're in. I'm a judgmental, angry person. And I think I've pushed you into a way that you're reacting poorly. And you may have to swallow your pride and ego and your anger. but it's it's the path back to connection okay do you get what I'm saying I'm not saying become a

dormant I'm not saying once you put this on the table if he lies again I want you to tell him not you shouldn't be lying to me he shouldn't get hear me say but I want you to say when I don't know where our money is it terrifies me I can't I can't breathe I can't sleep and then you know and he He knows that's a big issue for me because my previous husband did all kinds of crazy financial stuff. There we go. And so, Murray, head straight into it. Own what you have. Go with his favorite cup of coffee.

And they just say, hey, we've co-created this thing. Here's what I've brought to it. And also, I can't be in a relationship with somebody who lies about our money. I want our debts to be ours. I want our money to be ours. I want our future to be ours. are you in and then hold your breath because he may say absolutely or he may say nope thanks for the call we come back a man asks how to tell his wife that skipping their baby's legal documents

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What's up, man? Hey, yeah. I just had a question about trying to have a conversation, respectful conversation with my wife. Dude, good on you, man. That's a great way to even frame this conversation. Thanks. So my wife has, like over the course of our marriage,

has, I guess, grown more skeptical of, I guess, societal norms, I'll say. And it started off, or it has started off with pretty normal stuff that's, like, more accepted. Give me an example. Kind of like homeschooling, you know, like, I believe in homeschooling is not bad at all. And she, you know, she's skeptical about, like, vaccines, the sketch. particularly was at first, but now it's grown into all vaccines. And then, you know, she's talking about, recently I've talked about like not paying taxes and now she doesn't want to give our baby, get the birth certificate or social security number

for our newborn. Oh, yikes. Yikes, yikes. Yeah. She's down the rabbit hole. She spent a lot of time on social media? uh yes yeah yeah yeah this is a dangerous trajectory for you your wife and especially those sweet kids yeah that's that's what i believe and i'm trying to i've tried to bring it up before

and talk to her about it but i get kind of flustered and i think the arguments usually or the conversations usually devolve into an argument yeah and i'm trying to figure out how to better approach it so that we can kind of come to a resolution and move forward in like a safe manner. Man, that's such a great question

and unfortunately millions and millions of people are struggling with the same thing. Yeah. Because we've entered into the strangest information environment, I think, in human history.

Yeah. The things you're talking about are so insane like on so many levels and I absolutely understand when you have a baby is this your first one second one third one what what baby is this this is our second okay I remember how scared I was not knowing how to have two kids in the house and in our house I don't about yours but our house had there'd been a bunch of loss too a bunch of miscarriages a bunch of hospital visit like and so it was heightened I was just a scared guy yeah and

And I will never underestimate the privilege I had of working with at university systems with, like, I didn't have social media, A, and B, it would never occur to me to go to some weird influencer who's trying to sell me supplements, like the ground up dirt from like some volcano somewhere as an antidote to whatever. I just simply had, I could go down the hall and ask a cancer biologist or a epidemiologist or I could go down the hall and ask somebody who works, you know, on the, on the measles vaccine or whatever. And I know that that's an insane privilege that very few people have. So I want to honor the fact that your wife is scared and she wants to be a good mom and that we live in a world now where that fear is channeled through. algorithms simply designed for one thing to keep you glued to them. And the easiest way to keep you glued to something is to scream you're going to hurt or kill your child. Yeah.

Right? And then the powerlessness you feel that you watch, let's be honest, this isn't just about that. You're losing your wife in other places, too, fair? Yeah, definitely. Tell me about that. Um, I mean, we're not very intimate, I think, anymore, and, um... Tell me about that. We, um, I mean, it's been a couple years now. I think that it's degraded.

Um, and we, um, yeah, we don't, we don't, I mean, we don't have intercourse. We don't hug, we don't kiss all that much, um, except for, you know, when we were trying to make a baby, essentially. Sure. And then, you know, we can't really have a lot of conversations in terms of, you know, what I would consider normal conversations like finances and, and just everyday life, really. All right. That's what I want to put on the table.

Mm-hmm. And I'll challenge you the same way I challenged a previous caller. Are you a person who is safe to have? scary conversations with meaning when somebody picks up their phone and a hundred people tell them that the measles vaccine is going to kill their kid and that they bring it to you is your instant response is that's so stupid we're not doing that or you know what measles vaccine is how that became contentious i will never understand ever

but let's take that one off the table let's say the social security number I don't want a birth certificate if it's like hey I'm starting to question whether we should have these government documents are you somebody that's like that's so stupid or are you somebody who goes hey

I got us a babysitter I want us to go out tell me about it Um, I, I would say for the most part, I am the latter, but for the, when she brought up the birth certificate and tax, also taxes before and social security number, uh, I was really taken aback. And, uh, I was kind of confused and I kind of just answered as very bluntly like, what are you talking about? Well, and that's the right answer by the way. Don't, don't hear me say like, you need to gently go into that one, right? Yeah. Because here's what you're facing. You're facing a potential lethal decision for your children. Your wife is now asking, should we start committing crimes? Your wife is starting to ask, should we pretend, and it's all pretend. Should we pretend that we're hiding, right?

And what that tells me is you have a wife who's struggling deeply with fear and with anxiety. yeah or let me put it this way my guess is she is very very lonely right now fair yeah that's fair okay and so I want to enter into that conversation with deep compassion okay um the worst thing for a schizophrenic is to find out someone actually is following them around right what's that just because you're paranoid that someone's following you doesn't mean they're not right yeah and what you don't want to do is become yet another like

there's research that says like if somebody's super conservative or super liberal and you hand them clear documented evidence about how their position on a particular issue is categorically

factually incorrect it actually drives them further into their position which is so bizarre and strange yeah I think I tried to I think I made that mistake because I tried to say, like, the state, you know, the midwife filled out the birth record, the state already has the record, the birth certificates for us, for our legal protection. And I think that... It's for your babies. Like, I had to take my birth certificate that I still have from Texas Women's Hospital. I still have it in a safe that's inside another safe. It's that important of a document. I just used it last week, right? And all that to say is this, those things are.

Things are proxies to what's really going on, which is your wife is terrifyingly alone, terrifyingly scared. Okay. And she is looking for things that she can control. Okay. And so my plea to you is to enter into not trying to solve each one of those issues because you're actually going to drive her away.

Okay. It's heading into the issue that is, I feel like I'm losing my best friend in the world. I'm losing my wife. And I'm scared for you. How can I love you right now? Well, you would love me by being on my side that we don't... We're not going to talk about that right now.

Are you okay? You get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I do. I miss you. And when you go into those conversation, that conversation using eye words, on the whole, those are invitations. If you sit down and say, we're never having... We haven't had sex in years.

you're not doing this, you're not doing this, then you become yet another one of those vaccine peddling, government-supporting, loony tunes that her entire feed is telling her is trying to kill everybody. Yeah. Right? So play this out for me.

You sit down at the table with her, and I like breakfast just because the sun is out and people have slept sometimes. You sit down and you sit down, and you say, will you hold my hands? What? Will you hold my hands, please? I need to say something.

And you said, I love you, and I miss you. And I'm worried about you and I'm worried about us. What would her response to that be? Just play it out. And it might be a super negative response, but play that out. Yeah, I think our initial response would be laughing, like, and very skeptical of,

of, like, the genuineness of me trying to be intimate. with her. Okay, so here's the only thing you can control when she starts laughing is your emotional reactivity. Okay. Could you stay present then? Yeah. To where she felt the weight, not the weight of, this is a big, heavy conversation, but the weight of this guy that I've created two kids with, this guy that is my husband, is rooted. Does she have any other women in her life that you could reach out to And say I'm worried about my wife She's very close to her sisters of mom

Okay Are they in the same little tribe Where they just sit each other crazier and crazier Facebook messages? Yeah, sort of Yeah I think the mom is I think more reasonable And yeah

Okay. I am here today because my wife reached out to a couple of my guy friends. Okay. And they told me things that my wife had been telling me, but I couldn't hear it from her at the time because I wasn't well. Okay. And I will tell you initially, I was like, did you, you called so-and-so? Yeah, because I'm worried about you. Okay. And for whatever reason, that tether was, kept me, kept me hanging on.

Yeah. But this isn't, so let me back all the way out. Yes, your child 100% needs a birth certificate. He or she already has one for whatever it's worth. The fact that y'all don't want to get a copy and your wife thinks she is avoiding something is madness. Yeah. Did you all have that kid at home? Yeah, we did.

Okay. Was there a midwife there that went? registered uh yeah okay ta-da-a yeah yeah i tried to have the i know i know this isn't a logic issue this is a this is a fight or fight this is a trauma response yeah trauma is probably not the right word this is a terrified mother response okay and so it's getting to that level so when i was a scared anxious wreck when my wife would say hey we have to pay bills every month or we look at our bills we are fine financially we're okay then what my body registered that as oh she's one of them when my buddy showed up and i didn't

know she'd called him and he said hey you need to talk to somebody dude you're not okay that was the very first time that it registered with me that maybe just maybe it's me maybe it's me and that started that turned the car I was driving off a cliff one degree and that started

a complete total arc that here I am and my car is completely going a different direction now this many years later but yes your kidney's a birth certificate

they have one of some shape form or fashion unless you are in the deep Appalachian Mountains and y'all had a baby and your cousin delivered it and nobody, like, right, and if there was no prenatal care

and there was no, no, fill in the blank, fill in the blank, fill in the blank. I would be stunned if when the midwife registered that there's not a social security number somewhere, I actually don't know the mechanics of that all the way down. Your kid needs a polio vaccine and your kid needs a measles vaccine. And if you don't want to listen to this show anymore

because I said that, because I'm a part of Bue. fine go talk to somebody's great-grandparents who live through polio talk to parents who have buried their children from measles right and i also get the do we need hep be the day they're born i get all those questions all the questions are good but this is a scared scared mom let's start there and then it might be on you to invite couples over to invite people over to the house to begin building a world where she's got other people

she could reach out to and text and maybe get a human interaction. Maybe you say, hey, at nighttime, I want us to start putting our phones away. Would you join me in that? I'm going to turn my phone off when I walk in the door.

A way you could love me would be to turn your phone off. Little things like that that will slowly turn this tide. But you're right to be scared for your kids, both now and in the future. But also going to be scared. war with your wife is tough. There will come a moment when you might have to file the paperwork

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Just rocking on to break it down, brother. What are you doing? Just sitting here nervous. Don't be nervous. What's up, man? I'm just kidding. That's a dumbest thing you could tell somebody. Don't be nervous. That's not helpful at all, right? So be as nervous as you want, man. I'm glad you're here. How about that? Thanks so much. Should I just jump Do it?

Yeah, swan dive, brother, or cannibal, either one. Okay, so basically about a month ago, there was, like, we had a gas leak incident, and I didn't know what to do. At your house or at the office? Oh, that was at the job, because it's like a lab, so we had to leave the building. I have a 15-year-old son, and there's multiple gas leaks in my home on a regular basis. So, okay, so at the office, okay. Um, yeah, so it was at the office and, um, I didn't know what to do exactly because I've never,

and there was no supervisor. So we ended up evacuating the building and I thought, you know, I was kind of freaking out for sure because it was like a scary thing. Um, and, uh, my boss called me and he like yelled at me and then following that, it, um, like the week after, it was just, like I kept getting like reprimended and like I was surprised because I would thought that people would be like, you know, oh man, I'm so glad you're still alive, you know, but no one never said anything like that. So, but I'm also like stuck on crossroads in terms of jobs. So tell me about that. I wanted to. Um, so I've been like applying to things, but it's like waiting for like months to like go through application processes. so otherwise I would be like oh sweet you know I'm just going to leave this so sure well and let me say this you're wise to not just jump off the dock without another boat right yeah for sure yeah because are you married do you have kids um no but I have roommates and went to pay so excellent excellent perfect that's awesome so um I will say it like this I have my boss is a radio icon

and the CEO of a company has 1,000 employees. I'm a very opinionated guy, and so is he. And we have gotten shocker alert. We've gotten cross. I also know that after we've gotten cross, I can always, always circle back and say, hey, I want to follow up here. And then we can sit down and have that conversation.

with, and I always enter that conversation with, hey, how can I do this right or better next time? Or I clearly did something. I always take a humble approach. Not because I always think I'm wrong, but because humility is always the path forward where you get what you want to be, right? Unless you want to burn something down

and I just have decided in my life, I'm going to save burning things down to very rare moments. And so do you have the opportunity, if you were to send your boss an email or a text message, that y'all could loop back and say hey i want to follow up be like hey i clearly screwed something up i thought i was doing the right thing a how do you want me to handle this in the future and be um how can i make this right moving forward uh i mean not really just because like

um he is like very like strongly opinionated so i am too but i always but but if he strongly if he's strongly opinionated because he's a jerk or he's so scared of being wrong that that's how he goes through the world then yeah you're right that's not a person you want to work for this whole thing will implode on itself at some point financially safety wise whatever

this will implode because that sort of power is based on not being scared or trying to squash down fear right yeah and I well I think for sure if I had the opportunity or like if he was the kind of person I could sit down and like talk things out like same thing with my supervisor

like I would absolutely do that but it doesn't feel like I could you know. Have you done that with your supervisor? No, she just like kept like lecturing me and telling me, you know, what I could have done different. Okay.

So let's be reflected. Was she right? Oh for sure. Yeah. And I told her that too. I was like, yeah, you're right. know, like I could have done that for sure, but it seems like no one respected it on my half that, like, I didn't feel safe, you know, and I have the right to like stop there, you know.

Unless your feeling safe was not, your feeling wasn't factually right. And so you felt scared. And then you got some new information. And they're like, no, actually, this is the path you should have taken. And they should have said, hey, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't tell you this that's on us moving forward fill in the blank or maybe they did and you got scared and you didn't follow the protocol but i want you to hold the tension of i felt unsafe but actually i was and i pulled the fire alarm and actually there wasn't a fire is there any truth to that yeah i think in a way that like i could have like if i reflected on it i could have reacted differently, but I think the problem is that when I look back on it is it's based on

a lot of like assumptions of, you know, how that gas leak was occurring. So it would be me assuming like, okay, you know, if I stop this, that, you know, it's going to be done leaking and I can remove it, you know. Sure. But you get how both of you all had assumptions? Yeah, for sure. And I, I totally understand that. And I told that to them too, that. But it's just hard because, you know, I feel like it's definitely been a job that I've been like trying to get out of, you know, but everything's slow, you know. Totally. So is there a world where you take your lumps and you just move on?

Yeah, for sure. I definitely tried to do that. It was just, it was just like a terrible week, but I just didn't know how I could fix it on my end of things, you know, like internally. It sounds like you can fix it in two ways. one, don't let this incident take away your character. And what do I mean by that? You said, and you've continued to say, I will show up to your place of work and do my absolute best in exchange for serving a customer and in exchange for a paycheck. And you've also decided I don't want to work here long term. Great. That's awesome. But now that, like, as the old saying goes,

when your spirit leaves your workplace, your body should go ahead and follow it as soon as possible. And so the challenge for you is, how do I keep my spirit here when I got embarrassed, when I made a call and everyone around me and said, that's the wrong call. And I still think the call in the moment was right, but I get what they're saying.

How do you not be buried in shame and embarrass me? And take your lumps, stand back up tall and say, regardless of the environment, I am not going to cash in my character and my dignity. I'm still going to show up here, put my head down, work as hard as I possibly can, learn my lesson here. And at the same time, in the evenings, not on the clock, in the morning, I'm going to get up at 5 a.m. And I'm going to stop throwing a bunch of LinkedIn stuff out there with AI cover letters. But I'm going to go call actual people doing actual jobs that I wanted to work in.

And I'm going to up my game in terms of getting out of here. that's what you mean does that make sense because how old are you I am 22 okay part of working on a team

is striking out to end the game that happens especially when coach said hey when you go up there he's going to throw you a curball first don't swing and you walk right up

he throws a curveball and you swing and whiff and then coach goes I told you and you have that embarrassment part of you moving into like a profession is feeling a certain way making a call and it's a wrong call or maybe it was right for you but it was wrong for the company that you serve and taking your lumps and i could

if your leaders were calling me if your supervisors and bosses were calling me i i speak at business events all over the country i would tell them dude you have a 22 year old no not no dis here but you have a 22 year old kid this his first job is gas leak relax bring the kid in saying say, hey, I get while you made this call. Don't do that in the future. Here's all this is. And we need to do a better job of, A, training you all, and B, having a hotline that you all can call.

You know what I'm saying? That's what they should do. And they didn't. And so you get to decide, am I going to quiet quit? Am I going to, at 22, decide I'm a person who, if I have a strong feeling, even if it's wrong,

I'm going to take my ball and go home. Or am I going to take my lumps? By the way, they're going to be on to the next drama next week. I'm going to put my head down. I will be the best worker humanly in this building. I'll outwork everybody. And I'm going to prove not only to them but to myself that I can take my lumps, even if it's not given the right way.

And I'm going to keep showing up here and working to serve the customer who's buying whatever products that we're making. You know what I'm saying? What I don't want you to do here is cash out just because you had a feeling. and you made a call and the call was wrong and your bosses haven't handled it great, fine.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so kind of like be the bigger person and kind of move on. It's not about being the bigger person, it's never letting external situations take your dignity and your integrity from you.

I see. And if you want to say, I don't want to be the bigger person here than the integrist thing to do would be to walk in and quit. I will not work for somebody who treats their employees this way when they make a mistake. And you're 22, and you're probably in a position where you don't have six months of an emergency fund somewhere where you can do that. Yeah.

And that's another thing. My hope is this is a moment for you where you say, I never want to be beholden to a boss again. And so I'm going to work for the next four years and not owe anybody anything. drive a crumb of your car. I'm going to pay all my student loans off. I am going to save and have six months of my expenses in a checking account, a high-yield savings account. That way, if anyone ever disrespects me, calls me out and embarrasses, like, whatever, if my boss ever shows a lot of person of character, I can walk right out the door. And here's what's crazy about that as a 22-year-old. When you had that sort of security outside of the office, you stand. You

stand a little bit taller and you challenge just a little bit more. And I don't know why or how this works, but supervisors and bosses tend to respond to that with, oh, that guy's got leadership potential. That guy screwed up and then held his own, said he's sorry, smiled, shook my hand, said it won't happen again, walked out. I like that confidence. I don't know why or how that works. but when somebody feels like you don't need this thing, it elevates the interaction. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure.

And so, man, this is one of those beautiful moments for you. There's 25 different lessons you can learn here. 30 different lessons here. And I almost think the greatest lesson you can learn, not from anybody else, but for your own grit and resilience and inner strength is actually I'm not going to quit. I'm going to keep going in here

where it quote unquote feels and I'm going to practice being a person of such high character and integrity. I'm going to work my butt off as long as I'm taking their check I'm going to go all in every day. Does that make sense?

And I know every one of your roommates is like, screw them, get out of here. And if we look around, there's too many 30-year-old men like us living in their mom's basement still. Yeah, that is a fear. Because they have a feeling, like I don't feel safe.

I don't feel like my boss likes me. I don't feel, and they just leave because they're letting her feelings run their life. Bro, I have done interviews in this new job I'm in on national media, and I have blown it. Right? It has not felt good.

And I can choose to just be like, I quit, or I can be like, you're right, I'm going to own it, I'm going to head back in. And I am blessed at a place where supervisors across my company that I work for, even the CEO, the president, those are different people. I know I can go sit down with them, and that's where I'm here long term. And if you don't have that, that's fair. That's a good callout. I don't want to work for that company long term because the leadership's going to crash that place at some point. But you get to decide you can be a person of resilience.

forward are you in yeah totally i love this i this sounds crazy i love the spiritual and um exercise for you here this is how a young man grows and strength and resilience and confidence which is i i um i got embarrassed i thought it was like go ahead oh sorry no go ahead i was just going to say um i thought it was you know like such a regrettable experience but i think um you're helping me realize it's like for my use it's something I should be thankful for. Yeah, dude. And would I want you to go through it again?

No. And you can be regretful, a regrettable experience. It can be an uncomfortable experience. And it can be a refining strength-building experience, too. It's who are you going to be after the thing happened? That's character. And maybe you learned at 22, okay, my feelings aren't always right. Or I'm going to make a call when I don't feel

safe, I'm going to always default to safety, and sometimes I'm going to over swing, especially at 22, especially with a gas leak, for God's sakes. Right? Yeah. It doesn't make you crazy. But I think, too, and by the way, this is going to happen in a romantic relationship. You're going to do something that you think is right. You're going to have a feeling about something. You're going to make a call and your significant other, your romantic partner is going to blow up. They're not going to, they're going to, they're going to withdraw. They're going to run. They're going to break up with you. They're going to do something like, ah, and you're going to decide, oh, I don't feel, fill in the blank.

What's the next right thing beneath that feeling? Because feelings aren't designed to tell us the truth. They're designed to keep us safe. And so your feelings in this moment, you heard a twig snap in the forest and you went running. And they're like, dude, that was just a squirrel. Could have been a bear. It could have eaten you, but it was a squirrel. And it's almost always going to be a squirrel.

All right, I'm going to learn that. It's just wisdom. That is just experiencing wisdom. So, dude, I think you're right. I think your bosses didn't handle this right. I think you probably overreacted. And all that's true, and you probably feel some guilt, and you probably feel some shame,

and you probably feel like, and they're beating up on you because you're 22 and you're new, fine. The question is, who are you going to be now? And I will not let them have my dignity. I will not let them have my integrity. And that means two things. One, I'm going to keep showing.

If I'm going to take their paycheck, I'm going to keep showing up giving my, 100% because me quiet quitting, me being like, that says everything about me and nothing about them. The second thing is I am going to start at 22. I have a goal at 25. I will be completely, completely. I won't owe anybody any money.

I'm going to have cash in the bank that I'm not investing in putting in crypto. I'm going to have some cash in the bank so that if in the future I need to walk, I can smile and shake their hand and say, cool, you'll have my resignation by the end of the day. you all have a great day. I'm going to have a smile on my face. Because I am going to have a foundation that I can anchor into. Not the whims of some boss that likes to beat up 22-year-olds.

So well played, brother. The next move for you is going to give you a trajectory on the man you are going to become. And man, these are those make or break moments for young men. And I've been there, dude. My suggestion to you is take your lumps on this one, keep showing up and working hard. If you don't want to be in this business long term, great. But don't let anybody have your integrity. We'll be right back.

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But I want you to back out of speaking up for what you want in the bedroom. And I want you to define intimacy as the creation of a secret world between two people. people and in this secret world we do things together we talk about things together and he knows what scares you he knows what makes you feel uncomfortable like you know what makes him feel uncomfortable what scares him what he likes and I want you to get inside there and so learning having a hard time speaking up for dot dot dot that's the problem we solve here not just in the bedroom because my guess is you have problems speaking up about other things too and so i want to put that on the table and it could be that your husband is is great but he hasn't created a world where you

feel safe enough to put on the table or it could be that speaking up for what you wanted has been something that got you whapped and ignored and beat up or whatever since you were a little kid and so what we're going to do in this secret world is we are going to begin to practice speaking up for what you want and what are we going to i want you to hear that word practice and so you and your husband come up with a ritual a weekly three things i'm going to speak up for i'm just going to practice and you have to tell them you can't fix this you can't be you can't withdraw be like oh you should have told me you can do that i'm practicing and i need you to stay present with me and hold my hands while I practice.

And I'm going to get all nervous. I'm going to get all scared. And then I'm going to practice three things. Saying three things a week. I have a hard time speaking up about how you empty the dishwasher. What? What? And so let me say it. I have a hard time saying that I don't love intercourse as much as oral sex. Can I just, can I just say it?

Okay. I have a hard time saying I don't like our church that we go to whatever those things are and I want you to begin practice not just speaking up for what you want in the bedroom but practice speaking up period and couples across the country are telling me that the erotic envelope system you go to Walgreens get an envelope he writes down five things he wants to try in the bedroom or likes you write down five things you want to try or like in the bedroom and you'll put it in envelope and once a week, once every two weeks, once a month, you draw one of those things. And here's the rules. The other person has to be curious about it, no judgment.

Even if they're like, oh, it's gross. So that's weird. I feel practice. And then part of the intimacy is not just going to do the act on the card. Part of the intimacy is you telling him why you put that on the card. And now you're talking about total transformation. But this is something you're going to practice. Not just about sex, not just about the best. bedroom, but about everything. And now you're talking about a fortified secret world, and now your marriage changes forever. Great, great question. Thank you so much for reaching out. I love you guys. Thank you for continuing to show up and listen to the show. Send it to a couple of friends. See you all soon.