The Dr. John Delony Show - My Husband Doesn’t Want Sex Since I’ve Gained Weight

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

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I thought a year ago my husband had confided in me that he was no longer sexually attracted because I had gained a significant amount of weight. I had been suffering with depression, anxiety, and was put on antidepressants. Oh, yikes. What's going on? This is John with Dr. John DeLona's show. Man, I am a ball of chaos this morning, man. I am running late all over the place. I tried to do 714 things this morning. Kelly, you look beautiful.

I thank you, first of all, and I know you're saying that because you were late this morning. Listen. But I appreciate it, nonetheless. And we have Andrew number three on the YouTubes today. Do you want to tell them what you did last time you were in that chair?

No. If that's where we're going, I'll tell you. Do you want to tell them what you did last time you were in that chair? No. If that's where we're going, then you have to tell every time you mess something up. Let's go to Atlanta and talk to Lynn. Hey, Lynn, what's going on, man? Hey, how's it going? I'm good. What's up in your world?

Quite a bit, actually. Oh, man. We'll jump on in. What's up? Yeah, about a year ago, my husband had confided in me that he was no longer sexually attracted because I had gained a significant amount of weight. Okay. because I had gained a significant amount of weight. So I am really looking for guidance on how I can kind of get through that.

It's been a rocky year since that conversation. Well, tell me more about it. I know that's really hard to hear and if that's a loving direct, like I just want to be honest and not hold secrets back, that can be a really hard, hard conversation. But I want to honor both his honesty with you and y'all's ability to sit at a table and have this hard conversation. If he just threw a grenade at you and was ugly about it, then that's a whole different

conversation. But what led up to that conversation? and then tell me about the last year? Well, I had been suffering with some depression, anxiety. So I sought out some help and was put on antidepressants. Oh, yikes. Okay. And that had started the weight gain. So before then I'd typically been pretty good shape,

very active and whatnot. But we both kind of noticed like, hey, the weight gain is like coming on a little bit quicker and as active as I am, I can't get it off. Did the meds kill your libido too? A little bit, yeah. But so shortly like after that, I was seeking more counseling and whatnot.

Finally got to a place where I'm like, I really need to love myself for who I am, for how I am at this time in my life. It's a season, we'll get through it, blah, blah, blah. So I come home one day and I'm like, sit down with him. I'm like, you know what? I really need to love myself for who I am. It's not about how much I look, what I look like,

or what size I am. Like this, we will get over it. And he just looked at me and said, I'm sorry, but I can't, like, this is not attractive to me. And so take me back to that moment when you had that conversation. Here's what it sounds like. It sounds like a collision of both people, however hard or messy it is, both people sitting

down there telling the truth. Yeah. And that's, it was devastating to hear. What was, was it devastating about him putting on the table, hey, things have changed physically between us, or was it devastating that you said, hey, I'm struggling, I'm gonna be in a season and I want you by my side, and he said, nah, I'm not doing that.

A little bit of both, but it almost felt like, had you been lying to me up until this point, like are you just faking it? And that's where I can't get over. Okay, so take me back to the last year. A lot of distance. We did have conversations and exactly like what you said, he was like, you know, it's really hard for me to say this to you,

but I need to be honest. And, you know, we need to have those hard conversations as much as you don't want to hear those. But I just feel like maybe there could have been a different approach. And it was just, it felt really like a punch in the gut when it was, hey, you know what? I just came back from this counseling session.

I feel good about where I'm at. And he's like, yeah, no, sorry. Have you, have you honored him with that same level of honesty you just gave me? Yes. Okay. Because here's the deal. It's been, it were a year past and I'm more interested in deciding and listening and hearing about

where you are right now, y'all too, and the plans you and he have for moving forward. Because what's been said has been said and going back to that punch in the gut moment, going back and going back going back It's just you're on a treadmill. You're on a loop. Yeah, and that's pretty much then it's I We just try and avoid having the conversation. Okay one

Part of the conversation we have is like hey look, I know how much it hurts you for me for you to hear me say these things. But I can't change the way he's feeling either. So it is, you know, hey, we're all great until we have to have that conversation. Yeah. But you're not all great because conflict deferred is conflict amplified. This is building inside of you like a, like a, like a demon. Deferred is conflict amplified. This is building inside of you like a like a like a demon and I Again, I wasn't at the table and I know this can be hard to hear on either side

I know there's men listening this going home. Oh my gosh He said it and I know there's women listening to this conversation going I can't believe he said it and It's not just men and women in this conversation because I've taken equally amount if not more of the the roles being reversed here right the the challenge here is somebody has to break break the dance right because he's got a demon grown in him which is I tried to tell the truth I was trying to be encouraging and I promise you, I promise you, his focus on you've gained weight so I'm not sexually attracted to you is bigger than a number on a scale. I promise you. I'd be willing to bet money.

He feels like he's lost his wife and he is looking in his toolkit on how to reconnect with her. And most men most of the time only have one path towards connection and that's sex. So he keeps and most men that is their that's their I was gonna say dipstick that for like that's their dipstick. That's the way they that's the way they they check the engine to see how things are going in their relationship. So he keeps opening his his toolkit and there's just that one that one hammer in there. That's it

And so I promise you it's more than the numbers on a scale But at the same time and so he's like sitting around I'm trying to be honest I'm trying to tell you I miss you. I don't know where you've been I don't know what's up and then at the same and then you're on the other side of this thing Right. See what I'm saying. And so somebody, you've heard me say this, this is exactly what I mean. Somebody has to turn the lights on and turn the music off because you are, y'all are pretending

that everything's okay. And underneath this, you are wounded by what he said, you're heartbroken that he wasn't right or die with you when you needed him the most. And he is desperately missing his wife. Or maybe he's just a terrible person, but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here. What do you think?

You think he's a scumbag? Is he a bad dude? I've been married for 25 years. You tell me, you know him way more than I do. Yeah, no, he's, you know, he's a great guy, but like I said, this is just, it just, I just can't seem to pass it. Okay.

So what's your next move? I don't know. So what's your next move? I don't know. Are you stuck in the depression loop? Are you stuck in not liking who you see when you look in the mirror? Are you stuck not loving your husband? Like where are you locked in? I wasn't, I didn't think I was stuck in that depression loop.

But now I don't know. Yeah. Because it feels like him sitting down at the table and being honest with you. It feels like that year ago conversation is as fresh right now as it was back then. Yep. Okay. I'm going to tell you every, like the most important thing is to head right in the middle of that hurt and to stop going around it. Have you told him that he broke your heart?

Oh, yeah. Okay. Have you told him thank you for being honest with me? Yeah. Okay. There isn't or wasn't much that we would not say to you. You know, we're very honest with each other, regardless of how hard that truth is. I just never expected to feel what I did hearing it. And feelings, we talk about this often here,

like feelings are, they're information, they're data. And they're designed to keep you safe. They were never designed to be an arbiter of truth. So my bigger question is with a couple who has dedicated themselves to radical honesty, we're gonna tell each other the truth, we're never gonna be able to not talk about something. My bigger concern is... A, I want to compliment you guys on that. I'm working on an event right now and last night up to 1 a.m. I was working on a part of the event which was about couples don't tell each other the truth. They just don't because they're scared of reality.

You're here in reality. The path out of reality always takes two steps. Number one, you got to grieve it and you haven't done that. You're still stuck in the moment. Right. And I can't tell you what you need to grieve, but I want you to be honest with yourself. Are you grieving the fact that you know you've put on a lot of weight, you know you've been struggling with depression and that it got called out. Are you grieving?

I can't figure out what you're upset with your husband about because you're saying, yeah, I have gained a lot of weight. Yes, I don't know what you want him to say or do or that you wished had been different. Like if he had said, if you had sat down and said, I'm going to be me for a season. I'm going through a rough period. I've gained a lot of weight. I'm taking these meds to be me for a season. I'm going through a rough period. I've gained a lot of weight. I'm taking these meds. This is just a season.

And like, what would you have wanted him to say in that moment? I'm not sure. But I know like weight has never been something that has attracted me to him or not. I've never looked at weight and said, oh, that you're attractive or you're not attractive. It's so much more than a number on a scale. Is it the same for him? That's, you know, I thought it was until we had that conversation. And you think it just, it is just, it is just just About an aesthetic he only loves you as far as he is. He's attracted to seeing you

You shouldn't say that he only loves me that way I think that's where like that hurt came in is like you're only Physically attracted to me if I'm this size Gotcha. Maybe that's the case most Most of the- That's never been like, I think through our whole relationship, I've never looked at him and we've both gone up and down- Sure, of course. In weight. I mean, we were teenagers when we met, so things, life happens, whatnot. And I've never looked at him and said, I'm not attracted to you because you're too skinny or you're over a little overweight whatever what I'm what I'm interested in in is again I want to circle back he's not on the

phone so I can't up or down what he's saying my guess is when you sit down and said hey you've missed me for a long time. I've been wrestling with this stuff. I've been meeting with my doctors, been meeting with my counselors. I'm taking my medications. I'm going to make peace with this season and it's going to be a while longer. I may be out to lunch and people are going to light me up

on the internet and that's fine. I'm willing to bet after a quarter century, him saying, well, I'm just not attracted to you because of the weight gain, was a awful, terrible way of saying, I've missed my wife for the last two years, and I can't miss you for another year. Right.

That's my guess as to what he was trying to get across to you. And he did a terrible job of making you feel comforted and safe in that moment. Right. But, look, so here's the thing. You need to either grieve that you have it you've been with a terrible person for a quarter century. That he's a man who will only walk alongside you if you look right if you're a trophy for him right, and if that's the case, I hate that for you I Hate that because you're worth more than that or What I hear you saying and maybe again I could be out to lunch here what you need to grieve is

I could be out to lunch here. What you need to grieve is that bonehead said the stupidest worst way of saying, I love you and I miss my wife and I don't know what to do. He just did a terrible job of telling you that. One of those I'm going to grieve and I've got some hard conversations to have with me and my counselor and some girlfriends that I trust and A local minister if I go to church like I gotta have some hard conversations about the trajectory of my marriage Yeah, the other is I need to sit down and say Next time I come to you in pain if you bring up my pant size

pain if you bring up my pant size I'm gonna bop you upside like right it's about grieving what was and then now I'm gonna set that brick down because I know I got a guy who loves me he just always says the dumb wrong thing and then I'm gonna be about healing yeah but you have to like you're sitting in the reality. He said it, you felt it, but it's been a year and it's trapped you. And either way, I want you to decide to set down what he said. Because it's keeping you from the next right move, which is what is the next right move for you? Have you talked to your doctor about weight gain? Have you talked to your doctor about weight gain?

Have you talked to your doctor about, hey, we've been on these same meds for two or three or four years and they're not working anymore? I keep having to up my dose. Are you exercising? Are you taking care? Are you sleeping okay? Like talk to me about those things that actually change your physiology. I mean, that's the thing. It's, you know, we've kind of leveled out on the weight gain. which is great. I mean, I work out every day. Eat healthy, I'm very active. So it's just frustrating to see that there's effort and not results. Yeah. And maybe that's what you're grieving too. Yes, he said something, but I want to, like,

but you're frustrated. You're frustrated. Have you talked to your doctor about that? Yeah. Okay. And they just say sorry, shake it off? No, I mean, we're working on a plan, you know, but it's just right now I still need to be on that medication.

Okay. Well, I'm proud of you for staying on it during the season. Good for you. And is your husband avoiding you? No. Okay. Do you still catch him side eyeing you and being all oogly? Uh, you know, um, not so much. Okay. Do you still catch them side eyeing you and being all oogly?

You know, not so much. I think y'all are worth sitting down and having that rebuild conversation. Right. Like you said this thing during a moment of weakness and it hurt me. I've told you that I'm not going to keep beating you up over it. But I've also chosen to hang on to it for a year. Am I carrying that anymore? I'm working too hard. Yeah. Do you miss sleeping with him? I do. Okay. Have you told him that? I have. Okay. And he just looks at you and goes, I don't care.

You know, not in so many words, but yeah. Then you all need to go sit down with the marriage counselor and have that conversation because there's something deeper going on there. Every single couple on the planet fluctuates up and down. Every single couple on the planet has, you know, for better or worse, sickness and health. That's life. That's marriage. Yeah. or worse, sickness and health, that's life, that's marriage.

It's been my experience and I know the YouTube comments are going to blow it up. It's been my experience that it's not the norm for somebody to have a caliper on the person they love. You know, right? Right. And usually weight gain just suddenly over or over time has other things attached to it. And I know that when I am 10 pounds up right now than what I would like to be walking around. I know that I struggle with confidence. I spend more time ducking. I spend more time shutting the door real fast. I spend more time with a shirt on, right? So I end up

doing these little bitty, what I would call micro behaviors to hide myself that has a downstream impact on how I'm seen. You get what I'm saying? It's the rare person that just says, oh, you went to 6% body fat, I'm out. It's just a rare person. It almost always is a context and I want you and him and it sounds like you all have had that conversation. I want you all to get with a marriage counselor

and have that deeper conversation. Because again, maybe he is a scumbag. I might hear that in your voice. I'm hearing that you're tired and you're frustrated and man, he said some stupid things. And he doesn't have to show up. And let's get to the bottom of that one. If he wants to call me, dude, I'd love to talk to him. But there's something underneath what's going on.

And I think you all have exhausted your ability to have that conversation together. I want you to go sit with a marriage counselor and have that conversation. I am proud of you, Lin, for staying in the fight. Stay on the plan with your doctor. Stay on the plan. Stay on the plan. Stay on the plan. Maybe he'll find interest in getting some new skills and learning some new things so that he can navigate the roadmap back to back to you Thanks for the call sister. We'll be right back Yo, I saw a headline the other day that made me want to set both of my ears and my nose on fire

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All right, we're back. Let's go out to Philadelphia where Rachel was born and raised and talk to Rachel. What's up, Rachel? How we doing? Hi, John. Thanks for taking my call. Of course. What's up?

Well, I'm really nervous. I just want to say I'm really excited to be talking to you. I'm excited to be talking to you. Yeah, I mean, out of everyone on like the Ramsey network, like I wanted to talk to you in particular because we just, I just really like your show. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. What's up? Well, I am just ready to pack up my bags and move away. So there's a lot of things that have been going on in my life in the past few years and I've just been trying to figure it out.

I really need an outside opinion. All right, jump in. Cannonball all the way in. Just cannonball. What's been going on? So, a few years ago, honestly, it's right when COVID started happening because that's when things kind of started to spiral out of control. I was in my first year of college. I was just figuring everything out. I dropped out of college right at the beginning, or not in the beginning. I sort of toward sort of toward the middle of my second semester of college, dropped

out. Everyone else seemed to stay in college and just work through it, but I just couldn't do it. COVID was just a little bit too hard for me. I didn't have the strength to. It's all good, keep going, keep going, keep going. So you dropped out of college. I worked a part-time job for a year.

I realized I was a loser. I went back to finish online school, um, accelerated so I could graduate it on time. Um, and that time I got a boyfriend who lived in Kentucky. Um, and we moved to Florida together, um, in October of 2021. And I worked at Disney world. I finished school. So now we're back here in good old Pennsylvania.

And now I just seem to not know what I'm doing. I, you know, I have this boyfriend. I live in this apartment. I make a salary. I lost all my friends and I seem to just hate this area now and I want to go away. I don't think that's true. Yeah.

Yeah. I just, I really have so much like tied to this area of things that have happened here and I've not really loved like the people The people the people are just router up north honestly After living in Florida and like visiting Kentucky a bunch of times I'm just like y'all are so much nicer down in the south. Yeah, but it's cuz everybody's carrying guns so you kind of have to be but But here's the thing um

You're right. There's geographical differences and everybody's different. I've got friends who love the brashness and the just say it of Pennsylvania, New York and i've got people who love the Oh Well, isn't that sweet of, you know, East Tennessee. Like, everybody's all over the place. That's all good.

You don't like you. Why? I don't know. I, I see people. Hold on. Stop. Stop, stop, stop. Who cares about other people?

I don't care about other people. I don't care about social media. I don't care what you're seeing But you develop this story about yourself Why Because I haven't figured it out yet, I have an ether my god, I'm in my mid 40s and I'm a youtuber now, I don't know You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I do.

Where's the story coming from? I've tried figuring out so many times. You know, I look at myself in the mirror. I look at myself physically and as a person, and I look at the things that have happened around me in my life, and I look at what I feel is right and what I feel is wrong. I feel very alone and I've had a lot of people leave me in my life, and I don't know why. I'm going to tell you right now why.

Because they had stuff going on with them people who are important to you left you because they had stuff going on with them exhale into that because moms and dads aren't supposed to leave their kids and brothers and sisters aren't supposed to leave their siblings and ride or die friends. Yes, you grow up and yes, you grow apart and all that kind of stuff. But if somebody just walks away with you who is supposed to stay, there's probably something going on in their life. Yeah, I mean like I feel very confident in my boyfriend. That's like the only

one person I feel confident in. Here's the weird thing, I don't care about him. I care about you feeling confident in you. Yeah. How old are you? I'm 23. Yeah. This is the sucky season when your friends from high school and a couple of friends from college, when they go get oogie relationships or they get that job across the country or you find out like Oh You like you think that's cool. You're a wine bar person. Oh geez or like oh you golf a lot right or like you got four cats like you just find out about people and

23 you just start changing relationships and it's a bummer. It's heartbreaking start changing relationships and it's a bummer. It's heartbreaking. That I'm most interested in why you have looked at the change in your life. Why you looked at your response to a global shutdown. You're not a loser for dropping out of college. You know how I know? Because millions of people took a break, they moved, they changed careers. They said not right now. Yeah. But like, when life drops a brick in your arms, you just keep taking that brick instead of carrying it for a bit.

Pandemics are hard, dropping out of college is hard, having a plan is hard, moving across the country is hard, moving back to your hometown is even more hard, dropping out of college is hard, having a plan is hard, moving across the country is hard, moving back to your hometown is even more hard, right? All those things are hard, but you're choosing to take those bricks and put them in a backpack and collect them and keep them as though it's a reflection of you. Right.

What do you want to do? No, let me, you know what? I'm going to rephrase that question. It's too loaded. Who do you want to be, Rachel? Paint me a picture of who you want to be. I eventually want to be a person who can just have a sense of peace and serenity. Okay, Matt, be very specific about what that looks like because if you chase a feeling, you're going to end up on opiates.

That's how you're going to get your sense of serenity. Because you think making a million dollars, you think a loving relationship, you think a home, you think these things out there are going to feel a certain way and they never do. And that's the big lie. What we want is peace from the inside out so that wherever you end up, you're whole there. And I know people who are teachers who drive Corollas who have a three bedroom, two bath

house and they are happy as a lark because that's the life they chose. I know people who earn a million dollars a year and they can't breathe because they hate themselves. They're running and running and running and running. Yeah, I'm just tired of always like you kind of said, hating myself. Yeah. And I'm tired of it. And I wanna work on that feeling.

And- Here's the thing, here's the path out of that feeling is reality, truth. And so if your body said, I gotta get out of going to college right now That was true Mm-hmm, and if you jokingly like oh such a loser. I dropped out of school You can joke fine, but the stories you tell yourself become your body's reality

Yeah, and so what's the next right move like paint me a picture of you at 28 years old Yeah. And so what's the next right move? Like paint me a picture of you at 28 years old. Where are you living? Like where specifically? As specific as you possibly can. 28 years old, five years from now, where are you living? Just from your gut.

Don't stop being so rational. Just throw it out there. Where are you living? Probably in the middle of Colorado. Okay, you're in Colorado. Are you in a house, a condo, or in a van? I'm in a house. Okay, how big is your house?

Like max three bedrooms. Awesome. So in the middle of Colorado, a three bedrooms. Awesome. So in the middle of Colorado, a three bedroom house is about $8 million. I'm just making it up. Okay, but look, are you with this guy or not? 100%. Has he finally gotten around to marrying you? No.

Well, that's dumb. But, okay. Well, we talked about it. You should. You lived multiple talked about it. Well, you should. You know. You live in multiple states this time. Okay, do you have any kids? No.

Okay, here's the deal. What are you doing for a living? What's your job? That's another thing right now. I work at an ice cream shop. Okay, but you keep taking part-time jobs and ice cream shop jobs and then you beat yourself up for taking those jobs. Either make peace with that, you love it, or take steps towards another thing. Yeah, this is that's another part of the

problem. Like I'm stuck, I'm working there full time and I make it, they actually just gave me a decent raise. What's a decent raise? So now I make 66 a year. Okay. Which was up from 55. You make $66,000 a year at an ice cream shop? Yeah.

Bro, half my team is about to leave. Half my team is just. Yeah. Okay. So here's the deal. Here's the thing. The great Irvin Yalem, he's the father of existential psychology, him and Rolo May. So he always said this and I love what he said because it's been a gift to me, this one sentence. Everything is data. So you make $66,000 managing an ice cream shop in Philadelphia, okay? Yeah. Everything's data.

Here's what that means. That's a pretty good living for that job, right? Yeah. If you hate it, it's not a reflection of you. It's not because you're an ingrate and oh my gosh, I'm the worst. It's data. I loved working at Burger King when I was a teenager. I loved it.

I just did. I liked all the chaos, the laughter, the shenanigans, the guys like smoking weed in the parking lot. I just loved it all. I loved all of it. Okay? And I also love being a dean of students. I also love being a professor. I loved all of it. Okay? Yeah. And I also love being a Dean of Students. I also love being a professor. I love being a YouTuber. You know what I found out about myself? Everything's data. I kind of just like most of my jobs. Hmm.

There's a couple though that I hated. I like to be in a delivery boy at a print shop. I just I like meeting people. So okay, so if you don't love this, great. Cool. That's another reason I feel like I need to get out because I feel like there's no more opportunity left here for me. No, you're trying to escape your own skin. Because you're going to move to Colorado and you're going to find it a scary thing. You went with you. Because you're going to move to Colorado and you're going to find it a scary thing. You went with you. If you pack up and move across the country, you're going to go with you. Yeah. I did it.

I left the desert of West Texas and I came to the oasis that is middle Tennessee. It rains every day. There's trees. And dude, it was a reckoning because I told myself that it was about trees and water and topography and weather. And it was me. Yeah. I had to deal with me because I moved with me to Middle Tennessee. I was the guy married to my wife in a marriage that was hanging on by a piece of dental

floss. But I wasn't ruined and I wasn't a bad a person of bad character. I was a person who's really struggling man. Mm-hmm. You get what I'm saying you don't yell at a young kid who gets a headache they're hurting let's deal with a headache Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out The cause of the headache You know yeah, but while you're figuring out the cause of the headache do the next right thing. What brings you joy Rachel? headache do the next right thing what brings you joy Rachel? That I also don't really know. Okay if you don't want to figure it out if you don't have a few things that bring you joy right off the top of your head I want you to go sit down with a counselor today. Will you make that call today? Yes.

Because here's what that tells me. It tells me that you have a pair of glasses on, on how you're viewing the world. And unfortunately, those glasses have gotten dirty. Or the glasses have needed a different prescription. And it's coloring how you see the world. I felt like I used to, but it just like is going away, especially as I get older. That's it.

Will you go talk to somebody? It could be any number of things. It could be your body trying to get your attention. It could be hormones. It could be levels in neurochemistry. It could be all kinds of things. But here's only- I'm so emotional. I know. I think you're probably telling me the truth and you probably haven't done that in a while. Not because you're lying but because you

don't think you're even worth having this hard conversation with. You think you should just be grateful for everything and I should just be and I should just be and all these shoulds are burying you. Can I tell you what I see? Sure. Do you trust me not to lie to you? No, you don't know me. You can tell me the truth.

Here's what I see from the outside. I see a young woman who's like really good at smiling when somebody comes into the ice cream shop. And I mean that both literally and figuratively. You're good at smiling and putting on a brave face for people and growing up is hard for you, true or false? Yeah. Yeah. And you set out to prove people wrong and a global pandemic like enveloped us all and your body said, nah, I'm not doing that. And you thought it was because you're a bad person, but your body's been through enough

over the first 18, 19 years of your life. And then you did a brave thing. You met some dumb boy and you moved across the country and then y'all moved again. And you finally are allowing yourself to believe you're worth being loved. And it feels like an electric fence because it feels so right and it burns

because you're scared to death. That doesn't mean you're broken. That means your body's like, whoa, we know what love feels like, it hurts. And you're like, I know, but I trust this guy. And then you got another job and another job and you got another job. And then the owner of this ice cream shop says, I trust you with everything I have. And so here's what all this meta story tells me you're real real tough And you're not scared of taking risks And you're good at running a small business because the owner trusts you and

You're great with strangers. Like you have so many skills. Like you see what I'm saying. I'm looking at this very rich 23 year old Yeah Not rich financially like let's be honest this very rich 23 year old. Not rich financially, like let's be honest, but rich personally. And the person who doesn't see it, even your knuckleheaded Kentucky boyfriend sees it. You don't see it. And that's okay. But I want you to go sit down with somebody where you can be honest about what happened to you when you were a kid. And you can let nine-year-old you and 14-year-old you stop fighting.

And 23-year-old you can finally exhale. And that's just wiping those glasses clean or getting a whole new set of glasses so you can see the world for as beautiful as it is despite the ugliness that's happened to you. And then you can decide where do do I wanna go make my life? Mm-hmm. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. And that my sister- You're 100% right.

Listen, that my sister is peace. And so here's the homework assignment. You have two. Number one, you're gonna call a counselor in your local area before the day's over. You're gonna call a counselor before the day's over and say, I'm ready to get well. And I got some hard stuff I gotta say out loud.

The second thing is I want you to write a love letter to 28-year-old you five years from now and tell her about the work you're about to start doing. You're gonna stop carrying family secrets and you're gonna stop carrying tragedy that happened to you and burying it. And you are going to write 28 year old you a love letter about who you are starting to become today. So that in five years, that woman in Colorado will walk outside in one of the most beautiful

places on planet earth and laugh in the snow, laugh in the heat, laugh on your hike. I don't know what you're doing there. But you're loving your life. You're writing a love letter. And then you're gonna, tonight over dinner, you're gonna tell that no-collected boy it's time to marry you, because you're worth being married to.

I'm super grateful for the call, Rachel. I can't wait to see who you become. And if you want to be a gangster, write that letter to you, send it into Kelly, and I'll read it because I think that letter would help millions of people stuck right where you're stuck. We're all with you, Rachel. And I cannot wait to see what amazing movie you make next. We'll be right back.

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What's up, man? Man, I've got a good one for you. All right. After like nine years of some pretty intense therapy work, I'm finally ready to deal with something that's been on my plate for a while. Let's go. Along the way. All right.

My question that I wrote in with was, should I let my father back into my life after he left about 10 years ago? And the story in a few sentences as I can muster it is, um, he has, he has bipolar one. He's always been kind of someone that's been really like it talking to him is a little like trying to hold on to water with my bare hands. He's always been kind of someone that's been really like it. Talking to him is a little like trying to hold on to water with my bare hands. He's always slipping through my fingers. And, um, the week after my high school graduation, he told me he was moving. And I thought that was just another one of his plans.

Um, but he was serious and he left with just a suitcase, just nothing, um, to another country where I had no contact with them and the the craziest thing, two years ago I was driving to work and I saw him waiting at a bus stop in my neighborhood. Coincidence of coincidences. And he's been sending me lots of texts, lots of calls for the past two years, just trying to reconnect. And I don't know what I want to do.

I have no idea what I want to do. What's your gut tell you, man? My gut tells me that I do not have, I did not expect to get emotional. My gut tells me that there's a lot of chaos behind that door of letting them back in. I know that we're not going to dust off our catcher's mitts, play catch in the field, you know, but there's a lot of chaos there, but he's my dad and I love them. Even if he hasn't exactly deserved it, but I'm, I'm half him and there's a lot just in adult life that I've had to navigate

totally, totally without that guidance. And I don't know if he's capable of giving it to me that way. Um, I don't know. Okay. Can I, can I tell you what I just heard? Yeah. I'm going to do something I don't normally do, but I'm getting choked up. Um, can I just be honest with you? Please, please, please. If this goes sideways, I just need you to remember. I'm just some moron youtuber on a podcast Okay Yeah, yeah, yeah What you just walked me through?

Dude I'm getting all choked up hold on a second Both of us man we can both share that um I think you're ready to have your dad back in your life and here's why here's why you're not expecting this thing to heal you you had to figure that out on your own for 10 years yeah you're not expecting him to be somebody he's not he's a man with a brain disorder he's not. He's a man with a brain disorder. He's sick. He always has been. And I feel like today is the show is kind of theme and it's me defending people that I think it's easy on the internet to demonize. But as you told me his story, I wonder if he woke up

every day going to war with himself in order to get you through high school. And he thought the greatest gift he could give you finally as you became an adult was to get out of your life and get out of your way. And I know that sounds nuts and it sounds like I'm letting him off the hook, but I wonder if through his BP1 and his struggles,

he said, I swear to myself, I'm not gonna hold my boy back. And he left you as an act of compassion however misguided and crazy that is He thought the greatest gift he could give you is to disappear Yeah, and it's just one of those things where it's like I actually think that you're spot-on But it's just kind of like talking to talking to 18 year old me because I didn't want that gift. No, you didn't. No, you didn't, man.

I had a chance to meet my one of my songwriting heroes. His name is Frank Turner recently, and he has a new record out. But on the record, he has a song written to his 15 year old self. And it's a song of basically, I'm declaring a truce. I'm tired of fighting my 15 year old self. And I think you've been at war with your 18 year old self for a long time about how you're supposed to feel versus reality, how you wish things have been versus like how they are and dude you have been coffee once a month or once a week with your dad doesn't mean you give him any money.

It doesn't mean you become responsible for him. It doesn't mean he's not going to hurt you again because he will. He struggles. He's sick. But it also doesn't mean that your 18 year old self, your 22 year old self had to go through hell figuring stuff out that young men are supposed to be able to call and ask their dads about. All that's true.

Yeah. I think that's kind of actually part of some of the hang-up and some of the stuff that I wonder about because I I do have a lot of things That I would love to express Some frustration so I'm like hey this this happened and it really had an effect on me. There will be no resolution there brother. Yeah I don't think he has it in him to hear me. No, you'll bury him but more than that it won't be it the the Fantasy this catharsis you believe it won't be... the fantasy, this catharsis, you believe, it's not real. I have never met the person who exploded on that person who hurt them and actually had

it feel better. I haven't met that person. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think it's just kind of complicated, but I think you're totally right. I don't know. God, it's anything if not complicated. Like that's bare minimum. Even Avril Lavigne asked, why'd you have to go make things so complicated? Like we're there, right? Like, complicated is the least. This is as complex as it gets. And you, brother, you nailed it. He's half you. Yeah. This is as complex as it gets and you brother you nailed it. He's half you Yeah, and so there's a strange thing about making peace with our dads

And it's not um, it's not an excuse it's not excusing things that happen it's not um pretending they didn't happen It's it's a daily I'll even call it a spiritual practice Of saying i'm not carrying those things anymore It's a daily, I'll even call it a spiritual practice of saying I'm not carrying those things anymore. Yeah, that's good, that's real good. I think it was kind of just this moment where all the lights in the dashboard came on when I saw him and he came back.

Bro, I can't even, that's like a movie. I can't even wrap my head around that. It was a lot easier to heal when I didn't think he was ever coming back. Yeah. There was no chat at a conversation ever again and it was just like, okay, this is my life now. Awesome, gonna move on to the next thing and the next thing and I found a piece in all of that and a really hard fought for piece and all that. and I found a piece in all of that and a really hard fought for piece and all that. Then I built a life that I love being in,

which sounds crazy to say for all of YouTube to hear, but like I love it. I have a great group of friends and awesome church and it's like I saw him and it was like I was a little kid again. Yeah. And that's one of the weird things is our bodies go back to the last time we were hurt.

Like you see him at a bus stop, you are nine again. Yeah. And he's on a manic or he hasn't gotten out of bed in four weeks. And you're getting yourself ready for school and you've got a sibling, you're getting ready for school because that's what you had to do and your body goes right back there and part of the healing is catching your body when it

tries to protect you and go no no no no we weren't safe then but we're safe now and I literally put my hand in my chest that's how I that's how I manage it I wish I had a different way but I'll just do that and now I can do it pretty quick I just touch my chest, but it's a reminder to me. I'm okay right now I've built a good life And what now that I've built a good life now that you've got a good life and you just said the things that are important You've got fit you got family. I mean in the form of great friends. You're anchored in you have a faith community which I think is highly undervalued in a healing journey and you're anchored in.

And now you're safe to say on my terms now, dad, how's it been? How are you? And I want you to pre have these conversations. I don't do money. I don't do this. I will pick up the tab for breakfast. Maybe he's safe to let you know where he lives. Maybe I mean where you live, maybe not. Like you decide those boundaries. You decide those hard things. But yeah, I'll tell people don't reach out when they are expecting

something to be resolved through the reach out, some sort of imagined reconciliation, some sort of imagined tas of imagined reconciliation, some sort of imagined taster's choice moment, some sort of running through the cornfield or hey dad, do you wanna have a catch moment? That won't come. But it sounds like you've made peace with that. And now you can shake hands with the man in front of a Home Depot and just say, it's good to see you.

And I'm not carrying ill will towards you anymore. I truly hope you have a great life. And I'm interested in being in relationship with you for what it will be, which may be a cup of coffee, which may be a daily practice for me to remind myself how fortunate I am to thank you for however misguided your attempts to love me were, they were your best shot because you were struggling. But I think this is how you change your family tree, brother. Because who knows what his childhood was like and who knows what his granddad's went through.

This is you turning to face the forest fire that is family trauma and you're going to get burned, you're going to get scars, and you have those things. But this is how you bring peace to great grandkids you may never meet. Proud of you, my brother. Proud of you. Hang on the line. I'm going to send you a copy of Building a Non-Anxious Life. I want you to read it. It's my gift. Um, and create that world so you can anchor fully in. Let's go have that cup of coffee.

We'll be right back. November can be bananas. And we have the normal November chaos with colder weather and there's family drama, Thanksgiving, and figuring out holiday plans. And with the recent election, well, no matter what you think about any of this mess, we all need an extra helping of peace.

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slash Deloney. All right, we're back. Kelly, something cool happened. What happened? at hallow.com slash deloney. All right, we're back. Kelly, something cool happened. What happened? Yes. So this email is from Rhoda. She says, Hey, Dr. John, I bought your book, own your past, change your future. And I've been listening to your podcast for a while and I really appreciate all the work you do. I just started teaching school recently. And before, sorry, before I started school I ordered the elementary questions for humans because I wanted to try them out on my students The students I'm tutoring mentioned that they are nervous about getting to know me and I thought that this would be a perfect opportunity

To see how well they work turns out they absolutely love doing them and they work amazing They asked me now to do questions each day. That's awesome Since then I've ordered the high school deck and they are super, super excited about it. Great conversation starters, great way to talk to kids. Thank you for all you do. Dude, that's awesome. Very cool. And all the questions for humans are out now.

They are in the wild, especially the intimacy one. I'm just saying, Kelly ordered six of those. Kind of weird, but whatever. Whatever. But yeah, hey, that's awesome. Kind of weird, but whatever. Whatever. But yeah, hey, that's awesome. What was her name again? Rhoda.

Rhoda. Forget the questions for humans part. Just, thanks for connecting with your students and the kids you tutor at like a heart level. Is when teachers connect with their students at the heart level, that they are then free to learn. And I wish we had that, not the other way, that we told students, when you learn,

then you can have access to me in a relational way. It works the other way. So that's amazing. I'm glad the Questions for Humans are helping out you and your students. Yeah, that's awesome. Kelly, we linked all the Questions for Humans in the show notes.

We'll do. That's awesome. Hey, love you guys, stay in school, don't do drugs. And Andrew, you made it through the whole show. That's amazing. See you guys soon.