The Dr. John Delony Show - My Husband Thinks Our Marriage Is Fine . . . I Don’t

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:05 Our marriage is great, honestly. It's healthy. It's strong. We set goals. But I need emotional connections to help safe. And so I feel like I need that a little bit more consistently. So let's take away the word need for a second. What do you want from your husband? Hey, what's going on? This is John with the Dr. John Deloney Show. Spent the last 20-plus years sitting with hurting people and the wheels have fallen off. I've got two PhDs. I spent my first. I spent my first time. I spent my son. I spent my son-dlooney show. spent the last 20 plus years sitting with hurting people and the wheels have fallen off. I got two PhDs. I spent my whole life studying and sitting with people who are trying to figure out what's the next right move to do in their life when it comes to tough things that have happened. Their mental, emotional health, their, gosh, their marriages, their dating relationships, their kids, whatever you got going on in your life. I'm a real guy taking real calls from real people who are struggling and trying to,
Starting point is 00:01:04 figure out what's the next right move. Let's go out to Phoenix, Arizona and talk to Nicole. Hey, Nicole, what's up, lady? Hi, hi, Dr. John Delaney. How are we doing? Awesome talking to you. You too. What's up?
Starting point is 00:01:18 So I guess I'll just get right into it. I'm a little nervous, so bear with me. No, you're good. So my question is, how do I communicate my desire to grow in my relationship and stay emotionally connected without it sounding like criticism? What does growth mean? I think it's more like intentionality in our marriage. Our marriage is great, honestly.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Like it's healthy, it's strong. We set goals. But I have come to know of myself just from past relationships that I need emotional connection to feel safe. And so I feel like I need that a little bit more consistently. So let's take away the word need for a second. Okay. And I want to use the word want. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I'm hearing a lot of the word need thrown around all. And I slip into it and use it too sometimes. But when we tell somebody, especially our spouse, that's inside of a great marriage, that y'all are working hard, you're doing things, y'all are being intentional, all that stuff. I need you to X, Y, and Z to make me feel a certain way. what we're doing is we're taking a cinder block out of our chest and we're handing it to them and saying you have to do this otherwise i drown and i think that that sets up sometimes a false reality so i wanted to use what is scarier more vulnerable language because because like let me take it say it this way if somebody on the street needed you one time i was
Starting point is 00:03:00 walking into um the college of education building at texas tech and then this woman had been, these two women were on a run and this woman was going into a diabetic coma. And she's like, she needs candy now. I didn't know them, but I got up and went to work, right? I went inside, got one of the vending machines, got a candy bar out and ran outside, right? We would do anything for somebody who needs something, even strangers. Scarier question. What do you want from your husband?
Starting point is 00:03:33 Gosh, that's a good question. That's probably a question I should have asked myself. I think like maybe just a moment where we connect on a daily basis. Keep going. Because I think you want more than a moment. Maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong. But most people want more than a moment.
Starting point is 00:04:07 I think, yeah, probably more than a moment. I think that we're just so busy in our lives, and everybody's busy. Nope. Now you're starting to feel the weight of want, and you're like, I mean, but it's okay. And everyone, like, just hold it with me, okay? Want is a scary thing. What do you want? I want to take time for just ourselves.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Okay. What else do you want? Or let me ask you this. What will more time for yourselves get you? I think the closeness that I'm wanting. Okay. Just the partnership that we have, but building that friendship. I mean, we have friendship, but a closer friendship.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I heard a little baby in the background. Do you have little ones? Yeah, I have three kids. Three kids. How old are they? Seven, five, and one. Holy smoke. So you're in it right now, right?
Starting point is 00:05:16 Oh, yeah. Okay. Take this husband off the table for a second. Tell me about the feeling that you're losing you. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't think I'd get emotional. No, you're good. You're good.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I think that oftentimes I just give and give and give. I work in health care, so that's kind of just my go-to. And sometimes, yeah, I just feel like I need time to be me or time to be us without having to give. You want somebody to take care of you like you take care of everybody else? Yeah, but I feel guilty for saying that because my husband already does so much. Now we're there. He's amazing. The American guilt factory for the young mom. You feel guilty for asking anything. Is that why you're in healthcare? Because you've been taking care of everybody your whole life? Yeah, pretty much. So the reason I'm asking these questions is I want to get to the bottom of it.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And I've said this on other shows, but growth is a word I hear. I just want to keep growing. I just want to keep growing. Unrestrained growth is cancer. Those are cells that won't stop dividing. So growing just to try to grow your way out of a problem is not always the solution. Growing towards a thing. I want to get in better shape.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I want to have more sex. I want to be the wild fun girl, wife, woman that I used to be. Those are all great. But just indefinitely growing is like running a marathon. And right when you get to mile 26, you move the finish line another 20 miles. And that's a recipe for burnout. Or it's a recipe for some doctor comes by and looks at you in the hospital and says, I think you're beautiful or your jokes are hilarious.
Starting point is 00:07:24 And you find yourself doing things that you would never do. Yeah, I think I, to me, growing or striving for something, has always been yeah I guess I just never sit and rest okay what does peace feel like calm lack of chaos yeah which is really hard to come by
Starting point is 00:07:58 with a seven five and a one year old there is no calm right right I love that I love hearing that it's one of my favorite noises in the whole world I love it I love it love it love it love it um just that babbling of a one year old I love it
Starting point is 00:08:18 So how do you end up communicating to your husband? Hey, I miss you. I miss us. Like how do I do it now or I don't? Okay. So what I hear a lot, and this might not be your house, and so push back on me is women live in a guilt factory. They don't do anything well enough.
Starting point is 00:08:48 And men live in a failure factory. They come home and they didn't do this right. They didn't do that right. and there's not a thing they can do to make their wife feel less guilty about any of the circumstances and it just gets in this big figure eight loop where you chase and you hide
Starting point is 00:09:10 and you chase and you hide and then things blow up like you always have your phone or you never do this and it just turns into everybody chasing and then they throw needs at each other well I need more sex well I need this and I need this and then the weight of that just gets real heavy
Starting point is 00:09:28 and so people just start dropping it instead of saying and this is hard, it's scary, because most of us have never done this. I want our house to feel like this when you get home, when I get home. How do we create that? And I want to be striving, but right now I have three little humans that I co-created. And so my striving is going to be for a good night's sleep for a season. My striving is going to be for 30 minutes of screens off. We're playing dominoes. We're talking about our day. We're making out again like we used to. We're sneaking away for a burger, even though that's not healthy and whatever. We're just going to do it. That sounds pretty accurate. Tell me if
Starting point is 00:10:26 I'm way out to lunch. No, you're right. I think that it definitely will turn in the moments of I hold in all that and explode with anger. I have a lot of rage inside. And it's not fair to him that I'm not expressing what I want. And it's coming out as that. Gotcha. And then you become somebody you don't want to be, and then you feel guilty about that. So then it starts the cycle over.
Starting point is 00:11:02 I'm going to hold it. I'm going to hold it. I'm going to hold it. I'm going to hold it. And then he gets home and plops down on the couch and turns the game on and grabs his phone. And then, and now we start over again. Yep.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Pretty accurate picture there. And so there's something powerful about clear. during the deck and saying, hey, we have a brand new marriage and I love you forever. How do we want this house to feel? And this is where it gets scary and not everybody's in on this. And I hate that for them, but they're not. And that is, I have to see you, that you're a person, I got to know you. What are you into these days?
Starting point is 00:11:44 I've got to celebrate you. I have to be the biggest cheerleader in the world and then we can start the challenging part. You've got to put your phone down, man. you have actual needs too by the way which is there's this many lunches that have to be made and this much food that has to be cooked and this much sleep I need because I'm still breastfeeding and being a full-time hospital employee and being a like all those things are true like there's actual things that have to get checked off a list but what does it look like to swipe to deck and say we have never been married with three kids let's build something awesome how can I
Starting point is 00:12:24 love you in this season and that's him getting to know you again and you saying here's how you can love me in this season. Sounds nice. Is it realistic or are you just like placating me and be like trying to make peace? No, no, it does sound realistic and absolutely like he's any time I've asked for anything, he's immediately on board. And I guess that's where the guilt comes into is he never asked for anything. everything's hunky door on his end so maybe maybe not but maybe some guys are complex some guys are pretty simple yeah and you asking him how can i love you in this season is giving him permission to put it on the table and say well this would be kind of awesome or he might look at you and say i
Starting point is 00:13:25 see how much you're doing you're doing so much like i have everything i want in this season and you have to make peace with that, that you're worth being loved even when you're not quote unquote striving for whatever. Yeah. So give me two or three things besides just a minute of connection. I just don't think that's enough. What would peace feel like in your house right now? I think it would be like, I don't know, like kind of like you're saying, like when either
Starting point is 00:14:06 one of us come home from work that there's some time where we just ask each other about our day. and, you know, connect together outside of the kids. So here's the thing we created in my house. It's called grown-up time when my kids were really young. And they knew that when I walked in the door, mom and dad went in the back bedroom and shut the door. And they got a message from early on that the most important thing in my life was my wife and vice versa.
Starting point is 00:14:44 And we would just call it grown-up time. And both kids would go, but they knew it. And sometimes there'd be a temper tantrum because they're five. They're supposed to throw temper tantrums. I'm not going to lose sleep over that. And you all can't do that fully
Starting point is 00:15:00 because you're going to be holding a one-year-old, right? You can't just drop a one-year-old off in the middle of the couch and be like, here's the remote kid. You can't do that, right? Right. But that's where chores can be helpful. That's where coloring time,
Starting point is 00:15:11 they can go do stuff and they learn to be bored and they learn to self-regulate. But in a weird way, that gives them the same. single most stable thing in the world, which is a mom and dad, they're on the same team. I like that. That's a great idea. But you're going to have to weather a storm. If you've got a seven-year-old and a five-year-old,
Starting point is 00:15:34 and they've never done that, they're going to push on it and see if it will hold. But all of this, don't do this piecemeal, though. Don't be like, hey, when you get home, we're going to start this new thing because it will last about four days. Okay. And you can leave the dishes on the sink. He can leave the dishes on the sink. There can be trash that's not taken out yet. But as a part of who do we want to be in this new marriage and this new season, every day you walk in the door or I walk in the door, I want to, everything goes down and we go in our bedroom, we shut the door.
Starting point is 00:16:10 We might have the one-year-old with us, that's fine. But I just want to hug for 30 seconds. And I want you to put your hands on my face and just put your forehead on my forehead and tell me that you love me. And sometimes 20 minutes of walking in the door and just being together and 20 more minutes of Mad Dash. Are the water bottles filled? Are the lunches for tomorrow made?
Starting point is 00:16:34 Is one thing in the laundry in the washing machine instead of doing five hours of laundry on the weekend? Can we just throw one in? If you have a washing machine and dryer in your house, like 20, you're talking 40 minutes, and the whole house is different. And then some nights, like last night, my wife said, hey, I just need to watch the office.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Come sit by me. Okay. I stopped that I was doing came down, it's downstairs and sat on the couch, we watched the office together. We laughed, it's fun, she went to bed, I went back to what I was doing. I guess what I'm going to tell you is this,
Starting point is 00:17:24 if y'all two decide we come first, that will give you infinitely more margin to take care of them. You just have to be honest about what does coming first, what do we want when we say that? And if you have a husband that loves you that shows up, that works hard for your family,
Starting point is 00:17:48 that's doing his part on on like the chores side of things right and your body starts to quote unquote feel unsafe be honest about what your body's saying to you because it may not be telling you the truth it may be but it may not be
Starting point is 00:18:03 you get what I'm saying there may be a season where you exhale and say no he loves me or there may be a season where it's like I need some girlfriends which means once a week husband you're on your own with all three of these wildcats I'm out of here right right hang on the line i'm going to hook you up with the together app and i want you and your
Starting point is 00:18:31 husband to log in and use it and it will it will learn you guys over time and it will give you all one or two tasks a day sometimes three tasks a day that y'all co-create together that will do a thing towards each other but i want y'all to go out this weekend if possible maybe not because it's short notice maybe next weekend clear the deck and say all right we've never been married with three kids before. Let's build a new marriage. How do you want this house to feel when we both walk in? What are the things we have to do? We got to pay bills. We got to make dinner. We got to get diapers out, blah, all that stuff. Kids got to get bathed. What are the things we have to do? How do we split this up? And then what does connection look like? And I'll say connection works best when for everybody when
Starting point is 00:19:14 somebody walks through the door and husband and our wife makes a beeline for their partner. And we stop. kids know. It's grown up time. Y'all get out. Y'all get out. Grown up time. And they'll fight you on it, but man, their nervous systems will rest. They'll rest. I love your word intentional. Let's try to use the word want instead of need. Let's go down that rabbit hole. Thanks for a call, sister. We come back. A woman asks how to set boundaries with family when it feels like self-abandonment. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. If you feel like you're the one holding everything together in everyone's life,
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Starting point is 00:23:02 Absolutely. It's good to have you. What's up? So I'll just, you know, I'll start on my question and, you know, I can provide, you know, whatever context you need. So my question is, how do you set boundaries around family and familial obligations when those obligations, you know, I can provide, you know, whatever context you need. So my question is, how do you set boundaries around family and familial obligations when those obligations? obligations feel like self-abandonment. That sounds like some internet gobbledy gook. What does that mean? It does. What does obligations and self-abandonment? How do those work together?
Starting point is 00:23:34 Well, you know, just I guess to provide a little bit of context of the situation, you know, I just moved back to my hometown two years ago. And, you know, with the holidays coming up and everything, and now that I'm here, you know, I'm expected to attend, you know, these family events. But, you know, just to be quite frank with you, you know, I don't really enjoy being around my extended family. And the reason for that is, you know, the way they talk about people, their behavior, you know, just to be, you know, put it out there. You know, they use slurs. They say things that are just, that make me very uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:24:13 And I'm just kind of expected to let them be. as they are and not cause anything because if I say something, I'm labeled the troublemaker. I'm too sensitive. I'm trying to start things. And, but, you know, attending these events, I just feel like not having to be around this behavior is not me being true to like my values and the things that I think are right. Okay. You use the word value. So I'm going to jump in here, okay? Sounds like you have two options. A, not go. or be willing to be labeled a troublemaker. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And I think any other energy you expend on anything other than those two options is a waste of energy. Right. You know, the conversation of me not going because obviously come up because I have, you know, I've said that. But see, then I get guilt trips. You know, the guilt gets weaponized by my family as if like. They don't get a vote. You don't, y'all have different values. I just, um...
Starting point is 00:25:34 You want to be fully you, and you want them to be different. You can only impact one of those, one side of that equation. And one of the things I think social media has lied to us about is that being fully you always, always comes at a cost. And the way social media is designed is it circles the wagons with a million different realities for slivers, niche, beliefs, operating systems, values,
Starting point is 00:26:16 and we think that we can be fully ourselves, comment on things, watch things, scroll things, get enraged by things, and it doesn't have a cost in social media world. Right. This is the real world where you have racist family members. you know i've
Starting point is 00:26:40 since i've been here the past couple years i've i've been to a few things and you know i haven't i've i've kept my mouth shut i've just walked away from the situation but that has made me feel like i'm not standing up for what i think is right and you know i don't want to cause some big blowout i don't want my you know i don't want there to be some big wrist
Starting point is 00:27:04 but you don't get a choice on that because they can blow up if they want to and they can rift with you if they want to. They're adults in America. They can make that choice. You can only control you. I guess the, I mean, I mean, you're absolutely right. I just, I mean, I don't want there to be a follow-up question, but it's just like,
Starting point is 00:27:34 I just, I don't want this to be something I have to argue every year. You know, every time there's something that comes up, it's going to be, so you're just not going to attend this year. So you're just, you know, how to continually deal with that, you know, if I stand firm on, you know, I'm not going to attend just because I don't want to be around these individuals, you know, it's just, I feel like every single time it's always going to be, then, you know, I've listened to your show plenty of times and you say, you know, people will do everything they can to try to break that boundary and see if it holds. And I want to it to because it's who I am.
Starting point is 00:28:14 You know, I want to stay true to who I am. But at the same time, it's like, I haven't even seen my family in so long. It would be nice if I could go and enjoy, you know, it. And it's like grieving. There it is. The family that I wish I had. That's it.
Starting point is 00:28:32 That's it. Grieve in the family I wish I had. There it is. Because you wish you had a family that loved other people. Well. And you wish you. had a family that they could even have their own beliefs, but that honored yours. Yeah, I'm not even asking them to, I mean, I wish it would change, but I'm not even asking
Starting point is 00:28:59 that. I just, I like, can you not use that language around me? Can you not speak like that when I'm around? And I get, it gets laughed. It gets, oh, you know, Jessica's too sensitive, or Marie's too sensitive. Um, you're too, you know, and I don't feel like I get the same respect that I'm being asked to do this. You don't. You don't. You don't. You don't. And I'll sit here with you because I wish you had a different family that honored you and other people to. Exhale on that. You're still holding your breath. Exhale on that. It stinks, man. It sucks. It's the worst. And so the question before you is, what are you going to do next? And you can't do life alone. and now you're going to find yourself
Starting point is 00:30:14 one of those statistics that doesn't go to family events because people are ugly and don't honor and respect you. I've got family members who believe dramatically different about things than I do
Starting point is 00:30:26 and some of them to their highest credit love me more than being right or feeling powerful and we hang out and others don't and so I don't go does that make me sad?
Starting point is 00:30:44 Of course it does. and then I have a weird responsibility knowing I can't do life by myself is I've got to get other people in my life to be around and it shouldn't be that way but it is. I want to love them where they are and I... You can, but that doesn't mean you have to put your hand back in the fire
Starting point is 00:31:15 every single year. Yeah. So I can love you. I can love you with all my heart and if you need something I'll be there but as for me and mind we're not going to be around this kind of garbage this kind of dehumanization, this kind of ugliness.
Starting point is 00:31:31 We're just not. And so I have the responsibility to not just sit at home on Christmas by myself. And so I'm going to go find some people to do it with. And I'll be sad. I might even cry the first time, the second time. I heard one guy, he's a pretty famous guy. I won't put him on blast here,
Starting point is 00:32:09 but we're behind closed doors. And he said, the only thing I hate worse than fighting is going to bed at night knowing you didn't tell the truth today. And that resonated with me. And I just have developed a personal belief that I only speak if someone can hear me
Starting point is 00:32:36 and if I've said hey I don't think this is appropriate I don't think this is kind I think this is ugly and I don't be around this kind of garbage talk and people are like then cool man I'm gonna brush my shoulders off and go on to the next
Starting point is 00:32:47 and I'm gonna be sad the whole way but being your full self always comes at a cost and if if your extended feeling was annoying I would probably tell you to get over it if they were whatever You know, just morons or goofballs or, you know, told jokes that you wish they didn't tell the dinner table. I would say it's your family.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Get over it. But these people violate your values. Yeah. They say horrible things about other people and then they blame you for having a conscience. They frame it that way too. Of course. And if they're, oh, that's just a joke or that's just how so and so is, just ignore him. And I'm like, I just, you know, like I said, like for me, ignoring that is me saying it's okay.
Starting point is 00:33:40 And that's just how I feel personally. Okay. And I don't even. Well, challenge yourself and see if your feelings are right. If there's two idiots and there's 50 people there, then I won't connect with the two idiots. Right. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:56 But if there's 48 other people that I love and care about and that believe differently than me, but they are kind and respectful, I'll show up. And when somebody walks up, I'll walk away. I'm not going to cash in my character, my dignity and respect of other people. But if there's 20 of them and there's 30 people at the event, yeah, I'm not going to go. I'll stay at home. It's that scary thing of like, you said it perfectly. I can't even approve on what you said.
Starting point is 00:34:28 I got to grieve the family I wish I had. And I wish people would have my back. Even if they disagree with me, I wish they'd have my back. but behavior is a language and what they're saying is I don't want you here you're to this or you're to that and so if you feel like
Starting point is 00:34:49 you are being a person who lacks integrity by being around these folks then the call is I got to find other people to be around if you feel like it's too much but you know what I'm challenging my feelings they're annoying but I'm gonna go and I'm still who I am
Starting point is 00:35:08 and in fact I'm gonna go there and love super well and over time that's going to change them. Maybe. Maybe. But I think you got to grieve the family that you thought you had. I want you to write a letter to the worst one. Do not send the letter. But I want you to write a letter to the worst one and get all of this garbage out of your body onto a piece of paper. Get it out. Dear so-and-so, I hate when you talk bad about other people. Makes me sick. Get it out of your body. look at it and then ask yourself, are these feelings true? And if so, I got some hard grieving to do and some hard work to do.
Starting point is 00:35:55 And if the feelings are a little bit heavy, but I'm going to go, and I'm just going to avoid these two, three people, I'll walk away. Then go, enjoy yourself. Have a good time. But just remember, the only person you can change is you. The only person you can control is you. And any energy spent trying to control or change other people is just futile. It's a waste of doing the next right thing.
Starting point is 00:36:24 I hate this, 40, Marie, but I trust you to make the next right move. We come back, a man asks if he should tell his Catholic father that he's agnostic. We'll be right back. All right, in this new year, one of the best gifts that I can give my family is showing up fully present. And that means I need to be calm, clear, and rested. And for me, showing up well starts with a good night's sleep. And that's why when I need a good night's sleep, and that's why, when I need a good night's sleep, I reach for Beam's dream powder. It's a science-backed powder that I mix with
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Starting point is 00:38:40 Hey, Dr. John. Thank you so much for taking my call. You got it, man. What's up? So I'll start my question. I'll tell my question. I'm a little nervous. Oh, you're good, but my question, thank you, is if I should tell
Starting point is 00:38:52 my Catholic father that I've agnostic, or if I should kind of occasionally, you know, go to mass with him, despite, you know, not necessarily feeling the most comfortable doing so. Hmm. Let's start with the comfort. Why don't you feel comfortable going? So I was diagnosed with OCD when I was younger, kind of like my early teens. and part of my, I guess, obsessions would be, you know, if I didn't perform a certain behavior, if I didn't do something that, if I didn't, you know, pray enough that, you know, I would be punished by God. And so there was kind of this, like, religious aspect to it in the way that, you know, my obsessions and compulsions kind of played out. So that's just kind of an area where I'm a little concerned about, you know, maybe reopening a wound. But you don't even believe it anymore, right? Correct, yeah. So is it okay if I give a little bit of background, just kind of about my family situation?
Starting point is 00:40:04 Yeah. Yeah, so I live with my parents as well as my wife. You know, we have a really good relationship. In terms of my, like, upbringing, it wasn't a super, you know, religious household, but we did go to Mass, you know, fairly often, you know, usually maybe once a month, something like that, but not every week. We would go on major holidays, things like that.
Starting point is 00:40:29 And I think now that I'm, you know, I'm an adult, they know I have kind of my own beliefs about certain things, but I also want to be respectful of them. You know, so. You live in their house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, my gut here is telling me, I don't know what you would have. accomplished by telling your dad.
Starting point is 00:40:58 I don't know what that would free you from. Yeah, I think the other difficult aspect is I love my dad. We have a good relationship, but we don't really have a lot of super, you know, emotional or, you know, we don't really talk about our feelings and things like that. So, you know, having those kind of tough conversations with him is something that I've always tried to avoid. I have those conversations more with my mom but my dad he struggles with a lot of guilt about not attending mass regularly
Starting point is 00:41:34 you know he it's something that you know he has also some unresolved like trauma and things like that so I know but what does that have to do with you yeah so for me I am I guess I'm just afraid of you know I
Starting point is 00:41:51 I don't want to hurt him emotionally by having this conversation but I also want to kind of honor my own, my beliefs and just kind of where my comfort lies. And I do think he would be respectful and understanding. Like, I don't fear any kind of, you know, verbal or physical abuse or anything like that. But I guess I want to be more open with him and be more vulnerable. And I'm just, I'm not sure if I can do that. So I think there's a couple things here. One is I'm going to go back to it.
Starting point is 00:42:23 and your wife live in their house. Yes. And so if there's a way you can respect them for putting a roof over your head, and this isn't violating some deep core value of yours, you're not like a proselytizing atheist. Correct. Like at some point, it sounds like you just like, I don't care. I don't believe in the hoopla, in the mythology of it all. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And if that's the case, dude, part of being in relationships is being uncomfortable. If you're seeking comfort all the time, you're not seeking relationship. And so I would put on my clothes and go to church, man. Yeah. And if when you were a kid, you believed in all of the theater and it, between what you were taught and some challenges you had processing the world and like all that led to like a powerful thing of guilt. And I wonder if you're agnostic because you're tired as much as you don't believe in it all. But that's for another phone call. Again, the best way to get to know somebody is not to dump all of your feelings onto them,
Starting point is 00:43:37 but it's to ask them to tell you stories about them. Yeah. And so if you want to develop emotional connectivity or relationship with your dad, it would be, dad, I want us to start going out once a week. I want to learn all about your story. What? Yeah, I don't know you that. well.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Oh, you do. Like, no, dad, we're doing this. We're going. Tell me about going to church in New York, kid. And just let him talk. And if he asks you a question, you can answer it. Do you get what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:44:12 Yeah. You're taking a selfish approach, which I have this stuff in my chest, and he needs to know about it. And I'm just asking you why. Yeah. And I think the biggest thing I've struggled with is the approach,
Starting point is 00:44:25 because I don't want to be this big thing where I'm like, you know, unveiling all this information and kind of changing, you know, how he views me or things like that. I want it to be more of like a natural, you know, conversation. And so I think that is good perspective to kind of come out of from that lens. But you don't feel settled to me. Are you settled?
Starting point is 00:44:54 What do you mean? Why are you living with your parents? Okay, yeah. So I'm a recent college graduate, you know, specifically in our area. housing is, you know, ridiculously expensive. So my parents really encouraged us to live with them. You know, they want us to save money to, they also just like, you know, having us around.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Is your new wife like that? She does. Yeah, there are certain, you know, pros and cons with that situation, you know, losing some of that independence that we had in college and feeling like young adults, you know, not, you know, going into the world fully. but we both are happy with the situation that we're in, and we're really grateful to our parents. What's the timeline on this? So my wife is actually looking to get into medical school,
Starting point is 00:45:44 so the timeline could be a little more extended a few more years, depending on if she gets into medical school here, you know, maybe another part of the country. She gets reached somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. So often when we feel unsettled about our lot in life, where we happen to be financially, where we happen to be spiritually, where we happen to be physically, psychologically.
Starting point is 00:46:09 When we feel unsettled, it feels like it would feel better, and I'm using the word feel a lot here, if we took this stuff out of our chest and handed it to somebody else. And often that is a hack towards taking the next right action. And what I'll tell you is if you feel frozen inside of your own skin, dumping things onto somebody will not make you feel better. In fact, it will multiply it because you'll still have that feeling and you'll feel guilty. And then you'll feel mad. And then you won't have anywhere to go with that anger because you're financially trapped. Your wife's in med school,
Starting point is 00:46:53 yada yada, then that turns to rage. And so my question for you is, what's the next couple of right actions around your finances, around your marriage, around your faith, around your physical body, being a good steward of your body, exercise. Like, what are some things you can do to begin to make peace with you? Yeah, I think exercise is a big one. You know, there are definitely aspects where, you know, I'm getting back into therapy. I'm trying to work through, you know, some of these personal issues. And I think, yeah, it was more just imagining myself, you know, in a situation where my dad is kind of asking me about religion and my beliefs.
Starting point is 00:47:39 And I don't want to be dishonest with him. but I also like you said, I don't want to dump that onto him when I am dealing with my own kind of emotional baggage. Yeah, so one, I'm going to tell you, you sound like a guy that spends a lot of time in your own head. Is that fair? Absolutely, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Okay, I want you to get that stuff out of your head and I want you to come up with one or two actions you can take daily towards becoming a guy that you have common. confidence in. And this is a man who keeps his promises to himself. And even if it's good economics, even if it's good for the time being, even if it makes everybody at peace, I'm getting the sense that, and you and I can peel it back for a couple of hours, but you are unsettled with you. That's fair. It could be that your wife is going to be a medical doctor and you feel less than. It could be that the fact that you got married and now you're back at your parents' house. It could be a thousand
Starting point is 00:48:46 and different things. But this anxiousness, this dragging future problems and holding them in the present isn't helping you. But it's causing you to lose faith and trust in you. And then your wife can anchor into you. You just begin to spin and loop and loop and loop. Does that sound familiar? It does. It does, yeah. So making and not going crazy, I go bananas. My wife always makes fun of me. She calls me like January John. She says her favorite guy in the world. because he's crazy. Like, I'm going to do it all. I'm going to lose 40 pounds.
Starting point is 00:49:23 I'm going to be on time every day. And I just, man, I just go, but I'm telling you, get two things. I will not budge. I don't care if it's midnight and I just got off my second shift from my second job and I'm going to go exercise for at least 20 minutes because I said I would. And I want you to begin a practice of building trust in you. That's number one. Number two, take your old man out and say, I'm a young guy.
Starting point is 00:49:53 married guy, and I got a lot to learn. I want to get to know you. And then just throw some questions out on the table and let the old man go. Yeah. And if faith comes up, you can tell him, yeah, man, I struggle with that Catholic guilt my whole life. I'm kind of in a place where I don't believe in much of nothing right now. And I'm still thinking through it.
Starting point is 00:50:21 I'm still working through it. Or I'm pretty settled. I just, as for me right now, it's not for me. And by the way, I had a whole, I had years, right? and I was a complete and total atheist. I didn't believe in any of it. But I knew the data that said getting up and having a faith community
Starting point is 00:50:41 was good for my body, so I still went. It meant something to my wife and to my family, so I went. And that ended up being a path back to something that I never could have imagined. Because the practice was good, right? If you're going to an abusive faith community, then no, don't go to that, run from that, right?
Starting point is 00:51:02 But when it's like, I don't know, I wear pretty much the same thing all the time. Always. Always. And if I'm going somewhere nice, I went to a funeral the other day, I dressed up. And I didn't feel comfortable in my clothes, but I dressed up because it was a right thing to do. It was a way to honor that person's family who died.
Starting point is 00:51:27 And I may not go to the church my parents go to. I mean, would never have attend. But if I go to town and I'm in town with my family and they're all getting up to go, I'm going to go with them. You get what I'm saying? I do, yeah. If it's abusive and I think it's revolting, then I'm not going to go. And I'll have that conversation before. But it sounds like you're uncomfortable in your own skin right now,
Starting point is 00:51:50 and the way you're trying to become comfortable is to seek comfort. And it sounds exactly like the path, but I want to tell you it's counterintuitive. It doesn't work that way. Actually, if you are uncomfortable in your own chest, you seek more discomfort because on the other side of that, you become somebody that you can trust, and that's where true comfort is. And I know that sounds crazy.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Read my buddy Michael Easter's book, The Comfort Crisis. It's a masterpiece. So to answer your big question, given all I've heard from your situation, yes, I would just go to church with my dad, man, because it makes him feel whole and good, and that's a way I can love somebody, especially somebody that I'm living in their house right now.
Starting point is 00:52:31 It'd be a way to love my mom, and it's not a big violation of my values. It's just not something I believe. but for you it's like going to a movie once a week. I know Tom Cruise isn't whatever, but I'll go. And also it sounds like you want to get to know your old man. Great, dude. You all start a weekly breakfast together. And it seems like you need to start thinking about who do I want to be when it comes to my profession. That's awesome. And by the way, I probably wouldn't anchor into deeply because your wife may get matched at some medical school all the other side of the country. Cool.
Starting point is 00:53:03 But I'm going to start taking action steps, not sitting there ruminating. I'm going to commit to a thing for 90 days. I'm going to go do it. Today's day one, homie. I'm proud of you. Thanks for calling. Your move. We'll be right back. All right. You know that I've been talking about my love for poncho shirts for years. And if you've seen me on stages around town or across the country or just hanging out at a restaurant here in Nashville, you've probably seen me wearing poncho shirts. And here's what's rad. Now I'm starting to see y'all wearing poncho shirts. Members of my audience, friends at church, even my coworkers. everybody I know is starting to wear poncho shirts or hit me up for free poncho shirts. Why?
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Starting point is 00:54:38 Go to poncho outdoors.com slash deloni. All right, Kelly, am I the problem? Go for it. All right. So this is from Matthew, and he is in Samora, North Carolina. Okay. And he writes,
Starting point is 00:54:55 Am I the problem? It bothers my wife if I watch shows or movies with attractive women. Even James Bond movies are too much. I have given up on that and I only watch sports. My middle school daughter is really into volleyball. There was a highly ranked college volleyball team, the game on TV last night.
Starting point is 00:55:13 My daughter sat down in the same room as me and started telling me about the players. My wife got upset with what I was watching. Finally left the living room, did the dishes, and just went to bed. Am I the problem? Oh, geez. Okay. Number one, clearly no. Not the problem.
Starting point is 00:55:37 And so just the way he painted this picture, yes, his wife clearly has some issues, right? And I would dig into what's the thing beneath the thing beneath the thing? What is it about seeing a college volleyball player that makes her have to leave the room because she feels so less than? Okay, that's number one. And just playing devil's advocate here, if you watch James Bond or whatever movie and you, you're constantly oogling and being like, oh, God, if you look like to her, or can you imagine being that hot or whatever, then yes, she doesn't want to be around you. And so I'm assuming, based on your question, that you, you were fair as you posed it. But yeah, when it comes into like,
Starting point is 00:56:27 dude, I don't know, what do you think, Kelly? I mean, the whole thing just sounds preposterous, but I don't live in that world. My wife, if somebody beautiful comes on, she's like, you want to probably come in here. And so I just don't, I can't. I can't. I can't. resonate with this at all. Yeah, same at our house. I mean, my husband's first of all, is a huge James Bond fan. But I think it's, assuming he's not sitting there making crude comments about her or why don't you look like her, whatever, then that's some insecurities on her end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she needs to do it with that. Especially if I'm watching a sport that my daughter is interested in and she's sitting there and we're talking about it,
Starting point is 00:57:03 I mean, unless he's making crude comments about college age girls in their volleyball uniforms. that in front of your daughter, you're sick, dude. Yeah, that's gross. Yeah. But if he's not, if it's like, I'm just watching this, she's interested, she's telling me about it. And now I have to get up and leave the room because you've made it difficult for me to stay here. Yeah. Then she's got some issue she needs to go with.
Starting point is 00:57:23 And so here's the deal. I would sit down and with my, if that is, if I'm you, I would sit down with her and say, we've reached a point where the house is stopping because you've got some challenging insecurities. I want to talk about it. How can I make you feel loved? what is it about seeing these other women, these other,
Starting point is 00:57:41 either fictional characters or other real people. And by the way, college athletes are in the best shape of their lives. Of course they look different than the rest of us. And actresses and actors on movie screens, I mean, people call me like, man, you look like Brad Pitt a lot.
Starting point is 00:57:56 That happens a lot. But like, Kelly's like, never, that never happens. But like, of course, that's why they're movie stars, right? So, of course, they look, like aesthetically, like, whatever. They look awesome. but if that
Starting point is 00:58:09 if I bring that into my own chest into my own spirit I look in the mirror and I think I'm less than I'm unable to be in the room I gotta get out and walk out on my daughter because she's watching a support
Starting point is 00:58:24 then yeah I need to go talk to somebody because that means I've got some deep insecurities that are going to ripple through my family for a long, long time so and if you're an uggly gross dude don't be that it's just gross
Starting point is 00:58:35 just gross love you guys bye Thank you.

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