The Dr Louise Newson Podcast - 91 – Demi Brown: Endometriosis, fibroids & hormones

Episode Date: August 11, 2026

Love Is Blind's Demi Santana Brown opens up aboutendometriosis, adenomyosis, fibroids and the power of natural hormones.Before Love Is Blind UK, Demi was a professional footballer for Millwall, West Ham and Leyton Orient - playing through heavy, painful periods for years before doctors took her seriously. She joins Dr Louise Newsonto share what it's really like to be dismissed by doctors, why the contraceptive pill made her mental health worse and how an online hormone test told her she was "fine" when her testosterone was actuallydangerously low.Louise explains the real difference between synthetic and natural hormones, why testosterone and progesterone matter for endometriosis and how reducing inflammation can ease pain, heavy bleeding and fatigue. They also discuss medical misogyny, harmful advice like "just get pregnant," and Demi’s three take-home tips for anyone struggling with endometriosis.Let’s connect👉 Follow Demi: @demisantanabrown👉 Track your hormones properly with the Balance app: https://bit.ly/4yZty5A👉 More from Dr Louise Newson:https://linkin.bio/drlouisenewson

Demi Santana Brown is on my podcast today and we talk about her journey with endometriosis. We talk about how natural body identical hormones can reduce inflammation, help with pain for women with endometriosis. But very frustratingly, we also talk about medical misogyny, about medical gaslighting, about women not being listened to or taken seriously. So much has got to change to help women with endometriosis. So I hope you enjoy today's. podcast. So Demi, you're here in the studio despite having an endo flare. Despite almost not coming,

you are here, which is great. So thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. No, it's great. A lot of people think that all I do is menopause and actually it's not at all. I think a lot about hormones for everybody. And I'm very interested in the role of natural hormones to reduce inflammation. And a big, well, I think women just have a short, they just, don't have a good deal regardless of what they have, like disease-wise, but endometriosis is a condition, you read that affects one in ten women,

I think it's more than that. You read the average time for diagnosis is eight years, and I think it's more than that. And then even when you have diagnosis, most people don't have the right treatment. Is that fair to say? Absolutely, I agree with everything you just said. I was like, one in ten, absolutely not.

There's so many people that I speak to that have similar symptoms to what I have. And as I said, I don't feel like I was treated seriously until I hit 25. She's awful, isn't it? So there's probably so many young girls out there that are struggling. Because how old are you now? I'm 53. So you've had a long time, like nearly 20 years then?

Yeah, still fighting to actually be seen with my consultant and stuff like that. So tell me a bit about your story then, if that's okay. Yeah. When I was younger, I struggled. When I started my periods, I was like 13, struggled with really heavy periods. Not so much pain to begin with. And then when I become sexually active, that's when the person. pain started to come alongside it.

And I was going back and forth to the doctors, like, answering for help. And I was told I had IBS. They said stuff about my prolactin being high. So I was, like, essentially told to go to different departments and not really taken seriously until I kind of had a bit of a mental breakdown. And then they, like, took me a bit more serious. And then I had my keyhole surgery in 2019 and was told that I had endometriosis. But at the time, I'd never heard of the name.

I didn't have a clue what that was. So obviously you go to Google and you start typing in things and yeah, from there, just been trying to figure out what the condition is and how to make my life a little bit easier with it. And I suppose over time I've tried like the holistic healing and cutting out foods and stuff like that. And it's still a battle because as much as I log,

you know, something new always pops up or some of a symptom that I didn't know was related to endo occurs. So yeah, still on that journey. of trying to figure it out. So it's a long time but you're, I mean, you were with footballer, weren't you? Oh yeah, I missed out of that part.

So yeah, I love, yeah, I love, I still play football now but I played at quite a high level when I was younger so I got scouted to play for Millwall when I was like 15 and went off to play at West Ham and late in Orient and stuff like that. So it was good but every time I would have a period, it was like the anxiety of like, what colour kit we were wearing this week? Like, am I going to be able to play, like,

make enough excuses like? to essentially not play. Obviously, I want to play. Because your periods were heavy. Yeah, so I used to worry. I mean, when I was, when I was like 14 or 13,

yeah, 14, we played for a team called Longley, my first ever team, and our kit, our away kit was white. And obviously, he was a male, bless him, so I love Mick.

But, yeah, he thought it looked nice, but we were so anxious, you know, but me, especially, I used to wear like five pairs of knickers because I didn't know, like,

I didn't speak about it to anyone. So, I didn't know it wasn't normal. So yeah, like it was a lot. But, you know, thank goodness for period knickers now. Yeah. Yeah. But still, just to have that anxiety when you're supposed to have your head in the game

must be really difficult. Yeah. It was hard, but you love the sport so you get through it. Yeah. And then you've tried some contraceptive hormones in the past. Yeah. So, yeah, I went on the pill when I was... 16, the doctor advised that actually.

And yeah, it just made me go a bit crazy. I felt like I felt like I was having episodes of just feeling like really low or like, yeah, I just couldn't regulate my emotions. It's quite scary then. Yeah. So that lasted for about two and a half years and then I just come off of it. Okay. Yeah.

Did anyone tell you that could be related to being on the contraceptive? I think it was my sister because my sister's very like a, against contraception, to be honest, or putting anything in your body that... Yes. Anything in your body, to be honest. So she was like, no, like, don't... You don't need that.

And I come off of it and I started to feel better within myself. And I was like, oh, actually, that's where it is. So, yeah, I was like, I won't be going back on that. Yeah, because obviously they're not the same as our own hormones. They're synthetic. So that it's a chemical that's been made to look like hormones, but it doesn't work in the same way as the body. And we know that it's...

It can block our natural hormones working. So quite a few people when it blocks the hormones in the brain can negatively affect mental health. Oh, wow. But there's very little research done on it because when the pill came out, they didn't have to do the research that you would now for a new drug treatment.

So it's never been tested on the brain or other organs when it came to market. So but there are some studies that show that it can have a negative effect, especially on the adolescent brain, which is constantly remodeling and changing. and everything as well. So. Yeah, that's scary. I didn't know that.

I didn't know that. No. To be honest with you. Yeah. But yeah, that would explain a lot. Yes. Yeah. And also it can block the way that our natural hormones work throughout our body.

So it can increase inflammation, which when you've got endometriosis, as you know, it's an inflammatory condition. I mean, there's still a lot that people don't know about it. But it's, as you know, it's where. tissue similar to the lining of the womb is elsewhere. And there's all sorts of theories why people have it. But when there's lots of theories, it basically means that no one knows. And everyone's just trying to decide in their own way.

But I don't think it's a gynecological issue because you can get endometriosis elsewhere in the body. As you know, people can get it in the bowel or the diaphragm or the lungs. So it's not really a gynecological condition, whereas when you've got endometiosis, it's usually a gynecologist that look after you, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. And I only found out last year that it's not just in that area, that it can spread up to the lungs and even parts of your brain. Yeah.

I was like, what? I've never heard of that. But it is good that people are sharing the awareness around that now as well. So what other treatments have you had for your endometriosis? So I had keyhole surgery where I had ablation. So they lasered off the tissue. And again, I wish I knew at the time what that even was, because I would have asked for them to cut, cut out the tissue.

Did it make any difference? Oh, after I had that surgery, I had the worst flare-up that I have ever experienced. I actually ended up back in hospital. And I had an infection, though, which is quite common after you've had that kind of surgery. So they had to give me or put the antibiotics in. But, yeah, my periods after that for a while were just really bad. And then it did die down a bit. But then it started back up and I was like, surely, in my head I thought you have the surgery and then everything's okay.

I was like, everything's going to be fine. And then I think mentally it had another toll on me because it was like going back to the doctors and they were just like, oh yeah, we've done the surgery. Like come back when you're looking to do fertility. And they just like this. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. That was really helpful, isn't it? No, like we've done kind of all we can do.

and then I was kind of discharged from my consultant and I didn't even know I was discharged I thought that like when I go back to the doctors I'll be able to see that consultant and they was like oh no you've been discharged I was like what do you mean I'm still getting problems though I still have like symptoms

then I had to get re-referred and everything to go back on to see my consultant for more scams and stuff so have you had any treatment that's helped you just loads of pain really leaf to be honest with you and that's not it's just what I do to cope yeah yeah what other what other contraception have I tried no just the pill yeah yeah and what about natural hormones you said you've been reading a bit but yeah I need to do that no I haven't I haven't well to be fair and you just

found out that there's synthetic hormones and natural ones like how do where do I get those from yeah no it's really it's really interesting so when I prescribe hormones to people, I'm prescribing the exact chemical that we produce because everything has got its own chemical structure. So we have progesterone, which I'm sure you've heard of, eustodial, which is a form of estrogen that's anti-inflammatory and also testosterone. And they're all three hormones that our ovaries make, our brain makes, other tissues, like our adrenal glands make. And they're sort of fluctuating throughout. But what's really interesting is that they work very differently to the synthetic

hormones. So the synthetic hormones and contraception shouldn't really be called hormones because they're not. They're a different chemical. And like I say, they can block our own hormones working. But I'm very interested in anything that is going to reduce inflammation in the body is good for your health. And especially if you've got endometriosis or adenomyosis where I've got that as well. Have you? Yeah. So that's where the tissue like the lining of the womb is in the womb, isn't it? In the wall of the womb. So that can flare. And actually when you look down a microscope at endometriosis sort of lesions, if you like, they've got their own like inflammatory cells in there as well. So there's like inflammation that your body is producing.

And then the inflammation that is actually in the endometriosis, you've got like a double whammy of inflammation. And with inflammation, it can cause pain as well. So so when I look at the natural hormones, how they work in the body, because they help reduce inflammation, that's good. also they help modulate the pain receptors. So that's why a lot of women actually feel pain more the days before their periods when hormones naturally drop. So it's not that it's all in our heads. We actually, you know, if I stick a pin on you the second day of your period or the second day before your period, the same injury will cause a different pain response because our hormones are really important for how our pain receptors work. And so that's the other thing is that I don't

want my patients to be in pain. I don't want them to have a disease, but I also don't want them to suffer. So then when I think about giving those natural hormones, they can reduce inflammation and help pain. So that's two big ticks. Yeah. But the other thing that's quite interesting, which I've read a lot about, is there's been some studies for many years actually that show that women with endometriosis are more likely to have low testosterone, even born with it. And then as they grow and age, still the testosterone levels low. And so when I see people with endometriosis in my clinic, I always do testosterone blood tests,

and it's always low in people with endometriosis. So I recently got my hormones tested, yeah. Oh, okay. And what did they show? They come back good. Okay, can have a look? Yeah, you can have a look. It said the marker on it, it said, oh, like, good for each one.

Okay. And you can go through what they are. So you just did this online. So no one's spoken to you about it. Okay, so let's have a look. No one's spoken to me. So your testosterone says it's green good. But when I look at the number,

have you read the number or did you just see the good bit? I just saw the good and was happy to go. So, okay, the number is 0.591. So the clue is in the zero. Like, what should it mean? Well, it's a range. Okay. But you can have it up to about two.

So that's about a quarter I want at least a one on there Yeah so that is low Your estradiol is It says good and it's in a normal range But it's only done that day Like if I do it today or tomorrow It'll probably be a different result

So it's only a guide And they have that's all they That they've measured Progesterone is the other hormone That we don't often do a level Because it can fluctuate so much And what's in your blood Isn't the same as what's in the rest of your body

But certainly that testosterone 0.991 is low. And I've just written an article about testosterone levels on balance app actually because what's really frustrating is that what they do is they compare it to apparently normal women. But that's apparently is in the clue. Like you don't know what's. So you could say, well, it's normal to have low testosterone when you're in your 30s. Is it really? because I've already told you testosterone is an important hormone,

reduces inflammation, it can help with mood, energy, concentration, stamina. So they don't really know what is normal, but we do know that women can normally have levels, depending on the laboratory, up to about 2, 2.3. So if I see 0.0 something in my mind, and probably a 2-year-old's mind, that is low. Well, I just saw good, but yeah, no, that's not. I don't even if it's acceptable.

This highlights the problems with doing online tests because it says balance levels support energy, mood, libido, reproductive health and overall well-being, true. But yours isn't balanced, although it says good, it isn't. So it's really, really misleading. So I hate to tell you, but I think you've wasted your money on that. Well, thank you. Well, it's good to know.

Yeah, because like I say, hormone blood tests are only a guide, that anything we do in medicine, any test is a guide. The most important thing is looking at the patient. What you'll be pleased to hear is more important than anything else. But that testosterone level being low, with you symptoms, if you were my patient, I would say, well, we could try some testosterone. And also I would probably try progesterone as well.

But this is really important that it's the natural progesterone. So it's the same as our own progesterone. Lots of people have low progesterone, partly because there's so many, endocrine disruptors in what we do, like the way that we eat, whatever we put on our skin, all the sort of pollution, everything, it can affect our endocrine system. So a lot of people have low progesterone and a lot of people find that they have less energy. They don't feel quite the same. And can feel just a bit low or stress can reduce testosterone levels as well.

So if someone's had a lot of stress in their lives, a lot of trauma, that can increase our cortisol, but then it can drain our progesterone and so we have lesser hormones as well. So quite often we give progesterone and testosterone and then someone might or might not need estradiol. You know, it's looking at the three hormones very separately. So but like I say, having the right hormones can reduce inflammation and reduce pain,

which are two big important things in endo really. What I'm really trying to do is have reduced my inflammation. So I've done like changes. I used to drink alcohol quite a lot. lot and I don't drink alcohol now because yeah the difference that I noticed in terms of like my flares hey and yeah so like it's just not worth it and then there's other things but I don't to be honest with you I don't know if they're working or not with the other things that I've been trying to do it's really difficult isn't it because you don't know what you'd be like

if you hadn't made changes as well but you're still struggling with yeah like that's what to me I feel like I've done like quite good well actually know I did just get back from holiday and I did not stick to the rules that I would normally stick to. So that probably would explain why my period has been more painful. And as you were speaking, I was like, no way, because literally two days before I come on my period, I was experiencing all the pains, like the lower backache, the sharp pains up my leg, the cramps. And I was thinking my period's going to be so bad, but actually the worst pain was leading up to the period. And then whilst I'm on my period, it's more the heaviness.

So then that's just like the fatigue and low energy. But the pain was definitely way before. Then that's when you have a big decline in progesterone the days before your period. Then when you have your period, your progesterone comes up a bit, but probably not enough. So that's why you're still having a heavy period.

So often when we give progesterone, people have a lot lighter, manageable periods as well, which makes such a difference. And I didn't know that either. Yeah. So that explains a lot. I mean, on my track,

because I track my periods and my symptoms, and stuff like that just to understand what is going on. Yeah, and that's always a thing before I come on my period. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you'd like more information about your hormone health,

download my free balance app. It allows you to track symptoms and cycles, access hundreds of educational articles and videos, and also connect with supportive community of women, navigating similar experiences. So, I mean, a lot of people, of what I do is very simplistic medicine, but it's become really complicated somehow. And what frustrates me is that people, you know, like you are suffering when you might not have to suffer

in the same way. And a lot of gynecologists don't think about hormones as in the difference between the natural hormones and synthetic hormones. And I've been to quite a lot of conferences where they'll just talk about give people with endometriosis, the marina coil, or give them the synthetic hormones and if they don't work it's not a hormonal problem and I'm like but it's not the same it's completely different in the body yeah that's very interesting and now I'm definitely like what hormones do I need to put what natural humans do I need to put in my body it's it's interesting one of one of my colleagues I know who's a lovely person who works in America and she does a lot of work for fertility and but she's very much about lifestyle making

inflammation as low as possible before thinking about any fertility drugs. And she said when she does a laparoscopy on people that have endometriosis, she always says to them, have six months of natural hormones before even thinking about trying to get pregnant. So really optimise not just your lifestyle, but your lifestyle, but also have those hormones to reduce inflammation. And she said that if she does a laparoscopy again on those women, she said you can literally see the endometriosis has disappeared or really reduced.

Would that be the same of fibroids? Possibly, yeah. Have you got fibroids as well? Oh, yeah. I've got the triple fret. Yeah, so that's how sometimes I don't know if it's the endo, if it's the ador, the fibroids, but yeah, just trying to shrink and get rid of as much as possible. And it's very interesting with fibroids because again, you know, a lot of this is not coming

from research because the research hasn't been done. When I was at medical school, I was taught that estrogen, feeds of the fibroids and they shrink after menopause. And I'm like, that's interesting. How is that to be? And no one's really giving me a proper explanation. But like I said you, it's not just about estrogen anyway. So I think a lot of people with fibroids have had low progesterone for a long time,

maybe testosterone as well. But giving testosterone and progesterone will not worse than fibroids at all. They won't worsen it. No, not at all. So. So, and they would help with the inflammation for the endometriosis. It's a win-win. Yeah.

And often in medicine, like I would hate to give, you know, I would hate to say, I am definitely going to make you better because that is wrong. Like, no one can say that, but I can say the chances are you will improve. But also, we give people something to try and see. Like you were given a contraceptive pill and it didn't help, then you knew eventually to stop it. So with these hormones, I'll often say to people try them for three to six months, and then you can decide whether they improve you or not. And, you know, I see a lot of people who were in their 20s younger than you.

And I saw someone recently, the gynecologist said to her, the pain is all in your head. You can either do more exercise, have a hysterectomy or get pregnant. And they were the three choices she was given. Yeah, that sounds very familiar. Maybe not the pain all in your head, but definitely lose weight. And I'm sorry, my mind blows because, I work out and I do exercise.

So I'm like, there's something going on with the fact that when I'm having a week off of exercise and eating, I blow out. I don't understand it. And then being told to have a baby, but you've never got, what? Do you know how insensitive that is? I just can't. I find that's, I just, I can't imagine them saying to a man. Yeah. The same things.

I just, to say to a woman, regardless of whether she wants baby or not, that having a baby will improve your symptoms. You have a baby because you want a baby. You don't have it as a treatment for a condition. But one of the things, I guess they're indirectly saying what they're maybe not thinking about it is that if you had more hormones in your body, you will feel better. Because that's what happens often. When people are pregnant, they have progesterone in their body.

They have a high amount of testosterone and estradiol in their body, which reduces inflammation. But you don't need to get pregnant to have hormones in your body. So there's a lot we need to try and unpick really. But the problem is in medicine is that people often learn from their consultants. If the consultants say you have to have synthetic hormones or an ablation, then you never learn and people don't get treated properly. And then I'm sure you speak to a lot of people with endometriosis. They're just in the dark.

They've got nowhere to go. No. Yeah. spoken to anybody who's had good treatment? No. There's no no. No, I've spoke to some that have found good consultants now.

Okay. But like these are like proper like specialists in their field and it's really hard and really expensive. So it's in terms of being accessible, no, it's not accessible. But yeah, a lot of women that have spoken to

like it's very traumatic and that's why sometimes I love being in the endo community because like I feel like people get it as well but then at the same times it can be very heavy because there's so much trauma in there and it's like wow do you think that's trauma because they've had

medical misogyny and awful experiences with doctors absolutely there is definitely medical misogyny like even my own experience like I didn't I thought it was in my head because the pushback was just crazy like

until I was 25, as I said, like I don't feel like anyone was truly listening. And that's still happening now? Yeah, absolutely. Like, I've got a family member who's younger, my niece, she won't mind me, and, you know, it's the same things that I was told when I was... So it's not getting better?

I don't think so. Well, I see, in certain areas, right, like, because I see a lot now and I get invited to certain talks and stuff like that. So in that aspect, yeah, the awareness is there and people are speaking about it, whereas I don't think they were when I was younger, but what's the action? Well, this is what I can't understand because I think you're right, the awareness is people

are talking about people who know what endometriosis is, but the suffering and the pain is still there, but it's the stories of women being gas-liped by doctors seem to be worse than ever. And I don't know, I was always trained as a doctor to listen and believe my patients, which I do every day, but also, to be honest with them, so if I didn't know what treatment and I said to you, although I think you've got endometriosis,

I don't really know the treatment, but I'll try and find out. That's probably okay, isn't it, for me to say that as a doctor? Oh, absolutely. But not to say, go and get pregnant, it's all in your head.

Like, it just seems wrong. Because then it's adding a pressure onto the person as well that they don't necessarily, they don't need that. Or, yeah, it's just, yeah, being told for years, like, it's just a bad period. And then believe in it as well.

But yeah, this is crazy. But even if it is just a bad period, there is treatment for that as well. And that's where, like, I get really frustrated with the labelling of women. You know, my youngest daughter has heavy painful periods. And she hasn't been on synthetic hormones, which I think is good because I think

then she probably would get endometriosis. I mean, she still might have it. I don't think so. But now she takes natural progesterone. And she's definitely a lot better. And it's really difficult because there's no rush to label someone. The rush in my mind is to treat them and treat in a very simplistic way with the lowest risks possible. But then the system's not built like that.

No, I know. It's not. It's not. To label. Yeah, I know. And then treat. Yeah. If you're lucky.

Yeah. And then half the treatment is, Yeah, and then the aftercare is non-existent. It's terrible, isn't it? It's not existing. I'm also hearing from a lot of people with endometriosis who have hormone blockers, so they have Zonodex injections. Yeah, I've heard of this.

Yeah, and I can't understand why you'd block someone's hormones when they're young. Well, yeah, I wouldn't. But I don't know if that actually helps them, though. Well, the thing is, sometimes the endometriosis can flare because of changing hormone levels. Okay. So if you got rid of the hormones, Sometimes people feel better because they haven't got the changing hormone levels. But the problem is then it's like giving you menopause.

So then a lot of people have symptoms. And without those hormones, there's more inflammation in the rest of the body. More diseases like heart disease and osteoporosis and diabetes. So you just like, I spoke to someone recently who's 20. And she'd been given one of these hormone blockers for endometriosis, but she'd worked in a nursery. And she said, I've had to give up my job because I've got brain fog. I can't look after the children.

And the consultant said that's all the treatment you can have. And she's 20. And I'm like, oh dear, that doesn't sound like, you know. Yeah, no, that's not good. And then the other one being hysterectomy as well, like that option, being told that in your 20s as well. Yeah, that's really hard, isn't it? No, no.

So we need to, we need to think differently. And a lot of my work, and there's a lot of information on balance on endometriosis and hormones. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not saying. it will work for everyone, but I'm saying it's worth considering having natural hormones and see if it helps. And if it helps your pain

helps reduce periods, then it's got a beneficial thing. And it's no long-term detrimental effect because it's just topping up your own hormones. You would suggest like three to six months. Yeah. No, you do in most things. You know, it can take a little while. One of my patients is 24 now and she's had symptoms for a long, well, long time, like nearly 10 years. And

the first few weeks she kept saying, I don't feel any better, I don't feel any better. And I was like, just hang on. And now it's six months and she's completely transformed. Okay. So because the hormones are such a low dose, really, and they've got to work, your body's got to get used to them, or any inflammation makes a difference.

But it can take a little while. But there's no harm trying. I've got so many questions in my head on. Yeah. Does this help with weight as well? Can do? Can it? Because.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So our hormones work on every cell and they help our metabolism and our control of insulin and glucose metabolism as well. So a lot of people find that when they don't have hormones, then or they don't have the right level, then they have different amounts of glucose and insulin in the body. So you can't metabolize the same way.

So it's a bit like having pre-diabetes almost, you know. And then quite a few people have sugar cravings as well when their hormone levels are low. and it's all very well to say to a woman just ignore them. Yeah, that's really hard. I'm not going to laugh. It's a physiological thing because your body is craving sugar because your hormone levels are dropping your sugar. So a lot of people sometimes feel a bit lightheaded or whatever.

And you just need a quick sugar fix to come out of a headache. Yeah. But the best thing is treating what's the cause of this change in sugar levels? Oh, it's the low hormones. Give those hormones. And a lot of people find, especially testosterone actually, like stops the appetite in the same way a lot of women are constantly thinking about

where am I going to eat next whereas men just eat when they're hungry it's a different thing So I need that level up Yeah so that level is no That level is not good Yeah It's good but it's not good

No I want that up So yeah And what I always say to people will It's still be physiological So you're not going to grow a beard or moustache It's just a small amount

of topping up your natural hormone I've already got that anyway And try it and say I don't mind add into it Got a few hairs here and there I'm just like, what is that as a poll? Well, again, it's balancing your hormones. It's all about, but it's balancing all three hormones is really important.

I was going to say, I feel like, even though I had there was tested, I feel like if you were to test me now, it would be completely different in all those areas. And that's where it's listening to the patient, which is not happening enough. Because even if the hormones are sharing that now, but my symptoms are this, then obviously there's something going on. Totally. So, yeah, you need to think about your hormones in a natural way. I need to try to go on your waiting list. I bet that's long.

No, it's fine. We can help you in the clinic. Absolutely. And it's just important for people to be empowered with knowledge. And so it's great that you've come. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I always end with three take-home tips. So three things that you think people should know about endometriosis when they're suffering. You are not alone. That's the first one. Because community is key and that's really helped me.

The second one, knowing how to reduce information because that has saved me. in terms of the pain. So alcohol for me is one of the things. And you have to find out what is your trigger. And then the next one, come and listen to Louise. Oh, I love you. Yeah?

Because she has got some good answers and takeaway tips. So whatever I don't have the answers to, I know you're going to have it. Perfect. Right answer. Thank you so much for coming today. It's been great. No, thank you for having me.

Honestly, I really really appreciate it. I mean, I was so close. to not coming because I wasn't feeling where I feel so much better being here. Good. So I really do appreciate at the time. Excellent. Thank you so much. So just a quick one, it would be really great if you could follow or subscribe to this podcast.

This will really help me reach more people with evidence-based information about hormones and their future health. And also means you never miss a future episode. Thank you.