The Dumb Zone FREE - DZ 12-5-24: Dak speaks on Mike McCarthy, Mavs NBA Cup chances, and VJ Boyd from Netflix's The Madness

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Get every episode of The Dumb Zone by subscribing at DumbZone.com or Patreon.com/TheDumbZoneDak says he wants McCarthy back next year... but what's he supposed to say? The Mavs are on a heater and eyeing the NBA Cup. Dan's favorite high school commit chooses a school and our buddy, VJ Boyd, joins to discuss The Madness (00:00) - Open: Christmas party follow-up (21:55) - Cowboys: Dak talks about McCarthy (44:06) - Mavs: Comeback against Grizzlies (57:44) - NCAA: Dan's favorite commit (01:07:56) - Big Thursday Viewer Mail Bag (01:20:37) - VJ Boyd, writer for Netflix's The Madness (01:58:17) - News: CEO shot in Manhattan (02:24:52) - Viewer Mail birthdays (02:34:15) - Today in History: Strom Thurmond Kempspin ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Hello, I'm DFW's own Danny Bayless letting you know that you are about to hear a free podcast of the Dumb Zone. But if you'd like to subscribe at dumbzone.com, you will get four shows per week plus the weekend wrap up and any bonus epis like our Business Wednesday interviews. Oh, you'll also get our DZTV archives. Again, that's dumbzone.com to subscribe. Now, on to today's program. The Dumb Zone. I'd like to tell you about our friends at Fair Lease. Fairlease.org. I'm at Danny, the head honcho at Fair Lease the other night at our company Christmas party.

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That's actually a fantastic idea. Yeah. And you just pop out. I just don't have any enemies. Maybe you put a big bow on it and have it delivered outside of your enemy's home. These are the sort of things Fairleast will do for you, Blake. Yeah, call them. Somebody will answer.

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The Player. Brought to us by VJ Boyd. VJ will join us today. That's a promo. Coming up later today, VJ Boyd on the Dumb Zone, where it is Thursday, the 5th of December. I'm Dan McDowell. I'm Jake Kemp.

I'm Blake Jones. Along with video man Rob Chickering, so he can do that video switching so quick. To go from Dan to Jake to Blake, but nothing on him. Nothing, a humble man. Doesn't need the spotlight on himself. Don't leave out Jack. But he can go from Dan to Jake to Blake.

Oh, not that quick, is he? Don't need a Blake. Don't need a Jack But he can go from Dan to Jake to Blake Oh, not that quick, is he? Don't need a Blake Yes, Intern Jack is here as well Intern Jack is wearing a Jimmy's Food Store shirt The place where we had Italian sandwiches from An old Dallas staple And I don't know, somehow it just makes sense to me.

Just that he would... No, it's not a weight thing. He'll just wear a free shirt. He just seems like a guy who would wear a free shirt from an Italian sub place. I bet he'll wear any free shirt we throw at him. No, dude. Jack's got a lady. Oh, he bought the shirt. Yeah, he pays for it.

Somehow that makes even more sense. Such a fan of the... It's so sad. Yeah, he pays for it Somehow that makes even more sense Such a fan of the It's so sad Yeah, Jack does have a lady Jack was a big hit at the holiday party the other night Christmas party, I call it I thought it was great What an evening

I thought it was a lot of fun I called Jake on the way home and said that was awesome Now We didn't need to be there Here's the thing Jake and said that was awesome. Now... We didn't need to be there. Here's the thing. Jake was great. Jack was great. Rob was jovial.

Kelly, you know, Jasmine, Julie, everybody was... And then Blake's just kind of sitting over there, a little stick in the mud. Like, hey, dude. That's okay. We're having fun here. We've got clients. We've got friends. We've got scene. Saroy. I hate to try to mention everybody, but it was just great.

It was a really good time, and I had a really, really great time. And then Blake's over there. The only thing he said to me was I walked over, and he sort of gestured toward his wife and said, hey, have you met my wife? Yeah, like a hundred times. Yeah, because I was getting a poke in the back. Hey, have you introduced us? I've been to your house.

Yeah, but we were playing host. That's really weird. I've hung out with your wife several times. That's not true. I've been around her at least three or four times. Your wife's a gem. Just a gem for putting up with you. A nipple-biting gem.

That's right. But no, I was at the Constellation Club. That's all I think of when I see her. 26th floor. 26th floor. I told Blake there was a, he knew about it. There was a tweet that was going around that day, and it was a photo of a Manhattan office,

like a finance office from the 80s. It looked like it was from the Gordon Gekko movie. And it just said something like, the male urge to blow your brains out in this office as the FBI storms down the hall with the Ponzi scheme unraveling. That's kind of how I felt up there the other night. I was like, man, I don't belong here.

So it's called the Constellation Club. It's in Irving. And yes, it's high atop this building. By the way, we are not high atop my garage. We are high atop, we're at the Fox 4 building today, downtown Dallas, video show. You're 27, baby. So hello.

video show. You're 27, baby. So hello. But it's just, and that's just like one building. Yeah, they're everywhere. In Las Colinas or Irving or wherever we were. Yes.

Are these private clubs all over the place? Like money, just money dripping from the building. The building just felt like money. I'm like, why am I here? It was funny too. And it was difficult for me to navigate my way to get there.

Yeah, when I got there, made my way in eventually. Four buildings that look exactly the same right next to each other. For sure. I was in like the third one over. The receptionist, maybe I kind of can look official although i wasn't wearing anything nice she was like are you here for the um like net vice serve pro christmas party i'm like definitely not and there were a couple other people who were passing the time and they were wearing like suits or at least a nice blazer and shirt and they looked cool. I was like, I think ours is probably listed as no puppet.

She's like, oh, that way. No, I was in my Twitch hoodie and T-shirt under it. And she goes, I walked up and she goes, you here for the no puppet party? Yeah. She knew exactly. Yeah. I had a hat on.

So the whole, yeah, she knew that I didn't belong there and she thought, well, who else doesn't belong here? Probably this group. Yeah, but it was a good time.

It was great. Maybe that'll be our new thing. Maybe we'll be into clubs. High society. If you got a thing you want to invite me to, I'll go.

Maybe. I just want to be invited. Anyway, Jack was great. He was. He was killing it. He's slaying poon. We're all like, whoa, Jack has a woman? Jack has a woman.

No way. That was really more you, Jack. Yeah, just you. Can't believe it. So proud of him. What did you think? Dude? So who we will not?

No, I didn't think he'd have a dude. He just seems like recluse-y to me. He doesn't go out. He just stays at home. You don't know Jack like I do. I guess not. You know, I was surprised you got a woman. Well, you just... I thought you were gay

You thought I was gay Yeah I would take recluse over gay Which was Why? Boy, that's anti-gay That really is, dude Unbelievable

Who we don't have on the show today I had booked her But then she had to bail out for deadline something I don't know Sarah Heppela So I just like to tell people that Just to know you could have had Sarah Heppola today if you're like, man, this show, I don't like this show today. I'm just saying we don't have Sarah Heppola.

She recently wrote an article in the Dallas Morning News. We invite you to go check out. Title of article, Sports Broadcaster Jake Kemp on Getting Sober and Going Public. So I wanted to promote that for her. Also today. That's your new contact photo, by the way. And now, an excerpt of a courageous journey from the bottom of a bottle to a top 10 sub stack sports podcast. There were nights when Jake Kemp lay awake in bed, same sentences on loop in his brain,

like a station whose dial refused to budge. You have to stop. He stared at the ceiling, but you can't stop. You've been listening to stories from Skid Row to Redemption. We'll be back soon with more inspiring journeys. Shout out to voice actor Steve Noviello for his contributions to this very important

project. Is that who that was? Oh man, that's great. That's really good. Hopefully he didn't just hear Blake's bashing of a community Yeah so check out that That audio Also on today's show it looks like we have That article I should say

Also on today's show Cowboys Says here Mavs Oh yeah Other sports. Big Thursday mailbag that most people would just do on Friday. Oh, and I already said VJ Boyd.

So we can start with... Hold on. Oh, wait. Here is another portion of Stories of Bravery from the gutter to glory as read by Fox 4's Steve Noviello. of Stories of Bravery, From the Gutter to Glory, as read by Fox 4's Steve Noviello. Kemp had been hiding bottles in his car for months.

He'd been slipping out of the house at night after his family had gone to bed. When his wife asked if he had been drinking, he lied. Stick around for more inspirational anecdotes such as this one right here on DZTV. Yeah, that's great, man. Very supportive community I have here. No way of making light of... What?

What you were about to say? Yeah, I have a couple things. Maybe we don't have time for both of them. I did something yesterday that I think I had previously promised myself I would never do because I had read somewhere along the line that it was just a bunch of hocus pocus and pseudoscience or pseudomedicine. I've kind of had a little bit of a lower back situation for as long as I can remember. And really, it's my hip. The lower right side of my back into my hip has always kind of been a problem for me. Like, it pops every time I take a step a little bit.

You go to the practor? Yeah. I did. Wow. For the first time ever. And it was weird, man. I mean, I'm going to go back today. I'm going to do like 20 treatments over three weeks. Or no, over like eight weeks it is.

Is it significantly different than you go to get Gary to give you a massage? Pretty different. However, Gary is also a chiropractor, so I think that's gary's massage is so hard yeah but uh it was it was just weird i know every person that every massage i've ever had the one time i ever went to the place there's one in south lake called the stretch zone there's a place that'll stretch you yeah i've seen that um like trainers i've worked out with they've all kind of said, like, boy, you're pretty compact and tight. Like, it doesn't look good.

And I feel that way. So I went and tried it. It's awesome. It may be bullshit, but my, oh, my. There's a lot there. It felt great. Are they just popping you? what are they doing? dude like you've never felt before

and I not only that I was so while you wait they have what is called like a roller table it's a like a little cot type thing that you lay on and there's a almost like a foam roller that

is automated and moves up and down your whole body underneath like uh the sheet or the blanket so you know a foam roller but you got to roll it yourself this is just rolling your body and as i was laying there they're like all right you'll be here for about 10 minutes while the doctor's getting ready i'm not a doctor, whatever. And I kept hearing, Hi-yah! Hi-yah! Oh, yo! And I was like, oh. Fucking Shogun situation back here.

Southlake? And I didn't know what was going on. And then they're like, all right. We're ready for you. So I walk into the room. The doctor that I'd already met, super cool guy, was there. Oh, by the way, shout out to the assistant chiropractor who was, I think, going to take over for this guy one day. He said he was 36.

I was wearing sweatpants, and I had to get x-rays on my back, so I had to take everything out of my pockets. My back is an x-ray level. So I had to take everything out of my pockets. Nice guy, so if you ever hear this, I'm sorry. You're a nice guy. He's like, as a medical professional, I got to tell you, that vaping is not good for you. I go, yeah, dude, I just went to rehab

for alcohol. You played that card. Real quick. You're using it. You couldn't just accept it.'s why just like nod and go it makes people super uncomfortable and you wanted to see that yeah and he's like uh yeah i had a family member uh see you're like all shy about it like even before you went in you're like man i just don't want people to know this about me yeah well it's out there now you might as well make it

awkward yeah now you're now you're just ready to roll with it. I was like, actually, they say it's really not good to try to quit two things at once. But I'm sure, back crack guy, you probably have a good handle on it. I wish she would have snapped back to you. I guess rehab didn't work. So it was time for me to go in and see the doctor. He's like, all right, I'm super excited after looking at your x-rays. I think I can get a lot done here. He's showing me the x-rays where things look messed up i'm like yeah it does

look pretty messed up and then when i get on the table that's inverted and he lays it down the sound was him because as he's you know working around your body it's like hey take a deep breath in and as you exhale it dude he's doing i'm hearing stuff come's like, hey, take a deep breath in. And as you exhale it, dude, he's doing – I'm hearing stuff come out of my body that I've never known was possible. And there's about a half second of pain. But after that, it's like, oh, my God. And he's like – Relief?

He's like building towards orgasm. He's really enjoying this. Like after every one, he's like, oh, man, that felt good. I'm like, you know what, son of a bitch, it did. You're feeling good makes him feel good. It felt great. That wasn't his elbow. It almost felt like how we know women will like to pop your pimples.

They get a stress relief from it. Yeah, my wife loves it. Yeah, they all love it. So, yeah, he's doing that and i'm like that was great he's like if you do this three times a week or as much as you can or whatever for the next eight weeks you're gonna see massive improvement like i got a leg that's an inch longer than the other leg yeah you're gonna be six six here which he said that's too much for normal he's like everybody's got a little really do yeah really do? Yeah. He said it's over an inch, almost an inch and a half.

Not the middle leg. No. That one's receding into my body. Yeah. So that's story number one, but I have to get this other one off my chest. I went to the cleaners this morning after I dropped off Carter. It's a little cleaners over in Grapevine. Been going there for several years.

It is, as you might expect, run by Asians. They're very kind. I wonder why we do expect that because it's true. Yeah, I don't know. They're just certain industries. I mean, I know about like the nail salon all goes back to that lady in Hollywood. The Vietnam, yeah. Yeah.

But I don't know. But they're great. And they're affordable. And I've been going there for several years you can get their donuts right next door there's a donut place across the shopping center also run by you work from 5 a.m to noon or whatever and then you open up cleaners so this place uh i didn't need my stuff quick i rarely do it was just we moved so I had a bunch of stuff that was covered in dust.

I had a big trash bag full of stuff and I walk in. It was 9 09 in the morning. Now very clearly on the outside of the shop it says in before 9 back by 5. So if you turn in your clothes

they open at 7. If you turn in your clothes at 7.30, they'll have it for you by five. Okay, yeah, I follow. Pretty clear. You do? Sure. Good. So I walked in and there was a man who had seven or eight items on the counter.

I can only best describe this guy to you as he looked like pretty much every Baptist preacher I had growing up or somehow in the church administration. He looked a lot like my stepdad's dad, who was a Baptist preacher. Probably about 5'8", pretty hefty, but rocking Cole's best. Like a button-up. Kirk Cousins special. Slacks, exactly. He's got gray hair that's very Mike Pence-ish. You know what I mean?

Like it's Lego gray hair. Okay, yeah. And he's a thick fellow. Caucasian, if I need to add that. So I should also tell you that outside of the cleaners, their van is out there running. They have a big van, which I assume is where they,

they take a lot of their stuff to go to another facility where it's cleaned. And, uh, so there was a guy in the van outside and it was running. So I walked in and, uh, he's got his stuff on the table and she says, uh, uh, seven items. Thank you. Uh, tomorrow by five. thank you, tomorrow by 5. And he said, tomorrow by 5. Today by 5. And she said, no. That's the way he said it?

Yeah. He didn't say, you think we could do it? He said, no. She said, no, no. And he said, has the van been loaded yet to go to Keller to clean the stuff for the day? And at this point, he's delving into a level of English that I'm not sure she understands conversationally. So she just kind of goes, uh, no. And he goes, well, since the van hasn't left yet,

I'm going to tell you what you're going to do. You're going to have my stuff and this gentleman right here's stuff ready by five today. Pointed at me. No, you're looped into it it was 9 10 and i go no i'm good actually uh because the sign outside says before nine why did you say that yeah why i said the sign outside says confrontation guy these before nine and it's 9 10 well i was confrontation guy because he was posting this lady up.

It's like a 75-year-old lady who speaks transactional English. Yeah. I've been going there forever. She's a sweet lady. And I just said, yeah, no, no. I don't need mine. It's after 9. Yeah.

And he's like, okay, all right. All right, today by 5. And she said, like, palm up. No. And he just kind of does like a smart ass smirk he turns around goes to the door and as the door is open and he's like you know i now you know what never mind he's like i'm gonna talk to the owner about this and she's like have a good day and he walks out and i you know walk up there with my stuff. She's so beaten. She was like, oh, make trouble. I was like, forget about that guy.

I was like, I don't need my stuff in any hurry. Whatever. Man. I like it. Yeah. I like new Jake. I hate it. You don't like new Jake?

No, I don't like that situation at all. I don't like the situation. But if somebody else wants to do it, I hate it. You don't like new Jake? No, I don't like that situation at all. I don't like the situation, but if somebody else wants to do it, like I wouldn't. I wasn't going to do it unless he put me in. I wasn't going to be like, um, excuse me sir, the scientist, but once he's like, because he looked at me and was like, oh, another possibly semi-affluent white

in Grapevine. He'll certainly join me. Yeah, he's not going to stand for this immigrant bullshit. Yeah. And I'm like, uh-uh, buddy. You're on your own over there. He'll join me. Yeah. He's not going to stand for this immigrant bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, buddy, you're on your own over there, little fella. I like it. Yeah.

You guys want to do some sports today? Heck yes. You want to say that Cowboys is going to be brought to you by Ownwell? I would absolutely like to say that. OwnWell is still around, huh? Well, yeah. Property tax bills for Texas homeowners will be due on January 31st. Oh, okay.

Property tax season ain't over, Dan. It's really never over. Right. It's really never over. You're throwing away money. You're also throwing away time trying to fight this on your own. Everyone I've ever talked to says it was a huge beating to do it, and then when they did it, they got a check for like $8.

I wish I would have gotten a check. That's not how it's going to go with OwnWell. You don't pay them unless they get you money back. They got an 86% appeal win rate, savings of around $1,100. And, again, you don't pay until after. It's a quick sign-up too, Dan. And also, apparently, they will charge less. They will take a little cut, but it's less than industry standard.

Industry standard might be like they'll take 50% of what you get. Usually, if you're going to get a better rate, you're going to have to pay up front. Yeah. Why not get both with OwnWell? Go to ownwell.com slash thedumbzone, ownwell.com slash thedumbzone. pay up front. Yeah. Why not get both with OwnWell? Go to ownwell.com slash the dumb zone. ownwell.com slash the dumb zone. Sign up quick. Blake did it. I'm absolutely doing it this time around.

Check him out. Alright. From the wonderful world of sports, radio sports, scoreboard. Oh yeah, I like that. Couple cowboy things quickly here today. One, I did not watch last night, but we will need to do it by tomorrow or Monday because the Cowboys' next opponent was featured in the debut episode

of in-season hard knocks AFC North last night. Oh, really? Yeah. Didn't know that that was happening. Yeah. I remember the announcement earlier this year, and I was talking about it and thinking, that seems kind of weird, but whatever.

The in-season ones. Boy, AFC North, that's good this year. Super juicy. Yeah. You've got the Field-Wilson situation. We got Jameis. You got Jameis. You've got, I mean, the Ravens are just the Ravens.

The Ravens, yeah. Derrick Henry. And then the Bengals, who are not boring either, ever. So, yeah, that's a— Oh, yeah, they're a mess. They've got the Jamar Chase situation heading into the season. Their offense is great right now. What's the spread?

Do you know yet? I think it was Cowboys plus five and a half last I saw. Wow. Let me check again. Man. Boy, that seems high, but I was hoping it was three and a half so I could just proclaim now that I'm triple playing the Bengals. Yeah, it's still five and a half.

I just kind of feel like their offense is humming along and the Cowboy defense is just the kind of defense that can be down 28-0 at half. Every single – yeah, I kind of feel like that's how it's going to go too, which will be great for our stream Monday night. Yeah. Every single stat you look at that is quote-unquote advanced, whether it's QBR or EPA,

so points added per play, Burrow is having an historic MVP season. He's number one in EPA, number three in QBR. If you were truly able to award a most valuable player with the V actually meaning valuable, he would win it this year. He's been insane. Their team is just a mess. actually meeting valuable, he would win it this year. He's been insane.

Their team is just a mess. And Josh Allen is also playing extremely well on a team that doesn't lose. Yeah, he's had a couple good games, big national games as well. The snow won't help, dude. Didn't they beat Lamar too? Yeah.

Yeah, so that's, he's probably locked it up. It they beat Lamar, too? Yeah. Yeah, so that's... He's probably locked it up. It's his to lose right now. Yeah. Yeah, and the Chiefs. Yeah, the Chiefs won, too. That's right. The Chiefs won?

They beat the Chiefs. I forgot about... They were the Chiefs' first loss. Oh, okay. Josh Allen, yeah. Let's see here. Wait, no. The Bills lost to the Ravens.

Did they also beat them? No. They wouldn't have played them twice, for sure. Oh, that's right. Yeah, no, the bills lost to the Ravens. Did they also beat them? No, they wouldn't have played them twice for sure. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Different vision. Yeah.

Well, also the Texans by three, but you're right. It's his, it's his to lose. So, uh, let's watch that over the weekend or tonight.

The news making portion of the Cowboys universe today was some comments that Dak made to Jory Epstein. Actually, I think it's Epstein now. Now as in I know it, not as in now as in she changed it. Changed it because of Jeffrey? Yeah. Good point. There was a really funny SNL sketch on Mulaney's episode

about a political candidate trying to run with the name Jeff Epstein. So she had Dak on, but I don't really understand the format. It's not a podcast. It's about a three-minute video. And I guess she just posted their Zoom call and wrote an article about it. But in any case, there's audio of it. And she asked Dak about what it's like to have your head coach and your offensive guy that you've been with for a few years on the last year of his contract without an extension because Dak had been through this before with Jason Garrett. For me, it's about control I can control. Obviously, I'm very fortunate to be coached by Jason Garrett

and to be able to reference this year to that last year in 2019 with him. It's still control what i can control help and support uh mike to every uh extent that i can um obviously it's unfortunate being heard your coach seems like he's playing on his last contract and almost feeling like you know i can't help feeling helpless and helping him in this situation especially the guy you believe in so much and you believe in being your head coach uh but but it's just continue to keep our conversations and just be real and help him in any way and help this team in any way that I can being the leader.

And obviously it's exciting when you see notes and comments Jerry makes about there being a possibility of re-signing the coach. What do you want fans to know about your belief in Mike McCarthy? That I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves a chance, another contract and a chance to coach this team amongst, and I guess you can say, more influence on his terms. but I wholeheartedly believe in him. The guys won a Super Bowl. I know Jerry's attested to that.

There's not many guys or coaches who have done that, and to have one that can do it from experience, and I know how valuable he's been for me. It's interesting that he says more on his own terms because while there were a whole litany of problems before Dak went down, the defense getting him in holes, being a big culprit. All the years they were good, McCarthy had an offensive coordinator. So why would it be now, boy, they just need to lean into it just being McCarthy.

Yeah, no, there's a lot in there, man. Starting with, I guess, that you said it in training camp like this is a different dac like he's feeling like a guy that gets paid 60 million dollars a year and i can say whatever i want all the time yeah like for him this is crazy like going out and saying stuff like this. Now, back when Garrett got let go or not brought back, I did remember there was a story that I think Brian Broadus said on the fan that he had heard Dak was unhappy they were moving on from Garrett. But there is a difference between this guy says he heard it from this guy and Dak just flat out saying, this dude deserves another contract. I want him as the coach, and he should be able to be more in charge. Right, publicly saying it right now during the season.

Yeah. I mean, even him saying at the beginning there, it feels like he's playing out his contract. Like, I don't know, even that is, yeah, everybody, you know, not everybody gets to get a shiny five-year extension ahead of time in the world, like even in the world of sports. But we have normalized that to where, I mean, head coaching, the head coaching union loves the thought of,

well, you can't be a head coach on your last year. You'll lose the room. Oh, okay. Cool. I guess I'm just always going to have to pay a head coach extra on his contract then when it's done. But more influence on his terms. I took that as Jerry.

Yeah. Certainly. That's a big part of it, but... But what part, like, so is it he wants to be able to have more influence on the draft? More influence in free agency? I mean, he left it real wide open there. More influence on not trading for Trey Lance?

More influence on, yes, saddling him with putting Trey Lance on the roster and saying that's it. Figured out. Obviously, he could make Trey Lance the third string. Doesn't have to make him second string right away. More influence on I don't want to put Zeke in there to get the first carry of the season, but I'm going to do that because

which is a tangled web because that's like Dak's best friend. Yeah. I don't know what exactly he means. It's not like McCarthy was in charge of the roster in Green Bay. Right, but is it just him

subtweeting Jerry that he's upset about this roster? Like Mike McCarthy is, because they have their little, famously, right, they talk every week. They have their little coffee or whatever where they talk about life. McCarthy and Deck. Yeah. Yeah. And things that aren't football and all that kind of stuff. But I'm sure part of that, much of that talk is football.

And it's like, yeah, I was telling Jerry, you know, I mean, before the season, yeah, we need an upgrade at wide receiver. And they were like, yeah, but we're paying CD 30 million. So you're going to make this work. Well, if nothing else, the fact also just that he referenced the Jerry quote on the fan. He said there's a chance. Dak's listening. Boy, they are really paying attention to that media for all they –

like, oh, we block out the noise. No, you don't. You're well aware of everything that is said. Elsewhere, the Cowboys put out on their YouTube channel and on their website their weekly sounds of the sideline because they won.

They won. Which is when they put out a seven, eight, sometimes 10-minute video of just a bunch of mic'd up stuff intertwined with actual play-by-play from Brad Sham in the video. Woof. Walk the dog.

But this one was kind of funny. This is late in the game when Micah got a sack. They got big pressure, and the sideline mics caught this. I think it actually, you know what, this starts with Cooper Rush had fumbled late in the game, if you recall, and recovered it, which he seems to do a lot. And Schottenheimer's talking to Rush. Hey, if you'd just like to take our breath away,

you're really good at recovering fumbles. If you'd just like to take our breath away, you're really good at recovering fumbles. You just like to take our breath away? You're really good at recovering fumbles. Great job. Hell of a job. I swear to God, I was rushing so hard today. If I didn't get home, I would have been like, bro, I'm in the coverage.

I'm just watching you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Kim gave me a three-hour massage last night. She loosened up my glute as tight as f***. Oh, God. Shout out to to my girl Kim, bro. Not literally my girl, my massage girl. Yeah, I think, bro. You can't have you getting in trouble for no reason.

Nah, facts. Kim is a massage therapist. They all want to be very clear in the air of Deshaun Watson that the reason I'm getting a great rush here is because I got a three-hour massage on my glute. Shout out to my girl, Kim. Not my real girl. Kim is a massage therapist.

Also, if he does have a real girl or if he's still just not have a real girl and wants everybody to know, I don't have a girl. Yeah, yeah. All the players around him immediately were like, massage, massage therapist. Mic is hilarious, man. I promise. He is hilarious. He's good in these mic'd up things, but mostly because what he does is the same thing he does on his podcast, right? Like, listen to this.

We just heard. Kim gave me a three-hour massage. Hold on. Back up right here. So hard today. If I didn't get home, I would have been like, bruh. That's it. I would have been like, bruh.

Bro, I was rushing so hard today. If I didn't get a sack, I would have been like, bro. That's mostly all he says during the games. Do you see CD, bro? You saw it. Whoa, bro. Bro. And then you didn't get it.

There was nothing from his podcast. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. He'll go around the NFL with somehow he's able to watch every single game. He has hot opinions on everybody. And, yeah, this week it was can you believe Saquon? Can you believe the Giants let Saquon go? Look at Saquon on the Eagles. The Eagles are really good.

He wants to be an Eagle really bad. I think he does. He is from PA. I think he does. He's talking about Howie Roseman. Howie did such a good job with that defense. Yeah. I will cut off my own balls live

on a YouTube stream if that happens. Boy, the subs we'd get for that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't need them anymore. No. My other football topic was.

Just to challenge dudes at the dry cleaner. That may go away. Yeah. The NFL's response and suspension to the Trevor Lawrence hit. So we got a. Three games. Three game suspension. How do you say dude's name again?

Al-Aziz Shahir? That sounded very not going to work here anymore. So Adam Sheffield. Yeah, Aziz Al-Shahir. Of the Texans. Yeah. Florida Atlantic? Is that right?

So John Runyon is apparently the VP of football operations, former Pro Bowl, probably all pro offensive lineman who was one of the toughest guys in the league, which is hilarious because as soon as his statement was posted, all of the replies are just John Runyon taking massive cheap shots at guys. John Runyon is replying? John Runyon works for the NFL.

Yeah. And so now it's just he issued this statement that I'm about to read you, and all the replies to the tweet are people on Twitter who just found clips of John Runyon when he was a player with like the dirtiest hits you'll ever see. Remember this? Okay. This feels well after the play.

But this is the statement. During your game against the Jaguars in the second quarter, you were involved in a play that the league considers unacceptable, a serious violation of the statement. During your game against the Jaguars, in the second quarter, you were involved in a play that the league considers unacceptable, a serious violation of the rules. Video shows you striking Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence as he clearly goes down on a feet-first slide, et cetera, et cetera. After a legal hit, you proceeded to engage in a brawl,

which you escalated when you pulled an opponent down to the ground by his face mask. After the referee announced you were DQ'd for the hit and your unsportsmanlike acts, you remove your helmet and re-engage with your opponent while walking down and across the field, which started another physical confrontation near the end zone, etc. Your lack of sportsmanship and respect for the game of football and all those who play, coach, and enjoy watching it is troubling and does not reflect the core values of the NFL. Bingo.

That's not who I am. This will not be tolerated. So you may not have known this, Dan, as somebody who watches football and enjoys watching football. In fact, he was disrespecting you. Oh, he disrestricted the fans too, it said there? Yeah. The T is very high on those things.

I do think it's weird that at the end of that play, because it's a late hit, it might be a – he probably got kicked out of the game right away. Yeah. But it's 15 yards. But then the after play scuffle results in penalties for both teams, and then Jacksonville didn't actually get 15 yards, right? Correct.

It was an offsetting penalties. That's wild. They should probably give them 15 yards, and then you offset the penalties after that because it's after the play type stuff to fix that. Nobody's really talking about that. I'm trying to be a rule guy and fix that. You seen what Tom Brady has said about it? I have.

Just a bit of victim blaming there. But you said this last week. Tom Brady, all right, you're a quarterback who used the rules to your advantage, but also did some sliding. I have to go with Tom Brady. If he says the quarterback... I don't know. Do you go with a

woman who says don't wear that outfit if you don't want guys to be commenting on your jugs. That's kind of what it is, right? I don't know that if you're going to dress like that,

expect to be raped. That seems a higher level, but it is a level of this argument, right? Yeah. And it's a, you got to protect yourself a little bit too. I think,

I think a lot, I think all those things can be true though. I think like, because I have a wife who has told daughters, not as far as dressing like a whore, but it's, you got to be careful where you got to be careful if you're walking alone at night. Should you have to? Would a perfect society be that I have to worry because I'm a female walking to an empty parking lot? You shouldn't have to, but you do.

So let's be smart about it. know maybe have a friend maybe whatever have somebody walk you to your car something like that you know just be logical that's not right you shouldn't have to it's wrong that a woman should be more worried than i am going to the car but it's the way it is um just the way it's also i'm I'm more worried than John Cena is, right? So, you know, there's levels of everything. So, yeah, if you are a quarterback, you shouldn't just assume – you know, I saw like a clip of Tom Brady sliding but kind of putting his foot up to protect himself against a potential hit,

whereas Trevor Lawrence is just like, oh, I started sliding. Everything will work out great. Everything's great. Yeah, like you still got to worry about yourself. You're still playing football. When you're turning right on red or whatever it is, you're going through the light. Should you also kind of watch to make sure nobody pulls out?

Or you could just assume that because that's the rules. Yeah. And then you might get hit. You might wreck your car. Very true. So I'm really with Tom Brady on that. Yeah, I agree.

It's a long way to say that. Uh, but I'm also interested in the other offshoot of this story, which is that, uh, we, which is that Aziz Al-Shahir, uh, wears, uh, cleats that support Palestine.

How do you think this played out online? I don't know who, what side is... Oh, well, like your daily wires and the... What side is the left and what side is the right on this Palestine? Well, it kind of depends. I mean, the Democratic Party in general is very supportive of Israel, the state of Israel. So is the other party, right? Yeah, but people who are like me, for example, might say there could be a little give and take.

The further you go to the left, you might have some opinions that are like, all right, maybe it's some their fault. Let's at least say we could work. Yeah, okay. A little Tom Brady on the slide thing. There you go. But I don't think that's how Aziz Al-Shayer feels. I think he feels it is all Israel's fault.

Okay. And he wears cleats that support Palestine. He posts about it a lot. And he... That's not helping him and his public? No, especially not when he broke the bones of golden white boy. So like your daily

mails, these daily mail, the website, these sort of places are really, they're really having a field day here with it and to his either credit detriment or just note Aziz is leaning into it as he posted a photo last night on his Instagram of just the Joker

of Joaquin Phoenix's Joker with you want me to be your villain I'll be your villain right next to a verse from the Quran too, by the way. Okay, that's probably not going to help him get the suspension reduced. No, and he is appealing too. That's what I mean.

If I'm John Runyon, I just hold up this photo. I was like, now, have you seen the Joker? Maybe wait till the appeal's over. That's a fun one. That's what I got on NFL. Can we talk a little Mavs? Yeah. Two, three, four.

We're back at it tonight at Washington Who What was the streak Blake? Or what is the streak? 7 of 8? Is that what you're talking about? No no no The Wizards started out the year 2-2 Dan They're now 2-17.

Oh, man. They participated in No Win November. No Win November. They were 0-14 in November. They last won on October 30th. You're going to want to get this one done. Are you a Wizards fan, Rob? No.

He bailed after they changed it from the Bullets because he was like man this magic stuff is a lame at least it solved gun violence in dc though when they changed the name yeah right yeah the tuesday night game though dude against memphis to get them into the uh no one cares cup quarter dude I can tell you this. They care. What, money? Yes.

And it just looks cool to be like, hey, we're going to go. All these guys played in tournaments. Then they get half a mil each if they win. And a couple of different guys referenced it in their on-floor interviews. Yeah, I got some reasons for wanting this. Half a million of them.

But even besides that. Even if you make 40. Yeah. Probably another half is pretty sweet. Just another, just throw it on there. It's like 510 or something. I'm kind of on board with the courts too now. Man, some of them are good, but the Maslin I can't do.

I just know they're so wild, but it's like I'm watching the, you know, it's like you're on acid or something. You're watching the tune squad, you know? It's fun. Yeah, I do like some of them, but it really just comes down to like, does this hurt my eyes? And the Mavs one. Sometimes it does, yeah. It's a little much for me.

The two, the, if it's a royal blue or like true red, that just pops so hard that. But it's just such a, it's a little sliver of the season it's a long season yeah every game doesn't have to look like uh the boston gardens of uh 1984 or whatever so yeah i'm in i do enjoy the whole the battle that goes on of like i'm just i look at it and i'm kind of like you i'm like this is kind of cool um but i don't hate it to where I want to make fun of it, and I'm also not like a team employee or a league employee. Like Falwell, also because he's really into soccer, he's really into this.

Into the cup or the floors? The cup. Okay. Harper is kind of like this is a basketball game. And Skin is into it to the point where, you know, like Evan Grant last night tweeted something to the effect of, like, does everyone have NBA Cup fever out there? And Skin responded to him.

Good. But, dude, that game just was an incredible game. It's two teams that were both playing two of the hottest teams in the league, at least the conference. They're both really good. Two teams that were both playing. Two of the hottest teams in the league, at least the conference. They're both really good. And that was just a hell of a basketball game. The Mavericks were down.

Let me go back to the notes here. They were down like. 101-86. 101-86. They were down 106-97 with 313 of no field goals from either team. So it was a stretch where the Mavs kept getting stops and kept getting stops, stop after stop and just couldn't score. It's like, all right, well, this one's over. And they're down eight with 330 left.

And we got to see the game somewhat turn on a new rule. Like, I don't know how much Mavs you've watched this year, but what do you know about the proximate foul? Explain. This is because of Kyrie. Last year in the playoffs, I can't remember who it was that was taking a shot, but it might have been Shea. It might have been Shea Gilgis-Alexander.

They reviewed who a ball had gone off of. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was a foul in the background that was obvious, and they were like, well, there's nothing we can do about that. Yes, the ball had gone off of him because of that foul. But they didn't call a foul. So they had to award it to the Mavs or whoever, whichever team. Might have been Minnesota.

It doesn't matter, but yeah. It was like somebody grabbed the arm, pushed it to the Mavs or whoever, whichever team. Might have been Minnesota. It doesn't matter, but yeah. It was like somebody grabbed the arm, pushed it into the ball, the ball hit out of bounds, and then game two of Timberwolves. And then they called it, yeah, see, that's Mavs' ball. Yeah, but he grabbed his arm and hit it, yeah. Well, they call it now. Okay. They changed it.

You're allowed to, upon watching the review? The refs are allowed to decide that. Okay. If it's proximity. So, like, if it's 20 feet away, upon watching the review? The refs are allowed to decide that. Okay. So if it's 20 feet away, I don't think that that's going to happen. But in this case, there was a ball that clearly went off Derek Lively.

Baseline. And he got raked pretty hard on the arm. And it really didn't cause the ball to go out. It was going to go out off him, but he got hit really, really hard right there in the same motion. And so they sent him to the line. He was like one of five on free throws going into that. And then he hit two of them and the run really got going and it got going

because, so is that not the way you think that rule should be applied? Because I do think the rule should be applied that way if indeed the foul had something to do with. I guess let me walk that back. You could probably make the case it had something to do with it. To me, it looked like whether he got raked on the arm or not, that ball was going off of him because he was like the last guy to the boundary.

Yeah. And the ball got hit in. So it's like that's probably going to hit you either way. So there are going to be times when it's not as logical that they use the But it was so obvious that they decided to call it. Okay. So he hit both those. We had just a flurry, dude.

Dinwiddie, this is why Dinwiddie's here. There's going to be a stretch during the season where you're like they have to get this guy off the floor and out of the rotation. But there will also be four or five game stretches where he looks like an all-star. He's just the quintessential bench guard now.

But isn't that what makes it weird that he didn't do anything with the Lakers? Yeah, those numbers were terrible. They never used him at all. I'm a big Dinwiddie fan, as you know. Turns out he's really good playing with Luka. Yeah. Yeah.

Because those shots down the stretch were wide open. He's also probably in a great mood because of Bitcoin right now. True. He's a big BTC guy. Yeah. Oh, didn't it go over 100? 103. Yeah.

I got a text from my Bitcoin buddy. Did you sell? No. I sold at like 40K. I had like a quarter of a coin. 100 grand would be cool, Dan. Well, he's not going to give it to you, so no matter how long you look at it. No, I'm just saying.

That's a century mark. it'd be cool to so uh he hits a couple from the same spot threes in transition it's pandemonium in there follow i was losing his mind the grizzlies are falling apart and on the line was the mavericks getting into this cup situation and for a time because there was another game going on you thought they were gonna have to win by at least four and they were down you know 11 with five minutes so i was like this ain't happening and it all happened and they ended up winning very comfortably despite the fact that they had more turnovers in a game than they have as a team in 29 uh since 2019. Both teams turned the ball over like 30 times. Kyrie, not good. Klay Thompson

continued to give you nothing. And they still beat a top team in the West. And I'm prepared to tell you, this is the best Mavericks team of my lifetime. Wow. Look at either 06 or 2011 and look at the rosters. Mavericks team of my lifetime. Wow.

Look at either 06 or 2011 and look at the rosters. This is the most complete team they've ever had. On either of those teams, let's start at the big man position. Derek Lively's better than anybody they've had in the last 20 years at that spot. Well, he's better than any center they've ever had, right? Yeah. You might be able to throw Tyson Chandler one year, but offensively defense, I don't know. He's, I would take him bolstered by the fact that he's not backed up by damp or Brendan Haywood, Scafford,

the combination, uh, like Lucas better than Dirk was during those runs. Then the 2011 run for sure. Maybe not. Oh. And then your second star, Kyrie's the best second player they've had since the 80s. And then just the rest of the roster. Now, the problem is there's a lot of really good teams with good players, but they're fun, man. They play great defense and they have killers everywhere. Very, very fun team. I wanted to play you guys one quick video that I saw posted because Lively had missed the game prior with a knee hyperextension. Najee was still out for the Memphis game. Sick.

He still got your crud. So Lively was out. I think he had like 15, 11, and four blocks, three blocks. He was everywhere. And this is a video of him walking into the locker room, and he sees Michael Finley and Nico, the two guys who run the team now. He just looked over at Nico and gave him the, did y'all miss me?

Shit. He's awesome. And he's going to be here for a long, long time. You're going to get at least a second contract. Dude, let's give it to... You've got eight, nine years of this guy. Give it to Nico, man. Give it to Mark Cuban, who hired Nico.

Yeah. Let's give him the credit, because Nico is awesome. And I didn't like it at all, and especially after his first... You know, he learned on the job a little bit. He made some mistakes early on. But how in the hell did he turn it around like he did? Like, take a look at their roster from four years ago and to become what it is now it's not just like the names it's that he inherited

the kp situation and you lost brunson for nothing it isn't like well i turned brunson into this this and this or whatever right you actually just lost him for zero. Yeah, you had the KP situation. Like, you somehow got out of all of that, turned it all around, added the right pieces, tanked, angered Luka for making him tank, but then it ended up with Derek Lively, ended up with Kyrie, traded his best friend to get Kyrie. I don't know, man.

It's incredible. It's really incredible. And then we even said it last year. Hey, did I see something? I thought I saw somebody say that I can't believe Reggie Bullock is out of the league. Is he out of the league? That makes sense. Yeah.

Like just a couple years ago, he was playing 40 minutes a night. Yeah, like he was their defensive guy for the playoffs. Every game. What if he was their 13th man now? Why not bring Reggie back? I was thinking about another guy who's one of those type guys. Somebody from Mavs Twitter posted this video the other day. Do you guys remember Al Farouk Aminu?

Oh, of course. That guy was awesome. He was a Reggie Bullock type. You've had one year with Dallas, it's like, oh my God, where'd this guy come from? And then I think the Blazers gave him a pretty big deal and he was out of the league three years later. Mm-hmm.

No, Mavs Twitter wants to bring Dorian back. Let's go. Anytime you want. Is he... He's being shopped, I think. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think I saw something on that.

Like, they want a first-rounder? I don't think the Mavs have any of those. I don't know. You give up a first-rounder. No, they don't need anything. Other than the fact that they have to play Maxie some, and he is... He's done, bud.

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So they kind of did early National Signing Day, and now everyone just does it, and regular signing day in February doesn't matter, kind of. Do I have that right, Blake? No, none of them matter. Yeah, that's true. It doesn't because you'd be somewhere else next year. Exactly.

So Eastern Michigan, they announced a big signing. This is an outside linebacker class of 2025. He's currently, according to 24-7 Sports, the 184th ranked linebacker and prospect number 1,958 in the class. So definitely a guy you've heard of before. If we could put the image on the screen there. He is headed to eastern Michigan. That's right.

Noah Naysayer. Remember we got a clip from his dad. His dad is a coach, actually, right? Yeah. That's how we figured out how to say his name. Yeah. James Adams of tristatefootball.com here with Coach Ryan Kanega. Coach, you get the win, 34-27.

Now, if you're going to say his last name, you want to say it very fast, as James does here. Let's see here. Football.com here with Coach Ryan Kanega. Coach. Blend it with the first word, you know. Yeah, you don't want to be like, K. Right.

Yeah. And you could tell the level of importance was getting past that. He really didn't have a question in mind. No. He had just practiced his intro over and over and over. Oh my gosh. So once he landed it, he's like, uh, you got the win. Yeah, how'd that feel? It was Noah Kaniga. I was really

He became real famous, viral last year. The replies to the tweet were all like, boy, this coach is going to be in a spin cycle trying to motivate him on the sideline. It's just Noah. Yeah, it's got to just be Noah. You can't use a last name, nickname. Imagine yelling that last name loudly.

Do you think the radio guys are just like, oh, shoot. You got to be kidding me, bud. That or they're excited like the fans in Green Bay. But John Coop is in the mix. They're like, free pass. Every tackle. Did I see that the Aggie quarterback has said he's leaving? Marcel Reed?

Or the other one? Let's see. One of them's got to go. Yeah. One of them said he's leaving. I don't think I marked it. Yeah, so he is. And that's funny because I saw a video the other day.

But it said he wants to go somewhere where he can compete for a playoff. I mean, he – Oh, here it is, yeah. He was fairly highly regarded as a high school quarterback. Weigman? Yeah, Connor Weigman. I feel like my best football is ahead of me. I wasn't able to reach my full potential where I was at.

I know what I'm capable of. I can bring to a team and a program. He hopes to find a landing spot where can bring to a team and a program. He hopes to find a landing spot where he can lead a team to the college football playoff and fight for the national championship. So where is he going to coach? I'm telling you,

two years ago, this guy was a very big deal. It does happen. He was offered by Auburn, Arkansas, Colorado. He was a five-star. Really, the transfer portal is great for Oklahoma. It's probably great for everything, right?

Texas. Or no offer from Oklahoma. I look forward to early December. Do you hate the transfer? I hate it. Hate it for your own team. I really hate it. But if you are stuck behind someone and a quarterback,

quarterbacks, you know, there's always a team that might be able to use an upgraded quarterback. I don't know. I've been thinking a lot about college football and just the portal. Are you fired up about the prospective playoff or just all the controversy that goes into it? Dude, are you kidding me? This weekend is going to be pure insanity. Do you think the 12-team playoff is a good bit?

I think it needs some work. I think it'd be better if it were eight. Should they have stepped this up instead of going right from four to 12? Yeah. Because now the one seeds that are their conference champions doesn't really make sense. Yeah, it doesn't. And then the fact that conference championship games even still exist

is kind of weird. Or even last week, Clemson loses to South Carolina, which is, you're done. You can't lose to South Carolina. But then Syracuse loses, or no, Syracuse beat Miami, right? So now all of a sudden, Clemson's in the ACC championship game against SMU. SMU's in the ACC? It's stupid. Where did this happen?

And then, so now if Clemson wins, they're in. Yeah. And there's no way they're a playoff team. They're not a lot better as the year went on, but you're right. And they'll have a bye. And they'll have a bye. Yeah, they probably will, yeah. No, yeah, the conference championship winners will have a bye.

I know. Well, and so Notre Dame can't ever have a bye? No, but that's the incentive to join a conference. Yeah. And they signed off on it. No, they know what they're getting into. And they'll join a conference eventually. Or this will look different.

I hate it. That's the thing. The Big Ten and SEC team up, and they've just got their – That's going to happen. But that weekend where there's home playoff games for some of these schools – It's going to be amazing. Yeah. It'll be really fun to watch.

But if you're a one seed, you don't get a home playoff game? No. No. That seems like detrimental as well in some way. Yeah, I mean, it's detrimental financially. Have you seen? I can't remember where I saw it or if I heard it. That's really the only way it would matter.

Someone else had this. I wish I invented it, but the thought was some kind of a relegation system in college football where you have a top 30. Like, we're looking five or 10 years down the road now. Because you're going to have your top 30 or so with the Big Ten and the SEC together anyway. But then there are other teams. I don't know.

How would you do it? You would have to start it at the end of a year or something with the top 40 ranked teams. And they're in the the big conference and you could only get into that conference if you were able to earn your way in and every year like three or four teams would drop out and some would come up i don't hate it but the problem is that relegation in england or any of those countries is determined by wins losses and goal differential so we can do you get a vote you. So what you're going to do, you're going to vote.

You don't think that's going to get messy? You're going to have a – you can't use the AP poll or the coach's poll. I guess you could do the same thing you do to the playoff and just have them do it for 40 teams. But if you did it for 40 teams and do it by wins, losses, and point differential, so now the bottom five always drop out. Well, yeah, but they play even schedules in Europe. They play a balanced schedule, I'm pretty sure.

So, you know, it's the same argument we have now about SMU getting into the playoff. Yeah. Despite, and SMU's good, but. So as commissioner of my NCAA football league on my Xbox. Yeah. I can chime in. Oh, that's right. because I have a relegation system I've made. You created it. Yeah, because you can move teams around conferences every year.

And so what I do is tier one east and tier one west is ten teams in each tier. You play nine conference games, no conference championship. The national championship is tier one East versus Tier 1 West, and then you've got Tier 1 through 5 just based on location. If you win your conference, you move up. If you're last place in your conference, you move down. Simple as that. Just hold this guy up at the Gaylord or wherever they stay.

Is that the game that you were playing in the DZ RV? Yeah, and this is why I spend more time in the menu than I do playing the actual game. A lot of menu screen time. I have way more fun organizing the league and all that other stuff. But yeah, I would much prefer that than Oregon in the Big Ten or whatever. Just base it off of geography, and the top teams compete against each other.

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So every Thursday, we do the big viewer mail mailbag. Because everyone else would do it on Friday. That's how different we are. Yeah. No. Zig when zagging. Drop Beth checks in and says, hey, fellas, I'm going to disappear for a while. Surgery.

Coming up in a few weeks. Drop Beth, as you recall, had cancer. So it's a boo-yay situation. She had cancer. That's a boo. You don't want cancer. But the yay is she's going to end up with bigger jugs. I thought you were going to say the yay is that she's alive.

And caught it fast enough. Didn't spread. Well, I'm going from my own point the yay is that she's alive. And caught it fast enough. Didn't spread. Well, I'm going from my own point of view on this one. Sure. Your own POV. So she says, happy football. She'll be back. And better than ever, folks.

That's right. Hey, Bean Sniffers. Whoa. This is from Dustin. He says, the Nintendo switch is called so called because it's able to switch between being played on tv and being played handheld weren't we debating or what was the deal with this was it you guys when i was gone my question remains it could because blake never answered it yeah the issue is not the switching it's just why the point is why would you we'll reset it well we were trying to get you to get a nintendo wii because it's really fun and you

play with your kids and some people were telling you to get a nintendo switch which I'm not 100% familiar with. But you talked like you were. Eh. Kinda. I got the Switch. How is it? Well, it's not. Santa's got a Christmas present. Lame. We broke the elf out this morning. He says there's... Also lame. Oh, no. Yeah, and I got a week and a half of, almost a week and a half of solo duty on that

bad boy. Oh, no. And there's two of them. My wife, that was late night Dan era. Well, it'll be early morning, boy. Oh, no. There's two of them. My wife, that was late night Dan era. Well, it'll be early morning dad. So, yeah, it was terrible when I'd forget. Why? Oh, my God. Why? Why what?

Why do you do this? Conform to society. Yep. Because it works. Really? It does work. Better not fucking let Snowflake see this shit. Sucks.

You know what's... Great games on Switch. Sucks. You know what's... Great games on Switch, You know what she'll do, don't you? She'll tell Santa. I lost a little bit of respect for you. I should have had some

of the bank after the cleaners this morning. No, that was also lame. The Switch has great games like Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild. Pass. There's also a Switch

version of the old Wii Sports. It's got all that. I hope it has like the 100. It's not as good. Does it have 100-pin bowling? I love 100-pin bowling. Wii Tennis was great. Unfortunately, there are no video game adaptations of the boys on the Switch, he says.

We were talking about the Bills Stadium, and I got this dear Uncle Meatbeater. On Monday's show, you were talking about the new Bills Stadium, saying it would be a dome. That's not the case. The seats will be covered, but it's an open-air stadium. That looks like quite a bit

of a cover. Technically, SoFi is an open stadium, and that's if you look at it, it's a dome. All right. Justin says, also the boys and Gen V, best shows on TV. Boy, they really went out there and did a spinoff that quick, huh? On unicorns, hey, Phallus in Wonderland, unicorns are not birds, nor can they fly. I think you're thinking of a pegasus from Justin.

Yeah. That one slipped right past me. Oh, you know what? Here it is. Here's the email I got. I will tell you, like, My Little Pony, they're billed as unicorns, and they definitely can fly. There you go.

F you, Justin. Yeah. There you go. F you, Justin. Yeah. This is Dear Fold Forager and his fellow velvet voyagers. I did not nail the landing on that. This is from Blink182 Brandon. He's the guy that sent an email about college sports going to a...

Relegation? A relegation system. Three to four divisions. Basically, top group is the top five power school. Anyway, I want to stop. No, no. You okay? No.

He has a great email, and I can't read any of it now. Well, I mean, I pretty much told you before why it's stupid. Okay. So you thought it was so good you read any of it now. Well, I mean, I pretty much told you before why it's stupid. Okay. So you thought it was so good you wanted to read it twice. Dear Pioneer, the Pink Taco, as an expert in being a Buccaneers fan, I want to tell you the female reporter that asked obnoxious

questions to Baker Mayfield is named Jenna Lane. L-A-I-N-E. She always asks those, how does it make you feel type questions Oh wow Apparently someone's done a little research And Jack is furiously typing at his phone

Over there No come look at my screen She's the one root female Sideline reporter Or whatever What? I'm saying yeah But she's not a sideline reporter or whatever. What? No, he's being sarcastic. I'm saying, yeah. But she's not a sideline reporter, though,

and let's not act like the entire press corps of either gender is fit for TV. Come on. If you need an expert in being a Bucs fan, give me a call from Rich. I read that, too. I thought that was a really weird offer. And finally, we have a Gay Not Gay.

Okay. Dear Counter of the Chocolate Starfish Wrinkles. I have to think on that one. Why? I saw this hypothetical on Reddit yesterday It seems up your alley Alright, this is some NSFW stuff it looks like here Imagine a genie

Gives your wife a penis for 20 minutes Okay It's her wish Alright, Blake, are you with me? Okay minutes. Okay. It's her wish. All right, Blake, are you with me? Okay. Go along with this. This is from Paul. Good listener.

Every time we have Jimmy Nelson on, we do these ridiculous hypotheticals. Oh, yeah. I think those are actually pretty good shows. Jake's talking about how to approach 20 inches of dudes. Okay, let's get this over with. So she's got a penis. All right, let me talk to Jake. What do I got to do?

Here you go, bud. Trust me. Who cares? Hold on. Yeah, I'll jerk it off. Imagine a genie gives your wife a penis for 20 minutes. This is her wish. During that 20 minutes, she says she wants a beach just to know what it's like.

Would you do it? He says, is that gay? Or is there a genie rule? What does that mean? Like it's a genie exemption on being gay. I don't know. That's why I'm reading this whole email. Go ahead, Jake.

Blake's right. That one's not that Yeah, no, that one is not. Blake's right. That one's not that great. I think that one's great. Well, I mean, if you can take the genie role, otherwise you're just super excited to suck somebody off. But it's your wife. She's asking you.

No, but this feels very much like the. This feels very much like. I'd be like like get your sister instead well hold on this feels very much like the heather locklear or a million dollars if you get the genie out then it can't be would it's basically just would you rather suck somebody's dick or not the better somebody it's your better hypothetical you know it's a temper this would you rather do it or let her co-worker guy, this kind of her work husband that you know she's actually really into,

would you rather him do it while you watch? Now, at play there is he's kind of being emasculated. But I have to watch a dude? Suck on a weenie? No, I don't know. Hold on. Hold on. I just don't want to watch a dude

doing that ever okay well then you have to have the penis unless it's a genie see what I'm saying so you no in the watch scenario

there's two things at play one he's you probably already hate him because he's your wife's work husband he's being emasculated a bit and you're seeing it like ah ha ha cock in your mouth

but he's also pleasuring your wife. And she might love it and be like, wow, I knew he could get me there. So I can't get my wife to have her best friend do it for her? That's too easy. Yeah, that's Heather Locklear for a million dollars. Right. So what's in this for you again?

That's why the original hypothetical sucks, because you can just choose no. He just says she wants it. Is it gay? Okay, so the exemption is gay. So if you do it, is it gay? No. Yes.

Interesting. We'll have to get Steven here to solve this. At the end, she's being like, oh, that's what it feels like, you homo. Yeah, there may be some lasting effects there, you know. I always knew you had

it in you. Or, if you want to spin it positive, which is all you can really do each and every day, Blake, maybe you teach her a little something, and next time it's your turn, you're like, oh, where'd you learn that? Hmm. Okay, okay we're gonna have to talk to vj boyd here in a second and now how a degenerate dumpster dweller found hope to fight his demons and follow the light back into the arms of his neglected family jake arrived in rehab and the first two nights, he didn't sleep.

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seen one of those in a long time. They're setting up for their Christmas party, and I haven't got my invite, so I was wondering if we will indeed go, because now I'm Christmas party guy. I was against it, but now I had a great time. There's a flyer on the men's bathroom door that says you are invited.

Oh, really? Mm-hmm. Do a little networking? Yeah. Sure, really? Mm-hmm. Do a little networking? Yeah. Sure. It'll be great. That was kind of a long break, but we had to wait for Jack to finish his apple slices.

It's cute how he brought his own peanut butter, too. Jack's the best, man. Jack, can you ride a bike? Okay. Are you just thinking kids these days can't ride bikes Yeah I have a standard list of questions Which we'll delve into deeper one day When we do what's Jack's bit What is Jack's bit We need to find out

Joining us now BJ Boyd Hello From Hollywood. My 26-year-old sister does not know how to ride a bike. It's a thing. We always... And also, that's not an energy bar.

That's a Nature Valley bar. It's very crumbly. That's what I was going to say. It's one of the most crumbly bars, and that is not something you want to be eating when you're coughing. It's just going to get in there and make you cough more. I'm on your side. I'm trying to help you. Thank you. No, I

have been coughing a lot lately. When I saw that bar, I thought, boy, that thing is sandpaper. It's messy. It is messy. I still got half of each one. Also, not exactly sure there's much nutritional value to it. There's no protein in it. A lot less calories than the other

protein bars. I think it's made of oats and Elmer's glue, possibly. Hopefully they're not a sponsor. Oats. Oats. Got oats. That sounds good. Yeah, Elmer's was a sponsor. Thanks a lot. Oh, man. That's tough. VJ Boyd.

Writer. Producer. Showrunner. Showrunner. Hot dude. Thank you. He has lots of books. Wrote a graphic novel. Those are just props, I think. Didn't you write a graphic novel?

I wrote a couple of graphic novels. I wrote one called Ghost Cop, which I essentially wrote out of spite because I pitched the idea in the Justified Room. I was like there should be ghost cop and this could be the plot and everyone made fun of me so I was like okay I'm gonna just do that as a comic book then and uh and then I did night moves with IDW which is better it's really good actually well wrote that first one with your brother right yeah I wrote both with oh you wrote Justin yeah okay yeah i didn't know your brother was in the game as well i think he was a tv writer he was in before no no he's younger than me yeah

you know i pulled him out yes he was in academia um getting paid uh nothing to work 60 hours a week and he's like well how about i get paid to work 60 hours a week so he wrote around fear the walking dead actually which had coleman domingo in, who is in my show The Madness that just came out. Look at that segue. Yeah, there you go. Which dropped over the Thanksgiving weekend, I want to say, just last weekend. That's right, on Thanksgiving, which also the 28th was Coleman's birthday, which was all coincidental, supposedly. But maybe there are no coincidences.

So I hope you all watched it while you were eating your turkey or ham. You know, we should really rank the, you know, I'm teasing. That's a good idea. Maybe a bracket. No, it must be doing really well because I flipped on my Netflix. I hadn't watched it Thanksgiving. I was busy with family and doing charity work. with family and doing charity work.

But I fired up Netflix last night, and it's staring at me right away. I hadn't put it in yet on my watch list. It's on the top 10 list. Yeah, it's right there. It was number one in 41 countries for a few days. And who would have thought there were 41 countries? Oh, my gosh.

You can't even name them. I don't know. There's like 20 stands. So once you get over there, you know, that gets a little bit weird. No, but I watched the first episode and I am extremely in. And I don't know. It feels very much just knowing you a little bit personally. I was surprised that this was not a pilot you pitched and that you joined after the concept had been created because, you know, the idea that there is a very successful black man who is in content who somehow has to set out to take down a global white supremacist conspiracy. I don't know.

I'm like, Vijay definitely wrote this show. Well, I mean, one of the things that attracted me to it is that it's a conspiracy thriller. And I mean, listen, I mean, let's all be honest. Like, why did they come to like me as opposed to like a white guy? Because Steve Belber, who created it, who wrote the pilot, you know, he's a white guy. He's writing about black characters. So, you know, we you know, they had to like partner him with someone of color, as they say. And so I was one of the like nine people they met with. And I really, I want, I've always wanted to do a conspiracy thriller.

I mean, I love like Three Days of the Condor and all those 70s paranoia thrillers. And I will say that I, as much as I wanted to do one now that I've done one, and when you're trying to sit in there for six months, like working on the conspiracy and every time you get notes from the network and you'd change one little thing, it's like Jenga and it changes the conspiracy. I don't know if I ever want to do a conspiracy thriller, but I think, I think we did a good job, but I'm very hard on the plot and the specifics and making sure it all makes sense in the end and i i think i did a good job uh but yeah that's what attracted me to it is you know i want to do something

conspiracy thriller and yes sure i can identify with certain things about muncie daniels who's you know coleman domingo's character who's the main character who's this cnn guy teaches that you pin on the top of the world or feels like he is, but he's kind of lost his way. And so through this, through unraveling this conspiracy, which he doesn't even want to do, he just wants to not be framed anymore. He just it's kind of a reversal of remember in The Fugitive, Tommy Lee Jones famously is like, I don't care when Harrison Ford's like, I didn't kill my wife. don't care when harrison ford's like i didn't kill my wife and in a way we kind of reverse that where muncie people keep trying to tell him oh but it goes all the way to the top and it's this and pull this string and he's like i don't care i just want out of this you know which i thought was fun yeah it's interesting because i read a couple interviews that you did uh one with your

co-creator and one on your own and it was something that struck me watching the first episode. And yes, the race angle is very interesting to me because there are times when the character seems to forget he's black, but that may also be because I just think of what I conceive of being a black man, like where you constantly have to be a little bit on guard. And there are times where he's really not. But it also does fit with my idea of black male to be like, I don't really want anything to do with whatever you guys have going on over there. Leave me out of it.

So it's a super interesting character. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of our writers in the room, you know, because a lot of our writers were black. Also pointed that out also when we got in the room because of course again steve belber had already written the pilot although we rewrote a lot of it um he and i did like steve didn't write the n-word into the pilot did he you know what's so funny is i did write that scene and uh and he was like my name's the only name on this people are gonna think i think I wrote that word. I'm like, dude, it's fine. I'll just tell them I wrote it, which I did.

But no, but when we started the room and a lot of the black writers were like, did this guy forget he's black? And it's a thing where it's like, but for this character, I buy it. Because again, he's, I hate to use this comparison, but you remember in the OJ documentary, he's like, I'm not black. I'm OJ. Yeah. Right. And I think that is different, right?

Yeah. I think that Muncie feels that way. He feels like he can go into spaces he wouldn't have been able to before. And, and so he forgets who he is, which he shouldn't, he shouldn't even have to think about it. Right. You know, and that's a thing that I think goes unstated mostly. I mean, his, his ex-wife does point out to him. can't remember the pilot of their second episode like what the hell were you doing walking around that white man's property begin with right um and and we did make some changes you know to accommodate because originally in steve's original pilot

muncie goes to the door he's like he sees there. The door's open. He goes in. He goes upstairs. He finds the body in the room. And a lot of the writers were like, this is insane. He would never do that. BJ, would you do that? And I was like, okay, I wouldn't do that either. Okay. So just leaning in. So we changed it. Cracking open the door, being able to see it right there. That's... Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty fascinated by something you've talked to us about already, but maybe it was on a football stream or something, just that this is new for you working with Netflix.

And that when you're on Justified, let's say, for example, you write, but you're writing,, the season isn't done when you're doing episode two, right? So you haven't even finished writing. What are you like two or three episodes ahead? How does that work? Yeah, like I would say, I mean, because I've done it on basic cable and on broadcast and like on SWAT, we would be, well, we were pathologically ahead on SWAT because that's just how Sean Ryan is. So we were like five or six episodes ahead. But excuse me, normally with broadcast, like when I did Lincoln Rhyme, which no one needs to go watch, the pilot's good.

But when I did the Lincoln Rhyme show, we were like two episodes ahead, maybe three because it catches up to you so fast because they're giving you notes and you're having to go back and do things. And on Justified, we were probably three episodes ahead. So yeah, really long answer to a short question. But yeah, around three episodes. But we have talked, we talked then. so netflix it's all in the can you had the whole thing written before you even start shooting is there ever a time though because

we've talked about uh the fact that like breaking bad is a great example of once they air something while they're not really reacting to internet chatter or something like that but they could really see the jesse and waltz uh chemistry was great like weren't they famously going to kill off jesse in episode two something like that and then they decided to well gosh this guy this is electric when he's on screen and when they're together, and it ended up, you know, obviously what could Breaking Bad have been without Jesse? I think I have all that right. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that's correct.

I believe that's correct, yes. I mean, I'm sure there's countless examples. But you don't get that opportunity then, or do you somewhere, even when you're shooting, do you then tweak later in the season? You're constantly, yeah, you're constantly tweaking, but it's not the same. It's not the same because you don't have like a finished episode to look at.

So yes, like we wrote them all, then we produced them all, then we were in post and editing them all. So there were, I think, more things in post that we had to go back and do ADR, which is when you're adding words over their back or where they're not looking to make things make sense

or we ended up cutting entire characters. But no extra filming, though. In post, you can't call everybody back in. We can. There are shows that do. Like the Marvel shows famously do that. Like I knew one of the three showrunners that did Echo,

which was the Hawkeye spinoff, and they basically reshot that entire thing like twice on the Hawkeye show. They shot half the season and then went back and reshot them. So they have that money. But no, we did not do that. But yeah, no, I know exactly what you're saying. And that is the downside of having them all in the can. Because then you're there day one and you're seeing the Kweisi character and Muncie interact.

And you're like, oh crap, they really work together. We need to add more scenes with the two of them. And you can do it, but you don't have the luxury of being able to do it during the workday. Because they're on set during the work together. We need to add more scenes with the two of them. And you can do it, but you don't have the luxury of being able to do it during the workday because they're on set during the workday. So now we have to go home in the evening and rewrite a scene for the next episode and then coordinate with production

because we're shooting it in two weeks. So it makes it all more difficult. So it's not impossible, but it makes that aspect more difficult, yes. Okay, you might have also answered a question I had, but by saying you write it, then you shoot it, then you do post, like you don't really do a focus group on an episode or something. It's interesting. I don't know if Netflix does focus groups. If they do, I don't remember them mentioning it to us. We weren't a part of it. Like when I was doing Lincoln Rhyme, we were there

for the focus group. And it was just like on TV. We're looking at them through the glass where they can't see us and making fun of the ones who don't like our ideas. And sometimes you get good ideas from them and sometimes you don't. But we were part of that process with Netflix. Maybe they do it. Maybe they don't. But we never heard about it. I guess maybe they trust in their metrics more than in human being focus groups. Okay, because I know that's a big thing with movies. I think it's Get Out changed the ending because of a focus group. You ever heard that story? I actually did not know that.

That's fascinating, actually, because that was also a passion project for Jordan Peele. So I'm surprised by that, that he would be willing to change it. That's good. Because he went to jail. fascinating actually because that was also a passion project for for jordan peele so i'm surprised by that that he would be willing to change it that's good because he went to jail yeah in uh his original i guess really yeah depressing wouldn't have been a hit right right yeah that would have been more realistic yeah very real life but uh yeah i read something else that you said about netflix of just the notes that they give you back and how it's different with streamers than it is with uh broadcast or even with cable that they're not as focused in your scripts on what's happening next what's happening next what's

happening next and they actually care about the characters and that to me me, I don't, I'm not in your world. I don't really know how to explain it, but I, that made a lot of sense to me. And that's gotta be something that's cool for you being a character guy. Yeah. Yeah. No. And I will, and I'll admit, this is funny because all writers always say, and when you're doing staffing meetings, which is when we're interviewing writers to see who we're going to hire and you'll ask writers, what kind of writer are you? Everyone always says they're a character person because that seems like that's true. Cause of course we all care about characters. What I realized when I really thought about it is I'm really a plot person. Like that's the thing that like, I'd like, I have to work and really think about character. I care, but plot is the

thing that I'm really good at. And that's all stacked in my brain and everything. But, and I should also, I should also specify that in talking about, yes, Netflix does give great deep dive notes on character. FX did also like John Landgraf is famous for that. Like he was a writer. Um, he wrote a few episodes of TV before he was an exec and he's the head of FX and he is the best at character. No one's better than him. And you should read or listen to any interviews he does on podcasts and stuff. He's an amazing, probably the best TV exec. Um, but Netflix is a huge departure from like the broadcast shows, you know, that I've done like SWAT and Lincoln rhyme and nothing against any of, of those execs, well, at least on the SWAT side, some of the Lincoln execs. I have a recurring theme here.

And I get it. I get it because plot is what's going to give you the commercial and you're chasing it with broadcast. Again, you're doing it all at once. But the Netflix folks, I felt, really challenged us in a good way. It's like, okay, well, why are they doing this? They really pushed us in ways that I was not used to. Those were not the notes I expected from execs. I expected, like you were saying, literally we can't have people tuning out they were so like afraid and panicky and netflix is not like that which i guess when your stock is trading at 900 or whatever it is my god i can't believe i sold it a year ago you talk about a fang fang stocks fang uh it's just Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google, but whatever. Oh, I'm sorry. If I knew that, I wouldn't have sold it. If I knew the acronyms, I'd be so rich.

Yeah. Well, Jake sold his Bitcoin. Yeah. Took a long time. You did. A long time ago, and I didn't have a whole one. I had a quarter of one, and I made a few grand. I needed money, whatever.

Get off me. Back up. Are you listed as executive producer? I have a whole one. I had a quarter of one and I made a few grand. I needed money, whatever. Get off me. Back up. You're listed. Are you listed as executive producer? Yeah. Executive producer, showrunner, whatever. Yeah. Okay.

Those are interchangeable. I had always understood executive producer means the money man. Right. I remember my father telling me that when I was a child, when I was asking what the credits meant. And it's like the thing is producer can mean so many things when you're looking at those credits. It could be someone who like works for,

um, like Peter Chernin, who was the, it was a turn in production. It could be someone there. It could be someone who really was the producer. It could be the line producer. Who's the one on set who's actually hires and is in charge of the crew.

It can be a writer, but showrunners are generally credited as executive producers. Yeah. Okay. And you're a showrunner, but you did not showrunner usually means you created the show. Not always like, like,

uh, oftentimes the creator is one of the showrunners, but they generally partner you with somebody. If you haven't like run a show before, which Steve had not run a show before. He would have been perfectly capable of doing it, but they wanted to partner with someone who'd done it before. And a lot of times now you end up with co-showrunners partially because the

studios and networks are trying to have, you know, a smaller, less expensive writer's room. So then because the showrunners are the only ones who stay with the show with streamers. The writers don't get to go to set and produce their episodes and stuff. And that's one of the things that Strike was about. We were trying to change and we got a few concessions

but still the creator and whoever's co-showrunning with him or her are the ones who are with it to the end. So a lot of times it'll end up being two people. It's impossible to do as one person. I remember you saying a couple years ago, just offhand, I hope this was on the show and not off, we're talking about taxes and write-offs.

And you said something to the effect of like, yeah, I mean, I do research for shows. And you said something like camping. You know, that's something that's like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Then this show opened i was like it makes sense now this is a guy out in the poconotes oh yeah okay i finally tied all together like this is how taxes funny yeah because i i have been funny i have been

working i probably i was working on this show because when i started working on this show in january of 2022 and it just came out it's insane that is wild so um just from uh the the climate did you guys talk much when you were making a show about a white supremacist group and it's an online thing and it's the culture is very hot at the time in 2022 like did you talk about how is this going to play out to people? How is this going to be received? Because it's weird. It's very much about what the world is like right now. Yeah, we talked a little bit about it, but we knew that streaming timeframes are so long.

We had no idea when it would air. So we wanted it to feel somewhat evergreen. Although, in looking back back and i can't remember if i had this thought then uh but after the results of this election you know of course myself and steve and our producer caitlin were like texting about like is this this uh this kind of sucks but it's good for the show maybe but i really but in really thinking about it i think that we've been in the madness since 2016, no matter who wins. We're in something changed and now we are in this new era, you know? And so I think, I don't think that it would have

mattered, honestly, who won. Maybe it would have mattered for liberals, but I think that if Kamala had won, then maybe we would have had a slightly different audience. And, you know, and I also want to say, and this is not too much of a spoiler, that although it does, the show does start out being like, oh, this is like black pundit framed for murdering white supremacist. It's not in the end about white supremacy so much. It's like it is about that being one of many tools being used by those in power right it's not it's not like you're going to just have and i just want to say that like for

listeners and everything it's not that you're going to have like race crammed down your throat constantly you know but that is kind of how it begins no that makes stay tuned that makes indeed yeah i uh i got a I got a very like Mr. Roboty type feel I don't know if you were into that show or not it was a little season yeah and it got out there but yeah that's that was sort of the type of vibe

without it being too much of a psychological thing I got in the first episode I was also wondering I guess we could just do this later he's staying for the news yeah yeah I guess we could do I want to ask him something a little more about this yeah yeah for sure i just i had a writer's question about the news there was a ceo gun down in broad daylight which felt dude i know well go ahead yeah and like steve steve and and caitlin on our text thread we're texting this morning about how it had madness vibes and like you you'll see as you continue in the show how

like even up to the finale there's like a scene the finale which is eerily similar honestly and i saw people i don't know what you'd call it on blue sky blue skying about it i have not abandoned twitter i'm not that libtarded but uh i am on blue sky as well. And I saw people saying, this United CEO thing, it's got the madness vibes. I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. That's got to feel cool. Did Netflix arrange for this man to die for advertising for the show? Wow.

Netflix's advertising department is just. He was going to go, and it turns out it might fit in with the theme of the show. But yeah, I saw that story. It was like, this feels like something he would write. It's wild. And you saw he'd written. I i'm sorry i don't want to spoil the news so i'll wait until you get there yeah spoil yeah i'm trying to find vj and blue sky can you spoil real life are you on the sky now he's skyed it up oh i'm on the sky for sure i i haven't ever blue skied but i'm on there i'm on there and i just i sure is on there too oh really someone that i need to follow you i should probably follow you on there yeah i'm trying to find you but it's

just uh there's just an article about you it's not giving me oh here we go people no results for vj boyd you didn't put periods in there's no periods in my name no i didn't put any periods okay well i'm there i'll find you i'll find you it's like last of the mohicans find me bracket dan um is it weird i would imagine you're having some people like reach out to you and like oh man the finale was great or something and then you're talking to us and then we watched episode one uh like for it all to be dropped at the same time. Yeah, it's so interesting. I was talking to a friend yesterday who was like, I have, I had to like,

or she was talking about how she has a strong temptation always to binge every show on streaming because she loves it so much. So she made a rule for herself because she just won't go to bed that she'll take a five minute break after every episode to decide if she really wants to continue.

I have the opposite problem. I don't want to binge anything. I want to watch one episode, and then I'll come back and watch another one next week or in a few days. Like, think about it a little bit. Yeah, it was interesting. Let it sink in.

Let it sit. It was interesting to hear an opposite viewpoint. So I guess people experience TV in all different ways. But Netflix very much understands, because they're the only one who I believe who every show they always drop them all. Like a lot of the other streamers will like go back and forth or Apple will drop Apple does weekly. Some will drop three, et cetera. And I kind of prefer that, but I know that's just because that's how I watch TV. But Netflix understands that a lot of their audience does want to binge.

And what I realized in notes they were giving us early on is, oh, they need all the episodes to have a similar vibe. They need to feel the same so that it's almost like a warm bath for eight episodes. It's not like all of a sudden it's cold and all of a sudden it's this. It has to all have the same vibe. And for eight episodes, I suppose you could do that. That would be very annoying for 20, but it's a different way of doing TV. And it'll be interesting. I wonder like 50 years from now if that'll still be going on or what these shows will like feel like then if that's not a thing anymore.

It's an eight hour movie. In a way, it's not really structured like a movie though like i know people say that but i think that would be a mistake to structure a tv show like a movie because then you're doing a three-act structure like you're gonna have two or three episodes of introductory stuff and i think that's a mistake like i think i like a show that i really like on apple a silo that graham yost did did Justified, and a lot of the Justified writers do it. And it has a retro feel in that it's structured like an older TV show in a very comfortable way, which Graham is great at. But a thing that they do that's odd, and I don't want

to spoil it, but is that in the pilot of Silo, they have certain characters you're following. And at the end of that episode, then you're introduced to the main character. And then so it's almost like there's two pilots. And I think that's really cool from a Oh, that's different from a TV creation standpoint. But when I was talking to Apple execs about it, they made a point. And I think it's it makes sense. It's like you're asking the audience to deal with two different pilots in a way, two introductions. And that's not how we're used to like watching TV. We want to be like, okay, we watched this episode. We

gave it a chance. Now we know what it's about. We don't want to have to do that twice. I thought that was an interesting point. Anyway, I went far afield of your question as is what I'm doing today. Do you, uh, do you have any input on the music? Yes. Uh i will say that uh phil klein who was our composer did an amazing job i've gotten i've several people have commented on the music to me and you know it feel i love that it's not the typical like i don't know going back to enemy of the state paranoia good kind of music or the marvel music which just always just sounds the same that was very important to me um But I will also say that Steve, the Belber,

who my co-show runner, he was very, very involved in needle drops, like as in the songs that we used. And we, like he was picking songs, like pulling, sending us songs in the middle of the night.

So he should get credit for like, it's a radio head needle drop in one. And I will say in the pilot, we were going to use, we were this close to being able to use justify my thug, the Jay-Z song. Cause that's what we wanted Muncie to be listening to when he's driving out to the Poconos.

Instead of driving. Yes. Yes. And for a man of his age, that's the cool like song that he listening to as he's going out here. And the thing we were warned about is, oh, you're never going to get it. Jay-Z's so difficult and so expensive. We got his sign off.

There's tons of samples in it. You know the one sample we couldn't get? And it wasn't even a money thing. It was Madonna. Her people were like, we can't get hold of her. Sorry. Because she doesn't need the money she doesn't care she just doesn't respond

so because they just couldn't get her to respond we couldn't use it we took it to the last minute and we just had to pull the trigger on something else but maybe we can put that in the DVD extras you got the CNN logo god that made me happy not because I'm a fan of

CNN or anything but just because to speak of mr robot it's so distracting to see fake news networks yes that's another thing netflix is crazy that's another thing netflix is great about is that they they're like as long as we're not disparaging these other companies or brands we can use them you know and uh i know that for some reason some of the legacy companies like broadcast and cable companies won't let you do that i'm not these other companies or brands, we can use them. And I know that for some reason, some of the legacy companies like broadcast and cable companies won't let you do that. I'm not sure why. But Netflix has never been afraid of it.

We were able to use whatever brands we want. It's great. Broadcast radio was like that too. Like what? What would they do? Well, if you just mentioned like, oh, man. Like a competitor? The Pizza Hut triple decker was a great pizza in the 90s.

Oh, yeah. All then of like, well, what about every other pizza company that ever existed? Or the ones that advertise. And also, you're not Gordon. Yeah, yeah. Two things were said. So you're going to stay through the news and all that? VJ Boyd? I would love to hollywood's vj boyd when you moved to hollywood in 2008 did you know like did you have a friend who was a writer

for a show or something like how it the story of vj boyd seems like it's it's a great story but it's like oh you were working in finance or you were working in business and then all of a sudden, no, but I have a passion to be a writer. So I go back to school, get a little writing in and head to Hollywood with my little knapsack, my little stick with the thing over there. I mean, the nutshell of it is that, yeah, I was working at IBM for six years in sales. But like three years into that, I realized I was not happy doing it. What I always say, because I do think this is actually funny, is I started thinking everyone here is crazy. They're all nuts.

And I was like, no, no, no. They're not nuts. They're just enjoying what they're doing. So the fact that you hate what you're doing makes you feel like they're all crazy. And I realized, okay, I'm just in the wrong place. So then I went to grad school thinking, okay, I'm going to teach because that I can do something that matters and I can teach writing. I love to write like as a hobby. And, uh, and then I'll have more time to write. I quickly realized when you're teaching, you don't have time to do anything. Uh, and so, but I was still doing it. I was still trying to get my

literature degree. And, um, one of my instructors in the screenwriting class, Tony Daniel, the novelist, not the comic book artist, like really like my writing. He's a acclaimed science fiction novelist. And he told me, hey, you're really good. You should like move to LA and do this for a living. And I was like, how, how does that work? Because I only knew about movies and in movies, you write a script and either sell it or you don't. And I was like, how? How does that work? Because I only knew about movies. And in movies, you write a script and you either sell it or you don't. And if you don't, then that was a waste of six months of your time

and you didn't make any money. And that did not seem like a smart career move to relocate to do. But Tony talked to me about how TV works because he knew the Battlestar Galactica guys and was like, this is how TV works. You can start as an assistant. And it seemed like there's a career path, right? And that made sense to me.

It seemed logical. And so I moved to LA like maybe a year after I had that conversation with him and was an assistant for a few years, which by the way, I did not realize at the time how lucky I was to even get an assistant job. It's really difficult to get. And I got that and ended up as an assistant season one of Justified. And then Graham- But did you know anyone going out there?

Someone to stay with? So this is funny. No, no, no. Well, I had had a good year in sales at IBM, not because I was a good salesman, but I got lucky. And I got a really big commission check. And I was like, this will tide me over for two years in LA, three to six months, six months or so.

I mean, I was in huge debt by the time, like being an assistant because you're making nothing, but no. Tony's friend, Mike Taylor, who's a writer on Battlestar Galactica and turn and a bunch of other stuff. He was like, I'll introduce you to Mike. Maybe he could hire you as an assistant on Battlestar. So I came out and I love Mike. Great guy. So we went to lunch in Hollywood one of the first weeks I was out here. He did not hire me as an assistant. I know now that it's like that was a very kind of ridiculous thing for Tony to suggest as if like

there weren't like 100 people banging on Mike's door that he'd known for 10 years that wanted these assistant jobs. But he took me to lunch and you know what he mostly talked to me about? Because this would have been 2008. He mostly talked to me about how great Obama was and how I should vote for Obama. Cause I was like a Republican at the time. I mean, he was raised homeschooling kid in Dallas. I'm Republican. Right. And I, and I was like, yeah, I don't know about this. You never, this healthcare thing. It's like, I've read about how Canadian healthcare kind of sucks. He was like, yeah, I don't know about this health care thing. It's like, I've read about how Canadian health care kind of sucks. He's like, I know ideology is hard to get out of. You talked to me for 30 minutes about how I should vote for Obama.

So that was the closest I got to knowing anybody in LA. Who'd you vote for that year? I voted for McCain. Okay. And when I told the people on Just that after i got the uh assistant job and one of the guys and i won't say who was he was like his running joke about me because justified was kind of old school in that it was kind of fratty and kind of hazing kind of a thing it was like i would come in the room he's like vote mccain motherfucker

i forgot about that. What books are you reading now? Reading the Robert Heinlein book, Stranger to Strange Land, which I've never read before. And I don't love so far, honestly. But I think just the way Heinlein writes, I read him so much as a kid.

But I think it's just... I don't know. I don't love it so far and also i didn't know that's where elon got grok from i think that i think elon thinks of himself as the character in stranger in a strange land um which so that's kind of tough for me to pull out of i'm like this is i was reading science fiction to get away from real life see what you guys need to do is just there's a perfect sweet spot that i live in where i suppose i'm motivated and smart enough to read books but i'm too dumb to know if they're not good so every book i read is awesome i'm like well i've spent a lot of non-fiction also

yeah exclusively yeah but okay every time i'm like this is great because i spent the time reading it yeah okay awesome see oh yeah i don't think that yeah i'm currently reading a book that i'm not Every time I'm like, this is great because I spent the time reading it. Yeah, okay. It must be awesome. See, yeah, I don't think that, yeah, I'm currently reading a book that I'm not sure if it's good or not, but I'm like 200 pages in. I'm like, well, I'm 200 pages in. Yeah. So I am not, I got to see it through. Maybe it'll get a little better.

Or maybe it's just me. They should have put an explosion in the first few pages. That's right. It hooked you. it's just me. They should have put an explosion in the first few pages. That's right. Did you, yeah, did you do you see that Jake has an article in the paper? I haven't read it yet, though. But you're aware of it?

Okay, so I guess I just didn't want you to be totally lost because we have a little running thing going today. And so I'll just go ahead and fire this up. How did a piece of human garbage find the tenacious spirit to go from gulping a handle of Tito's before lunch to reuniting with his often ignored children?

Let's listen. In rehab, Jake started working out again. He journaled like crazy. A FaceTime call was where his wife noticed a difference. His skin was clear. His eyes were bright, like something flipped inside of him. He was the person she met 14 years ago.

He told her, this is the best I've felt in my adult life. Don't miss the exciting conclusion of how a railroad hobo uncovers a second chance at life at the cost of missing an entire month of work. All right, today's news

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This one potentially could affect us and our loved ones as Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick has announced a bill that would close up a few of these legal loopholes regarding THC in the state. Oh, whoa. What? Yeah. see in the state. Oh, whoa. What? Yeah. So there's a 2019

Hemp Farming Act, which allowed for the growing of hemp that did not exceed 0.3 concentration of Delta-9. Delta-9 is the main intoxicating ingredient in marijuana. So wait.

I thought we don't want government getting involved in what we're doing. That's not how it works, bud. You want them involved in stopping what you don't want other people to do. That's the key. If you don't want people to be able to go to drag brunch, get the government involved. If you don't want them to smoke weed, get the government involved. You don't want them to get an abortion, get the government involved. Okay, if you don't want someone to do something.

Get the government involved. It is, frankly, kind of a weird situation we have here where marijuana is illegal in the state of Texas, but you can absolutely buy products that will give you the buzz of the marijuana that you buy at a dispensary out VJ's way or from your buddy who owns a chinchilla's house. I must be the only guy who had a dealer who was into exotic animals. I don't know what a chinchilla's house. I must be the only guy who had a dealer who was into exotic animals. I don't know what a chinchilla is.

I think it's like a little... They're very cute. Yeah, it's like a little... They're a little gray. Yeah, it looks like a guinea pig type thing. I've always thought... Yeah, it looks like a rabbit had sex with a guinea pig and they had a baby. They're very cute.

I've always thought dealers had like lizards or tarantula. It's the same guy. Okay. Yeah. Sword. Sword. Definitely, yeah. Keggerator.

Bullet hole above the couch in the wall. That's a chinchilla. Oh, it looks so cute. It does. Yeah, it would just be like crawling on my guy's head. Definitely ferret. Yeah. The ferret.

I had ferrets for a while. Neither was named Jake. Those are bad news. They're creepy a little bit. You guys remember back in the day? I think I've talked to Blake about this before, and this transferred down to his age, when they had like legit

pet stores at the mall. Oh, yeah, of course. And the wall at the mall, the store, would be full almost like it was like a footlocker where there would just be animals in the wall in little cages stacked high. And I remember going one time

and they had a handful of ferrets, there's probably a name for it, in a container. Not a cage, but you could play with them. And one of them ripped a girl's earring out. They're feisty little guys. Yes. You had two or what? I had two.

Chaos and King Ma. God, that's awesome. I had him for two years. homeschooled well i had him as an adult i had him i had him for two i had him the two years before i moved to california but they're illegal in california so i had to give them away to someone but they are nuts like you they would run directly into the fireplace if i did not stop them. They were insane. But they are cute little guys. I was sad to have to let them go because I want to take it to completion

like Dan in his book. I wanted to have them the entire three years they live. But they were cute little guys. See? That's why I'm glad we're not California to my Texas. Right. You can't even have a ferret? You can't even have a ferret out there.

Wait, but you can have pot. Don't... Yeah. Can you have a ferret? You can't even have a ferret out there. Wait, but you can have pot. Yeah. Can you have a ferret that smokes pot? I don't know. I literally, you know, the ferret thing is like an old law that I remember. There was like, they were trying to get Schwarzenegger to change it. It was like he was really close to doing it. There was this whole like, what's it called, where you're signing a petition or whatever.

It was like,warzenegger chain allow ferrets it was specifically about ferrets they weren't just considered under summer i have again it was probably some ferret like rip someone's nose off in like 1965 and they just made it illegal i don't know i want to move somewhere where there are no ferrets and the pot flows like honey. That sounds like my kind of place. I don't understand. I don't have a guest room, but if I did, you know. You don't have a guest room?

No, I did. A showrunner, an executive producer? Well, I'm paying for two places. I'm in the middle of a divorce, so I don't have a guest room at my place. Congrats or I'm sorry? How do you say that to somebody? I don't have a place congrats or i'm sorry how do you say that to somebody uh i don't know i that's what everyone asks though but i'm just always like i'm fine so congrats are you okay what's your kids age they're 14 and 13 i knew they were older ah that's a bad yeah then no they're they're they're handling it all really well and they're great

i love them they're uh but they're at that age where it's like, can they have conversations with adults, or are they going to say something completely inappropriate like they're nine? Do they think your job is cool? Probably not because you live out there, and there's so many cooler people. No, when they came to set for the madness and they saw that i was in charge of it and that it's like said showrunner on the chair and that everyone was coming to me and i was my 13 year old's like oh you're in charge of this whole thing i could tell he was like he thought that was cool uh and he started asking me do people recognize you anywhere

do you know and i took him to comic-con i'm always on panels panels at Comic Con So they got to see me up in front of people So they think I'm kind of important Boy, mom was not happy that weekend You never like to go home back to mom After you had like a weekend on the boat with dad Oh yeah Now it's like get to bed and do your homework Right

Just chores Yeah, I was just having the greatest time of my life We went to Cedar Point, we went on the boat And now it's this I'm on a movie set, I was just having the greatest time of my life. We went to Cedar Point, we went on the boat, and now it's this. And I'm on a movie set, I'm doing this, Dad's important, and now you're sitting there yelling at me. You don't run anything. Yeah. You run shows.

Boring. Is any of this going to be played in court? No, no, there will be no court. So the top story... Famous last words words by the way yeah yeah it doesn't always go that way uh this situation we have here involving the ceo of a company united healthcare one of if not the largest healthcare provider in the nation is absolutely insane. The CEO, Brian Thompson, was gunned down broad daylight yesterday morning. Shot in the back. Have you seen the video, Dan? No. Okay. Well, we can play it for you here. This guy is the CEO of a very, very large healthcare company. He's just walking in midtown Manhattan. It's morning, but it's still light.

And a guy you can just see on a closed-circuit television, just John Wixon. Okay. One, two, gun jam, three. Well, he's pretty far away. Yeah. I thought he'd get up closer to him. Silence pistol. Yeah, he puts one more on him right there. Now he's getting up close. Then. I thought he'd get up closer to him. Silence pistol.

Yeah, he puts one more on him right there. Now he's getting up close. Then there was a witness, huh? He just kind of scooted out of there. Yeah. Check, check. Would you do that? Would you scoot out, or is new Jake going to get involved?

Am I going to confront a guy with a silence pistol that I just saw kill someone in cold blood? No, that's a little different than the guy at the laundromat bitching at the nice old lady. Well, kind of like the guy in the madness. I'm like, I'm hiding in the swamp. I am not now going to then go engage and try to fight this guy. See, I thought about that too, but I don't know how long. But I guess the point is you'd have to hide there overnight. Yeah, and he did know jiu-jitsu.

Yeah, they kind of laid that out in the beginning. Like, this guy's kind of a badass. Right. He's not like superhero, but enough. But no, this is an insane story. And the guy has not been caught yet. As of about the time we started the show this morning, there are some new photos released of this individual.

Nude photos? New photos. Oh. NYPD's calling it a premeditated targeted attack. You think? No pun intended for a health care provider. Road rage? Yeah, that guy cut me off, took my parking spot.

Put the silencer on. I got my silenced pistol with me. But obviously the conspiracies, let me just tell you this. I don't want anyone to die by murder. But? But yesterday Twitter was a very very entertaining place because obviously what you get is people will start looking into what they know about united healthcare and there are a number of things uh they lead the league in denial of claim rate

they uh were currently being investigated and i believe brian thompson who by the way way, the BBC ran a story where they talked to a bunch of his coworkers. And it actually, a listener sent me this. It actually has the line, Brian Thompson, or as he was known around the office, BT. Jeez. Was going to have to testify regarding some technology that they had implemented that used artificial intelligence to process and decide to deny claims, often for life-saving care, but that technology had something like a 90% error rate. So you have non-humans assessing whether or not humans deserve to live, or at least get the money to live, and he was going to have to testify for that there was also i believe a lawsuit involving some firefighter unions that had an issue with united healthcare and again

they deny a lot of claims more than more than most if not the most yeah healthcare is a bad bet man it's tough i mean computers computers and ai should not be allowed to make life-changing decisions because they cannot be held accountable. That has to be a person doing it. I mean, you just think back to Dr. Strangelove, and they're telling the president, he's like, we have to choose who's going to live and die? And they're like, no, no, no, it's a computer program we'll choose.

He's like, oh, okay, that's fine. Because then nobody can be held responsible. It's like you cannot allow that. Anyway, sorry so were you getting to why twitter's great uh there's a million of them but there's two that stick out okay the first is manhattan police or whatever is like hey if you see someone who looks like this or got a big fat reward folks yeah and one of the top comments was, I would look, sorry, but he's not in my network. Yeah. Oh, there's a lot of that. That was good.

There's a lot of that waiting on claim approval for thoughts and prayers. And then the other one was, by the end of the day, everyone thought Eli Manning did it. The guy kind of looks like eli manning a little bit oh really yeah and then eli manning or he posted a picture on the new york subway that morning and people were like oh where were you at 6 45 yeah the thing i was gonna say about the reward is it's ten thousand dollars and i saw a tweet that had like ten thousand posts it was like you're really expecting me to find and turn in John Wick for 10K? Do you see what this guy just did? And there's a whole lot of like, was it a professional hitman?

Was it not? I mean, obviously it was somebody hired, but then you get like gun people breaking down what he did wrong, this and that. I don't know if it was someone hired, because are you going to talk about what he wrote on the shell casings? Yes. They do have the... Is it shell casings? Or the bullets. It might be the bullets. I think he picked his casings up, maybe.

On the ammunition, the phrase Delay, Deny, Defend, which is commonly used by attorneys and insurance industry critics to describe tactics used to avoid paying claims. So he went like full boondock. He was John Q.

He was very John Q. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So there was a message being sent. That's interesting because, yeah, the timing of the lawsuit, it seemed like he was about to squeal which made people think that he was targeted but the thing is once you start entertaining conspiracy theories which a lot of which are not even really conspiracy theories you have to ask yourself okay what is a red herring here right like let's say that i was someone with united health care i was like this guy's gonna

ruin this for all of us he's gotta go well I would want it to look like some sort of Antifa leftist who's upset about the way that the system is working. Good point. And so, I mean, I guess it's a good point, but also it means that anything is possible. I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying you could really say anything and we'd be like, I could buy that. good point yeah jet fuel doesn't melt still beams yeah and who knows who who knows but yeah they have so there was another angle to this where there was some kid on the internet who lives in new york and he'd been scraping data from city bike like city bike is uh they're i don't know what do we call ours lime lime yeah except i believe they are done through the city and you know if you can get into their website or you can and you

know how to do code you can get the data and you can locate any of those bikes and see how much they travel where they travel and he went viral for being like i think i found this bike uh and it was like first of all why are you publicly using your name saying that you found an assassin into your city like is this a good idea uh but news networks were actually like running with it and it turned out to not be true oh really oh i didn't know that like he was just lying or he was just no i think he was just wrong he definitely has the data because you can see in that video that he posted um but i think i think he was just wrong um there's another image i have i i think initially i got sacked on this this is a a post on i think i put instagram on there rob but it's it's actually facebook it's an image that united

healthcare posted we were deeply sad and shocked at the passing of our dear friend and colleague, Brian Thompson, BT, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. Brian was a highly respected colleague and friend to all who worked with him. We're working closely with the New York PD. Ask for your patience during this difficult time. Hearts go out to his family, everyone close to him.

And the post I saw said this had been deleted because of the ratio. It actually hasn't. But if you can see down there, we're talking about a post of a man who was murdered in cold blood and the ha-ha emoji has been used. At that time, that reaction of ha-ha 19,000 times, we are today up to 35,000 as opposed to 2 thousand sad faces they're not doing that over on uh blue sky are they vj well i don't know blue sky seems pretty lefty too and the crazy thing is the frustration

with privatized health care and what passes for public public healthcare should not be a liberal issue. I mean, I know so many people, conservatives, who get absolutely effed by these things. And for whatever reason, it ends up being a lefty thing, I guess because it would help a lot of people. And sometimes you kind of just only want to help. Because it would help people that don't look like you. Right. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes you kind of just only want to help because it would help people that don't look like you. Right. Yeah.

Everyone's like, do you want to deal with, like, government bureaucracy with your health care? It's like, have you tried to call a health care company? Dude, yeah. Have you tried? Like, I have Cadillac insurance with the Guild, and I was on the phone with them for an hour about a simple thing, you know, last week. And I was, like, calculating how much money much money am i gonna get and is it worth my hourly rate that i make if i was working you know i was doing the math in my head it's like maybe i should just end this call and just eat it so i can work yeah let alone that's dealing with the health care which is a beating but then even they'll say oh in canada you gotta you can't get

right into the dot like i can't get right into the doctor. Who are these people? My primary care guy is like, you've got to go to a specialist for this. And I'm like, oh, okay, I'll call them. Yeah, I can get in in two months. And then they're like, yeah, but there's long lines in Canada. Oh, okay. You know how long I had to wait for my 2 o'clock appointment and you're still there at 4?

Come on! It's because of all these Californians that moved here. Yeah, that's true too. They're all in Austin though, aren't they? I think so. There was a funny tweet to reference this tune for the second time in today's show where somebody had a video that I saw

it had thousands of retweets. I'm like, I'll watch this. It said, my reaction to the cold-blooded killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. And when you hit play on the video, it was just a guy kind of frozen, like he was about to start talking. And the only thing that was playing was the hold music from the Cisco systems phone line, like the... It's awesome. Because you're just going to be on hold. You get it? I saw another really creepy thing. If you go to Google or let's

just say Google and type in UnitedHealthcare CEO low profile and hit news, the dystopian effect will really set in for you because there are no less than 20 headlines. UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson kept a low profile kept a low profile kept a low public profile kept a low profile like all of these news agencies somehow got like the exact same bit of information about

look at that they're everywhere and it's just somebody screenshot it all of them put them together it's like how does that happen yeah cause you're just stealing from the original AP story or something

I mean I guess but CBS is gonna steal from I don't know it just seemed weird to me I get that they're trying to say that oh this isn't a guy who's like notorious or on the news or that everyone's mad at someone you've never heard of. Right. And it's okay. You haven't heard of him. He kept a low profile.

I get that they're trying to like say this is why it feels, you know, super targeted. You know, this isn't like a politician. This isn't someone who's in the news. But it is strange. They're using like they're using the same line. Maybe it's from the UnitedHealthcare test release.

Yeah, from the website or something. Does anybody have a medium profile? I think we do. We're more medium. Yeah, low on fame, accolades, but people do know who we are to an extent. So it would be tough for us to say low profile.

Definitely not high profile. Right, but we'll definitely, you know, tweet out stuff and try to – we want to be noticed because we want – Not BT. Followers and all that, yeah. Not that guy. No. He kept a low profile. Yeah.

It's a crazy story, and I don't know i definitely it was it was just a wild day on the internet because yes you probably shouldn't want anyone to be killed but then you always do you can always do the hitler thing right if you want to try to prove or disprove some logical fallacy whatever the case is and just say like, okay, well, what if it were Hitler? Is it okay then? Because once you say yes, now you can work back to what is the spectrum of where it is okay. Do you know what I mean?

You can either say no. Nobody, it's okay for them to just be killed when they're walking down the street. But what if Hitler was killed, but there was another real, he wasn't the only like bad guy yeah in germany so but the other like his second in command actually he was actually a good military leader too and he would not have deployed troops uh to poland and russia and yeah you know he wouldn't have tried to fight that war on two or three well because that's what a lot of people were saying yesterday was like, well, how do you know?

Again, this wasn't his own people. They're like, we got to get this guy out of here. Yeah. And incidentally, their stock did have a pretty sharp spike right after he was killed, which went up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That could just be that it's in the news.

I don't know. But a lot of people, of course, went to therian thompson died doing what he loved increasing shareholder value well it does seem like that's i mean that's what gets people killed is money like as much as like we're saying oh it's or i was saying it sounds like a john q situation wrote this on the bullets kind of a thing but then to what you were saying jake it's like okay what who has saying it sounds like a John Q situation wrote this on the bullets kind of a thing but then to what you were saying Jake it's like okay but who has it's like wouldn't you want it to look like that like I just like last night

saw there was a double feature of The Insider the Michael Mann movie about the tobacco whistleblower that Russell Crowe plays and Heat back to back last night in theater which was awesome and Michael Mann was there anyway but The Insider You're just going to casually drop that you just went to a movie you went to go see back last night in theater, which was awesome. And Michael Mann was there. Anyway, but the insider is going to casually drop that. You just went to

a movie. You went to go see Heat last night with Michael Mann there. It was fantastic. Yes. Front row. But like in seeing the insider again, I was reminded because that's, of course, based on true events what they put this man through

because of money and about tobacco, you know, about nicotine. It's about something that doesn't, the stakes are, yes, you could argue they lied about nicotine, whatever. The stakes are the money. And remembering how much those companies were worth at that time. Like Mann talked about, because it was made by Disney, he talked about that the real tobacco company,

whatever it's called, I can't remember, was worth more than Disney. So Disney was like, they could own us. Just like CBS was worried about. It's like, that's what people kill over, is money. So anyway, I'm swinging back your way, Jake. I'm swinging back to that it's United that did it. Specifically, Jake Kemp, not drunk, said that United Healthcare merged.

You need that stipulation. I want you to know that I do this little Mav show with Machine, Mike Marshall, Roundball Talk and we give Skin some words to use on the broadcast every week and one of them has really taken off to where Followell's using it,

Harp seems to love it, and it's simply the phrase, the action is the juice from the scene in Heat where they're going to decide if they're all going to do it. Yeah, for me, the action is the juice. Just incredible. Sizemore at his best. All right, there's your news, Dan. One more thing.

You mentioned it before during the show. And Rob just reminded me. What did I do? I'm sorry. Does VJ have any thoughts on the 7.0 magnitude earthquake? Oh, yeah. My bad. Yeah, it's Northern California, so he probably didn't feel it.

No, I did not feel an earthquake, so I didn't even know about it. I got up and just prepped for this. I haven't gotten on the news. What's 7.0? Is that major? That's quite high. That's quite high. It's to the point where they are issuing tsunami alerts.

This may be... Oh, literally two minutes ago, tsunami warning canceled. Canceled? Yeah. Okay. But when you have a 7.0 earthquake right off the coast, I think there's a pretty serious concern. It was near San Francisco?

Even further north than that. Coastal areas of California and Oregon. Is that where Umbolt County is? How do you say that? Do you say the H? Yeah, like Murder Mountain. Yeah, where they grow. I think they grow weed.

Weed. Yeah. So, yeah, everyone they grow. I think they grow weed. Weed. Yeah. So, yeah, everyone's safe. So new. Like and subscribe. Blah, blah, blah, blah. A couple of viewer mail birthdays today. Actually, more than just a couple because we were not doing a program yesterday.

You still think the Cowboys have a shot here, Vijay? I know you're a fan. Sadly, yes, I think they do. Thank you. Wait, now you're a guy that thinks they have a shot? I told you I joined you just the other day. Remember, I announced that. I said, Dan, I'm with you. That's a flip-flopper.

Got my jersey ready for Monday night. It's a big game Key game in this season Huge Dear Dan, today is my Peyton Manning Second Super Bowl victory birthday Send Jake back to rehab

So we can get Danny back My leaders are Kirk Herbstreet's dogs R.I.P. Ben, Kip and Bodie Have a merry effing Christmas Go Trump From Plashley. If you remember P1 Ashley. I do.

Blake, you stoked about the Ben news? What? Biden wrote Kirk Herbstreiter a letter. Oh, God almighty. We really need that? One of his last acts, he's like, all right, I got to pardon my son for the foot job thing. I really thought that dog was cute What did he say

Hey he said you know And it's funny that Biden put it this way He's just like hey Hey man I know He said he knew what it's like to lose a dog And how much that hurts Now if I were him I would have put in parentheses Of course I also lost

My first wife and one of my sons so quit your crying yeah it's just a dog but yeah he wrote him a letter and then Kirk Herbstreet is such a just such a swell guy that he posted the letter

and was like politics aside really appreciate this all you're saying is I fucking hate that means he hates you yeah he didn't vote for you but he voted for McCain Politics aside, really appreciate this. All you're saying is I fucking hate this guy. That means he hates you. Yeah, he didn't vote for you. But. He voted for McCain.

Could have just left that out. Dear Uncle C-Bomb. You couldn't just take the letter and just not post it online? Let everybody know. Or does your entire life have to go online? Do you feel like Kirk Herbstreet, if he was gunned down, they'd say kept a low profile? No. No, I don't.

Birthday, John Daigle. Oh, my. More of Blake's career under Taps, Sean McVay. Less of everything else. That's a good dude right there. Dear City Slicker Clitty Liquor. Okay. Today is my 39th birthday.

Could be better. As a native San Angeloan, I want to provide a delayed response to the listener who asked Jake to Kemp Spin the Oasis of West Texas. He says San Angelo is the wool and mohair capital of the world. I have a mohair story. So when I was in college, did you and your buddies ever look into the – it started with this, with medical testing that you could get paid for. I certainly looked at the advertisement.

You're like, oh, God, god they're gonna drug test me and thought yeah so there were there were uh I don't remember how we found out about we did plasma instead yeah but it's just a horror there was a deal where like hey you can go to Austin and you stay there for about 10 days and then you have to go back in for follow-ups once a week or twice a week for two months they're going to give you six grand but you had to be clean you had to be healthy and they were testing drugs or maybe they're not maybe it's just a placebo but we were really looking into it several of us and another thing that we came across along the same line we were always looking for quick buck schemes it didn't involve us having to sell drugs we found a company that simply needed space.

I think they were out of Austin to dry mohair. So I guess they shear it and then they need... What is mohair? I think it's like a... I think it's basically a... It's a fabric, a yarn made from...

Like a... Goats. It's a goat, a yarn made from... Goats. It's a goat, but it also looks more like the Angora goat. Yeah, I don't know. It looks more like a sheep. So you would get money based on... You would get these racks and you would put them all over wherever. And you would have to comb them or treat them and

dry them and then they would you'd give them back to them and they would pay you a couple grand so we like we cleared out our whole uh attic everything and never followed through on it but it was it was i'm gonna use that in something that's awesome i'm gonna have guys do that in something look it up people do it mo here let me see if i can do mo here drawing for money ai yeah it's a real thing now are you constantly doing that vj like hearing hearing a little thing here and there i'm gonna write keep a note just in case. Those are those little details that make things feel alive. It works both ways. Then you got assassins writing stuff on bullets.

That definitely came from... San Angelo, also the largest city in the continental United States without an interstate running through it. Oh, cool. Home of the former Ranger great David Hulse and Grady Spencer's wife. Cool.

Who Brian claims to have been a classmate. Good dude. Happy 45th to my heterosexual or hetero life mate Saxon Brack. Let's see. Anyway, this is from Justin Price Saxon lives in a remote Arkansas area Where they have to ration internet Sorry I'm distracted Looking for a new mohair gig

We got room here in the studio We could do stuff The funny thing is Is that after we cleared it all out, we were like, well, this is already cleared out. Why don't we just grow weed? And our landlord came over and was like, I think I have an idea what you guys have been up to here.

Dear Velvet Vulture, Business Wednesday was the birthday of my wife, Bridget. Her leaders are Jake's Bravery and Dan's Obsession obsession with feet from Nathan. Dear Chancellor of the Cooch, today is dumb F Dave Castilleja. That's probably it. Birthday. The Cooch of the Panthers?

No. That's Canalis. Panthers? No. That's Canalis. Leaders are the people who insist on filming and posting the Aggie yell leader practice, Sarah Heppela's sexual prowess, and Jake's ability to clutch his pearls when he hears the word slut,

and then proceeding to tell the story about how he accepted the invitation to see his friend make a girl squirt. More young Blake. Bring back gay not gay from Luis. Well, much like Vijay, I was doing research. So I knew that there was a scene taking place, and I wanted to observe it because I've been able to use it in my career several times since then. And also, those two things are not, those two things do not contradict each other. You were not slut-shaming

the woman who was willing to let you check this out. In fact, those two things go together. I'm against this email writer. I'm with you. And good morning, Muffy the Poon Slayer. Oh, it's another one for David

Castilleja. Thank God, this guy. Happy birthday, Dave. Who wants more Sarah Heppola? That's from Anthony. All right, cool. How will the story end? Will Jake go full-on red from Shawshank in prison? Or will he claim victory

over the countless bottles that have made him virtually unbearable to be around for 25 years? Let's find out now. Jake is aware that he's new to sobriety. He says, I'm not having a hard time right now, but I know it will be hard. I guess this is what people mean when they say they have found a calm or a peace or the ability to feel real joy.

Happy endings are the stuff of fairy tales, but if we're lucky, we might be happy right now. I didn't say that part. Why did you guys make it sound like I said that part? You said it.

A craved vagrant found sobriety through his faith in Jesus. Craved vagrant. Look for our upcoming series on a man who finally sought the truth and admitted to himself that 9-11 was not an inside job. When we look at Dallas, Texas content creator Blake Jones. Okay.

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Oh, yeah. We have all the answers. Who do we think owns 972 and all threes? I'm confused. Yeah, I think that would be a good thing for us to investigate at some point. Why don't we just dial it up and just see who answers? I'll bet you they get questions all the time. Can you dial it now?

Yeah. Is 682 the Tarrant County slash Hillbilly version of 972? I've never heard of 682. Yeah, most people in Fort Worth haven't heard of 972. Really? Yeah. I'm sorry. Really?

No one is available to take your call. Thank you for calling. I don't say most, but a lot of people with 682 phone numbers, they don't know that 972 exists. That's my claim. Because I was using a Google number. I had a Google number, but it would forward to my phone, and people were calling me if they found a dog.

Like it must have been some kind of a rescue something. Interesting. At some point. And yeah. So I told them just drop it off outside. I'll pick it up. It's Thursday, December 5th, 1848. On this day, President James K. Polk triggered the gold rush of 49

by confirming that gold had been discovered up in these, President James K. Polk triggered the gold rush of 49 by confirming that gold had been discovered up in these, them there hills in California. And then there was an earthquake. Just imagine if it was a year later and the team was called the San Francisco 50ers. It just wouldn't work.

It wouldn't work. Man. On this day in 1933, national prohibition came to an end as Utah became the 36th state to ratify the 21st Amendment, which repealed the 18th Amendment. So is the

true timeline like 17th Amendment women are allowed to vote, 18th Amendment is all of a sudden we got prohibition. No, but it sounds better. It sounds better, okay. But yeah, every time we've brought that up, someone's like, no.

On this day in 2002, Strom... When I say someone, I mean some woman. Yeah. 2002. Strom Thurmond. Clemson. That's right, has a building or something in Clemson. Clemson.

That's right. It has a building or something in Clemson. The oldest and longest serving senator in history celebrated his 100th birthday on this day in 2002. In toasting him, Senate Republican leader Trent Lott. Oh, my God. That era. Oh, my God, that era. Well, he ended up having to resign after the toast that he gave to Strom Thurmond. From the New York Times, in late December 2002, he stepped down as majority leader.

Fifteen days after suggesting at a 100th birthday party for Senator Strom Thurmond that the nation would have been better off if it had elected Thurmond president in 1948. Mr. Lott was heavily criticized because Strom Thurmond had then run on a segregationist platform. Like, that was his big bit. Oh, yeah. Is no matter what. Yeah, he also, man...

Who did get president in 48? Who cares? On this day. Well, hold on. I was just going to tell you. This is like right during the era where I was wearing the Bush-Hitler shirts, you know? Oh, too, yeah.

Yeah, so Trent Lodge, Strom Thurmond, regular players on my Daily Kos, the website Daily Kos Viewing. It came out sometime not too long after that that, as Grego once said, that he had a black baby. That's Strom Thurman. Yeah, I remember that. Strom or Trent? Strom.

It was sometime in the early, I want to say early 2000s. But I bet he didn't spend time with it, so segregation. That is true. That is true. True to his word. And on this day in 2016, Clay Thompson had 60 points. 13 dribbles, 60 points, and I believe he had 33 in the third quarter. Thank God.

I bought a t-shirt with the shot chart on it. Okay, this might be a different game. If he had 33 in the third, only that he had 40 by halftime in 18 minutes. He had 60 by three quarters, and then... Okay, maybe I do have it wrong. They were killing the Pacers, so he didn't keep playing. Yeah, you're maybe I do have it wrong. They were killing the Pacers so he didn't keep playing. Yeah, you're right. I had it wrong. It's 11 dribbles, actually.

Kind of like just what Kobe did when he scored. He just sat out the fourth. Oh, no, wait. He was trying... Oh, we can't say that. Birthdays today. Babe Laufenberg, 65. Bambino. Justin Smoke, 38.

Smoke Monster, baby. So high on him. The Garrett Blunt, 38. Oh, my God. I haven't thought about him. He's a guy you might have forgot about. Punched a guy at midfield. Oh, man.

I was watching that live. What a time. Dude, imagine if that happened now. If a guy named LeGarrette Blunt, who is that black, knocked out some kid from Boise State, some big white corn-fed boy. Boy. I don't remember that being a race thing at all as far as how it was talked about.

No, I don't remember that, yeah. Yeah, it was just like, oh, okay, well, it's football player fight. If that happened now, oh, yeah. The Daily Mail would be discussing that right alongside the Hamas cleats. Jim Plunkett, 77. What was his bid? Was it kind of average? No, I mean, he won the Heisman, then he won a Super Bowl.

At least one. I guess in my mind, he's always been kind of like Trent Dilfer-y. Was he like really legit? I mean, he was a dumpy looking guy. That may be why it is, combined with the name. I think his parents are both like deaf or something. Okay. Like, look up Jim Plunkett.

There's something weird about his parents. It's not deaf. Blind? Blind. His father, blind. It says you're gay. That's where I was going. Yeah.

Wife blind, father progressively blind, which really aren't we all? Was it contagious? Was it already happening when they got married? That's very interesting. That is weird. So Jim Plunkett, 72 and 72

as a starter, 164 touchdowns, 198 interceptions, and a completion percentage of 52.5%. Okay, so I'm not that far off in saying. But that's how quarterbacks were at that time. Yeah, yeah. That's true, too.

Yeah. Like, take a look at Roger Staubach's numbers. Tell me touchdowns, interceptions on Staubach. He was a winner, though. Definitely was a winner. And served his country. Great man. Served his country well.

Rob Art Monk is 67. I was a big fan of his when I was a kid, even though he was a division rival. Roger had more touchdowns than interceptions. Oh, yeah? 153 to 109. Oh, okay. Actually, that's probably awesome for that era. Gosh, record was 85 and 29.

Huh. Take a look at Terry Bradshaw. I bet he has more interceptions. And then the big one, end with Joe Namath. Hmm. I know that's bad. Oh, Bradshaw, 212 to 210. That's right. Okay, so he had more touchdowns?

Two. Alright, take a look at Joe Namath Michael Edwards is 60 He is Eddie the Eagle, the Olympic ski jumper I'm going to acknowledge one Eddie the Eagle Namath 173 touchdowns, 220 interceptions Jim Trestle, 72. The year he was second team all pro, he had more interceptions than touchdowns.

Jim Trestle fired over tattoos. What a quaint world we lived in back then. So what do you mean? Did players have tattoos or were paying them with tickets? Yeah, and memorabilia. Terrell Pryor, right? Was one of them, I think. Yeah, there was quite a few.

Claret, maybe, too. Andre Brown is 61. That is Dr. Dre from Yo! MTV Raps. Dan. The greatest Dr. Dre. The real Dr. Dre. Brian Backer is 68. He is Mark Ratner in Fast Times

John Resnick 59 From the Goo Goo Dolls Margaret Cho is 56 I was having a conversation with someone about the Goo Goo Dolls Just the other night Underrated Man I am not That era of music i just can't do it i cannot do dolls

and you i i they're probably terrible but no no i think they probably are an actual good band but that's sort of it's it's in so almost in the grunge era but a little bit later but goo goo dolls and like six pence none the written basically everything that was on the edge back then i just i can't do it the cranberries marvelous three oh lit lit we're getting now into my area but just that whiny 90s rock just makes me think of, like, Corby. Like, I just hate that music. Are we going to watch the Yacht Rock Doc, Dan? Bill Simmons.

Oh, it's Simmons? Yeah, he produced it. But, I mean, what does that even mean? He's so insufferable. Right, producers don't do shit, do they? I think they have a pretty big impact on the show. But it can mean a lot of things, as I said earlier. No, it feels like it meant he kind of had the idea and said,

hey, go do a Yacht Rock doc. Okay. Not a fan of it. I watched the first half hour. It might get better. Okay. It's, and I guess I'm holding it up because I like music of that era. Yeah. And I'll hold it up against like a documentary on the Bee Gees was awesome.

Oh, yeah. Like it was inspirational. Did you like it? Oh, my God. Yeah, it was incredible. You learned a lot of stuff you didn't know. Like Barry Gibb was so talented. It's incredible. You learned a lot of stuff you didn't know. Like, Barry Gibb was so talented. It's amazing.

And then this is just kind of like they'll have... Who's like the Tonight Show band guy? Which? The current one. Is Tonight Show the Questlove? Yeah, yeah, Questlove. They'll have him sitting there. It's almost like pop-up video in a sense.

They'll have him sitting there, and he'll be saying stuff about the era. But then they'll mix it in with one of the olds that played music, like Michael McDonald is sitting there, and he'll talk about some stuff. It's cool because I like hearing that music, but I don't know. Thus far, it's not what I... I don't know. Okay. Let's watch the whole thing before we start. Margaret Cho, 56, like I said.

I know you love her leather pants. Yeah, there was a lot of... You ever meet Margaret Cho? I have not met Margaret Cho or Leah Remini. Leah Remini. Leah Rimini. Sorry. Yeah, struck out.

Although I tried. For Blake, I tried. I know. She never hit me back. But the first show you worked on or worked with as an assistant, wasn't Swayze on that show? Yes. I bought him a latte one time.

Yeah. He was really nice. Really good dude. Dude, he knows Swayze. I know. It's incredible. I still have his number in my phone even though he's obviously passed but I'm not going to delete it. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, I wanted to see it.

What if I called it and he answered from heaven? Or what if I called it and he was screaming in agony from hell? My God. We'll have to do that later. Why did you buy him the latte? Well, no, with the company card. It was my job. It was like, hey, go get Patrick a latte. And you do it right?

I did. It was iced from coffee bean. Well, he was a really cool dude. He was like, thank you, man. Wow. That sounds like him. Yeah, it does sound like him, man. Yeah.

My grandfather actually met him in Texas at a horse race because Swayze was a big horse race guy. Sounds like him too, man. Did all his own stunts in Point Break? Did you know that? I actually didn't know that. I didn't know that. Very Tom Cruise of him.

Yeah, dove out of that plane. Did all the skydiving. Frankie Munez. How do you say his name? Malcolm. Yeah. 39. And then St. West is nine.

Who can name all four Kanye kids? No, I can't. I can only get two. Yeah. Same two. Yeah. North two. Yeah. North and same. Nobody?

No. NFC? Hold on. Jack, hop on the mic. Intern Jack, everybody. Of course Jack can. Can he get all four? So we've already said Saint and North, right?

Northwest is very... Yeah. Okay. So we've got Chicago, you know, Kanye's hometown, and then we've got Psalm, like the... Ah. Never even heard that one. Yeah. So, yeah.

Okay. Jack, you have any questions for a big-time Hollywood producer? You looking for an intern? Oh, yeah. Networking. Not right now, but I'll keep it in mind for future. Jack's a good dude. Oh, he couldn't hear me.

He said, yeah, fly out. Yeah, he said fly out. He'll put you up. Check in at this address. You know, they could have the job. He'll introduce you to Patrick Swayze. Have you ever heard of Patrick Swayze? Yeah.

From what? I don't know if I've seen anything with him in it. Yeah. How old are you, Jack? I'm 24. Do you interact with a lot of 24-year-olds, Vijay? I would guess you do. I like PAs and assistants and stuff like that.

Casting couch? And in football, in flag football. They all seem like children and are much faster than me, but yeah. You're still in flag football? Yeah. As I was telling Blake last time it was on, I'm not going to run unless there's a ball involved. So I got to do something to get my aerobic exercise.

And I love football. I feel you. Although it hurts more every time. Like my body hurts more every time. It's like I'm not doing practice. That's for sure. It's practice? No, I'm not going to go through that for practice.

I'm not going to take that many anti-inflammatory drugs for practice and remember he's going through a divorce so he's got to get his tea back up yeah oh yeah that's why he's all hot yeah you've been working out extra because you're going through a divorce i've been no i've been working so much on this other thing i'm doing so i work out like once a week so So I'm just all skinny now. Well, have you ever talked about that in 2027? I hope so. I hope so. Oh, like you're doing another show right now that won't be out for three years?

I'm writing a couple of things. I sold a couple of things. We'll see if they get made. We'll see if they get made. Nice. That must be weird. If you're sitting there writing something, not knowing this might all be for nothing if I don't sell it.

I mean, I sold them. That's just like, will they make them? They're paying me to write it. Oh, OK. Is it going are they going to then produce it? Dude, like not to go back because I was trying to end the show. But like when we were writing The Madness, we wrote all those episodes without knowing if it was going to get made. Netflix had not told us if they were going to make it.

Every episode we turned in, they were like, maybe next one we'll let you know. And then finally I was like, they're not going to let us know until we're finished. And they didn't. But you know what?

I guess we did a good job because they made it. It's on TV or computers or phone or whatever. And it's great. I don't know if we said that enough. I wanted to keep watching that first episode. You can shit on anything you don't like. I'm not sensitive. I can handle it.

Well, again, we don't... Have your daughters watch it, Dan. There's an idea. That's not bad. I will come on to listen to their thoughts On the pilot of the madness It feels like you have to make a three minute show For them to

They're still lamenting The loss of Quibi Born on the stay now dead Martin Van Buren The president with sweet Sideburns. Boy, that's the truth. Those are baller. And Walt Disney.

Suspect. He's frozen. True. Dead on the Stay Still Dead, famous painter Mozart. Music. When Mozart sits down to paint, it's an old norm, E-Break. Give me

a year that Mozart lived in. No chance, but... He died at the age of 35, so you have a small window. My first guess was going to be sometime in the 1400s, but I don't think they had pianos then. So I'm going to say late 1600s.

Give me 1635. I was going to say 1613, so we're all probably wrong. Did we have pianos in the 1400s is a good question. I don't know. Jack, you got anything on Mozart? I mean, I've seen the movie Amadeus. That's about it. And what year was he alive? Any year? I can't know. Jack, you got anything on Mozart? I mean, I've seen the movie Amadeus. That's about it. And what year was he alive?

Any year? I can't remember. You saw the whole movie about him. None of us remember. That's why we just guessed. Play the game. I'm going to go, I'll lowball, say like 1560. What an idiot.

He died on this day in 1791. Oh, darn it. Oh, we were so far. Piano invented in the early 1700s. Saw the United States. Oh, my God. What? I'm shocked by that.

I know. And also that means he was fucking reading about the, like, 1776 and stuff. Yeah. He read about the Boston Tea Party and started cranking out music. Yeah. Mozart could have known Ben Franklin. Didn't have that on the board today. Very likely did.

Died on this day, still dead. And he saw the Dolphins go undefeated. Shoeless Joe Jackson, Don Meredith, Nelson Mandela, who invented an effect, right? He did. And Kirstie Alley died on this day in 2022. I think we got to do it, right? Oh, I forgot she passed.

What do you have? Yeah, I didn't know you had this. Look, if Rob's got it, we're waiting for the Kirstie Alley clip, all right? Okay, we have a video of Kirstie Alley? This is the Halloween one? Of course it is. All right. Well, that'll be closing remarks.

And that was today's K-I-R-S-T-I-E. She was in King of Queens once. Once? Yeah. Hey, while Rob finds that, one question I had on Netflix and the madness is the first week really as important as people say. I've heard was it in Barry? The show Barry? Yes.

I got there and my sister and I were all sitting in this waiting room and we were to get there. I got there and my sister and I were all to get there. I got there and my sister and I were all sitting in this waiting room and we were sobbing. As I'm crying, my sister's here and I wasn't looking at her but I said where were they going and she said to a Halloween

party and I said what were they dressed as why would you ask this? Why would you? And she said, the odd couple. And I said, oh, I'm thinking. What odd couple? Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon? Well, what were their costumes exactly? She said, Mom was a black girl and Dad was a Ku Klux Klan member. And we started laughing.

And the whole family, I guess, had heard this conversation and we all started laughing. And the whole family, I guess, had heard this conversation, and we all started laughing. And it was the greatest tribute that you could give my mother. Do you know? Dude, I'm so insane. No, I don't know what you mean. Why would you ever? So that's how they died?

I did not get that information. Yes, they were found dead in blackface and in a Klan outfit. Like in the car. Insane. Well, all right, Peter. So yeah, the whole first week thing of like, you know, people kind of didn't really. It's like they take it off the front page or whatever and then you're dead. off the front page or whatever and then you're dead.

The first week is important and the first three months are important monetarily for me because one of the things that we got in the strike is because streamers don't pay residuals really, like royalties in the same way that other networks do.

And so we got a thing where if, I think it's if 20% of the platform, like if 20% of Netflix subscribers have watched at least one episode of The Madness in the first three months, then I get a check for some amount of money. And so I think I have those numbers right. So the first three months are important, too. Well, let's get out there. those numbers right. The first three months are important too. Let's get out there. Look, even if you're not into

conspiratorial thrillers, I watched the first episode and I loved it and plan to continue watching it. If you're just not into it, just turn it on. Just go for a run. Just have it on in the background. Just go for a run. Do some baking, gardening.

It doesn't matter. Drinking Tito's even. Well, you're the best man. This has been really fun. Thank you for having me on. It doesn't matter. Drinking Tito's, even. Well, you're the best, man. This has been really fun. Thank you for having me on. I always love it. You guys are awesome. Adios, mofo. We gotta go before this becomes a zoo. Thank you for watching my video.

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