The Dumb Zone FREE - DZ 7-28-25 | Cowboys extend Jake Ferguson and we catch up with Kyle Gibson

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Get every episode of The Dumb Zone by subscribing to the show at DumbZone.com or Patreon.com/TheDumbZoneDan is back from Clemson with a story involving his wife climbing through a window. The Cowboys extended somebody, just not who we hoped it was going to be. And we talk to former Ranger great, Kyle Gibson, on analytics, his minor league dominance, and his step into retirement (00:00) - Open: Weekend check (42:53) - Cowboys extend Jake Ferguson (01:06:58) - Today in Twitter: Worst one day contract ever (01:31:00) - News: Details of a Texas rep's affair (02:05:28) - VM birthdays/Today in History (02:27:55) - Kyle Gibson: Analytics, team chemistry, and torpedo bats ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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are brought to you by No Puppet Productions and The Dumb Zone. It'll be like a drunk giant driving charge and you got like a nine up there and everybody's like, drunk drive me into a ditch or something. None of the replies are like, can we think about the actual damage this person did? And I love, like that shows me society still has a chance. See, drunk shotties are the wave. Just love it. It's always like, let's hear her out. Let's hear her out, yeah.

Nobody, everybody from Hillary voters to the MAGA guys are like, I don't know, dude. It's assault with a deadly weapon. I'm sure she had reason. Yeah, I see two deadly weapons up front there. Yeah. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. The problem isn't the audio playing. I'm just talking to this.

The problem isn't the audio playing. Yeah, I think it's just our ears. But I don't know. I don't know anything. The only thing I do know is that I am back in beautiful Texas. My country. My home country. got here as fast as I could just like old Teddy ball game it's Ted Cruz no it's not he's not from here no he's not he's also not Teddy ball game under any circumstances well he goes to a lot of ball games and then the team loses he does he does the real Ted Cruz curse is

when a Democrat tries to take him on though. Hell yeah. And ladies and gentlemen, my name is Dan McCall. I'm Jake Kemp. I'm Blake Jones. Blake Jones is scrambling. Or buying time. As we are not in the Game Day Men's Health Studio where you can go to

gamedaymen'shealth.com and then call Game Day Men's Health and get 25, 20% off. That's 10. 10, 10%. 25. How about I meet you in the middle at 10? Call for 20. I'm scrambling too. Anyway, we're not in the gameday men's health studios, which is our home away from home, But this is actually my literal home. We are high atop my garage and this is Jake's first look. Is the ears working now? No! They're not blowing me out? Oh, okay.

No, nothing is working. What? Cause you have your headphones on. Yeah, I love what you guys have done with the place. Yeah, it looks beautiful. Now does the, do the veins work? The body looks good. Well I can't fix it if you don't tell me what's wrong.

Oh I can't hear, there's nothing in my ears. Yeah I'm not hearing a thing. It's just Dan and I talking. But then if you do turn it on, it'll blow out my ears. We have to fix all of that. Yeah well. Are you sure you're not just hearing it from the speaker? That's great.

No, Zach is hearing it. I was hearing it earlier. And once you started talking in the beginning of the show, I have us cease to hear one thing through my headphones. But whatever ball, dude, you know what Jason Garrett used to say? Grass turf parking lot on the moon. This is the problem for me there with recording live to tape, because if Brian Curtis does this, it'll all get edited out. Dude, you get upset. We're live to tape, because if Brian Curtis does this, it'll all get edited out.

Dude, you get upset. We're live to tape, boys. When I listen to podcasts and I know they did like a clear edit and not a spot edit. Yeah. It drives me crazy. It drives me crazy. You guys are fake. Come on. Hang them out there. This isn't big naturals like we are.

We're the big naturals of podcasting. Hell yeah. Or the soggy, saggy naturals. Saggy, medium naturals. Anyway, we got to sit in here. This is Zach. Hello. Thanks for having me.

Last name? Hamilton. Is there any chance people are hearing him talk right now? Probably not. I can't hear myself in my head. Yeah, yeah. I know you can. I just know I feel like Zach's mic might be low priority

for Blake right now. Yeah, that's fine. Clayton, how just know it. I feel like Zach's mic might be low priority for Blake right now. Yeah, that's fine. Clayton, how do you feel Clayton? Is this all going out over internet? I'm hearing everybody just fine. Clayton's hearing everything. Oh, okay. Came on and then got hot. Came on and then got hot. Clayton's hearing everything and he's subscribing. But, on the positivity tip, the place looks incredible. You guys really opened it up. Yeah, that's right. You weren't here. You were on the beach. That place looks incredible. You guys really opened it up. Yeah, that's right. You weren't here. You were on the beach. That

must be nice. So, yeah, we spent all of Friday and all of Monday doing this. The prior to last week and then I took off for Clemson where I said, you know what? I'll do three shows from Clemson guys and then I did nothing. It's okay. I I am gonna go visit my other daughter in New York at some point. I can guarantee

I'll be able to do the show there. This was moving. Yeah. And it was an extreme beating. But we got it. We got her moved out of her apartment into another apartment. You should have called some hunks. Some hunks to help me? See those trucks? See those trucks that are like college hunks. That was me. Hell yeah, man. I was the college hunk. I imagine you out there like Frank the Tank out with his Firebird or whatever out front, the bandana on,

like, hey, ladies. Yeah. I like college, man. You ever had a man with a podcast? I could go back to college. We could make a funny video about that or a movie. Let me ask you a question that's gonna delve into creepy, but I think we can avoid it.

Do college girls now to you look older or younger than they did when you were that age? And they're all legal, so this is okay, unlike my uncles when I told them I was considering homeschooling. I'm hearing stuff in my ears Yeah, yeah, we're popping. I'm wet. I'm lubed up. Oh, yeah. I like it right there boy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Hear me hear me. Yeah any girl ever said hear me as any girl ever said that yeah, then that's not a girl That's a woman and on that same topic

They look older. Yeah, so when my uncles used to say it, I was like in eighth or ninth grade. When we were all 19, we all felt like kids or something. I don't know. But yeah, now I'm like, there's no way. Judge, as I'm pleading my case in front of them, she does not look. Look at the age she is. She looks like, yeah.

So I don't know. The weird thing, I think I tend to agree with you when I see them on social media. But when I see them in person, like I saw a handful of 21 or 22 year old girls out on the town Friday night in Fort Worth. Those look like children to me. I don't know why.

I don't know if it's because I have a young daughter right now, but they just, I don't know. You've gotten't know if it's because I have a young daughter right now, but they just... I don't know. You've gotten soft since you've had that daughter. Well, I was never really like, scanning for the... You're all anti-porn. ...for the sor- Yeah, I don't know about that. That's someone's daughter. Eh, okay. Well, that guy... Then that guy did a poor job. I mean, that's what we need. We need other guys to make kids have daddy issues

so that we can enjoy. Like, hey, how am I gonna marry my Jordan Hudson if every girl is gonna be, you know, got their head put together on him, you know? You know, it takes all types. I need a Jordan Hudson. Sure. I was out there scouting.

I read this weekend that I was reading about Hitler's dad beating him up a lot Yeah Little kind of a major daddy issue if you think about yeah Yeah, like kind of got to kind of thought he was gay and stuff and would just get hammered whip the shit out of him No, this won't go poorly for the continent Anyways, do status check sit rep here. How do we feel everybody? You're you good?

B. Jones? We're doing better. YouTube's reporting good. I could use a little more in my ears. I am not sure if I'm still in control of that. Is that your bit now? It's my bit. Yeah, I'll take a little more ear. A little bit more and I think we will be cooking

with fish grease here. Yeah, everything's great. Awesome. It is our first day in the newly revamped Den high atop my garage. So you'll get to say that, Zach. You got that on your resume? Oh, no. No, it looks great. You're at the first ever new Den 2.0 or whatever we should call this. No, Den 2.0, DIN Max, DIN Plus.

It's great now, but I can tell you it's really going to be great on September 4th when we're watching the boys beat the birds in Philly on Open. This is going to, I'm going to tell you. Yeah, we've got a lot more room. This is going to F on streams. We've got more room now. I have been informed by the guys.

And Wirewheel was out here too. Wire Will, gosh, let's all hear it for Wire Will folks. I saw Wire Scott Friday night. The amount of uh like he's drilling holes in walls. He's he's you know you don't see it used to be wires were all over the floor here. Yes. It's because we started doing shows here during pandemic. Blake brought over some of his high school broadcasting equipment and we used that and it was great. Everyone else at the station was kind of using that clean feed thing. Yeah. And it sounded tinty and computery and would dropouts and you're not the same room but it was all free. That's the main thing. And You're not in the same room. But it was all free. That's the main thing.

And you're not in the same room. It was free. But the equipment Blake had made us sound like we were in the studio. Even if we weren't in the same room, whatever. It was beautiful. Because Blake was back at the studio. We were here.

And it sounded like we were all together so we could do the illusion. The illusion that I love about the audio medium, That we can, you don't see any, that's why you'd like a phone call over a video call. You can't see you rolling your eyes or doing the dice or whatever. So, but we started here back then in the pandemic. Then continued that, what, once we started doing the podcast thing, not working for the ticket, and Blake set up some different stuff. And so we had a couple of systems. Then Video Man, original Video Man Rob came in and he laid down a bunch of stuff and did it. And then

Clayton comes in and then he did a bunch. So it was all these things built on each other. But I was finding giant cables that weren't attached to anything. They were just in the middle of the room. So we had to just clean everything out, sterilize it. I love it. It's another thing that we'd be like, boy, why don't we do this?

Why don't we do it this way? And then be like, I don't know, we can't. And then now we're here, and we're like, why don't we do this? We can and we can I like doing it and you know what I really appreciate you guys doing it we do have a blank spot above your head for when not feeling that don't I like that the daughters are not up there when I'm just yelling but yeah this this looks like I'm in a deposition no no no no I was thinking I do have, you know, up here, you're allowed to do

whatever you want. Wow. The Dirk Poster could go there. Okay. A dumb zone logo. Wouldn't that be crazy? A Game Day Men's Health sign. Just a list of all of our great sponsors. I don't know. Let's get crazy with it. Let's go nuts. Maybe a little Burt Reynolds posing laying on a bearskin rug. I don't know. I love it. It's great work. It is good times. Yeah, so thanks to WireWill.

His company is called Simplified Technology. And I was like, yeah, I was going to give you a plug. And he's like, yeah, I don't know, okay, cool. Like he doesn't, I don't think he cares to advertise. Yeah, some people, you know, are not looking to expand their business. He doesn't even do so on his Twitter page. Yeah.

Like he doesn't advertise his bit, but he's great. He's a fantastic electrician and I wanna let everybody know that. Speaking of wire will, so, oh, this could be a weekend check and what do we got on the list here? Let's give this weekend check to Community Mechanical because Community Mechanical is our HVAC company. They are our HVAC company they've been at my house, Blake's house, Dan's house, they've also been to Brandon Aubrey's house They'll be sponsoring the Brandon Aubrey show this year community DFW calm you can text Travis at what are you looking me funny for?

You go ahead. I'm looking at him because I'm hearing in my ears. Oh, I'm sorry as if it was like a radio broadcast from Slovenia we were trying to tune into on our, I got the two big giant dials. I'm gonna get back to this. Communitytfw.com. Sorry. You can call or text Travis, 469-667-7290. Came out to my house and installed what is known as a mini split, which means, hey, I need AC out here where I don't have AC.

They got that done quick. And you can barely even tell it's there. Like it's embedded in the wall real nice. Just smoothed clean. Like a good umpire. Yeah, exactly. Like a good referee. There you go, good offensive lineman. Like a male NBA referee.

Incidentally, Travis resembles. Not the, anyways. Anyway, Community Mechanic, what's their bit? What, they got a number? Or you already did? I already did. All right, well then don't worry about it. Communityfw.com.

If I find out that one of you got HVAC work done and it wasn't at least run by Travis, we're having problems. We can check. Okay. Because I did go to Clemson to help my daughter move from one place to another. But before I left... The dog is just working his hand like a Billy's Yankees game. I told you to push him away.

It's all right. He's good. And again, we can put him down. No listener has yet taken us up on that, but that'd be a great on-air bid. Got to issue once per show. So before I left, right before I left, the electricity went out.

Right before I left, like the electricity went out. And boy, this must have been like a Tuesday night then. Cause I haven't talked to you guys since. And my tolerance for anything that's different is now like, I just feel like the pioneers that were traveling across the country and fighting off the Comanches and doing this and that like dysentery or whatever, they did not have it as rough because they at least knew that was the deal. I think complete comfort and high speed internet and everything at my fingertips when I want it, right now or later or whatever, is now, it's a, if you're getting divorced from your billionaire husband, you have a level of, this is what you're used to. Standard of living. So to drop me down to still probably the best living you could do on earth, just no electricity for a couple of hours.

But somehow exponentially in my head it's like I am a caveman. This is the worst thing ever and I'm projecting out, well what if everything in the fridge goes bad? Or what if the everything in the fridge goes bad or what if and my neighbors guy across the street who built the new house across the street been here in the you know within the last year you guys know what I'm talking about I hear something real loud over there they're scoreboarding me with their generator so apparently like when you build a house, a lot of people just hey do the generator now

because I know something's gonna go wrong and it's a lot easier than installing a generator and Anyway, I'm just looking over there Wishing I was nicer to the guy, you know, he says he's doing a drone show over his house Oh, yeah, yeah his generator. They're just laughing But so we get back we were out oh We're picking up food to go or something. I had to drop my wife's car off somewhere so she could just use my car while while I'm away and Electricity's out.

Garage door won't work, okay? Well, luckily enough, we have the battery operated pin pad thing. So I go around to the back door, nothing. Unluckily enough, that thing ran out of battery once ago, and I would have never known because we just go in the big garage door. Also looking at that pin pad, it's a four-digit number, which uses only three numbers. So it's like 1-2-3-1, for example. Okay. But the three numbers, it's been on there

for five years so they're heavily worn. You know the three numbers. So I'm just saying, you know, it makes it a slight bit easier to break into my house if you ever want to. It was curious as to why you were shaking. But it would still be very difficult. So give it a try. And they'd have to

deal with you. So now I'm like the dogs are inside. The electricity's off and we have no way in. Oh no. We have no way in. And my wife's like we can just break this door down. I'm like really? What What, how is, let's go through that. Like, like if it's TV, you can run into it once, you run into it again, and the third time it'll knock down. Yeah, you got a breach expert on your hands over here, like how's she? But I'm me, and I just know there's no way I'm breaking this door down.

I'm like, I could just throw a rock through a window. It's like, well don't do, you know, so. And then I went over to the side of the garage, but it's up high. I could reach up to it, and I push up on the garage window and it opens. I was gonna ask if you checked every window. So I push up on the garage window, it opens,

but it's kind of like a child backseat window. It opens like halfway. For some reason, maybe it's kind of like a child backseat window. It opens like halfway. For some reason maybe it's to deter possible criminals or something. Usually it's locked but for I think I was just cleaning in there or something it's unlocked. So it's very lucky. So we have a stepladder outside in the shed. We get that. I won't fit. I was gonna say yeah, yeah. It was teamwork. So we had to shove her through. God, that's beat. And that's how we got in.

Dude. Wire Will was like, look, I have a medium-sized generator. I told Wire Will our electricity's out, because he's our electrician. And he's like, I'll come over there and wire something up that I can at least keep your fridges and something going on, and your charging. He knew.

I didn't care about the air conditioning as much as you could do all your charging. I'm like, oh, yeah, OK. That sounds great. And frankly, your wife as well, as long as she can find out what's happening in critical race theory and recipes. Well, I went outside and sat in my car for like a half hour.

Never a bad idea. Charging it up, enjoying the air conditioning. She didn't want to, so she's in here just being a martyr. And I'm just like, cool. But anyway, then obviously it came back on. It's always an hour or two, whatever. That doesn't happen to me that often. I'm on Tri County Electric it's a very small okay when I can understand a pretty small operation and you got your own grid yeah feels

like my day there's goes out a lot my goes out around weather is seemingly a lot more than it used to but I've never had the random power thing but dude you know you're in a totally different space when you have two kids in the heat. You got to act fast on that. Oh, yeah. Two little kids, for sure. It's funny, though, you were talking like, oh, what are we going to do?

One, just the image of your wife halfway in and outside of your house. You should have taken a picture and roasted her with it forever. Saddle up behind it. You had to at least think about it. Pfft. Ha ha ha. You had to at least think about it. Oh yeah, yeah, no, I've seen that video.

She gets stuck in the window all of a sudden. Yeah, it's like, when your power goes out to you, you're saying, you go through all the scenarios, like what am I gonna do about this, what am I gonna do about that? It's like, why in all those scenarios am I immediately divorced? And I'm like like on the run

Feels like it might be an over overreach also great Just as far as me and my weekend and in fact the whole week Just knocking out of the park with steps We're averaging 10k At least for the last couple weeks. I know for you, you're laughing. This is your everyday. I didn't even crack a smile. I'm running eight miles a day. I'm doing this.

I'm on TRT. I got 10% off for life. I didn't realize. At Game Day Men's Health. But came across an article where analyzing data from 57 studies that involved over 160,000 adults. Because a lot of people say 10,000 steps. You should get 10,000 steps.

That's good for you. And that also seems like the 10,000 hour rule, or just a lot of things. The 100 innings or 100 pitches. Did you really do any research if you're telling me you landed on 10,000? Yeah, it's always been a bit of a question. I don't think you did. I don't think you did.

I don't think you did research on what's the best pitch count to have. If you just landed on 100, it might be 122. Look, a significant amount of life is based on intervals of five for simplicity, I guess, but 1,000 yard rushers, 100 catches. These are things that make no sense. They have no statistical significance.

They don't help tell the story, but they do end in a 0 or a 5. Yeah. Well, anyway, researchers say, now it's another round number, but they say walking 7,000 steps per day will lead to a reduced risk of several health issues. Death from...or let's see, cardiovascular disease, 25%. Reduction, 7,000 steps a day. 6% reduction in cancer.

Type 2 diabetes, 14%. Dementia 38%. Depression 22%. And it says falls, so this must be for olds, 28%. And I gotta tell you, since I've been getting my 10,000, I have not fallen once. Well, no. You fell four times, and last month you fell five times. And it says here, right. Because it's just a reduction. Right, it's a reduction. And a counter-intuitive reduction, because you would imagine that you're falling some walking, but I guess not.

That's just Biden. Right, if you're just sitting on a couch, you're not falling. Zero. And this is the big one. 47% reduction. You just get 7,000 steps a day. 47% reduction in death from any cause. So you're able to outrun a knife wielding madman.

Uh, go shark diving, no cage. Right. Just any... Go three times you'll live... Any cause at all of death. You're reducing that by nearly half. Yeah I mean the crazy thing is is while that is obviously ridiculously general I believe it because you're conflating several other factors, right? If you walk, you're probably someone who eats a little bit better, you're probably someone who this and that, the third. So it's true, I did just look this up though.

That's a good point. That's the problem, is that you're looking for, okay. The recommendation of walking 10,000 steps a day originated in Japan in the 1960s as part of a marketing campaign ahead of the 64 Tokyo Olympics. There you go. A pedometer company launched a device called,

I don't know, but it translates to 10,000 steps meter. This was not based on any scientific research, but was a catchy and easily memorable number intended to promote physical activity throughout or through their product. Later, idea gains global popularity. It's good baseline, but studies have shown fewer steps can yield significant health benefits.

There you go. Especially once you're in that sauna. You had that in there? I had been adding some. Clayton, what was your weekend like? Got any food updates for us? I did have a pizza ruling I needed from Jake. Hit me.

All right, so Domino's, 9.99, any pizza, any toppings. Carry out? No. They'll deliver that? Yeah, they'll deliver that. I went medium. I know large should be the play, but I went medium and just doubled the toppings

on everything. Wow, this is a great debate. This is a great debate. You know what I'd really, really like in the fully quantified life? I know your daughter was like weighing food for awhile, Dan, and I've had friends who have tried to do that, like count macros.

I wanted to where anything you eat, there's a meter right, just tell me how much it is. Calories, everything. Because the issue that Clayton is trying to solve here is if you were to take, what is it, a 12 inch pie as opposed to let's say 16 or 14. 14. If you were to just layer six toppings of meat,

veggies, cheese, your choice, over that 12 inch, would you actually get more pizza by calorie fat protein than if you went like two toppings on a wider pizza? Well, the wider is gonna have your a lot more crust and all that carbs, right? It will, but it's spread out. Like you may actually be getting well, I mean, my question is why didn't you just max out the large? Because I just didn't want all the bread.

Okay. And that's the thing is if you want to cut the bread. Yeah, you made the right call. Just cutting back. You made the right call. Yeah. Did one thin crust. The Clayton diet. With pepperoni and Canadian bacon and then one hand tossed with hamburger and What do you stand on breakfast bacon on pizza? Cuz that's my cheat code people don't fuck with it much sorry People don't say it, but use it much

No, no, no, I'm personally trying it has its place on the show I do breakfast bacon sausage pepperoni thin and that's what I did Friday night. I almost sent you a picture, it was two a.m. Oh, good. Yeah. Because my quick run through, Dan, is I went to Grady Spencer's show in Fort Worth Friday night, a song swap.

I don't know if you've ever been to one of those, but it wasn't like the work were not working. It was Grady and two other singer-songwriter guys, one from Oklahoma, one from Fort Worth, and it's three dudes up on stage, standing or on stools, and they just, they play songs. One, two, three, back around telling stories. They hop on with each other's songs

and, you know, noodle around. It's cool. I've never heard of that. Yeah, so I have a bit of a mystery on my hands. Friday, my kids were gonna be staying elsewhere and months ago I'd made a reservation at a restaurant with my, for my wife and I. Did I talk about the reservation on the show?

I don't think so. I don't think I did either. But I knew I mentioned that I talk about the reservation on the show? I don't think so. I don't think I did either. But I knew I mentioned that I was going to Grady, but I made this reservation at this Italian restaurant, No Cliff, like three months ago. It's really hard to get in. It's a small place. I just wanted to go forever.

So I made this. You gotta pay 50 bucks. So the morning of, my wife is like, oh, you know, I hear this Grady thing actually sounds pretty cool. And I just, I didn't tell her that we would have to pay $50 to cancel the dinner reservation. I said, which would you rather do?

She said, let's go see Grady. I never canceled the dinner reservation. They emailed me like 45 minutes into the show Friday and canceled it. But like, I didn't cancel it. I was intending to, and it's still a mystery to me. I've left message, because I want my money back if this is the case, but I don't know.

It's a very strange, very strange deal. But so we went to Grady's show, and ran into a buddy of ours, Rylan Rowe out there and his wife. He of, Mayor Pro Tem of Trophy Club. Who? Rylan. Oh really?

Yeah. And they've got like scandal and controversy and all that sort of stuff in the news. It's fun to talk about or just hear about. Yeah, it was fantastic, man. Great, he's the man. I don't know, it's such a great scene for his vibe. He was at the Post in Fort Worth, it was packed,

it was sold out. Saw Wired Scott, brother of Wired Will. Great time. You know, I forgot to tell you too. Quick hit sorry for my weekend check, back to it. Because I flew to Atlanta, had to rent a truck to help remove her bed and all that, and then drove to Clemson. That's a two hour drive.

The Atlanta Highway when you get on just outside the airport, you know how they can rename stretches of highway? They have the Tom Landry Highway if you drive to Arlington. The Atlanta Highway is the Jeff Foxworthy Highway. That's awesome. I just felt you needed to know that. What was your take at the time of Blue Collar Comedy Tour? Like when it was really popping. Like Get Her Done? As a guy who, yeah, but it was the whole thing, right?

It was Get Her Done and Here's Your Sign and. It's I Can't Believe It Exists and well, whatever. I guess there's a market, you know, a lot of people like country music too and I do not. So. Yeah, a lot of cops over there I guess. But if you listen to some of that stuff, it's good. I think Ron White has really really really great comedic talent

Look the get-her-done guy does too. They all they all do I mean they're timing the way they do you know? It's it's actually good stuff. Yeah, but I'm I'm too snobby. I need I need high-toned but Listen to it and see how they're crafting it. They are, they're playing characters. They're doing great. You know, it's more high-toned than you think. Yeah, I guess when I listen to Larry the Cable Guy,

the character distracts me from what he's actually trying to do, and that's probably on me. I should revisit that, to be honest with you. Yeah. So, Sunday had an interesting bit. There's a new place up at Granscape called Fritz's Adventures. You might have seen it when we were up there

for the dumb zone generic summer event. I don't really know how to describe this other than it's an indoor like play place slash adventure park. So it's got slides, but it's also got a lot of zip lining. And like you can wear harnesses and do all sorts of cool crazy stuff. So my wife has this thing of like we've gotta leave the house.

I happen to think we have a pool and there's an amusement park in our backyard and there's no need to leave but we gotta leave. So we went out to this place. My kids are 6 and 2. My 2 year old is barely tall enough to do anything there. But he is tall enough to do most of it. And 15 minutes in it becomes clear this is just not for us. Like the kid's too small, really hard to do any of it on his own. You just can't, like you gotta be able to pull yourself.

And Nora's just like, this is not me. You just sat there. And I'm like, I'll write it out, but I'm hoping, you know you're hoping your wife will realize she made a mistake without you having to tell her. Yeah, you can't. Everybody knows exactly what I'm saying. I'm like, it's OK.

I'm going to ride this out. I already plan to be here an hour and a half. If it sucks, it sucks. But about 15 minutes in, she goes, I think I'm going to go ask for a refund. And I was like, well, I mean, we can leave. We can stay if they want, whatever. And she came back like three minutes later,

she's like, yeah, let's go. She got the refund, huh? Yeah, she said they were like, of course, whatever. We're not gonna, cause like also, in a weird, you'd have to see images of this, but the slide, there's kind of almost like an industrial feel to it. The slides are not plastic, They're metal or steel,

and they're like graded sort of. So your foot can get stuck in there if they're too small. And it quickly became obvious, this is, he's too small. And they, we told them that, and they were like, yeah, sure. Did you do the too small celebration on him? Just walking over them. So we just said, all right, well, we're out on the way home.

There's a place in Coppell, Coppell Nature Preserve, if anybody's looking for cool hiking spots for kids. Knock that out for an hour and a half, and I'm home in time to see the Rangers give me sweet sex, bitch. It's all about killing time with the kids. And see, I don't look at it that way. I'm not trying to be, you know. I mean, I enjoyed the time, but you're killing it.

You're wanting them. You're entertaining. Every weekend, you're entertaining. Yeah. You have visitors from out of town in every weekend, because it's your kids. Yeah. And you can't just sit in the house,

because I can just sit in the house. And so could they. Yeah. And you can't just sit in the house because I can just sit in the house. And so could they. Yeah. They could and will. That's why. You kind of don't want to say all right just sit on the electronics all weekend. Yeah. And Blake does that too right. Driving. Yeah. Brooks here and there. Taking him to Chuck E. Cheese. How I saw Wire Will hit a picture of himself with his kid at that. Cleveland baseball. Yeah. One quick note that came up over the weekend that Rylan and I were talking about at Grady's show Friday night.

This may not hit with Dan because you didn't grow up here, but do you guys remember thinking when you were younger that the lottery was going to solve education in the state of Texas? That was never marketed to you? That was definitely the same thing in Ohio. He and I both had that recollection. That's how...

Like, big time. Yeah, there was a lot of people worried about why are we even doing this, the morality of it. Yeah, and in Texas, you're like, whoa, that's... But... And I wouldn't just... Yes, just, it's the force field. Oh, it's education, and it's gonna, yeah.

And then, yes, then you send your kid to a good school and they're doing car washes to raise more money. Like, why, why are you doing this? And, well, I guess the state doesn't give them enough money. Like, yeah. It was just one of those things that I thought, shouldn't the boy that I looked it up and it's like, yeah, of course it was fully a marketing campaign.

I get contributes to the overall state budget in the way that every other revenue source does. It would be like saying all these things contribute to 10 categories, but with the lottery saying it contributes to education. Not the nine, you know what? It's a complete ruse. And now I just, there was a lot of talk this weekend

about like gambling. Somebody posted something that got people talking about, like we have a pandemic, like we have a societal ill now. Who could have seen it? With gambling addiction, and it got me thinking about the lottery when I was a kid. Maybe I don't think I have anything else too big. Blake?

I kind of had a squared away weekend. Yard mowed, dishes done, laundry done, house swept and mopped. You can't beat it. Getting ready for, I guess, the baby or just, I don't know. Oh, that's right. Your wife is super, super pregnant. You're nesting. Well, I saw her last week or a couple whenever we were over here

fixing this place up and She's a very small lady. Yeah Which makes it even more like that baby makes it looks very uncomfortable for her Yeah, yeah, if you look at her from like behind you think nothing, but then she turns this way and it's just a ginormous belly But yeah kind of a boring weekend, but I did talk to Angelo on the phone Your homeless guy. Yeah my homeless guy because He does the thing where I text him and he calls me. Yeah. Oh god I've been that guy for people and I know I'm a beating. I just have to explain it.

Which honestly kind of helps because he can't text. He can't get his thoughts in a text form at all. I feel you, Angela. He, um... Or he wants to do a thumbs up but he needs it to be a thumb up with a glove. No hole, yeah. Cut off. Somebody gave me the idea that rather than kinda out that I can see everything he buys,

to just ask him if, is the $100 a month better for you so that you can buy other things? I don't have to tell him I'm seeing every one of his purchases, cause then the cat is kind of out of the bag. Because the $32 purchase at the hardware store not possible under the old right? Setup yeah, and so his first much you saved it for a week with the hundred dollars was

$32 at Lowe's and I kind of walked him into trying to get him to tell me what he bought Fantastic and he bought a portable charger, because he said it charges his, he said he has asthma, he's got diabetes, and he needs to charge some of his tools for those, and his phone, which he's on all the time. So, I feel like that's kind of growth. Yeah, very smart. I feel like that's kind of growth. Yeah, very smart.

I feel like you kind of just judged him for too much screen time, which is weird. But you're right. That actually makes all the sense in the world. Again, TC and I interviewed a listener of ours who was homeless for a couple of years. And he did reiterate, you've got to get a phone, and you reliably

have to have it charged. Yeah. So that makes sense and then you add in, what even the Asmas are USB now, huh? The inhalers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. And then maybe his monitors for his. Yeah, glucose.

Which I'm not really sure how he has diabetes. He has like a really healthy diet. It could be type 1. As I'm typing in, so he lost his card again. No, he lost the Hundo card. Well, I say lost. He says it was stolen, and he thinks he knows who did it. Oh, god, we got beef, street beef.

I wanted to hear all about it. And so I had to buy him food over the weekend. Did anybody use the card? No. Okay. No. So, okay, that's good. No, I mean, I lock it pretty quick.

Jones Bank fraud protection. Well, but you also have to have a pin since it's a debit card. Okay. So yeah, I had to buy him food over the weekend and it's, he likes McDonald's. There's a McDonald's downtown that he goes to.

Who doesn't? You're not gonna beat it. And like I told you on the show, he gives me what he wants to order and I will tell him what he's getting based off of the rewards I can get. And so there's a 30% off McNuggets. I did that, but then I saw that he wanted fries and a drink

and you get a free fry with the purchase of a large drink But McDonald's locks you into the deals to where you can only use it one deal 15 minutes, okay So I said here are your McNuggets wait 15 minutes, and then you'll get your fries and drink Incredible Yeah, I In today's trying to turn me into a Republican, I simply would like our hobos to have the wherewithal to

not think they need soda. It's the most overpriced, marked up product in society. Such empty calories. Just stay away from that. It's not doing anything for you. Nothing, dude. Yeah.

So there was $46 left on the card before he lost slash got it stolen. And he asked me several times, because there's no just he remembers what I told him. That's going to carry over, right? So next month I'll have $146. Yes. OK.

So the money rolls over, right? Like I'm going to have $146 next month? Yes. And so I'm very interested to see what he does with that. But whether it was lost or stolen, he did not spend at the rate that we thought he would. Yeah, we're at the end of the month. This is working.

Yeah, and he bought something besides tacos. He bought something he needed. Or, yeah, I mean, he's kind of shifted you to his long-term portfolio for like bigger purchases. Yeah. Like he's got other guys to nickel and don. Sadly. Let's give some love to Koalas Roofing.

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They're out the, I was the first one in my neighborhood with a new roof. And they handled everything for me quickly. To our knowledge, you are not required to bow to them when they complete the roof work, like some of the other services offered in Blake's neighborhood for roofing. Yeah, or they will not code switch to you.

Correct. They will just give you a firm handshake and a simulator. Right. Oh yeah, I like that. I think the Cowboys are our big sports news. I'm fired up that we are going to training camp in two weeks. Two weeks from today we will do our first show out there. Heck yeah. We'll be there over the weekend, getting prepped up. So I'm sure our first show out there will be similar to this show here. Oh, ears! Ah! And then we'll get it settled about five minutes in.

But... Cowboys training camp, it's boring but not boring. Just the general idea of training camp is boring and maybe that's where Jerry Jones is a genius because Cowboys training camp is not boring. Because there's things going on and it's all revolving around the next big contract of course and that's Micah Parsons I'm sure that's all you did last week or a lot of it right yeah every day there's more Micah like I couldn't believe I'm so upset I wasn't doing the show because it's like

oh my gosh Micah and Trayvon are doing their own impromptu press conference on the field just going live live. Just ripping Jerry. Yeah. And I tuned in to you for a little while and you were like, it's so weird because like Jerry's 10 feet away from him doing his own thing, kind of probably saying stuff about Micah. And this is the whole it's it's insane. You know, what it got me thinking is what would you be talking about if there wasn't Micah?

I think you you might be being a little more like are we sure about The shotty guy how do we end up here? So I'm not saying it's intentional, but I just every offseason try to think like okay Well if we removed is a thing that seems kind of pointless to talk about Micah whether it gets done now It gets done next year. He's gonna become the highest paid player. He's gonna be a cowboy for another contract how it gets done next year. He's going to become the highest paid player. He's going to be a cowboy for another contract. Whatever.

But what would we be talking about if Micah were signed in March like Osso Digizua was? Well, yeah. What position battles? Probably it'd be a lot more positivity. It'd be about George Pickens looks good, and how is he going to fit in? And I guess we got time for that, though.

You know? Yeah. This is more exciting. I guess I'm just saying, I think Abs and Micah people might be maybe more critical of Shottie. Oh, I see. Yeah. But at the same time, we are all in honeymoon phase,

so maybe not. Right. No. And another thing that's really. I just think if the Steelers would have replaced Mike Tomlin with Brian Schottenheimer, they would have spent all camp talking about it You know, it doesn't matter what kind it's a big deal. You're right Focus on Micah because it's like whatever this shoddy thing. Yes, that should be one of the biggest stories in the NFL

The cow hired the most popular guy that nobody's ever Thought to hire before in this kind of a level. The most popular brand in sports hired a guy no one else was going to hire and it's like a tertiary story to camp. Oh, by the way, so the thing you made, the audio product, the hard knocks bit, that was very good. Blake then laying video over it and putting it out on our Twitter this weekend, that thing is a chef's kiss. 10 of 10. Let's give our hat tip to Henry. That thing is helping us out. Oh did Henry help out on that too? That thing is

awesome. Like I was talking to Blake about it this morning like this should it should catch fire. I don't know how it went like it's not going to get the do it deserves. I want him to see it and I want him to know like hey I'm a fan we're joking around but listen I'm in but I want Shottie to see it. It's incredible but I heard Machota talking about Micah's contract and it was right after the the opening to Camp press conference that we broke down but we didn't really look at it in this way. When Jerry was talking about, remember his dancing around the, well, you know, I mean, sometimes where you start

isn't where they are. Or maybe that was Stephen. Where you start isn't where they are now. Or Jerry like, hey, it doesn't always, it's always, Jerry's talking about projection. I reread it this morning. He was talking about projection, right? He's like, you ever think that those numbers aren't always what they say they're going to be? Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. So that is my old theory of their their the way they do things changes. Every time they do a new thing. They don't have like a Steelers, this is the way we deal with a guy like Le'Veon Bell. And when Antonio Brown, you want to play Le'Veon Bell? We've already showed you. That's the way we deal with all of them. Maybe we'll get a quarterback exception.

Every team does kind of a quarterback exception, Bengals, you know. But otherwise, this is how we deal with. We don't do contracts ahead of time. We don't do this and that. But the Cowboys do it different every time. Now, every time, they do cave in the end. So if you have a real top-notch player, top of his position in the NFL player, like Dak, like, you know. Just use Zach Martin.

Zeke, like Zach Martin, same thing. They will end up caving. But the the reason that Jerry is wary of Micah now is because they got bit in the ass with Dak because that was what they heard from Dak's people is you know Dak, Dax is, okay, sure, it's top of the market now, but pretty soon he'll be the fifth highest paid quarterback, and then he'll be the tenth, and you won't think this is a bad deal. Well, after Dax, Josh Allen signed a deal for less than Dax. Yeah.

And no one, no one would, if you have Josh Allen, unless you're Nico Harrison, would trade Josh Allen for Dak. Like, Josh Allen is the reason the Bills go. He doesn't, they've kind of proven, I don't need to put All-Stars at every position around Josh Allen. He's Josh Allen. He's on that level of Mahomes. He's on that level of Mahomes, he's on the level of Lamar Jackson. I would say those are the only three guys, unless you can think of another one, on that level in the NFL right now.

No, no. There's a higher level of quarterback. Yeah, I mean, there's usually, I think we, six, right, three and three, but like Burrow. Burrow's deal was done after. Yeah. But yeah, they're not at the level of DAC yet. Like DAC is still the highest paid contract.

And that's the point where now. You're right. That's all this is. I'm mad at myself for not thinking of this. Yeah, me too. Because that's what he's looking at. And now, you know, Micah's people, who started at whatever 35 or 30, you know, and then

Max Crosby and Miles Garrett get signed after they had started the talks, and they're like, well, let's move now. And that's where the Cowboys are like, whoa, wait, wait, no, it's not necessarily have to go up. See? See how Josh Allen didn't? See how Bur Allen didn't? See how Burrow didn't? Well, Mike, the problem is, is yeah, those quarterbacks did take what's more of a, you

know, quote, team-friendly deal than Dak did for the Cowboys. And the weird thing is, with the Cowboys and the way they do these deals, and this is going to match up with Jake Ferguson getting a deal, is that they always drag out the high, high end contracts and get the little guys done kind of quickly at fair market value. The high, high end guys, the problem with doing it like this is like if Micah did hit the open market

he would get 40 million a year or whatever. He would get like we saw it with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins was not a 30 million dollars every dollar guaranteed guy at the time that he signed it but when he became free he was you know of course to me this is like I heard I read some article which is talking about money management which was basically saying if you clip coupons and you turn the light off when you leave the room to save electricity and blah, blah, blah, you're wasting your time. Your real focus should be on the big things.

What are you doing with the investments that you have? The money, the house that you buy, the car that you buy, that's where you really, the big things is where you really can make money or save money. The other things are just kind of like a waste of your time, but you feel good about it, so you sit and clip coupons and you just saved $40 this week. You return things. Add that $40, yeah, add that up all year and you've now saved, you know, whatever, $2,000. Whereas if you really were focusing on your now saved, you know, whatever, $2,000. Whereas if you really were focusing on your big invest, you know, you could have really made some money there.

And that's where the cowboys, oh, look at these good deals. Look how I got Jake Ferguson done. Well, oh yeah, because if Jake Ferguson was totally free, yeah, he might get that deal. Like, he's not going to break that deal though. So the way that I wrote about the Ferguson thing this morning is pretty much what you're saying, although it had not occurred to me that clearly as much as Dak is mentioned by Jerry and is this the first time this has happened in the last decade where somebody signed a contract and immediately was like, whoa, we don't want to go over that actually. But the way it seems to be, yes,

if you're at a top of your position type player, they're going to wait till the very end and then they're going to give you top of market value. If you're a middle type player, now it's been Trayvon, who I think became like the seventh or eighth highest paid corner. This deal makes Ferguson the seventh highest paid tight end. Osa is the 14th highest paid defensive tackle. Terrence Steele, who Jerry mentioned, certainly didn't break the bank.

Jalen Smith is one that comes to mind as a guy who Was you remember when that would happen? It was the ultimate? Freaking performative because they were dealing with like Dak Zeke They were doing a lot and then they're like we have a contract extension. It's Jalen Smith, right? Nobody and it's cheap here. Oh, I mean, he's okay Didn't allow Collins that same offseason. That sounds right. yeah. Yeah, so if you're, and really this is not complicated, it's obvious, if there is some projection or a lot of projection involved in your contract, they don't really want to engage in it because that's risk.

It just goes back to the thing of, as great as trading for George Pickens is, because there is some risk there, they don't like to engage in risk. And risk is involved in projection. So yeah, sometimes you might be wrong. You may guess the number and the number may be high. You may guess the number and the player gets hurt.

And there's risk there. There's zero risk as you described in making Jake Ferguson the seventh highest paid tight end. Like, it seems, I'll tell you what is odd to me about it. If you walk through the timeline, so they drafted him, or Ferguson shows up in what, 22? And then in that off season, they let Dalton Schultz walk. So Dalton Schultz leaves in that off season

and goes and plays for the Texans starting in 2023. And that's the year Jake Ferguson breaks out. Huge numbers. Really, he looked to me like Dalton Schultz. He just looked like a developed Dalton Schultz, leading you to think, hey, you could roll out of bed and get 60 and 700 as a tight end in this offense Because that's gonna get you

But then they drafted Luke's schoonmaker in the second round that year which made me think alright That's a little weird because you just let a pretty good tight end walk who was productive after that got really sideways now Dalton Schultz looks like he had an egg on his face at first because he had to take a one year prove it, but he just signed a three year deal. He got his, right? That worked out for him. Dallas goes back to the drawing board with Luke Schoonmaker and my thought is, all right, well they're just gonna throw bullets at this tight end position,

but they don't see it as one that they have to really like throw a lot of resources at. You know, we got a second round pick in here, we got Ferguson. Well, now you're just paying Jake Ferguson the exact same contract relative to the cap that you could have had with Dalton Schultz. And if you had just done that,

you probably don't waste a second round pick on Luke Schoonmaker in the process. Like, yeah, he's a couple years younger, Ferguson than Schultz, but this just goes back to your point of, like, he's a couple years younger, Ferguson, than Schultz, but this just goes back to your point of, like, there's really no consistent thing here. Right, if they had said, all right, we're going to let Jake Ferguson walk, because you said this when they let Dalton Schultz walk. You said the problem with Dalton Schultz is Dalton Schultz, and that you feel like you can draft another Dalton Schultz in the third round

Right. You don't really need to put you don't have to pay it and then a guy like that. He's not a game-breaker He's not a there are difference making tight ends kind of like quarterbacks, right? There's three guys and You know, you could argue at certain, who's the San Francisco tight end? You got Kelsey. Yeah. And there's always- There's a new crop coming, but yeah.

There's always a few that really stand out, and they're really worthy. Otherwise, it's the running back position, certain positions. Totally. And it felt like that's where the Cowboys were headed. And I felt good about that. Because- Why not? Okay, you got to say you're paying these high end stars.

OK, don't put $12 million at tight end. Like, I think you, I'm on team, you've got to have a really good second wide receiver in the NFL. But I would concede that once you do, you do not need a top tier tight end. Right. You need to protect your quarterback. But if you have a top tier tight end,

you might not need that second wide receiver to have as much resources. So not only was Dalton Schultz the best argument for not bringing back Dalton Schultz if you wanted to make that argument, the second best one was then Jake Ferguson was just also really good the year he replaced Dalton Schultz. And he was, what, a fourth? Or Hendershot was undrafted. Ferguson was, also really good the year he replaced Dalton Schultz. And he was, what, a fourth?

Or, Hendershot was undrafted, Ferguson was, I think, the point is, you're like, oh, we just did it. Okay, well. You can find a thousand yard rusher. Then they went. You can't find a Barclay. Then they went and took Schoonmaker, which I hated at the time, and I'm not even draft guy.

I just hate bucking the big board by 48, 50 spots. It almost never works. And so they drafted Luke Schoonmaker that year after taking Mazzie in the first round, and it was like, well, he looks a lot like Dalton Schultz and Jake Ferguson to me. You know, there was Dalton Kincaid, who went in the first round,

who's a pass catching threat more. Sam Laporta, same type. Michael Meyer in the first round, who's a pass catching threat more. Sam Laporta, same type. Michael Meyer in the first round, more of a blocking type. They just drafted another guy who's very similar to Ferguson, which I guess again, you could defend, right up until the point they then also pay Jake Ferguson. That's the thing that I have a hard time squaring.

It just seems like there's a little bit of, the money people and the scouting people seem to get crossways. But I am happy for Jake Ferguson. Guy finally gets a win in his life, Blake. Well. My wife asked me, I always judge this. This lets you know how out my wife was on the Cowboys,

at least last year. She said, what are you riding Cowboys? I was like, well, they signed Jake Ferguson. She said, who is that? I said, they're tight end. And she goes, white guy? And I said, yeah. And she goes, hot?

I said, yeah. I showed her. And she's like, oh, it's the Cavender Twin. Yeah. Oh, he's dating? He's engaged to one of the Cavender twins. And here's a brief. Are they in TCU?

I think they're out now. Florida? Miami? They were TCU, right? But like, don't act like you don't know. They were Miami. Then yeah, one of them came here. And then the Haley Van Lee thing threw everything off.

That's a different person I'm just coming to understand. Yeah. OK, here's a little bit from Dalton Schultz press conference. I didn't really put it in. Dalton Schultz? Excuse me, Jake Ferguson after he signed his deal. Can you be?

I mean, I don't have a ceiling for myself. Was the question, how much better can you be? You know, I just think about the same position, Coach, the football journey. And getting to this point, you know, it's money but it also doesn't change things. I still have to prove everything. I still have to get out there in between the lines and work my tail off and you know, the ultimate goal is to win as many games as possible.

I mean, I don't have a ceiling for myself. I try to come in each day with one thing to work on. Not much. Really can't be that much better. I try to come in each day with one thing to work on. Not much. Really can't be that much better. I'm pretty good right now. Yeah, kind of kick ass. Like, can you do what I did? You know, that's my focus that day.

I try to stay where my feet are. Don't try to look too far in the future. That's why we're here. I try to look too far in the back in the path. Your quarterback really kind of does become like an oracle or prophet or religious figure within your organization where everybody all of a sudden is like, maybe Dude Perfect's not lame. He just starts acting like him.

But listen, the dude can play. Here's my conclusion to the Jake Ferguson thing. You probably had to do it. Because if Luke Schoonmaker hasn't really shown you much, and Dak's not feeling him, like I don't think Dak was real thrilled that they let Schultz walk. And kind of like Luca with Lively, was like, kind of fell bass-ackwards into Ferguson. Luca was pissed that they didn't get a center

that off-season, And then they got lively. So I know Dak was not happy with losing Schultz, but here's Ferguson, and you cannot let him walk right now. They got about a two and a half, I don't know, three season window in my mind, where they still have like a puncher's chance with the best weapons around Dak. Now, what's gonna get interesting is next off season,

when they tell you that the 3.5 or whatever it ends up being, 2.5% of the cap that Jake Ferguson is taking is why they can't bring back George Pickens and why Jalen Brooks is ready to take a big leap in his contract here as wide receiver too. Yeah, that's the thing about George Pickens. You want him to ball out, but. Dude, I was doing, I just. If he does, he's gonna command a $30 million a year contract, or 25.

I geeked out super hard on contract stuff last night, and his projections are over 30 right now. Yeah, cause spares are, guys you would kinda think are kinda spares are getting that. It's gonna be that weird thing we talked about where baked into his numbers are like, yeah, but how much more could he have produced if he was a one for some team that's kind of dumb?

What are you thinking fantasy, Blake? Going two wide receivers before you choose any other position? I think you're doing this to make Jake mad, but I'm holding on to it. I swear I'm going to- I think you got to get your stud running back early and then, I mean, there's tons of receivers you can grab. All right.

Is Jamir Gibbs the first pick? I'm just saying the fantasy does one follows the other. That's why I'm interested. So the NFL now is you've got to have two wide receivers and maybe a running back. Yeah, I think this is kind of what happened to tight end. I think the way you look at it, I always looked at it as, like I got five guys, right?

You always got five guys. Don't look at them as like one, two, three, four, five spots. It's like weight them, right? Like you don't need one, you need half a running back. You might need half of a wide receiver three. So like, let's stack that up as far as how you're gonna use your resources. Just think of it as snaps played almost.

I just don't think you need, starting lineups don't mean anything, right? Personnel packages are way different. The thing I was looking at last night that is really just a reminder of how good players, I don't say how good players have it, but how unions have been successful. For example, on Oso Digizua's rookie contract,

he was being paid like 900 grand a year, something like that, and his current contract's gonna pay him 20 million a year. There are websites that you can go to that will try to tie like PFF grades to contract valuation, kind of like they do with war and dollars in baseball. Okay. Where you try to say like, oh, it's a three win player.

Per dollar spent though. This year that's worth about 24 million, we paid him 16, that's eight million surplus value from that player. And really what you realize is that everybody in the NFL other than quarterbacks is massively overpaid if they're not on a rookie deal. Because if you cap the amount of,

let me put it to you like this. Like OSA was generating 11, 12, 13 million dollars of value. Like crazy over 800 grand. But you have to pay 21 million a year to keep him. He hasn't generated that much and he never will. You know what I mean? Like the market is set up to, if you can make it to the second contract,

we're all just acknowledging, we're paying you because you got to this point. You cannot be viewed as a guy who's ever, because the only players that generate commensurate value are quarterbacks and you see this NBA superstar players so Jake Ferguson's overpaid but you're paying us like you owe us for all the years you hold us thank you Blake. We have a new sponsor. Poncho. So it's shirts. I never knew much about Poncho. Did you know about these guys before? I did. Yes. Okay. The shirts are sweet, dude. You know I love like lots of bits. These

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sweaty. That's what I need. That's what I get with poncho shorts. Shirts ponchooutdoors.com hosts will get you 10 bucks off your first order. These things are super cool. And the outdoor shirts, it's just cotton and stiff and it shrinks and it fits weird. That's out. That's your dad's your grandpa's game. So like I said, the website is 10% off your first order. There you go. $10. Sorry. ponchooutdoors.com slash host. By the way, so I'm reading the copy and I always look for typos. And it seems like they had it. So because they

have what Clayton put on the screen which is ponchooutdoors.com slash host but it only had one O so poncho but not poncho and then another outdoors but in the copy it says that's P-O-N-C-H-O, outdoors.com. And I thought, ooh, I have noticed a typo. I can tell them that they have screwed this up. But first, I went to the website. I typed it in both ways, and they both will get you there. Wow. How about that?

They'll pay for two URLs, bro. Base is covered, just like they have with their shirts. Yeah, whatever. I want to do a little today on Twitter, because. Just like they have with their shirts. Yeah, whatever Twitter because the Dumbbell presents Today in Twitter. I have two things for you one. I Want to see if establish the run guy likes it. It's from Jamie Newberg

Jamie Newberg watching the game last night and he's he's tweeting and he's disgusted and He put up this tweet. Can you put it up Clayton? The Jamie Newberg tweet, I want to establish the wrong guy to read this and think if he was watching the Ranger game would he think the same thing? Newberg tweeted, maybe the crowd can hit pause on the wave and give Jack a standing ovation coming off the field. Yeah, very anti-wave. And yeah, when you're starting pitcher, does something like that. Yeah, I hate the wave. The wave sucks. I won't let Bricks do the wave or participate. The wave absolutely sucks.

I am pro-wave and guess what I am? With 95% of the public, people are listening to me, cheering me right now. They're thinking of carrying me on their shoulders at some point. Somebody just yelled hip hip and they're waiting for another guy to yell hooray. Every now and then, Blake, we have to somehow remind him that the people are usually wrong. He tends to get it, but for some reason, he has this blind spot. The guy who also says, like, hey, I don't really need cheerleaders at my sports because I don't really need, you know, I got the sports.

What is the way, what am I doing? What are we doing with the way, calisthenics? It's fun. It looks so cool. It's fun to watch people play sports. That's why I'm already there. But it looks so cool, that wave just going around, like, how is that happening? I don't there. Fuck, check. But it looks so cool, that wave just going around, like how is that happening?

I don't know, dude, like, I was gonna say, why not bring in like frisbees and throw stuff around? But they do that too, so I guess, yeah. I would prefer they not have any of that. I'm not letting Brooks do the waves. I'm calling Child Protective Services. The Jack Leiter thing is, that's a real issue. If you're doing the wave at the game yesterday after watching...

Oh my gosh, he didn't get a standing ovation? He's a freaking... Bad fan. Bad fan. He's going to have a long career. Let's give him some time. How about once you could have a wave? How about never? How about don't break the seal on the wave ever? Not a baseball town. I'm signing with the angels. God told me to. I forgot what my other today on Twitter was. What's my other one, Clayton? Let's pop it up, I don't even know what it is.

I saw it in there earlier, what is it? Oh, am I? Oh, there you go, yeah. Oh, the Chargers. Yeah, but we're on that wall now, aren't we? So yeah, people will send me. The Chargers announced a one-day contract. Isaac Rochelle?

I don't know if I know who this is. I don't know who he is. And I don't know all the 53 of every team. But we're looking for the, like, back in the old days, did the study of all NBA retired numbers, were able to put it in a machine and determine the worst retired number in the NBA, based on statistics, was Jim Losketoff.

Jungle Jim. The Boston Celtics, somewhere in the 50s or something, you know, he was just white and they were like look everybody else Got their number retired and the second worst was Brad Davis for the Mavericks if you look at just stats But now we have Isaac now. We're looking for the worst ever one day Who is he he only started 11 games in his career Dude and think about they play he's a defensive it, man. Who is he? He only started 11 games in his career. Dude, and think about this. What did he play?

He's a past rusher, yeah. Earlier this, just a couple weeks ago, they had Philip Rivers, and it was a big video, and like, hey, I'm signing to retire, charger legend. Now this guy's like, me too. Okay, can I get some of that? Nine sacks. I had a quick today in Twitter, which is,

it's less a today in Twitter and more a, we're just not gonna talk about the Luca men's health thing. 70 career tackles. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. It's all the rage. Oh, what's the Luca thing? You can see him all ripped on the cover of Men's Health. It's all the rage. What's the Luca thing?

You can see him all ripped on the cover of Men's Health. He's hot as hell. It's really unfortunate the way this is going to work narrative-wise. Is that Game Day Men's Health magazine? I can tell you this. Your only chance at looking like that is by going to Game Day Mid-South and getting 10% off TRT. That's your only shot. Yeah.

He does look ripped there. Yeah, so what's gonna happen? This is the frustrating thing to me, is this article which I've basically just skimmed, I can't really, I can't do it. I'll do it. It does describe his workouts, but it's important to note,

Luke has been working out this whole time. There's a narrative around him, certainly, that he's not Kobe, he's not Jordan, like, living in the gym, but the guy was coming over here to work out at Santa Barbara, P3 in Santa Barbara, like an elite training place when he was 17 years old. This is not, I just feel like treating it like- Is that the place that discovered his deceleration was incredible?

Yeah. You see him working out every off season. You see him looking ripped every off season. It just seems like this, this thing of he's out of shape and it was a problem and his body's breaking down. It acts like 2023 didn't happen. Or whatever it was, yeah, 23. He came back from injury, played almost the entire season, played through the finals after playing in the Olympics. That's when he hired his body team.

So the narrative should be he started getting this right the year they went to the finals. That's the year he brought in the guy that they're talking about in this article. That's the year he brought in his own nutrition people. But the way this is going to be written is that SiriusLuca2.0 started the day that he met LeBron and was inspired by the spirit of the Mamba and it's bullshit and we'll be the only one saying it not we but Mavs fans. You know what I think is interesting because I know you had machine on the other day and he you said at the end of the show he said something about Lucas people or something like Lucas people

are they're looking for how to publicize Luca and use Luca right. Can you imagine the behind the scenes? Are people just calling Men's Health magazine saying, how do I get my client on your cover? Oh, well, there's a, yeah, it's a whole PR game. And obviously Luca's top, that being an easy one, they go, okay, yeah, of course, we want Luca. I wonder how many other guys are trying to get on there. It depends. Yeah, a lot, if you've got a story to sell. For example, the podcast I've referenced to you before

that I was to do, the Adam Friedland show, that show came back for a, quote, season two this year. And he's in 10 magazine interviews and on 10 other podcasts. And it occurred to me like, oh, there's just a level you get to where you got a person, they're pitching you to all this stuff. And Lucas people knew that his body was gonna be a story,

so this is brilliant. This was done the second he got traded called FAT. You know what I mean? From a PR standpoint, it's like, really? Okay, we're going to rub your nose in this. And that's what he's going to do. It would appear. Yeah. And I think he was being called fat and stuff before. So it's not like this started that. I do think the natural progression of Luca, like you said, he had started this stuff before the trade. So that's the natural progression of a young player. And there's

not even a lot of sample size on 19 year olds coming to the NBA, but that's Dirk. Yeah, buddy. No, LeBron. LeBron wasn't LeBron for year one. He was probably eating McDonald's. I saw Bobby Corolla posting a video today of Dirk talking about, I think it was either seven or eight years in is when I didn't even think about my diet until then. When they did the Nash let him walk, it ended up saying, and even Nash, I think, himself said,

that was kind of a wake up call. And he actually started to dedicate, you know, more to just his craft and his body and all that kind of stuff. But I also think that, in a way, would have naturally happened, maybe a little later, but it would have happened. All these athletes, they go through the same thing. And that's why I hate that in the end it is going to be, oh, he got with LeBron and LeBron taught him more. What I really don't want is you know Nico trading him is what inspired him to do this so you kind of thank Nico. Give some credit, yeah. Like I don't want to, I don't want Nico Harrison to ever have credit for this guy actually turning into who we thought he was going to turn into anyway. Right. Which he already is.

It's that's the thing about Luca. It's not like he's there already. It's not like you have to say, my gosh, the projections on this Luca kid. Why'd you give up before he made it? No, he made it. He was already there. He was already kind of further than any other player. His age, except for three players. Ever players ever ever not like three now in the NBA like three ever I have one more I have one more quick today in Twitter I

sort of predicted this last week but a listener sent me so you were gone when Hulk Hogan died and we were kicking around how why... A lot of death. Who do we have? We had Ozzy. Ozzy, Hulk Hogan, and then the Cosby. Yeah, the oldest son from the Cosbys. That's right. Son, yeah. I don't recall his name. I just saw Malcolm Jamal Warner.

I saw him in episode, is it two or three, of my new show that I'm plowing through, The Detroiters? Oh, dude, yeah. That's so cool. Oh, dude, yeah. Yeah, I've tried to put you on it before, but that's OK. That's a great show. It really is. It makes me feel good.

And I also heard you last week, so I tuned in sporadically. Now you know why I like making those jingles. Yeah. They're so bad. So I heard you last week. I said I would jump in sporadically. I love that. I do love the subscriber able to watch the show live on YouTube.

Yeah, dude. I mean, I forget about it. Or Tuesday and Friday. But Grady was screen printing shirts for his show Friday night, watching the video. Yeah. Oh, I forget. But you were saying you've been plowing through old sketch shows? Yeah.

I'm trying. Okay, so why does Kid you know you're saying not... Not yet. Where it's living up to your memory. Not yet. So listen, the first sketch of the show is H-I-T-L-E-R. You're going to... And it's great.

That's a high bar. It's, but there's. Human Giant, as I recall, was great. God, it's so good. I've kept going. And one thing I've been looking for since it was on, do you know what I'm going to say? Children's Hospital? That I think it, no, that's a not a sketch show.

Not sketch, but. I've been looking for Doggie Fizzle Televizzle ever since it aired, because my memory is that was great Like it was so much, but maybe I only My bar for Snoop being able to pull off a comedy sketch show was pretty low but as I recall Just anyway if there's no and I recue I recall being hard for Jason from the internet has Doggie Fizzle Televizzle If anyone does he does yeah I recall it being hard to find. I wonder if Jason from the internet has doggy fizzle televizzle.

If anyone does, he does. Yeah. And he'll tell me within five minutes, because he's on the internet. Well, so the Hulk Hogan news, he died. We were talking about his funeral, because as recently as like a year ago, the guy is up in front of the country,

hyping up the president, he's back in good graces, he was on the 700 Club, we did that, he was back in the limelight. One of the things that was back. Very much so. He was selling his beer. Oh that's right, he did start doing beer. What's his funeral gonna be like?

Will Trump be there? Will it be a wrestling, will it be Korean, will guys be up there like, I remember when I was fighting in Madison Square Garden? Like, what was Hulk Hogan's death like? It has to be. And it turns out Radar Online is reporting that the family is actually having some debate and fight over this with his daughter,

the one who was dating Free Reign's Phil Costa, opting for a more traditional formal funeral. One would have to believe that would include the formal do-rag that he wore in court, his black do-rag, while his son, Nick, wants him in the red and yellow. Yeah. Like wants him, you know, full hulk of media hulk. You gotta hulk it up. And you can't Terry whatever his name is. Several Terry Bollea, several conservative commentators on social media have been messaging the president, here's one, Mr. President, at real Donald Trump, please give Hulk Hogan a state funeral.

We must honor our legends in the same way the radical left honored disgraced criminal George Floyd. So apparently you could do state funerals. You don't have to be like a war hero. But yeah, I don't know, let's look up the list here. It would be awesome, right? I gotta have a party funeral, dude. Sandra Day O'Connor. God, these are all... I want chips there. There's no way George Floyd got a steak. Yo-Kiro. Oh dude, yeah, I'll hook you up. Sushi.

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It is the But we want to promote also we do have that Brandon Aubrey show this year every week you can hear your favorite kicker Who is up for a contract? This is his contract here. Maybe they'll get him done early wouldn't that be nice? What are we doing Jake Ferguson for? early. Wouldn't that be nice? What are we doing Jake Ferguson for? Dude listen, Brandon Aubrey bro. I'm old enough to remember when they signed Dan Bailey to a seven year contract. Let's go! So it's not out of the realm of possibility. I think he saw two of those years but it does happen. You think he'd take us to dinner? I would like to take him to dinner on the company dime. By the way, I would like to take him to dinner on the company dime. By the way, that chart I was telling you guys about,

just looking at value created by players and then their cap hit. You can look here for example, value over cash. Number one last year, anybody want to take a guess? Think rookie quarterbacks. And you'll get there. Daniels. Number two? Bo Nix? Correct. If you're're a quarterback you're creating that value as far as like value created

Dak Prescott Let's do 2023 because he was you know healthy He created a solid 42 million dollars in value But the fact that his cap hit was $82 million, or his cash paid, made him the largest upside down player in the league that year. Well he had to be the opposite of his rookie year. And that was his near MVP year?

Yeah. So like the top that he could possibly play. Correct. I wonder if we add all the things together. He was actually the biggest draw on a roster. So do you go with cash that year, or do you go cap it? You should do cap it over. But I mean, for that year, what you're

using towards that player, that's why you don't want to get in that situation. But if he was giving you $30 million of value when he was making $900,000. Which is why, as I've told you guys. Add all these years together. So that's what his agent is doing, saying, look, you're back paying him here.

They're doing that even if they're Mica, even if it's a first round player. Because there's still Mica's. There was still more value. $15, $16 million in value making $5. But yeah, it's not a spot you want to be in. The reason I brought up Brandon Aubrey, doing a show and we have a show song contest.

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trickled in last week but we'd like to you know we'll do it on the air we'll play the songs we'll thumb up or thumb down them. You kind of gave some parameters last week, which we should give again because someone did give us like a really good three-minute Brandon Aubrey song. That's not going to win. We already know that one is in last place so far. Yeah, go back to the drawing board on the arrangements. Just short it down. If you were listening to Brandon Aubrey's show, do you want to hear three minutes before Brandon Aubrey or you want to kind of get to Brandon Aubrey probably needs to? Able for speakers to start speaking at 20 seconds if you want to work community mechanical into it He's uh he's on board with them as well, so

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because you can't even get air flowing out. But you're telling them that you heard about them on the dumb zone. I want dumb zone to be your last words. All right, people were texting me last night saying, hey, did you hear Deon Sanders as a live, he's going to have a press conference tomorrow, and it's being carried live on the news locally. What?

Why? Now. Locally Dallas? Yeah. Now I will give my buddy David Ruff podcast hat tip for this one. I think Dan would enjoy it. He simply replied, does anybody know when it is?

And before we could reply, he said, my guess is prime time. I feel like that's both the worst and, so Dion gets up there and he's talking today, he's wearing overalls, he's wearing a cowboy hat, he's wearing sunglasses, he's normal, outgoing looking Deion, and he announces that he had bladder cancer. Let's see if this will play from my YouTube,

Blake, I'm not sure if it will or not. Let's kind of give them, let's walk them through. Can we do that? Is that OK with you all? It's too much. Let's go with them here. Let's go, law. OK, so as you guys know, Coach has his other health issues,

his vascular stuff. So every year, Coach goes for. So that's when they tried to cut his foot off. Yeah, he had a little stump. And then we saw him shortly after that, and I was very worried about him. Super nice guy, but he didn't seem like the Dion we see now. Or a CT scan of his vascular pattern

to make sure the blood clots are away. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's go to Dion. We removed the tumor. It was very high grade, invading through the bladder wall, not into the muscle layer, something we call very high risk, non-muscle bladder wall, not into the muscle layer, something we call very high risk non-muscle invasive bladder

cancer. So we did discuss options. There's not that much him in here. I'm wondering why he needed to have a press conference for this now that I know what it is. He was at Big 12 Media Days in Frisco earlier this month, but he had been away from the team earlier this summer, according to some reports.

So he had a pretty aggressive form of bladder cancer. They have removed his bladder and built him a new bladder from his intestines. Cool. What norm is that? Wow. What if they made it bigger. Can you ask them? You know, like getting a boob job?

Can you like? Yeah, just give me a little more. Give me a little more, dude. I'm getting up at night. For sure. This part, not in the audio I had, but apparently Dion said, I depend on depend. I cannot control my bladder. So you got a college football coach.

So you're sitting there wearing diapers all the time? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That might be better, then you don't have to worry about it. It's just like, it'll just, you drink and then all of a sudden it's out. I mean, especially as a football coach, right?

Yeah. Just one less thing to worry about. Who's gonna hit that market efficiency? Just shitting in their pants. Joe Pa. He probably will, yeah. I'm interested in Colorado. I can't believe he's still there.

Me too, I wanted to go, they're in Houston on a Friday night early in the season. But I think we have maybe something else going on. Like, are they still getting top recruits? Yeah, I think their transfer ranking was good, right, Blake? Yeah, and they got a pretty good quarterback in the portal, Caden Salter from Liberty. Oh, OK. I remember the portal. Caden Salter from Liberty. Oh, okay. I remember that name.

Cedar Hill? I remember the name. Yeah, it's a decent little, yeah, they're ranked 19th currently in the country in transfers. So, I mean, they're going to keep competing. And again, dude, the way that the playoff, whatever setup the playoff has, a team like Colorado has a way better chance

than they did five years ago. Whether you're, whatever conference you're in, they got a shot. They have a shot to play a relatively weak schedule and end up in the playoff. We had an inmate die in Dallas County at a Parkland hospital. This happened a couple weeks ago. You had a 21 year old woman who dies at Parkland after she was found in medical distress. Was she on mug shotties? I love that account. Stop knowing what that is. I love it. Why?

Don't you love it? I kind of do. Yeah. They're all hot. I kind of do. All arrested. And I'll tell you why I like it. Because when I see them, I check the replies, and almost no one acts like a fucking baby about it. Like, because whoever's in that, they could have seriously hurt somebody, right?

It'll be like a drunk driving charge, you got like a nine up there and everybody's like, drunk drive me into a ditch or something. None of the replies are like, can we think about the actual damage this person did? And I love, that shows me society still has a chance. See, drunk shotties are the wave. Just love it.

Just always like, let's hear her out. Let's hear her out, yeah. Nobody, everybody from Hillary voters to the MAGA guys are like, I don't know, dude. It's assault with a deadly weapon. I'm sure she had reason. Yeah, I see two deadly weapons up front there. So this woman dies in Dallas County jail, 21 years old.

She was experiencing medical distress. They discovered that she had overdosed on fentanyl. Now, where did she get this fentanyl? What color was it? From a 20, well, from a 26 year old inmate who was arrested and charged with murder. This inmate had mule in,

in her body cavity, undisclosed cavity. Could be the ear. The Fenty, Meth, and Xanax, and she had shared the substances with three other inmates before they were all found unresponsive. They're all dead? No.

Or just the one dead? Only she is dead. Even the person that took, that muled it, is she unresponsive? No. Oh, okay. We have one dead person. It is a person. No, but I mean, they both, they're all unresponsive.

They don't really report on the accused state. Cause like if, it almost seems like a mistake here. Yeah. To be charging her with murder. Well, they wouldn't charge her with murder if it was a mistake. Although, if you're in jail, they're probably not assuming, I guess just everything is like,

you probably meant to do that. Yeah. But yeah, there's a fun quote here from John Wiley Price. I'm gonna try to play it for you because she got through the exit x-ray scanner without the drugs being detected without the drugs being detected I want to say it's a one-off but we're not gonna check every cavity you know we can't but the officers know what to do. Commissioner.

He's like, listen, they got cavities. We can't check them all. But like, kind of can't you? They do check the bottom, but how deep in there do they check? Well, I have a question that I don't know the answer to. And quick scan, none of us do. Because it seems like the lady ladies front cavity is a lot, there's a lot more in there.

Once you get there. Yeah, you can get it. Way down there, but once you get there. Yeah. But, so when you go into like jail or hab or whatever, they, you know, you hold your balls, but you cough and squat. Cause like, you know, when you cough,

it kind of like pushes your whole thing down there. Okay. That's why you cough it kind of pushes your whole thing down there, okay? That's why you cough huh when women cough does it not push their their front bottom do a little kegel Yeah, kegel like if they coughed would it push? Like I'm trying to say is there a way for them to scan the cavity without finger blasted them you have to go You got to check this out tonight Do some research honey. I got to do research tonight. Well, she, uh, pants off. It sounds to me like it's for the show.

Yeah, this isn't for me. That's why I have this fentanyl. Yeah. Put the clothespin on your nose and get down there. Uh, I don't know. I would think she's the one. You guys wear goggles when you go down there? Like the snorkel? I'd put on the whole snorkel outfit. I have to use my meta glasses to remind me how to do it.

It puts up a little diagram. And I lick by that. Searching for the, it's like the Star Wars tracker. And it locks on to it. OK, there you are. Deed, deed, deed, deed, deed. Yeah. Yeah.

A broad daylight shooting on Maple Avenue in Dallas. We call them women. Yeah. 43 year old Robert Simmons was arrested. I had a 44 year old man shot and killed. And it's, yeah, it's like down the street from the old station. It was a 4400 maple. Oh wow. 2.30 in the afternoon.

Well, it's easier to see then. You want to do your shooting during the daylight you would think. The guy kinda looks, the accused kinda looks homeless. And I'll be honest with you I Have an antenna and 10a up for the name Angelo and stories now Dude, what if he got arrested? I would love an ass Blake to bail him out I honestly I think it's it's not first of all that you've been on a half No, would you mule him cigarettes you would bail him out of jail. I might bail him out

I'm not gonna go visit him. Like Randy Galloway did Quincy? Calls him in for a character witness? Yeah Your client the Angelo I know or your honor No? I mean, it depends. I was trying to think, like, what if he's trying to pull off this grand heist? Or like, he's, I don't know.

He's actually this mastermind. Right. He's been playing you this whole time. What if he is an academic? And he's just doing a research project here? He's just doing a reverse study on me. Yeah. He's like Marshall Henderson.

You think there's a good chance of that? Social experiment. Like did you hear a click on the other end? Was he recording your phone call? It'll be in the documentary? Maybe. If he is, he's doing a wonderful job of acting. What's that movie with Edward Norton?

Oh, Primal Fear? At the end, yeah. Richard Gere. That'll be the end of the movie. I'm throwing one image in the Day of Air folder, Clayton. How does it end? Just came across the newswire. No, Richard Gere gets him off. He was like mentally disabled.

No, no, no, no, no. Richard Gere got off because of the rat and gerbil. But speaking of cavities that you can hide things in. So he was like a mentally disabled guy. There was murder, rape, something. He was charged with something. Murder. There was, was it murder, rape, something. He was charged with something, murder. Yeah, it was murder. And then at the end, like he kind of told him,

he had been acting the whole time. He had a stutter and he's like, you know, and he looked real sympathetic and like this kind of just a mentally disabled guy, but he wasn't mentally disabled at all, Blake. He was just playing one so he could get out mentally disabled guy but he wasn't mentally disabled at all Blake he was just playing one so he could get out of this murder rap which Richard Gere did for him isn't that like balled him up like a little gerbil and stuff like

bench warmers or one of your favorite movie where they pretend to be mentally disabled to make fun of those with such afflictions? No, I'm a big fan of Champions. Woody Harrelson's movie? Woody Harrelson coaches a basketball team. Of what? Kids with Down syndrome. Yeah. Then they get a ringer?

That's the ringer with Joe Knoxville. They did not get someone pretending to have Down syndrome? No, it's just a movie about Woody Harrelson coaching kids with Down. Oh, and you think that's funny? That's all he needs. Am I the only one?

So the guys who were arrested that looked homeless, just one quick ending to that story. The story did note that the guy was arrested at a nearby restaurant. And they gave the arrest, and it was a jack in a box on maple and I feel like, no disrespect, love your food but that's gotta be the most beaten chain to be arrested at.

It's gotta be. Let's see here, there's one more I wanted to do before we got out of here where to go to think i just put it there clinton but you have a big thing i do have a big thing we're gonna do that last we have a new roseanne uh... this woman fifty seven years old but you have to be famous to be a roseanne uh... yes probably but this is

just a good type this uh... i put this up here because here because I needed to see the photo after it was described as barricading herself in a truck and I was like what a lady let's see the photo. Okay 57 year old woman in Hutchins Texas. No. Was taken into custody last night. Let's not hear her out. No. Guilty. Deputies respond to a shooting call. They find a 47-year-old guy there dead at the scene. She barricaded herself in her semi for 4 and 1 1 half hours.

Now tell me, does any of this shock you? She lives in a semi? I guess she was a driver. Damn, man, you don't want to get into a scene with a woman who knows how to even drive a semi. I mean... Large Marge. We all know Large Marge, of course, from? I know the reference.

Nah, go. Peewee Herman. There you go. Peewee's Big Adventure. Yeah. Which is better than any of going to Africa or camp or getting scared. All right, we're going to call this next little bit here. The Africa was good though.

We're going to call this next little bit News Junior. Okay? If you were to go to a website like Who Represents Me or MyRep.com or something, Dan, and you were to type in the address for where we are right now, there would be a man who would show up as your state representative named Giovanni Capriglione. Hey! If I were to go to his website, I would see Giovanni Capriglione. This is my state rep. As your state representative, I am protecting innocent life,

cutting wasteful spending, and defending our shared conservative values. His number one issue, a pro-life leader with a 100% pro-life voting record. He voted defund Planned Parenthood, authorize and pass numerous pro-life bills, including the pro-life abortion trigger ban bill. So pretty standard issue,

evangelical, uppity white suburb politician. Not out of the ordinary, but it is important to remember that he's a guy who really wants you to know about the moral part of his leadership. He's not just a Republican, he's one who's gonna make sure you never forget the moral piece. Well, over the weekend, he had to,

he had to admit that he had been having an affair for 17 years. Whoa. Now, he had to admit this. Is he married and stuff? He is married. And he had to admit this affair. Can you imagine a 17-year affair, though. That's something. After a website called Current Revolt, which was established back in 2020, it describes itself as covering Texas political news. I am now a subscriber for the purposes

of getting this interview. It says here, dedicated delivering fact-based news, covering a wide range of political events, blah, blah, blah. There's no real tell to a ideological bent here, but it does seem like they align with the right. Like they have some pro-ICE stuff here. I believe they're Republicans who are either attacking him by saying he's too right, or they just want this guy out of office.

Because when he admitted the affair over the weekend, he announced that he will not be seeking reelection when he is able to do so in about a year and a half. Efforts that would probably have started here pretty quickly. He will not be seeking reelection. So, why? What is the report? Why? What all is in this report? Well, this woman, her name is Alex Grace,

she did about a half hour interview. She's my age, 39, 40 years old, and she's hot. She looks like a Southlake mom. She looks exactly like a hot Southlake mom. And she shares her past with him. Now, before she did that, I want you to hear how she introduces herself as far as what she does these days. So first and foremost, I'm a mother

to four beautiful children, so that naturally takes up most of my time. But in my spare time these days, I am a political news curator. A political news curator. You like that Clayton? What does that mean? Okay, so you follow the news very closely

and then you curate that for an audience. Correct. Okay. She retweets stuff. Yeah. Oh, she's just got, yeah, it's what these, it's what, if you are a hot woman, now, as we've been telling our friend KJ, they got a lot of hot women, they don't have that many black guys, but if you're a hot and you just get up there and rant about five news items

a day, apparently there's a market and you've got a newsletter and on down the line, right? So that's what she does. I think that part's important to let you know she's in the game. She's in the politics game. She's having an affair with a politician and she's interested in the news type thing. When did you first meet this now state rep?

So I met him when I began my journey in exotic dancing. Journey. That's right folks. That's a journey. That's right. Again this guy's 52 he's been in offense since 2013 so he's 52 now born in 73. She graduated in 04, was 18. So they're about 13 years apart, 12 years apart? Does that sound right? Okay. So yeah, they met on her journey. We'll jump back in. In exotic dancing.

I was 18 at the time. I had a young child. Sorry to interrupt, you were above 18 or you were 18? I was 18. Okay. Yes. Okay, and you had a child child. Sorry to interrupt, you were above 18 or you were 18? I was 18. Okay. Yes. Okay, and you had a child you said? I had a young child and so I did what any other mother would need to do.

Okay, yeah, they clearly made an edit there, but. Yeah. I mean, you know, not any, but I don't fault you, like whatever, but I don't know that you, I don't know y'all but I don't know that you All She was asked how they met that has a an interesting story. When did you first meet this the state now state rep? So I met him when I began my journey in exotic Time this one

Was he like a regular is this sometime he just like stopped in once or twice or? So I met him upon his very first time. He caught my attention because it was a Monday during lunch. That ain't your first time, bro. It was his first time meeting her. Oh, I thought she was saying it was his very first time frequenting that club. No, I think just the first time that she was there. Because if you're going to a strip club Monday at lunch,

you go to it a lot. So as you can imagine, there weren't very many other people there. And what drew my attention to him was the very professional button-down shirt, the slacks, the whole charade. Yeah, so they get to know each other a little bit after he's coming in.

And then she says they developed a one-on-one relationship where she had an email address and a phone number. They would communicate. They would have meetups. They started hooking up at hotels. And they were like in a relationship. And for 17 years. We're going to get to that.

OK, it's great. But so she said it started out like monthly. And then it was like, he got into politics. He was more worried. Maybe every six months, every four months, she said that she would get worried. But they were like together. You know what I mean?

It wasn't just, I'm not trying to say like, this is right what he was doing or anything, but they were in a relationship sort of thing. Yeah. And he was also, you know, the line between this and prostitution is nothing to me because he was paying her every time they met up. Like, oh, gifts and cash and.

Rent? Well. Might've. She says cash, so who knows? Yeah, user-friendly. Yeah, use your phone. But this part, honestly- Which is not very right leaning to just give her cash and let her do what she wants with.

You need to earmark that for- Means tested. Yeah. That's a great point. But this next part is how I became aware of this story. So sometimes they would be set to meet up and then they wouldn't, he would stand her up. But he would still make sure that she got her money

probably because he was worried that she was gonna blabber or something. To be perfectly honest, the gifts were the money. It was the money that he would exchange with me during these meetups. There was one instance where he was not able to meet up with me and it was probably one of the more stressful meetups because I wasn't being given an address. I wasn't being given a specific time.

It was one email after another saying, I'll let you know. I'll let you know. Keep your afternoon open. So finally I received an email saying, here's an address, arrived there at, I'm not sure what time it was, but it was in the afternoon. I arrived and completely, utterly confused because it was a Chuck E. Cheese.

And I- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- I'm like- Charles Entertainment just really owning the news cycle. Utterly confused because it was a Chuck E. Cheese.

And I thought surely this is the incorrect address. So I emailed him back and he told me to go to the back of the building and next to the dumpster there would be a rubber mat, look under it. And under this rubber mat was an envelope with money. So, yeah. Just, you need to get money to her. How about the Chuck E. Cheese dumpster?

Why not? So he's there with his kid? Yeah, or scouting it out. Where can I put this? No one's going to look? OK. All right, so we're getting to the point where they have a breaking up, which was in 2020 it sounds like, where they'd been

meeting up. It went from monthly to every few months to every six months and she describes two things that happened in her story of why she decided I'm done with this guy and I'm actually gonna out him. The first, this feels like the sort of thing she's just throwing in here as like dirt on his grave, but it is hilarious. There were conversations that we had had that, you know, of course the conversations

between how this was not only fulfillment for him and his wife's intimacy as that was lacking according to him But the fantasies went beyond Taking our experience together with him and his wife into a much darker And more sinister area. It went on to... I could promise you right now. Go on.

I could give everyone in here, the horniest guys I know, a thousand guesses. You wouldn't come close. For example, he told me about a bake sale that his daughters were participating in for the neighborhood. And this was one of the very few times that he was comfortable being on the phone with me. And he explained to me how immensely attractive the idea would be to ejaculate into the cookie

batter to know that all the children in the neighborhood, specifically girls, would be that all the children in the neighborhood, specifically girls, would be consuming his semen. Now, while this was a lot for me to take in. You don't say. He thought he was rolling too, you know, he's just talking to his side piece. He's like, yeah, they're making cookies. I wish I could just cut like, what are you saying? side piece, he's like, yeah, they're making cookies. I wish I could just cut, like, what are you saying? It's so insane that I don't feel like it could be made up, but it's also so insane that I can't imagine

anybody actually saying that out loud, even if they did think it was funny. Like, I wouldn't say that to you, Dan. And I have said some super gnarly stuff to you. I don't have a friend who would make that joke to me. You know the dirtbags I hang out with? If one of them was like, wouldn't it be funny if we came in the batter and the kids ate it?

Dude, I'm calling the fucking police. That's insane. And this is the guy who has a website, it's just the number one thing. Anyway, so. It seems so outlandish that she couldn't have made that up. Right. Right. Now, she does have a little more

why now. And it's flimsy. But we'll give her a chance to explain it. I have. I have. Okay, so she was asked, like, have you, you know, could you just reach out to him and tell him, like, hey. She has a real problem that he's anti-abortion. She was asked, could you just reach out to him and tell him, like, hey.

She has a real problem that he's anti-abortion. We'll get to that. For my wanting to expose this now is because he is no longer in control of influencing only the lives of his friends and family, but he now has the power to influence the lives of so many people and potentially in a massively negative way. I feel it would be unethical for me to speak up.

There was a time that we had had a phone call and I had expressed a lot of my concerns to him, not only him as a person, but moves that he was making in his career. I was very direct with him and I said you know I feel this is very two-faced you know who are you you need to be honest you need to stick to who you are even if it's not going to advance your career. This cost him for the first time in 17 years to become angry with me, understandably. So he gets pissed. Wow, that sounds like a great relationship if that's the first time in 17 years he was angry. Smooth, right? Yeah.

Well, the real banger here, let's see if this shows up in this part of the audio. This is the same man who took these annual trips to the red light district. This is fun here too because we're all gonna play a, do we know where the red light district is? I thought she meant Amsterdam. This is the same man who took these annual trips to the red light district per his wife's direction. Sorry, so you see red light district per his wife's direction.

Sorry, so you see red light district trips to where? The red light district. So, sorry. Abroad. Okay, so like Amsterdam. Yes. Got it, and you say he would take these trips? Every year. Okay, so it's-

Did she say it the direction of his life? It sounds like this is a little political. It's you're not happy with the way he's... Yeah, and she also says the wife knew about this all along. The affair? Yeah, that she just wanted to keep it quiet. It sounds like he's got a really cool wife. She's like, hey, look, go to the Red Red District once a year.

I know you need to get that out. You got your side piece. That's all out. Yeah. You got your side piece. So. That's all cool. Yeah. I'd like to show up at this lady's doorstep with a box of candy and some flowers. OK, so this is the part that's really getting him, though. So the affair, now she calls him and says, hey,

I have a real problem with this. Because's not that, because I think she was in a serious relationship as well. And her real problem is like, hey, I see that you're making your entire political career about abortions and about controlling women's bodies. You know, it's weird, because you do pay for sex. But also,

potentially ending the relationship, is that what you're saying? Correct, there were certain moves he was making politically that really caused me to question him as a man. What moves are those? He is someone that portrays himself to be so anti-abortion, yet he has funded several abortions for his own personal

gain. And how do you know that? I think on this one you're just going to have to go with my word. So that's when she decided to come out. I think on this one you're just gonna have to go with my word. So that's when she decided to come out. Flew too close to the sun, Gio. My boy. That's weird.

He's been a congressman or whatever for a long time, right? Yeah. No, he had like a political future. I mean, he's thought of as, I don't know, about rising star. But he's a very charismatic dude. But did he just start of as, I don't know about rising star but he's a very charismatic. Did he just start voting for abortion stuff now? No but I think it probably ramped up. He's been with him for 17 years. Yeah but he wasn't a politician when they met. He's only been in office, he took office at night in 2013 so they had been together for a good 10 years before he got into the political game But yeah, he uh, I mean this is the problem man. Just be a dirtbag. Nobody expects anything from you Why are you run this just I just I don't get it. I don't get the guy who feels like he's got to be

Just live it maybe it's more of the there's more juice in that life, because you're hiding the, you know, you're playing this game. OK, I get the juice. Like, dude, that's a thing. He writes he loves the the double life of the wife and the thing. And he's got double lives all over the place. And that's a part of like addiction. I get it. The caper. What what's the juice in voting against abortions and then having them? There's no like, ha ha, I got away with one, like I'm MacGyver.

Yeah, but he, you know, being a Republican in Texas, he can't be not against abortions. Yeah, there's pressure of your image. Okay, but doesn't it seem- Now, he might not have to lead the committee or whatever he's doing. Your mic's off. Yeah but my point is, couldn't you just not be a politician rather than... Okay yeah half of his platform is abortion. Yeah. So if you're going to have abortions I would think you'd find another line of work besides one that requires you to vote for those to be illegal. Well, I mean, there's guys that are voting against gay rights,

and they're hooking up with dudes in the airport. Yeah, and when that happens, typically they get found out and have to stop doing it. One or the other, voting or fucking. All right. Well, this guy's stopping the effort. There's your news. The dumb zone news.

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Oh. I did them. I was hoping you guys would not do the show well. I don't want to hear like, hey, the show was great when you were gone you get your wish I'd want the show to be bad. Oh I'm sorry Blake. I thought we had a nice time. I did the best I could I'm no Dan. I thought it sounded good See that's not what I want. That's not what I want to hear. I want to hear these guys can't do anything without you Well, I mean it wasn't the same without Dan being

That's what I want to hear Just gave you a beer dude. Help me out. I got you. Dear Sultan of Twat The great Clambino And today's horror games winner. I'd like to do a viewer pre-can check and wish my oh wait. What day is this? Today's Monday. Oh Jesus. This is like for a Friday birthday. All right. Well, I'll read that again for him son Why would you send me that? Why would you send me something for an eight three birthday now? Guess you can't forget how to ride a bike Blake Maybe Blake did it did it better than me

Did you read him like ahead of time? I didn't. Sort of sorcery where you engage again. I just got an email this morning. Hey don't yell at him. I know what this guy wants is. Dear Coxswayne of the Klin. July 28th. What day is today? July 28th. Excellent. It is my brother Jimmy's Dirk birthday. His leaders are Dan and Jim Knox. His unleader is Bo Jackson for being too busy at batting practice July 28, 1994 to sign a ball for Jimmy on his 10th birthday at a ballpark in Arlington and proceeding to get a golden sombrero

while his angels were perfect gamed by a ranger with the reddest of asses. Ha ha. Neverbunt from Cactus Mac. Cactus Mac, that's a really good, solid email. Who would have been, is that Nolan? No. Kenny Rogers.

And dear Daniel Lay Screwis. Ha ha ha ha ha! It's outside of the meme format, but I'll take it. Today is the 11th birthday of my travel ball swag lord son Vincent. Damn. I know exactly what he looks like. I know. Who is very confused when Jake said he was topping out at 46 on the gun. He could throw that fast when he was eight. If you've ever had confidence with your throw just hang out with an

11 year old who plays travel ball. I know. Also Tuesday is my Mark Clark birthday. My leaders are Vanessa the Spider, Post Taco Jake, and Minajah Sarah. My supreme leader is Establish the Run Guy. I posit that the beehive is too soft. We must create a separatist movement known as the Proud Bees. Ha ha! The people have had just about enough of

those slinging around offenses. More Julie Shale and Dean Gu from Joel C. in Colorado. That is a good dude right there. Hey did we name the spider and I missed it? Well the spider's gone so. He said Vanessa the spider. I don't know if we did. Hit some other good ones in there too. So a little on this day, Monday July 28th we have President Roosevelt in 1943 announced the end of coffee rationing. Apparently that was for the war. What year? 1943. That limited people to one pound of coffee every five weeks. If you were above a certain age,

because my grandpa told me about this. Really? When he turned a certain age, his parents were happy that they could get extra coffee. Like renting a car? Kind of. I forget. I don't have to ask him the age again.

I have such weak coffee, I cannot relate to this at all. I'll put two scoops into my entire pot every morning. But I think it's supposed to be like five or eight scoops. But going through a pound in five weeks seems like a lot. His parents were excited when he turned 16 so that they could get more coffee rations. You went right to the notes. I love it.

You see that, Dan? On this day in 1945, a US Army bomber crashed into the 79th floor of New York's Empire State Building killing 14 people. I don't I did not know that. Yeah how about that? It's news to me. This is the day in 1994. A lot of people don't know the pilot from Saudi Arabia. They escorted him out. Kenny Rogers pitched a perfect game. 15th perfect game in major league history on this night in 1994. Rusty Greer with a diving catch saved that game. There you go. On this day in 1999, Lions running back Barry Sanders retires from football at the age of 31, only 1458 yards away from breaking Walter Payton's all-time rushing record. Ah, remember this Jake, on this day in 2015.

An American shot a protected lion known as Cecil during the bow hunt. A Minnesota dentist issued a statement saying he thought everything about his trip was legal. The officials in Zimbabwe said he had not broken the country's hunting laws. Dude, if somebody wanted to write just a history of stories like this, that one was a canary in the coal mine right there. And I don't even know if the guy was a S-head or not,

but ruining that guy's life and shutting down his business over the lion thing, that was a sign of things to come. You know? Like we had no business even knowing that guy's name. And then like the next day, people in San Francisco were like able to get his Minneapolis dentist office closed down. Crazy.

They'd get Norm's producer fired. All sorts of stuff. Couple weddings on this date. Just to prove that guys always like younger women no matter when in history. In 2007 Steve Martin was 61 he married How old? 28. He's 61, she's 35. He's of the creepy generation though. He always gave me the creeps too. Steve Martin? Yeah. How about this day in 1540 wedding? King Henry VIII.

He's 49, he's gonna marry his fifth wife. How old do you think she is? 16. I was gonna say 13? 16. I was going to say 13. 16. Wow. Yeah. I've got On This Day.

Oh, On This Day in dumb zone history. Back in 2020, Jake walked in on his wife's Zoom meeting in his underwear. Oh, man, yeah. I think that was pretty tough for you. Cranking hog. That was pretty game day though. Now I'd Oh man, yeah. I think that was pretty tough for you. Cranking hog. That was pretty game day though. Now I'd be like, oh. Yeah, bloated Jake.

All bricked up. We were kicking around, what if the Texas Rangers kneeled before the anthem? Just down the line? Yeah. Be very funny. And then in 2021, you guys were at camp, and Jake did the Spencer McKenzie's Burrito Challenge,

trying to take down three of them before you vomited. Didn't do it? I got a one and three quarter, but yeah, man. Had to give it a go. I can't wait. Spencer McKenzie's. I know. And then this was probably coming up.

Yeah. No, don't do it. Okay. There you go. All right. Other birthdays today. Frank-n-t-la. Smokes. Frankie Smokes. Intakina is 27.

The smoke screen. Here's something interesting. Spencer Howard is 29 today. The base, the Philly? Ranger pitcher? Wow. Yeah. Why did I say it's interesting, Blake?

Because he was in the Kyle Gibson trade? That was the big, we got to get Spencer Howard dude. Wow. That's going to be the next one. I forgot about him. We have to get that negative two and a half war he's going to throw up for us. Which he did.

Greg Hardy, 37. Pfft. Malik Neighbors, 22. He gets beat up pretty often, Greg Hardy. Malik Neighbors might kill Russell Wilson this year. See, they named him the starter. Yeah, they did. No, they're not letting Jameis compete.

There's some funny afraid Jameis quotes. They should be. Manu Janobli is 48. Soccer man Harry Kane is 31. I will say a shout out to the giant social media team for MalikNeighbors video. I saw they're having guys, they're handing guys a tape measure and saying with their eyes closed, show me a yard. Because I find that most people who don't play football or have never been on a football field or aren't routinely on a football field very much lose track of how long a yard is.

He measured out six inches. D'Amico Ryan's 41. Yep, gave it a shot. What do you mean? I don't know. He's still the coach. You don't think they're good? No, I don't.

No. I don't. Marty Brenneman is 83. You don't think they're good? No, I don't. No. I don't. Marty Brenneman is 83. I would be surprised if he's gone after this year. Father of Thumb was the Reds' longtime radio announcer. Jim Davis is 80. He is the creator of Garfield. Don't get it, but.

Oh, Henry's nodding like, oh, yeah. Hell, yeah, bro. Garfield. Garfield guy? Give me Garfield Are we doing a Henry birthday come on over Dana White is 56 Actress Lori Loughlin is 61 Dana White the wife puncher Oh, you know what? I have a couple of rap rappers. So I guess I won't even do it

I have I completely forgot about the bid. AfroMan, 51. No, I would not have done AfroMan. Why? Because. I love AfroMan. That's the thing. Oh, okay.

Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Soulja Boy, 35. Soulja Boy might have made it. Was that gonna be yours, Henry? That was gonna be one of the two.

Okay. Do you want me to let you go? Yeah. Let Henry cook. Okay, so another rapper glowrilla is 26 I do hear a lot of talk about glowrilla. Just another shakin ass rapper. Yeah, there's like a bunch of facsimiles of Meg the stallion She is with branded Ingram Looks like here who probably makes 35 bills here Elizabeth

Berkeley is 53 who's that saved by the Bell yeah oh show girls lady still I think I've seen has different color eyes like the picture sure sir and then our I'm giving our dumb zone birthday of the day to you. As my gift to you, knowing that we're just good friends, because you have to know this hurts me to make this the runner up. I have a runner up. This one's for me. OK. And I was wondering, why isn't she there this morning? And then I looked at this. Kate Baldwin is 42.

The host of CNN's five things that you can watch on HBO Max. Leave her alone. I love her. Love her. We know. Those are the things you need to get your day going. Now get going. Now Kate Baldwin. You know what Kate? I'm going to get going. Thanks. Kate Baldwin, where is she on the daughter hotline? Because I think Kate Baldwin. I think that's, I would like my daughter, she could be Kate Baldwin I think that's I would like my daughter she could be Kate Baldwin hot perfect I agree right I still take her seriously right it helps to be kind of flat but I don't the other yeah the other thing I want to say about her I can't say within the same sentence I was just talking to

my daughter yeah yeah or else I'll be David Hasselhoff or Trump. Or any of the birthdays we've named today. Right. But I'm giving this one to you. Oh. You ready? 37 years old today, Sarah Snook. Sarah Snook? No.

OK. Shiv. Yeah, I don't even know her real name. She's the line. She is the namesake. She's the Mendoza. I would- Like you feel comfortable if your daughter

is Sarah Snuckhot? And here's why. Because I think she makes me hornier than the average person. I think most people are like, she's kind of attractive. She makes me want to break the law. Right. But I like that. Yeah, there you yeah there you go thanks bud for birthday of the day you're welcome born on this day now dead Earl Tupper of the where you invented Tupperware

where thanks man thanks for all the microplastics in 1264 no he died 1983 Just kidding. No. He died in 1983. No, but Picasso did put leftovers in Tupperware. Yes. Picasso had a whole set of Tupperware. None of the matches. It's a mismatch. I don't know. Also born on the day now dead, Angela Hitler. Which is probably Angela.

Yeah, probably. Sister. If you're wondering, which Hitler, it's not Tabitha. It's not Curtis Tabitha died on this day. Still dead. We have what year? Give me a year he lived. Vivaldi, the composer. Oh, damn. Well, Tonio Vivaldi.

I'll just tell you, he died on this day in 1741. That was about that was later. Yeah, it was later than I thought. And then we have died on this day in 1741. That was about. That was later than I thought. Yeah, that was later than I thought. And then we have two on this day in 2021. One, Blake has held back from giving me. I'll let him give that in a moment. One though is Ron Popale.

Is that how you say his name? He's the inventor of the Ronco TV ads. Ron Popale. Like it's, but wait, Popali? Did you say his name? He's the inventor of the Ronco TV ads. Ron... Papale. Like it's, but wait, Papale? No. Man, I think this is one where it just missed our generation entirely.

Oh, okay. I've seen this logo before, but. He started the whole. Ah, so this is who Dan Aykroyd's supposed to be. Perhaps. He was the starting it, and then it got to the next, you know, you know the other guy. OK, this has got to be the next guy.

The ShamWow guy. Vince Shalomi? Yeah, that came after this guy started. This guy was like Judge Wapner. Billy Mays, that sort of thing. He led the way for Judge Judy, you know. But you remember like the Bas-O-Matic? Yeah.

O-Matic was a Ronco creation. Okay. Oh. And then Blake. I watched a documentary about that. Same day in 2021, Blake. Hey, real quick before we go, rest in peace to ZZ Top bassist Dusty Hill,

found dead at the age of 70. Now we got a few minutes before we go to break guys. Go ahead and tell me how much Z- whatever. Can I give you my reflections on this moment? What does ZZ Top mean to you? And then you know he's back there in his head thinking like, well the musers in Hardline would want to know. No, it was-

Cat likes rock and roll music. No, I just saw a bunch of people tweeting about him and thought, well, this is the news. We're at camp. Here's Dusty Hill dying. Dusty Hill. I would have assumed like bullpen coach. Can we continue to do the show? This is where we have to fight through all the,

and let our training just take over. And that was Today in History. We got three burritos sitting in front of you. Cheers. Now should we roll and start some closing remarks and let Kyle Gibson just interrupt that and then finish closing, like you wanna do that? Yeah, let's keep rolling.

Okay, because Kyle Gibson, former Texas Rangers great is going to join us in a minute closing remarks will be brought to us by game day man's health I went in there last week at eight o'clock eight oh one which is when they opened and I said guess who's here to be the first buns of the day. And they said, you're third. Because the type of people who are going to Game Day Men's Health, they're hustling, buddy. Yeah. And getting 10% off, Dan.

TRT. When you tell them you're a dumb zone listener. Yeah. So go to the game. What do they got? Nine area locations? Anything around DFW. If you're in Kansas City, sorry.

So I want to make sure we do get Zach proper time here. So if we come back after KG and we just have a long ass show, whatever, because he said he wrote a book. Is that why you booked this sit-in, Zach? Yeah. To promote your book? Yeah, and part of that. And to get a free beer?

Yeah, exactly. I was looking for the Lone Star. That was my main goal here. But no, I mean, long time listener, going back, I was telling Jake earlier, you know, IJB and y'all on the ticket and everything before. So, you know, it's kind of something I've been thinking about doing since this was something y'all offered to do and kind of lined up well with my buddy and I from law school. We wrote a book called Sports Chaos. We launched it around the NBA Finals with not that much marketing

advertising, but it falls a lot in line with a lot of stuff we talk about here. It's kind of based around the decision dynamics process, which is something that coaches, GMs, ownership, whatever it needs to be, should be making decisions based off of the various wars of reason as we see them which is business versus law, law versus sports, sports versus morality. If you're making a decision on should I cut this player, should I trade this player, well not only does that have a monetary impact on how does this affect the cap, it has a sports impact on how does this affect the team, it has a cultural impact on how does this affect the team, it has a cultural impact on how does this affect the city and you need to take all of those things into consideration when making an informed decision. Well I'm only thinking about

one trade here. Yeah well sure. Just because how does it affect a city, generally there are a few guys that... Exactly and generally there are a few guys but you know the one that comes to mind certainly is Luca but also kind of a similar vein of that would be Ja in Memphis. He means a lot more to the city of Memphis, and he is technically their best player, but then he would in a different market. There is that cultural value or tie to the city

that you would need to, as a smart general manager, take into consideration if you were going to trade him, particularly after seeing, you know, the fallout of what happened here in Dallas. Like you know what Isaac Rochelle means to the city of San Diego. That's why he had to sign his one day there, right? Exactly, exactly. And what's crazy is we were writing this book and maybe, I don't know, 95% done when the Luka trade happened. And that was just something that fell right in line. It feels like you would have started the book when that happened.

Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, no, I just kind of, so the initial draft of the book doesn't even have a Luka chapter because that had not happened yet. And then the final version of the book has a Luca chapter because that happened right as we were getting ready to put all this out. And our contention is, which I believe Jake agrees with, is that they didn't want to pay the man and they didn't want to pay the man because he was not theirs. They could not lay claim to him. The fact that Luca pre-existed the ownership group and Nico Harrison's attachment to the franchise,

anything that happened that was good for the Mavericks was good because of Luca. But they couldn't claim that. They didn't draft him. They didn't sign him. He pre-existed their relationship. And they didn't like that. But you know, they can't claim Kyrie.

They can't claim AD. They can't claim, I mean, now they can claim Cooper, which is just insane. I don't even start out that whole nonsense. But that's what our contention is. I think it's, you know, it seems like the sort of thing you want to get into college courses. Yes, and that's.

In the curriculum book. Exactly, that's the long run of it. Because I've gone, I've told these guys before, Jamie Newberg teaches a class at SMU that's very similar to this sort of stuff. Like, you know, things like tanking or like load management, like the more like literal moral parts of that, the economics of it. So yeah, it seems exactly like the sort of thing that would be perfect and like as the centerpiece of a classroom.

Like how do you even decide to do this? Wait, what's the book called? It's called Sports Chaos. Okay, wait. We'll get back to it in a few minutes. Okay, sure. Because as we told you, we had a Kyle Gibson book and we have a Kyle Gibson on the line right now.

Do we need to break first or are we good, Blake? Let's see. Let's just fire him up. He's a veteran podcaster, so he's probably got his levels, right? A microphone and he's one of us now. He's a civilian. Kyle, do you read me? Yeah, I got you guys. Good. The great Kyle Gibson. Wow. What's up guys? Look at it. We know you've done lots of

podcasts. We've been talking about guys signing one day contracts. So is this your one day contract with our podcast? Sure, you know what? I didn't formally get any e-sign documents or a docu-sign to go over, but I mean, I guess if you guys are able to do just a gentleman's agreement here, yeah, maybe it is. What do you consider, like, if your wife said,

you have to go sign a one day contract with some baseball team, who do you do it with? Oh man, what a tough one. Probably the twins. There's a lot of life happened with the twins that just can't replicate, you know, three of our four kids born there, you know, lived there for six summers, you know, six and a half summers, just beautiful up there. But that would probably be the one that I did one day, but I don't know, I think there were times where I wore out my welcome there

with having a bad start here or there, so maybe they wouldn't want to do that, I don't know. How often does that come up? I mean, people coming up to you and even jokingly making a comment about a fantasy team or actually coming up to you and having negative feedback to you in person about your performance.

Does it ever happen? Not in person. That's kind of what I feel. Very rarely in person. Every now and then like family will, and they just mean it innocently, right? They would ask about what happened or how did this guy hit this pitch or whatever. But people, you get so much negative feedback on social media that just they're able to just type it and hit go and then

they feel a lot better about it, you know, but I don't normally respond to the ones that make sure to tell me that they miss their parlay or something like that. I'm not I'm not worried that your 10 leg parlay missed because I didn't strike out enough guys. You should have known better. I don't ever strike out a ton of guys. So that was, that's not true. Well, their kids aren't going to college now though.

So we get it at a 1% the level you do, but I actually had a guy come up to me outside of TCU game one time. And he's like, I just wanted to tell you, you're awful on the air. And I respected it so much. I'm like that that's very refreshing People it's like a it's like some people never have a tough day at work, you know, I don't know I feel like everybody does but sure

Yeah, but you make a million dollars. Yeah That's that never should have tough day work should always be at the top of my game. That's right That's where the stab should have tough day work. Should always be at the top of my game. That's right. That's what established the run guy would say. Anyway, yeah, I was kind of looking over your stuff because we got to know you when you were here and arguably your best season that you had was here in Texas. Or is your only All-Star year for sure. If you look at war and that kind of stuff, I think you matched it in Minnesota. But I was looking at your history being in Minnesota and you got called up. You had real good success like your first start

and then you got sent down during the year and then you you know you come back and then you're you're pretty good for a while and then you get sent down again. Like what is that like? That must be really, when you talk about like a lot of living or a lot of life, like that helps shape you, I suppose, right? Yeah, that's the journey, man. That's the thing that, you know, people when I got to 10 years,

or now that I've had 11 and change, whatever it is, you know, people ask about, you know, how great it's been to play a long time. Well, I'm gonna tell you what, there were times I was hoping to get, you know, people ask about, you know, how great it's been to play a long time. Well, I'm going to tell you what, there were times I was hoping to get, you know, tender to contract the next year going through arbitration. There was times that I was hoping to not get DFA in 2016 and 2017, you know. It just wasn't always roses for me all the time. It was it was ups and downs.

It was, you know, trying to figure out how to do things a little different, do it a little bit better. And yeah, I think the 2017 season was a really hard year to start because I went through kind of a shoulder strain all year of 2016, pitched through it when probably should have just taken time off and didn't. That's not in my DNA. I just wanted to pitch.

Pitched through it and then had the worst start of nine starts of my career right in a row to start 2017 and four years in get sent down. And let me tell you, there were times that stretch the first month and a half I was basically going in asking to be sent down because we were really good. And it just felt like every five days I was the reason we were losing. And that's a bad place to be you want to talk about people telling you on social media how bad you are. They

didn't have to tell me how bad I was then. I felt awful about myself. And it was just a but I got sent down and what a refreshing time where the twins you're I was a first year for Derek Falvey and Dad Levine in Minnesota. And they sent down one thing for me. They said, hey, over the last two and a half seasons when you struggled or the last year and a half when you struggled, when your fastballs in the strike zone over 50% of time, you haven't been beaten with an ERA around three. When your fastball is not in the zone 50% of time, you get hit. And I was like,

wow, maybe this is a lot simpler than I'm making it right now. And the rest of the year when I got caught up, I threw the ball pretty well and had a pretty good two year stretch there. But you know, there's a lot of life that happens when you go through ups and downs. And like you said, it definitely forms who you are and allowed me, I think, to have a different perspective when I started being the veteran, being able to talk to young guys going through struggles. Dude, I'm glad you brought that up.

One of the things I wanted to ask you, because I'm reading a book called The MVP Machine. I don't know if you're familiar with it. I'm not familiar with it. But it is about... Ben Lindberg know if you're familiar with it. I'm not familiar with it. But it is about... Ben Lindbergh, you're probably familiar with Ben. Ben Lindbergh or Travis Sawchuck. I'm gonna be honest, I am not much of a reader.

Okay. You know what? Maybe I come across as a reader, but let me tell you. You do track as a reader. You fooled me well. Yeah, no. But it's really about using analytics. And it's not really about developing players as much as it is about getting the most out of players now.

And even a guy, like you said, here you are. You've been highly successful. You made the big leagues. But you're kind of struggling. What do I do here? But you were given that little analytic note by Thad Levine, and that really helped you. So my question was, you know, what is your experience in using analytics? I guess you have that, but do you have other, you know, how has analytics, have you used it to help shape your career at all, if you have?

Yeah, I absolutely have. You know, at the end of September in 2022 when Caleb Cotham in Philadelphia said, hey, do you want to make your slider go a little bit more to the left and see what that looks like today in a bullpen? I was like, sure, that sounds like a lot of fun. And I never threw my gyro slider again until this year. I went straight to a sweeper from that bullpen to my next start. And it was all based on what do I think a pitch that moves to the left more does for my sinker that moves to the right more. So that was a big part of it. Then when I started throwing that cutter in Texas in 2021, you know, talking with Lance Land talking with Jacob Derisi guys that threw a cutter through a two seam going both ways.

It was a lot of that question a lot of that conversation of what does this cutter do for me to lefties? And when I started throwing the cutter, it started helping me with splits to lefties. All of a sudden, like I had a pitch that stayed in on the lefty and allowed me to get weak contact and get more outs against lefties. And then this year, you know, I started in off season of trying to think about, okay, what does it look like to throw my gyro slider to lefties again, lefties started adjusting to the sweeper. And what does it look like to use this tight slider that I use my whole life to lefties again?

And I started doing that again, just based off looking at, okay, I use this gyro slider 15% of the time to lefties before I threw my sweeper. I'm throwing my sweeper two to 3% against lefties. I'm eliminating a pitch when I should be throwing six pitches to everybody. So yeah, analytics, if you know how to use them and you can find people who can put them in verbiage for players to take them to the field and take them to the mound, in my case, it's important, but you're gonna lose me when it's just, throw your slider 50% of the time

and you're gonna be really good. Because that's just not how it works. Yeah, I think it's interesting because both things you just described are analytics. The thing that they sent you when they sent you down, right? People think analytics and think it's gotta be very, very complicated. It was a simple answer for you,

at least according to them, of pounding the zone there. I wonder though, when you talk about that 2017 change, were there other things, other pitches in your repertoire that had to change like what you're talking about with the cutter? Because I don't think people think about that. If I'm gonna add this, that's gonna enhance something that goes the other way.

And just as a, really a full repertoire. So when they told you to emphasize just fastball in the zone, did that change anything else like related to that or is that just straightforward? I didn't shift anything other than trying to make sure, oh, I was throwing fastballs in the strike zone. And then really just paying attention to, am I getting myself in bad counts where I either one, have

to throw a fastball in the strike zone, and that's not ever where you want to be as a pitcher, or two, am I getting predictable where now he's definitely not going to throw a fastball in the strike zone, so now he's going to throw off speed and it makes your off speed worse. So no, I didn't shift a single thing except for I'm going to make sure that if I throw two fastballs in the first three pitches both of those fastballs are in the strike zone because I've got a lot of movement and my four seam and two seam play totally different and I'm gonna make sure that I'm forcing contact and making hitter

swing because what started happening was hitters would take and because I wasn't in the zone enough so then all of a sudden I'm behind 2-0 behind 2-1 and I'm in bad counts well if I can get the hitter So then all of a sudden I'm behind 2-0, behind 2-1, and I'm in bad counts. Well, if I can get the hitter thinking I have to swing, now I'm actually gonna get chase on those off-street pitches outside the strike zone that I wasn't getting. That's fascinating. Boy, the Rangers game last night,

opposing pitcher walked the first two batters and it felt like the game was over, and effectively it was. So you go back to that time when, I can't remember where you were, what staff member says, hey what if we move your slider a little bit to the left here. How easy is it for you,

and I'm sorry if this is all boring to you, but it's a- Not boring at all. When you talk about reading the book, this is where I geek out right here. Okay, so they say we're gonna go throw this in a bullpen. How easy is it for you to, like when you leave that bullpen session,

can you locate it? Like can you locate that pitch where that guy for you to, like when you leave that bullpen session, can you locate it? Like can you locate that pitch where that guy wants you to, or does it take forever and is it, because the other thing Dan and I always talk about is it's frustrating that people live tweet training camp for football because they're working on stuff. So I wonder like if they say, we want you to move that slider,

how long does it take before you can take that game ready? Well for me, and that slider was five days later, so I don't know that's, that was pretty incredible. But honestly, I think for me, because it was still a slider, I was just figuring out where do I start it, right? I took the same movement down, and I just added 10 inches of left movement to it. So I just needed to figure out if I want this pitch to be a strike, it needs to start on

the inside corner to a righty. If I want this pitch to be a ball, I just want to throw this down the middle and it's going to end up a ball. And I just had to trust that. That was the biggest shift for me. And quite honestly, I was, I'll never forget it. I was warming up. It was against the Braves. I don't know the date, but it was like my second to last start in September, 2022. I told Garrett Stubbs, I was like, Hey, Stubb, I'm going to throw only sweepers here warming up for the game, which was six. I don't

throw that many in my warmups. And then I'm going to throw them on the mound when I'm warming up for the first inning. Cause we were at home. If on the mound when I'm warming up for the first inning because we were at home. If I throw two good ones warming up, we're throwing it the rest of the day. We're not going back. First batter of the game was Danesby Swanson and I got a strikeout on sweepers.

So I mean, I couldn't have written it up any better. Then it felt good. And I just said, you know what? We're gonna use it and see where it goes. So with all the new analytics, I feel like we have more stat categories than we ever have before. And just talking with pitchers,

it used to just be, what's your ERA? And then we added WIP, and then now it's Ks per nine. Now that's all the stat cast stuff. So, you know, we're obsessed with Jack Leiter right now. He's kind of our young ace, hopefully, to be. But when you look at his ERA and some of his W whip and his other stuff, he's not having an awesome year, but to me I think he's been awesome. And so when you reflect as a pitcher, are there any sort of stats or categories that

you pay more attention to? I was always an ERA guy because my goal was to not give up runs. I understand that you know maybe in like departments look at FIP and certain things. I think a lot of these encapsulate the same thing. You know, whip, okay, do you walk guys? Do you give up hits? Okay, that's just that's, you know, that's kind of straightforward. I think it just combines those two things together to maybe show how many base runners you are actually giving up. But I had somebody tell me something in 2019 when I was coming off a pretty good two-year stretch and then I had my stomach stuff pop up that really kind of threw a wrench into the rest of that year. But the analytic guy said,

hey, Gibby, quite honestly, I wouldn't even worry about your ERA going into free agency because teams are going to look at your FIP and your FIP is right in line with these where your career numbers are. I was like, man, that makes me feel a whole lot better about having a high for ERA pitching through not feeling really good. When I know that my FIP is still going well, but I've never liked having bad numbers and going, well, but my FIPs okay, so we'll be okay.

Yeah, it could get even worse too, because they have the expected statistics now, which is just based on contact and whatnot. And I mean, I guess it's actually kind of working out, but I've just been, instead of going to the real standings, just going to the expected standings every day for the Rangers. And it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't know. The expected stats, you know, this is where

the expected stats would go back to who's playing the game. Are these humans that mess up or is this just MLB the show when you're playing the CPU the whole time? You know, you're never going to get me to believe that a hitter is always looking for a fastball, so you can always throw sliders. you're never going to get me to believe that a hitter is always looking for a fastball. So you can always throw sliders. You're never going to get me to believe that, you know, you name the stat that it's just always going to play out.

It just, it just doesn't. Yeah, great. I think there's things that I can, you know, lean on, right? Like I always wanted my exit Velo against to be low. I always wanted to be giving up ground balls over fly balls. And I wanted to not walk guys. Okay, if I can have those three things in line with what I normally do, I'm probably going to believe that at the end of the day, I'm going to end up okay, right? And those are probably the three things that I looked at the most, you

know, when I was struggling, you know, okay, yes, am I locating pitches? Of course. But some of the expected stats like oh well if you weren't playing in this ballpark and it wasn't this windy and it wasn't this well but it was. I am. So what do you want to do? This is where I'm at. I'm sorry I'm in Kauffman Stadium. I'm in Bush Stadium. Like it's a bigger park. That's just how it is. So you're talking stats and everything. You signed a minor league deal early this year with Tampa Bay and if I'm just looking at the stats it looks like everything was going great. Your ERA is fantastic. You know, all the numbers look great.

Why did you then decide to retire while playing so well this year? You know, going to Tampa was a tough decision because, you know, with four kids coming back home and leaving and coming back home and leaving is just tough on them and tough on Elizabeth. And, um, but I knew that I felt physically really well, and I wanted to know that the results could still match up with how I felt and Tampa had been a place that I'd looked at the last few years about really thinking that they were a good place for a pitcher to go because of how they develop guys. And I just

talked with Elizabeth and said, Hey, I really would like to take three weeks, see where I'm at the end of the three weeks and see what opportunities come up if I'm throwing the ball really well. And if I'm not, then I'm okay with retiring now. But I'd like to give it another chance. And I threw the ball really well felt awesome physically was right where give it another chance. And I threw the ball really well, felt awesome, physically was right where I wanted to be. And quite honestly, I just didn't have the opportunity

that I thought would be there after throwing the ball well. Tampa didn't have the opportunity, they were super up front with me. This is not a slight on them because they were as open on communication as I could ever have hoped for. But the phone calls just weren't coming. And when we called people, they just didn't have a spot, you know. So part of it was I was ready to be home ready to be with the kids. And the other part was, I felt like I had done all that I could do. I didn't really think I

needed to go back and pitch any more minor league games to prove that I was healthy and prove that I could throw the ball well. And at the end of the day, there wasn't teams that wanted those services at the time. So I was like, you know what? I think it's time for me to go home and be a dad and be a husband, and this has been a lot of fun. But everything kind of runs its course, and that's where I was at.

I wonder if you were a lefty, if that'd be different. Definitely would be different. Lefty, you know, there's just something about lefties, man. It's just how it goes. But, yeah, I don't know. I'm sure age, velocity, you know, you want to talk about analytics. There's something to throw in harder. I get it.

You know, guys that don't throw it as hard have to be more controlled and more, you know, fine tuned on your location. But yeah, I don't, I don't know what it was. Maybe it was just God's timing saying, hey, there's not going to be an opportunity because you need to go home and it's time to be home with those kids. And so far it's worked out. I've had a blast.

It's pretty sweet to just retire mowing people down regardless of who those people are though. Yeah. I guess everybody should just be like, yeah, I want to go kick around a double A for a second. You're like Peyton Manning, you left on top. 15 to one, yeah, exactly. You know, that's the last start in Omaha.

Um, I hope you were just talking trash. I hope you were just storming around like Kenny powers, like on the flama block. You know, it was other than having my wife and kids there, it was, it was just about a great setup. You know, um, my mom and dad were able to drive out. Uh, I got some strikeouts in the last pitch I threw was a sinker inside to a righty and I got a ground ball out and that was my last out. So, and it was a lot of fun.

You knew that'd be your last game? No, I didn't, honestly. I had an opt out the next day. So I knew that if the Rays didn't have an option or an opportunity for me, that I was gonna opt out. Okay, so that's why you invited your- Quite honestly. Yeah, quite honestly. I kind of knew, I kind of thought that I'd been throwing the ball well. So, you know, maybe there'll be another opportunity. And I think I had a couple of minor league

opportunities and maybe one opportunity for like, Hey, we need you in the bullpen tomorrow. And I'm like, Oh, I don't know. It just doesn't sound like something that I just want to pick up and go do. So it just, the opportunities after that just weren't, you know, it wasn't know, it just doesn't sound like something that I just wanna pick up and go do. So, it just, the opportunities after that just weren't, you know, it definitely wasn't a starter and it wasn't something long-term that was more intriguing than being at home with the kids. So you were sort of involved in my introduction into the Torpedo Bats with the Yankees.

Yeah. As a pitcher, is it kind of BS that they can just kind of switch the bat on you? No, I don't think so. I think they have the regulations. I think if they're in it, great. I think one thing that for me, that I don't think people thought about near,

maybe not nearly as much, so it's not right away to say it, but everything is a give and take, right? We'll use um we'll use Adley Rutchman I think he used the one every now and then we'll just use him since he's a buddy of mine I don't want to blow anybody else up but we'll say like okay if you're getting jammed and you move the barrel down great but if you're if you do that you're leaving the end of the bat extremely exposed to things going away from you or cutters on the outside or or the end of the bat extremely exposed to things going away from you or cutters on the outside or the end of the bat is now not a hit. It isn't out. Now there's a reason that having that barrel in that area is important. You might be taking that 70 mile an hour duck

fart into left and turn it into a routine 40 mile an hour line drive to short. So I think if it's okay for me to create a sweeper in five days and the brakes have no idea that that pitch is coming, I'd say it's probably okay if you wanna move the barrel and it's within the regulations that you're allowed to have it, move it. Because if you're worried about getting jammed, I think it's a good thing, but just know that

a pitcher that can throw the ball and make it go the other way, that end of the batch just is exposed now. Well, I was on the wall for you because I thought there's no way the Yankees should be hitting these balls out. You know what, I appreciate that. Definitely was a torpedo bat, for sure. I heard you say that when you decided

it was time to retire, that it was just in time for the family trip to the lake. So what are we doing lake-wise So what is your lake? What are we doing lake wise? What's your lake? So the lake is like North work in Arkansas that my in laws have been going to for, I don't know, 35 years probably. And they go every year the same week, just so happens to be right before all star break, not on all star break. So the last 11 years, I

wasn't able to go. But this year it's a lot of people from their town that they live in. You know, it's almost like the town kind of shuts down a little bit in a lot of their family. A lot of their friends are down there. So everybody kind of takes the week and goes down and zips around on Lake Norfolk and skis and tubes and docks up to each other and swims and has a lot of fun.

So I rented a car. I rented a car very early on one morning, I think maybe like on Friday. And I got up at six AM and met the kids at the lake the first day at the lake and everybody was pretty surprised. So it was pretty fun. I had a baseball question because you know, the Rangers kind of made waves a couple months ago when Kevin Pilar said that he wouldn't see some of his teammates until the game. We have a head football coach in this area who wants to just play ping pong with the guys.

It's not that he just wants to play ping pong. It's in addition to we're trying to create chemistry. Keep going Blake. Does team chemistry matter that much? Because I'm trying to find the balance. If you win a World Series and you hate each other, I feel like that's probably okay, but did you ever think that team chemistry

had anything to do with results? Team chemistry has a ton to do with it, and I would challenge you to go and find somebody who when they win the World Series, they're like, you know what, we really didn't get along this year. It was a battle all year long. You know, we were at each other's throats. But in the end of the day, you know,

it was all about baseball and all about winning. And we're not gonna talk to each other. You know, you don't hear anybody say that. You know, maybe it's because it's not the politically right answer to say, but I can tell you the teams that I've been on, I have won, are extremely close, culture matters, chemistry matters, because, you know, whether

you're poking fun at somebody, or you're encouraging them or finding the right time to say something, you have to know when that is. And you know, if you want to say something to somebody in the middle of an over 20 stretch, you better say it the right way at the right time and you better know how to do that or you're just going to set them off, right? Culture and chemistry matters. I know it can't be measured and you know, there's some front offices that don't believe

in it, but I think there's something to when an expiring free agent leaves or is traded away that void sometimes isn't filled and I think it can really set a team off and set a team back unless you find the right people to do that. But yeah, I don't know if it's ping pong, you know, maybe it's not maybe. What about free throws? Paintball. Cowboys have done them all KG. So I have in the back of the Minnesota Twins,

I got equipment room. They put like a nice glass backboard mini hoop and you know, Caleb Thielbar and I would go in there and we'd have competitions quite a bit on who can make the most out of 10. I think all that stuff's important, man. I mean, we all have families, you know, most of us, we all have things that to get our mind off of the game away from the field. But when you're at the field, you got to know and you got to be able to trust that if I don't get it done, somebody else is, you know, if we have a bad first inning, it's okay. Like a lot of that

is just culture, man. A lot of it is knowing that your teammates are going to show up, being able to hold each other accountable. If you don't have that good culture, you don't have that, that good atmosphere, chemistry, accountability is not going to be a thing. And if you don't have that good atmosphere, chemistry, accountability is not gonna be a thing. And if you don't have accountability and you don't have people who are willing to stand up for each other and be able to trust each other, you might have spurts where you're gonna be good, but it's not gonna happen, it's just not.

You gonna stay close to the game somehow? Somehow, I don't know if that'll be high school level. My son's eight, he's about ready to start kid pitch here this fall. So we gotta do a crash course here over the next couple of months before fall ball starts on box and stealing and stuff like that. Is that the oldest of the four?

Or is that? No, we have an 11 year old daughter. He's our second. Okay. Make that sweeper go left. I don't know. Hey, that's exactly, we'll wait for a couple years for that sweeper, right?

Oh, by then the sweeper will be out. You know, you can't even throw sweepers anymore because I'll just get whacked. So I don't know. I think college and professional level, there's a lot of travel that goes on with it. I don't know that that's unless I'm sitting at home. I've told a lot of people that's my ideal job

in professional baseball would be the team gets me the best wifi money can buy. You send me all the videos you want me to look at and I'll see which pitch tips I can find. I'll go through hitters like two series ahead. I'll write reports for you on how I think they can be gotten out and I'll sit at home and do it. That sounds like a lot of fun but Legion baseball in Missouri is still really big and in our area there's probably five different high schools that feed into the Legion program and I just I happen to know the guy that runs it really well and he told me when I was getting ready for spring training this year I've got a fungo and a bucket ready for you whenever

the time's right Kyle and you know that might be a lot of fun to just go down there once a week and and all the kids from the high schools that are there you know let's do some pitching and have a little bit of fun. I don't know your rate I imagine it's more than I can afford but I I played baseball for and all the kids from the high schools that are there, let's do some pitching and have a little bit of fun. I don't know your rate. I imagine it's more than I can afford, but I played baseball for two years in seventh and eighth grade and never again, and now I'm trying to learn how to pitch at 39.

What level are you trying to pitch at? I'd say it's doable. No, it's really what it is. It's just extremely poor muscle memory. So I'm very long, right? And I just never, I played football and basketball, but I'm not an athlete. It was more of a grinder.

And my throw just, I've come to learn that I'm a pie thrower. That it's not, and people were like, how did you skip rocks? And I would look at them and be like, I could never skip rocks, that's the problem. They're like, just skip a rock. So I'm having to figure all of this out.

And honestly, these guys make fun of me for it, but it's almost like I feel like how an old guy would get into tinkering with trains. Or like, I like going and filming it with a pitch, I wanna learn how to do this. It's a, I would say. Yeah to do this. It's a real, I would say two things. Yeah. I would say two things here. And I'm not saying this is going to fix it, but maybe you can give me an update here in a couple of weeks. Right. Two things. One, try a weighted ball, not to create velocity and all this, but weight causes muscles around your body to contract and you want muscles to be contracting and stable

when you're about to throw. Okay, I have a bunch of them, but I haven't been throwing them because I figured, oh, I'll do that once I get it. Okay. Nope, nope. Grab a six or seven ounce ball and go through shorter arm actions

and throw it into a wall. Don't worry about where the ball goes because you need arm pass help, right? Yes. Now the other thing, the other thing I would take like, so if you go back and look at some of the stories from a few years before Texas, there was a yellow ball called a connection ball

that I used to keep my arm within 90 degrees and not get out, right? Pie thrower, I'm gonna see if I can move. Pie thrower, you're probably super long here, right? Yes. And you're not tight to your ear You need to be a little bit tighter to your ear so find like you're gonna get made fun of this by the gentleman sitting next to you but find like a

Dodgeball or something that can fit in this gap right here Uh-huh and do do like form throwing with this weighted ball step and throw and if the dodgeball goes forward Great, But what's going to happen is it's going to go to the right because it's called forearm fly out. And that's the pie throw. Got it. So you need to get that ball going for us. So do two things, weighted balls and get that connection ball to get your hand connected to your body. Let me know how it goes in a couple of weeks. I'm sorry, Jake has wasted your time, your valuable time with trying to teach an old man.

The reason he's doing it is because he has a two year old kid and he doesn't want to be embarrassed when they go have a father-son catch. He does not want to be that Mercedes Benz commercial or whatever company it was where, what things do you take from your dad and your dad can't play catch and he's trying to teach you. Don't want to do that, I get it.

That does not happen. Well, I think this all started because the neighbor kids made fun of him, I think, one time. Oh, is that it? Just forget about it. We're consulting with an MLB pitcher here. I know, but we can't, every major league pitcher we get on can't be like your coach.

That's tough. Although it does seem. Give it a few weeks, you'll be there. I'm gonna get there, trust me. Hey, did you call? And I will tell you, when you start using this dodge ball on your elbow, you'll wanna play catch in your basement

and make sure nobody sees you you because that's how I was Yeah, so you're gonna get made fun of but just go through it because when yep. Yep, you'll get through it Did you call your own pitches I'm asking this because I watched the great you watched Things on video, right? You don't read but you know your bit you look at things like yeah did you see the greg maddox documentary a lot of good picture books the greg maddox documentary was on like the mlb network or something it was awesome i saw a few parts of that okay snippets of it i didn't sit down and watch all of it but fascinating uh yeah it's fascinating but one of the things i took from it was he had a system no one ever knew about until

He retired apparently where he would call his own pitches with the way he received the ball He would be calling the next pitch like if I caught it over here It's the occur like it was awesome and plus I've heard many different You know people like oh the coach called the pitches or the catcher would call the pit Like how how would that work for you seems like it's all based on you would want to call your own pitches I would think yeah I mean I was very fortunate a lot of catchers that did a lot of homework and had a really good plan and you know our meetings were how we can sync up our plans like Jose Trevino for instance I

just was texting with him the other day and our meetings were so much fun because he did just as much homework as I did almost. So he had a plan. So what I always wanted the catchers to call it and I just let them know, I don't mind shaking off here, but I want you guys to go with your gut because you're watching a swing. You kind of have the idea of a hitter. I want to know what you think. Pitch calm every now and then I'd push pitch before, you know, the catch was ready, but just mainly for time. And then actually the other thing, if I knew before pitchcom, if I knew that I

wanted to throw a slider or a change up or whatever, I would just make sure the hitter wasn't looking and I would just tell them, you know, like put it down by my leg and, you know, a two, Hey, first pitch, curl until lefty. All right. Put a two down there. And the catcher was kind of new that, you know, every now and then I'm going to randomly give you a number and just put it until after you all right put it to you down there and the catcher is kind of new That you know every now and then I'm gonna randomly give you a number and just put it down and let's go for it That's awesome

What do you think of the pitch clock? Having it's before I don't know. I mean it sure fast games. I get it I think I don't think it'll ever be talked about, but I think it'll be interesting to know if somebody's willing to dive into picture injuries and see how it's affected because the numbers of being fatigued after 15 to 20 pitches are real versus beforehand. I think suspense and anticipation is great for big moments. And I think you lose that in some of the games because it's just here, get going, get going, get going. And I think you lose that in some of the games. Because it's just here, get going, get going, get going. And I also think that if you ask fans, if they had fun

today at the game, the first thing they say is not going to be well, yeah, it was two hours and 27 minutes and we're in and out of here and it was great. I think they care if their team wins, whether it takes three hours or two hours and 20 minutes or three hours and 45 minutes. And we'll see their team win, whether it takes three hours or two hours and 20 minutes or three hours and 45 minutes They want to see their team win and they want to have fun doing it So I think it's a it's been effective for tv probably keeps the games inside the three-hour window But I don't know. Yeah, like you said it's trade-offs Yes trade-offs. I don't know

How important was it for you to finish your career above 500, which you did? I think I almost blew that this year probably, but I'm not that important, honestly. I don't know. The more I started worrying about at times personal stats and what I was doing, the more I felt like I just got selfish and looked at myself and I wasn't who I'm created to be. The only reason I know that I had 114 wins, 114 or 112, I don't even know. The only reason I have that is because somebody sent me a funny video and they're recapping

my career and like, you know what, we're just so proud of your hundred and fourteen wins and all this I I don't really I couldn't tell you most of my stats quite honestly I knew that was short of two thousand innings I got to fifteen hundred strikeouts last year so I can tell you some of those but like I don't know That's that was just never really the reason why I played the game and I also wanted to ask This is just like this is your life Because you had Tommy John surgery. What did, I always hear, hey, some guys come back stronger.

What was your experience with Tommy John? Yeah, it was that. I think I had an elbow surgery. We're fucking into it. It's some Tommy John. Yeah. You need a good rehab program. A good rehab program.

Uh, I will say, um, the first pitch when I got into a rehab game after Tommy John was 94 and that was probably the first time I'd hit 94 in a little bit and then after Tommy John, I was pretty consistent like three to five and felt really good about it. I was the last few years though, I had heard that the kind of the shelf life of a Tom and John ligament's like eight to 11 years, eight to 10 years, and I had mine in 2011.

So I think I was pushing the limits a little bit. So every year I'm just like, all right, let's get one more year out of this. I think that's how implants are actually. It's like breast implants. Yeah, seriously. It's like, all right, every, every so you don't think about that. Are you still in the garden? I had not thought about that one time until you just said that. So.

How's the, how's gardening life? You know what? It's something I'm very much looking forward to next spring whenever I'm home for sure. My mom has a really nice garden here. It finally got sunny. It's been raining all morning, but I'm going to take the kids out there. They love it. We're going to take the kids out there and see what she's got for today. But we had found a couple black raspberry bushes, wild ones around our property, and

our kids were just loving walking up there every three days and seeing what they could pick and eat. And I don't know, my wife studied nutrition and fitness. So we take fruits and vegetables and eating as fresh as we could, pretty seriously. So I'm excited to get back into that and have time to do that. And you're on a podcast right now.

Yeah. Like I was surprised to see, Jake said you were on a podcast and I looked at it and I thought it was you were appearing to talk about your retirement. You've been on this all year, even when you were in Tampa. Or you're minors. Yeah, Lance Lynn asked me probably like mid-March,

early March, he's like, Hey, Jim Hayes wants to do a podcast and asked if I'd want to do it. And I said, Well, yeah, let's see if Gabby wants to do it. And he goes, if I'm not playing, I'm gonna do it. If I'm playing, I'm doing it. So we started it up and Matt holidays on as well. And it's been a lot of fun. I think one thing that a lot of people that know me can say is I like to talk a lot. And I like to talk sports, and I like to talk baseball.

So it's been a lot of fun, you know, standing in touch with those guys and being able to recap certain things that happened. What's it called? Serving it up. Serving it up. We can get you two or three listeners. I kind of thought, I kind of, thank you, I appreciate that. I kind of thought that might be kind of cool with two pitchers to be able to come up

with a home run every podcast and talk about the pitch sequence and how we served it up. So Jim Hayes, the host, he hasn't really dove into that yet. I'm sure he'll surprise us at some point and make us go through a homer. Maybe it'll be the five homer day against the Yankees from this year. Maybe that'll be the first one I do.

Well, I wasn't sure what your plans were media-wise, broadcast-wise, but our shows come a long way, and now we make these really terrible AI jingles. So I made one for your new talk show. I think it's a Kyle Gibson show, right? He's recently retired, played with it from the wire. He'll tend your garden for hire. He knows Rod Garden Hire.

It's the Kyle Gibson Show. What do you think, Kyle? You know what? When I start my own show, if I ever do, I'm gonna ask you for that audio file. I assume you do know Ron Gardner. I just kind of just made assumption there. Of course. And you will tend someone's garden for hire. You're retired now.

So stop defending your terrible song. And he played where they filmed the wire. He did play where they filmed the wire. Yeah. You can have that. That show was talked about in the locker room too. So yes, absolutely Accuracies that is interesting guys just actually talk about the wire when they're playing in Baltimore

Well, I mean it was a big show for the city to write so in Bautista his walkout last year, I don't know if the if the kind of the whole presentation theater of it is this year, but Omar that's yeah Yeah, it was awesome if the kind of the whole presentation theater of it is this year, but. The Omar. That's, yeah. The Omar whistle. That was so badass. Yeah, it was awesome. So that was from the show. Oh, that's true, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they played that in and it was good. Oh, that's cool. Well man, it's great to talk to you. It's. Yeah, thank you guys. It's really cool. I mean, you can just tell that you're like living the purpose and you feel fulfilled.

And it's just, it's awesome to see from afar, dude. It's cool. Yeah, I appreciate it. Always, it's awesome to see from afar, dude. It's cool. Yeah, I appreciate it. Always a good catching up with my ranger people, man. That was a special 2021, obviously. I wish the trade wouldn't have happened, been able to play out the first, the whole three years. But people ask me about my time in Texas,

like, well, COVID happened. So that was 60 games. Didn't really get to experience much of Texas. But on the flip side, 2021, when COVID was still shutting down a lot of places, Texas was the one place that we had full stadiums. Yes, sir. Baby. You want to run Rita to go? It was awesome.

But so, but I don't know that I necessarily got the full chance to experience all of Texas, which is a little disappointing because I was really excited about that. But the business side of baseball happens. In the long run, I feel like Philly won that trade. I don't know how those other guys are doing. Spencer Howard is not doing that well. Yeah, we had a lot of fun in Philly. But what was cool was Ian Kennedy and I going together.

We had gotten to know them over the few years prior. So to be teammates with him and then getting traded with him, you guys might've read or not. I don't remember, but we actually rented for the last two months of the season, the famous Muhammad Ali house across the state border in Jersey. And his kids and my kids and our families rented this eight-bedroom house together. So we actually lived together for the last two months of the year. We had, I think we had six kids at the time, maybe five,

but we had eight kids running around that place and four adults and it was wild. But you know that was a cool part about that trade, going with him and you know being able to experience that All right, good times man. Thanks so much for joining us appreciate you appreciate you guys. It's great Kyle Gibson No longer a major league pitcher 112 and 111 What is the final stats? All right, sorry we interrupted Closing remarks.

Is that okay for you? Yeah, it's fine, man. Will that fit? That'll fit. Did we have to wrap anything else up? No, no, I wanna talk about the book briefly. Yeah, that's what I mean, with the book. Do you know our friend Jordan Rogers from Nike?

No, I don't. Hook up with him. He's a buddy of ours who was a brand manager at Nike, and he tried to get off into this whole world of working with the athletes and NIO, just seeing a lot of people trying to maybe take advantage of the kids. Is that just as commonplace as it seems now?

Oh yeah, no, I mean, in the NIO world, there are actually like, NIO agents now, like lots of people have those relationships, and as you've seen, excuse me, as you've seen lots of oh my god that was awesome yeah it was like you're underwater oh man yeah special effects there as you've seen you know lots of collegiate organizations now have like general managers like I know Lombardi is at you know North Carolina and there's just more business being put into that world which creates more areas for Tom Fuller and kids who don't

know anything who are like, hey, should I take this $2 million? Well is that $2 million better than taking $1 million here at a different program that could actually be better for the long-term track of your career? Just lots of decisions that come into that that always get blurred with dollar signs. That's really what it comes down to. How do you get interviews with the guys listed here? Like, you interviewed like, Reddick? Carmela, or, okay, I thought there was a list

of like, decision makers, I may be looking, are there two books with the same title? I hope not. Oh. No, no, I'm looking at yours here. Analyze interviews for, are you just saying you include the interviews? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So there's a lot of like, go there, we're tracking an interview and kind of diving into, so specifically the back of the book which I have here, is got quotes that are in the chapters of

the book that stem off of, you know, different things that we heard, like one in particular is this one here. You know, Fat Luca got the Mavericks to the conference finals by the age of 25. I wouldn't care, Tony, if he was backing a guy down in the post and he had a red lobster bib on with butter sauce dripping off of it. I would give that guy the super max. Well, that's what Tim Legler said to Tony Kornheiser. So it's just like different excerpts of things like that that tie into these different chaotic stories. But a lot of the common thread is in that whole NIL world.

And given that we are lawyers by profession, we dove into the fact that the Supreme Court has even looked into and ruled on different NIL issues. There's a specific quote here from Justice Kavanaugh that talks about the fact that nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing to not pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. The NCAA is not above the law. If you're going to say, all right, well, let's pay these players and let's handle this like having an actual roster

with a salary cap or however you want to break that down, you can't just like autonomously be like, well, this person should be able to get X amount of dollars and this person should only be able to get Y amount of dollars because we feel that their Affect on the team as a whole doesn't necessarily Bring about that dollar figure because as you know I don't know y'all know now that these schools have like salary caps sure they're supposed to spend X amount of dollars every year Well, that's kind of you know, what's on the on the up and up. What else is happening on the side? You know again is it more advantageous for a guy to go to Texas and take less money because he's

from Texas in the long run it'll give him more Texas marketing or across the state. Brand equity. Exactly brand equity. equity. Does that outweigh going to whatever Iowa State who's maybe going to pay you $5 million but you're more likely to get hurt because maybe their roster's not as good, you're not building as much as a brand equity. These most collegiate or up and coming athletes now, they're all about the brand themselves. They're thinking about that as they're making these decisions but again lots of times that just gets cloudy by the fact of dollar signs dollar signs dollar signs and then they just start thinking of like well what is maybe the best thing

to do right now that might not be the best thing for you five years down the road but when you've got this agent, you know, this college agent saying, hey, no, it's not on the dotted line there because that's advantageous for me, but maybe that's not the best for you. What were you thinking when Quinn Uers first went to Ohio State and didn't even play high school for his senior year? Like, and the fact that that is... Just like, is that, would that be something you would want to analyze, you know, at that point? Is this better for your career overall? Is it, you know... No, exactly. His situation was, it's always interesting too if the family has, you know, their own resources,

like you see with arch red-shirting. Exactly. So, like, when you do a work like this, is the idea obviously college courses, but I would imagine you would want to go like speak about it. Oh yeah, I'd love to go to Sloan. Well exactly, that's what I'm thinking of, or things like that. Is that how you market stuff like this? How does this work?

How do you get the book out there? Yeah, so I mean essentially, can I explain earlier, we had come up with this thought process of, there's a war of reasons that go on where you're trying to conflict various things. Is this best for me business-wise, sports-wise, more audio-wise, whatever it may be. And I'm doing a decision dynamics process to make those.

Well, we were trying to partner with a Big Ten University to try and get this like in the athletic department. And we're like, hey, let's start with assessing Track and field athletes or I know we'll have to get our way up to the football program But let's kind of like start this in and what is their decision-making process? What is your decision-making process and bringing these people in the money the amount of NIL dollars you're allocating to her or however It may be well that guy just didn't kind of really get it because the academic world doesn't necessarily understand this competitive sports world.

And one of the main things that guy said to us was when we were going over all of our like, you know, how would you make this decision and how would it affect you? He was like, well, one of these people be thinking, well, I left my high school teammates behind. They didn't get to make it to this next level. And we were like, well, no, that's not the mentality that someone who becomes a professional athlete has. They're a grinder, they're out there, they're a killer.

They're trying to like get to that next level. They're not necessarily as worried about, leaving their high school teammates around or behind, they've made it to the next level. They're looking for those next decisions, those next level steps. So he just, it just really didn't resonate with him. So we kind of got together and we thought,

let's essentially make a roadmap that is this book that we could be like, hey, this is what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact that you need to be considering these varying wars whenever you're making a decision for you to be able to accurately make that decision. Because if not, you're going to leave something behind because you're not thinking about, like we were talking earlier, the intrinsic value that Luka brings to the city of Dallas,

or that Jamarant brings to the city of Memphis, or that Yanis Akhterdumko brings to the city of Milwaukee. Like those guys, they're bringing more stuff to their cities that you can't necessarily quantify with, well how does that relate to their cap hit? Or how many games are they winning? But if you decide to offload that guy, you should've thought about that. You just need to get across this. Yeah, I think you had a lot about Giannis this off season

because there's a lot of NBA media that wants to just talk Giannis trade. Yeah. And I just, I really don't think that's ever in the cards. I kinda don't think it's in his head I don't either he does the weird stuff where he'll like unfollow him on Instagram every few years That's a little weird, but he oh I've never thought he was but he he seems derkish to me and that He's been embraced by that city. He likes the city. He got his title

Yeah, so if he never got his title I could it. And that's what Dirk has always said. He probably would have gone ring chasin'. But once he got his title, he's like, yeah. And I don't think anyone weighs that in when they're like, well, maybe they'll just decide to trade him to Houston and get some of those draft picks. I think the fan base would revolt. Exactly.

And probably the test case of Dallas has shown some of these other franchises. You know what? I might have been scared at that super max, but I gotta Exactly gotta do it. Well, no the whole Mavericks Luca fiasco is it is a perfect example of all this Because it shows the effect that it had on the city the the negative goodwill backlash that it had on the city based off of them taking this player out. They did it under the cover of Knight. They did it to like a shady situation with no other bar. There's all this weird stuff around it that makes it seem like a sticky situation and that's because it is. It really is. We're like when Oklahoma City was letting, you know, they were, they're Oklahoma City.

They never claimed to be this franchise of loyalty that would never, and they just said, we're all poor, we're gonna get rid of Hardin. We're gonna get rid, like eventually. Say tax, that's all you gotta say. Yeah. And then on the flip side of that, you know, like Yanis in Milwaukee,

the Milwaukee ownership group needs to do everything they can to try and keep him there, so that the long run if he ultimately decides to leave it's will Yanis left us right that's not the same thing would have been here yeah and that keeps your fans loyal exactly because you you gave us what we wanted all these years it's not your fault that you lost Luca exactly he left he's the bad guy and that that's like a common thread in the foundation of this book is that sports are unique in the fact that you create a sports love. Like I was evidenced by my shirt.

I unrealistically and devoutly love the Cowboys. And as a child of the late 80s, all I've known of success from the Cowboys was like, what, when I was eight and younger. But I still diehardly show up and I do it every day or every I decided for this season because I still at the core like love them even though they might make some bonehead decisions here and there and they don't necessarily always keep to the same track record I still have a sports love at the foundation of that and I feel like that's a unique thing to

sports as opposed to brand like, you might be like, Oh, I'm a Ford guy or I'm a Chevy guy. Yeah. But do people get a lot of Ford tattoos? But they get a lot of cowboy stars or they get a lot of, you know, 76ers logos or you know, Lombardi trophies or whatever it may be that they do that. But they don't always go out and be like, Oh man, I'm a big Camaro SS guy, and I get that across my chest. Or Coca-Cola or whatever it may be. When I was in high school, the only tattoo that,

because my buddy got one, so I thought I might get it, I might go ahead and get myself a chief wahoo. It's shocking that you're calf does not have a chief wahoo. Is it amazing that I don't have that? If I had a tattoo, it would be a chief wahoo. And then I'd be possibly canceled, but it'd be back now. It would be back now. I lasered it off.

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closing remarks? Oh well also to say Blake 42 is awesome I commend you on playing with your granddad I used to play that all the time like me and a buddy of mine and like Deakins and stuff like that that's how I grew up on it. So keep up with the 42 man for sure. We went to the same high school. Yeah we did. Small little high school. Garland Christian Academy. Did you play football? I did. Everybody played football? Everybody played football. Okay. Yeah there was no cuts. No. In my junior, senior year, we went 1 and 19. Been there. Who's the one?

Oh, I'm trying to remember. What an embarrassed team that is. I want to say it was like TK Gorman or something like that. Or the School for the Blind. Yeah, it might have been. Yeah, sometimes we played them. And it was funny, sophomore year, we played Prestonwood and we beat them because Prestonwood wasn't Prest year, we played Preston Wood and we beat him

because Preston Wood wasn't Preston Wood. And then junior year and every sequential year after that, Preston Wood stomped our face in. Well. Adios, mofo. We gotta go before this becomes a zoo. Thank you for watching my video. Subscribe and type for my name

if you wanna watch more of my videos. If you can't stop anybody, then the quarterback's always having to throw the ball and then that doesn't look so good. If you can't run the ball, then you going to have to go to the a definitive opinion as to whether or not that guy played well. And it's all based on stats and based on stats and based on stats and and it's all based on stats and based on stats and based on stats and throw the ball and then that based on stats and balls on the ground, balls on the ground, throw the ball and then that based on stats and balls on the ground, balls on the ground. Everybody feels that balls on the ground, that balls on the ground, that balls on the ground, that everybody feels that balls on the ground. Everybody feels that ball's on the ground. That ball's on the ground.

That ball's on the ground. That everybody feels that ball's on the ground. That ball's on the ground. That ball's on the ground. Oh, I know the ball was incomplete. The ball was incomplete. The ball was incomplete. The ball was incomplete.

And it must've been a bad throw. Ball was incomplete. Ball was incomplete. The ball was incomplete. The ball's on the ground. I feel that the ball was incomplete. The ball was incomplete. Ball balls on the ground. The ball was incomplete. The ball was on the ground. I feel that the ball was incomplete. Balls on the ground. The ball was incomplete. The

ball was on the ground. The ball was incomplete. The ball was on the ground. The quarterback's ball's getting hit.