The Dumb Zone FREE - DZ 8-12-25 | Jesse Holley joins us in the tent from Cowboys Training Camp

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

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Anyway, my name is Dan McDowell We have Clayton Kimbrough here Foodie CK We have Matt Grimm here And here is Dallas Cowboys Training Camp In Oxnard, California I was walking

To Vons last night, the grocery store And then back and on a phone call And walk down to the beach What a great location Who picked our Airbnb? You did an amazing job. You're right, I did. That's insane.

It's a little far from Spencers, but it's okay. Oh, God. This guy. But it is really close to our Froyo shop, and I appreciate that. That helps you walk off that big, thick burrito that you eat at. Yeah, that's actually, I don't know if walk off actually works, but it is good for digestion. I was thinking about this last night as a forget guy. Which, I'm glad you found your credential.

It was in the car. It was under the seat wedged down in there. Another tick on your, I'm not drunk. Yeah, I still lost my credential. Yeah, yeah. Feeling the best I have in years. I'm mentally sharp. Also, just to prove to grim that the food thing is not only a booze-related deal.

I bogowed a spicy chicken sandwiches from Popeyes last night. At midnight. No, it was midnight home time. It was like 10, 15 out here. You told me, Blake this morning said it was midnight here. There's no way. I could, my time could be wrong, but I thought it was pretty close to midnight. So wait.

Yes, you ate Popeyes. You would kill me if I tried to go to Subway. You're like, you were in California. Yeah, I know. Subway, the fact that you just put Subway on Popeye's tier, I'm going to act like didn't happen. But your point is taken that it's a chain, right? And you got it DoorDash? I didn't put it on the company card.

I'm just saying, though. That was not the issue. It was a buy one, get one. I just happened to see it on the app, and I was like, well, I'll just get a spicy chicken sandwich for today and one for tomorrow. That means he went to the app not quite knowing what he wanted. I was curious. You're like a guy with the TV scroll thing. Yeah.

I was a little bit hungry. I'm just going to scroll through and see if there's anything here for me. Pretty much. And then I was faced with something that would have really had you quaking in your boots. I needed ketchup, and they didn't send me any, but there was some in the fridge, like a third full bottle of ketchup. Would you have done that? So I have a story that relates to that from this morning. And it also relates to, oh, it's not just drunk Jake.

It's just Jake. So I'm getting up. I'm on Texas time. We know. We ate dinner at 3.30 yesterday local time. That was at 5.30. I thought it was a little late. But by all accounts, everybody else had another meal afterwards.

So just call that your late lunch. When you're eating dinner with me, that's late lunch. And then you guys all eat a full meal after. But we're catering to your needs. This guy got Popeyes and I saw him eat half a pizza. I heated up the rest of the pizza. I don't understand him. And tonight we're going to order.

Matt said he went out to. get a burrito. He did. So, like, everybody is eating again. So just humor me. But anyway, so I'm getting up at 7 a.m. We're humaning you by doing it. We're doing what you want. These are the sacrifices that you make.

Well, you don't have to do what I, can't I just do a thing alone? Do you have to be with me? No, but then we get the passive aggressive. I guess I'll go by myself. I do not do that. I'd love to be alone. Shift from defending, shift from defending yourself from criticism from him. back into criticizing me.

Okay, good. So this morning, I'm getting up Texas time. To me, that's 7 a.m. I mean, I wake up early and get the wordel done. You know all the thing. So I got to film my morning routine. Do you feel like I should be that guy? Yeah, yeah.

No, no. You're going to see me doing Wordle. You're going to see me doing Immaculate Grid. You're going to see me drinking a whole pot of coffee. Very weak. Very weak coffee. So I, because I buy, so I walk to 7-Eleven to get a coffee. I get an extra large coffee so that I can come home and then pour it into another cup

and then fill it half with water. And then I had that coffee. However, this morning, so I walked to 7-Eleven and back, that's a couple thousand steps. By 7.15 a.m., Dallas time, which is 5.15 a.m. here, so I'm feeling good. I got back and realized, I didn't bring the creamer. I can't drink the black coffee. You know, I'm afraid I won't go back to the creamer if I do try the black.

So I go up to the fridge because I remember you said there was some extra creamer in there. And I picked it up, and I looked down, I'm looking for an expiration date, but it was like. January 2026. Oh, you did look at it? Yeah. There's only a little left in it. And I just thought, you know what? I'll go get 2,000 more steps.

Well, actually, no, here's what I thought. Sorry, back to criticizing Jake. I thought, you know what? I don't want to walk all that way. Plus, I wouldn't mind getting a couple of those waters. So I'll just drive. Okay. We have a kind of a community car.

And when you have a community car, Clayton might have seen me do this the other night. I said, hey, here's the keys. I'm going to leave them on the counter here because that's what you do. and anybody wants the car use the car so i went up to the stairs after i looked through the uh i'm not going to use this creamer absolutely not it was left over i needed unopened creamer so i looked for the keys can't find the keys and i figure they're in the room with jake because he was the last guy with the car so now i had to walk the other i got the two thousand steps again anyway i've had a million steps today okay because i walked to seven eleven and back but i left my coffee

sitting at home so I could walk and I just got a creamer and I had to buy something else like something small. Like one of the small ones? Yes. Just one. So this is actually something

I wanted to talk about because yesterday I was looking for something and it required me to go up and down the stairs five times. Clayton probably saw me. And I just it occurred to me

this whole steps thing has just completely reframed what a beating it is to go back and forth doing shit like I wasn't bothered I was like well this is steps yeah it's great like you forget something in your car and you're like well I mean at the end of the day I'm getting 200 more

steps they completely just reframed this entire idea that used to piss you off like God I got to go back and forth and back and forth no I was kind of happy actually everything you do now that's kind of a beating you're like well good and you can thank RFK for that I think or something

I'm thanking you my question for that extra walk this morning well just so you know the keys were by the door where you walk out like on the bench right by the front door in your room like area I'm not very observant but I will also tell you that was not the place we'd been putting them

and in retrospect I should have done that so last night I look at the catch up I don't really care but I wanted to know since you were concerned and it said like June 26 So then... What would it have had to say for you not to eat that ketchup? June 2024? It would have...

The text was merely me reporting on it. It was completely a smell sight thing. And I had blown past that... You would have eaten a 2020 ketchup. If it looked and tasted like good ketchup. Okay. So, but what I don't know, though, is when does... Does the expiration date start?

Like, there's no way that creamers... Is it like sell by? That's what I'm saying. Sell by it. But they say when you open it. Keep refrigerated and it's... Like there's something that happens when you open it. That's what I'm saying.

It's just surprising to me that coffee creamer has like, you can open this and drink it. If as long as it's been in the fridge, two years later, that seems insane. Right. But I'm using the same logic for the ketchup, really, which is like, it says 26. So speaking of Jake walking up and down the stairs, I have a couple of pictures in there in today's day of air. Dan Photo 1 and Dan Photo 2 So let me just tell you this little story So

We have another sponsor out here Moxie Energy It is a drink What's their website? I'm hooked I think you can only get it on the web right now Right now, retail coming soon But drinkmoxie.com

Good stuff I'm an energy drink guy So I feel comfortable evaluating these So they had sent us some product in Dallas but then said, you know what? We're going to also send you a case in California. And so last night, everybody was talking about, or I was talking with Jake, and he was saying, oh, I said, we got a case of that Moxie downstairs.

And he said, oh, I'd like to have some right now. Because I said, we'll just take it to the thing. He's like, I'll drink it now. I'm like, it's not refrigerated. He's like, I'll drink it now. Got some ice. so we had rangers baseball to get juiced up so we're all doing stuff we're talking about the show whatever and then i decided you know what i'll go uh open that box and uh bring up some moxie for jake

and then i saw what that the first picture was a six pack of moxie or a 12 pack but it was ripped open because i'll open something and try to open it a little nicer than that and i thought oh maybe Clayton had brought that Moxie from Dallas and that's how Jake already had some so I'll go downstairs and I found some scissors and I was going to open up the box and then I go downstairs and I

see this like it looked like a wild animal got in the house and tore open this box and then left it laying right there it's just all messed up just the paper that was inside the box is just what am I living with here are we in college is this our frat

yeah absolutely He's ordering DoorDash at midnight. You just turned 40 years old, son. Watching comedy specials. Dude, I don't know. You're watching faces of death. What are we doing next? I don't know.

I feel like I'm sort of like maturity or whatever, like Benjamin Budding a little bit. Is this your midlife crisis? I think so, yeah. Just start acting like I'm on old school. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. That's how I open. stuff and also that's just indicative of how much I wanted to get into that moxie get those

natural lions mains mushrooms I'm on mushrooms right now for mental acuity and clean caffeine and it doesn't taste like it was made to give a child medicine if you're not an energy drink drinker you might not get that but most of it feels like hey we got to make this as sweet as possible because it's gross. That's pretty funny you're wearing that powder blue because I had to beg you to turn the game back on last night. You didn't have to beg me, you know that's for shit. You just wanted to see

the local news hots. I was doing research for the show lest we forget. Do you agree with what he was saying yesterday? We have a new segment. The weather hots are like a different level here. She doesn't know anything about weather. Bring me up.

Okay. Where are you? How about that? Oh, that's all, man. Colliness I was doing research The news out here is incredible It's not just the Hots We'll get to it later But they were down

Dude Eivaldi was getting His poop pushed Right And at that point I don't really want to watch Because there's no chance The Rangers are just

They don't have an offense to come back We flipped it off at 6 to 1 And then he became obsessed with this news story About this Indian guy getting beaten to death With a golf club Why are you spoiling the news? I do. I research these stories. I collect audio, the photo. Were you not entertained by the Indian guy who got beat by a golf club by a homeless guy? I hate when the news does this. We're

like, oh, you know, beware that the following video may be too graphic for younger audiences. And then they blur the entire screen. I know. It's like, dude. Now I've got to run to Twitter to find the actual video. I was watching like Saddam Hussein torture his soccer team at school when I was 12. I think I can handle a photo of this guy. Yeah. But it was... So, we flipped it back when Blake said... Hey, Langford, three-run, home run.

Yeah. And then we got to see the walk-off. Yeah, we stuck a few more innings. Once we got to extras, what did I say? I said it's over. Done for. Yeah. Look at the lineup.

Seeger's on at the plate. You got Higgie. Now, two days ago, you told me the season was over, and you're not watching anymore. I don't think I said I'm not watching anymore. Well, you did say that like a month ago. Did say that a month ago. Okay, so you're back on the Rangers. I don't know.

Are you reading books again? No. The earnest book? It's on the nightstand, but I have not cracked into... Should every hotel have an earnest book in the nightstand? A Gideon's urn. So I went to our Froyo shop last night. Alone?

Again. Yeah, because I did. I did the call with the family while walking to get my... business burrito to digest and then uh ran back to our our yogurt shop and i got my little cookie dough bites it's just a it's a very cute presentation it is and then i got hit up by a homeless person on my way back and you know i'm a sucker for that but really but i feel like i've hit my quota like i don't have to help another one again in my life another one yeah yeah i mean

You've adopted a homeless person. Pretty much. It's like when you adopt a African kid or something, you send whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Or the animal. Like, no longer does Sarah McLaughlin get to you after you've adopted an animal, right? So she said, you know, I like your shoes.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is it she? She said, I like your shoes. And I knew I could see this play coming. I didn't bite for the play action. I thank you. And she's like, you know, if you had anything. And I knew that I'd, I hit my quota, so I just said, I can't help you, I'm sorry.

And then I took a bite of my frio. Oh, you did not. You son of a bitch. Did you eat the spoon backwards, like real sarcastically? I felt horrible, but I can't help you. What is that eating my tongue? A snow cap? No, no, it's cookie dough.

Dasty-o-hoo. God, that sucks. I had to fast walk back to our Airbnb. I was so ashamed. Dude, I mean, people joke about this, like, with, like, white, Comedians with black wives, though. And it's like, you know, at some point you're like, boy, you could really kind of open up the offense here. And Blake's like, yeah, I can actually just laugh at homeless people because I've completely changed one's life.

That works, though, but I used to get, my dad used to try to do that with, like, his, at UPS, I think they would, at a certain level, mandate that a portion of your check went to the United Way, which was like their teamsters. charity thing the whole thing felt like the effing mafia to me you know it wasn't like going down to your local soup kitchen and he he would just tell he would say that went home with he's like i already did comes out of my check already like i already donate you know the united way and it used to be real popular so they did some guy laying in a puddle or something is like oh okay oh he had that's great come on man so you got out of it yeah i got out of it And then I think Dan's a little on edge this morning because I cut in front of his microwave line. Because he put his frozen broccoli in for like five minutes.

It's on the label that's steamed broccoli. That's just a long time to hog the microwave. Why are you putting, why don't you just put it in the oven? Well, it's a, it's in a thing. It says steamed broccoli. Could you put it on a pan? I don't think so. I think the way it's created is, I don't know.

The point is, I do have a microwave down in my. level you didn't want it to smell and i should use that i'm going to use that from now on because blake's like i don't want my food to smell like broccoli oh it's extremely valid concern deep voice that's really masculine yeah why did everyone want to have sex with fake because he has a masculine deep voice and you're you no but i didn't want my chicken to smell like broccoli so i just took dan's out i cut in line dude i'm fight this battle at home big time because i air fry frozen broccoli in the morning and everyone is angry because the smell Yeah.

Boy, you should come over my house and do it. I love it. Y'all have a great time. Put a little fan. I want you to air fry it and put a fan behind that on me as I'm like, do it at six in the morning so I can wake up to that. Oh, you know, others want to wake up to that smell of bacon. God, that's so gross. So on today's program, we didn't talk about what order to stack these.

Tell the people, Jake, or Blake, when is Shottie? Shottie is 105 So I think we need to do our show Until shoddy Then we'll take a break Okay Because it's hard

The press conference area is right there We cannot do our show While there's a press conference going on Yeah even our little mystery science 3K last show Was drawn a couple of looks A couple of looks That's okay

We just don't want big looks So We have Jake's story From the weekend And I have a bunch of shoddy stuff. And we also can... Also, we can continue our off-air conversation. Dan and Jake talking cowboys as they walked in to training camp.

A couple of listeners manning one of the merch stores, too, over there. All right. A couple cowboy employees, we heard somebody yell, Dan. And then they kind of hid. And I was like, who's over there? there ladies always it was a lady who's like look i just i'm a big i'm a big damn guy that's right i'm drawing the ladies in i'll talk cowboys with the help of uh game day men's health oh no doubt speaking of i got to get somebody to shoot me up out here that's right i'll try

jake brought his testosterone you know they have like a cream you didn't have to bring your you not to be so they didn't even offer the cream to me they said we know you're a we know you're a shot guy You are. You used to give your wife the shots, right? Dude. You guys were both heroin addicts? Big needle, too. That was much bigger than this needle. But we can do whatever you want, man.

I'm ready for Cowboys. I'm ready for JP. You tell me. Well, I don't know if what if your story got interrupted. Well, I'll just start with Cowboys. Yeah, I'm fired up. Because we got some shoddy stuff. This is all stemming off of the first game,

which, by all accounts, not going to be. good but they really they held like everybody out i saw bot like on bob's rankings he had like the out of the top 32 players on the team like four of them played and two of those were brian anger and brandon arbery so i don't know that's pretty interesting oh that by the way that also spurred a Brad Sham turned into George Teague moment on Twitter. Okay. Because he had to go protect the star. Let's do it.

Oh, come on in. Heck yeah. Where's your little buddy? Is he coming to? Oh. I was double-dipped to where I'm at a moment here. Special trip for us. All right.

What was I saying, though? Okay. Shotty post game. Bob and Shane. Oh, that they appear to have a bad game. and the question was, you know, why did they rest so many players? And, you know, the thought is, why did Shottie rest so many players? And then I think some people are of the mind of, well, Shottie's not really making that call.

That goes higher than Shottie, which would be, of course, you know, the Joneses. And Brad Shamm thought he would disagree and wanted to get into a nice fight about it, which I always love. Yes. Uh, sports coop jumped into that. Yes. Or excuse, no, Coop Coop Coop. Uh, sports Delcus jumped into that. Right. Yep.

And, uh, actually, uh, was fighting a little bit on Twitter. And I love, uh, what I'm seeing right here. I love the, uh, the worry about the cleanliness of our headphones. Yeah. This guy. Because that is my game. Oh, yeah, no. Listen, I've been, I've worked in radio, TV, and before COVID, I was spraying down mics.

mic microphones mic coverings and all right with you man because one i don't see one lady out here i don't and i dudes are just nasty dude i'm living with the nastiest of them oh my god i should try to be in our place like i've been in studios that are nastier than some locker rooms so guys spit talk guys dip and spit this is jesse holly hey guys uh so i'm always yeah you know from B-L-S, correct? Yes, yes, yes. Are you guys staying in an Airbnb together? We are.

Are they disgusting as these guys are? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Jeff cooks, he cleans. We got a guy who cooks. Yeah, he's very domestic. Clarence is never there. He's always...

That's great. He's outside. Clarence is outside, and our producer, John Anderson, John is very isolated. He's very isolated. He's like either in his room, on the computer doing technical stuff or like in a corner in like the dining room area so i thought we had some jesse holly like uh we had a beef or something a while ago right didn't you block him

or no no no no beef this is why it's is a nice this is a twitter block no no this is a it's a nice intro into the uh from the brad and coop and uh and bob thing so we talked so he i was blocked for several years um you blocked him but hold on i guess so but we then we then Then spoke at Jamie Newberg's class together. Yeah. I had a good time. And afterward, I was like, hey, and I explained this. And the next day, he hit me with the predator Arnold and Carl Weathers.

You know what happened? I think it was, you know how sometimes you'll have this mass Twitter. Response. People are mad. Why'd you say that? Why'd you say that? And so, like, everybody's responding to something I have said. And I think, I think, I think, Kemp just.

caught, like, I think he caught a wave of other people's disrespect, and I just was like, that's it. And so it wasn't specifically targeted towards him. It might have been something that was just like one of those... Yeah, it was. Clean sweep. I think. And also... Is this when you were

playing? No. Okay. No, no, no. I'm not tweeting NFL player. That's like the biggest level of loser shit in the world. No, he was in media. And it was... Okay, so it was... I don't know if we could find the photo, Blake, but it was when... It was when Tony Romo suited up for the Mavericks, right? Because, you know, God knows the Cowboys didn't do anything for retirement. So he's out there. He's doing warm-ups. He was in a team photo. This is like the worst of the worst Mavs. I was doing the post-game show at the time. And there was a photo of him. Tony's always looking Tony. Kind of goofy. And he had a Mavs jersey on. And he was kind of like looking down with this like crazy look in his eyes, but looking down. And Jesse,

posted in and said something to the effect of when you accidentally, or when you get it in her hair, when you accidentally get it in her hair. Nice, okay. And I thought it was the funniest effing tweet I had seen so long, and I was, I think I might have just been like, holy shit or something like that,

quote tweet, retweeted it, got swept up in a, in a Holly raid, and lived to tell about it, though. Yeah, yeah. But it was so funny. As I'm saying, like, it was nothing that was, like, that's what I'm saying, I think it was just one of those deals where just

also Twitter's Twitter he got caught in it you know what I mean I think because people you got to remember at that time there was this great divide right there was just great divide on DAC versus Tony and Tony has a contingency

of fans that in that particular moment were like outrageous and I'm a Tony guy not that I'm not a Dak guy but Tony's my guy and so I think when I made the joke a lot of his fans then became a little bit irate like how dare you you scrub

Tony did this for you and Tony did that for you and when people get on that level I just go alright well listen if you don't have a little bit of sense of humor then you're not for me and I just thought it kind of like bloop bloop bloop and I think I think him just got caught up in the yeah it was also a time of Twitter where people were way more like you can't say this can't say that but I remember man getting to sit down with you at Newburgh's thing

and hearing about everything that happened in that season when everything happened and could you kind of retell what happened there with like you know you make the plays in the game was it Dez out? Des was out Dez is out. Miles got hurt. And so

you know you proved yourself there and then what happened after that? Like I know it's a painful story but I feel like I feel like to be honest with you like I think a lot of people like I have my brother worked in the NFL for a little bit right but on the edges edges edges and I think a lot of people

People don't know, like, they know how it is for guys at the top, but I don't know if they know, like, the human ups and downs week to week of guys on the margins. Yeah, no, you know, because when you're a guy like me, you're always fighting for a chance, right? Everything, every day, that's why, you know, you come out to training camp and you see some of these guys. I was like, Florida. I'm like, all these guys didn't play this preseason game? I'm like, who the hell of these guys that think? They don't have to play in these preseason games.

but you're always fighting for a chance always fighting to prove yourself always fighting this uphill battle which cool fine I make a great living I'm playing a kid's game getting paid a boatload of money to do so but in that particular season you know Des had went down we had week two

we had played the Jets on 9-11 in New York right this big game and Des gets hurt in that game he has like a deep thigh and this is the game that at the end of the game he uh we lost we lose the game des and tony aren't connecting on a route reverse interception i remember that yeah yeah Tony took credit Tony took the blame for but let's just say it wasn't Tony thought anyway that happened

a lot yeah anyway um and uh and so the next week we come into the game we're playing the nineers uh in san francisco and you know does is not practicing and i'm now in the rotation I'm in the mix here I'm in 11 personnel And at the time it was Des It was Miles Austin was on that team And Kevin Ogletree and Dwayne Harris

And so But I'm in the mix Right And I'm getting excited because And here's a look into The nature of behind the scenes Is you don't wish injury on anybody Especially your own teammates

You're also not mad when it happens In your position group I'm just telling you the truth Like, if you're a guy who's trying to, you know, get up in there, you're like, man, I don't want nobody to get hurt, but. I mean, it's not, if you can't go this week. The way I think of it is like, well, you're still about the team. You think you can help the team. So it's not like a selfish thing of like, oh, me instead of him.

It's just I think I can help. So when Des is battling this deep thigh contusion all week long, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, young fella, take another week off if you need to. You know what I'm like, take the week off if you need to, you know? And so it's a game time decision and he doesn't go, right? So now I'm like, this is great. It's me, Miles, and Kevin Ogletree. I'm in there an 11 personnel. We run a ton of 11 of personnel.

And then leading up to the game, I'm standing in the training room. And Kevin is on the table getting this ankles taped. And we're just going over some last minute things. I'm like, hey, Kail, don't forget, hey, when we go to this personnel, you're going here, I'm going there. But when we go to this person now, we're switching back to this and that, you know. Because you guys were both inside outside? Yes, yes.

So we just make a sure on certain things that, you know, we were straight. And then Coach Rob walks up, wide receiver coach at the time. And as if I'm 6'4-220 pounds, 15 pounds at that time, as if I'm not standing there. He walks up and he talks to Kevin Ogletree and he goes, hey, hey, yo, when we go to this, you're going here now. When we go to this, you're going here now. And I'm sitting there and I'm listening to it. And I'm just like, wait, that's where I go in these things. So if he's going there, what the hell is?

am I going. And Coach Rob just walks away. Never says a word to me. And I'm like, coach, he's like, oh yeah, Dwayne's going to go there. Dwayne Harris. And I'm like, what the one? I'm like, what happened? Like I was, I was in the, and now I'm back regulated to the sideline again, and I am livid. To the point where I am actually crying angry tears in the pregame. And thanks be to, thanks God for John Kittner. He comes up to him and he goes, do you get a uniform him today? I said, yeah, but it's not the same. He goes, listen, enough with the crying. He goes, you got a chance to make an opportunity.

You have an opportunity to make a play today. Somehow, some way, don't worry about it. So we go through first quarter, second quarter, and the game is back and forth game. It's a good game, right? But the whole time, Duane can't line up right. He's lining up in the wrong spots. He doesn't know where he's supposed to go. Now, this was happening in practice.

I don't know why they thought it wasn't going to happen in the game. It had been happening in practice. So we finally get to the point. Tony goes out, right? We We later on find out it's a broken rib and punctured lungs. John Kittner comes in, makes a couple plays. But then we get to the fourth quarter and sure enough, break the huddle. Duane lines up in the wrong place.

We got to bang a time out because he has to go figure it out where he's on the other side. We bang a time out. Jason Garrett is livid. And I'm standing right next to my coach, but I can hear him screaming, get him the God of the game. That's it. Get him out.

And so he coach goes, Jess, go in. I'm like, bet. so go in and people remember the big play like at the end of the game but people don't read right but people forget to forget that there were like a over slants there were two slants that we had to run on key third down to keep the drive alive to get to the uh uh to the field going to know in overtime and so i make these plays and then we we go to the overtime and overtime come and tony is like killing he's he's like hurting he could barely talk in the huddle and i'm standing right next to him and jason garrett called

585 harvies it was a staple route that we ran everybody knew that we ran it was a stupid route everyone hated it but it was a part of jacier's office and so it comes in and tony um he looks and he kind of goes f it let's go win this game and he called the play called z poker and what was special about z poker was only miles ran z poker let me let me back up before we get to time we're in the fourth quarter and I catch a slant miles catches a play and it makes the first down and he comes back to the huddle he goes I'm done and I'm like what are you talking about like this is happening in the huddle I'm like what are you talking about he goes my hamstring is shot I'm done I'm like you can't be done like what are we going to do no des no miles what are we

going to do he's like you'll have to figure it out because I can't run anymore and in that 585 is he running the eight is he the one that you need to push deep miles okay well yeah yeah yeah like he's in that but like so fast forward we get to z poker z poker is a miles austin route it is a special play four miles only mile runs it he's the only one that practice it like it is a mile the the reeds are in that play when you hear it to only kill the play to the when you kill he goes kill kill kill he killed it to the z poker it was a run play killed a z poker if we got the right look he kills it to z poker the reeds in z poker is miles one miles two miles three throw it out of bounds.

Like, that's the read. It is a all-or-nothing play four miles Austin. And we break the huddle, and I'm like, wait a second, I'm the Z. This is coming to me. If we run Z poker, this is coming to me. And sure enough, you see Tony go kill, kill, kill, kill. And I'm like, oh, shh, this is coming to me. Can I stop you right there?

Yeah. So I don't remember the down and distance. Do you obviously? First down. First down. It's the first play. They punted the ball to us. Right.

Okay. So as an option, you're finally, you're in the position where you're the primary. Are you hoping that your option is to go? Like, are you lining up thinking, I hope to God he's eating because I'm leaving. Because that safety has to come down. Or are you like, I'd rather just get an eight-yarder here and start this drive off. Or are you like, play one, I hope he gives me the look. I'm hoping the look comes, right?

Because catching the ball, I never had a problem. I'm not worried about that part. I'm hoping the look. Because if the look isn't there, he changed the play in the huddle. To this. To this play. So if the look isn't there,

Jason's probably screaming at him and he's probably, you know, maybe doesn't come back to it again. You don't have the opportunity again. Especially with it being you, frankly. No, no, no, 100% with it being me. They're like, I'm not taking a shot again.

Yeah. So I'm praying for the look. And the look is, and this is why I say that it's an all-and-nothing play because if we're talking about, being too high safety, right? Let's go to a little football university here, right? We're talking about it being two high safeties, meaning that safeties are on both hashes. The players ran, I run 10 yards in, four more yards to 14 yards, and then I turn up in between the two of them,

and we get a completion. Like, that's the first option in it, if we keep it on that. But if we go and this safety now is coming down, right? Now I'm playing off this safety where I'm acting that if I'm coming in to block him, because we're going to do a playoff. action and then I keep it back up and so I run away from that from that safe but you don't turn back no no no I don't I keep going up the field right and so now Dante Whitney who was the safety he starts creeping down and now he's coming into the boss because Jason Gare's offense on first down we're normally running it so so Tony the the brainiac of Tony goes I know what we normally do I got to throw a loop in it right and so that's why he went to that and so I was praying for the look

and when I started seeing Dante creeped down, I'm like, oh, sh, oh, sh, oh, sh, oh, sh, it's happening, it's happening. And so when it all comes together, and I'm waiting for the ball now, like I'm looking back and I'm just like, I'm waiting to see the ball come over the horizon, and when it does, I'm just like, great. I know I was going to catch it. That's not an easy catch either, though. Like the body adjustment, I feel like.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, over the shoulder, like, ah. I don't know. I mean, well, you played in the NFL. Yeah, to me, that's a normal. I used to struggle with that one. Yeah, yeah, like, most people, do like seeing it over like tracking it but that was that was an easy easy catch for me so being able to do it and then it was just run as fast as I could and then I got I got run down but funny

note I got a chance to watch the premiere last night of the gambler and the cowboys and I left there and I was just like I wanted to like stand up like you guys remember coming to America the first coming to America when they're at the St. John's game and he's like yes end in face in the face I wanted to stand up because if you remember back to that NFC championship game in 92 Alvin Harper is running Michaels goes I'm running that route Harp you go over here and he goes to Alvin Harper he got run down to San Francisco okay fantastic so I'm like yes I'm not the only one that got run down in San Francisco just like me talk about that so yeah I want to be like in their face it's not just me you should have I know what was it like in there last night

amazing amazing um you know the the very first thought that i had after watching that i said to myself damn he did it again he did it again what reeled you back in he he don't miss he doesn't jerry jones doesn't freaking miss the way that and and we're all i think i think we're all I don't know about you. You look a little young. How old are you? 34. I'm 40.

He's 49. So we're in the A's group to know everything that happened in 1992 in the NFC. Right? You've been around long enough to know. You know, you know, the outcome of the game. You know the plays that happened in that game. You know who played in that game. You know everything about the game.

But the way, like, so we watched, we went right to episode three. Episode three sits in the 1992 NFC championship game, Cowboys. Niners, that whole thing. And so the way that they're talking and the way that they shot it is you hear from Bill Romanowski, you hear from Jerry Rice, you hear from Steve Young, you hear from LaBardo. Eddie DeBardo. Eddie DeBardo, you hear from the head coach with Sefer. I mean, then you hear from Michael, you hear from Emmett, you hear from Troy, you hear from Charles, you hear from Jerry, you hear from Jimmy, right?

So they're playing the scene, and it's the dominant Niners versus the upstart Cowboys, and you're hearing it from both sides, right? You're hearing Steve Young talk about, man, it's 1992. I'm the MVP of the league, but Joe Montana is healthy now. He's on the sideline, and he's like he's ready to go. Talk about pressure, right? And Jerry Rice and Bill Romanosk talking about, man, it's one of the most physical games I've ever played in, and then Michael and Emmett, and it is.

But then as they reel you win, you're on the edge of your seat, it cuts and it goes back to like 1960 and it talks about jerryette arkansas and and him and jimmy being teammates and it and it cuts again to him you know borrowing eight hundred thousand dollars to drill in the oil well that that led to a hundred million dollars and some family stuff and how he was a shoe salesman and pizza and and RV mobile homes and all that kind of stuff and how he almost got in the bed with uh jimmy hopper you know trying to buy the san diego charges but it's like it's taking you in this game and it's like you're there and you're hearing these intense back store back locker room conversations about what's happening though you know the outcome of

the game and how this stuff played out the way that they cut it the the cinematography of it was chef kiss and you're hearing the nostalgia you're hearing pat summer roll you're hearing john mad like to me i'm like this is the essence of football right you're here pat summer Emmett Smith, you know, he plows ahead. You know, just like, and John Madge, like, whoa, hey, guys. I'm just like, damn, this is what I grew up on. This is the essence of football when you're hearing these names. And, of course, you hear Michael talking, Emmett talking, Dion talking,

all these guys, the passion that they're talking about and hearing it now from the Niners perspective. And the way that they did it, man, this, I left and I said, damn it, Gary did it again. Freaking did it again. This is going to be a, I'm telling you, if you know anything about Jesse Holly and I know what people are going to say

I am not a carry-the-water dude I'm not a company man I say what I want I say when I want to say it I don't care what network I work on the Dallas Cowboy Network and I say what the hell I want They seem to be okay with that

I get called to the principal's office every now and again when I get a little bit too much in depth but that's who I am right and so this is not me doing this whole PR carry the water for Jerry Jones I'm not. I'm just like the rest of y'all.

I'm tired of the bull. I want to see victories. I want to see wins. I want to be a part of the. I want to go and cover a Super Bowl, right? In my adult life, when I'm a part of the media, while I'm still here. So I want them to win, and I don't think they're close to us seeing that.

But I said, damn it, he got me again. And this is, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, it's a seven-part series. You know, you're going to see one part in another episode. where they take you to the owner's meetings and, you know, when the whole Jimmy and Jerry thing really, you know, he says it's in there. He's like, you know, stay right here because you're about to see some,

I'm about to fire this mother, and then it cuts off. I'm telling you, like, you're going to see. Have you seen them all? I've seen just about all of them. I've seen a lot of them. Okay. Yeah, I've seen, there's seven. So you're saying Jerry has done it again

as far as putting out something entertaining that we're all going to be sucked into. Kind of like, uh fourth and long yeah because we were we were so into that and it's still amazing that it really is there's that it ever occurred in history and i don't even know if like were you old enough to watch fourth and long do you know what fourth and long oh yeah okay sure so like kids younger than 30 though probably don't even realize there was a reality show no yeah i was i was all about it at the time and i remember certain scenes from that show and i tell myself all the time

because I think Michael Irvin had to tell you not to throw you into the bus or anything, but eat for purpose. No, that's Montrell. That wasn't me. It wasn't? Montrell Jones. Okay.

Because every time I started diet, I think of Michael Irvin. Keep for purpose. Wait, so what was he saying? Yeah, Montreel ate everything, and he was a good player, fat as hell. Couldn't be fat as hell throwing up. Like, it was Montel.

And Montrell, a really good player. played high level at Louisville and he started at Tennessee transferred to Louisville played high level football like this is not

fat as hell couldn't couldn't could not stay off and for us you know the food was readily available

to us but there was options and he always showed the bigger of the options and so that's what he was talking about Montreale because he's like you're throwing up

you're not in shape and he's like you know eat for purpose not for pleasure yeah yeah that was Montreale but that's a good memory How many guys around that show? 12.

So let me give you the backstory of the numbers of that show. When I did it... So it's a reality, just for people who don't know, it's a reality show. Michael Irvin hosted it, and they had a bunch of players come in, and the winner of the show gets an invite to training camp. There are a limited... Nothing guaranteed, but it is a limited. But there's a limited number of players who can be invited to training camp,

and Jerry worked it out with Michael and said, What? I'll give you the last one. Was it 90? 80. 80. Number 80, you can have the guy's not going to make the team, whatever. Number 80 probably never makes the team anyway. It doesn't matter. So we'll do this bit. But it's still amazing that it was done. Okay, sorry. And so the numbers to it all. And this is 2009. 2009, right? So at that time, I'm out of the league. Let me just give you my back story. I'm out of the league. I am broke. You had little training camp cup of coffee or what? Had you ever played? No, I did my rookie season in Cincinnati. Okay, so you played in the NFL? Yeah, I was on a practice squad in Cincinnati for like 10 weeks, and I got released like in November.

Okay, so you had never been on the regular roster. Correct, correct. But this is it. So I'm there in 2007 in Cincinnati, right? And then I spent a little bit of time in the CFL in British Columbia, Canada for the BC Lions. At this point in time, out of the league, I'm broke. And I don't mean rich broke.

I mean broke, broke, broke. I'm living on a futon in a friend's back room in Durham, North Carolina, and I'm working as a security guard, a top flight security of the world, Craig, whistle.

Not a gun. I got a whistle and a flashlight. And I'm doing that on the graveyard shift, and I'm working at a team mobile in the morning from 10 to 3. So I'm working from 11 to 7. I'm training from 730 to 9.000. 9.30, every day, and I'm

working from 10 to 3 at T-Mobile. You're training by yourself? Me and my high school, my best friend. He still living in North Carolina. When I tell you, this is run-down. This is some Rocky 1-type rundown. The equipment in this gym was, if other gyms were renovating and throwing away equipment,

they went and picked it up. And they duct taped it. Like, you're doing a lot, pull-downs, and the wire is like, I'm like, this is going to break. Any moment now, any moment now, someone's going to pull this thing, down and they're going to crack their forehead wide open. But the membership was like six bucks a month. It was

a tape on the back of the benches. It was runned out. Pillows because they don't have any more cushions. It's all I can afford. Yes. And so I get a call for this show and we do the auditions and just fast forward. What do they tell you at the beginning? Like what is the first call?

The first call is, hey. For example, we just talked to a guy who went on a reality show where they said, hey, do you want to come on this show where you just marry a lady you've never seen before? He did it. And now he's with her, like, seven years later. Do they call you and tell you specifically it's the Cowboys? No. That's, okay.

They said it's a reality TV show based around football. You want to be a part of it. That's just incredibly vague. Just. And do you get paid for just being on the show? Nothing, not like $1,000? Okay. Opportunity.

The Big E. Exposure. You get opportunity and you get... And food. out of it you didn't have to pay for the food I think you're like a per die it was like $75 a day right whatever that totaled out to at the end

of it all whatever you know what I'm saying like but there was food there um and so they did auditions in five cities they're four cities but they did two in L.A they did one in Dallas one in Ohio one in Orlando and I went to the one in Orlando and I'll save you the backstory actually how I

got to Orlando but even that's a miracle and so I do that and then I get a call to go to California to do another audition I'm sorry, I don't want to take these parts of the story for granted. What's the audition in Orlando like? So what they want you to do is, is a two-day audition. They want you to come in, and they want to see you on camera.

And so they want to have you in this room and to ask you questions and see how you are in scenarios on camera. And then the other one is like an on-to-field tryout. Like they want to see you move, like run routes and do things like that. It was receivers and dbs. And so that's what the two-day event was about. But when I got there, the producer who was familiar with who I was said, he goes, I know that you can play. So you don't have to do the other audition.

I want to see what you are on camera. They don't want a real boring. Right. They want someone who's going to be able to carry a show on camera. And it was interesting because when we get to L.A., they're doing these things on camera. And this is when I knew, like, reality TV show is a different beast. So imagine this. This is how they do it.

when we get to California, you're sequestered in your room. You cannot leave. You cannot go anywhere. If you do, you're automatically eliminated. You're in this room by yourself. You do not know the day or time that you're going to be leaving. Where you're going? Who's coming to get you?

Nothing. Right? Then your phone rings in your room. And they go, come down to room 103. So you come down to room 103 and there's chairs like this sitting in there. and there's a camera and there's nobody in the room. It feels very, like, hostile or saw. So they come in there and you sit down,

and all of a sudden you hear like a voice, like God. It's like, do you think you're the best receiver here? I'm in a room by myself on a show about football. What do you think my answer is going to be? Absolutely. I can't tell you who's in. I don't know who's here. I don't know who's here.

Nobody knows who's here. And so they asked you a couple of questions, and they're asking these different scenarios, whatever, and then they send you back to your room. Maybe five or six, seven hours go by. They call you back down to this room. Hours, you're just sitting in your room. You got to stay there?

You got to stay in your room. Getting off Fire Romo tweets. You know what I mean? And so you come back down, but this time, now when you come back down, there's a random dude who you have no idea who he is, he's in the room. And they ask the same question.

Who do you think the best bar receiver in this room is? So, wait, you're sitting next to a guy now? I don't know who he is. Okay. And they'll go, and I'm looking at him. He's looking at me. And I'm like, me. Like, why do you think you're the best?

I'm like, I run the bed. And then they're like, so do you think he's the best? And other guy's like, hell no. And so now I'm looking at this dude. He's looking at me. And I'm like, you don't? And he's like, I don't. And then they'll go, you can go.

and then you're in your room and then they'll say, hey, we're bringing dinners at this room. Then you'll come down and get your dinner and then you'll go back to your room. And then you'll come down again and there's three guys in the chair. Three different dudes.

They're not the same guy that you saw earlier. So now same thing. Now I was like, could any of these guys cover you, Jesse? I don't know their DBs or not. I'm like, they don't have a shot in hell. And they're like, oh, lock you up. So now this whole mind thing is happening

and we don't even know what's happening. We don't even know what's happening. So you're thinking, is this the reality show? Am I already on it? But you're asking me a question, what do you want me to say? Yeah. Right? I'm trying to get on this show.

So my answer is going to be a confident. You're going to be a confident answer. Now, it just so happened, I truly do believe this. I truly believe I was the best one there. I truly believe none of these dudes. So you go through all this, and then you're there. We're there for six days. And it's six days of this.

Locked in your room. You leave. go do, we went to do a psych test. Did you have to pay for the porn block in the hotel or the eight hour? You're in the room all day. Yeah, you're in the room all day.

And this is, like, this is the mental gymnastics that they're playing with you. You leave, and then you go do like a physical, like an EKG, all that kind of stuff. Like, you go do all of this, and then you go back to your room, and you're in there for hours. And then they pop you out.

They'll put you in this room, and they'll ask these questions, and it's different people. we're doing this like five or six days and then we go back and so now we get a call that you're back in North Carolina I'm back in North Carolina

and now they get a call and say you've been one of the 12 now when I tell you the numbers of us all when I initially came on they faxed me we're in this time we're not in we're not in e-signatures type level like this you know

so they faxed me a sheet that I had to fill out all the kind of information that I want to be a part of this he said from that he said we received he said we received over a hundred

thousand of these entries he says from that hundred thousand we went and did we offered auditions in two in LA Dallas Ohio Orlando he says from that we had 22,000 people we auditioned in those five auditions

from that 22,000 we picked 50 of you that went to LA it was 50 of us there right and we did like it we did ever think they were lying about that 100,000 thing just to make it sound better. That feels like the law of me. I don't think so. Because you didn't respond to an ad.

They called you, right? Yeah, but there were ads out. I just never saw it. Okay. But what they were doing was they called every division one, two, and three university in the country. And they asked like the PR people, do you have anybody? Because that's how I got the heads up. Kevin Best was our PR guy, Carolina.

Someone who was pretty good, fell through the cracks, maybe. Someone who had a personality, but actually can play ball on Sunday. And so Kevin called me and said, I don't know what it's about. This is what they called me. I'm just calling you to tell them that I gave your information. Okay. And so they called every division one,

two and three university in the country. Okay. Trying to find players. He started 100,000, 50, paired it down. Now where are we at? We're 12 that getting invited to the show. Six wide receivers, six D-Bs. Okay.

And I'm the one. I win it all. And then now I go back to the back of the line. How long was the show? Two and a half, the show, we were two and a half months, and we lived. People don't believe this,

but this is the honest to God truth. We lived in the cotton bowl. Like you slept at the cotton bowl. In the cotton bowl. And this is not, you got to know, the cotton bowl is not Jerry World. No. The Cotton World is a beating. It is a, it is a huge beating.

It's a dump. But there was a time when I was a kid where that would have been like the sickest thing in the world to me. Not air condition. I'm at the cotton bowl. They put, like they make shift, like they made walls, right? So like the locker room was the locker room. And they put a wall up. talk about filth

the locker room slash our kitchen yeah probably passing code right for sure then they put a wall up another wall and they had like a TV room there was like a couch

it was like a foosball table there was a TV that we were not allowed to watch go figure and then there was another then there was another wall where the bathrooms are at where our beds were

and we slept six we slept two two two So if a dude farted, it was right on top of you. You know what I mean? And the only place that they couldn't record by law was the bathroom.

You go to the bathroom. So they had a camera set up in that bedroom. It had cameras set up everywhere. You were miced up at all times. Everywhere. There were cameras everywhere in this place. And they took away our cell phones. They took away our laptops.

They took away our computers. They took away iPods. You had zero contact with the outside world. zero for two and a half months what's your family you had you had well were they like anything for an opportunity I mean yeah yeah the cell phone store where you worked or whatever there is no so I had to I I quit I had to quit the night job because my boss wouldn't give me the time off to go to L.A. for the audition so I quit that job my T-Mobile boss was actually a Carolina Tar Hill fan and knew me from college and was like do what you got to do

you know we'll figure it out when you come back if you need a job you still have a job so thank God, Don McCarty. Shout out to Don McCarty. So, I'm not to tell my family that I was leaving, but- You want to rip that a-hole? It wouldn't like you? Yeah, yeah. You get the flip side.

Yeah, I mean, he's, handed to him. Yeah, yeah, uh, quarterman. He was, uh, Sergeant Quarterman. He's dead, but I'm, oh, well. Good ridden's, quarterman. Yeah, he was, he was, he was a mean, he was a mean old bastard. Uh, thanks, man. I appreciate it, man.

Um, and so, we get to the cotton bowl and we live in the cotton bowl, Can I ask you one more thing? Yeah, sure. Are you freaking out up, like, financially at this point because you're having to quit these jobs to go take this opportunity? I mean, it's not like those aren't jobs you couldn't maybe eventually get again sort of, sort of job. But what you have to remember is, this is 2008.

We're in the recession. Oh, hell yeah. Okay, this is great. We're in the recession. Right when I graduated college. We're in the recession now. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm college-de-up and couldn't get a job.

Yeah. You see what I'm saying? And so what ended up happening was. I remember calling my brother before I left the show and I said, I need $1,000. He said, for what? And I said, listen, these bills are already past due, but let me just give it.

A thousand will kind of keep me from them like, really, because I had already like, my car should have been told because I couldn't afford car insurance and I got pulled over it. The cop let me go. She drove me back to the apartment complex where I was staying, took my license plates

and said, when you get insurance and covers for this car, you can actually come down to the station and you'll give you a place back. I stole plates from another car in the parking lot and put them on my car so I can go to work. So I'm driving around with... Fraudulent.

I'm riding as dirty as you can ride. Part of the reason why I didn't drive to Orlando was because I'm like, imagine me in the back rows of Alabama getting pulled over and these tags are to a Toyota Camry and I'm driving in infinity. And you're like, hey, officer, I'm going to be on a reality show for, football he's like yeah okay black boy good luck with that how about you can make it to saturday

or sunday he's on board right yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure he's like i'm like what about the white only positive he's like you won't find out this time so so i get to the cotton bowl and we're living inside the cotton bowl for two and a half months zero communication we got to call we got to write letters but they had to read the letter that you wrote to send it out and if you got anything like sent to you they had to read it before they gave it to you like it was totally like jail they totally like jail minus the shanks so you can't be writing like michaelervin's an a hole no like okay can't tell them about the show can't tell them about what's going on who got eliminated any of that um and then every so often they uh it will be a competition and you would

get like three minutes of a phone call was the show airing while you guys were there or did it air after well after okay so it was all in the can so it it it It shot during what would be minicamp in OTAs. And it shot during that time and then aired leading up to training camp. Okay. So it was 10 episodes that led up to training camp, which made the culmination of training camp being in it. And then all of a sudden, here's the guy that won.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And so we go and do that. And it was, man, I've never been to jail. I have no future plans of going to jail. but that two and a half months just being isolated like the way it plays on your mental

and then having to always be on like imagine every single day you're competing with because naturally I compete against DB DB compete against wide receivers that's that's natural right that's the circle of life but I'm also now competing against another wide receiver because he wants my spot so I'm competing here I'm competing there and I'm completing here and then Michael and God bless Joe Alvazano and Bill Bates are the coaches

and it's a constant and Michael is Michael is literally trying to kill us not making this up there were several times when we were shooting where the producers had to come out of the truck and like hey listen you have to

stop because someone's going to die the way that he had us we had one episode where we conditioned we were running I'm not lying for seven eight hours straight it started with like this long run and then he wasn't satisfied So we did 1-10s, we did 1-10s. Then we had to do 1-10 with parachutes.

Then we had to run up and down the Cotton Bowl Stadium. It was, like, guys were having full body cramps. And, like, someone can die here. There wasn't, like, a medical. Yeah, we had one on there. Yeah, her name was Holly. Yeah, yeah, she was there. And she was like, hey, you got to stop.

And he's like, run him again. Yeah, because, I mean, imagine, like, every other workout that these guys are doing is regulated by some body. Yeah, they don't. The school. We had a training there. Shout out to Will.

Will was there. It was our trainer, like our physical strength. And then Holly was our medical person there. I trained a medical person there. And we had, but even she's like, she's like calling to the truck. Like, he has to stop. Like, these guys are having full body cramps. Like, this is going to end bad.

And, like, the producer had to come out of the truck. I was like, Mike, I know you want to make somebody quit, but you're going to make somebody die. Yeah, it was like that kid was myocarditis or something? And what was that kid, the push-up thing in W? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, like, the producer had to. Good problem for the show, though. No, it was great.

There's like, if someone would have died, that would have been like, you really earned this. As long as it wasn't you. As long as it wasn't me. But, yeah, and so it was hell. But I just kept saying to myself, you can't lose. And I told my brother, my brother gave me $1,000.

He had, like, call us, like, $4.1K and borrow money, like, take money out of it. And I was like, bro, I'm not losing. I'm like, I don't know how it's going to end, I'm not losing. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going back to doing security. I'm not going back to doing T-Mobile. Like, this is not happening. There are 11 other dudes who made that call to their brother, too.

Yeah, I know. But I was like, I'm not, this is not happening. Like, I'm not losing. And I end up winning, and I become the 80th man in the training camp roster, the 80th man in the training camp roster, and, man, in the training camp, and I fought and fought and I I spent three years with the captain. Who was in that training camp? Who was your wide receivers there?

Sam Hurd, Patrick Critton. Oh, he could have told you about the prison. Yeah, well, he didn't know about prison at that time. Oh, okay, that's right. Yeah, Sam Hurd, Miles Austin, Patrick Creighton, Roy Williams. T.O. No, T.O. was there last year. This was 2009, so T.O. had left.

My first year, Isaiah Standback was there. Kevin, no, Kevin wasn't there that year. Yeah, but those were the guys that were there. Was, were you, I was thinking were you not well received? I mean, you just want some stupid reality shit. I was just going to ask what people are talking shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Part of the reason why I wouldn't spit on Orlando Scantzic, he was on fire,

is because the way that he received me. Like, he made jokes about it and it was like, oh, these dudes of fraud and da-da-da-da-da. And he's a bad dude. Anyway. But like. He did always seem like just pissed. He's always for no reason. Oscar de Grouch, just for no reason, just always angry.

Kind of say as a fan, though, like I kind of liked it when he was out there because he just seemed like a little asshole. He got torched all the time. Now, that was a problem. It was like, I don't know, how do you be a fan of that? Like, it's one thing to be aggressive and, like, really be aggressive. Can I tell you why it's a thing? It's because I'm a cowboy fan, and if you show me a little bit of, like,

then I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's fine. Yeah, but what about the other time that they were running by him for touchdown? That part not bother you? No, that did, yeah. I'd like to hear it, though. I'm just surprised to hear that he was a guy that was a little, like, you know. But the nicest person to me, be honest, but you, the nicest person is to me, the nicest, initially, um,

DeMarcus where? And I'm not surprised by that. I was sitting by myself eating in training camp. And he came and sat down to the table. I was sitting at. And he's like, what's up, bro? I'm like, what's going on, man? He's like, why you always eat by yourself?

I'm like, oh, we don't know nobody. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not really trying to, I'm not trying to come in and make friends. I'm trying to make a team. And he's like, you're a part of this team now. He goes, as long as you're here, you're a part of this team. Get to know people. And he was like, you know, and at that time,

I don't even know if I knew. how, like, Demarcus Ware was like, but this is DeMarcus Ware, right? And he was one of the nicest people, but the thing that people respected about me, it wasn't that I was just over talented dude. I worked my tail off every single day.

And I would tell dudes, like, the plays, because, you know, sometimes they want you to kind of, you know, brother-in-law and training camp, like, hey, bro, I don't go too hard on this rap, da-da-da. And I would tell guys, listen, for every rep that you don't want me to take off, put $5,000 in my locker before practice. This is the money

a need when they cut me. Like this is literally, because what's the worst that can happen? We fight? Okay. Let's fight. Like, if you're upset that I'm going hard, then that's a you problem. So you have irrational confidence at that time, I would think, because you knew I'm going to win that show and then I won the show. What was your confidence level on making the team? Sketchy. Yeah. But you had to be thinking, too, though, like if you could get in the

pipeline of like back in the game. But here's the thing. thing. Yeah, but now you're also labeled as the reality show, guys. I'm the 80th man. And normally by the time, come on, guys, you know, you've been around. You get the training camp and you're the guy that's always standing in the back, you're a camp body, right? You're a camp body.

You're here for a limited amount of time. And I'm like, how do I, because no one knows me. Jason Garrett, who at the time was the offensive coordinator, Wade Phillips was the head coach. He'd been working with guys all through OTAs and minicamp and guys that they drafted and guys they wanted to be there and I wasn't the guy. To me, to them, I was just a guy

that came in on, here's Jerry doing Jerry things again and he's a reality TV show guy and this thing comes in. Jason wanted to cut me after week one. I know this for a fact. Coaches told me this. Back then, you did cuts throughout. You did cuts weekly.

Right. Like, you got through training camp and then you did a cut. He got to train in camp, you did a cut. And he wanted to cut me like after a week and bring back the guy

that they had to cut. cut to get me on the roster. And they saw me, and they were like, wait a second. And Wade Phillips and set out to my guy, Joe D. Camillas, who was the special teams coach. I was like, wait a second. Now, like, this guy's got some, you know, he's big, he's strong, he's fast. Like, this guy's got something. Like, let's just a directive from Jerry.

Like, hey, my reality show guy's got to make a couple of cuts. For Jerry, it already worked out. Yeah. We were the number one. Like, our show at that time was on Spike TV. We were the number one show on Spike TV. So the club had already Jerry had already won

He had got the million dollars worth of free publicity So if this was this day and age It'd be good because you don't cut throughout And you would have got a lot of preseason playing time Right Yeah right But then you're saying Garrett doesn't he want to Look at you

He didn't give me a playbook Until I got to San Antonio This is when the Trenicat was in San Antonio Then in Knox North So I didn't get a playbook Until I got to San Antonio So I didn't know So Joe Avisano and I used to sneak into Valley Ranch

and we would I won't give the guy a film name who did this because he still works for the Cowboys but we had an inside dude who would sneak us in

and at that time he was like an intern and he was in a coat closet like not even the quarter size of the room that we're sitting in right now this tent and he just cut up film

all day long that's all his job was cut up film cut up film cut up film he snuck us in we were sitting in that coat closet

for eight ten hours a day and I would watch every practice this, and I would watch every meeting, because they did installs. And I hand wrote down every play that Jason put up in the install. That's how I had a somewhat vague familiarity of what the offense was. And who, because he's just like, he's not a part of this team.

And like, yeah, what kind of he is? He's like, no, he's not. Well, I got to imagine Shottie would have had you going to dinner with F-N. Yeah, I would have been one of the guys. Yeah, it feels like that's a big part of. Yeah, and so. So, you know, Jason wanted me go out through the first week and Will

and, not, Wade, and Joe D was like, wait a second. And I remember, like, talking to Jody and he was like, if you're going to be a part of this thing, special teams would be the way that you do it. And he's like, give me everything you got. And I was like, okay. He's like, he's going to be an L5. And if you don't know what an L5 and R5 is,

this is, this is, I'm predating myself. This when we had wedges in football. Like, when you had the Did you know at the time what he was talking about? Yeah. Or you were just saying I'll do whatever. No, no, no, I knew. When he said it, I was like, you're busting. Yeah, I'm busting the wedge.

But, again, what was the alternative? Is that like Kamikaze guy? It's kind of a lot here. And Wedges is like, when you look down there, when you look, you see 78, 94, 62, I got 16. Okay. There's a, there's a weight discrepancy. This is why they change kickoff rules. Right?

Guys like you're holding hands, you know, three across. And they're all, this is a combined thousand pounds, right? Because you're talking about 320, 300, three something. And they're like this, I'm 2.15. And he's like, I'm like, split them. Split them. I'm like, split them. Yeah.

Just think of it like getting open. Yeah, he's like, listen. Remember the two safeties? Yeah. He's like, listen, we're going to kick it left, right? But we don't want the ball to come back right. Too much field over there. So you got to split them to keep the ball on that side of the field

because our coverage is coming that way. And what was the alternative? Go back being poor, go back to a futon. So I'm like, okay, let's split them, let's go. And I would just run down there and just... Did you ever have, like, I would think a guy like you, that'd be the perfect place where you know you got a concussion, but you're not going out.

You're going to fight through it. Okay, something like that on the practice field. Never. Never. I'm not coming off the field. Yeah. And what you realize, is after the fact that you

see stars or you're like this, that's a concussion. That is literally a concussion. That was in my day, the bell rung. That's what I'm saying. Oh, you got your bell rung. Shake it off. Or didn't you say the smelling stuff

they use it for that? It's a big, I think I've always, I use smelling salts for like just a little kick, but I think they're pretty good for masking concussions. Oh, yeah, they get you back. You get you back right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. The flip side of this, though,

is now that everybody knows what concussions are and talks about them because of football, They act like it's just football. When your kid falls when he's three or four, he probably had at least a contusion to the school. Like you're getting concussions in life. It's your brain smashed up against your skull. Yeah, it's just now you think, like, oh, football bad.

So that's concussions. But yeah, man. And Wade wanted to give me another week. And next week, it started coming together to your point. Like being back in the game, the tool started to come back. And so, like, running routes and I'm doing scout team stuff. and I'm just like, but like I'm doing scout team stuff

and the first team defensive coaches are like, this 16 kid is over there working Terrence Newman and working Mike Jenkins. They're like, you know what I'm doing? Who the hell is this guy? Now did Romo ever take to you because that was his path? He started as the fourth stringer. Yeah, so like he would give like little tidbits,

but like honestly like they don't think about. Like even when I would, like if Romo's up on the center and we're doing like patting. He's not concerned with the 80th guy. Like when he comes up and we're doing pat and go when we're doing routes on air and he comes up and he looks out there

and he's C-16 he goes hey step back Miles come on like he's not working with me like you know what I'm saying like I'm working with John Kittner

and Rudy Carpenter and Steve McGee total's not Tony and this is no disrespect yeah yeah he's worried about this nature of the beast he has to get

like he's like 16 I don't even know if you're going to be here tomorrow did you know Kittna from Cincinnati was he there I did not no no no no no no I didn't

I met Kittina when I got I got two Dallas and we've been friends yeah no we've been friends every since then but yeah and you just I just worked my tail off and you know

two people if you're going to laugh like two people who really I give a ton of my having success in Dallas was Patrick Creighton and Sam Hurd they they I remember asking Roy

Williams and Roy is one of my best friends This is the receiver from Texas. I remember asking him one day about a play like, hey, what do you got on this? And Roy looks at me. He goes, didn't they give you a playbook? You better read it then, mother, and it walks off. I'm like, all right, no help from that guy.

Yeah. You know, but the two things that Patrick and Sam gave me, Patrick Gray, he'd said, listen. He said, I know Coach told you to learn Z, learn everything. Yeah. He said, learn everything. He said, you want, he said, remember, he said, when coach, he says, here's what you want you to do.

He says, let's just say, for an example, Roy runs three-go routes, and he's tapping his helmet because he's tired. When coach turns around and says, I need an X, you don't want him to look at you and say he only plays Z, right? And you don't want to be like, oh, I only play Z. He says, you want to go out there and play X. Now, well the ball? That's a lesson for everything in life.

Yeah, he's like, will the ball come your way? Probably not. But what Coach will go is, damn, I didn't tell him to learn Z. I mean, I didn't tell him to learn X, but he knows X. He went out there. And he executed it, right? So he said, learned everything. Little tiny things that they add up.

And he said, learned everything. He said, because what will happen is someone's going to get injured. Someone's going to get tired. Miles Austin's going to hurt. Right. You know what I'm saying? And so I did. And then Sam was like, listen, bro, you want to stick around?

Get your weight up. Don't list out the 10 crack commandments. One. Oh. Yes. His own supply. Never sell no crack when you rest at. Okay, if they want an ounce, tell them bouts.

And then Sam was just like, Sam should have told him, he did, Sam did tell him the bounce in the restaurant. The FBI agent kept pressuring him to take the cocaine. Are we going to get an HBO show? We should. Do you actually have opinions on that? Like, you seem to just have,

you've thought about this. Like he got played a little bit? Well, yeah. Like is it entrapment? It was. That's why he didn't do life in prison. Oh, I didn't know that that was actually part of the sentence. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's why he only did like the time that he did and he didn't do 100 years. He's out. He's out. You keep in touch with him? No, no, no. So I'll give you a quick Sam Hurd story when I found out how it all was happening. Now, I found out like everyone else.

We were on our way to practice, and it said he was in Chicago at this time. By the way, before, I just want to make sure we do know. We were about to say some great life, cool advice Sam Hurd gave you. And I do want to make sure we get back. Well, I do want to get back to this. Let me just quickly say it. Because Sam told me, like, listen, if you want to stick around in this league, learn special teams. right like be a special teams

demon he goes that's how you make the roster every single week he's like because they pay the guys who they're going to start and if you're not one of those guys how do you get a jersey every week special teams and I didn't know that because I didn't play special teams in college

or high school defense guys you think of like Jeff Heath Barry Church like that happens but and that's the case with a lot of guys but Jeff Heath you're the best player on your high school team you're the best player on my college team right so now you get to the pros

I'm like, and you have to learn how to be a scrub. I'm like, do what? Yeah. Punt. Punt. I'm getting Gatorade on the punt team. You know what I'm saying? And so Sam gave me great advice and how to do it.

And I watched him every single day. Like, what we're about to talk about, yes, is he was undrafted, right? Undrafted guy. But Sam did it the right way. Like if you go back and you watch Sam's career, like he was a dude who showed up every day, 100 miles an hour, was always in the right position. position like he I remember his first camp I remember Tio took to him

big time afterwards like he was man like he was and oddly enough what a lot of people don't know the Miles Austin story and I'll get to the Sam start Miles Austin when he broke out in Kansas City a lot of people don't know this this is an actual true fact the night before the game

because Roy didn't play that game they had a rib injury or something like that the night before the game because Miles and Sam were kind of like similar they both played special remember miles came in as a returner he were like stank number 89 or 14 or something like crazy before he changed the 19 the night before the game the coach's could not decide who was going to start the game sam or miles they flipped a coin talk about life and chances they flipped the coin the night before in the coaches meeting on who was going to get the start because they found out that night that roy wasn't wasn't going to play the next day. And they were that even. And they were that even.

They were that even. He had like a 200-yard game or something. He broke the cowboy. He's like 250-something, three touchdowns. He should have four. He dropped one in the back of the end zone. And off goes Miles Austin. And then Latin leaves,

and after that year, he gets a $50 million, you know, contract. Everybody wants that second contract. Right. Like he gets the big contract. And while Sam was still making, I mean, Sam was making like $1.9, which is not chump change.

Sure. But we also found out later that Sam was making a million dollars a month. Also, he was investing. Yeah, he was investing in the earth, the herbals, the herbal essence of the earth. But so every offseason where a lot of guys like myself will we make a ton of money. Like I made a ton of money in the offseason going to do these charity things, right? Like you go to Harlingen and you go to Brownsville and they got a golf tournament and they fly you out privately, by the way. What do you make for one of those?

Five grand. Okay. And you're doing every weekend, kind of? I'm doing every other weekend. Every other. Yeah, I'm clearing five grand. Like, in the office, and I'm making $40,000, $50,000 and, you know, hey, you go sign an autograph for an hour. What are you making during the season?

Like, what's practice squad back then? Oh, I'm making. Like 100? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm making good money. Like, I'm not making.

Yeah, but you're, that's just for practice squad. You can make $100,000? Now it's 200 grand. Yeah. Okay. It's 200 grand plus. Back then, it was part, what? I remember being like 75 or 80.

And I was a little more than that. It was near 100. But you're thinking then even in the off season, this could end any time. I got to take every opportunity I'm saying yes. They're like, hey, come down to the fair at 2,500. I'll be there. Hey, come over here to this. I'll be there.

You know, I'll give you $500 for an hour. I'll be there. So, like, at the end of the summer, I'm like, I've made $40,000 because I've done these autographs signing that people will say no to. And then you'll have time. And you'll get better at golf. I'm not even, yeah, I'm just out there, you're right? So this particular one, we had three. We would go to like Brownsville or Harlingen in South.

Because there's a huge, huge cowboy fan base in South Texas, in the valley. And so we always flew private, which is odd. We always flew private. And so like these dentists and these doctors would have these charity things for the community, softball, kickball. basketball, golf, and they get about eight players, you know, six, seven players. We come down there, Sam was always on the trip. And I was like, I'm not turning down this money. I'm on the trip as well.

And you think we fly out of Addison and, you know, we're on a PJ. Now, NFL professional athlete travel luggage is normally a Louis Vuitton. some sort of Gucci, you know, 55, just carry on, right? Like, it's standard, it's standard, right? Now it's like Go Yard or it's still Louisville, but it's standard. This is what we carry on for our carry-on bags. Now, Sam always had two.

But again, no one's thinking this, because let me say this, and I always prefer this by saying this, I am a man of faith. I believe in Jesus Christ, and Sam believed in Jesus Christ. and so Sam was like I hate to say it like this but Sam was like a spiritual leader in the locker room with that

kind of stuff and that doesn't mean that he wasn't believing in it he just his flesh got the best of him and so he always had too but I'm thinking because guys during the season would go down there to do radio shows so we had Tuesday was day off

so Mondays after practice they would jump on the plane go down do a radio show down there some guys state of night now if you went to south texas and in those times you how can i put this there were treats chicks what are we talking about treats yeah okay yeah so you have a good time yeah so when you go but we were there for a couple days like three days we would do these you know these tournaments and things like that while we did two days a lot of times i'm thinking it's the game they played the game like I'm not a gamer, but they would play the PlayStation and all that kinds.

I'm thinking it's just... So while I'm there, I actually got hired to come back later on in that year to speak at a graduation. So I was like the keynote speaker at a graduation, which at that time was 10,000 kids. It was crazy. Now, how does that feel in your wheelhouse? That seems like a pressure-filled thing. You got to write a speech? No, that falls right into my wheelhouse.

Okay. Motivational speech, that's right into my wheelhouse. Like, easy, peasy. Easy, peasy. And the price tag, when they put to it, made it even more easy to do. What was that, like, 10? Yeah. Okay.

It was like, I did two graduations that was like, yeah. And so I did it. Did you get a treat for that as well? I never got a treat. I never got a treat. But one of the things that we, that while we were there, every time that while we were there, we always have undercover agents with us, always. From the time that we got there, they were undercover what?

Agents. Oh, okay. Detectives, police officers, like. Oh, all right. Because we are in, like, don't mistake it, not, we're still in, we're in, we're in, we're in, we're in, uh, um, cartel country. Okay. Yeah, we're in cartel country. The last thing they want is the Cowboys that get missing in South Texas, right?

So we always have, and they would drive us around in the cars that they confiscated from different raids and stuff like that. So we're like big escalades with rims and all that kind of stuff, expeditions. And so you're just sitting there and everybody should go. you have an agent with you or a couple of them with you you just having a conversation so when I came back to speak at the graduation I had one of the same agents that we had when we were there doing the what you call it

now this when I came back the next time it was after Sam had gotten arrested and so the agent was like he's like yeah so like the last three or four charity events that you guys

had we set those up we set those up because we knew that we were they were trailing Sam because what it ended up happening was he he was cleaning money through a tire shop in Irving

the manager was there and I again when I first came here I needed new tires from my car they sent me there and I was driving a I was driving a BMW and the tires for that was like it should have been a couple thousand dollars I paid $100 I was like

oh, this cowboy thing is legit. The whole time the dude was working with Sam is like cleaning money through this establishment. And then the guy actually gets pulled over in Sam's car and they find $88,000 of cash. And the guy had like a little bit of weed, but it wasn't enough to be like, but the cops took it, took the money.

And Sam was like fighting for the money real hard. I was like, I'm buying my mom my house with this money. And they kind of like, I don't know what made them just tag on to this. But they did. And so they were surveillance. They were doing surveillance when we were coming down there and the only reason they let it happen as many times it did they were of course

collecting evidence but um in those type of situations he was telling me he said if we arrest sam we have to arrest all we all because we don't know who was connected so what we didn't want to do is we didn't want to arrest sam and arrest you guys and now you're in the paper and this stuff because you were arrested for this and now that messes up your chances of making this football team or whatever it is so they just let it go which if you know anything about you know anything about like investigations and a lot they let a lot of stuff go as they build the information um and so every time that we had came down there beforehand they were just watching us and you know sam would disappear for times but i thought you know so they were watching all you probably yeah yeah they

weren't sure who it was they weren't sure who it was so they would probably trail you as you went to whatever yeah yeah so like guys would like discipline but guys had treats in there so i'm thinking they just going to get a piece of their treat right and and so they all had like You'd meet a chick or something and hook up with her when you went down there. Yeah, not me. No, not you, not me. Okay. I couldn't be present for this filth.

Yeah, not me. Did you run away? But guys who did. So you didn't think nothing of it. And so that's what we thought. So you just think he's going to get some. And the whole time he's bringing money and bringing product back. But they'd follow him and see, oh, he's going here.

Why has he got a suitcase? case the whole time one of those other duffel bags were closed the other one so they watched them a couple times do those deals and then you say so you actually did a charity event or they didn't fake the whole this isn't like Nathan fielder we did the charity events okay but you said they set it up yeah they kept they kept setting up the charity events to bring us back wow like the whole charity event was fake was fake but they were there before us but they just continued to do more of them and made sure you And made sure that the guys The same cowboys, okay.

And so what ended up happening, well, not the same cowboys. So they ended up funding. So the DEA put a lot of money in your pocket? Yes. I guess. My tax dollars. Yeah.

Oh, they were like, hey, dentists, we know that you are doing stuff there. Dentists, you will now fund this. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, real estate broker, you're funding this one. And, you know, because we, and the thing was,

we always flew private. And I don't know if you guys ever flown private before. They're not checking your life. Ain't no TSA. Yeah. Not like that. No, no, no, no.

And so you just get on. It's great. And it's phenomenal. Right. It's absolutely great. And then you just get on these planes and the whole time, it's, again, you're not thinking,

and from Sam, you're not thinking it's from Sam. It is kind of, and I got a buddy who works for a pro team in another sport, but he's a writer too. and he's we've talked about you should write a thing about a guy who is like a if you want it's kind of a Sam heard thing I'm going to be honest

traveling all across the country I'm going with you they're not checking your luck yeah if you want it to if you were like a media guy for a team if you wanted to on a chartered flight every time that would be I'm not you could and you would condemn that in the strongest of terms but maybe you maybe like that angels guy might have been doing that right I'm telling you like... Aidenhardt or no. But it was their PR guy or something is traveling with the team

and all over the country. So like he's given drugs. Even when you go through TSA, like, you're on the tarmac, you know, half the time they're like... It's a half-ass check. It's like... Yeah. Like if, like you watch, like, I know I do.

I watch like National Geographic and they have like the, like, the guys like trying to import through the airport. Like if they wanted to, like to seal it in the suitcase and all that kind of stuff. They're not checking. They're like this. Right.

Go ahead. And Sam, like you mentioned it being him. Like, you know how you always hear about like people who use mules? They want to get like a mom and a minivan. Sam's like a very unassuming guy. And here's the thing. So quiet. Here is the, he, you would have, like, we were so caught off guard.

For what they said Sam was making. Because they're still like, when you read the report, they're like, there's money missing they're like we've been tracking him we know what he was doing and he's doing this off weed hence why they had to go to the like when he got busted with the cocaine because you couldn't get a big enough charge on weed yeah there's not a big enough you can't lock somebody up really for weed like that it's when i do a kilo this is the part where the the the FBI people messed up because sam said it in that moment yeah cool we'll do it but i don't want this now they're like, no, no, take it. He said, no, I don't want it.

You hear him in the audio talking about like, no, no, no, we'll meet again. Like, no, but here, you take it. And he's like, no, we'll meet again. I got you. I'm going to set some. We'll be some people. And so they forced him. Now we're over the line of. They were forcing him to take it until he finally was like, all right, cool. And he took it. And he walked out, and that's when they busted him. But he had denied it multiple times. And they just kept. And so his lawyer was like, yeah, that's not going to fly.

And so that kind of helped. So that's why they went. That's where they went. Because he wasn't dealing in cocaine. Sam was dealing in weed. And he was making what? He was making over a million dollars a month. For weed, yeah. Like, that's crazy. At that time, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And so, you know, for him to do that. And Sam was very unassuming. Like, he just, Sam never, he lived in a modest, at that time, $400,000 home. I mean, that's not abnormal for an NFL player. We're about to be interrupted because. Oh, pressure. When Shottie starts this.

I was just going to ask you if you still keep up with Raymond Felton. Yeah, that's my. We just celebrated 20 years in October. That's awesome. Yeah, 20 years. I was on a national championship basketball team at Carolina. So, yeah, so I just saw. Celebrate your 20 year.

I didn't know if he's dating Raymond Felton. No, I just think you just look at the roster. Sean May, just these blasts from the past. The only one that we don't talk to is Rajad. That's the only one. Well, thanks, Jesse, Holly. We've got to go carry Shaddy. All right, how large you got?

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I'm sorry. I'm glad you got unblocked from Jesse Holly. Me too. I would hate to not be able to see all his wisdom on Twitter. I don't know. But I wanted to get to some shoddy audio. Shoddyo. What?

Shodio, as they might say. This is mostly from post-coady. game rams and a little bit from or actually it's all post game rams one is just from the actual right after the game and then a lot of these are from yesterday's press conference where that's what he was still talking about because he came out here before practice yesterday and so one of the first questions when he got off that field Saturday evening excuse me was you know how was your first game. This is his first ever game as a head coach

of an NFL team. I think it went good, you know, through my first challenge flag ever. That was kind of cool. They told me that through a nice one. Why does it sound like he won a contest? Because he did. They're actually asking before, you know,

and he said he got emotional and talked with Jerry before the game and about their journeys to there. They let you throw a little flag, man. You all know that? And then I think that was actually a question about the mechanics of everything, you know, your game calling the game and actually being the head coach and all that. He's like, you guys know those headsets work? That's why I had in Seattle wasn't on.

I'm very, very concerned about his ability to actually call the game. And let's see. Okay, I'll save the best for last. But I think so this, he's talked, they got pretty much drilled, right? They gave up two. No, I don't think in those terms in the preseason. Okay. But they did not, I'll give you they didn't play well.

Okay, but if it was the other way around, he would be parading around here. Hey, you see how good we played? Perhaps. That's the culture. That's the culture. Are you saying shot it gets too high? You may be a guy who gets too high. Okay, but here's what we're saying.

So this is preseason game one. You know, no starters ever play anymore. Thank you. It's like second string players. barely play. And what do you think it's like in the fourth quarter? Like you're down to seeds and stems for sure. Yeah, let's get out of here. But he was talking about some of the things that were happening at the end of the game. You know, he was a little bit late with a snap or two in the red zone. It actually got loud down there in the red zone late in the game, so we had to go to silent

count. So is this a bad sign of things to come? If we are, I'm excuse, folks, but we're just saying it was pretty loud there. First of all, it's an L.A. Rams game. Okay? Dude, you know everybody. There's... It's Flambo.

Yeah. Philadelphia. The old bank. The Seattle. Maybe the Vikings play in that dome. We have to pipe in... You don't just come the fuck into Engleworth. But especially a fourth quarter of a game

that's already pretty much over. Yeah. Could I offer to you that he's... playing and referring to a guy who's like a wide-eyed rookie like come on he's coaching the team okay so he's talking about joe milton not that he had a no not that one he's now going to talk about joe milton he was uh and joe milton had kind of a rough start as you remember kind of uh threw some fast balls in there had trouble uh with accuracy you might say uh we've got it a little bit together later and the reason

he got it together later we find out it's the healing power of laughter I think you know he settled down and he found his rhythm and I kind of went over there and joke with him on a couple things in the second half and that you know talking to him it kind of settled him down

a little bit and I think that's part of the relationship and that's why you guys always ask about you know the relationship with me and Dak and you know so he started playing better after I talked to him they had a relationship so the dinners they went see you before and jerry's like what really another uh dinner at this five star steak out well i had to

because i got to build a relationship and you've now seen the linear you know the steps uh i built that relationship first and then i use that relationship i waited till the second half i i didn't want to tell them like after the first drive you might not have needed it you can't they went three and out you can't break out your your killer material right out of the gate you got to find out if you need it first. You've got to build. Yeah. What if we go three and out again?

What if we do it a few times, then I'll talk to him. PFF grades or like whatever, especially for the preseason. But it is funny. Like, yeah, they didn't play well. But at a team level, they were like way, way, way behind the 31st ranked team. It's one of those, the difference between how they played and the other worst team is like the difference between them and team 20. This has got to be one of the most poorly graded team-wide grades I've ever seen.

Did they grade relationship? They don't, that's the thing. Comradery? No. Because camaraderie should be on there. I know. TWTW. Right. Vives.

How are the vibes? Did you plug in your iPod for practice today? No, and I was never a fan of offspring. That's more of a Matt Grum thing. This is shoddy, right? Yes, definitely. Yeah. Shotty's an offspring guy.

If he said he had a funny story, would you think it was going to be funny? I think I'd like to hear it. Actually, I'll make fun of myself here for a second. I'm so self-deprecating. After the game was over, I did the team prayer. I called them up. I talked to the guys, and I decided I was going to do the team prayer because obviously my faith is really important to me.

Well, I went straight Ricky Bobby on him, and I actually cursed. Yeah. Pause for laughter. cursed. I think I asked God to help us in the red zone, said like, you know, damn, we left some opportunities out there. So I fired myself from doing the postgame prayer. I will not be doing that anymore. But we played the clip for the guys. I said, hey, let's talk about accountability because we got to address this. We got to get this fixed. And we played the whole clip of of Will Ferrell at the kitchen table doing the prayer where he's talking to baby Jesus and all

that stuff and I think everybody knew because I think Sam Williams was like afterwards he said to DAC he goes can you swear during the prayer so I have fired myself I will no longer be doing the post game chalked that one up that when you're that emotional and there's the ups and downs of a game you don't need to be the one talking to God so that's that's something that we good better how we after action report and we've got cleaned up so I got a lot so the joke didn't land so he then shows the team the clip of what he referenced so they got it right and he put that under the guise of accountability nothing worse than a guy who's just like you know me i'm very self-deprecating you can't grow up and get some depression get it real i don't want to hear this half-assed and then

play the last like 30 seconds of or the last 20 seconds of that one again maybe can you swear during the prayer so i have fired myself i will no longer be doing the post-game prayer chalk that one up that when you're that emotional and there's the ups and downs of a game, you don't need to be the one talking to God. I'm going to need you to coach the football team. I'm going to need you to keep a chill. I'm going to need you to have the steady hand. I got too emotional.

Listen. To do a prayer after the game. I respect your beliefs on God, whatever it is. But you're going to get some forgiveness there, okay? If you fuck up the prayer, he's going to understand. That's not how it's going to work in the game. You're going to need to be chill. And this is after the game.

I'm too emotional and too distraught. The Old Testament is all about warriors taking over in wars and taking land and God told me to do it. I think he's heard a curse word. I think so. And as I told you guys yesterday when we heard this live, I got tickled because my mom's dad, my countryside, he would get real fired up during prayers and pound the table and start cursing and stuff.

And I loved it. So this was not unfamiliar to me necessarily. It's weird to then be like, hey, I do this thing, and now I'm going to talk to you about how I do this thing, and here is why it's funny, and I will explain to you why it's funny. Hey, maybe that's why I have Faith tattooed right here on my forearm. That's great.

Well, no, I... There's other forum. The other one says Faith Family Football. This guy's a walking lakehouse sign. Yes. Who's about to go 19 and 0? No, you can't play both sides of this. Watch me.

So let's break it down, though, analytically. Why did they lose that game? Because... Hold on. Brian Schottenheimer is going to break it down analytically. I'm not asking you two. What do you know about football? I have another source.

You give me Brian. Okay, well, here's why they... Actually, they kind of almost won the game. Well, let me let Shottie explain. I did not like our discipline. you know the penalties with the offense six pre-snap penalties that wasn't great some of the sideline substitution wasn't very clean and then you know the thing I talked to the guys about is seizing momentum as you go through the preseason games when you know you obviously want to win

but it doesn't go against your record when you lose or if you win but you have to learn how to grab momentum and there was a couple opportunities in that second half where I felt like we had a chance to grab momentum and clearance we really didn't do it. So, you know, we turn the ball over and then is goes out there. He makes a great interception. We get the ball back. You know, we miss a deep cross, and we go three and out. Well, that's a lost opportunity for momentum.

Okay, so interception, then we didn't do anything on offense, so we could have had the momentum. So I thought the interception might have been momentum, but no. Well, it was too loud in there. Then on the other end of it, you know, we drive down the field, put together a nice drive, lay early in the fourth quarter, score a touchdown. and make it a 24 to 14 game, and the defense goes out there and allows a five or six play touchdown drive. Like momentum swings in the National Football League and in competitive sports is huge. And our guys need to understand how to maximize those opportunities because so much can be gained from swings and momentum and things like that.

So I thought the guys played really, really hard. They really did. They competed hard. Okay, let me do this. We can talk momentum, but I want to say something about this final statement, too. I thought the guys played really, really hard. They really did. They competed hard, you know, for 60 minutes.

All right, dude. This is a little bit like bragging about having 100% attendance at mandatory minicamp. We've already stated that you're playing, none of your top 30 players are playing, basically. So you're, this is the back of the right. roster of a lot of guys vying for just a few spots. Well, you know what? To credit them, though, they played hard. Of course they did.

How many minutes? Like, we just talked to Jesse. How many minutes? The full 60. They didn't give up. So with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter, the guy who thinks if I show on film, I'm going to actually get an NFL job and possibly can, you know, pay off all these bills. I have my car repoed.

Like, that guy still played hard. He didn't give up because they were down on the school. Wow. That must have been that dinner we had. All those free throws. That must have been the ping pong, the competition that we built up. Now we can back up into momentum if you want. So not seizing momentum, you know, we all know it's a real thing.

It's the most important thing. It was sitting right there, the momentum. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. I mean, I'm not some, he's not unique in this regard. So you don't understand momentum? Because I, well, let's teach you a little bit about momentum here. When you get a chance to seize momentum, man, you have to.

You know, like, I really think it would have been great to see, you know, if we hit flow on the deep cross, you know, after the interception, what that would have played out. I thought the defense was great at stepping up after the interception. You called. Of course. I like it. Flow.

It was great at stepping up after. the interception you call it sudden change okay we didn't though but that's what we call it uh we call it sudden i mean we didn't change we he didn't catch the ball but had we done that it was great at stepping up after the interception you call it sudden change um they got to go back out there and they get the ball back for you but um it's it's kind of a feel for the game it's the time of the game it's the situation of the game it's the score of the game it's all those things and um but i'll say this It's a very, very powerful thing when it comes to competitive sports and definitely football. Momentum is.

He is not unique in this regard. Every NFL head coach thinks that momentum exists and they overrate it because they're in the foxhole. And that's when people start believing things. No atheists in a foxhole. So I don't think, but at the same time, you know exactly what he's talking about when it comes to sudden change. It's the same concept as like a shutdown inning. there are moments in games. Oh, sure.

No, I'd like to try and... That's a big Parcell's thing, yeah. Yeah. We get an interception, and a lot of it is that... There's nothing worse than a first down run after a pick. It's like what Brandon Aubrey will say, though. When he missed his very first kick in the NFL, it was a quick change they didn't expect.

He's going out. He's not quite ready. I'm not in the... Oh, my gosh, I missed that kick. That wasn't his routine. And that's the point. The defense was kind of all sitting on their helmets. They're just watching the, oh, my God, I've got to get back out there.

The offense just gave up the ball. Let me see. Are we in the right plate? Do we have the right play? Oh, man, a bomb, you know, like that's. So when he thinks it would be great for us to make a play while they're frazzled. But it has nothing to do with this a more, yes. And I don't think, yes, I.

We have to actually make plays and be more consistent in making those plays. And especially there, that's kind of a second and one. We're going to take a shot. at that point you might think you might have a tiny slight advantage and that's what we're talking about here with the cowboys and the entire NFL is the point is that things are so even across the board that you're looking for any slight advantage here there and that's what really does concern me if we're just to actually talk about sports in this team you are looking for slight advantages everywhere and I might include that in my head coach. I'm looking for a guy that, like, right now, you are going to be dealing with year one of a head coach. And I don't know of any head coach, even all the greats,

who wouldn't say, boy, there's a learning curve, there's stuff you've got to figure out as you go. And what concerns me even more is that not only is he the head coach, you're going to call all the plays, too, because it's enough to try and be a C. CEO head coach. Okay, so I, but now you're also taken, and I think the most damning thing is the search and the process by which he was hired.

We're all about like, let's just look at the process, sometimes not just the results. Is that the question? I can explain some of the results, and we can talk about, like, what I think he can do well, why he's okay for this job, but the process was such a disaster that I almost can't give him a pass. They're not doing what normal teams do and conducting a full coaching search. Most of them do it to a degree that's insane Like they pay millions of dollars to these search firms

To produce all of these names I'm not saying that's the way But there's something in between If nothing else There's a couple of listeners that pointed this out to me I think a couple of them worked in football That were like you just interview people To find out what's going on in the league

You don't think everybody wanted to pick Ben freaking Johnson's brain They knew they couldn't hire him But that's what you do You start interviewing around the way they want to do it is they want somebody in the family. They want somebody that they can put on Lake Como in a white linen shirt for vacation time, and it looked like we're all part of the family here.

And McCarthy wasn't necessarily that, and I think it cost him. I think McCarthy didn't want to be the family. And so the search process, the hiring process was bad. So it's very tough to be happy with the results. What I would say, though, is what sucks? about him also kind of makes him unique for this job and okay for it he's been around forever now he's not good enough to in a normal circumstance have earned a head coaching job but all the stuff you have to do to be a head coach and the stuff that like cliff kingsbury got hired and was like

holy shit that won't happen to him it can't he knows the job he's basically been an assistant head coach this whole time because on an ex as a nose front Nobody was running to beat down his door to hire him. That doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do the executive stuff. I think he can do that. Now, when it comes to the actual offense and running the offense, calling the plays, certainly I have a concern. I would just offer to you that the only thing DAC has left that is elite is his pre-snap

diagnosis. I still think he's one of the best at it. They kept shoddy because they're putting this all on DAG. There's no chance after this is done that Jerry will be. like shoddy screwed deck like we just didn't have the right guy they're putting this on deck he is the offense he runs the offense i think he's basically calling the plays and they're saying we're gonna pay him that much 60 million dollars you figure it out right we went and got you george pickens uh shoddy is just that i it's an insult but he's a guy and he's here as a guy to keep

things moving it's on deck well it's a big question as to whether deck is is able to take that on. Like, there's a couple of quarterbacks in the NFL, you would say. Like, if, you know, when Peyton Manning went from the Colts to the Broncos, all of a sudden, like, he's running practice. And I don't know that that's happening here with Dak. Okay, maybe not to the Peyton Manning level, but I am, I do think that smart people, you guys can hate the guy all you want.

I know his legs are busted. I watched him run on Blake's Madden game the other day, and I was like, this game is super realistic. But I still think that he's at the stage where Romo was talking about, like I have all the answers to the test. This has slowed down for me. Like, the guy is a wizard at this point.

He really is. You don't have to believe it, but I think he's got that part of it down better than most in the NFL. So I'm telling you, that because DAC is this way, Jerry is this way. When the staff gets raided because they won so much. Yeah, I don't think, I don't necessarily think that's going to happen.

But I think they're in a good spot where the offense is not going to die because they have a guy who hasn't called offense successfully before. DAC is the O.C. But when McCarthy came in, everyone is criticizing, like, his use of timeouts or his game management. I think it's a lot for a first-year head coach to be calling plays and doing all of that. for his first go. So that might be overwhelming. That's where they start mentioning this Ryan, dude.

And I don't know how much the role is. I put in for him. I don't think they're going to let us talk to him, but they've got a guy. And I was just talking to another guy with the team, and they were like, this guy is brilliant. When he gets up and talks in front of the team, they listen.

And he's a dude who's about my age, in between my age and Blake's age, and he's in shot his ear every play. And he's like the game management guy. but his dad was not a legendary NFL coach so that's why he's the game management guy yeah and I mean listen there's also this like I'm theory if you've heard of this guy's last name he might be the head coach it's also possible but I need you like there's a middle ground from what you're doing here shoddy did play quarterback for Steve spurrier like

he transferred to Florida because he loved ball and was like hey I'm at a team who runs the ball. I'm not good enough to play. I need to go learn the future of offense by being a third string at Florida. Okay. So maybe you know, you're getting looks because Marty's your dad, but

like, there is some desire and quest to learn football in there that we have to give him credit. He played in college. It's not like this dude didn't. You know what I mean? The game management guy that explained. Like he was on a team in college. He was a quarterback.

It is more than some. You would just like to see some kind of success as a coordinator or a position coach. It's tough for me to rebut that. But it's a great experience. Look, and I also couple some of this with I just watched a lot of clips of Jerry at the red carpet thing last night. And they'll be asking him about this year's team. and he just slides into waxing nostalgic. It feels to me like he is taking his victory tour.

Look at all I've done. I built the most this franchise. Look where it was when I got it, and look where it is now. And many fans frame that as, yeah, 30 years of faith. He frames it as, look, look at where we are. Look at what I've done. Look at my stadium. Like, I'm in the NFL Hall of Fame.

and I'm not going to spend my last year or two by hiring Belichick who's going to turn it all upside down or by hiring this other, you know, who'd you mention admittedly, Ben Johnson to all of a sudden come in with his idea. I need it. We're kind of here and doing this now. And that's all. And I feel like Jerry's going to be fine when they get bounced again. And even if they don't make the playoffs, everything's going to be fine. I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right. But I think that this team feels different than the other teams to me. And I'm not saying it's going to be

better, but we can watch practice today. It's different. And they have a second wide receiver. And if I tell you those two things over and over, I think that I don't care about what Jerry said. Over and over. Yeah. I mean, I don't care what Jerry's doing, what

victory lap he's taking. I think they have this. A quarterback who's good enough to win if their offensive line is like a B level. So The last time they drafted three offensive linemen in the first round out of four years, they got an A. If they get a B or a B minus collectively out of this group, while DAC is still good enough to play, at this. You know, Romo, if his body would have held up, could have kept playing at once he got to this point. If you can keep them upright, you keep the weapons where they are, CD's going to be here.

Pickens is probably gone after a year, but you figure that out. You have an elite pass rusher that you only keep adding to. They might have the best pass rush unit in the NFL this year. And if you have the best pass rush unit and you have the best wide receivers are arguable, then you can get ahead and you can play the way that this team is built. But this is not Kellynne Moore's offense. We don't know. That's a thing.

We don't know. Because it was a pain to watch this offense last year. It's the same O.C. It's the same guy. But part of the reason that it was a pain to watch last year also was because CD was getting shaded every snap. And just the mere presence of a second threat does change the way that you call offense a little bit. And I think whatever last year was, was weird. Dack was out for part of the year.

They sucked before that. And I think every year you're going to say Dack was out for part of the year. And that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, but there was a lot of run to the sticks and turn around. Let's run on first down. It was a boring offense. It was boring to watch.

You can go back and pull up the game streams and see how frustrated I would get. So it can't be more boring. Do you want to do some news and stuff? Yes, sure. It'll be brought to us. Don't forget. Like, this whole show has been. flooring direct

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you know buzzing in the entertainment space last night we had about three or four hours together of TV time. And for me, you've got to go straight to the local news. And there are like six local news stations out here.

You got your big four, then you got a couple like off the beaten path ones. And they do a lot of news. You're more 27 of... Yeah. Yeah. They do like four, four o'clock, five o'clock, six o'clock, seven o'clock. And the news out here, pretty lit. There's a lot going on.

It's a big area. and what we noticed yesterday was like whatever's happening nationwide is happening here so the ice raids are like way more out here than they are at home the protest for immigration way more here than they are at home like Matt was like they don't do this stuff on our local news they start with like

this story over in this neighborhood but in L.A. you're going to get like bigger stories it's like the crucible of whatever's going on in the country But you also get stuff, like this little girl who was attacked by a mountain lion or a cougar, rather, in Malibu in her front yard. A little girl? Yeah, 11-year-old. Attacked by an old lady? Yeah, especially up there in Malibu.

You know they're everywhere, dude. Oh, yeah, they're hot. Spending their husband's money. Yeah, so this is the story they started with last night. And the girl, so this is in Malibu, which in my mind, there's no cheap houses in Malibu. Has the music ever been this loud? It's a new era, Dan. Do you guys ever remember seriously, though?

No, no. No, but I'm serious, too. It's shoddy. Okay. But that's coming from the weight room, isn't it? Oh, no, no, no. It's right out there. It's on the practice field.

That's practice field. The girl was out near the family's chicken coop. That's odd. So what I feel like we have here is some suburban, not suburban, but, you know, some cosplay farmer. We've talked about these people. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, Mountain Lion attacked her.

Trying to feed the chickens. Biting her arm, leg, lower back. Neighbors hear the screams. That's when the mother line, uh, mountain lion proceeded to chase the mom and sibling. It was funny listening to the, the guy who does the news on KLTA out here is straight up Ron Burgundy. His face looks fake, his hair is like, he's very stiff,

and he kind of moves like this. Cut out of central casting. A hundred percent. L.A. Anchors. Central casting, and he's like, of course, the mountain lion was mutinized. Oh, yeah. We got to see the update on yesterday's story. As of last night, they hadn't caught the tanker, the tanker thieves.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, nothing. But yeah, it was a legit, massive, massive oil tanker. And hot's all over the place, right? Oh, my God, dude. And, like, the weather that we switched over to it won, And I was like, this lady doesn't know.

I'm sorry. There's just no way this lady knows the weather. But had a giant ass. She did. So the report that Blake was talking about earlier, and if you saw this word, S-I-K-H, and you were thinking of, like, the religion, what would you say, Dan? Seek.

Yes. Well, the guy in L.A., you know, a top-two market, who's supposed to be all cultured and multi-blah, blah, blah, blah. And I don't know. He went with sick. Sick. A sick community. People in the sick community are outraged.

Sickism. No. So a 70-year-old man in North Hollywood was attacked by a homeless guy with a golf club and beaten badly. Barely survived the attack. Three surgeries. How does a homeless guy get a golf club? Probably has a Blake. Like, bro, I got a tea time here.

What are you going to pay for? I was kind of disappointed, maybe it's in the story. I kind of wanted to know which golf club. Because I think if you're beat to death with a pitching wedge, that's kind of lame. Yeah. Do you think a putter would be good? It has to be an iron. Well, putter is pretty blunt.

Yeah. But I mean, if you're hitting me with an attack wedge, that's lame. Hit me with a five iron. I think like a four, yeah. By the way, yeah. So that was, what did Shottie say the other night? Just too much wind resistance with a nine. Wasn't Shottie's line that they were playing with a seven iron the whole game?

He said that? I think so. And then I saw this on Twitter from Terrence Parsons Jr. I see he's... And after the game, he said, Shottie literally told y'all the play calling was going to be very Manila. So it's up to you to decide. He is on a heater.

He has been active. During the game Saturday night, he was like, Joe's fucking ass. Get him out of here. was he really oh my god dude he's like this end has no touch gonna throw the ball through a wall see that's where this thing if you want to just be a total shill for the team that's okay right yeah if you're a relative of a player

don't be throwing a firebom in there that your your brother might have to contend with only thing i'm giving grace is joe hand might be fucked up this is horrid why does he be messed up Because remember, he had a busted thumb from, like, two practices ago. So give him credit, though, for, you know, I don't know. Do you want to read this one? I don't know about Jesse Holly's work, but Jesse claims to, I'll say whatever, you know, and all that.

He will. He will. Give Terrence Parsons credit. He's not just a mouthpiece for the team. Where are we? I don't think I should read that. This N, Joe, got one speed. God damn N.

Put touch on that shit. I shouldn't have laughed over that. It's kind of right, right? Yeah, we were, and not those words, but sort of others were thinking it. By the way. Anyways, this guy got beat up, and here's the thing about being Sikh, because people think you're Muslim, and then they attack you, and you're like, this sucks.

It also sucks to be attacked if you're Muslim, but they say that out here, the Sikh community, a lot of mistaken beatings. They get beaten? Yes. But like, hey, I'm not Muslim. Like, that they find out in arresting. and doing the affidavit and everything

that the attacker assailant thought this was a Muslim. Our education system is tough profiling. Switches us around there. But speaking of the N-word, I thought you were going to debut this story, but did you see

our friend Noah? Yeah. Yeah. I did. So Noah Konega. Is it Michigan State? Oh, no. Is he in the Mac?

It's like a D-3. Okay. I thought it was a Mac team or something. Anyway, he's the guy, whatever, Noah Naysay. Oh, Eastern Michigan is. Eastern Michigan, Mac. So he has a line of hats coming out. He does.

With his name on the hat really big. Noah? His last name. Yeah. It begins with a K and ends with an A. And I love wearing hats. I looked at that and was like, I'm not going to buy it for him. No, please don't.

Unless it's a big hat. I feel like he's a white guy. And he can't, he's selling, white people can't wear that hat. And this is yet another thing where the white man is being kept down in America, man. I know. They're taking everything from me. Now I can't wear hats. You can't wear a hat with a veiled slur on it.

It's not a veiled slur. It's my favorite player's name. So another thing that we were dealing with... Go Chippewas. There you go, you got it. Are they Chippewas? No. I assumed you would know.

That's central. Damn. That's pretty good, though, that I... What are they? They're just a green... Eagles? The white E. What are they?

It's pretty boring. The other thing that they have a major problem with out here, same sort of deal. We have this problem at home. I just said that. But here it's on steroids. Because people at home are trying to do what people out here do. And I'm talking about...

street takeovers. Oh. We were watching a video. Yes. We were watching a video last night because they were, they're having this big crackdown. Like the district attorney's up there talking her shit. And they're like, if you even post about this on social media, it is a crime. If you promote this on social media, it is a crime.

And you're thinking like, okay, where are they doing it? They're in front of crypto. Like a thousand, two thousand people. The arena. Yes, like right in front of Crypto Arena, 15 cars just letting it drift. Had a couple people died last year. Like you're thinking this is a secret? What bridge are they hiding under?

Yeah, it's just right there. And like, I'm sure people love to hear a lefty say this, but I'm like, there's got, the police can do nothing about that. Like we have all this like military gear, police gear, riot gear, like just drive one of the big songs. bitches out there and say, like, game's over. You know what they need? Get a cyber tank. The Rock.

Somebody that these racers respect. He's around. He should be. What if he sent Dom out there? That actually would be kind of funny. Or, Steve and Segal. Guys, settle with that. The safety is...

Hey, bro. Don't you stop racing, man. He's sitting down. Is he still alive? Yeah. Real fat, right? Yeah, yeah. Real fat.

Then he oscillates between being black and Asian as he's got older. And then the final story that I wanted to give you guys, I have no local news. Well, this is local. Yeah. Our last national story. All I know is it's hot. God bless, will they not shut up about it? I know.

Every time I call home, I'm like, I'm wearing a jacket and I'm freezing. I get it. My wife gets all mad at me. No. I'm like, if you're that hot. Once you fire that top off, those things look restricted in there, and she refuses to do that, at least for me. So did you know that AOL still offered dial-up service?

This is like the story of the last payphone. Really? AOL as of today, or as of this week, is stopping dial-up service. Oh. Which, I don't know that there would ever be like a utility to bring it back, but when we talked about pay phones recently, we were told, like, They are coming back. The generation of people that are like,

oh, I want to get away from my phone, hipstery, that this is actually a thing. Pay phones? Yes, that in some small or in some, like, you know, artsy, whatever, like, that people are like, we're getting away from the phone. Wonder if landlines. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Whereas, like, with dial-up internet, there's nothing cool about it. There's no, it's just slower. You're getting the same internet. You don't like to hear the... Dooebe, beep, boop. I like hearing it, but it's not worth it. Don't you want to see your porn load line by line?

Who were we at yesterday that I said they had a dot matrix? Oh, is the Avis counter at the Bob Hope Airport. So we flew into this airport that seems like it's 1965. Or like it just feels really old. It feels old Hollywood. And yes, at the counter. at the Avis counter it took like two minutes

to print out my receipt thing because it was like zzz, zh, zh, and then he had to peel the sides off of each. A little triplicate. Is that called dot matrix? It sounds like,

hello? What it would be called? There's your news. You saw that I didn't have the audio. I did kind of like this. Like you put your disc in? 30 hours, Did you do you know disc?

First internet you guys ever saw? First what? First internet you ever saw? What do you mean internet I saw? For me it was prodigy. My neighbor had prodigy. She worked at a school. And she would allow me to come over and look up the stats for the 1995-96 Dallas-Stars.

That story didn't go anywhere. What's next? I don't remember. Yeah, first time you ever saw Internet. ...in history. So this is what I was telling you, I hate. What, rap? No, whatever, the current...

I can't. I can't do it. Mumble rap? Yeah, that's what we call it. It sucks now. Like, we're walking in. You guys are old men now. We're walking into it.

We're like a Meg the Staliant song, and I'm like, okay, at least she's rapping. I can deal with this. It's sad to see you guys do this. I like the production. Oh, I want to start off with a couple of viewer mail birthdays. So get off of my ass. Tuesday, August 12th.

From Lauren, who says hi, please shout out my friend Jordan Settlemeyer. Ooh, I know him. Tomorrow, August 12th, for his birthday, he is a big, dumb, fan okay yeah he's uh he's uh he's uh like in the home building or something space because when i was bitching about how much i had to pay for my short-term rental he's like well how do you think i'll cover the bills for the entire year it's not rented up it's like yeah i know plus he's got a hot name jordan oh i think he is verifiably hot yeah yeah uh let's see happy birthday pal one more from dan he says what's up my big big

phase of tornadoes that's not even true. I've been thinking about that non-stop. I'm turning Cab Shack this year. I'll listen to you all every day during my drive times. Dan is my leader because us Dan's have to stick together. But he also adds the most intricate dynamic to the show. Take that, Blake. Yeah, I agree with you.

They know I'm not even in the competition, in the conversation. Pro bono idea. idea. Jake's annual sobriety softball tournament brought to us by Tito's. Is that the sponsor that bailed? Let me know. The teams are obvious. The Behive versus the Dendobbers. I know for a fact that D.F would buy tickets to watch Blake in his true element as well as Jared Sandler run a dumb zone dot race. As a GI nurse, I send a PSA to the DZ Boys and D.F. Schedule your colonoscopies. Age 45 is the new standard. Okay, geez.

So he basically says, keep the taserone high. The what? From Dan... Ciceroon. Tycessaron. Okay. From Dan Fancher, who says, P.S., does Dan know what a Bussy is? Yeah, do you?

I thought... Well, I was thinking he meant Bussy. That's the same thing. So it's like a brown pussy. No. Bussy. More of a boy pussy Ugh

Is it really? Yeah What's a boy pussy? Is it when I tuck it? Have we all tucked it? Turn that... Can we just be honest? As a kid ever, have you tucked it and looked in the mirror?

Been like, what would I look like as a girl? Yeah, of course. I have not. Gay. Can't believe he said he did it. I know. Sucked him in. It's a boy pussy.

What are idiots? Oh, where was I? I don't know. Let's do some On This Day. I'm trying to find that turpin. Everybody Buy it in, Cliff. Ed by buying in. Because I got a Jameson version of it.

What, the song? No. Oh. I don't think it's a song. Because Jameson made us a song. I know. Anyway, today's Tuesday, August 12th. I've already said that.

Taco Tuesday. Not for us. Why not? Not. I can probably make it to sushi. Sushi opens late. Sushi night. Okay. They don't open until 5.

I will not be there. Why? Because I'm going to eat something else. Unless they, do they serve, like, real food? Yes, sushi. No, but like real... Why do you hate sushi? I don't hate it.

And maybe I'll go with you guys just to have fellowship. Are you going to Popeyes again? You don't want to sit and eat with us? I eat your dumb little oysters the other night. It was for the beach. We're in downtown Ventura This is awesome sushi I don't know, man

You can watch the guy Make all other rolls It's wonderful You've sold me They have edamame You've lost me Why the fuck would anybody offer They have edamome ever

They have vegetables It's got salt and garlic on it I'll go eat you guys Woke food All right Tuesday, August 12th on this day in 1985, the world's single-worst, or the worst single aircraft disaster. So it's a single aircraft.

As a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 crashed into a mountain, killing 520 people, four people survived. You'll take that. I would absolutely take that. That's great. I mean, what's, you said 220-something? 520. Oh, you're well in the range, yeah.

Yeah. Four survived? Yeah. On this day in 1994, baseball players went on strike, and that would end up canceling the World Series that year that the Cleveland Indians would have definitely won.

Take a look at all the... You did this last year, and they were 500. They were absolutely the best team in baseball at the time. They were hot. The boys were hot. Best team in baseball. the time probably would have won the world series the strike didn't end until the following year 1995 that's the year that i was on i started the year on the cleveland indians ground crew

and i uh it snowed so they had a game with replacement players an actual game in jacobsfield and i was on the grounds crew for that game got free t-shirt free uh free uh you know, Indians tennis shoes. It was great. It was like my dream. But it snowed, and we had to, like, clear the field of snow. That was very difficult to do. And then I ended up getting a job, like a better job at my radio station

that would have me be in the board up for the afternoon drive show. And so I had to quit the grounds crew because, you know, you had to be at the stadium, really. You could have been, like, the chief. I could have. Could have been the chief. Yeah, they were a game back in the division. There you go. Let's listen a little bit.

And what? Yeah, it's just me. Man, you know, I love to compete when anybody know, with my side, you know, that's what I've been in my heartkey. You know, I'm all the smallest guy on the field. So, you know, that's all with me is compete. So. Okay, yeah.

Let's just keep popping him in a case. What are you looking at the stats there? I want to see their last five games before the... They had won three out of four. Ah, see? Pretty much like a... One three and four. You know, you say four out of six?

You know, just be coachable, you know. I don't know, how far. How far back do you want to go? Would they come out like seven and two? Something? Yeah, well, six and one. Dan thought they were going to win. Didn't Albert Bell have like 50 home runs at the time?

Like, they were just rolling, dude. We have these websites. Boy, did you think that was, like, one day? See, what you guys don't understand is the momentum that they had they? Yeah, yeah. Like, I felt it. 36. I was living it.

I just said, hey, about it behind in. What do you have 30? 36. Jim Tomey with 20. My homie. Manny Ramirez, Kenny Lofton. Okay, this was a good team.

What was he here again? Friken Bayerga? Was he on that team? 94. Sandy El-M.R. It was a great team. Eddie Murray. They got Eddie Murray batting ninth.

He's a three-time winner of a golden glove. Do you remember that commercial? Dennis Martinez, El Presente, Jack Morris. Dude, this is the only team I played with on video games. Ken Griffey, because all of them had Indian name. Jose Mesa, what did he have, 80 saves that year? Move on. Oh, two.

I just say, here about a bind in. You know, everybody about a living with Shawhammer going, though. I'm the one supposed to move on. Hold on. Hold on. I just think everyone to buy in and everybody, everybody on that, everybody on 55, 55, and 55, and 55, you're going for 55, 6.

Everybody buying 8, her, but a bad at every little shot at a 65. Is that now what you guys here, too? James Seinfos. Yeah, he's an auctioneer. Yeah, but de bradda, I just think, everybody, I just think, everybody about ain't a shot. This day in 2021, the White Sox beat the Yankees 98. It was the first ever Field of Dreams game in the cornfield in Iowa.

It was actually awesome. Tim. Biaka Batuka. No. There's Brandon Aubrey. White Sox outfielder. Yay. Tim.

Tim. And he looks great. He does look great. Kenny Lofton had stolen 60 bases in that short and season. No, I've lost him. There you go, bro. That's a lot more interesting that auction. A seven war.

A bullshit that he's saying. And on this day in Dumb Zone history. I just wanted to play you some fun audio. This day in Dumb Zone history. Tim Anderson. Oh, yeah. Two run ended it. I was going to look up his splits before and after he got punched.

Oh, yeah. He's not been good since. In 2021, Jake approached the show because he didn't know whether to close this person's car door or not that they left open. That's an interesting one. Wait, he did what? He came, I think he was walking through a parking lot and there was a car door just opened that somebody had forgotten to close.

And I think he closed it. Ooh, what if... Cars locked. What if the baby was in there? Right. I always leave the baby in there with the door open. It's okay. I turn the heat up first.

Make sure. On this day in 2022 is when we're guessing, I guess, of what the rich elite eat, and Dan guest stew. That was like the hardest I've laughed at you in a long time. Oh, you know, they just sit up there and their ivory towers, eating beans and

old meat and broth. It's like universally, they're like, here's what we can feed poor people for sustenance. Not crab legs, not it's like my dream. If I can get Rich enough to have to do. God, if I could just get a whole thing a gruel, I'd be made.

Porridge. They'd eat for breakfast. And then, Dan said he used to listen to Fast Times at Ridgemont High in his car. That's actually, you know, it seems weird for its time, but I think that's just a forward thinker. Because, like... Like, you were that obsessed with it? Well, I wasn't allowed to see it. I was too young when it came out, but it looked like the greatest movie ever.

And then back then, back in my day, kids, I still, like, my mom wouldn't let me get it on a VCR or anything. I don't even know. Because you would just fast forward to Phoebe Kates? Well, I don't know. I wasn't allowed to watch the real version. I was just too young. And so they put it on TV after like a year. But they had all the bad words cut out and, you know.

And so I set up my tape recorder in front of the TV. and I left the house so that there would be no outside noise and I recorded it and then yeah we would drive around once you know listening to the you know the movie

it was great I did this with D2 so I know all the lines I did this with D2 for a family road trip you just listen to the movie well yeah because they didn't have you know it was not like it was a portable whatever so I'm like yeah just listen to the whole thing

this is a very old man story i realized it's like oh we just had like a horn on my ears it is so sad what dinner turns into now in like five minutes it's like interest rates or like oh you guys are talking about the

oh my god yeah my knee my hip bone on bone i was thinking that someday because when i go out with my mom and rose they talk about so-and-so who died or so like their news is always a few Yeah.

And so that'll be in your wheelhouse someday. Anyways, what else happened? Oh, look at this. Your horn was coming. I was trying to get in front of it. Today's... What? We're about to get out there.

We got five minutes. Let's do it. Punts. You want us to wash punts. Brandon Aubrey. I wonder if you just ran to pee. Like he ran off the practice field. Yeah, probably.

Like, a Dallas Cowboy came over during practice to talk to us. So get out here and watch. Watch me, come check out this cool stuff I'm about to football. He's an all-pro. I want to go. All right, today's birthdays, celebrity birthdays. Hey, is Henry joining us at the end? Yeah, he is.

Oh, Henry's already there? Oh, he can wait, Clayton. I haven't been modem for my stuff and I haven't received it yet. It's here. Former. Former Stars coach Glenn Gulletson is 54. Catch these hands. Current Stars head coach Glenn Gulletson is 54.

He may be great, but... You still think you could? Yes. Yes. I don't think, I mean, I don't have, like, the burning desire to punch him, like, other fights I've issued challenges for, but no, I think... You want to fight Glenn Gulletson? That was my bit back when I was the Stars board off. I would...

Because when they hired him, I would just talk shit to Bob. Like, there's no way. This guy sucks. Look at him. Oh, you didn't even know anything about him now? No, but I knew he was like a minor league coach. Like, they were, Dallas Stars, and they were hiring this guy, and I'm like, come on, dude. Like, what are we doing here?

And then I would, I had to listen to his press conferences every game, and I would listen to him talk and think, I can handle this. And look what happened. He was fired quickly. Yeah, but then hired again. Possibly good now. Former Maverick Antoine Walker is 49. God, man. Lost like 10 mil in a night to Jordan or something.

Chris Middleton is 34. Another Chris with the K. Aggie. Aggie, four-year Aggie. Plaxville Burris is 48. Cheddar Bob. Yep. Pete Sampras, 54.

Do you have any casements? Aren't he just... Pete Sampras? I think he's just really boring. I know Agassie. Tyson Fury, 37. He would masturbate a lot. And why do you say K-SPIN?

Just lean into it. I feel like to say my own name. And people say K-pop. I like that. Actor or actress. Can we just say actress? You can. I won't.

Yeah, bring it back. It's just odd. The AP style has changed to actor. But I'm watching the Academy Awards, and they had the Best Actor Award, and it was only dudes up for it. But they'll do an actress award. It is a bit of trickery.

Actress Yvette Nicole Brown is... Oh, it doesn't say her age. Darn it? Well, she's a... I don't know if it is. She's a bad bit. She's on community. Mark Knopfler...

From Dyer Straits is 76. She's not funny. Believe me. Until you watch the entire community series, then you can have an opinion. I don't think I'll ever be able to form that opinion. Musician Pat Mathini is 71. Bassist?

Pat Mathie? For some reason, I've heard of that name a lot. Maybe he was like a Cleveland guy? Or more local to Ohio? I don't know. Do you know who he is? I've heard the name, songwriter. Rapper, am I allowed to do rappers?

You're not doing any one. No, no, no. I wanted you to stop. Sir Mixelot is 62. I wanted you to stop doing that, so I said I would do it. because I wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do the guy that enjoys large behinds? No.

He's part of the problem. He's with you. Like somewhere America, like all these fat ladies convinced you that you should like big butts. Like back in my day, we liked them anorexic. We wanted you to have an eating disorder. That's tired. And then we might look at you. Yeah.

That's tired. But also get fake boobs because we don't like it to be skis. any up there. Right. The wired view is real men for eons, centuries have been looking for women that could handle it. And that means handle them and handle

a baby in there. Like good birthing hips? Yeah. And what? Well, go to Amish country then. A man. I'm not looking to play this on easy mode. Give me something to work with. Michael Ian Black is 54. He had a moment, but kind of faded?

Was it just that if you were like a comedy central lib you kind of got phased out because like he really in retrospect was annoying you know what I mean yeah Casey Affleck is 50 man I love him I think he's gotten in a lot of accusation and allegation stuff but dare I say a better actor than his brother you know uh Manchester by the sea great movie I believe Jorts had a hand in every bit of that score. Oh, nice. Grammy nominated.

A Grammy-Oskar-nominated movie. And I have our Dumb Zone birthday of the day. I don't think that there's any chance that Henry would duplicate it, so I'll let Henry go. Here, we now check in with intern Henry, who is back in Texas, wearing a bucket hat. Henri! A-D-D-D-A-D-D-A-Jure. Even though I'm not at camp, I thought I could replicate the vibe here. I like it.

I love it, actually. Fuck it. And he's got his intern Henry birthday of the day. All right. So today, I have the exact opposite of me, and that's Wide Neck. He's 38. Are you all familiar with him? No.

You know, like, look up damn wide neck. He's the other guy, you know, there was the... a long neck kid in like 2016. Yeah. Okay. So is there an original wide neck photo? Yes.

He's got 884,000 followers on Instagram. Because he kind of looks funny. That's a great bid. All right. That is a huge neck. What does he do? Just takes pictures for people?

Yeah, social media pretty much. He just goes around. does, you know, different stunts and I guess not stunts. All with the wide neck. Look, he's now, look, he's eating ice cream now. Here's one it says the world's widest neck getting adjusted.

He's got a deal from a chiropract. Okay, cool. And the vapes are delivered. Yes, I'm not sure exactly when they should be there, but the dude at UPS said, through hell or high water, unless some act of God happens, it's going to be there tomorrow. Yeah, and this is, I'm glad. I wanted him to get this skill, because when I worked for my family's business, this is why I was

telling yesterday, I was like, I'll just get my mom to do it. We would do UPS multiple times a day, whether at the house, going to the store, or them at the business. So I was going in and out of a UPS store twice a day for five years. And I think people need to know how to do this, ship things. This is not an experience Henry had ever had. I've done it before. Okay, well, there's a lot.

Maybe it was because it was the vape, but there was a lot of questions. I'm like, so what do I tell them? Like, what do I do? I'm like, buy a box, put it in there, put candit to them, and that's it. And when they asked me, I couldn't say toiletries, Jake, like, because they were going to check it. And I was just like, show up, I was like, I got two vapes for my boss in California. his wife wouldn't get him for him his mom's not going to get him for him I'm doing to give the whole history no but I like that he did I like that he did I had to convey

that this was important yeah I like it that's if you went to send to get him the rice he'd be like get this rice it matters to yeah but he wouldn't do it like he didn't do this well the vapes are here okay and he got it done eventually he got it done well that's a great birthday but he tried to order him online and get it mailed to you that's the learning process I couldn't do that. Yes. That is you tweeting Dax Camp Stats, two for five. He did not initially understand that I could just order them online.

We got to that point. Hey, we go to drinkmoxie.com and send us some, uh, anyway. So I found Wide Neck's Instagram, which is just at damn Wide Neck. Yeah. Here he is at a celebrity basketball game put on by Tennessee Titans running back Chris Johnson, and he's pictured with Floyd Mayweather. So with the Celebrity Basketball game, you have Floyd Mayweather and wide-neck.

That's a good birthday. So our Dumb Zone birthday of the day. Bye Henry. Let's see if Henry knows who this is. He could hang out. All right. I'll stick around. Oh.

Ah, he got time today. He made a little Henry show. So, uh, oh, yeah, brother. Clayton just dumped him Clayton hates him No Clayton does hate you Actor Lakeith Stanfield

Dude you know what happened to him It's 34 Do you know who that is? Let me look Not off the top of my head That's what I want to know I don't want to know if you could search him So I saw a tweet the other day

That was like Movies You know somebody will be like We used to be a proper country He's like the meme format Yeah Or this used to have It was just movies

used to have lekeith stanfield in him and i was like damn you know what they did he was in like five movies in two years yeah and i checked the replies and somebody was like look into it he got like life coach guru spiritual like a lady runs his shit now and there were a bunch of people in the replies a bunch of people in the replies were like oh yeah i work for this studio or i'm where this agency you can't work with him anymore this lady was on set every day she's his life coach not just an agent not just a manager and he can't he just doesn't work anymore and dude for a minute he was like the guy on the of coming up you know and he's the coolest dude he's the coolest emf her i love him he's also a rapper

dude who's apparently he's a rap mumbler or that's what that's what that's what that's what his IMDB says. He knows Florida, man. You know that. Born on this day now dead. Clara Hitler, the mother of Adolf. That's such a sweet name. Is she feeling like, oh, God, man, I don't think I did well. I don't think I did a good job. She's just like. Should have brush fed him. No, I'm more of a more of a nature type. I don't think the nurture really. Yeah, yeah. What could I do? And we're going to see, we're going to quiz intern Henry on this guy. He's Erwin Schrodinger, a physicist, who I think had some kind of a theory on it called Schrodinger's cat. Maybe the gun. You're familiar with it?

Schrodinger's cat, Henry. Give me anything you know on Schrodinger's cat. Stop searching. No, then I'm not going to get anything for you, Schrodinger's cat? That's not a Henry question. What do you mean? A Henry question is like, who was Bob Lilly or maybe even who was Alvin Harper? But 95% of the population's not going to get this.

Doesn't have something to do with the cat in the box? It's a narrative thing, right? Like a device and narrative, like if you... So you knew? Yeah. Kind of, and I know kind of. Yeah. I think I probably had heard of it and had it fully explain. point to me.

Okay, five, Clayton knows it, averse everything, but I'm saying we all had heard of it. The point is, intern Henry is sheltered. He doesn't know shit.

And the thing is, I was never disagree. He didn't know how to go to UPS. He doesn't know that if you're calling him from California to mail you something that you can't get here, it's not because you don't understand how the internship. Right. He's learned so much.

the more you say the more stupid it sounds like at first i i was like oh yeah like i mean maybe jake doesn't have time for this or maybe he doesn't have the internet funnel it to me you know okay so okay we got right dead on this day still dead cleopatra no way no that's uh no that's uh does no year year on cleopatra that's a hot one What day does she die? What do you think, Henry? I'm going to go... Oh, yeah, okay.

Dude, that's a long, long time ago. I'm going to go $1,250. I was... I have to pee again. $1,500. No one knew you went to pee. I know. Until you announced it.

It's 30 BC. What? No way. All right. She did not believe in Jesus Christ. She believed the name they used to call him in the other thing, before that.

Yahweh. All right. Many others. And dead on this day in 2022, Anne Heish. Yeah. Or is she? Remember whenever she was on fire

on that stretcher? All right, you guys have a good show. Wait, all right. Jake, we're about to... I have to go. All right. Jake's got a tiny bladder. So we will thank...

And that was today in history. Flooring direct DFW, of course. Somoxy Energy, silverback construction, and 360 wealth management. That's why we even did this show. That's why it is open on the paywall today. Thursday will be the same. Tomorrow's show is usually open. Any closing remarks from you, Blake?

Are we ready to roll? Are we going out to watch Banger? I do like the walk you do whenever you're holding in a gallon of piss because you walk at kind of a 45-degree angle. Are you talking me or Jake or just anyone? I think anyone caring that much urine. Well, adios, mofo. We gotta go before this becomes a zoo.

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