The Dumb Zone FREE - DZ Fantasy Football preview hosted by Machine: AITJ WR Preview + QB & TE Preview

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Take fantasy football advice from people who are actually good at it. Machine, Chuck, and Fitz preview the WR, QB, and TE positions for this year (00:00) - WR Preview (01:21:18) - QB & TE Preview ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

The action is the juice. This is the wide receivers preview for the 2025 season. I'm Mike. That's Fids and that is Chuck. Thank you if you checked out the previous episodes. This is my favorite one because I don't know. much variability and finding the hidden gym at wide receiver really unlocks a lot for you so uh this has become i think the industry industry darlings the wide receivers because of the ppr leagues

across the board in most contests that are for for bigger dollars so this one's fun let's dive into it i'm going to pull up the my guys board here in just a second but um any overall thoughts on the position at hole that took a little bit of a beating last year compared to what the running backs did overall. I'll kick it to you, Fitz. Yeah, just kind of really takes a hard left after about, for me, about after 11 guys for this year's draft, a lot of high volume guys at the top and then it's just like just to me a strong line and then you know there's that little

12 to pocket of 12 did like 20 guys where you're just like this guy could ruin my season or I could just go in another direction you know guys like maybe live McConkey I should probably separate from that list because he's pretty safe but you get guys like McLaren Tyree Kill Devante Adams

Mike Evans Marvin Harrison even T. Higgins to me is a little bit of a risk this year guys that I'm not terribly confident in drafts It gets kind of gross after the first, you know, after basically, you know, you're sort of solidified wide receiver ones this year. Yeah, I'm glad to hear you say that. It's exactly my thought as well.

Having run through a couple of high-stakes drafts already, wide receiver feels really thin this year. Exactly in the way that you're describing. The guys at the top, which really felt like it stretched to 20-something names last year, really feels like after a j brown lad mcconkey it feels like you hit an air pocket until you get to me mean maybe tet like then it starts to get really kind of i start to feel really anxious about if i don't have a wide receiver one already like where is this how am i going to fill this position yeah and so the reaction to that read i think is to either definitely get the guys up

front or I don't want to say like anchor wide receiver but maybe that's that's the move where there is a wide receiver dead zone in that middle pack there that no one's really comfortable taking but without further ado I will put up the my guys list here and I will zoom that in just a touch momentarily see how that works. All right, Chuck, I will let you do the honors in leading off with your guys at the wide receiver position this year. I already kind of tip my hand on this one a little bit in the overall preview pod. But I think Ted McMillan, sorry, Ted McMillan is going to have the kind of season that's going to surprise people at the end of it. I think he's very, very live to catch

105, 110 balls. He's not going to get the 170 targets that Malik neighbors got last year, but it seems like they're going to build the passing plane out of him. And so he was an elite prospect, highly drafted. I realize there was some concerns about his separation, but his ball in hand stuff is elite. And Dave Canales likes to lean on one outside wide receiver one. And so I think he's the best bet after kind of the consensus elite guys that I feel comfortable.

If I start a robust running back build early, I'm fine if he's my wide receiver one. Yeah, I agree. I spoke to it earlier, but it just I'm not understanding what people are not getting on board with. 62.6 overall. Like, I was reading it just a second ago, and I was convinced he was in the spot that Terry McLaurin was in, just because I don't know,

my eyes were playing tricks on me. And I was like, yeah, I'd rather have him than D.K. Yeah, I'd rather have him than DJ Moore. Yeah, I'd rather have him than Devante Smith. And then I was like, oh shit, that's the wrong name. He's done here in 626, not 44. So I guess that's the greatest test is just don't read well. and see if you still like the guy, 18 spots higher than where he's currently at in ADB.

Any thoughts there if it's on Tetaroa? Yeah, I was just trying to find out. I had some thoughts on him early in the year. What I thought about his tape, but the one thing, about his slot numbers, I was trying to dig that up. But I just, you know, he was, right of Arizona, drafted number eight overall. He can kind of run. he's a he's a freak show when it comes to his profile he's i don't know what his height is i want

to say he's like six three maybe he thinks he's longer than that maybe longer than but but you think he's shorter because of what he can do in the slot you know he's a guy he can run everywhere he's he's a three you know all three levels just like kind of brian thomas junior was last year brian thomas junior did not have the same sort of tape to me though like i looked at brian thomas junior last year and I saw a guy that wasn't really adept at running intermediate routes and it's something he had to work on really in the offseason leading into his rookie season and he like whoa I was not expecting that so but Ted kind of already has that in his bag and you said the separation numbers could be in question when he's playing higher level talent in the NFL so

I'm thinking it might be a bit of a learning curve for him just you know some of those nuanced is that these, you know, veteran cornerbacks, he's going to have to sort of crack those codes. But a guy with his skill set, man, I mean, it's going to, I don't know, a quarter of a season, the third of a season before he's really starting to kind of weigh on these guys, these smaller cornerbacks that, I mean, every cornerback he goes up against is going to be smaller than him, basically. He's a freak show. And, yeah, a thousand yards is, I mean, I don't know.

It feels pretty, I feel like that's almost like a slam dunk to me. for him yeah i think we were what happened and what we needed to happen with btj was him to show something beyond what he was in college if ted is just the same guy i think that's perfectly fine like i don't think there needs to be like some magic like animorphs happening where he like turns into something different than what he was already was and i don't know i just get a lot of drake london vibes out of Tet, you know, same division, close to the same size, West Coast, wide receiver, that I don't know if anybody ever questioned, well, people did question Drake Lennon's ability to separate, but they were just like, oh, he's so physical and so big, and he'll just win

those balls no matter what. And I don't know if it's because Tet's, you know, Samoan or whatever he is and played volleyball, and people just think he's like assume he's soft but I don't know he feels exactly like Drake London to me and it feels kind of foolish not to pencil him in for 85 plus catches and their main offensive weapon when they need a first down so I think it's a really good bet okay you do a second one Chuck so the other guy on my list is George Pickens who is a guy that I have historically avoided but dropped into the situation that he finds himself in now,

playing in what is projected to be one of the highest volume passing offenses in the league with an absolute void after C.D. Lamb, I think he could easily, easily finish as a very high-end wide receiver 2, maybe even a back-end wide receiver 1 if the touchdowns break his way. I think George Pickens is just in a perfect, perfect situation this year. And I'm fine drafting him ahead of ADP. I'm also in on DAC. I'm in on all of the Cowboys passcatchers this year. Yeah, he's might talk about your favorite person.

Yeah, contract year for George Pickens. You know, I don't know if the Cowboys are going to, like, screw his head on right and make him not such a fucking weirdo. I don't know if anybody can, except for the ability to force multiply your future earnings in one year in a really good offense that if you just are long for the ride, but you can have 10 touchdowns and 80 catches and be on one of the better offenses and at least passing offenses in football. We'll see how the offense is a whole rounds out.

But, I mean, he's on my, he makes my list as well. Or I didn't put him technically on my list, I guess, because I didn't want to copy you once I saw yours. But he would be on my list as well. It's a dude I'm drafting a lot of in that space, because that is that weird, I don't want to call it a dead zone, but that uncomfortable little funky butt receiver space down there how you feel about him fits uh i mean sure i mean i i don't see any reason why he's not going to come away with it's more honestly touchdowns

i feel like he's he's such a red zone threat when you talk about dallas and like they're just going to throw the shit out of the ball and they already got a guy who's going to take away plenty He's almost never going to have overloaded coverage on his side. So, yeah, I mean, he's a slam dunk probably for eight touchdown catches easy to me, barring injury and probably right around that, you know, thousand, thousand yard range. And I mean, he's not a huge volume guy. He hasn't been in his past, but I feel like there's, he's a big play waiting to happen. He's not going to be on my guy's list ever because he's George Pickens.

never liked them maybe as a you know he's kind of sort of bordering that all shithead team that you've liked to talk about over the past years but yeah it's a good fit yeah it's a good fit and um you know instead of having a three-headed monster you got kind of a two-headed monster um i do i do i do like i do like the tight-in uh for the for the cowboys this year but i'm still yeah i'm on board with pickens and one of those guys i sort of had to come around and i started thinking about it was like they're going to throw as much as just about any team in the NFL, maybe this side of Cincinnati. And in this range, they're like, they're honestly aren't that many fun picks,

at least for wide receiver. If you're trying to attack on your wide receiver three or four, God forbid you're still taking your second wide receiver. Terry McLaurin currently not really participating in football. DeBonte Adams might have Jimmy Garoppolo throwing the ball there for a long time until Stafford showed up to practice other day. D.K. Metcalf. George Pickens, DJ Moore, who we'll touch on in a minute,

and Devon to Smith, who I guess Fitz has more faith in than me, so I'll go ahead and let you jump in. If you want to start with Devont to Smith, we can work backwards if that's all right. Sure. Yeah, just the volume, you know, I can't imagine, and that's another reason I have AJ Brown on there. I have both of them on there. I had Devante last year

at one of my teams and I loved it. He's a big play, big play guy really, but he can, he can do all the intermediate. He can, you know,

he's that three level guy. He just, they just still hadn't thrown much last year. But considering their schedule, flip this year is kind of be a little bit tougher and makes you think they're going to be in games where they may be behind more or tight games where they can't just shove the ball down team's throws with Sequin.

I think, was it 32? targets is what a j brown got in second half of games last year which is incredible like a really mind-boggling stat i just feel he's going to have to open up a little bit more this year and he's he seems to be a huge beneficiary of that um i love him and they're they're they're only throwing a two guys in that offense so that's why i like him where he's going he's safe to me um i'm not sure he's a league winning like blow up like you know 15 touchdown kind of guy but you don't need it that position um i don't know what you guys think about devanta but i he's an easy easy click for me

at there at that spot i don't really find myself taking him in that range um because that's kind of like the i don't know i just i feel like i there's a tear drop before that i feel like uh to me and i'm always getting that and then deciding if i want to get that elite quarterback or that fun on tight end or don't want to get one of these fun running backs that kind of get down there. So I don't know how much I'll own. I don't know, it might be very slim on my Devante exposure this year. Fitz, one of the interesting things that you're saying with both of these flagplants is that the Eagles are highly likely to pass much more than they did last year.

They could easily have 100 to 150 more pass attempts as compared to 2024 when they had one of the lowest pass rates over expectation. And that is going to drag along AJ Brown, Devontas Smith, maybe even Dallas Gottert, but definitely Jalen Hertz. And I think when we start talking about quarterbacks here in a minute, like he's kind of the last of the elite QB tier. And he's going as number four, but he could easily finish, you know, number two, number one. And I think he's, that's just an inefficiency in the pricing right now. Yeah, another reason I have, you know, it's just another tiebreaker when you're looking at who's, who you're going to put at RB1, just maybe slightly less Sequin. And, you know, he's not known as a past catcher. But yeah, I'm glad at least you see that.

And I hope that comes through fruition with these guys because I'm trying to get, you know, if I'm not getting Drake London, I'm trying to draft A.J. Brown. But if I miss out on him, yeah, like Devont de Smith is automatic for me. Yeah, so dive into Drake London because I have him as well. So I got you back here. Yeah, I mean, he's getting projected as like the number three in targets behind Chase and Lamb. You know, there's really no other like Darnell Mooney is the number two on that roster. He's an absolute red zone machine. He had 14 end zone targets last year.

one in the NFL with the volume he had 24 total in the red zone like mooney had one end zone target last year and only six in the red zone his target share with pinnix was almost 40 and it's three starts small sample size but who else is i mean nobody else is really catching balls not only on offense but what other receivers really getting that kind of that kind of work in the NFL i mean you're looking at maybe cd lamb obviously justin jefferson but even jemar chase has has um competition and the wide receiver back backfield and and london's price has been creeping up i think people are catching on to this um i have him seven right now amongst wide receivers but i could easily i could easily have him at five um even even potentially four like i i love him that much and he is uh

definitely a guy i'm planning my flag on this year and i i kind of came in here thinking that you guys both might have him on there. I didn't see Chuck have him, but I imagine you probably considered it. Oh, yeah, he was definitely on the fringe for me. I love where he's going. He's kind of going right at the end of this pocket that includes neighbors of Munran, Nico, Brian Thomas, Puka.

And I don't know that I would push him above any of those guys, but I think he is right there with him. Yeah, it feels like just a super obvious path to, an incredible amount of targets from a quarterback who i i mean bare minimum we're assuming he's going to perform better than kirk cousins last year um so you know michael pinnicks i'm not big i'm not certain what he is like i don't he i don't know he's the next coming of tom brady or some shit but it was fun last year whatever he started seemed like they got some juice and they had some fun whenever he played so is it 170 targets for drake london is it a 30% target share i don't know but

it seems like the obvious thing to do if you're trying to win football games the falcons right now seems like your easiest path to victory um because that is i mean he's a dominant outside receiver that can handle that workload um so If you overutilize he and Bijan the entire season and you have your best year in a while and, you know, Pinnix is just fine. I think Drink London can pay off pretty big as the last guy on that kind of tier of elite wide receivers that you can convince yourself are going to be a wide receiver one. So he's on my list as well. So big big enthusiasm there. and they only throw to him in practice.

Like, he's the only player that ever catches a ball. So it's pretty fun at this point. Yeah, I feel like we're kind of both are all going to be like draft Drake London. It might be the last thing we say. I already kind of went into A.J. Brown. I really need to go too into that. He's rock, you know, rock solid. He's still in the prime of his career, you know, barring, as long as he stays healthy.

I have absolutely no hesitation if you know it's kind of honestly I'm like back and forth between he and London but I've taken London over him now I've raised you know put London over him in the last week or so and then AJ Brown just totally fine to me do you guys have any any issues with AJ I think he's a little banged up right now yeah that might be it And I don't know. Yeah, I think he's fine. I think it's just, yeah, I think it's totally fine. It doesn't super excite me.

And I feel like he was having some friction with the team as a whole end of last year. But they also won't be up by 21 in every second half again. So. JSN, JSN is just he can do everything. He can run out of any part of the offensive backfield you wanted to. In terms of a receiver, he can run out of the slot, and he's going to get to prove it. He can really be that true number one with D.K. Metcalf gone. He's sort of the prototypical, like, modern-day receiver to me.

I know we've had some love fest from him since he entered the league, and I doubled down on him last year and I feel like I got proven right, and this is his year to shine. Again, we talked about the offensive line issues, and they got Sam Darnold throwing, but look, it was Gino Smith before, and he put up really good numbers last year. I do like having Kubiak be the play caller in this offense, and I think he's going to be the focal point of that, not just the passing game, but the offense as a whole. So he's, that's where that's sort of that tier ends. him and then McConkey as the top 12 receivers he's Jackson Smith and Jimba still fits in that for me I don't know how you guys feel about him but I'm I'm totally in on him does feel weird that he's that high but I just went looked at his numbers and I was like god damn yeah like I mean

137 targets and 100 100 receptions I think I think the targets could go up like I don't see a reason why they shouldn't besides I don't know if maybe they get drunk on Cooper Cup for a little bit there but I think it could be more the touchdowns I don't think I ever going to be high because he's just you know a smaller stature dude but that's the cost of a guy that's guaranteed 100 catches as a wide receiver I think is third round I just it feels weird but I should probably start coming around to it pretty quickly. I love JSN. The only thing that gives me just a half second of pause is just what's around him.

That offense feels a little fragile with the weak offensive line, and now you're asking Sam Darnold to be who he was last year, but in a very different, much more fragile system. And I think the quarterback downgrade from Gino to Darnold will show up at some point this year. If Milrow starts at any point, I think that is, that's anthrax for JSA. Yeah, let's hope that doesn't happen. Chuck and I saw what a Jalen Milrow shit show can look like

when he came to Norman last year, and they put up a whopping three points. It was embarrassing, and it was a red flag game for Milro. So when they got drafted in the third round, I'm like, did they watch that game? Maybe they have different plans. Maybe he's going to be Cordell Stewart. I don't know what he's going to do

but yeah that was a that was puzzling for me it all seems kind of Fugazi with the Seahawks I don't know why I just don't feel good about any of it and that drags down JSA in my perception when it probably shouldn't it all just feels like paper machet

I don't I don't know why I don't feel good about anything in Seattle maybe it'll be trailing all year that'd be great and they have to air it out corlin sutton was uh probably my least like confident one on this one just because there seems to be a fair amount of weapons to go to in that offense um but i do like the offensive line and i like the fact that he is he is the bona fide wide receiver one in a sean payton offense and you know he showed up last year and i i feel like it's going to maybe he won't repeat the touchdown output that he has the last uh season

um but i i just i love his talent i always have i've always bet on him um i think they're going to be a really good team this year so uh and again i think they're going to run the ball a lot but i think his i think his quality of touches are going to be um very high and i like this little pocket that he's going in if it was if is is our is a dp is about as capped out though as i wanted to be but i do find myself clicking his name when i'm doing these mock drafts and you know I'm not saying he's going to, you know, I'm not drafting him in every league, but I still like him as a pretty safe late round, later round wide receiver two or three. He is a guy that I came around too late in draft season last year,

and it was way more fun when he was, I feel like he was going like seventh, eighth round last year. And I was like, yeah, I don't know what everyone's missing besides just, I don't know, the Broncos aren't going to score a single touchdown. all year 510 is where he's going this year and I think that's fine I'd like to have take a stand on some guys in this range and that worthy Sutton actually like all these these five dudes I like worthy Sutton Zayflowers Tett and Jameson so I definitely want one of them if it is if you are doing a tier system and Cortland Sutton's the last one on your tier and it's get this one or miss out on the boat um i've done it a couple times um so

no issues with cordon sudden there jack you like him uh i like him a lot i think the two arguments that i if i was forced to poke some holes in there is um one you already mentioned was the negative touchdown regression and um the other is just i kind of like the guys that go around him just a little bit more, just because I can tell myself an exciting story of, like, they're going to be better than they were last year. And that includes guys, like, worthy Pickens and Jameson. Yeah, not a huge worthy guy this year, but I am a big Travis Hunter guy as we established in the first part of it.

Like, well, it doesn't take much to sell really anybody watching this that Travis Hunter could be. I think a league winner at his cap. I think he's got that kind of potential considering the offense that he's going in. I'm just like, close your eyes and just think about Chris Godwin last year in this same offense. He can run the same sort of routes that Godwin was doing, and he's a better athlete than Godwin, and he's got a big-time receiver that we saw last year in Brian Thomas Jr. on the other side. And less, I think at least this point in his career, less to take him away from,

on the other side of the ball. We don't really know how they're going to use them on defense. But, yeah, everybody knows the upside. I don't really have to go too deep into it. He's certainly a fun one to call out, but I actually really believe that he could flip your team, you know, if he can get that offense down. So six-round Travis Hunter to me,

if you've already got at least one established, hopefully two established receivers, feels right. he's the perfect guy to draft in your flex because for all the reasons you just said he could be someone that is a league winner he he's on the short list of guys that could be one of the five guys that you need this year and i don't think this is necessarily likely but he could end up being alpha receiver in his offense he had a sterling uh reception perception grade and he's just the closest thing we have to show hey Otani in football and like I want unicorns like that on my team I think you're always trying to do yourself some favors

and give yourself this edge on your roster that you know it doesn't always work out and sometimes there's small misses or even like medium-sized misses But whenever it's in the formula, in the path of trying to get a nuclear hit, I think y'all know how I play this game. I'll do that every single time. Give me the edge on everybody if I show up to the playoffs with Travis Hunter at full speed, and he's my wide receiver four. and I got him where he's currently going right now, which is a lot of the reason why he's one of the dudes

that's like in that rookie stack that I talk about that is explain to me how this doesn't work out. Okay. I see that little slim chance down there. That's fine. I also see this big chunk of the pie in which you are scared to death because I have Travis Hunter where I got him.

and he's my third or fourth best wide receiver where do you guys see him going right now i'm trying to track it here he is he is behind he's 74.2 at 612 so you might get him in the seventh round damn that feels yeah more than right yeah i mean i'd seen him six rounds i don't know if he's fallen recently but he's kind of nicked up maybe that kind of dropped him a little bit but it didn't look like it was very serious um i mean i hate two picks in front of rome romeadunze uh all day excepter calvin ridley like rishy rice is right there i mean yeah if i'm thinking about what my team actually needs and what can change it it's pretty pretty simple decision um not a guy would have maybe a month ago expected to have on this list but uh i've sort of kind of

kind of changed my tune on this guy is matthew golden you know he he came into texas from houston had one year to figure out sark's system and he did it um again amongst a ton of receivers to fight through he still put up some pretty darn good numbers but he he's not that alpha kind of guy but but i really feel like he's going to fit that green base system really well and when you have christian watson um dinged up he's gonna he's got he's got he's a guy who can adapt to a system fast that's why i mentioned that the whole you know transfer you know he went to texas one year now he's going to green bay as a as a rookie he's a quick learner an incredible incredible route runner um great hands super fast uh yeah he's not again he's not that sort of um

your traditional wide receiver one but you don't need him to be that in that green bay system and i think he could really really surprise a lot of people um that are expecting jane reed you know, I know he's very talented too, but Matthew Golden is, I'm like, wow, I remember him being really good at Houston and he stuck out like a sore thumb to me. And when he was doing that against Texas's secondary as a junior or maybe he was even a sophomore, I'm like, I want to keep my eye on this kid. And yeah, I didn't think he was worth, I didn't think he was worth the first round pick, but now I see it. And I see how LaFleur might want to use him. And they went up and got him and I'm buying on him this year before he before his price is like a third round next year

every year there's always one rookie first round receiver the rookie that was drafted in the first round that for some reason gets undervalued by the market last year was brian thomas this year it's matthew golden and i don't and you don't even have to love matthew golden the player to realize that like if you place your chips on that kind of bet more often than not you're going to get paid off and so i i like matthew golden a lot this year yeah i look at the range he goes in which is one oh two eight which is nine oh three right now um yeah if i'm not taking addison if i haven't worked myself into a an addison situation like golden over joan jennings golden over cooper cup

Golden over Khalil Shakir, golden over Jaden Reed, golden over Michael Pittman, like golden over probably Stefan Diggs and Jerry Judy and Jacoby Myers. Like, that feels better to me. I haven't had a ton opportunity to take him as of yet,

but I probably need to get more exposure before the, for drafting season closes. I got him right behind Jacob. Myers. I got him an unofficial list, but I have it at like 25. Maybe probably have a little lower than that one if I redid this if I updated it. But yeah, probably top 30 for me. I think he's going to pop. And then it looks like we have a double up here, Mike on Ricky. We do. You want to go ahead and talk about him? Yeah, I just, the 49ers are projected to win a lot of games.

The 49ers are going to be without Brandon Ayyuk. There are weeks in there, I love George Kittle to death. There are weeks in there in which George Kittle does not show up to play offensive football on the stat sheet outside of just blocking the living shit out of people. Christian McCaffrey is not a guarantee any year, any week at any point. Who the fuck is catching the ball for the 49ers? this team that's projected to win nine or ten games. Maybe it's the guy they took in the first round last year

that had like the most horrific rookie season ever because he got shot and then injured. Like I'm not going crazy on Ricky Pearson. I'm not like drafting him ahead of ADP necessarily and just like reaching beyond all reaches on him. but where the fuck is he going uh 82 points so 707 man i just i've seen the kyle shanahan offense movie and they're going to score points rock purdy's good enough they're going to move the chains i want to whatever whatever the funnel is pointing towards on the 49ers offense

some years it's super confusing and we talk ourselves into all kinds of bullshit we the iuk and the third or fourth or something um this one looks pretty simple it looks like i believe go ahead it looks like the dude that you want to have is your wide receiver four um to round off a really good room and there's upside there obviously you can't stack too many of these dudes together like if you're making the Pierce all bet you I wouldn't do a bunch of other sloppy bets but I think it's I think there's way more upside than that he's getting credit for this one week trend as on fantasy pros is 19.5 draft spots so the helium is happening yeah we're not alone yeah but it's still

look at it look yeah it looks reasonable to me yeah I don't know if I what I'm getting in that six-round range. That's not what I'm here for. But keep it back into the seventh, early eighth. Again, these are only the most recent drafts. So I don't know how many homely drafts are going to have in the seventh round. But if he's sitting there in the eighth round, yes. Yeah, there's some closing line. You probably wanted to Ricky Pierce all earlier. Whatever is about to happen. But again, like I said, like guys that rise late, usually don't rise fast enough, or far enough. You're looking at it going, like, what the fuck's the seventh round pick matter between that and a sick?

You know what I mean? Like, cool. I'm fighting myself in between a, where's he going, 7.07 and 8, whatever my 8th round pick is. And I'm going to split those hairs and, like, drive myself insane and not get the guy I liked because he rose too far. Like, this is silly. When you look back at your teams at the end of the year, or you go back, you know, like now, you're looking back at last year's teams. The one thing you always come back to in a draft is, did I draft the right guys?

You know, some of this, all these hoops we jump around about team build and how we're, what direction we were taking our, our fantasy drafts. And at the end of the day, if you pick the, pick the good players, you pick the right players, it, that's how you win. I mean, honestly, that, you know, all these. things we try to overanalyze just about picking the right guys like if you to pick the you know if you if you reach and grab a guy that kicks ass but it's he reached three rounds early you're not going to be you're not going to hate it you're going to look your team's going to be

great it's all about picking the right guys yeah and just having access to the wide receiver one and a 49ers called shanahan offense i don't know if it'll ever be cheaper if that's what he is again joan jennings is on the you know he he's holding out holding in too yeah he's got a quote-unquote calf issue which it's kind of scary it's scary on print but he had the same exact thing last year and he was fine it's something apparently he's dealt with and it may have just something he just listed so he could just mark it off this you know negotiation tactics but he he is a you know he's the one reason why piercell's not going higher i think it's because juan jennings is on the field uh for more than just

pass catching and Ricky Pearsall really doesn't do anything else but that he's not going to be on the field you know to run block or be a decoy and then all of a sudden they're rolling out and they're faking you know and throwing to pierce on like he's going to be off the field certain moments but but as a as a prospect though he's he feels great he feels like a guy that you should have on your team like you said as a fourth receiver yes yeah have any thoughts on rickie yeah I think there's some question as to like how good a receiver he actually is because he wasn't somebody that you know really splashed in college he wasn't thought of there's this like can't miss prospect but you guys said it where else is the ball going to yeah and there's

just been like it's he's one of those drum beat guys and just kind of like the flame just keeps getting like higher of yeah he looks great Yeah, he's a former first round pick. Yeah, the opportunity is there. Yeah, I think it's a team that's going to, like, score enough points and have enough drives and get enough first downs to sustain it. And it all just is kind of like adding up to the only thing that is in the way of this guy being a higher pick right now, like a fifth round pick right now, is just that he hasn't done it previously.

Mm-hmm. Okay. I know he hasn't because I'd have to take him in the, I would have to take him like in the third or fourth. I get it. But part of this game is projection. It is being able to see the situation in the guy and say like, that one. That one's prime to do it.

So it doesn't get more complicated than that at some points. I'm just like good ass player on a good offense that's about to get a pretty good target share. share and maybe he's always hurt guy and maybe that offense isn't very good or maybe george kittle gets twice as many targets as he's ever had in his life or joan jennings is the real deal these are all legit questions and complications but all of those i feel pretty good betting against at this point so i like pierceau um he's obviously on my list so i'll scroll down and and reveal the rest of my dudes um don't got to spend a ton of time on some of these but break london we talked about just fucking beast that's going to get 40 percent of their targets

or whatever from improved from improved quarterback play on an offense that i think is going to be much better uh tett we talked about um seems obvious silly he's going where he is i'll follow up my uh 49ers question with a who the fuck is catching the football for the commanders Zach urts god austin heckler yeah it's got to be terry mccloren i think i think i think so like but are you really i mean he waited until he had a whatever many touchdown season to demand a new contract and now he's over i think he's 30 he's he's getting up there you can give terry mcclorn a long-term contract like he's just super disappointed he's been super disappointing overall like just like fine what was the number like that

he guaranteed wanted was it 60 was it that high i don't know it was something insane yeah he's just too old to get a long-term contract like that to make that money make sense and you just yeah you had one good year cool would love to see you do it again um and i don't know there's there are plenty excuses around debo if you want to hear the uh you know the bin of excuses of having pneumonia last year and just all that shit and i think i think just given cliff kingsbury a toy that is a uh a human tank and debo samuel will be really fun and see what they can do with him and jaden Daniels maybe you get some of his swag back and start playing like debo again and that's that one good last year you fuck it there's some people that are just like no fuck that guy because

you fucked my team last year you have to know how that is i feel that i feel that and that's an opportunity for us when a good player has a down year and people swear off of them that's a buying opportunity yeah what's this uh ADP here dbo is going pretty late dude no one's really feeling the vibes as of yet 8.05, so 89.9.9. 8th round, middle of the eighth round. But rising. What rising? Yes. Yeah, it's come up seven and a half spots in whatever time frame this is. Yeah, I'm a Devo guy. Like, I feel like I've done every three cycles around the sun with him. where it's like i'm in now fuck you

fuck me over i'm in again and then he fucks me over again and then you know ready to be hurt again um here so we just talked about uh ameked buka i don't know what it's going to be this year but dude they won't shut up they love this dude they absolutely love him he's a good enough prospect um A lot of the stuff around the periphery around his advanced stats and who he played with and teammates score and all that type of shit is like off the charts and just I don't know. Every once in all you just got to be like good-ass football player that everyone loves. And the drumbeat on him just seems like everybody wants him to work out and wants to get him the ball and wants him to have a phenomenal rookie season because he is this kind of guy. so pretty psyched yeah big time faster 11.7 the last week is basically a full round

yeah he's he's screaming up the board um and mcmillan's hurt as we've mentioned uh in the intro podcast godwin's going to be out for at least the first month of the season probably more mike evans is 31 he's another like perfect marriage of where the hell else is the ball going to go and, oh, this guy's really good, and they won't shut up about him. He honestly probably should have been a my guy, too. Through Keon Coleman in here just out of curiosity, because he's pretty free. 11th round, middle of the 11th round, 130th overall. I mean, they have to get a legit passing offense at some point, right?

That isn't just bullshit Khalil Shakir fucking five-yard option routes and Doss and Knox bullshit and get into James Cook. Like eventually they're going to have to play like an NFL team, I think. And with Kalushikir out with the high ankle sprain and Kincaid, whatever is going on with him. I mean, I just think they owe it to themselves to like see what they have in Keon Coleman. And just drown them with targets and red zone threats and all. the stuff that he is built to do um yeah and if it was any price here i'd say no yeah he was really he was really raw coming out um but you could see the flashes coming out of florida state and i remember looking at i'm like i don't know if it's going to be this year this is last year

thinking this and i'm like but at some point it's kind of the light bulb's going to go off and i did you know i think i had him in one league last year but i was i was very um kind of really wanted to pay attention to how he was progressing in the offseason. And they seem to really kind of talk about not shutting up about a guy. Again, watching hard knocks will make you really pay attention to a guy. But some other people are aware of him being there. But they went and got Josh Palmer and it almost feels like a smokescreen to me that they have the second year rookie that they invested a decent amount of draft capital in.

Yeah, dude, I love this call. He's probably going to come up later in another. topic that you threw out to us um but yeah no he's i'm in on him and uh you know when you when you look at a rookie and you like him you always like even if he doesn't do anything his rookie year you kind of want to be like that's my guy i'm going to watch it i'm going to see see this through his second year so i i will probably have him on my um the next draft that i do yeah i just want to be along for the ride see where it goes it's it's kind of a free kind of a free adventure for you.

Jaden Higgins is a part of that rookie wide receiver or just rookie group in general where I'm like maybe the Texans are really bad at drafting and they don't know what they're doing in the second round. Maybe he's worth that draft slot. He's a big fucker that can play outside with C.J. Stroud and that offense is a little bit juiced up now, at least through the passing game.

I don't know if you heard Joe Mixins out they're not going to have a running game that's worth a shit Nico Collins misses games I do love Nico Collins to my core he misses games consistently and

Jaden Higgins not that he's going to duplicate what Nico did or be a Nico clone I think a second round wide receiver that has that size that has that quarterback with that kind of pedigree and has proven he can do some shit that's pretty nice and it's it's really late too man it is 1304 13th round give me jaden

higgins every single time it makes me feel so much better about my entire wide receiver room jack um the only thing i would say about him is i wish that he had had a little more positive of drum beats. He has not yet seized the job opposite Nico. The only thing that holds me back from Jaden Higgins a little bit is I think Christian Kirk is going to be a PPR scam this year. And so if I don't get Jaden Higgins, I'm not feeling super bad about it, but he was a guy that I was heavily drafting in rookie drafts in the middle of the second round all throughout, you know, rookie dynasty season. Yeah, I watched this tape today, actually. And, he almost gives me a little bit of those Keon Coleman vibes

where I'm definitely paying attention to him this year not sure the light bulb's going to go off super fast for him he seems to be kind of one of those guys who can win one-on-one balls I don't know I don't know if he's got the skill set to ever be a true elite receiver but that's not really how they're drafting him so it seems like a weird fit to me in that offense But like you said, if Nico's missing time, then all of a sudden it's a perfect kind of fit, at least to fill some gaps there while Nico's gone. Because you kind of just expect it at this point with Nico.

And they're going to be throwing the shit out of the ball. Obviously, they're going to be down probably a lot this year, and they have a shitty offensive line. So they're not going to be keen on running the ball with what they have in that backfield, especially if Mixon is going to be banged up with an NFL, non-football injury. as you mentioned, Mike. I haven't seen any reports about when he might come back. I just haven't heard anything positive come out yet. So, yeah, it just seems like they're just going to be dropping back and throwing a ton this year. And I would imagine, you know, Stratt will probably have top three most attempts as quarterbacks if he stays healthy.

Yeah, and when a guy that wasn't necessarily projected to go that high, I mean, they took him what? It was like second pick of the second round or something like that. like he went pretty high when a guy that wasn't necessarily on most mocks that high when he has that like draft capital delta it makes me think like they're either like super committed to making this guy work because they have to be because it is a reach that you're like this is going to work or you have like a big plan for him right um because rationally you got got on later um i didn't see anybody having jaden higgins like top 35 kind of pick going into the draft but i don't know i'd still have some hope that there is some magic left in the texans and cj

stroud at least passing game because he was just so fucking good and then pff bobby got a hold of him for a season, and D'Amico Ryan's was just hell-bent on setting up 55-yard field goals until the end of time. And they were ridiculous last year. And, you know, that might be the offensive line thing and that doesn't get fixed, but I don't know. I have some hope that C.J. Stroud is that guy that he showed us.

And if he is, then he lifts all boats and Jaden Higgins comes along. maybe he's the tank tell from two years ago you know um so uh final guy uh he love him or hate him i don't know i don't know how people feel about lutherburton right now but he's a 14th round pick middle of the 14th round it's just pretty free and the thesis here is that the bears took rome adunzee last year in the first round the bears took luther burden this year the second round the bears took colston lovelin this year in the first round they got the new offensive new head coach new offensive coordinator new offensive line basically one of those decisions is telling me that they desperately want to stop

giving the ball to dj more like they just want to fucking do anything but give the ball the ball to DJ more at this point in history and they're going to be a better offense i think Caleb looked really really sharp in that preseason game and if that's all it takes it's just him being like a top 20 NFL quarterback and this thing starts humming a little bit and everyone's really under the microscope or really microscopically kind of like dissecting luther burden in every comment that comes out about him and all this stuff but i mean he's he's a great great football player um and has been has had the pedigree for a while i think got a little bored his senior year whatever it was junior year with missouri and and it got a little weird

but i mean he's just to get the ball in his hands kind of guy and fucking go crazy and and ben um what's his ass from uh the lions the new uh ben johnson johnson yeah i thought it was i thought i was i was saying ben johnson that was like i was too generic of my name that can't be his name um Yeah, Ben Johnson's going to figure out, you know what, this guy, this guy can, he's got some wiggle to him. I got like scheme shit open for like Rome and not that I dislike Rome, but I can just do easy button shit with Luther Burton. Okay, let's do some more of that. And it's 14th round, so I mean, I don't know. The guy was a five-star recruit.

everybody in the country wanted him and he was number three overall player number one receiver in the country and Missouri got him so he sort of flew under the radar for a long time but he is that alpha all three levels kind of guy

he can do everything you mentioned it like I don't know what happened at that last year Missouri I'm guessing defenses tried to catch up and make them throw to Theo Wiese who's also in the NFL right now it was kind of weird because I expected him to be on every All-American team and then it just

did last year did pan out and his draft stock slid makes you question it a little bit um what was what was really the problem there um scouts will see if if teams were overcompensating their defense just to stop them but you know it affected this draft status so you know maybe the bears capitalize on on you know they got a they got a steal potentially in the draft but yeah it's just so many mouse to feed in chicago that's why is his fantasy draft capital is so low and And, God, I don't know if I can really envision Luther Burton popping off this year. But, I mean, God, it would be great to see. I mean, you know, when you had told me before, I thought he was a slam dunk, top-in,

like, you know, first two or three receivers off the board, if you'd asked me this two years ago. He's the perfect cherry on top of your wide receiver room, and you don't have to take him highly. He's going after Pick 140 on all the major platforms. You've already talked about his elite prospect profile. Yeah, he had a weird senior season, but he broke out early, and he was handpicked by the new regime in the early part of the second. So I love drafting Luther Burden at his cost because the worst case scenario is you can drop him. But the best case scenario is he's a fantasy playoff league winner.

Awesome. Okay, let's move on to our card flip guys. That's all right if everybody's ready for that. And I am going to kick it to Chuck first. If you could see the stats for one player right now, their end of season stats, right now at the wide receiver position that would unlock almost everything else for you. Where are you going? I mean, the easy answer is Travis Hunter,

because that's the only thing that's holding his draft capital down, is how much is he going to play receiver? How many targets is he going to get? And if I get to see that, then I know kind of how everything else went in Jacksonville. And as close as he is to being a flag plant, my guy for me, I think he's the number one that I want to see what those end of year numbers look like. Who's your guy, Fitz? Yeah, I mean, it probably would have been him, but we talked so much about him. My guy was Tyree Kill.

That's a good one. Like, to me, it's just kind of high variance. Like, is his career done? Or is he going to revert to the guy that, you know, guy my auctioned league out of his thousand dollars he spent 350 bucks on him last year and this same guy believe it or not still spent like you know i think it was 240 of his thousand dollars this year way too high but um i you know they have the easiest uh pass schedule in the NFL and two was hurt a little bit last year shocker and their offensive line was dinged up and

And I'm just trying to throw out the reasons why it could be he could just revert back to who he was. And I know Matt Harmon, I'm sure you guys have probably heard just things he's done in reception, and reception. And, you know, then there's the excuse he had the wrist injury, which isn't, you know, I don't know. But yeah, I think the safe thing that people are doing is, well, if he's not one and he's not, you know, 30, let's just put him somewhere in the middle. and we'll just, you know, see how it plays out, and we won't be too wrong or too right. Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I hadn't slurped the dipperino on Tyree Kill a little bit over the last six months or so.

Like someone offered me, you know, hey, give me a late second for Tyree Kill. And I'm like, ah, yeah, that seems like a pretty fun bet. let's do it uh so i got a bunch of dynasty teams and i might be uh holding an empty bag here in a couple months but uh that's fine i'll i'll deal with that in my own time uh marvin harrison harrison jr would be a fun one to flip the card on that wouldn't be super fun i'd like to see the marv stats because that would shift a lot of stuff i want to take them like ahead of Mike Evans and Tyreek and maybe T. Higgins

in some scenarios but I'm a scared cat. The other guy, I mean, Pickens would be super interesting too, but Jamo I would love to see James and Williams end of season stats right now.

That'd be that iron out a lot for me, I think. Yeah, how many guys are that unpack? Yeah, yeah. That'd fix. that fix some scenarios for me okay if you could preload one guy in your roster that's going outside the top 100 a little bit of drafting in reverse who's your guy that you would preload from the wide receiver position let's go with let's go with Michael Charles Perry

I mean I think I've already tipped my hand on this one my real answer would be Luther burden but if I'm going to give you know a better or a different answer it's probably christian kirk because i want to know what how did that shake out like what is because if he has you know 800 to 1,200 yards 1200 is probably too much um you know then the texans are probably doing something and then there's value around that and that pie is bigger than uh that then it might look right now so i think it's probably christian kirk for me mine's not terribly exciting we just talked about them but uh just because i i really want to know if i was right two years ago as keon colman just and would tell you what you know what's going on

with that buffalo offense uh because i there's just that doesn't seem to be uh i don't know calil shakir's ceiling is very capped and keon coleman just seems to be that guy that could break out you know if they you know he hasn't had since digs there hasn't really been a wide receiver that stood out where you're literally like really wanting to draft a guy and I really want to I want him to be that guy um Dalton Kincaid we thought might have been that guy coming in the last year and he just kind of was a dud and like you mentioned how was Dawson Knox all of a sudden back to where he was I don't it was just the weirdest shit and so uh but if if if keon Coleman is blowing up it unlocks so Josh Allen, and if he doesn't, then it's kind of back to the same old shit.

Yeah, if I could preload Matthew Golden at cost or Josh Downs at cost on every roster, then I would automatically just a little safety blanket on my wide receiver room. That'd be fun. I'd feel better about all of my teams if those guys at their exact ADP just landed there, which they never do. Or Downs does now, now that these hurt. But for the longest time, there's always a guy that would reach a little bit on downs and not let him slide. And then Golden, kind of the same.

There's at least one believer in each room or your Randolph Packers fan. So, awesome. Well, that's our wide receiver preview. I guess if you're going to hit on any dudes that we're just straight of avoiding. That whole Indianapolis Colts. Every cult. Every time you say Josh Jones, I'm like, oh, he looks talented, great guy. I'm not driving in any league.

Yeah, I think DJ Moore is on my a void, as you can tell. Who else? I mean, it's hot. Alave, I just don't want to be burned by Alave again with the concussions. But Judy, I don't get Jerry Judy. A pick for Jerry Judy is so fucking lame. Like, if you just, whenever you end up rolling out Jerry Judy. We haven't talked about some of these high-end guys, like the top.

We haven't really dug into many of these guys. And I wanted to ask you, I know you guys love Malik neighbors. What are your feelings about, I mean, I know you love the guy, you love the talent. People are picking them off like so high. It's just too risky to me to take a guy that's on a offense with a really, I would say the only quarterback in sight would be Jackson Dart. Like if Jackson Dart's playing midseason, sign me up. But Russell Wilson does not seem to be the kind of quarterback that's going to pepper a wide receiver and run pace on an offense where he, he's going to drop back and throw where the defensive backfield is going to be or the

defense of the front the front guys on the defensive line are going to be in his face the whole game that's not russellson's bag and i i have a hard time believing it neighbors is going to do much more than he did last year but i've already seen the worst case scenario with malik neighbors his quarterback situation was abysmal last year and he still transcended that and so him being able to overcome that where he was the wide receiver won for a decent portion of last year if anything i think the only thing that scares me is this this foot thing that seems to be lingering but i have i have no fears about my neighbors yeah i mean you don't get that many targets and that much opportunity as a rookie just because the quarterback selection of what's going on on a certain play

it's the offensive coordinator and the head coach going throw him the fucking ball like every time he's got individual coverage or every other play going to him it's still dable right so i think he's going to get that level of opportunity do i believe in russ not really but i've lived the russ experience a handful of times now i think it's like three uh different teams now in which you get to about week six and i don't think anybody's going to win to do that anymore not the jackson dart's going to be that much better but neighbors doesn't worry me um i think it's just a sheer one of the rare very rare like the talents there but also just like the volume is overwhelming um because i don't know who else you're throwing to and dude you know how this

works like they're going to be down 17 in the third quarter and no one's going to give a shit if they give away a 70 yard drive to malik neighbors like it might not make sense on paper but it's how games work out my i'm looking at it as okay i think he's going sometimes seventh in some of these drafts maybe even higher some of the ones you guys are doing um and i get the ppr the appeal for sure um i i would pick london over him uh just because he's getting pretty close to the same amount of volume, but way better quality passes like, you know, he's going to get a lot more goal on work than neighbors is going to be able to get just simply because of the office. It's going to be better than New York's.

It's just, and then plus, you know, defenses will adjust, you know, if that's the only way they can move the ball down the field, well, they'll make them figure something else out. They're going to double them or they're going to bracket them. And, you know, I just want to, I just want to believe that NFL defenses are smart enough to do that. I just think there is a cap on him. I don't see any world where he's getting 15 touchdowns, like a Jamar Chase did last year. And I think some people think that's he's capable of doing it.

I think the talent obviously is there, but he's not sniffing the seventh overall pick for me in any situation. Yeah, that's a touch high, but I don't know. He's going 12th, 12.4 right now, 12th overall pick is, feels right. i don't know what is you're going to do with him um so i don't know i get i get your points i'm just just wanted to yeah just wanted to just wanted to just wanted to touch on him because you know we haven't talked about these high-end guys and that was one of those i know you guys love him and and he's just always sitting up there and it's always just kind of loved him more last year for sure like that was stealing that was free money yeah um but i mean he might get the most targets

that anyone's ever gotten in football outside of megatron like that could happen like they could and i would not blame them like that is within the realm of like realistic football what is the most targets of all time i don't know i got to think antonio brown is like a 200 target season or megatron as like a 200 plus um but i wouldn't blame them if they targeted him 200 times i really would like that is a way for you to win football games that you don't have access to otherwise so the people that are following along it's marvin harrison 205 nice it's achievable calvin johnson 204 um looks like julio jones 203 reggie wayne 195 he might be in the top five next year yeah i wouldn't blame them no they're all clearly coaching and playing for their jobs

in their futures in this league from the quarterback to the OC to the head coach they are all playing on borrowed and coaching on borrowed time they're all going to get fired but yeah yeah yeah that's more realistic for sure anybody in those top that top range but you know i just kind of curious that you have any thoughts that somebody's getting way overdrafted let's see were you a tweet not Not way overdrafted, but like, unfortunately, I think Keenan Allen's signing does impact Ladd-McConkey a little bit, not a lot, but just, you know, it might take that top 5% range of his outcomes off the table. It makes me a little nervous. Tyree Kill is on my do not draft list. I think if there's one person that's likely to have Antonio Brown take a shirt off, flip the crowd off, and quit at halftime, it might be him this year.

I'm here for that I mean I think I'm we're all looking for the guy that did this that created the Nico Collins bandwagon and set it on fire and then pushed it down a hill

and hit max speed and then jumped off man first round Nico Collins is tough for me it's really really tough for me dude like I fucking love

that dude I think he's so good I'm just we're going off one year in which he only played 12 games and he caught under 70 balls and under 100 targets I get the yards per reception

are insane and the touchdowns were great I just I'm I don't know a big high dollar league you know something that isn't just fun I don't think I'll have Nico Collins at that cost

I just won't it won't happen it won't happen I'll take the news around him he's tempting but it's same I just I'm so close to like being yes but I can't do it I'll take I'll take neighbors BTJ or Drake London

probably Pooka above him Pooka's another tough one like i get it but like that the staffer thing and having devante adams there is just like yeah man i i just i can't i can't see me pulling the trigger there unless unless he's really falling yeah and it's it's not a decision it's not like a take stick your foot in the ground and like pivot kind of decision it's just like there guys like right there next to him that are like splitting the hairs on the adp that are also worth that spot so it's not like big swerve big a void it's just dude nico collins in the first round is and i get it whenever you hit that into the first

round you're you're taking those picks that adp gets muddy and it doesn't fucking matter which order you go in but i'm not doing first round nico collins can't do it where are you guys at on stephan digs because i feel like he's another one of those guys that i want to see the end of the year stats is everyone's excited about drake may everyone's expecting the Patriots to take a step forward. How do they do that without Stefan Diggs significantly outproducing his draft cost? I keep hearing his name come up,

and I'm just like I'm not touching him. I'd rather just get DeMario Douglas and write it out just because he's old and he had it coming off an ACL tear and didn't help that he had some footage of him on a boat handing out peeing cocaine. You know, maybe maybe not the most. focused guy of all time. I got a question maybe his motivation in the offseason.

It doesn't smell right to me, and I'll take these other receivers. I mean, I get the upside, but it's not enough upside. I feel like I'm just wasting a draft pick at that spot. Age thing, injury thing, bad offense, bad team overall thing. I'm not a, I don't know. what's to gain by taking him in the eighth round. There are the dudes around there that I like more. I don't know.

I might find myself in a position where I'm like, oh, I definitely need the, coming off the ACL, this is like so tough, dude. I know he's moving well, but you know how that works. Like, you're going to be 80% of what you were the first year back. Maybe you get all the way back eventually, but he's also fighting age. So I just, I don't know what there is to win by taking him in the eighth. It seems like, I don't know, pretty big swing, minor win. What are you guys doing with Rashi Rice?

He's a tough one. Liked him and then the suspension stuff, you know, the new hearing time came out, and I'm like, yeah, this, it's too hot to handle. I don't know where I'd be comfortable because there's Not a number on it. Let's see where he is. I wish I knew how the legal system would play out. But, and then it affects Xavier Worthy's draft price because I was completely out on Xavier Worthy. Then I'm like, well, maybe not. Maybe he is worth.

6.11. What are we, people keep saying four or eight games and let's just say he split the difference. You say he misses six games. I'm not taking him that high. and he's also coming off an injury too the thing that scares me about him is not necessarily the legal system but like how the NFL has decided to handle it his hearing is until september 30th which is what week four or five assuming that you get a ruling which is not guaranteed then you're looking at what six to eight games say it's six if you know the arbitrator doesn't rule until

two weeks after that now you're talking about him starting his suspension in week six or seven like then it just completely nukes all of the money weeks and so he's a guy I like a lot but he's much closer to off my board than I am drafting at cost I think he has to get down to Jerry Judy range before I'm like for she rice or Jerry Judy maybe Rishi, then Divo's right there in that range too. So that's a whole round later than he's going. So drop another round and we'll talk. Theoretically, he could be a good chaperone guy where if you've got a bunch of rookies

that you're waiting to break out, you drop Rashi Rice on that kind of build. I could see it working. It scares me. Since we're spitballing names here, and Al-Mondral just keeps slowly sinking. Are you guys out on him pretty much at his ADP or are you in? Where's he out? Somewhere in the middle. Yeah, ninth overall.

It's pretty high for him, man. Yeah. Yeah, he's a really high floor, but if, I mean, we're all talking about other pieces of the Detroit offense that we're excited about. And if those guys are going to be taking a step forward, it's got to come from somewhere. And so I think if the new O.C. is going to put his stamp on the team, he's probably not going to be doing the same thing that Ben Johnson did for the last three years, which is throw it to Aminra. Or the offense is a whole taking a slight step back because they don't have Ben Johnson, you know. That's the other thing that I'm worried, and the offensive line slightly regressing, which makes like, you know, for me, I'm just like just trying to be rational about it.

Just like, okay, let's just say take a little bit off of everybody's expectations in a Monro's, I thought were lowered, but it looks like it's a little, it looks like he's getting a bit of resurgence in the draft scene because I did not see him this high just a few days ago. So it looks like he's people are, are fine with him. I mean, look, he's a monorice, St. Brown. They're obviously going to make him a focal point of the offense. But I don't think he's going to be Y-R-receiver 1. That's for sure.

And if you're drafting 9th, then you're anticipating getting, like, Londoner Pooka back in the second. So it's either you're stacking, so you have a little bit of insulation, or you're just straight up, like, let's go Ashton Jinti or something. So, they're owed, remember, remind myself who they're a coordinator, is it that Morton guy? Mm-hmm. I did, yeah, Morton, okay. I did look up him at the day, and I think he's coordinated one offense in the NFL for two seasons. It was the Jets, and they won a total of nine games in two seasons. Now, Cade McCown, or one of the McCown brothers, Josh McCown, and it was Sam Donald's

rookie season where the quarterback so um a bit of an excuse there but still that doesn't inspire much if you're banking on lions to kind of be the same as they were last year i just wouldn't expect that all of these things we're talking about is like what makes receiver so tricky this year whereas the last couple years it was the safe cozy you know position for me and this year and it feels like there's a lot of landmines out there. Sure. Puka is one of those to me just because of that back injury and the competition for targets. And like, I mean, look, Gropolo is not as bad as some people make them out to be, but those targets aren't coming.

I mean, Stafford and Spafford and Kua, some of the biggest layup targets you'll ever see, just like it was with Cooper Cup. But I'm not sure Gropolo is capable of running the show. like that at that pace so puka is just he ends up being a guy i'm not drafting really in too many scenarios because his whole the whole his whole schick is catching um you know these little seven-yard hooks i think two um bits of news that came out this week was that gives me like a little bit more confidence in all the past catchers are blacko being named the starter in cleveland and Daniel Jones being named the starter in Indianapolis.

I don't expect either of those guys to hold the job all year, but I'm at least like, okay, maybe I can take a Josh Downs. You know, maybe David and Joku is perhaps not the worst pick, you know, in that range. Did those news items move anything for you? A little, but the thing with Flacko is that how long is he going to be quarterback for, you know? it's half the season maybe yeah i yeah it seems like that's yeah half the season sounds ambitious so uh i guess i'm as mike always says i'm okay losing out on on some positive fantasy players and just go in another direction and playing my odds there all right anything else on receiver

no just draft tutt draft matth take ten Yeah, don't be an idiot. Grab one of those dudes. They're going to win you leagues. Awesome. Okay. Well, that's how I receive a preview. You now know what to do.

We'll see on the next one. The action is the juice with Mike, Chuck, Ninfitz. You're number 10. And we have made it all. all the way to the one Z positions, the quarterback and the tight-ins, which I am now seeing I misspelled tight-ins. That's how late it is in the night, corrected now for anybody checking. Yeah, unless you're some kind of sicko and you want a two-tight-in league or something like that.

Or a Super Flex League, which is super popular at this moment. yeah i don't i don't know i don't have a ton of takes about quarterbacks i have guys that i like guys that i want to take later but it's kind of the top four is solidified and kind of sat down and anchored down and in where they go uh at this point in time and and i respect it i think those dudes are are pretty legit whether or not joe burrow can crack into that that room and make an argument for that but there's definitely a top five so um I usually look towards the later guys to try and get some value where that second QB that can make a little bit of a little bit of edge for you, kind of in the mold of Jaden

Daniels last year. I know it's easy to look back and say that, but I was saying that at the time as well. So, yeah, how are we feeling about quarterback as a whole heading into this season, Chuck? I am a disciple of the church of the late round quarterback, not just J.J. Zacharison, but just the fact that it is so replaceable and the scoring for many, many years has been so tight together that there really wasn't value in taking one super early. Last couple of years, the elites have really separated at a position, and you're seeing this year quarterbacks go in a range where there is a noticeable talent drop off at the other skill positions.

And so I am open for the first time to taking an elite quarterback. And in a home league, I am absolutely fine popping a quarterback in the third or fourth round because it just really does give you a weekly edge. And so if I'm not doing that, I'm probably going to be the last guy to draft quarterback in my room. Yeah, I like sitting around for a long time, just as I told Fitz a couple of years ago, just like, don't even turn to that page until a certain number of rounds in that you're comfortable with and going, you know, it's not fill out all your starters necessarily before

you get to the quarterback position, but I don't know, I'm just going to hide that page for myself and not go, because I will, I will look up and go. As you all know, hey, why is Patrick Mahomes still here? He's supposed to be better than this, right? But then he's not. It keeps being not. So what's your theory on how to approach quarterback fits? I probably couldn't have said any better than Chuck did.

I mean, but being like, you know, specific here, like, you know, I think most people have a top six and then have a huge cliff. And Lamar, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz, Patrick Mahomes, Cliff. and then it's just a po-pery of guys like i think a lot of people kind of have slotted bow nicks is that seven guy but who knows i mean like you said earlier it's probably his ceiling uh at seven or eight um maybe for the rest of his career you're jared goffs or baker mayfields or karlah murray's there's a big pocket of like 11 or 12 guys that it could all interchangeable and if that's the case and you believe that then you might as well just wait you know wait it out and

and get the value and save those, save that money or save the draft capital, depending on what kind of league you're in, just wait and pick off, you know, if you're in an auction league, it's anywhere from a $1 to a $3 guy. And in a snake draft, it's a 10th, 11, 12th round maybe, even a 13th round guy. They're going to get a guy. It's just as good as somebody got taken five rounds ago. Yeah, I'm seeing where it happens. in drafts right here, which is, you know, some of these dudes that I don't mind are going late 8th,

which means I'm going to pop my head open up about the 8th round and then 9th round. I'll start considering taking one at the earliest, I think. So, okay, well, let's jump into our guys here in just a second, whenever I get that pulled up for us. And boom. well that's last year's let's not do that one uh standby standby standby fits are there any quarterbacks that you are actively avoiding at their adp or auction cost honestly baker mayfield same i mean as soon as you and i both yeah both have a soft spot for baker but how do you how are you going to

the ceiling because a lot of his production last year was all the touchdowns and we've talked about how all of his past catchers are just withering right now yeah Liam Cohen's gone and he's just gonna there's just no way and he threw a ton of interceptions last year too I think he led the league in both touchdowns and interceptions but who's expecting the lead in touchdowns again not not this guy I think I haven't been nine I'm not sure he may be more like more like eight but Yeah, I think it's, I haven't about in the same ballpark, but I'm just not, it's not going to, I'm not going to take him. I'd rather take the guy with maybe some rushing upside or a guy like Jordan Love who was injured most of the year last year and people are sleeping on him. A Brock Purdy who's got the easiest, one of the easiest schedules in the league this year.

He should walk into a top 10 finish, um, uh, pressing, biting hard and maybe even taking a Tua because of their past schedule. It's supposed to be really super, super easy, um, even. a DAC, you know, Dax going to throw the shit out of the ball. So, yeah, not a ton of fades, but Baker's the one where it's like you can, and maybe even a Jared Goff might even fade him as well because you're banking on, I mean, he didn't finish that high last year and he had a ton, and he had a great season. So if he can't, if he, if he's going to scale it back offensively, um, there's no reason to take him as high as he's going.

Yeah, I think the Baker Mayfield outlier season of, um, touchdown percentage. is a pretty easy one, Doug, to point at. And that's, quarterback is kind of like that, right? If you're going to throw for, which, did he have for 40 touchdowns last year? Like, yeah, I want to say it's insane, but. No, that's, it's as insane as it sounds, it's true. God damn, 41. That's nuts, dude.

Yeah, it's not going to happen again. This is absolutely not going to happen again. So, quarterback's not that difficult. just find the insane touchdown percentage guy and go like probably not happening it again um the guys i do think i'm willing to take or willing to at least uh entertain the option of um this season justin fields is a full time installed as a full time starter on an NFL team um i don't know how long it's going to last but in the weeks that justin fields plays i mean the dude has rushed for a thousand yards not that long ago um and you know i don't expect him to pass for

do you have a 3,000, 1,000 season or anything like that? But I don't know, 3,500 combined and, you know, enough touchdowns is really fun for your fantasy team. So, I mean, the only, I think the fantasy community appreciates Justin Fields, the NFL absolutely does not as a starting quarterback. That's why he's landed with the Jets. Michael Pinnock, Jr., I know he's old. I know he's left-handed. I know a lot of teams passed on him, or enough teams passed on him at the top of that draft. I think there's something there.

I really think there's something there, some juice to that offense and enough weapons and Drake London, Calpits, Pejohn Robinson, where that offense is going to be fine. They're going to score enough. And he's going super late. So it doesn't really scare me back. You all touched on. a minute ago if he's just healthy like every time

Dak is healthy he's why don't I take that guy you know a top six quarterback and then Trevor Lawrence throw Travis Hunter into the mix Britain Strange another year that offense is gearing up pretty nicely the offensive

line does worry me no doubt about it but Trevor Lawrence is ever going to fucking do it man it's got to be got to be now and if Liam Cohen can't do it with him and And Travis Hunter and BTJ, like, I don't think it ever happens. So any, any disagreements there with the quarterbacks I've, I've pinpointed. No, and I love that you brought up Trevor.

I mean, you nailed it perfectly. Like, this is it. I mean, any key, you can run for a little bit. You could probably squeeze in a few running touchdowns. But, yeah, just having these weapons around him and Liam Cohen didn't take long for Baker to adjust to it. And I can completely see Trevor Lawrence catching on quickly. Yeah. I don't know. How many touchdowns you're going to throw for? I mean, bank him for 25 at least, baseline within that offense. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of his problem,

his touchdown percentage forever. Um, yeah. I, I don't know what the number is, but it's got to be, I don't know, you can't copy and paste the baker numbers onto him to be fun if you could, but I don't know, just give him a league average like touchdown. percentage yeah and I didn't want to actually mention one quarterback I didn't mention when I was running it down was Kyler I know people are out on Kyler but he is coming off in a full year removed from his ACL tear and he actually has a good offensive line number 12 on this list and which that without a doubt the best offensive line he's had played for and I tweeted something out I think it was a

I don't know nine or 10 days ago that when he's had a bad offensive line he's not finished very high in fantasy when he's had a good offensive line he's actually done pretty good um you know not the largest sample size we're only talking six NFL seasons i think but um i'm willing to bank that if he has just an average group in front of him that he can make plays because he's had like really like bottom i think he's had a bottom five offensive line three maybe four times he hasn't had much to work with and he's got another year in the system another year with Marvin harrison uh with his tight end like uh oh you know i'm plus we know the the rushing

upside is always going to be there with Kyler so and he's just being really easily overlooked and he could he's one of those guys that could easily slip and fall to you at a really low um you know around around nine or 10 that's very possible to catch him and something like that so i would that's something i would keep your eye on um as people are falling asleep in drafts chuck tell me why uh play drag may is going to be worth that pick so he was a guy that had a multi-faceted skill set cut out of college he will run got a big arm pretty accurate and so all of those things are still in play upgraded weapons and one of the things that really came through in JJ Zacharyson's draft guide this year was that second-year

quarterbacks as a group take a big step and their ADPs in that start of that second year are not really reflective of it and he's a guy that the industry is kind of coalesced around does anyone else getting yeah well i think the stream was breaking up a little bit for a second there so let me yeah let me just throw it to the drakema thing again and it will We're just freeze that there because you are, you are freezing and Fitz froze and I froze for a second there. So let me just, I'm not going to restart. I'm just going to give it a second. I do pause.

Okay. Everyone looks to be alive still. Okay. All right. So Chuck, tell me why Drake May is worth the late round pick. He's a guy coming out of college. that had the ability to both run and pass big arm, upgraded weapons. And one of the things that I took from J.J. Zacharyson's draft guide this year was that

second year quarterbacks as a group usually take a big step forward. And he's still being priced around his finish last year. And he's just a good profile bet. And so if that offense takes the step forward that we expect, his production is going to weigh out pace his ADP. Sixth in rushing yards per game for quarterbacks last year. Shockingly. Yeah, that's a fun little, fun little trick to have.

Yeah, I'm a big Drake May fan. I just, I think we're going to get a little Drake May fatigue with a burnout by the time he's actually good. Like, I think he's going to get there. I think he's got the skill set. I don't think the team is good enough yet. I don't think the offensive line's good enough yet. I think a year or two down the road, like,

Drake May is going to be a legit, like, I don't know. I don't want to say like Joe Burrow kind of prospect, but he's that type of dude. But you don't get this price on him if you're on time. You only get this price on him if you're early. So I see the appeal. And maybe Steph Diggs can make it work. Okay, cool, cool.

Let's jump over to tight ends, if you don't mind because we talked on Trevor Lawrence, and yeah, I'll start because it's me hosting, so I get to do that. Brock Bowers, wherever he's going, every year for the rest of forever. like let's do rock bowers um tyler warren uh is my second guy in this list i i kind of feel like i'm taking crazy pills with tyler warren uh in that he is going to be the entire colts offense i feel anything good that happens in the colts offense is going to work through him and he's a guy that's used to getting an insane usage insane target percentage out of his whatever offense he's on, whether it's lining up a running back or quarterback or catching the ball, they're going to figure it out pretty soon, and that's their best chance to get points on

the board for that kind of floundering offense that the Colts have. He's just a bees, man. I don't know what I'll say about Tyler Warren. He's in that rookie stack that I really want to take one of in every round. Jake Ferguson seems like easy money. When he's healthy and Dax healthy like yeah print paper with that and then Harold Fanon is a nice late round dart throw for a dude that was basically the best wide receiver in college football last year on a bunch of different metrics actually plays tight end whether or not that team can get him the ball or is good enough to have an offense that actually matters we'll see but I think worth a shot there anybody going to fight me on those picks i was going to say uh picking bowers uh i mean

for me it's the draft capital like you're you're really you're really given up a pretty big pick there to i mean i guess in a ppr yes i could see it but if you're playing half ppr standard he's too hot to handle for me um i'd rather take one of the other two um really just mcbride honestly um but yeah obviously we all we all know how much we had a love fest with brock bowers last year we all know he's maybe the best tight-in prospect um maybe ever and yeah he's great but i'm that price man you guys are jumping all over him huh it's a wait he's going to what mid-second and some of these things late second i can't that's why i put him on my list this year because i think yes he is the greatest tight-in prospect of all time he had an incredible rookie season not

necessarily from touchdowns but from just target volume and you think that sustains i do and i think we should be valuing him more as a second year you know not breakout but have project him to take that next step that we see with second year wide receivers and i think we should be valuing him that way because he's going to be the engine of that passing offense. I am just highly suspect that he's going to get the same kind of targets that he got last year because clearly it didn't, like it didn't work for the offense. Like they had shit, shit quarterbacks and they were like, well, what are we going to do? Let's just throw to Brock Bowers because we don't have any running backs.

We don't have, we have one other receiver to throw to. not like they beefed up a receiver but also like it was i'm like i watched it i was like these are stupid like what they're doing is stupid like yes it's great that i have them on my fantasy team and racking up fucking points like nobody's business for a rookie but it's not really good for football and i don't know if that's sustainable you know different quarterback different coach different philosophy i think you're really banking on a lot of repeat there with bowers when i just don't i can't imagine he's going to get that kind of target volume again um and have that kind of production that's that's my stance on bowers obviously i love them but i think it's it's it's it's a lot of whack

for me yeah and i'm there's definitely some projection built in to to my you know stance on him i think with upgraded quarterback play of which gino is definitely better than whatever they were rolling out last year um with a guy who's never going to threaten him for the number one you know targets in that in that passing game jacobie mire's just going to keep the trains moving on time with better coaching and in a scheme that's going to should be playing fast i'm excited and i think there's lots of reasons to be so all right fits you want to i mean chuck and i have redundant guys and bowers and tyler warren uh do you want to jump into andrews and colston loveland and uh making sense of that uh crowded chicago bears passing game yeah yeah

Andrews is more, yeah, I know we cut a lot of touchdowns last year, but he's not really getting over, he's not getting priced out because of it. Everybody's, everybody's expecting regression. And then I looked at him last year, and he got off to a slow start because he had that car crash he was involved in. And I don't really see much of an improvement on their passing game around him. He's still, to me, the go-to guy for Lamar Jackson. And as long as he's blocking and way better than the, I'm blinking on his name, to lively likely likely i was going to say i'll say lively derrick lively uh but yeah i say

likely is is strictly a pass catching guy and he's not on the field at all times where andrews is basically he's it you know he's their guy so um and at his price it's not too bad you know it's 80 i think he's somewhere in the he's seventh tight end going somewhere in or like seventh or eighth round right now that sounds right that sounds actually kind of a little cheap for me and Yeah, if I want to get some pop-it tied-in before it just kind of gets to, you're just throwing darts. He's definitely my call there. And then Colston Loveland, yes, yeah, crowded, not only in crowded receiving room,

could be a crowded tight-in room, but he is the best tight-in actually overall, like, you know, for this, I think he's the best tight-in prospect this year, even better than Warren. I love what he's got. He didn't really get a whole lot of options. He didn't have a whole lot of targets. when he was playing in Michigan, not much of a passing game to speak of. But still produce some pretty good numbers.

And they do like to third. Ben Johnson loves the third of the tight end. And if he ends up finding that he just falls in love with Loveland, as opposed to commit, I mean, we saw what he did just a few years ago with Sam Leporta. So I'm just more of an upside play for a guy that's not going in the top. Where is he going here? 112 level and does uh yeah 123.5 11th round first pick is what uh yeah yeah i mean proz hasn't met upside upside play and and hoping for them in there yeah and i love pairing

somebody like a ferguson or an andrews with one of these rookies because it just you can see the handoff like you know Ferguson or andrews are you know really great for the first half of the season then the rookies emerge if you don't get one of the elite guys i like grabbing two in this kind of middle range same yeah i've been i've been lost in uh ffpc world for the last couple weeks and uh i did not realize tyler warren is going 903 in uh in in normally drafts um he has risen 11 spots which is very impressive uh of recently last seven days but ninth round tyler warren out side of this uh my uh my little you know biodome of tight-in premium uh existence over an f fcc behind ingram behind tucker craft uh behind in joku i'm going to get a lot of

tyler more in regular leagues it kind of feels like um yeah there i mean there are definitely some dudes on the tight-in position that i'm just like i will never ever draft but that's so it's so easy to say because it's like typically a onesie position um the guys that i'm particularly not really viving with in any scenario evan ingram uh i just won't own any evan ingram i won't willingly own any dalton kinkade if he's on an orphan team on ffpc that i adopted then yeah that's a tough one um maybe i'm just getting really old and uh and boring but uh dallas goddard seems fine i don't know why we can do this every year we hate dallas goddard so much uh and maybe i am a sicko but uh i'll take some zackertz late

like bucket zaggards is going to catch some balls um and be fine for a couple weeks especially in like something some kind of like best ball tournaments or something he is free he is absolutely free um so i don't know i'm a sucker for the tithe in position to begin with but i can find and make sense of a lot of good weeks here and here and there amongst these dudes that are going just like i don't know man around 13 plus um so i don't know my theory on tight end is you know if you don't get the elite elite top line um make bride kittle bowers then i'm i can see uh 10th 12th 14th round i didn't build pretty easily um and be not equally as happy and feel as equally as confident on it

but be pretty fucking happy about it um so yeah anything else to say about qb or tied end any any codes that we can crack i think if if i end up fields warren and the rest of my wide receivers and running backs are just like stacked that might be a little bit of a or one of these quarterbacks because they're all going pretty late on my list uh in warren and the and that leaves me the opportunity to stack running back wide receiver through probably eight rounds it feels pretty nice that feels pretty nice to have four or five go a five three uh five wide receivers three running backs hit DAC, hit Tyler Warren, I would feel so good about that team. That's not quite the confidence of Jaden Daniels, Brock Bowers from last year,

but I think that's unlocking your roster through later QB tight-in stacks. A pretty nifty trick. Who's the last tight-end that you would feel confident, like say things go sideways on you and you look up and I don't have a tight end like who's the who's the last guy you feel okay as you're starting tight end because I think it's Ertz or Hunter Henry for me. I was a pretty uh the end of the world right there. I'm starting Ertz in a league in a dynasty league. There you go.

Yeah I've had to make this silly decision. I mean Goddard is like kind of in there I mean I want two or three of these guys if i'm getting if i'm in that scenario but ertz does feel like it gotter kind of feels like it too um anything past that i'm like dude i'm just like wishing upon like several stars that i get six points this week so we had this we had this guy in our league in our big money auction league and he every year he just has a thing about just picking a ton of tight ends and like at the most you can start two he ended up i think with five tight ends on this roster. So when it came and when it, you know, in like two of the elite tight ends and like he's

just getting everybody and it's like a bit. Like he wore the shorts of the same color as the sticker that would be on the board of the tight ends. Like that's how, yes, yes, you're not, this guy is in my league. But the problem is when you want to tie in late and you're waiting on it, you get stuck with a guy like Kate Otten, which is what I ended up with my tight end. So I may have to make a trade at some point. But, yeah, that's, that's not, I'm not inspired by my Titan position there. But if you have any other, any other late, maybe that Mason Taylor guy that Matt Waldman said is going to be the best, second best scoring rookie tight end this year. Maybe I'll dart throw him and pick him up for $0 in free agency.

Yeah, I'm willing to try. I mean, all the rookie tight ends that aren't, you know, named Loveland or Warren, I think you have them. And then the first month of the season, you see if they do like anything, if they're just participating in football activities and running routes and getting any kind of targets. And then you just cut them, you know, cut them and move on if they have nothing. So not much invested and easy to move on from. Yeah, man. Take some hills still alive. Tayson Hill still alive.

Love it, love it. Let's wrap this thing up as our internet seems to be lagging. And I think we all need to get some rest. But I appreciate you guys. It's super fun for the 10th year. And I appreciate everybody that's watching on the Dumb Zones YouTube channel. I hope we help you win some leagues. you uh we made some fans um in in the meantime but uh thank you chuck thank you fits for doing this

for all these years um and uh yeah hope we win some people with some money and and and then win some leagues and uh i don't know i feel pretty good about this uh the stack that is laying out in front of us this year um and maybe we'll walk away with some money in uh in a main event or something so appreciate you guys have a happy football. Exactly. All right, boys.