The Dumb Zone FREE - Jason Gallagher says Cooper Flagg isn't a cure-all for Nico and our Diddy trial correspondent, Sarah Hepola | DZ 5-15-25

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Get every episode of The Dumb Zone by subscribing at DumbZone.com or Patreon.com/TheDumbZoneProducer for Mind the Game with LeBron James and Steve Nash, Jason Gallagher, joins us to explain why Cooper Flagg isn't enough to bring him back to Mavericks fandom. NFL teams released their schedule yesterday allowing us to wonder which city we'll travel to this season. And Sarah Hepola sits in studio with us to go over her latest profile on Post Malone and the goings on with the P Diddy trial (00:00) - Open: Pete Rose and HBO Max are back (20:24) - Sports: DZ trip to Denver or Detroit? (34:07) - Jason Gallagher: Not back in on the Mavs (01:15:24) - Sarah Hepola: Profile on Post Malone (01:46:49) - Big Thursday Viewer Mail Bag (02:20:10) - News: P Diddy trial begins (02:34:10) - VM birthdays/Today in History ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Hello! I'm professional broadcaster Dan McDowell, letting you know that you are about to hear one of our free podcasts. But if you'd like to subscribe at DumbZone.com, you'll get four shows per week, plus the weekend wrap-up and any bonus sodes like our Business Wednesday interviews. So, if you forgot how to use the 15-second rewind, that's DumbZone.com to subscribe. that's dumbzone.com to subscribe. Now on to today's program. You know I was talking to Joseph at Fair Lease the other day. Were you? Did you have a thing you were gonna start with? I was talking to him for a buddy of mine who has a small business but he's trying to rent or lease a few like new trucks. Talk about a fleet.

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they'll bring it there, from what I understand. At Fairlease.org, they will treat you fairly. The preceding and the following content are brought to you by No Puppet Productions and The Dumb Zone. Yeah, and I still don't really know what he messed up, so I'm gonna be like, what an idiot. Yeah, what a, he's so stupid. Haby, yeah.

How does he not know that? I knew that. Well, I'll admit, I didn't know that, but it sounds Latin and it sounds Popey. But when he said, we have a new pope, he's from Chicago, from the South Side, Haby is Pope-um. I thought he might have been Greek.

I don't know. He's from Chicago. His real name is Habeas. Oh, dude. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. So do the open to the spot you were going to do. I stepped all over it.

What was it going to be? Did you have it all over it now? Hey, come on down to Fair Lease Text. No, don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Other than that's a solid company. Oh my god. Uh, hi. Happy Thursday. I'm Dan McDowell. I'm Jake Kemp. I'm Blake Jones.

Clayton Kimbrough is here. Some guy is here with Clayton. Some mysterious dude. Clayton refuses to tell us who it is. It's Clayton's boy toy. Back there. I don't ask questions. I don't care. As long as you get the job done. Clayton used to work in political media. This guy could be like an asset. I don't even know what that means.

We're a blood boy. Well like I know in other countries you know they are spies they'll have them work at universities and at like newspapers and stuff. So if you have a far-right media company like maybe sometimes they're like hey we got to park this guy here. He's from Lebanon. Sitting next to Blake is the very hot Adam Romo from Eatsies Market and Bakery. You wanna hop on that mic? Go ahead. I just wanted to sit uncomfortably close to me.

Yeah, I know, he loves you. Yeah, sit on the couch for a second. Yeah, go over there. Just for a second and tell the class why you're here last time he was here Adam Romo CEO He would lob don't know what they mean color comments from off-camera and then when we say why don't you sit over there? He's like no, I'm good. Yeah Well, I think it's my alter ego. Yeah, I've got to be very careful about my my public persona But I'm here to help celebrate the big guy's birthday.

How you like that mustache? I love the John Holmes look. Yeah, what do you think? Johnny Holmes. You know who that is? Porn star? There you go. At least the mustache part.

Jeez. I can't comment. I've been sworn to secrecy. I signed an NDA on Blake's wiener. So Blake, how's your birthday going? Great. Okay. Fantastic. Nice. Yeah, I was told by my wife that it was Blake's birthday. Jake gets mad that Blake doesn't tell him. I was like, was I supposed to text you this morning? Hey bud, it's my birthday. I didn't say anything about it. I simply explained what happened.

I knew it was because it's in my phone. I care about you, bro. Why? Why is it in your phone? In case I wanna text you at midnight, except I wasn't up. Yeah, you didn't. No, I wasn't awake.

Can you send a text to be scheduled? Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Then it could be like, hey Jake, I'm up early working too. Jake will always send these emails at like 4.30 in the morning. I think it was like 4.04 this morning.

I'm like, what is this guy? Like it's either getting done. That's pretty new, right? You're getting up early. I don't get up that early. Yeah, CEOs are up early grinding. And look at this guy, future CEO. It's either I send it and know that you guys

are gonna make fun of me for it, or I don't send it right then and think, I'll do it later when it's acceptable to Blake and Dan, and then I'll forget. So you might get a 404 email. No, I love it. Just catch up. I love it, man.

Hold on, I have to do five squats and dip my face in ice. Yeah. The birthday tradition, though, continues from Eatsy's Market and Bakery. Oh, we should have showed his cake before we cut it. Yeah. Big mistake. That's too bad.

Are we allowed to? Yeah, I don't know. It was a weird scene when the cake was delivered. Blake was kind of confused, and Annamarum was like, dog, man, you know who this is. There's a lady on the cake, and yeah, we're just gonna keep it at that.

Does she's clothed? You could DM Blake if you wanna know exactly. Sure. What the picture's all about. I'll tell the chat. Oh, yeah, that's safe. Yeah, do that. But even though we're in a world where you kind of don't have to worry about anything,

you still got to worry about some stuff. That hasn't changed yet. There are things that are back though, and I'd like to announce a couple things that are back. I don't know if you saw this. It's very exciting. And today we have cowboys and, what are we doing with Jason Gallagher? Yeah, Jason Gallagher. Sarah Kepela.

Formerly of the Ringer and friends with like Steve Nash and LeBron. He's an anti, or a never Nico guy. Check in with him. Sarah. We talked about things that are back. What are some things that are back? John Gruden. Mustaches. No, don't put mustaches in there.

No? No, mustaches have been back for 10 years and really back from COVID. So Trump can't claim that one, but- F-slur, R-slur, perhaps. Yeah. Columbus Day. Columbus Day for sure.

A number of mountains and bases have been renamed, but Columbus Day was the best one. We're putting them statues back up. They're right now like gluing together Robert E. Lee's face. I think you were predicting Dodgeball, which I think is a really good pick. Thank you. It's not back yet, but it is on my list of predictions.

I think we keep score in youth soccer. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's not a huge deal but everybody knows this is the referees say the score. In like six year old. Six year old. Yeah. That's clearly too young for a score. Pete Rose. Maybe in Europe or something. Pete Rose. Pete Rose is back bros. Yeah. He's on fire dude. We've been waiting. I mean, we're a month, two months removed from the Trump tweet. I guess we're a couple months removed from Pete Rose dying, which brought about the Trump tweet.

But he was like, I will see to it that Pete Rose is reinstated and eligible for the Hall of Fame. And everybody's like, what are you doing, dude? You just see Pete Rose on TV and fire off a tweet? Yes, and now he's reinstated. That's what I'm saying, that's what's so funny, whether it was Alcatraz, it could be anything,

it just floats through, and he's like, what are we doing with that? I got another thing. Okay, this is a good list. HBO? HBO is back, bros. I was gonna throw that at you in the news today. I just don't understand. Like on one hand, maybe it's,

I've been thinking a lot about people that I, in my life, were like, I think that person's a bad person or incompetent, and then it's like, maybe they were a genius. So HBO, HBO Max, it seems like the most failed rebrand marketing plan ever, but somehow every 18 months I know what they're doing. They've changed it like four times now.

Well, have you seen them on Twitter? The actual company? Yeah, HBO Max. They're leaning into it. Like take a look at Twitter. Let me see here. Where's Twitter? Let's get off that.

That's an adult site. I can't be looking at that here at work. We're in our downtown Dallas, uh, Fox four studios. Yeah. Sorry. I burped up a little salmon and broccoli there. Ooh, it's salmon burger night too, isn't it? On your birthday, have you ever had a birthday

with salmon burger night? What a day. Probably six years ago or something. No, that's not that unique of a story then. You think Jasmine should know what we do for a living and what time? Jasmine is... Just, it's okay. is just calling me right now.

Jasmine does sales for us. I think it's okay to call and leave somebody a voicemail. To call knowing you're gonna leave a voicemail. Is that back? I left a voicemail the other day. I don't know, but I don't think it's bad. I would never leave you a voicemail because I would think you would never listen to it.

We talk too often, but I called Chappy and I left him a voicemail. And dude, let me tell you. There's a guy who loves a voicemail, because I would think you would never listen to it. No, we talk too often. But I called Chappie and I left him a voicemail. And dude, let me tell you. There's a guy who loves a voicemail. He's got an alarm set every day that just says, check my voicemails. Let's see. Uh, anyway, they're just leaning into it,

like really making fun of themselves. Like they're retweeting things that they're saying, HBO Max is rebranding again. So they retweeted it or quote tweeted it with a picture. Maybe this is a meme I'm not familiar with that says, oh, let's make fun of the girl who took a risk and put herself out there creatively. So like, the point is that the social media portion of HBO Max is having fun with making fun of HBO Max and I think that's a great bit. That is a good bit. You know, we saw yesterday a lot of that. They did a Superman meme, like the Spider-Man meme, with HBO Now, HBO Max and Max

all pointing at each other. HBO now, HBO Max and Max all point at each other. Somewhat funny. Yeah, well, I don't know that it's funny, but I think it's good that they're trying to do what they can with it. This is what makes you feel even worse for people like those that work at the MAVs. There's just nothing you can do.

Do you know the- Like when you're forced to tweet as a brand and everyone hates the brand, that's gotta be tough. Yeah, nobody hates HBO. Right, it's just kinda funny they change their name a lot. No, I give credit to the Mavs social media team for plowing through, but they can't give a nod, acknowledging, but everyone,

I look at Mavs Twitter way more often now, cause I wanna see the comments that are like, hey, we got the number one pick, and then the first comment is like, F you, fire Nico. Like they don't, that's the way I kind of feel. Uh, the one where it's a very famous meme where there's like a two kids, I don't know, they look 18 or so at the festival at a festival and the girl is like yelling something at him and he's like just looking all real beaten

There are two or three of these out there one of them is the guy at an Astros game with sunglasses on talking to the hot Yeah, he's in her he's over his mans painting stuff to her There's another one of the guy club. Yeah yelling at him and he is disinterested as she's yelling HBO is a premium cable network max is a streaming service that houses content from many brands, including HBO. All HBO series stream on Max, but Max series do not air live on HBO. Both are owned by Warner Brothers Discovery,

which plans to rebrag Max back to HBO. It's funny. And they're leaning in, like I said. I like it. Yeah, that one's funny. You called this from the very beginning, by the way, because as I checked the time capsule on April 13th, 2023, Dan predicts Max will be changed back to HBO Max.

What day? April 23rd? April 13th, two years ago. Wow. So as soon as they said, hey, we're changing to Max, you said they will change back to HBO Max. Good call. Hey, thanks man.

It's an oracle. Speaking of that, if we're doing callbacks, DropBeth did it again. She found us talking about whether we would think the MAVs lottery or the NBA lottery was rigged or not. If the MAVs became the flag capital of the world. So I like it. That's, do you think they'll lean into that one? I don't know, I'm giving them options. Tag Tom Brennan on it. And put your flag in the flag capital of the world. This was from April 7th. So well after the Luka trade,

but every day we wake up and we think about the Luka trade. Okay, so there's three games ahead of. Yeah, they're gonna get in. Okay, let me now bring us back to reality here. This is us talking about, you were assuring me that they will make the playoffs. Yeah, I think we still had Kyrie at this point or no? I don't know, but.

Yeah, I mean, that was a pretty big, at that point. Here, okay, so there's three games ahead of. Yeah, they're gonna get in. The Suns. That's amazing. It really is amazing because I thought, if I'm to believe a conspiracy theory for the Mavs, it would be that don't worry, you're going to get Cooper flag.

We'll make this happen. But then you guys got to do your part and miss the playoffs. I mean, do you know how like, what are the odds for the number one pick at pick 13? Very, very very very low? I mean, but what are the odds that anybody would trade Luca Donchich? And she found us on April 24th He the people he's firing or getting rid of our white and The people he's bringing in or not. I know it's so it's just tricky.

Something to look at folks something to look at. It's tricky. Gotta keep Cooper flag now that'd be great right he passes on flag. That's the only way I'll believe this is an NBA conspiracy is if they get the number one pick. Pretty cool. Kind of cool, but I don't want Nico around for it. Really though, if they get the number one pick, this is then a conspiracy and I will never not believe that. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't care. Let's just... Just don't care about Nico anymore and I predicted that that's how I would feel and I do feel that way. Yeah, I'm still not on board I don't want I just don't want good things to happen to Nico. We were in the car yesterday doing some promotional video. Oh by the way for the The dumb zone generic summer event brought to you by qualis roofing Wow, how about that? Oh, by the way, for the Dumb Zone Generic Summer Event

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The Local Shacks at Austin Ranch. Okay, you're reading. The Local Shacks at Austin Ranch. That doesn't count, you're reading it. What are we counting towards? I don't even know what we're, Local Shacks at Austin Ranch. That doesn't count, you're reading it. What are we counting towards? I don't even know what we're, anyways. Just mark down that I'm winning, Blake.

You're always winning. And I think that's crazy because that first one you said was in April and Kyrie was well done by then, so I'm very surprised. I thought they'd still make the playoffs when Kyrie was done. Didn't this season, what'd you say the first one was from? April 7th.

Wow. But remember the suns were reeling. Yeah, but it did. The wind was blowing in a certain direction, but. Well, fail by me. I was thinking about the Mavs last night and getting mad. So I guess we'll save most of that for Jason Gallagher. But I was listening to like the low post,

Zach Low was in the room when the lottery happened. I've read a lot about how the lottery works. Honestly, previously, I can't tell you that I knew. Post ping pong balls or like, I didn't understand the mechanisms of those four balls and each person's assigned like the last number. I just don't know how they do it. I can't wrap my head around how they'd pull it off.

There's people in the room while they are pulling the balls out and figuring out like which team is coming, is moving down and coming off the board. It's Ernst and Young, right? And they would never do anything. That was a very funny Twitter thing yesterday. They would never do anything.

Are you accusing Ernst and Young of fraud? They would, absolutely not. They've been investigated by the SEC. They would never do anything. Paid tens of million dollars in fines. But even if I, listen, if you're thinking you're gonna have a tough time convincing me that some corporate asshole company can do cheating, they do cheating,

I know they do, what I'm saying is how? How did they do it? And then our physicist friend in has been emailing me saying this is not as unlikely as people are making it seem. You see a 1.8% chance and you think like, oh well that's, but I think his point is that taken in sum, you were saying yesterday, like look you've gotta, you can't just say

like the lottery 17 times, he's saying that over time the expectation if you participated in 17 lotteries that you would win one of them Even if it was 1.8 percent every time which it wasn't is roughly 25 percent Hmm I'm gonna believe him Yeah, and I don't know I mean it It still to me feels like the coin flip thing. Every time it's 1.8%. It doesn't change the next time you do the ping pong balls

because it's now 1.8% again. But I suppose if you add them all up. Yeah, I don't know. I've read his emails and I'm just, I think I understand it but then I don't. But the point is, I don't know how they do it. Even if it were a 50% chance, but they wanted to make sure of it,

I don't know how they'd do it. But I still think they did it. Me too. Hashtag me too. Is that back? That's a good one, yeah, yeah. Hashtag me too is back for me agreeing with Jake. Today, as we slide into some more sports is the last day I believe that you can protest the property tax bit on ownwell.com

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We do have a Cowboys schedule release. We also have like all summer to kind of go over that. Did you want to do anything else before Cowboys schedule? Yeah, I just wanted to give you one quick heads up because I'm obsessed with Jock Peterson right now. They said what's in the cup? Oh, is that just playing? Is that on me or you? Okay. The last time we talked to Jared I looked and he maybe it was two weeks ago he was the worst offensive player qualified offensive player in all of baseball. He's making a decent amount of money but also more than anything they're guaranteeing they have to play him.

And when he plays, he hits third or fourth. What do you mean they guarantee they have to play? Well, they can't DFA him. Like his options are such that with a veteran player like that making what he's making, he's gonna get every chance to try to figure it out. Yeah. And so it's been awful.

It's been terrible. It's been terrible. It's been an absolute hole in their lineup. And like our friend Tim on Twitter loves, I'm gonna pick an arbitrary date because it's just one of the times where he didn't go over like he did for two months before that. But we're on about a 10 game heater here of him hitting at like a 975 ops rate. Oh the first before

the last 10 games it's 320 which was the worst in baseball and for 10 games he's actually been hitting and this is not an underdog fantasy spots day but I'm telling you this because I accidentally won a substantial amount of money on underdog fantasy over the weekend. By betting on him? By betting on Wyatt Langford to go yard, and it was Friday, right? It was right before the show,

and y'all were mad at me because I was betting before the show. And I won like five or 600 bucks, and so now I'm betting on every Rangers game a little bit. And last night, I took over one and a half for Jock Peterson's total bases. Underdog's just like multiplier parlay, so for a bet of 50, had Jake Berger hit a home run,

I would've won like $900. I got my other three things. It also kept me watching, because Jake Berger was due back up in like the seventh inning of a game that was way over. So, Jack Peterson hit it. So, this hot streak, does that help

when you play the Rockies? And yeah, I don't think the Red Sox were in a great way pitching at that time. Or maybe it was more the Tigers. But yeah, the Rockies are, but the thing is is that while they hadn't played the Rockies before that they had played like ten other teams And he hadn't gotten a hit in ever against any of them. Yeah And then yeah the thing that you heard start to play there the Cowboys in their schedule release

Really weird move because they they didn't have a pre-produced schedule release like a lot of the other teams do and like the Cowboys have before. Of course they've had Post Malone playing beer pong. They've had Taylor Sheridan from the Yellowstone universe who Jerry's all into that shit. Oh yeah, he was on it. He was on it and Landman.

Or was that the one he was on? It was Landman, same thing where where they had like tryouts for Taylor Sheridan shows. We've seen a bunch of this stuff. They did the ASMR one where like for New York you just bite into an apple. Yesterday what they did, and I don't even think I understood what was happening when it was happening, but the Cowboys yesterday had something called on their YouTube channel and on their website, America's Stream. And they were out, it looked to me like they were at Cowboys Golf Course, and I know that's where Dak was when he was talking to the ticket during the campground.

So you've got C.D., Micah, Osa, and I wanna say Tyler Smith. And they're on camera like walking a golf course for four hours doing silly little challenges. None of them are like funny at all. No. It's not funny at all. But in the back, while they were shooting it.

It's among the worst schedule release videos I've ever seen. Yeah, so I guess what I'm trying to establish is when they were doing that stream, I don't think everybody knew like they were, I think they thought they were going to release the schedule at the end. But what it turns out is in the background of the stream, little shots, they'd have like a little Easter egg. Yeah, there's like, oh, there's a piece of cheese sitting back there or a block of cheese.

Yeah. That is promoting Green Bay. Or it'll literally just be someone in the woods with an apple, but you gotta zoom in, like none of the players noticed it. Of course, it's just a complete give up. The stream by itself, I think, is a good idea. I think the team should do that.

Like, you set up a deal where CD and Micah and Dez and His Day or whatever we give them some GoPros and they go play golf for three or four hours and we put it on the the team YouTube channel. People will watch it. Get it sponsored, people will watch that. I wonder if we could do that with you and Chappie this weekend. Can you can you YouTube straight from a GoPro? There's a way to do it yeah. You can do it from your phone. You can do it from your phone. You can do it from your phone, yeah, if you have the right internet scene.

Yeah. Would you at least do like a 10 minute? Go live. Go live on YouTube just with you and Chappie? Or on the Gram. Aren't you golfing for Raymond's software? Yeah, it's gonna be me, Chappie, and Saroy. Did you get some listener to join you?

No, we didn't. Really? Mm-mm. Oh, unbelievable. I got emails from, we didn't. Really? Mm-mm. Oh, unbelievable. I got emails from, you didn't see those emails? No responses. All right, he's joking now. Okay.

Yeah, so I don't think I knew during the stream or whatever that they were building towards this, but they did, and then it's like, here's our schedule release. It's very lame, honestly, so much so that they released another one this morning. It's like even more of kind of a give up. Oh, that might be the one I've seen then. Just a two minute, two and a half minute version? The two minute one is where there's somebody sitting down

and there's somebody above them in the film room and they're making a noise, like, Mwah, Mwah! Okay, no, that's the new one? Falcons, they're like, no, like, Mwah, Mwah! Okay, no, I didn't, that's the new one? Falcons, they're like, no, eagles, yeah. That came out this morning. But I don't think that's good, either. When's the last time you did something at work

where you're like, I definitely crushed that, and the next day you were like, maybe a little more. Like, you know that it sucked if you, the next day you're like, I'm just gonna, we'll pad the stats a little bit here but there was one clip that came from that that I thought was kind of funny and it's of When Brian Schottenheimer enters enters the frame with the fellas They said what's in the cup?

It's a shoddy Tito's little tea water, water, three lemons. Shottie. Yeah, it's a Shottie. Shottie McLovin. I like it. You hydrate while you have a good time. Yeah, we got to hydrate and heat up.

It's hot. It's about 100 degrees out here. It's so hot. That's why I'm not playing. That's why you guys aren't playing. Tight, tight, tight. It is. It's a Shottie.

Hey, you got to stay inside. Now you're going back out? Yeah, we're going to catch you on the course. All right. I'm on. Listen to it. Tight, tight, tight. It is. It's a shotty. Hey, you got stayed inside, now you going back out? Yeah, we gonna catch you on the course. All right, I'm on it, dude. All right, Nate's got him. All right, hey Nate, take care of him. I don't wanna have to hurt you, brother. Yo.

So that's kind of the feel of what the whole day was. They're just hanging out, not really being funny. But that was until Brian Schottenheimer entered the mix. And I just want to say, you know, I mean, Jason Garrett won a lot of games, Mike McCarthy has skins, but we haven't had like a true funny guy, you know, as the Cowboys head coach in forever. And we haven't tried that yet.

So now, you know, we get a guy who can give you a tight five and he knows shoddy shoddy. That's a good little wordplay. So I think I speak for everyone here at the dumb zone when I just say how fired up we are about Brian Schottenheimer and his ability to form relationships. That's what it's really all about. They've, when you talk about the great ones like That's what it's really all about. When you talk about the great ones, like your Vince Lombardi or Chuck Knoll, or it's all about just relationships and vibes. There's very little tactical.

Yeah, everyone's doing this. Well, we could have a tactical shoddy. That's good. Thank you. That's so good. It's better than what shoddy came up with. Thank you, my brother. Tactical shoddy, that's his riverboat run,

or analytical run. So if indeed he does draw something cool up in the dirt. Tactical Shotty, I love it. Tactical Shotty. Yeah, but he doesn't need to though, because he's got capable, long time storied coordinators like Clayton Adams. No.

Run game coordinator, Arizona Cardinals. So, you know, I mean. He can't always reach deep into his soul and summon the spirit of Marty. That's what's so strange about this, is I feel like you should be willing to give Marty's boy a chance. Yeah, Marty never went to the Super Bowl,

let alone won one and what about the game before? He's kind of a he's kind of thought of like oh for instance when he took over the Browns he really wanted to run the ball Blake so he loves running the ball that's when they had Kevin Mack and Ernest Beiner both go over a thousand yards. So he had two thousand yards rushers. They didn't need to throw it downfield. I respect that. Let's get back to the basics. As far as the schedule is concerned, certainly we are working feverishly behind the scenes to come up with our live stream broadcast schedule.

They're giving us tons of, like we could just do every night game and you got seven. Yeah. Or is it six? I can't remember. And there's no way to find out. But we were also kicking something else around yesterday that then I woke up and it's in my fantasy group chat where the guys are kicking around what game to go to this year. And Vegas is high on the list. Of course. One day night game.

New York, high on the list. And I believe our list, at least, who was this? Yesterday, you? Said you're eyeballing Detroit and Denver. I think those are the ones that would be the most fun. Vegas is Vegas, and I'd love to see the stadium one day, but everybody can do Vegas. New York would be great, but it's week 18. Yeah, we have a lot of... we found that we seem to have a lot of

listeners in New York, and that would be cool, but... New York jumped out at me. They probably suck. It's week 18. Who knows? That could be two teams vying for the the basement, or two teams vying for the number one overall pick in the NFL draft. Did the Cowboys want to stay undefeated at that time? They may play everyone. I don't know. I don't know if I can make it three more months of this with you, but I think the Denver thing,

we eat, we love we eat and stuff, but it seems like we get as much email from there as anywhere else that's not in Texas and maybe some places in Texas. So we got Gallagher ready. Oh, okay. So yeah, it wouldn't be a horrible thing if just if you're in the Denver area and if we did like a Friday Monday that weekend, would you go? Hey, before you introduce Jason Gallagher, let's just mention Community Mechanical. They are a supporting sponsor

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and could this even be true? He sent it to us. While the stars are in the playoffs, anyone who says that they are a DZ listener and buys a new system gets a sit-in and two tickets to the star's next playoff game. Ostensibly at home. I don't think he's paying for you to... No, I think he'll send you to... to sit in and two tickets to the Stars next playoff game. Ostensibly at home, I don't think he's paying for you to. No, I think he'll send you to.

Who's Vegas, Edmond, I'm not sure. Well that says it's a new, that's dated 5-14, he just sent that yesterday? Unbelievable. I know. He said, happy birthday Blake, and then sent me this copy. Guess what? I don't wanna spoil birthdays later.

Today is Travis's birthday. Wow. How about that? Wow, so for his birthday, text him and buy some air conditioning stuff. For preventative maintenance. At least sign up for that. Yeah, why not?

Summer's coming, bro. Did you feel that yesterday? 469-667-729667290 community.com where's Jason Gallagher probably LA or somewhere on the West Coast I don't know hey Jason how are you today what's up gentlemen how are we doing fantastic fantastic what Dan asked me how you introduce yourself professionally today. Golly, that's a great question. I think lately it's just been producer.

Sometimes people call me a director, but that feels weird for a podcast. That's actually my title for Mind the Game, is that they call me a director. But I guess that it's such a, it's a podcast that involves so much managing, I'll happily accept that title. So that's kind of where I'm at, right?

Producer, director, somewhere in that zone. Okay, so of course, Mine the Game is the podcast hosted by Steve Nash and LeBron James. So are you present in the room while that conversation is taking place? Do you set and kind of leave? What's your approach to the talent on that? I'm usually in the room, in some way, shape, or form. To get Steve sort of integrated into the process,

I'm always sort of a little bit more on his side. We've been doing remote shoots and so I'll go to Phoenix and sort of prep with Steve, make sure he feels comfortable, good, everything like that, because he's new into this whole media space. So yeah, but we've done a few and we've done most of ours in person and I'm usually in the room with both of them. Yeah, it's fun. It's great. Man, that's wild. So you're from here, right? Yep, that's right. Huge fan.

Born in Houston. I say born. I was born in Houston, but moved here when I was like four months old. As fast as you could. It's fantastic. Huge Mavs fan. Obviously, like all of,

98% of us that aren't just doing bits, we're pissed, we're not coming back. I'm gone from this franchise. They can't do the worst trade in NBA history and then expect me to still pay any money to go see one of their games or buy a shirt or do whatever. Although I did have, it was verbal, but I mean, I bought an MFFL shirt years ago and wore it proudly and then I don't know that- You're in breach of contract.

I am in breach of contract. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm in that area. And you were like everybody, right? You're out, you hate them. Well, hold on real quick. It's not everybody anymore. And that's kind of why I wanted to-

Well, no, but I didn't want to say at the time. At the time, yeah. It's like 98% of people. That's why I want to ask, is Jason Gallagher, huge Mavs fan who was out, is he back? Are we back? Hell no. Because I'm with you.

The no is, look, Nico Harrison, can you cuss on this? What are you talking to? Why? Just talk like a normal person. Gosh darn it. All right, Nico Harrison, Nico Harrison, bumble fucking his way into the number one pick

does nothing to change my perspective on Nico Harrison. In my view, you're, I think you logically have to be in two camps, which is one, you think the lottery is rigged, and therefore you might actually be back in on Nico Harrison. That's the only way I could ever see anybody being back in on Nico Harrison is if you buy this concept, which I don't, that the lottery is rigged. Okay, so if you think the lottery is rigged and then Nico was this mastermind or whatever, I could see how you could kind of logically get behind that. If you don't think the lottery is rigged, then I don't see how...

Like a guy, you know, going to Vegas and getting 19 on Blackjack, it's saying hit me, getting 21 is like a sm- that's not smart. That is not smart and that is not good GMing. And that guy's still in charge. And you know, I have a picture in my office of Jalen Brunson holding up a Mavs jersey next to Luca Dodgers holding up a Mavs jersey. And I'm like, y'all really want this guy in charge of your young prospect?

Are you out of your mind? So no, I am not back. Wholeheartedly not back. Yeah, in a weird way, this is why I wanted to have you on is because you're much more a part of the hoops world than I am or we are. We're kind of spread out.

I view you as like probably the most prominent national figure that is a Mavs fan. Like there's like Nick Wright or guys who are like, hey, I think Luke is this or that, but Jason's a Mavs fan. I just wonder, it seemed to me like based on your social media, a lot of people were giving you shit about that. Like not even just like 10 follower fans of like, oh, you're just out, like a lot of people were giving you shit about that. Like not even just like 10 follower fans of like,

oh you're just out, like a lot of people almost seemed hurt of like, we're losing Jason Gallagher. It seemed like a lot of people didn't understand or couldn't believe where you were coming from, and I experienced a little bit of that myself. Yeah, yeah, I mean I really do think that the situation is extremely unique to Dallas and you it's really hard to explain, I think sometimes to people outside of Dallas in an

hour, also in our sort of generation, like there is kind of a window of people that have a very specific relationship to the Mavs organization. Obviously it's professional sports and, you know, there is no real loyalty. Like anyone with half a brain kind of knows that that's the truth. But Dallas, you know, somebody told me this, that I thought it was really smart, which is like pro sport,

in pro sports, the best way to win people over is to be able to tell a good story. Dallas had been fortunate enough to fall into this amazing story and build this narrative along with their fan base, which is, you know, we have these figures and we build around them and we trust them and we go through the lows with them and we continue to watch their journey and the fulfillment comes from seeing them reach the mountaintop despite all odds, right?

And again, I would venture to say most fan bases don't have that kind of perspective. You know, like if you're a Miami Heat fan, you don't have that perspective, you know. So but that's very unique to Dallas. It's very unique to, again, our generation of fans. So that's sort of where it all sort of stems from is that you really broke something that was really crucial to the heart of what it meant to be a Mavs fan

that I'm not sure even results, like on court results can actually fix. Like somebody was like, well, what if he's right about Luca? It doesn't really matter to me if he's right about Luca in some ways because of the, you know, you have, you have so many stakeholders that you just completely gave the stiff arm to.

And so, so I, I can almost understand why people don't understand, but it is, but that's how being a Mavs fan, especially, you know, early odds through 2011. And and after the fact is a huge part of my sports fan identity massive like y'all like that's why I work in this industry. I mean, my first entry point into the industry was was a musical. Like I went to Second City in Chicago, wrote a two and a half hour long musical about the NBA lockout that was that was partially inspired by the fact that Mark Cuban and Dirk Nowitzki couldn't

speak to each other at the ESPYs after they won the title because of the lockout. And I was like, oh, wow, this is like Romeo and Juliet. And that's what made me go, okay, so I started to write this thing. You know what, like it formed so much of who I am, that it was such a fucking insult to like years and years of being a fan, that I was like, you know what, I'm out. And by the way guys, I live in Oklahoma City, I live five minutes away from the arena.

And again, I'm starting to see the pieces of what they're building here. But the one thing I know is that like Sam Presti has a deep, deep respect for his fan base, like deep. I know it for fact. That to me matters a lot. So anyways, that was a really long-winded answer, but that's where I just feel confident. And if people don't like it, that's totally fine. But yeah, I'm still out. Do you subscribe to any conspiracy theories? I really don't, but they're becoming harder and harder to defend.

Yeah, that LeBron clip from McAfee was making the rounds again the other day. Which, what was this? Well, he's talking about the lottery and how coming out of high school was so important to him, basically just not to be an F-up. And how important that was

because he was going to Cleveland or staying near home. He's like, oh, so Cleveland has the number one overall pick? Oh, hmm, okay, that's interesting. With me at the top, I understood the assignment. He made it sound like he feels in some way like the league made sure he got to Cleveland. Now the Cavs also had like a 20% chance at the 1-1 that year, tied with someone else. But that still means there was an 80% chance they wouldn't and they did. He also mentioned like Chicago and Derrick Rose.

and they did. He also mentioned like Chicago and Derrick Rose. Chicago, Derrick Rose. And I didn't realize at the time until TC was telling us that actually Chicago had a minuscule chance that year as well. And Derrick Rose from Chicago all of a sudden, you know, down since Jordan left. So I don't know either.

It's just, it's like you said. One of my least favorite things, by the way, which has been a huge internet thing is like, I just, the people that are like, you're telling me Ernst and Young would do this. And I'm like, guys, I don't think anybody, that's like the worst defense of all of this. Honestly, I just, but I will say it's, I think there's the, the reason why this is a little bit of full circle for me, the reason why I don't buy into it is because I have no faith that human beings can keep a secret and that many human beings can keep a secret.

That's kind of where it all stems from. As somebody who sort of like has been a little bit on the other side, like so when we started Mind the Game, like it was a very pure thing. And then, and then JJ Reddick gets hired as the head coach and everyone is like, oh, well, that clearly was the plan. And I'm like, I swear, now that I'm on this side, like you have

like so many people just like things, just shit happens. Like I have no other explanation. So that's probably a little bit why I'm just like, I don't think it's rigged. But I think the fact that there is 0.000 good explanation for that Luka trade, that's what informs why so many people are like, this one's rigged. Do you know what I mean? Like it's the only explanation is, well, I guess the NBA really wanted Luka in LA. Yeah. And I mean, if nothing else's it's taught me to fully just embrace the sports black swan event because I would prefer that Nico

Be relieved of his duties that would be insane But now I rule nothing out, you know There's nothing that could happen in the Mavs front office or anything that would surprise me. Just look at the last You think that would be insane? I don't think it would be I think it would I don't think that would be insane? You think that would be insane? I don't think it would be, insane's got the right word. I don't think it would be insane to do it. I think it would be insane if it happened. Just the way that people are talking right now.

I mean, I've conjured up a series of events where I think Patrick Dumont could pull this off and come out looking humbly, like somebody looking for a fresh start and people desperately would comply or quickly comply because the one-one makes it that much easier. And the Cooper flag thing is interesting

because he's not gonna be viewed as a Niko pick. You know, he's such a slam dunk that people will be able to disassociate a little bit from Niko and throw themselves fully behind Cooper flag. But the problem I have is next summer after I've watched 75 games of Cooper Flag and I know a lot about his game and I find myself getting excited about it,

now I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope Nico Harrison can go out and kill it this summer and go get him a combo guard. And I'm never gonna be able to do that and feel good about it. I'm just not. But like I've said, I'm happy for a lot of my friends. People that work here, people in the Metroplex.

It's better than him not being here. But for me, I am more upset because, and this thought really upset me last night when I had it, I am almost positive that in Nico Harrison's mind, this is the universe correcting itself because he's a good person, and he's the type of guy who makes bold moves that no one else will,

and fortune favors the bold like Nico Harrison. That's how they got the one-one. That's the part that drives me crazy, and it's not just because he's religious or whatever, but I bet he thinks, hey, look at the luck the Mavs had for the last 20 years. Look who was here, Heathens, these wild men, you got a man of God in here now,

a man of conviction, and I'm being paid, I promise you he thinks that the Mavs got that pick, he doesn't say, well it's probably just luck, shit happens, he says, this is the universe paying me back for all the, I the work I take. I'm Job basically. Like I swear to God he thinks that. And that's hard for me to wrap my head around.

I completely agree. I completely agree. And sort of back to your point. So I'm fully, fully aligned. And it's funny when you talk to anyone outside of Dallas and you're like, yeah, this is their perfect opportunity to get rid of him. And they're like, what? And I you're like, yeah, if this is their perfect opportunity to get rid of him. And they're like, what?

And I just say, like, all of the stuff you just said is exactly what I would say. And the only thing I would add is I, the only thing I disagree with is that I think that Cooper's going to be attached to Nico's timeline in a way that I think is really shitty and unfair to his development, because he is 18 years old. And now a lot of these Mavs fans are like, I told you like whatever. You told me what? Yeah, it is.

Yeah, there are Mavs fans that are doing that. And I would say that I don't know if it's right to think that Coober Flag can save this two to three year window. I'm not sure, because it's still a bridge built on rickety sticks. And the way it was at the end of last season, like it's still that same thing. And so if it, as you said, I think it's an opportunity for Patrick Dumont to do the right thing,

not just from a fan relation perspective, but I also kind of think to be able to build around Cooper Flag on a timeline that actually makes sense for him. You know what I mean? He's playing with aging superstars and with a GM who has a mindset to win right this second. I don't know. I don't know.

The one side of it is that he gets to play with talented vets and they'll be able to take the load off of them. The other side of it is everything else, whether it's the expectations regarding Luca, whether it's the save the city and the franchise and yeah, I mean, I'm very interested to see how Nico moves and operates now because there's just so many externalities. There's so much noise around him. There's so much, but he very easily could be a GM

who's trying to chase things. Like what was the old Worldwide West quote? I think it's from a Simmons column many years ago where they were out at like 2 a.m. and Worldwide West told him when Bill wanted to keep going, and he said, you never chase the night. Yeah. And that's where I feel like Nico is about to be like,

oh my God, I'm back in. That's how, that's how I think. I'm back in, what if I just go crazy? Yeah. That's how I think Nico got hired too, by the way, is that the Cuban's so obsessed with trying to build through the free aid, through free agency. Like he's so obsessed with getting the credit of signing the big player free agency

that he's completely disregarded that we have entered an era where that kind of team building isn't really the way to do it anymore. Yeah, like they're not hiring a Presti protege. At least Cuban was. Exactly. It was boring. Yeah, because that wouldn't allow Cuban to get credit.

This is my long theory is that he had been told no so many times that he went to like the coolest fucking guy he knew and was like, you run my team so you can get these guys finally in the door. I mean, yeah. So the one thing that I think about a lot or I try to tell my buddies that are still like, again, I told you so, friends. I'm just like, okay, but imagine you had Cooper Flagg

and all this other stuff. You know what I mean? That's what I keep trying to tell people is it's like, yeah, I guess Cooper Flagg and AD, that's cool. But what if it was Cooper Flagg and Janis and Pix? You know what I mean? That's the scenario they could have had if you still subscribed to this logic that Nico knew what he was doing all along. It's like, well, a good GM would have had and all this other shit. When you get into this level of the weeds

of trying to defend something, you have to, when you do the butterfly effect, you keep some stuff the same and you change other stuff. So the parset would have supported you, you're like, well that would have been, that would have been the same, but the other, we definitely still would have got the one-one, but I don't know, man.

I don't even, I don't know where we go from here. I- I'm with you, I think it's, I think it sucks that Nico feels validated. I don't know what his leash is, I definitely feel like he feels validated, but I have no idea if Patrick Dumont shares that sentiment. I've been learning a lot in the last few years

that the reason I don't have a lot of money, it's not because I'm dumb, it's something else, because there's a lot of people with a lot of money who just seem to not really have a handle on their businesses. But I have to figure that at this point, Dumont is going to be looking at Nico every day, almost in a tell me what you did today way,

or somebody will be performing that role. Yeah, I think Rick Welch is gonna have a lot more of a handle on things. By the way, some folks that I know who know Dumont and have sat with him and have talked with him, they say he's not a stupid guy. Like, he's not a dumb guy by any means. I think he this was the absolute when it comes to basketball, he might be dumb, by the way. But but this is an absolute just perfect unfolding of events that happened to where you know he just trusted Nico and that was it and I think that this whole scenario I think

what's gonna be really interesting and I'm curious what you think what do you think they're still gonna be fire Nico chance next year for at least one game cuz I'll be there the Laker game but in general no I think I think they'll be they'll be a smattering of them but I mean you know even the Laker game I was at it was obviously you know very very vocal but you'd be surprised how many people who have season tickets maybe you wouldn't be surprised that are just like this is what brings me joy and I'm not letting anybody stop it. And that's what a lot of my friends have said to me,

don't let it be the thief of your joy. It makes perfect sense, except I can't enjoy it and it be joy. So you know what I mean? I would do it if I could. I would do it if I can. I wish I had a much, yeah, I wish I had a much less personal relationship with basketball than I do. And if I did a much. Yeah, I wish I had a much less personal relationship with

basketball than I do. And if I did, then maybe I would be like, who gives a shit. But there'll be some, there'll be some, there'll be some. And my, my theory, cause I was at that same game and my theory, cause it was pretty loud. My, my theory is just like any big loss, it will result in those chance. And I'll be very curious to see if he's able to even still sit in his seats, all that other stuff. Like all the stuff that when you say it out loud, you're like, this feels really obvious. If the GM can't sit in his own seats,

then maybe we can keep the GM around. Can't do a press conference, yeah. Yeah, like what are we doing? I definitely think, you know, we've talked about, you have a theory on hiring Nico, but we've talked about that he wasn't hired to be the GM. He was hired by Cuban. And Cuban was the GM.

So when Donnie Nelson, Cuban was the GM, but Donnie Nelson did a lot of the stuff, you know? Same with Jerry Jones. He's the GM, but Donnie Nelson did a lot of the stuff, you know? Same with Jerry Jones. He's the GM, but you know, Don, Cuban never wanted the title, so he hired Nico to be his public relations arm or his relationships arm, but he's got other guys doing, you know, the statistics and things like that. Yeah. So, so now all of a sudden Cuban doesn't own the team anymore and Patrick Dumont thinks, oh, this guy knows basketball. That's right. And so what we're dealing with now is you have a GM that probably has to double and triple-ly check everything with Patrick Dumont.

So now I think Patrick Dumont is kind of the shadow GM. Yeah. And that's because he's like, well, this guy obviously, this was a huge mistake. We're losing real money. But Rick Welts is right there. And I'm not saying Rick Welts is a personnel guy, but Jason's right. Rick Welts has been very on the scene. He's trying to help put out the fire.

It's not working. Everybody likes the guy. And he is one of the single most respected men like in basketball across the entire NBA and I've been saying I said this last year I was like why the hell is this guy sticking around like he has like a a very good track record like Dating back from work working in the league office to the to the Warriors stuff Like he's got an awesome track record and he's sitting here having to be like Mr. Firehose guy on the,

but this Cooper flag situation, I think is him being like, everybody, we need to fucking be right on. Cause I also have this thing where someone was like, well, would you trade the pick? I'm like, well, I wouldn't. But if I was Nico, I might, because I'm supposed to be on this fucking

stupid ass timeline. But Nico, I might because I'm supposed to be on this fucking stupid ass timeline. But but Nico, I don't think like there is a part of me that actually thinks that Nico might actually want to trade it. But no one around him is ever gonna let that happen. He's American, though, but he's white. Did you guys see the tweets that were like, the tariffs are so bad? Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had to go domestic with the rights. Speaking of tweets though, yeah, you're right. Rick Welts is now the face.

Yeah. Because they're putting out a tweet of Rick Welts coming home and everybody's cheering for Rick Welts as he walks in the door. They wouldn't do, I would love them to do that with Nico, but they can't. But Rick Welch kind of joined, he's been better at putting out the fire than Dumont was initially, and certainly Nico. But when he said that, you know what fans, I mean we had tough times in Golden State when we traded Monte Ellis, so I feel your pain. I feel like that put him right in the clown car with these other idiots that...

It did, and all I would say about him is that I think he's had a couple stumbles. The others have been nothing but. You know, like I didn't love that... Yeah. I didn't love that Rick Wiltz said, we just view it as a huge reversal of fortune. I was like, that's not how fortune works.

It's a weird thing with him. Why I've not been overly offended by his comments. It's exactly right. It's like if you watched his actual whole presser, like 90% of what he's saying is like pretty normal, I would say. He says some things like that, but that I think are his way of like an extension of like fans, I hear you a little bit. And it comes out clunky. The Monte Ellis thing, like I weirdly didn't get crazy upset about it because it's obviously not a one-to-one, but I remember that press, I remember that moment. And I remember how hated that organization was.

And so I could kind of see a world in which you go, I've I've seen fan vitriol like this. You know what I mean? That but but he he that that's always going to come out clunky when you try to relate to fans and you try to say, hey, like, you know, stick with us, you know, blah, blah, blah. Cause it's, it's openly acknowledging that, that, that they broke a code. You know what I mean? And I think Rick Welts fully understands that they broke a code. I think Rick Welts, if he had any knowledge

of the situation would be like, you cannot do that. I mean, I've spoken to people on the Lakers that are like, yeah, like, Luke is a superstar. He can be difficult, whatever. We're fucking getting rid of Luca for. Right. That's part of the game. It's part of the game.

And it's also like an automatic competitive guy, even out of shape. Like all of the bullshit we read and see and all of that stuff It's it's still and like he was still in the playoffs. It still came down to the wire He's always gonna be that kind of guy at least for the next few years And if he's on your roster you do have a chance and there's only like five guys in the entire NBA where that's true Dude, that's the thing that if you're if you do that, be like you're either LeBron or Oscar Robertson or whatever. All that you're doing, leading the entire NBA in playoff,

points, steal, every stat, right, last year. If you can do that as a fat tub of goo, imagine once you stop eating McDonald's fries on the way home and all, like every 28-year-old or so does, like Dirk, our hero, all of our heroes, he admittedly, I mean look at Dirk's, look at those pictures of him drunk with nash, damn it, like they would have traded Dirk. Absolutely, he was not serious. He was not the hardest worker. All kids except LeBron.

I'm not saying that stuff didn't bother, I'm not saying that stuff didn't bother Nico, but ultimately it didn't matter. Those were ways in which he wanted to exert control, and that control was not landing. That's all it is. Now he's got an 18 year old. He's got a guy who he wanted to be in charge of,

who was in charge of him, he got pissed off. The first call I wrote after this all happened was right after I had finished the World War I book, Guns of August. And my positive spin was like, you know, when people used to fuck up like this back in the day, like 20 million people would die. Like when some guy was just like, God, I hate that guy.

I'm gonna do something wild and I'm not even gonna tell anybody about it. And then if some guy hears, he's like, you better not do that because a bunch of shit is going to go wrong. They just did it. Now it's just, just wrecks our fandom. Let me give you one more thing on the Rick Weld social media posts where they're all clapping for him. And then he says like a bad joke and everything. Ah! Like, you know, it was the Mavs facility. So yes, they all were told this is a mandatory meeting. The Mavs employees, I mean, they can't get enough, like just what, just if you see a Mavs employee in public,

just buy them a beer. Like, really. Thank you for your service. I feel bad for you. Thank you for your service. And I, like the cat,. Like, no, I feel bad. I feel bad for you. Thank you for your service. And I like the cat, the guy, the cat meme where he's just like, I'm going to get you out of there. Like, that's how I feel about my friends at the Mavs.

Like, I just, and I, and I really don't, I hope that it's all sunshine and daisies, but this is the NBA and shit happens. And I don't think a, I don't think a 1.8% chance at an 18 year old is gonna solve all the problems, but we'll see. Yeah, but back to that post, cause I told you before I go to, I love Mav's Twitter now. Like I would never usually click on them,

but now I gotta read the comments. Yeah, yeah, they're good. Yeah, well, did you see a gotta read the comments yeah yeah they're good yeah well did you see a lot of the comments Rick Welts got the Trump Buddha judge treatment there is like oh cool I hope he's celebrating with his husband tonight because that's what Trump Trump just the offhand yeah loving relationship his little bike with his husband riding on the back man it's on the handlebars I honestly I'm so bummed out that's an exaggeration but I interviewed Rick Wells with machine and then I got expect yeah I knew was good I

got edited out of it but I really feel like he and I vibed, I knew I was gonna have, I got edited out of it. But I really feel like he and I vibed quite well and I wanted him to come in here. You're the Luca of the show, because they edited Luca out of all those. I wanted you to meet him, like dude, I read, I prepared so hard for that interview and learned so much about him.

I mean, that's, that was my, I was really curious. I was really curious to see how, if he stick around but I'll I think one of the things that you know my sort of parting wish for the Mavs if I were them. I went to thunder nuggets with slightly bias on his Twitter personality obviously the fucking get like start talking to the people in Dallas a little bit more, bring them into your office. Like I've got I have a friend in New York that they hired her to like help clean up like their image and shit. And it's like, she didn't know anything about like she never been to Dallas, like she literally she never been to Dallas. And I'm just sort

of like, you need to start reach extending a hand to some of these fans that have actual followings and bring them in. Like, make up a fucking thing. Who cares? It's sports. Nothing matters. Just be like our director of community affairs. Yeah, whatever.

Just do something to show fans that you give a shit. Because even with this Cooper flag pick they have not done a single fucking thing that is like you are our priority that that has not happened and that's that's where I just keep coming back to like okay if I'm crazy then I guess Dirk's crazy what was that they need they need a scent for this situation because they they brought in since to cover the the scandal of the day, but this is the new scandal,

so it doesn't have to be a synth, you know, her, but. Call Bob Myers, call Bob Myers. I mean, maybe, but that's where the Rick Weld world really needs to be like, hey. What are you saying? Bob Myers, the former GM of the Warriors, the Arntellums. Oh yeah, yeah, no. if that involves getting rid of Nico,

I think that's one band-aid right there. Yeah. Right there, just getting rid of Nico. That would just be the, like they have no idea how much that would do for them. And they could get a smarter basketball person in there too. Here's my last thing to bounce off of you guys. Yeah. Last thing to bounce off of you guys. Yeah.

I personally hope that Cooper flag turns into the next Christian Leitner or Danny Farai or just something where he does not pan out. I want him to fail. I want this to be a failed draft pick because again, it will reflect kindly on Dumont. It'll help Dumont. It'll help Nico. I want this to Crater. I want it to not work even with the number one pick. Here's what I would say on that. My hope is that I kind of hope the Lakers win next year.

I think that that's to me the best case scenario. Of course. I have heard from folks that are pretty honest about the conditioning stuff or whatever that Luca has already begun to clean slate, like starting anew. This is the most, he's already in this mindset of changing a lot about himself. Now I've heard it before, but not from specific people that have been critical of him. So I'll say that I think JJ was trying to make a point last year. I don't have literally not spoken to him about it, but I do think he was trying to make a point in the playoffs by playing

five people and a half by saying like, we need fucking help. I think that the Lakers with a lob threat, like a legit lob threat, probably beat the Timberlake. That's how close these games were. And I don't know, I don't know. And seeing how the playoffs have played out in the East, have you guys pondered that for a little bit? Like, you like- Brunson and Rick?

But not just that, just like the Pacers might actually make the finals. Could you imagine a healthy Mavs team against the Pacers in the finals? I mean that's what I was saying the other day is I think that about everybody. Now Tatum is Tatum. I actually would have not even wanted that to happen if you had Luca, but that's the only team. What are we doing, Golden State? That's why you don't kill a contender. Because anything can happen in the playoffs. Literally anything can happen. That's where I just go like, man, Oklahoma City might actually play the Knicks in the finals, and if that happens, I don't think that goes

more than five games. I really don't. I think they just fucking kill them. Because they have too many. And I think that the more than five games. I really don't I think they just fucking kill Because they have too many and I think that the Mavs would have been a very similar situation Probably would have been emotional whatever and Luca loves to play down to his competition. We all know this so that's not even That's that you know But I just I mean that that's why you don't kill a contender these playoffs are when I look at them and how they've sort Of unfolded with injuries and stuff like that, it's sort of like, man, what are we doing here?

Like what? God, golly. Anyways. Well, do you think you guys can win, you produce a podcast that might legitimately be able to win a Golden Globe. I heard that the Golden Globe is doing podcasts now. Are they really?

I didn't know this. Yeah, they are. Okay, if you got a podcast with Steve Nash and LeBron James getting millions of listeners, I feel like you're in the mix. Are you saying Jason has nothing to do? Why would you just mention those guys? I said if you're doing a podcast with, and then I listed. No, it definitely opens the door. But hey, I heard the Golden Globes are rigged as hell, and all you gotta do is go hang out with them for a little bit

and they'll give you the award. Y'all, I am open for lunch, whatever you need it. I will show up. I will FaceTime who you need me to FaceTime. Oh, let's see if I can get LeBron. Meanwhile, you just have the whole thing planned. You're like, please answer right at 432. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I I would with what what's an E what what do you replace the E got?

E E. Good. Well, I'm just thinking about it. I want Golden Globes. Tony, I got EGOP. There we go. That's what I'm going for. Has Nash told you that Dirk hates the Mavs now? He's not said that. Not directly. He has not said that.

He has not said that. No, no, no, no, no. Well, you could follow Jason Gallagher everywhere on Twitter. He wrote Hallelucca. He's great. He's on that roll. The reason why I love this show is that you guys just let it rip. The one thing I wanted to let it rip on, and this really informs a lot of, everybody has

their own personal story, relationship, whatever, with things. So Hallelukah is a huge reason why I've been a little bit annoyed with the Mavs for my last few years. And so there were these, so I'll just tell you a story. So I wrote Hallelukah, few days later, the Mavs asked me and Isaac Lee, who sings the song, to come out and perform the game, or during the game. So we did.

On our way out. They were like, can you can you give us some assets that we can flash around the arena while you guys are singing and make a whole thing? I was like, great. Yes. I at the ringer created all the graphics, did all the video, did everything. So it was just all on my laptop. So I sent it into them, performed the song, fantastic.

Things went great. The next maps game I go to, there are Hallelukah t-shirts being sold everywhere and the graphics are still flying. Every time Luka hits a three, they flash Hallelukah graphics across the entire arena. Jumbotron, the little, the thing that goes around the whole thing. And they did that the next year and then the next year until the day they traded him. Every time

he hit a three, they flashed my Hallelukah graphics. Now, that is what it is a little bit to me. I had a couple friends that tried to make a stink about it on Twitter whenever, I tried to make a stink about it on Twitter whenever, and my response to all of that was basically like, hey, my favorite team's using my stuff, whatever, it's cool, right? The thing that bothered me was that I, they basically took it without asking, and I would have to like beg, beg, beg, beg

to be like, can I come to a game sometime? I would ask for tickets maybe like twice a year, but it would be people being like, ah, I don't know, here, let me send you to this guy and maybe he can, but meanwhile, I live in Oklahoma City and they're like, you get two free tickets to every playoff game for all eternity if you want. And I'm just sort of like,

this is what I'm talking about here. And I know that's like a very like privileged point of view, but I am like, they outright took my shit and didn't care. And it's like the 15th time they had done that to me in the past. And I never raised a stink about it ever to anything. The only thing I wanted was like, if I wanted to come, could I like sit in the 300 section? Like, I'm not even kidding. I didn't care.

And they were just they were just like, No, we can't really do that on the record, but maybe talk to, you know, and it was just such a, I fucking anyway. So they, so whenever, whenever how Luca, whenever they traded them, I just package the assets and send them to the Lakers. There you go. I have zone owners. They, they, they will pretend they own it, but they do not know. You guys need to go do it at crypto with an updated Jason's parentheses Jason's version All right, but it's so good to catch up with you man look up Jason follows work does great stuff we'll talk soon man

Hey, Sarah. Hi. Is this on? It is. Sarah Hepple is here. I can't hear it. No. Hi, Dan. What are you doing? Dan, do you not like texting? Why? Did you text me? Oh, it's fixed.

Jake fixed it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Dan, do you not like texting? Why? Did you text me? Oh. It's fixed. Jake fixed it. And then he turned it down so low I didn't hear it again. Did you sext me? Well, I didn't sext you because we didn't really get far enough, but what I've noticed is that...

Dan doesn't text. That's what I'm waiting for. Jake doesn't text either. Like, whenever Dan texts me, I'm like, uh oh, is Jake in rehab again? Have you ever, have you ever sent a picture of your cans to somebody? That's a, geez dude. Yeah, sure, what? 100%.

Oh, 100%? Yeah. I just didn't know if they'd fit in the frame. I'm trying to give you a nice compliment there. Isn't that a compliment? I don't, yeah. Back in my day, I just hugged, I hugged everybody. It is, but it felt like you went a really long way for us.

We're just having fun. Yeah, I feel icky. Have you ever sent a It's too big for the camera. Sure of your junk? No. Would you? No.

Like what if it was like- Because you would have to zoom in. Could you do a zoom out? Jake, you're millennial, you're of that era. I feel like you're in the danger zone. I'm old, I'm elder millennial, I've never done it. But I mean, most my friends who- But you're never gonna say never.

No, I'm not saying never, but I have a lot of friends who are my same age, they just either waited longer to get married or they're already divorced. And it really comes down to how much was the camera involved in your cell phone and apps also before you settled down. And for me, I never online dated. The cameras I was using before I dated my wife were not.

Do you ever send a picture down there? What Jake's really correct about the technology aspect of this, that's really what is the hinge. Because, you know, years ago, like 2005, six, when this stuff started leaking on the internet, it was like teenagers are sexting, teenagers are sending pictures of their junk. They're so stupid, these poor teenagers. And then you scroll forward like

five to 10 years later and everyone I know is like holding a cell phone down in between their pants in the bathroom. And they got grandmas out there taking coot shots. There's golden girls sexting. There's no question about it Haven't you said at one point we're going to elect someone who's wiener is People have seen their wiener. Yeah, I think it's probably pretty likely unless there's some sort of like draconian authoritarian like backlash to Having a photo if you post a photo, I don't know like Feels like Baron will send one.

I feel like Barron's gonna be president. I do think we dick pics have peaked. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. You ever sent one? Of course he has. Sure, yeah, why not? Really? I mean, not unprompted.

Yeah, okay, that's the thing too. If they ask, are you gonna say no? That's a huge thing because I've gotten- You've gotten unprompted for sure. Unprompted. That's a very common thing for ladies. It's such a bad move. It's never a good move.

Never. I'm gonna say never. What if it's real impressive? What if you're like, whoa? I've seen real impressive. It's just, that's not what I'm gonna say never. What if it's real impressive? What if you're like, whoa? I've seen real impressive. It's just, that's not what I'm going for. I don't want an unprompted dick pic. What about like a shirt off pic or something?

Is that exciting to you or no? Weird. Okay, yeah. That's what I would think. It's just weird. Yeah, that I've never done. The shirt off. What about a bicep here?

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the Cowboys cheerleaders. Pre taking pictures up skirt, right? This was produced well before that. Well, that incident happened in like 2014, 15, but it broke after the podcast. Okay, yeah. Pre that we knew that it happened. It doesn't include that. You didn't talk to him about that. Little bump in the road.

Co-host of the Smoke'em If You Got'em podcast on Substack. True enough. And author of Blackout, Remembering the Things I Drank to Forget. You got it. I saw it on your bookshelf. That's so kind. Yeah, well, no, it's. That's so kind. Yeah. Well, no, it's I appreciate

the support. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your deal? What's going on? Are we are we going to talk about Post Malone? Sure. Let's do it now. So you went to the show? No. Oh, I wrote a story about his early years in grapevine. Because you know he grew up. Like wouldn't going to the show enhance that story? Like hey, then I went to the show. No, because it was a preview story, so it had to come out before. But he wanted to build a fucking time machine?

I want, you know what I want in that story? I want the fact that he wears a Brandon Aubrey jersey when. Well, in the story there's a photo of him with the specialists. Oh, nice. Wearing an Aubrey jersey. There's a lot of pictures of him wearing various Dallas sports jerseys.

I don't know that we've ever had a celebrity so supportive. He asked me, or no. He was like the Drew Carey of Dallas. This will tell you, speaking of Jason talking about talking to the Mavs, although this, he wore a Dirk jersey the first night I ever saw him post at Trees. It was the first time I believe he'd ever done a show like that. And that day, my friend who worked with him had had me reach out to the stars and ask

if I could get a jersey. And I actually texted Tyler Sagan that day and was like, hey, I don't know if you know about this kid, but there is one guy that you know that knows him. It was that Mike Studd dude. Remember him? No. Anyways, I tried to get a stars jersey for him that night.

And they were like, we don't know who the fuck that is. Wow. It was 200 people there. And I'm like, I feel like he's a big stars fan. Yeah, they were not having it. I was interested. Look at him now. I was interested that Jake went to that show. It was his first big hometown show.

You know, he had, he grew up in Grapevine. He had played at this Italian restaurant, this little red sauce Italian joint. Cafe Italia? Napoli's. Napoli's downtown. Oh nice, yeah. Big Napoli's guy.

And he wasn't even booked. He had this thing where he would show up with his guitar and then he'd sit there real nice and then he'd ask the people that were paid for the evening, like, hey, can I come up and join you for a couple songs? That makes sense now because Natalee's is a place that has music, that's where I was telling you guys

the last time I was there, the guy started playing the anthem at like 730 during dinner and everyone stood up and like put their hands over their heart and it was whoa we were sitting outside back on the street in their anthems it was just this is a few years ago it was very strange but yeah there is a little corner in a little Italian restaurant where they usually just have like a little guy with a guitar yeah yeah it's quaint no I used to go there all the time I didn't know in a little Italian restaurant where they'd usually just have a little guy with a guitar. Yeah, yeah. It's quaint.

No, I used to go there all the time. I didn't know that. Yeah, so he had graduated, went to Tarrant County College and worked at Chicken Express. And then he went out to LA because his buddy was trying to make it as a streamer. It's like the most 21st century story. So he goes out to LA, he starts playing around

with SoundCloud, puts this song, White Iverson, on the internet. Jay, do you remember when that song blew up? I remember, yes. Well, because I knew a guy who knows Post. One of my longtime friends, I haven't talked to him in a long time was post Manager sort of I don't know or mentor but it went from like 200 people had heard this song to 2 million in two weeks

It was crazy. Yeah, it now has more than a billion streams on Spotify. It was really weird It's a lot of people at that time thought he was a plant Because it just happened like that It was like where this guy come from Dan. Have you ever heard a post Malone song? I at that time thought he was a plant. Because it just happened like that. It was like, where did this guy come from? Dan, have you ever heard a Post Malone song? Probably not. Yeah, I really wasn't sure I had. You know, like, I listened to White Iverson,

it's not my deal. It's Trap, it's what's called Trap. Hell yeah. It is. It is. I had to go to the Urban Dictionary because there's a line called that he says I'm saucin'. Do you know what that means?

What does it mean? It's rules. So it's got a little sauce. Yeah. Okay, so if you look behind you, that sign behind you is not what it means? This rules. So this guy has a little sauce. Yeah. Okay, so if you look behind you, that sign behind you is not what it means? Look behind you. There's a sign back there. That kind of sauce?

Chism trail? That's not as much of a sauce, more of a... You don't feel that chism sounds like any other word? Oh, okay. That could mean sauce. Oh my God. What? It's so silly.

Silly? I'm gonna lose. Is that why the Chisholm Trail is up in your- Yeah, somebody stole that. Because it sounds like Chisholm? Way to put it all together, yeah. Yeah. We're not just like a big fan of the road.

This is a high level, deep, a deep thinking podcast. There's so many layers to get to. Yes, the term sauce is commonly used. Brilliant comedy. And so I listened to it and I was kind of like, that's not my deal. And then I would listen to his songs over the years and again, not my deal, but he just kept blowing up

and he's getting face tattoos and he was on the cover of magazines and wearing nudie suits. And he has like a raising canes of his own. Is that where he did his, didn't he have like a Crocs? Yeah, he has a Crocs deal. He's had so many, so he's been endorsed by, he's been sponsored by Bud Light since he was like 19, which is kind of crazy.

And Jake's friend told me that he had a Bud Light vending machine at one point when he was like 20 years old or 19. And um. A Bud Light vending machine. Yeah. That's funny. He's done like flamin' hot Doritos.

And funny that he was 19. Crocs. Well, he, you you know you can see him at South by Southwest when he's 19, like holding an open can of Lone Star on stage. And it's like, I guess TABC just doesn't care if you're performing? Nah, I mean I don't know, they've never,

I know, for sure, like the bands I used to go see that were 18 or 19, they never, I mean unless they were just drinking prop beer, but I don't think you're going to get in trouble for that. Well, he's a true Texan if he's drinking Lone Star Beer. Of course. That's what I have to say. Yeah, and he knows that.

But then he got the Bud Light sponsorship, and then it was just Bud Light all the way. Uh-huh. Well, he made a poor choice there. I would agree with you. It's a terrible beer. As a guy who is wearing Lone Star Beer hat right now. But you are. Which you could get at lonestarbeer.com, Sarah,

with 21% off with DZ21 as the promo code. Maybe if this were 20 years ago. Well, no, I mean, Jake buys the merch. I like the merch. I actually do like the merch, it's good merch. Oh, Dumb Zone 21, did I say something different? Anyway, it's Dumb Zone 21 is the... I just know Lone Star Beer and Lone Star Light. I don't get into the weeds on what exactly the promo code is.

That's for everybody to look at on our website on the promo codes thing. Anyway, Lone Star Beer is the best. And it's very cool. I just think it's the best. You know what I'm about to say is that I'm in the middle of a Lone Star Beer commercial and it's the goddamn best I just think it's the best. You know what I'm about to say is that I'm in the middle of a Lone Star Beer commercial and it's the goddamn best beer I've ever had. That's what I, the only debate I have is what's better, light or not. Well, you guys have persuaded me on Lone Star Beer.

Yeah, that's right. That's what we're here to do. 140 years brewing that thing in Texas. And they just listened to me. That's the national beer of Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Post Malone loves Lone Star Brewery.

Well, he's an interesting guy because- Why wouldn't he talk to you? You know, I don't know, but his dad talked to me through Twitter, but I think Post Malone's just kind of done with most interviews. He's in that stage of his career where he only does four hours on Joe Rogan. Yeah, yeah.

You know, and if that's not what you're offering, he's not interested. But to be honest with you, I don't know that I would have gotten anything. It was more interesting to study his life from the people that saw him and knew him and watched his rise than I think it was to talk to him. I'm always very skeptical that people are good

narrators of their own life. That's a good point. Especially when they've been doing it that long and they have sort of their certain talking points. That is weird. I don't know if you've ever noticed this Dan, but it's weird when you prep for an interview and then you interview someone

and even though you don't ask the same questions, they arrive at, okay, there's four or five things that I just say every time somebody asks me about my life. And it's not that it's like any less meaningful or it's just jarring sometimes where you'll say something and they say it back to you and I'm like, I've heard you say that four times over four interviews over 10 years.

You're like, oh, that's what everyone just does. You become like a poll string toy because when you do so many interviews over and over again, you just assume everyone's gonna start with the same question. Or they're gonna ask about this one thing. So you just have it, you just kind of go into that mode. Which is why those interviews are really lousy.

You know, interviews like that are lousy. And why I think people like Rogan better because he doesn't do that stuff. He's just sitting around bullshitting. So they're talking about Minecraft and UFOs and- Vaccines. Mushrooms. Yeah.

Or whatever. Yeah, it just might take two hours to get like a good strong 10 minutes sometimes. I found that when I listened to Rogan. It's true though, but you will get like something you won't get anywhere else. Nowhere else. Because they're in a different mood

and it's kind of like the old, I would imagine a writer going just to spend a weekend with you or did you do that with Post Malone? I didn't meet him. Oh you never met him? He wouldn't do the interview with me. Okay interesting. So the interview was sort of the profile was designed as people who knew him in his rise to fame. You should have done that when she did the feature on you. Oh yeah. Being a dirty drunk, she could have,

you could have just said, I just don't do interviews. And then she could have just interviewed all of us. Yeah, that would have been way better. And we could have talked about that. I would have been good. Then Dan would have to return a text though. I loved your interview with Jake. I loved the article. It was so good.

We did a playlet on it on the show. Oh my God. It was amazing. I love the article. So good. We did a play lit on it on the show. Oh my God. It was amazing. I was mortified, but like just because I felt bad that I might have written something that upset Jake. Not at all. Not at all. You know it's the number one story I had last year. Well, how about that? So all I need to do is hit a little lapsy lapse.

Build the whole paper out of Jake. I'll write that too. You can come on back. Yeah, there you go. I'm doing every saga. Let's do some viewer mail. Oh, okay. Or we can break or do viewer mail. It's up to you. Well, it's up to nature. I'm taking a break. Okay. Hey Claire, did you just get rear-ended by that truck and it wasn't your fault? I did. Cornelius Falcon, what should I do? Pick up your phone and start pressing threes, you ungrateful monster.

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Big 12 still makes me laugh That was a hiccup no still makes me laugh. No puppet. That was a hiccup. No, it still makes me laugh. I just knew you'd have a tie into this because Sarah asked, good break, good break. We had a lot of talking points, or topics. We're rating the break now. Yeah, Sarah was asking, why is there Eatsies here?

Do they just deliver us food every day? Right. They do not but today is a special day and I know you have a follow-up on this because today is Blake's birthday and I share it with somebody who Travis Gafford someone else it's right mom it's my mom's birthday my mom's 80th birthday what if Blake is Who? Travis Gafford. Someone else. Sarah's mom. It's my mom's. Sarah's mom's birthday. It's my mom's 80th birthday today.

What if Blake is your real mom? I've always thought that. And it's also the five year anniversary of when I got my cat. No one really cares. No one does care about that. No one even wanted to hear that. Cut that out of the-

Kind of, if we're being honest, cheapens your mom's 80th birthday by mentioning it in the same breath. Right, like this regal life lived, 80 years, eight decades of excellence. She was alive when they were slaves. That's probably like four, how many score is that? Four.

Four, four big ones, yeah. That's four score. And you got a cat. And you're like, oh yeah, and mom, you know why this birthday, this is really a big day. I feel like you guys haven't seen a cat. And you're like, oh yeah, and mom, you know why this birthday, this is really a big day. I feel like you guys haven't seen my cat. Well, I'm pro-cat. I thought you said you wouldn't text that.

Ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Yes. I did that once to somebody, I did that to a guy. Just the straight up. I was like, do you wanna see my pussy? Pfft! And he was like, yes.

And then I sent a picture of my cat. Do you think the guy really wanted to or did he just say yes? Cause like. You have to say yes. You have to say yes. If you're interested. I don't know that I really do.

Of course. I'd rather see your uptops, but all right. I'd rather see nothing. If you're supposed. Oh really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well. You don't like a nice uptop picture?

No, well, yeah, sure. But I would, if as opposed to the Bush shot, I would take nothing. Like if you're like, oh, I'm not gonna say no, send me an up top. Okay, up top or Bush. Yeah, I would rather see nothing. Okay, but then now you go, yeah.

Honestly, all I do whenever a woman asks that is I just ask them for a picture of a list of their favorite like books. Yeah. And thoughts. I ask them their favorite thoughts picture of a list of their favorite books. Yeah. And thoughts. That's what's important to me. I ask them their favorite thoughts. Well, speaking of that though,

so I'm on saraheppela.com the other day, as I will just do. Oh, wow. Were you logged in? Did you get the premium? I got the premium. The annual. Right. Where she writes- Behind the scenes

with Post Malone. She writes that she writes... I'm deceased with post-war. She writes that she's currently working on her second memoir. And I think I walked in on Book Talk. When's it coming out? What do we got? Well, working is, yeah, present progressive in the sense that I've been working on it for like five years. Yeah, I was going to say this was written in like 2021. Yeah, it's like pre-pandemic and it's still correct. It's still correct.

I'm still working on it. I am in the fifth draft, but maybe seventh, I don't know, of a book. It's due July 1st. I wake up at like three in the morning to work on it. So I don't know when it would come out because it has to be accepted first. So like there's a possibility I could completely flame out you guys.

I have a reason it hasn't been accepted, possibly. No dumb zone chapter. He's gonna ask you to go have sex with a guy you don't know again to start the. No, no, no, no, no. Well. No, she knows who I want her to have sex with. No.

Oh my God. Did you have someone proofread your thing? Because I'm on saraheppela.com. It says, I'm currently working on my second memoir, which will be published by The The Dial Press Random House. Yeah. And then it goes on to say, it will come out, I'm'm finished with it which is somewhere between now and the end of time. My point is do you have somebody I want to proofread your website and get the typos

out of there. You got it. This is bothering me. You're hired. And I want to tell you this I'm setting all this up just to say I got a buddy who also is working on a book. Oh. And he wrote a book. Okay. And he paid me. Oh wow. Or his company or somebody paid me to read it. Like as a preview. He said he has a couple of different people in his life

that he thinks are, that read lots of books and stuff. Is this a common thing that you say, hey, I want you? He has a word for it. They're called first readers, sometimes B readers. There's different industry terms for it. I don't know them. I don't know the slogan or jargon for it. I just know that it would be, you'd be well advised to hand your book over that you've spent, you know, two years, five years, ten years writing to somebody other than the one person whose job is to read every single book that comes down the chute and therefore sometimes is not paying the closest attention. So yeah, I mean,

like Blackout I sent to a couple of different writer friends at the same time that I sent it to my editor. When I'm done with this draft, I'll send it to a couple of people. Okay. And I think he's sending it to me just like not as a writer, like just a layman. Like he knows I like reading. And so I read his book and he also knows,

and you know this, that I will, if I don't like something, I'll probably tell him about it. And you know that's worked in my detriment many times. But sometimes it works out too. And this guy kind of wanted that. And it felt really weird because he's a very good friend of mine, but I did be like, oh, this chapter, but this one,

you know, bravo, the way it ended, it was great. Is that how you felt? Yeah, yeah, no, I thought there was definite lulls. I'm like, why'd you do this? Yeah. Because I almost tuned out. I didn't want to finish the book. I thought it was a terrible start and a wonderful finish.

Yeah. And he's like, you know what? I feel that. Well, that was incredibly smart of him to send it to a straight shooter. I mean, I think that if you're going to do that. But yes, I like that term, what you just said. You're a straight shooter.

You call balls and strikes. And I think that is the kind of person you need to send it to. Because I think a lot of people make the mistake of needing a sort of like, you're sort of supportive, validating friend that's like, it looks great, it's great, you look great, everything looks great. That's like Blake asks, what do you think about haircut? You don't have a problem, dude. And I'm like, oh, Blake, it's great, you look great, everything looks great. That's like Blake asks, what do you think about haircut? You don't have a problem, dude. And I'm like, oh Blake, great, great,

your hair looks great. I've never asked you about my haircut. What do you think of his mustache? I was gonna ask about the mustache. When did this become in vogue for your generation of men to start growing porn and cop mustaches? Pandemic? Yeah, we're five to seven years in now.

Yeah, it's more done to be for comedy, not looks, obviously. No. Over here it is, but in general, I think she's right. It's good look. It looks good. I think you're doing it for comedy and fun. I don't think dudes with mustaches

think they look good in a mustache. Really? Man, I don't know. Cause I go to, my daughter goes to college and I go to her campus and the mustache is back to us. There's tons of them. You know that Benson Boone, he's got a mustache. You know that Benson Boone, you know what I'm talking about?

Is he the new hitting coach for the Rangers? Yeah. Grant Boone. Oh, I saw this guy, Brett Boone, dude. He's like a huge pop star, and he's really big with the kids. He has like Freddie Mercury vibes. He's got major Freddie Mercury vibes,

that's why I love him. He does acrobatics. He does acrobatics, he did a flip off the piano at some awards show, you know, where Heidi Klum and some other MILF stood up and like ripped his tux off to show like a jumpsuit. And then he like got up on stage, walked up onto the piano and did a front flip. And I was in love.

It was just over for me. Send him a picture. Yeah. Oh yeah, wait a minute, Uncle Hotmail. This is gonna be brought to us by Early Bird CBD, Sarah. Can I get some samples? Did we give her some before? Yeah, we're gonna do. We'll hook it up.

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week I'm gonna do a gummy thought after early bird with all the advancements in technology, do you guys think that we still have a long ways to go or we will just always have something handheld that we use to control the screen in front of us? Because like right now you easily, I was thinking the process of me playing Blu-E for my daughter is about a six-click process. There's definitely an easier way to do it if I set up shortcuts or if I got other hardware. But there's also a way that if I worked hard enough,

pressing a button and saying, play Blu-E, it would happen. But I don't know that many people that do that. We're absolutely integrating with machines. There's no question about it. We're going to become, it's going to be embedded. It'll be more like a, I think the Wii, even though it didn't super take off. Well, do you know what a Nintendo Switch is?

Oh, we talked about it last time. It's similar. So, but I think that's a good midway point between what I think is a hack. You just aim it. Aren't we already there though? Can't you say Alexa? Yeah, but what I'm saying is I don't think most people,

OK, you say Alexa turn on, you say Alexa like, you know, how did they, OJ get off, whatever. But when you're sitting down watching TV, and even for me, like I know you're not a browser, but YouTube TV's up, and it's like I want to watch the stars. Well, I press a button, I go down to the stars, and I hit that. Well, now I want to watch the stars well I press a button I go down to the stars and I hit that well now I want to watch the nuggets so I press a button it backs out I go to another screen I still press a button

aiming something at a you're thinking there's something in your I guess the arrow the other option how you think it and it happened the other option would be motion would be motion. Would be motion or voice. Yeah, motion and voice. We have voice, but it doesn't work like that, you know? We've got way too many clicks in the world. There's way too many clicks in the world.

And we're clearly in like a awkward interregnum between the analog world and the technology world. There's definitely something to that. I have a buddy who just generally contends there's too much beeping. There's also too much beeping. He's like, once you notice this, go out somewhere. It's awful.

You can't turn it off. There's just too much beeping. You know what else I hate is how all the electronics have lights that you can't get. You can't get full darkness in your room if you've got like a cell phone plugged in or a laptop plugged in or whatever. I had to put like electrical tape over the black thing.

For sure, that's what Dan has to do to his laptop. Do you sleep with an eye mask? No. Okay. That's a game changer, oh yeah. Yeah, usually. It's great. I That's a game changer, oh yeah. Yeah, usually. It's great.

I feel like it would It comes off. mess up my eyelashes. I have a couple emails regarding Canada. We were talking Canada because of your radio show you found that produced like a real The Ace Burpee Show.

Super gay pump up video for the... You know, he does a lot for the kids in Winnipeg. Mmm. And wasn't there something, what was their bit? One fart all, one fart all fart one. That was like a bumper sticker he saw and thought it was hilarious. Brought it to the show and could not make it through

the story without laughing. Yeah, very FM. Brasher says, dear Unc, when I heard the punchline of one fart all, all fart one, and how hard these Canadians were laughing, all I could think of was Terrence and Philip. Terrence and Philip, completely. All they do is fart on each other

in its most popular show in Canada. I figured Matt and Trey made this up, but apparently it's reality, at least in Winnipeg. Never punt from Brasher. And one more Canada email. On the Winnipeg Jets possibly being the gayest team in North America, adding their Stanley Cup song, a person from Winnipeg is called a Winnipegger.

I feel like Jake would love this. This is Andy. Yeah, I do love it. It also seems to presume that that act he's referring to is gay, which I would. Have y'all ever gotten Winnipegged? I would reject that idea. I played, I've played in the minors.

Let's see here. I've played in the miners. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha. Huh. Let's see here. Ooh, while we're hot, some pap smear follow up. What? Oh, good. Oh, yeah, we were talking about the guy who invented the pap smears, like George Papa something.

Yeah. Greek fella. OK. And then we were saying that it's very, it's, the word smear is disgusting. It's so disgusting. It's already, as we said, we don't want a picture of that either. So already we're like, I don't like, I don't really want to look.

Now say it's smear. Now I think of a bagel and a. Absolutely. And I feel the same way about this. And they could have just called Dan because Paplication was right there. That name, he could have, he came. You apply it. It's an application.

I'm gonna get a Paplication. Le Portmanteau there. Don't you think that would work great? Le Portmanteau, it's good, it's good. Do you remember? It also does the heavy lifting here of removing the word smear. Right.

The most prominent procedure involving a vagina. Smear. It's awful. It is awful, so then I watched one online. That didn't follow. I watched it online and it kind of just looked like somebody was getting fingered. Well, you get basically swabbed.

Yeah. You know, they have the big, the metal. It's a brush maybe? Okay. It's a speculum and they open you up that way. Oh yes. And then they have a little, it does feel like a brush but I think it's kind of like a swab.

And then it goes in there. It kind of hurts, feels like somebody's knocking on your insides. Keep talking. But yeah, smear. I tried to do some chat GPT work, like finding out that people just used to say smear more. It seems really gross. But Anna Kay is the one who pointed out,

it's not really a smear. What does she know? Well, presumably, you'd smear it onto a slide that you could look at the sense. Just apply it. Just apply it. You smear it in order to see. We were talking the other day about my.

The mucus. Don't say that word. Are you done with the pap smear email? Yeah. Okay. I was moving on. I have one that indicates Clayton is a true member of the dumb zone.

What did he do? Forget to pay taxes? The pope? Dear Mr. Sex Man, perhaps the dumbest moment in the history of this show, even wilder than Jake's very, very long explanation about Abraham Lincoln debating Frederick Douglass, was Clayton thinking that the Pope's, the new Pope's real name was Habemus Papem. That is the Latin liturgical announcement that a new Pope has been elected.

I laughed for a solid hour. Damn, homie. Entertainment. My leader is the Holy Spirit in the parking lot and the library area. More Blake, less Jasmine, I love you from Rick. But we would like to welcome Clayton into the dumb zone. That's a good one, that's big.

He belongs. Yeah, and I still don't really know what he messed up, so I'm gonna be like, what an idiot. Yeah, he's so stupid. Hey, B.M. How what he messed up, so I'm gonna be like, what an idiot. Yeah, what an idiot. He's so stupid. Haby, yeah. How does he not know that? I knew that.

Well, I'll admit, I didn't know that, but it sounds Latin and it sounds Popey. But when he said, we have a new pope, he's from Chicago, from the south side, Haby is Popeum. I thought he might have been Greek, I don't know. He's from Chicago, his real name is Haby. Oh, dude. I don't know. He's from Chicago. His real name is Haby.

I don't know if we can play the video or not. Maybe if we can, I'll have it for tomorrow. But you were talking about Iron Eyes Cody yesterday. Yes, the Indian. There's a Sopranos scene, two of them, where they're trying to build a casino and they're arguing with the natives. So they send their lawyer to go intimidate this local guy

who's like the native leader, and they tell him that Iron Eyes Cody was Italian. And like the guy's crushed. But he has a younger person there with him who's like also a native, and they're like, everyone knows that, this is not a big deal, Grandpa. And they call Tony, the lawyer's like, yeah, he wasn't that impressed.

They say everybody knows about it. They say it's like finding out that James Khan ain't Italian. And Tony says that on the phone while Seal's there. And he's like, he says it don't mean nothing. He says it's like finding out that James Khan ain't Italian. And Seal just goes... And kind of looks around like never had considered the James It's like this tiny little subtle

Sopranos comedy mode where he just looks at the camera like what the fuck James Khan So last week we were talking about my high school janitor had a voice box Throat cancer So Chris says my grandfather had throat cancer and forced him to remove his larynx. This was before I was born, so I never knew him without the wand that he would put up to his throat to talk like a robot, which is pretty crazy in hindsight.

But I emailed to tell you there was a good period of time after he had his larynx removed that he did not have the wand thing and he could only communicate by writing on a big notepad. During this time, he and my grandfather, who was known to be a real bitch, would get into arguments, probably because she was a bitch.

Any time she might start losing the argument or he was making good points, she would take the piece of paper that he just wrote on, crumble it up and throw it in the trash without reading it. It's always amazing to me that he was able to refrain from just whipping her ass, especially with it being a different time at all. But just imagine, like a 55 year old dude,

six year old dude with cancer, and your only way of talking to your wife is you write stuff down, explain something to her, and she, before she even reads it, just takes it, crumples it up, throws it in the trash, and just stares at you. I can't imagine like a more emasculating feeling. So this is just stemming off of email now because we said Clayton is truly a member of the dumb zone. Either Dan or Jake is really a member of the dumb zone as well because when you say that word again, lair. I feel like you were saying it wrong, but I might be wrong. Which lair? I think

it's larynx. It's larynx. Oh, what did I say What did I say? Larynx. Larynx? OK. Yeah. It was cute. You switched. Guys, if that's going to be the bar now, we're going to be here all day. I knew it could be me that's wrong.

And that's why I'm throwing it out there. Larynx. Yeah, no, that's not even a. I once thought that the president debated a slave. Like, while he was. this can't be the line. Okay. I've got a few. I'm glad Sarah's here for this

because I saw a couple words in print that threw me off. They're words that you hear often but you don't read. And a couple submissions. This is from Andy. Manusha. I couldn't have spelled Manusha. M-I-U-T-I-A? T-I-A-E.

T-I-A-E, Manusha. Yeah, it does kind of have a A. Did you think it was like an S-H thing going on? Well, I just, in this spurned, I was reading and I just got hung up on a word. I was like, oh, that was Suore. Yeah. I don't know how to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A and I just got hung up on a word. I was like, oh that was soiree Yeah, I know how to say that. Yeah. Yeah a couple other reconnoiter. Yeah, that's a weird one Yeah, but I wouldn't feel like it. I would feel like an asshole if I wrote out the word soiree. Yeah and Do you probably have not to say that makes you an asshole but in your line of work

I feel like soirees are kind of part of the... Yeah, it's a daily practice. Apropos. Accent agoo. Ooh, how do we spell that one? A-P-R-O-P-O-S. Yeah. And then winds. I don't know.

The road, the winding road. W-E-N-D-I-N-G. Wending. Wending? What does that word mean? I've never even heard of that. I thought it was winding. No, winding would be with an I. never even heard of that. I thought it was winding.

No, winding would be with an I. Yeah, the normal way. With two different words. So this is wending. It's more of an old fashioned word, but I'm not sure what it means. You guys should look it up. It says go in a specified direction,

typically slowly or by an indirect route. So it's basically just winding. Yeah, it's like Middle English winding. Yeah. Sure. A couple anchored phrases. Ooh. Cloven. English winding. Yeah. Sure. A couple of anchored phrases. Cloven.

Hoov? Yeah. Like you never hear Cloven without hoov. Yeah, this is our bit. It's not our bit. I used to listen away with words a lot. I was on that show. I'm not surprised.

Yeah. But we have a whole, we've got a robust list. It's a healthy list. Cloven is added to it. And then raring. Raring back. Raring to go. R. Cloven is added to it. And then Raring. Raring back? Raring to go? Raring back, raring to go.

To go. OK. I think to go. Yeah, you don't hear that anywhere else. Yeah, you're never raring to do. I also don't know what Cloven is. You're not raring to stay. No.

But I am. No, I'm raring. But I've never said it. I'm raring to stay right now. Then we got a follow up on Dan's shower story from last Friday, where Dan informed us that his daughter would take an hour long shower, and that just didn't quite compute with me.

OK. Very commonly. Was that your move as a teen? No. I'm a bath girl. But back then too? Always bath. Always bath.

Because I don't want to get my hair wet I only wash my hair every like four or five days So it gets wet if I do the shower and Baths are just very luxurious. I just really love them, but I would take an hour-long bath if the water lasted that long Like if it didn't get cold. Yeah This subbie says I work for the city of Grapevine Water Plant. The average shower head uses about two gallons per minute. If your daughter takes a 35 minute shower,

she uses 70 gallons. Grapevine's water rate, blah, blah, blah. 35 minute shower costs you about 35 cents in water. I think we were saying that that would get pretty expensive. Yeah, these guys are like 20 bucks. No, it wasn't 20, but I did get from some people, I got answers anywhere ranging from like $1.50 to about $3.50.

It's not five or 10 bucks, but it is not 10 cents. Is it a money concern, or is it a what's going on in their concern? Nah, because you just, whatever's going on, there's whatever's going on in there. I don't, you just leave that to be. That's not his deal. But it...

I like how Jake speaks for you now. You guys have really evolved as a couple. Thanks. I'm just trying to keep things moving. I don't know, I just... We've become much stronger. I know, I know that's not his concern. It's just, and it's not even really the money

because it's like, we talk all the time. When I was a kid, my mom would freak out over the lights oh yeah and off and I remember when I first got the rate card from the electric company air condition the whole yeah but even the lights are even worse and I was like this is I could leave this on all month and it would cost us a nickel this is not the crisis I thought but water actually you know well Garrett also wrote water what do you know. Well, Garrett also wrote. Hot water. Do you have Garrett? No, go ahead. Regarding the water, he said he wants

to make sure while Jake recoils at your daughter taking a one hour shower every other day, Jake taking a 10 minute shower six times in two days is the exact same. Yeah, that's a good point. Whoever said I take a 10 minute shower, did I say that? He's just saying that you shower more frequently. Oh, I do, but they're two to three minutes every time.

OK. Three minute shower? At the most. I mean, I guess if I think to myself like, oh, we have all the time in the world here, then I'll plan like a 10 minute shower. But I'll shower in the morning and at night. And it's, I'm in.

Three seems exceptionally short. Two is. I would think five is kind of short. You know that they do it in the military. Just fine. I mean, there's no point. I'm not in there to, but I know you have like, you're a fan of shower thoughts.

Yeah. And usually I am, but I'll just get out and get back to the thoughts, not showering. But like, you're not really doing anything. You're not shaving when you're in there, right? You're not really washing your hair most of the time? I do, but it's quick. You know, it's just.

You're not like conditioning. I wash my face. There's like a deep conditioning thing. Nope. I just put shampoo up here, and that's all I use. He's trickled down. And then the trickle down theory, it cleans all the other stuff.

I'll do it here too. I like that. Shampoo. It's very efficient. The hot spots. There's four hot spots. What kind of shampoo do you use? Whatever the cheap one on the shelf is.

I don't have hair now. Swav? Yeah, something like Swav, yeah. I used to use Swav. When I was cheap and in college. And now you're. Yeah, well the tough thing about that, I'm sure now you know how great they are,

is this is brought to you by, no, I don't know. And then my final one. Actually, swab is... My final one, Sarah, I got a massage last week, which is rare for me. Oh, interesting. I go to get pampered and then feel bad for being pampered. How come? I just feel bad for being pampered. How come?

I just feel bad that this person is having to rub me for 45 minutes. But you paid them. Yeah, but they probably didn't choose this at the place that I went to. You feel like you were exploiting the person that got paid for this. In some way.

Meanwhile. I sympathize with it. Meanwhile, this person, if they get sent home, is going to have to, you know, farm, pick any side dish for a dollar a day for the next 20 years, but you improving their life, God forbid, you have to have white guilt over that. I'm gonna guess this isn't really about the person.

It's about your own sense of discomfort in taking care of yourself. Because as a man, there might even feel a little bit unmanly to do that, because it's such a feminine thing to self-care, all that stuff. And so I think most men would really, really benefit from a massage and really could enjoy it,

but I think this is a very, probably very classic feeling. And that you didn't deserve it. It'd be like, do you pay somebody to do your lawn? No, I do it. So similar thing, right? If you had somebody else do your lawn, it'd be kind of like... Please your wife or whatever.

Okay, that's puffy. But it's the same sort of. Have you guys been following the P Daddy trial by the way? It's coming up in the news. Oh, I'm all over this. But this is fascinating, you know? And I think it's really, really common.

I used to feel really guilty, like they probably like other people's backs better than mine. Yeah, that's common. You know? Like I probably have this messed up thing, but that's like all about you versus you. So on the back of that very deep, insightful thought, I just said afterwards, I don't want a happy ending,

but I would like to be asked. Yeah, true. True. I mean, wouldn't it be nice if they just asked you for that? Right. Have you guys ever gotten a happy ending massage? No, because I go to places that are like the regular ones. I've been a couple times to the shopping center ones.

And it feels like it's definitely possible. But I don't know the pro. But you're not doing, you're going to like massage envy and like hand in stone. Those are- Yeah, these guys said that you have to look it up. It's a, I don't know, you get, what is it? Word of mouth, there's a code, there's a symbol.

Does it count if while she's massaging you, you just start doing it yourself? Is that still a happy ending? No. Because I was happy. That's a Jeffrey Epstein. Well, I got this message from a DZ-er. Started off as a normal massage.

She asked if he wanted full service. He said yes. And so there are places that ask you in the middle, hey, would you like an upcharge? He said he just paid double for what the normal massage was and walked out of there And he was happy was he not he was thrilled That's a thrilled ending seems like kind of like a like a getting your oil changed kind of thing for a man You know, I mean kind of like a lube job. It is it is weird. I

Get it and I'm not trying to just attack centuries of conventional wisdom here, but it's a little bit weird that it feels really good when she rubs on my glutes and my shoulder. Yeah. And that's completely okay. But rub on that part. It actually feels pretty good on my thigh too.

It even feels better, this. But you're not allowed to rub on that part. That's big government, man. I thought we were trying to get government out of there. In a sense, it really is. Yeah. Let's see here. Here's a gummy thought for you.

This is from Michael. How big do you guys think ravens are? You think that's a little bird? No, they're big. OK, good. We see them at the game. You think that's a little bird? No, they're big. Okay, good. We see them at the game. Yeah, this guy thought they were small.

And he was writing into me like, man, I never realized that ravens are big. Some of them are like 6'7", 300 and 25. Clay's Campbell was massive. Yeah, Michael Orr. It was huge. We were talking about car crashes in DFW the other day. And I said, I swear every Monday there are 12

of the gnarliest car crashes in all of the local news every week. It's street racing, it's motorcycle, it's shooting that ends up in crash. There's 10 of them every week. This guy who is a listener, which is still insane to me, worked at the old Parkland before they built the new one, trauma surgeon,

and he said in eight weeks, he saw one gunshot wound, one ATV accident, and everything else was a car accident. One of my residents described the trauma surgery team as babysitting car accident victims until orthopedic surgery can fix their bones. The lesson is we need more guns. What do we need?

Yeah, maybe. More ATVs, guns on ATVs. Well, that's interesting. I once did a, I once shadowed a friend who was an ER nurse, I mean, ER nurse, I mean an ER doctor and everything from midnight on was drunk people. Oh really? Yeah. Really, really dangerously drunk people. Like coming in with, you know, like smashed in

faces and you know almost to the death limit. We were talking to our buddy Jimmy yesterday the firefighter comedian and his story like a lot of what they do is just people get fucked up and they fall. Yeah. Don't help me. Yeah. I can't get up. It's almost like drinking ain't that great Sarah. And then like they come out well the thing is most people can handle it. There can be some negative effects. And then a quick one from Amy. We have a 64-year-old female listener

we're trying to get laid. Aw. She got divorced after like 30 years. She's very active. She's super cool. She's very attractive. Wow. Amy is her name?

Amy. OK, I'm in on this. We have to figure out what we want to do with it, but there's something here. Would you like to date her, perhaps? Have you ever dated a lady or no? I'm experimented. Is that just a college thing?

What was your age? I was 30s. In your 30s? Yeah. That's interesting. Sober or not? I'm sober. Sober?

Yeah. Hell yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. You got to keep it spicy. OK, was she also sober? Yeah. You think she would just plow through without consent?

Or was it like already a good friend? Somebody that you had hung with a lot and you had some kind of chemistry or is it some kind of stranger that you met? Was not a stranger. But someone you had known for a while? Yes. How did it occur? I mean, what led up to it? Like that night? I was always curious. I was always very curious about that. And I'll decline to go into much more of it after this,

but she was not alone. There's a guy. There's a couple. Oh, okay. It was a couple. So you were a third. I was. And did they formally approach you like approach you and you know

There's a found your vibe interesting Yeah, there's a contract that you sign and Are you joking now? Yes But I just wonder I mean say I will say did they say hey we're no it evolved over We were all friends and it evolved over months of Hanging out, but but I will say that I was on Ok Cupid at the time I was online dating and ok Cupid went through a really horny phase that just doesn't get talked about were just like people were really

Experimenting and and and there was all this stuff on there that was like looking for a unicorn. And I was like, what the hell's a unicorn? Do you know what that is? No. The girl who's younger and will, yeah. It's the third girl that will make out, you know, will be with the woman and also with the guy.

And all these like middle-aged couples in the suburbs just getting wasted and looking for a unicorn that's what you okay Cupid was in about 2013 so the three of you had hung out together before yeah many times yeah or quite a few times and now you're at their apartment, yours? Where are you? Neutral location. Neutral location, but not like a public park or something, right? Oh, no.

Okay. It's a private location. Not in college. Okay, yeah. And then like, but how did the first, did your hands touch his? What was the, like you said, you had wondered about it. There's just a lot of tension. Did you already know, oh, these people do this?

I had an idea. Okay. I had some clues. Uh-huh. The pineapple on the door. Yeah, the pineapple on the door. Is that like Polly? I think that's signaling.

I've heard that. Okay, I don't know anything about that. Well, no, this is very interesting to me because just this week. You just introduced a sauce. Just this week, we talked to a guy who has a wife, but then they had a third lady join the group and she now moved in, has her own bedroom.

They have three kids, ages like five to 12 or something. The first one. Yeah. The, the, the ruffle. And they live, yeah, they live like that regularly. And he was quite evasive about like the initial like, well, how did it happen the first time when you're first kissing this other lady together?

Like, that's kind of what I'm like, how does it actually, like if you were drinking, I would totally understand. I know. That's. That's how can you not. That's how everything happens. That's the logical end point of a drunk night. Right.

It had been developing for months as a kind of flirtation and like a lot of things, it was a joke. It was a joke, Everybody would joke about it. That'd be funny if you joined us. Wouldn't that be funny? And then. Silly. Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny?

Oh, you guys. Oh. And you know, and then there was sort of maybe like stories about college and like, oh. What have you done? Yeah. Oh, I once. Oh, interesting. I thought about it. You sort of always been curious, oh. What have you done? Yeah. Well, I once. Oh, interesting.

I thought about it. So you sort of always been curious, Sarah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, you know, I don't know. Have you guys ever actually done it? Oh. Yeah, actually we have. Yeah.

So the first one of them that you kiss, which one? It was her. Okay, like she's....her woman, a woman. It would be a little softer to bring you in with me and now my guy might...exactly. Now he's like kind of there just being like, what's up? He's just smoking a vape. Yeah? Yeah. Then did you did it every like full sex all that I'm done with this conversation okay I have given you a lot but at least more than I have at least you waited into the pool I did I just want to say that I've never spoken about this I'm kind

of shocked right now I'm I've never spoken about this in public I waited into this well you want a book approved I got a subject for you. Good point. They'll approve that right away. I know you know what though. And if you want someone to proofread it. That is actually interesting though, if you're writing a memoir, your second one,

and it's about like life at sober, it is funny to be like, to reevaluate your life and be like, no, I think that's actually still cool sober. Well. Or like, oh, I think that's actually still cool sober. Or like, oh, I thought that was something I would only do drunk, I never thought I'd yell at somebody sober.

I will! I will! One of the painful realizations of sobriety is how many dumb things you did that you just did, you just thought you did because you were drunk. And when you were drunk, you had the best excuse ever, was I was just a drunk. And then now when you're sober, you're like,

oh no, I'm just an idiot. Like, I'm just an asshole. I'm just a slut, or whatever it is. Well, do you have any more, because if not, because we gotta hustle. I started reading this email because of Amy, who we're trying to find love. We were talking about sweet Amy.

Right. Do you want to hook up with Amy? Oh, yeah. Since you've already had full blown sex with a couple. OK, so she emailed because they're really into this picture for the pirates. He's a young fella. He's dating a real famous college athlete, female athlete.

His name is Paul Skeens. Okay. And Amy, we met her, she was at the show the other day and she left and immediately said, I forgot to ask you guys, as obsessed with you are, as you are with Paul Skeens, why don't you have a reference to the Skeens gland? Do you know what that is?

Isn't it in the... It's the squirt gland. The squirt gland, yeah. The skein's gland just is the gland that makes... You can apparently just squeeze it over and over again and it'll be sort of ecstatic for a man. Really? I think so.

Guy's named after a repro plumbing. You think that's better than the pap smear? Yeah, now that I've looked it up too, bagel schmear is just called schmear because that's the word they used for smear. So there's not some cool, it's disgusting now knowing this. Why not just call it the pap schmear?

Go the whole way. Get on everything bagel. Yeah. You know, speaking of bagels. Yeah. That makes me think of factor meals. Those are the pre-packaged meals. Like some people will prep their meals for the week

or something like that. You know how much time and effort that takes? Not only that, I've done the meal prep kits before they send you the ingredients. It's just still 40 minutes of cooking and cleaning stuff up. It's still just as big of a beating. What if it just arrives in a nice box at your house? It's all packed in the, well, it's some kind of an ice. It's cold, it's really cold. And. Yeah, it's still good. They keep it cold.

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ex-girlfriend, business associate, Cassie. Is he against Busby? Is Tony Busby the attorney against him or no? Tony Busby was finding other people. Jay-Z, right? To go after Diddy, Jay-Z, others. But he's not involved in this specific case. Yeah, so yesterday they had her up there.

And she's pregnant right now, which is, I don't know, I was listening to some lawyer break down the case. And he's like, well, the prosecution called her yesterday, which is a great move, because she's a sexual assault victim, and she's a pregnant mother, single mother. Do you find it dislocating to see a woman who's visibly pregnant talk about freak outs

where somebody urinates on her? Yeah, and she's the one you've seen get beat, right? Yeah, that too, just knowing that that's the same person when she's getting tossed around that hallway. Of course, the flip side of it is the defense is going to have to tiptoe around, hey, we don't really wanna be assholes to this pregnant lady, but also,

you took 20 million dollars. So, you know, that's what they have to do. Anytime the defense is involved, they can use the fact that they paid some money to invalidate all your claims. But yesterday apparently was the first day. And look, I don't know, I guess I don't know how you find a juror

who doesn't know who P. Diddy is but I can promise you that person has never seen photos of an orgy. Like the type of person who would make it through this pool has lived a pretty, I don't know, sheltered-ish life or at least a small closed life, and now they're like, well this woman here, she was given $20 million the day after she sued Mr. Combs.

And later on this afternoon, we have a series of 100 photos that's just a group of people oiled up fucking. It was interesting to learn about the freak offs. I had this vision of them as an orgy, but they were really more of the, of two couple, like a couple and a rotating cast of male escorts. Okay, so that, cause they did hear from one guy

who said that he was paid by Diddy to have sex with Cassie. Yeah, that was an interesting story. So he was a manager at a male review, like strip club, and they call him up and say, can you do a bachelorette party? And he's like, sure. So he shows up and Cassie shows up in lingerie, high heels and sunglasses.

Would you like that look? Sure. Okay. So anyway, she says, hey, there's no bachelorette party. Can you just have sex with me? My husband's here. He's not gay. He won't touch you.

And so he does. And he comes in and these are some of my favorite details, of course, is that there's aster glide, baby oil, and I think maybe candles make it real sexy. And they have sex and then he leaves. Cassie texts him and says, can you send me a picture of your penis? He does.

She says, can you come back? So he comes back, goes for another round. And this is very common with them. They, the freak offs go from a couple hours to 10 hours. What are we doing, folks? And one of the reasons it's taking so long is because they will disappear into another room, leave him in the hotel or the house or wherever they are. They'll be gone for hours. And sometimes they'll come

out and then just dismiss him. And sometimes they'll come out and be like, all right, come back in. And it's always just him and Cassie. Did he doesn't touch him. And this goes on for months. This goes on for months. And he gets between it's like $1,500 to like thousands of dollars. That's weird. And so he texts Cassie every once in a while like I miss you. I want to see you. And then she never responds. But then every once in a while, like, I miss you, I wanna see you, and then she never responds. But then every once in a while, she'll send out the bat signal that's like, come on over. But they do this with a rotating cast of escorts. And she picks them out on a site called Cowboys for Angels.

Awesome. That rules. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't, I know that he's being charged with racketeering, he's being charged with sex trafficking, he's being charged with a number of things. In the defense, they're trying to do what they can to say yes, this happened,

but also everybody here was on board. Because they can't say it didn't happen. There's too many photos. Yeah, the sex trafficking thing is gonna be, I think, harder, but sex trafficking, I don't know what the legal definition is, and it's quite squishy. Like, it can be very, you know, like you sent a text that like money was transacted or something like that.

It's one of those things that sounds very scary, but can be quite mundane when you see it. The Mann Act. You know what that is? Isn't that like traveling across state land? Oh, right, something like that. Which was enforced when, I believe it was Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion of the world

back in the early 1900s, was dating a white woman. Yeah. And so they invoke the Mann Act and call that kidnapping or something and that's how they could. Exactly. Yeah, something like that. And, and, but you know, they're up against it because this video is going to be part of the trial. That video of him beating her up. I don't know that he's up against, and this is a federal case, and I don't think there's any domestic abuse charges because this isn't that kind of trial, but that is so, it tips you so much. It is so awful.

Now, the other headline I saw is that a bunch of newspapers have petitioned to get the freak-off videos Now the other headline I saw is that a bunch of newspapers have Petitioned to get the freak off videos Released to the press. Yeah, first amendment issue perhaps at play there Would you guys watch the freak off videos? I'd watch anything We're talking about would we watch a Belichick sex tape But we're nuts and yeah, absolutely. I need to go back and listen to you guys on Belichick. I'm sort of fascinated.

All right, so if you were to be a unicorn for someone, would you be theirs? Belichick and Jordan Hudson? Because sign me up. Am I choosing between Jordan and Belichick or Cassie? Well, no, you got to be with both of them. Comes with the dinner. No, no, no, I'm asking you,

are you asking me whether I'm choosing between P Diddy and Cassie and Belichick? Sure, let's start there. And Jordan, okay. I think I would choose P Diddy and Cassie because I just think it looks a little sexier. But the Belichick, Jordan. She's got a black eye though, the girl.

Yeah, I mean the violence thing is really, really not my scene. That's a little off putting. Very off putting. Issue here is you kind of got a gift in the curse. Right, I mean you want the hotter guy, you're going to have a little. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just you. You got a gift. But can you imagine Bill Belichick. Wear a mouthpiece. Bill Belichick sitting on the sidelines watching you have sex with his wife? Sure. And he's like calling shots and hitting you.

Hell yeah. I'm in. He's like got the sweatshirt on. I was going to say, it's the easiest layup ever, but- He's got the headset. The cut-up sweatshirt with no bottoms on, like he's the Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, yeah. Ha ha!

Very funny to me. The other headline regarding the Diddy Trial, this sucks so bad because it can only ever be this way. Nobody is ever gonna be accused of rape, and their accusers are gonna come out, this is a person who stole from them, ripped something away from their life, they're never gonna come out and be like,

he's a bad guy but his dick ruled. They're always going to be like, his penis was mangled and tiny. Remember Harvey Weinstein? Oh, that was awful. It was like, oh, it looked like a guy hit by a hammer. You're like, you guys already, we know, he's a bad sex guy, You don't have to do this.

One Diddy's case, court documents reviewed yesterday that a woman that he had forced himself on said that while she felt vulnerable and withdrawn, she was relieved that she couldn't feel any pain during the encounter because the length and girth of his penis, quote, was like a large Tootsie roll. No, no, no. That's unnecessary. A large one, not a party size. No. But that's small though, that's what we're saying?

I guess, yeah. That's so cruel to do to any man, but it, That's what I'm saying though, is that like, obviously nobody's gonna feel bad for the accused, but it is, I just want one time, somebody to be like, this guy broke me. It's the worst thing that ever happened. I can't move on, but the dick was, phew, just like that.

You want Tommy Lee on trial? Well, I mean, I don't even, his was just huge. That's not always great, right? No, no, cervix banger. Right. Get a paplication. Paplication. All right, yeah, I guess I'll do one more.

We're so late. So there was a planned school shooting in San Antonio. It was thwarted. So I saw this story and the story is about a 33 year old woman Ashley Pardo. So she is the mother in this case and she had purchased for her son tactical gear allegedly, ammunition and as I was reading the story I was like you know I had never really school gear, allegedly, ammunition. And as I was reading this story, I was like, you know, I had never really considered that the desire to live vicariously through your kids

could apply to more than just sports. Like, we got a whole group of people in their 30s, my age, who were like, I should have done it. It could have been me. And now they have kids that probably also listen to corn and also have a tough time navigating society. And they're like, you know, there is a way, little Damien.

It's like me out there getting my kid to run sprints. So I'm like, I swear he can be fast. I swear to God, it's in there somewhere. But yeah, this lady got older. She still has purple hair, you know? And she's like... It's dark. It's dark, but it's clearly kind of what happened here.

This lady looks like a school shooter who got old without pulling off the gig, and now her kid's doing it, and she's buying the stuff. So this is a double thing. Plus, it's a a lady doing it so that's cool. That's weird. Just yeah it's not normal. I mean it's unusual. Yeah it's unusual so I just want to be able to tell my daughters you too could be a school shooter. Break that glass ceiling. I think that's part of it and also if it's not that it's just you know moms want their babies to have anything and be able To achieve anything some people will be like I'm gonna pay for the extra math tutor

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Ah. That means we've been talking to him the last two days about business stuff. It was his birthday. That's a tough look for us. Community Mechanical Business Partner, the only white guy to play basketball for DeSoto High School in the last 40 years,

Travis Gafford. He's the grand poobah at our HVAC company, Sarah. Community mechanical. They have a name. Do you want to shit on that and say there's your HVAC companies better than Community Mechanical? I wouldn't dare.

They're not bad for us.ical? I wouldn't dare. They're not bad for us. Yeah, I heard about them. Yeah. No, you couldn't even make jokes. You could never. You can make jokes with Travis Gafford. He loves bits.

He sounds like a country singer. The point is, with Travis and Community, you have never heard anything bad about them because they're impeccable. Yeah. Five stars. No, five stars. They broke the thing.

They didn't have enough room for the amount of stars people were giving them. Anyway, this is from Drew. Travis Gaffer's leaders are Extreme Weather Patterns, his dumb zone ROI, and the five grand he's already saved up for Nina Pham's eventual OnlyFans page. We gotta get Nina Pham out of the dumb zone

generic summer event presented by Qualis. You know we're friends with her? I don't know who that is. Oh, she got Ebola. Is she like, a hoctua girl? No, she's a nurse in Dallas that got Ebola. She was the first person in the United States to have Ebola. And we became friends with her.

OK. Or no, the first person traveled from somewhere, and then she got it. Yeah. And is she just really hot or something like that? She's an attractive woman, but that's not really how we think of things. No, I just think she's- Oh, no, you never would. an attractive woman, but that's not really how we think of things. No, I just like, she's-

Oh, no, you never would. I'm just so glad that she was able to overcome- She's a friend. She's a friend of ours. But they quarantined her, they burned everything she owns, like they burned her big screen TV. I was trying to get her dog killed. If you think there was like COVID worry,

like did we do, did we need to do that for COVID? Yeah. Like they burned every item she had, and there was a big debate over whether or not they should kill her dog. And this guy said absolutely. It's rough. And to his credit, he later told her that to her face. Yeah. And because she's a medical professional, she understood. As people inside the industry that I'm commenting on often do, it's delay people. As people inside the industry that I'm commenting on often do, it's the lay people that are.

Yeah. But no, she's a really cool person. She has an OnlyFans page? No, no. This guy is alleging that she actually will. I'd like her to be at the summer event, though. Sure. If she gets an OnlyFans page, we'll trade subscriptions.

Like, hey, we'll give you one to the dumb zone. Right? Ha ha ha ha ha. Does she do one with just the top of the hazmat on? That's fair. It's good. Guten tag, DZ leaders. Today is my wife, Lindsay's Dirk Nowitzki birthday.

Her leaders are Dan and Julie's Uncle Baby Billy performance of Misbehavin' at Ticketstock. Very good. She'd like you boys to settle a debate we have. On the use of the word next versus this preceding a day of the week. Yeah. For example, today is Thursday. If you want to call out an upcoming event

for the following Thursday, which statement would you say? Would you say this Thursday, I will never listen to the dumb zone, or next Thursday, I will never listen to the dumb zone? I think this is one where there's no real rule, right? Dan and I ran into this just the other day. I don't remember what it was, but you said this something this Saturday, but, but you said this something, this Saturday.

But it was like Saturday. Yeah, this Saturday. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was about this Saturday. I know. This coming Saturday. I'm like, what? Like if I said next Saturday,

you would think of a week from Saturday, right? Not necessarily, you might think it's the upcoming. But it is the next one on the calendar. This is a terrible blind spot in the English language. It's just flat out, there's no good answer. We've got a problem. Damn. I've thought about it.

We should start a dialogue. Same with the thermostat. What does turn the air down mean? Yo, okay, so while we're talking community mechanical, they installed that mini split in my house. You know because there's an arrow for down and up, but the down arrow says too hot and the up arrow says too cold.

So, you just point at it and I'm like, I'm a little too cold. You hit too cold. And then it gives you heat. And dear dumb zone, happy 34th birthday in my life, Laura Lynn Brooks. Sorry. I did not wake her up in that special way

because we have separate bedrooms. How'd you even do that? It's awesome. You just opened his mouth and did it? Oh, yeah. I saw this email. That is separate bedrooms, man. Separate bedrooms and very different sleep schedules.

I feel like the tides bedrooms and very different sleep schedules. I feel like the tides are changing. It's very in vogue. Yeah. She will hear this only because I make her listen to it, which she will oblige since my 41st birthday is Saturday. Same week birthdays equals good bit. I think I agree with that.

Just knock it all out. What's the point? You could easily cancel out gifts that way if you made the decision to, and it would be clean and nice. But it'd be better if your birthday was first, then you could judge how much effort I have to go into giving her.

That would be better. That would be better, but I do like, you probably do one thing. I would hope, but separate bedrooms you've already won. It's from the great Gabe, right? From Gabe Brooks in Denton. Texas High School football mafia member and Spurs fan. So this is Today in History, May 15th. On this day in 1930, we could tell our daughters you could do this.

Ellen Church went on duty aboard a flight Oakland to Chicago. She was the first ever airline stewardess. Wow. Did you know that stewardesses got weighed in order to keep their jobs up until the 80s. We're bringing that back. I mean, nothing is off the table.

The only reason that we don't have weight tests for Stuartus now is that Trump doesn't fly commercial. Because if he did, he'd be like what Yeah, he doesn't know that stewardess is our guy. He has no idea but if he did he got on he tasted the food He'd be like this is shit is garbage. Get it fixed and then they would On this day in 2013 so Richard Swanson had a dream He was going to dribble a soccer ball from Seattle to Brazil, raising money for charity. So soccer.

So he started in Seattle and he's going to Brazil. How far would you say that? That's thousands of miles, right? Many, many miles. He was killed by a pickup truck in Oregon. Oregon? No! No.

Like, what did he get, like a half hour? That feels adjacent. He barely got on a trip. And if you said he was killed on his trip, you'd be like, yeah, in Brazil, it seems. Yeah, I see. Oregon. Probably at the border, Guatemala.

Aw. No. I have a couple of baseball notes for this day. He should have been trying to dribble while he was riding the bike. Hold too much. Boy Stuart is this used to dress so intriguingly. Oh my gosh. They were like the wild women of their times too because think about it back then.

Traveling? I don't need no man. Exactly, they were single, they were worldly. They were, when you were a woman, you could be a nurse, you could be a teacher, you couldn't be a ton of things or you could be a stewardess. The stewardesses were like the go-go girls of the sky. You could drink. Oh, they were, it was crazy.

I knew a woman in the program, she'd been a Braniff stewardess back in the day. Wild stories. I bet. Wild, wild. The good old days. Two baseball notes for this day in history. First of all, 1981, tiny little Dan is in his dad's vehicle

as they are heading to Cleveland Stadium to see the Indians, Dan's favorite team. But it was raining, so we headed back home. Oh. The rain did let up a little bit. Still, it was a misty night the whole night. And on this very night, Len Barker pitches the ninth ever perfect game

in Major League history. But you didn't get to go. And I was on the way. We were on the road. I had my little hat and my glove. And then we had to turn around. We'll watch the game at home. It'll be fine.

That's brutal. Damn, that's tough. It was, so the Indians were really bad anyway. But at this time we had some hope but there were no fans were 7290 fans at the game now that so I went to baseball reference comm so I could look at the box score and stuff Danny Ainge played third base for the Blue Jays that night Wow that's why they couldn't get a hit. They

just had basketball players. They're all in Canada. They're like what's uh. They put Mikhail on the mound again. Yeah. So that did inspire the Cleveland crowds though. That got the next night 24,000 and then 46,000 on Sunday. People are so dumb. Right, like. Maybe there'll be another incredibly unlikely event when I go two days later. Yeah.

And you look at, I remember they would sell the playoffs, they would have a lot of fans for opening day every year. 71,000 that year on opening day because it's such a big stadium. The next day, 13,000. So anyway, go try. Brutal. And on this day, other baseball note, this is the day that Rugnedo Dour punched Jose Bautista in a victory over the Toronto Blue Jays in 2016. I was there. Was that great? Yes.

That must've been awesome. Yeah, and this is- Why did he pinch him? There's a whole thing, it was a big backstory. The Rangers had a beef with the Toronto Blue Jays and one player in particular, Jose Bautista. He had a big home run in a playoff series and he did a bat flip which really aggravates red-assed baseball players.

But it's just like if you hit one, just they call, I'm gonna explain these things to you because sauce was new, they call it pimping the home run. And it pisses people off. And the next time, like months later when they came here, it was funny because Bob and Dan actually interviewed Odur that week at the ballpark, and we were there, and we brought it up, like, hey, you still got a thing

with Bautista, or how's that? And he's like, I don't talk about that. And three days later, he slid into second base and then rocked him, the likes of which I've never seen in a non-combat sport ever. And then that turned into the, despite the fact we have, I believe, a Venezuelan and a, I don't know, the fact that Rugned punched this guy who plays for a Canadian baseball team,

again, both Latin ballplayers, the whole crowd just broke out into USA. Yeah, USA chant. USA. USA. I guess he had to. USA. You had to be there. I guess you did. Were you chanting? Yeah, of course. Okay. USA, USA. You had to be there. I guess you did. Were you chanting? Yeah, of course.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, once the video circulated of how well he connected the punch, it was awesome. I mean, this guy like passed his phone to everyone in the section that wanted to see it. But it was weird because it was a double play

and the throw was wide because of the slide and probably because Rugged End was planning something. Yeah. And so everyone's eyes just followed the ball. No one really saw what happened at second base. was wide because of the slide and probably because Ruge Dan was landing something. And so everyone's eyes just followed the ball. No one really saw what happened at second base. And then it was awesome. Have you seen this punch? Like, do you know what we're talking about?

Oh, no. Not at all. It was like a big enough deal to be the top local news story for like a week. When? Like, he could have. 2016. 10 years ago.

Were you not here? Really could have heard it. I was here, you not here? Really could have heard it. I was here, but I was on Blake Book Tour. He was with a throuple. Yeah. They weren't sports fans. I was throupling. Yeah.

I was in my throuple era. Yeah, Taylor Swift is about five years off from her throuple era, is going to be my guess. Completely agree. Yeah. And that'll be part of normalizing it. It will, absolutely. Other birthdays today, of course we have Blake.

34. Thank you. 34? Mm-hmm. Wow. That's a good age for a man. You called me old earlier. No, I didn't. Mama Heppala, 80. Yeah. 34 is a great year for a dude. Is

your mom's name Heppala? 34 to 37. Um yes. Okay. And she's 80 years old thanks for including her that's really sweet. Did you put anything about my cat? But five years ago. My cat? Yeah fifth anniversary. I sent you guys a picture of him. He's a nice cat. He's she. It's a beautiful cat. Beautiful cat. Wallace. It's a beautiful cat.

Strong cat name. Thank you. Yeah. Emmett Smith, 56. Don Nelson, 85. Good for him. 85? Good for him.

Recently heard a story, what was it? Did I read it or hear it about somebody that went to Don Nelson's Hawaii home to smoke pot with him and they were really turned off by the whole, like it was a really weird scene. Did Ethan go? Might have been Ethan Strauss. turned off by the whole, like it was a really weird scene. Did Ethan go? Might have been Ethan Strauss. I think it was. Or he was relaying something from somebody else.

Yeah, it was a long, yeah. I think it was Ethan. Yeah, here it is, 2019. We ought to talk to Ethan again soon. He's the best. Other than you guys. He is, he's great. Why don't you go be on his show then?

I have been on his show. She has. I'm just kidding, I heard it. Oh, okay. But I love Ethan, he's so smart. Really funny. Josh Ball, 27. What happened there?

Is he still on the Cowboys? No. Oh. That was a weird one, man. George Brett is 72. AJ Hinch, 55. Is George Brett the one that pooped his pants? He had hemorrhoids.

And that was a promotion at Cleveland Stadium when I was a boy. It was bring a pillow for George Brett Day. No way. It might have been just like the radio guy I listened to. It might not have been Indian sanctioned. You've never seen this, you have right? There's a George Brett story where he's walking around spring training.

I don't know if he's got a mic on, like if he was doing some reporting or whatever. He just tells like a five minute story about how he shit his pants at the Bellagio Hotel in Vegas. So awesome. Of all places. It's a classy place. And it's the most baseball guy tale, because he's dipping and he's like, no, no, true story, true story, I'm here with Bellagio, ship a pan, true story.

And it's just while they're stretching, it's really, really funny. I have never done that, but if I did, I don't think I'd ever tell the story. I don't think I would unless I were George Brett, and then it's just like, what are you gonna do? I'm George Brett. Desmond Howard's just like, what are you gonna do? I'm George Brett. Desmond Howard, 55.

Ryan Leaf, 49. I'm happy for him. He's like very funny about his fuck ups, you know? Ray Lewis is 50. He's less funny about his, the murder. John Smoltz is 59. He's kind of an asshole. Dan Patrick is 68. The radio Dan Patrick.

Happy Gilmore 2, boys. Is he in it? I'm sure. Oh. Kevin Von Erich is 68. Oh, a survivor. Of what? Of his 68. Oh, a survivor. Of what? Of his family.

Oh. Wavy Gravy is 89. Okay. Do you know who that is? It's a musician. I don't think he's even really a musician. I only know who he is because I think Jimmy Christopher wanted to book him.

Hell, maybe we did book him. Gribble. Has he been on the show? I think so. Yeah. But it was Gribble, yeah. And it's like he wasn't even in The Dead. But like, it's almost like music was so popular

at that time. Yeah. There would just be like hangers-ons. He became cultural icon. He's like a Flavor Flav character. Exactly. Yeah. Flavor Flav character. Exactly. Yeah. Flavor Flav at least wrapped some.

But yes, it's more of a bit. Jamie Lynn Sigler is 44. Jamie Lynn Sigler is, that's not, she's not related to Britney Spears. No, she's Meadow. Oh, Meadow, okay, yeah. Mary Jo Buttafuko is 70. Holy cow. Does Jake even know who that is?

She's the original wife. She was shot in the face by teenage mistress of her husband. Okay, the Lolita of Long Island. Ew. Yeah, no, you can't, like listen, if some guy showed up today and told you he knew everything about like, you know,

what was happening in Gaza or something, you're like, okay, today, but tell me what happened in 1987, tell me what happened in 1987 tell me what happened in 1973 if they couldn't tell you you don't respect the opinion if I don't know old Kemp spins from the 90s who am I yeah absolutely I need to know these stories and I'm way back to King Solomon trying to get somebody those two broads to cut that baby in half. Yeah. Birthday of the day. I read the Bible. Ally Michael is 34.

A-L-I. Like you. Michael. I feel like that rings a bell, but not immediately. So she's our birthday of the day because she was born in Colleyville. She went to Grapevine High School. She became a model. Wow.

And eventually a Playboy Playmate. Wow. So perhaps one of the last. I don't know if that exists anymore being a Playboy Playmate. I don't think so. And my thought is just that she's, as we're talking about Grapevine High School today a lot. Yeah.

Right? How old is Post School today a lot. Yeah. All right. How old is Post Malone? 30. Okay. So she would have been like a senior when he was a freshman. The point is, can you imagine if someone you went to high school with ended up in Playboy and how excited you would be

about that whole just that you knew, I was using fourth grade with me. Well, I mean, I didn't get that. This woman's like, not convinced, she's a model. This is not just some. Well, yeah, she's not in Hustler's Beaver Hunt. No, but what I was going to tell you is that I didn't have Playboy, but of course, there is the two girls I went

to kindergarten with in Girls Gone Wild together. Oh, Girls Gone Wild. Actually, third grade was the first class I went to kindergarten with in Girls Gone Wild together. Oh, Girls Gone Wild. Actually, third grade was the first class I had with them. But I had third, fourth, fifth, and they were best friends. And I was really good friends with them. They lived in my neighborhood. And they- How old were you when you saw this video?

The first year out of high school. Oh my god. The first year out of high school. Oh my god. So we were the Richland Rebels, of course, and a guy who was a year or two older than me, maybe only a year, he was in Lubbock, he was at Tech, and he had purchased the VHS, and he found it,

but he also knew how to do technology, so he was ripping DVDs of just that scene, and it had the Rebel flag on it, it said Rebel's Gone Wild, and he was bootlegging the shit out of them. Oh my god. And it was super. Selling them?

Oh yeah. Mailing them to people. What a great business. All over the country, like friends that had gone to college elsewhere. I was still here. I was a freshman. And it's dumb, right?

It's just they're lifting their shirt or something. It's nothing. No. Oh. No. See, there's a dirty secret about Girls Gone Wild, man. If you've never watched those movies, I actually haven't. But I did watch the documentaries about it.

There's like a three part. I watched that. The Joe Francis one. Yeah. Dude, so what they show you on the commercials is like chicks out, like having fun at spring break or at the club or at the beach. But that's like what they put on TV.

And that's what they put at the start of the video, but those are softcore porno videos. They would get two women usually, and like the 1% of them that after shirt off, here's a little ass or whatever, they're trying to get them to make out in a hotel room, they're handing them vibrators, like, and so these two girls that I've known since we were like seven, they're just full on, and they're fucking

peeled out of their mind. Wow, yeah. And they're just like, eh. So yeah, I don't know about Playboy. All right. But yeah, that one. Joe Francis, is that his name? Yeah, he's a bad guy.

Yeah, he's a creepy dude dude and they got shut down eventually. Yeah. Playboy was relatively classy, that's all I'm gonna say. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, the journalism thing is legit. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, that's how you go down the list, right? Absolutely.

And Born on the Stay Now dead, Abraham Zapruder. Of the Zapruder film. He invented film. And dead on the stay, still dead, Clark Shaughnessy. He was a football coach who invented the T formation. Honestly, though? Put them next to each other. Yeah, well wait, though, but we move the back guy up.

We need to burn him. No, no, keep him back there. It's like a T all the way across. That is kind of funny. That's going to work. Look, they won't know which way we're going. You got it running back over there? It's balanced.

You got it running back over there. Ronald Lacey died on this day. He is the, he was in Raiders of the Law. You got a running back over there. Ronald Lacey died on this day. He is the, he was in Raiders of the Lost Ark. As. And he was the guy that had the thing burned on his hand. So he's like the evil Nazi guy who had the handprint thing. If you know what I'm talking about. Jerry Falwell, speaking of P hustler, died on this day.

Fred Willard. Kemp's been. Oh yeah, he pee-weed. Fred Willard? Yeah. In Hollywood, like West Hollywood. And it was like pretty late in the game. I looked at you, isn't he on like all of your shows?

He's probably in King of Queens. He's probably not far off. Yeah. He's funny. And Elizabeth Bing, she invented Lamaze childbirth. She died at the age of 100. Give me one year in which Elizabeth Bing was alive. When was Lamaze Chowbirth invented? And then, what is Lamaze Chowbirth?

Well, it's my follow-up question. It's kind of breathing and positioning, right? Like how to sit and how to release or relieve pressure, like getting the build up to, I'm right about this. Am I allowed to play this or are you just doing this? Lamaze, you can play both, yeah. I mean, I've never had a kid, so I'm not super knowledgeable about this.

My guess is that it's going to be, yeah, like a more modern version. Because you know, women used to just be in the stirrups, and they'd be put in Twilight sleep. And so this is going to coach them through breathing, through staying awake. Yeah, because it's for not having an epi. It's when you're working with a, you don't get the needle.

It does seem related to natural childbirth. Yeah, doula work, like where we were last week where the guy bought a birthing center. I got no idea. I'm going to say the technique has probably been around for centuries. She probably didn't actually name it and gentrify it until, like, 1875.

1930. Yeah, I'm gonna say like 1940. Yeah, I don't know. The question is just name a year she was alive. She died at the age of 100 in 2015. Holy shit! Damn! Wow!

Yeah. That's incredible. So your reasoning was sound. It's just more of a modern thing. 2015 though. And that was Today in History. This was an exceptionally long program. That's okay.

Well, I'm not bashing it. I'm saying we have Sarah Heppela to thank for that because she brings out topics in us that we didn't even know we'd have. That's what I like to do. Difficult to prep. To bring out things in you men that you didn't know you had. Did you? And just for closing remarks, we'll give an extra little love to a couple of our lovely sponsors that we always want to promote.

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Don't you wanna help us? Get off your ass. Yeah. Go read Sarah's article. Yeah, do you wanna promote? Promote something. I wrote a story on Post Malone. Well, we've already talked about that.

I know. I also wrote about the Country Music Awards. That's kind of interesting. And I wrote about the Byron Nelson. I mean, I don't think there's anything you guys. Promoting is like, it's kind of interesting. I mean, I don't know, if you want to read it, it's not that different from what we do.

Whatever. The latest Smokum, If you wanna read it, read it. It's not that different from what we do. Whatever. The latest Smoke'Em If You Got'Em podcast is on Puff Daddy and we went really deep on that case. You may be our correspondent now. Like they say this is gonna take weeks. I may need to check in with you here in 10 days or so. It was, we went really deep on that.

It was really fascinating. I mean, it's dark. Celebrity is dark. You don't want fame. You don't have to tell us. Jesus. Adios mofo. We gotta go before this becomes a zoo. Thank you for watching my video. Subscribe and type for my name if you want to watch more of my videos. Bounding our sorrows in tequila and beers, there's been nothing to cheers But maybe it wasn't all what it was to appear

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