The Dumb Zone FREE - LUKA TRADE EMERGENCY PODCAST!!!

Episode Date: February 2, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The following program is a Dragon Dance Sports presentation. What are you doing over there, Girl Talk? What makes you? Why? I don't know, does that work? Holy fuck, team. Holy fuck. Emergency stream, emergency podcast. Always wanted to do one.
Starting point is 00:00:29 Always thought it would be a little quicker. But you have family. Yeah, sorry about that. Did have to get a little of that out of the way. And I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep.
Starting point is 00:00:37 I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I was asleep. I always thought it would be a little quicker But you have family. Yeah, sorry about that
Starting point is 00:00:46 Did I have to get a little of that and away? I was asleep last night. I was asleep last night So last night I fell asleep in the kid room. We'll make this quick, dude This will be one of those moments though where people are gonna. Where were you? Oh 100% What were you doing? Yeah, where we yeah, well, I don't know I woke up You know the deal where you you look at your phone You didn't plug it in and somehow it's waits right until you wake up It's on for like 30 seconds and then it dies. It was a 1% Look at my text message. What the fuck like 30 text messages. I assume someone's dead
Starting point is 00:01:20 And then my phone died So I had to wait like three minutes for it to turn back on And I couldn't I still as all of us can't believe it. It's the worst It's the worst thing to ever happen to me in my sports life, and it's not close I Have no idea what to do. I don't know. I think I'm like everybody. I don't know where we do we talk Lakers. I was trying to Think of the worst Dallas sports moment ever and I would think Jimmy Johnson leaving the Cowboys would be right there. Yeah, but I don't I would have to go back in time and try to recall. They had just won two, like why? What do you mean? Yeah. But they were still so set up to win as evidenced by the fact that they
Starting point is 00:02:04 went to a conference championship and then won a Super Bowl you know with Barry or yeah with Barry so I don't I can't think anything worse yeah they were very set up to win in the short term but then surely it well we're still looking for that next one yeah and maybe this is the same kind of a thing maybe the Anthony Davis you know not that bad in the short term. If he's playing like he's playing now, he's not playing now. Well, he's he's been very good. I know playing.
Starting point is 00:02:33 I mean, I actually. So my thing has been, let's ingest all the media I can. What are all the smart NBA people saying What are all the smart NBA people saying? What are the local NBA people saying? What are... A good soak. And it is almost 100%. This is baffling.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You just don't trade a player of this caliber at his age. You just don't, it's just not done. Unless it's demanded by the Agent player player or whatever team. Yeah, our team meaning the people around the player. Yeah, I mean It doesn't happen because these guys don't come along, you know and and I'm sad. I'm I'm legitimately sad no to the As I told you 50 people who are like, buddy, you all right?
Starting point is 00:03:26 Like, yeah, I'm back on it, guys, I can't handle this. But I am legitimately sad. I mean, the guy brought me a lot of joy, brought a lot of us a lot of joy, brought people closer together. I watch the Mavs basically every morning. Like, I watch every minute of every game. I write about him, I obsess about him, like everybody. And he's a guy, Luka, who... There's great players, and then there's the next level of guys who actually make people in a city feel something. Feel a certain type of way. People felt a certain type of way about Dirk, but with Dirk it was about the story, and
Starting point is 00:04:01 that took time. I would contend that the Dirk love really went off the charts after they lost in 06 but the Dirk love was really kind of about a story of like perseverance and hey I want that guy to get one. The complete opposite of Dirk was true with Luca in that Luca showed up and had no fear. Dirk wanted to go back. Luca showed up and had no fear, and the first reports we heard about him once he got to Dallas were from when they were running
Starting point is 00:04:33 five on five in practice, in camp, and it was really not about what he was doing on the floor, pass-wise, shot-wise, it was, this guy's a motherfucker. Like he already knows he's the best player on the team. He acts like he's the best player in the league That is a it that is an extremely unique situation So when you get a guy like that Hell I would walk into the arena when I went to games with my chest puffed out a little bit like yeah Okay, I might drop 50 in here tonight. He's a guy who made the city feel a certain way
Starting point is 00:05:08 in a confidence and a buzz. Like there's great players who put up a lot of numbers and win and don't give you that. You just, in any sport, there's like three of those guys every decade or two and you had one of them. So even if these were like widgets, it would be a bad trade on paper. Lucas production, faults, everything.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Traded for Anthony Davis, production faults, everything in a first round pick, on paper is a bad trade. If you factor in that these are not widgets, these are people that mean something to a community, that means something to the rest of the team, once you factor that in, it's unconscionable to move on from him at this point. And we can get into all the reasons, none of them really make any sense.
Starting point is 00:05:56 He will score 80 against the Mavs. I hope he does. Because that's the kind of, that's what you say when he's an FU guy. Yeah. That's who he is is you don't anger him don't Anyway I was saying I listened to it and ingested all that I could and Called my buddy who works for the Cavs Because I like to get his you know, I think they're are 20 on the Mavs right now, by the way. His NBA takes.
Starting point is 00:06:28 And he said he likes it for the Mavs. I'm like, wait, what? How are you saying this? Why? And his thought is just like very short term. He can see where this is a win. Where Anthony Davis is great. Where it fits with this Mavs team. But I... I mean, I have to agree with everything you said.
Starting point is 00:06:53 It's... it's not just about... one guy for one guy for a year. It's about so much more. It's about the franchise, it's about the way he saw Dirk. I kind of come down with this. This is where I've come down in the end. Is that now this is the second seemingly indefensible move by a Dallas sports team in a couple of weeks. The first one is hiring Brian Schottenheimer. When you have all the resources, when you're the most valuable franchise in sports, to make a move like that is, I think, a terrible, terrible move. Nowhere near this. But, it feels like the move was made. There's a lot of financial reasons for that. Is Jerry Jones cash poor?
Starting point is 00:07:48 Is he just stingy with his cash? But it feels like that could be the only reason because you heard that Anthony Davis waved his trade kicker. What a guy. Which is a $6 million bonus if he does get traded. Why would he just waive that though? He waived it and it keeps the MAVs under the cap. Under the tax, I think.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Yeah, the April, whatever the point is that it was a money-saving situation. He's Luka up for the supermax this summer. But yes, if you want to get into, oh, some people are saying, well, it's because they're worried about his conditioning and guaranteeing that money. He's even with bad conditioning. So let's look at the results. He's who he is.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Like, imagine if the light bulb does go off. Which, Dirk, I've referenced this many times. He was on bad radio every year and I heard him say multiple times, I didn't really start taking my body seriously until my late 20s, maybe even 30. Lucas 25. They were in the finals last year. So let's talk about the short term. So the team you have right now was in the finals last year. So let's talk about the short term. So the team you have right now is in the finals last year. They're playing at a 60-win pace before a rash
Starting point is 00:09:10 of injuries. Probably statistically will end up being the most injured season in Mavs history, if not at least the last two decades. So the team you had when healthy had shown the ability to be a 58-60-win team. You were in the finals last year. You were playing really well whenever the team was healthy this year, so now you're saying you're closer in the short term now? Well the only way to be closer in the short term now is to be the odds-on favorite to win the fucking finals now. How are you closer in the short term when you were there last year. So if you're closer now, you better be like actually in the finals this year.
Starting point is 00:09:49 And you better be in the finals talking next year. Yeah, you were there last year and you made the team better in the off season. You made the team better. Lively's an internal upgrade that's only getting better. But then even consider this. What if they win this year? I don't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:10:07 I don't care. And I'm not alone in that. Like there's two games on the calendar for the rest of the regular season. I had intentions of buying tickets, go with a buddy, go with the wife, always go to one or two playoff games. I don't care. I don't want to go. I don't want to watch this game that they're playing right now tomorrow morning like I normally would. I don't care. Yeah, Anthony Davis isn't our guy. No, that's the thing. I'm kind of with you here.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Even if they win the, and the thing is, for this to be a win of a trade, They have to. They must win the championship. Yeah. In the next two years. Yeah, and that's really all it is. And see, you say short term, and I could see that argument
Starting point is 00:10:47 that they're going to be very good that your friend is making. The problem is, Kyrie can opt out this summer if he wants. Like, he's up now. He would only opt out if he thinks he can get more money, so maybe he looks at 45 mil and says, I gotta grab that. Well, his negotiating power now with the Mavs.
Starting point is 00:11:05 For sure, but I mean, this ain't Kyrie of a couple years ago. In fact, they should max him out today. Why wait till the summer? Yeah, I mean. You absolutely have to. What if you lost Kyrie? What if he doesn't want to be here? If I were him, I'd be like, what?
Starting point is 00:11:19 This is what I signed up for, all this? I gotta constantly talk, not got to, I believe he believes it, but this is my Hermano, our families got to know each other. What makes this organization special from other ones I've been in is that it's a family and that shit doesn't live here anymore. For all their faults, the old regime did things in one way and clearly this one does it in a different way
Starting point is 00:11:40 that Holdovers and Family and the Mark Dirke left, none of that shit matters to them at all anymore. It clearly doesn't because the problem is they're set up in this short term. Let's say Kyrie Opsen or he or he re-signs today even. They're good for two years. Luka will be 27 or 28 at that time. Yeah. When Luka, when they get the pick they're getting in 2029, Luka will be 27 or 28 at that time. Yeah When Luca when they get the pick they're getting in 2029 Luca will be in his age 29 2030 season So Lucas and the Lakers we think this is the last time the Lakers are gonna pull some shit like this They're gonna be good while they have Luca. So your pick there will suck
Starting point is 00:12:19 Oklahoma City has your 2028 first round pick in a swap so Almost certainly Kyrie and AD's effectiveness are done. Then you're a bottom 10 team. Why don't you ship that shit right up 35 to Oklahoma City and they'll send you back their 29th overall pick they just got for finishing with the fourth best record in the league.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Their rebuild here is fucked. The only thing they have is the next two years where they have to win a title and then maybe we'll all feel like I guess it was worth it but I'm not sure I ever will. Not you know not to the degree I would have if the guy that we'd gone through the battles with had won. This is the worst thing there's something to that that can happen to you as a sports fan outside of somebody dying. There's a lot to that. The enjoyment part?
Starting point is 00:13:07 Yeah, just have gone through the battles with this guy. We're the ones who drafted this guy. Yeah. We were laughing at these other teams that would actually pass on him in the draft, or this one dumb team that would trade this guy. And then, you're that team now. It's just, if you want to get into the
Starting point is 00:13:31 sort of reverse engineering of the narrative conditioning, Dave McVeneman had an article this morning that said that he was up in the 260s while he's been hurt. And I don't care, because he was on track to come back February 8th. His dad, I believe, even has been on Slovenian TV tonight, you know, for the game, being broadcast over there since it's a day game in the States. Iz talks on with him. Here's Luka's dad, who we know is a bit of a wild card, but still.
Starting point is 00:13:59 With this trade, hypocrisy from the Mavs hurts me personally. I think Luka absolutely did not deserve this. I know he sacrificed a lot. I know Luca really respected Dallas. He respected the whole city. He helped children in it. It was not a problem for him to go to hospitals and charity events. He played 100 games last season for like 40 minutes a game.
Starting point is 00:14:18 That's a little exaggerated, but not that much. Constantly being doubled, I feel like it's really unfair from certain people from Dallas. He said his injuries basically gone he's already training everything is going as planned and is fine. So are you telling me that his calf strains happen because he's out of shape? It's possible if your frame can't handle that weight, fine. He's gonna miss 20 games a year. If you traded him for a guy who was as good as him, who played 80 games a year maybe, to trade him for a guy who's seven years older, six years older, who also misses a ton of games,
Starting point is 00:14:58 and isn't in his stratosphere as a player, blaming the conditioning thing is insane. Oh, okay, you want defense. You're going to be a defense team now? According to Tim McMahon, that's what Nico's saying. And he mentioned that a little bit in his press conference. Kyrie Irving is kind of a turnstile. I don't know if anybody's noticed. Klay Thompson, not really guarding anybody like he used to. Okay, so they're not going to be like a top five defensive team. They may be able to be top ten, but they're going to backslide so much on offense.
Starting point is 00:15:32 It's not even anywhere close to worth it. Not even close. The trade is Luca, Maxi, Markheaf, Morris for Anthony Davis, Max Christy, and the Lakers number one pick in 2029. Also, the Jazz are involved somehow. Danny Ains got a... And the Mavs ended up having to send a second there. So this is one of those things like whereBear was traded, and I think four first round picks went to Utah.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Yeah, four or five. Yeah, but you had it swaps. And then there's swaps, and the thought was, wow, if GoBear can get that now, just imagine what they could get if they ever wanted to trade Luca. I mean, Mikhail Bridges got five first. Mikhail Bridges, a guy who many casual NBA fans are like, which one? Not the bad one?
Starting point is 00:16:36 So one of the great points I've heard is, well, what if you had called every NBA team just to indicate we want to trade Luca. At least you would then have an auction. Well, so I've been trying to work my way through that, right? Because the reporting is that Nico and Rob Polinka, the Lakers general manager, started talking, quote, basketball a month ago. And I don't know that the quotes on this do any favor, any favors to Nico. He said, this is to the morning news, then all of a sudden we're like, would you ever do this? Nah, you're joking, right? Hmm, interesting, maybe I would.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Now I don't know who's who in that conversation, but if you're trying to propose a deal to somebody and they're like, are you fucking joking? Then it's probably tap the breaks time. But my thought is like, okay, so they engage the Lakers, there's reports that there was at least one or two have the breaks time. But my thought is like, OK, so they engage the Lakers. There's reports that there was at least one or two other teams that they called.
Starting point is 00:17:28 And those teams said no, which is insane to me. I'd love to know what offer that was, that another team turned down for Luka, like what the Mavs were asking for. I would think Wemby and Jokic are the only two guys in the whole league I would think you would say no I don't even want to talk yeah that would be the right decision but I also like if you if it was Milwaukee with Janis they'd be like yeah Luca you'd have to consider I'm going to yes now like yeah that's the whole bit. He's 25. Yeah He's 25. I think I heard I've listened to a lot of stuff
Starting point is 00:18:09 but what was the The thing as far as Luca has been an all NBA first team player five times There are five players in the entire NBA now currently Who have made five first team NBA, all NBA teams. There's only five current players. Lucas won. LeBron, Giannis, KD, and James Harden are the others. So he's on average eight years younger than those other four?
Starting point is 00:18:38 Yeah, the youngest there I think is Giannis, who's like 30, 31, and everybody else, you know, LeBron's obviously 40. Yeah, you don't, he's going to end up with nine first team all-NBAs because that's the trajectory that he's on. And also, this isn't like a, can't win the big one, time to pull the plug. They're just getting started! You know what I mean? It's not like they've been in the finals four times and they just kept coming up short and you go back to the drawing board like, fuck what are we gonna do? Like the Bills thinking about firing Sean McDermott or
Starting point is 00:19:18 like hell even in bead in Philadelphia. You know if they were like, look this just isn't gonna work. We've tried so many different permutations of it. You're hurt all the time. We don't know if you give a shit We're blowing it up, right? They've only been going this way I heard somebody say what if it's what if this wasn't them? They're worried about having an Embiid situation, but Embiid is not Luca either. No and Embiid was also Didn't play his entire first season or two in the states. Like, he had injury troubles that were known. Huge, huge injury troubles. Not like he missed a couple playoff games and he missed, you know, 15 games a year during the regular season. But
Starting point is 00:20:00 there's nothing. But how is this too? So we were like, oh you get he get 10 first round picks So they only got one first round pick and the Lakers have two Did he act did Nico asked for the other one and they're like no They I mean I'm hoping he had to have and in fact he's like actually I need a second for me You like these other teams, you know how the Mavs have thrown in a bunch of seconds, too? And look at the Timberlake. Look at certain teams are like, boy, they have 70 seconds
Starting point is 00:20:33 in the next five years. That's another bit. Because you can get some good value there, and you end up getting a guy like Jalen Brunson or somebody. Jokic, as a matter of fact. Max Christie. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Second round pick. The point is, so the Mavs ended up having to give up a second to make the deal. Like they were so horny to make the deal work. Like no, I don't need two first. Like the Lakers don't have enough, they didn't have enough to make a trade for Kyrie. That's insane. To call and be like, what's it going to take? And they're like, why are you the ones asking that?
Starting point is 00:21:09 What's it going to take for us to get Luca off our hands? You say, first of all, every first round pick you have. Yeah. I would have liked to get the white boy connect. Do they have enough to get Kyrie? No. Unless it was Anthony Davis for Kyrie. Right, because salaries and the like.
Starting point is 00:21:27 But yeah, I mean, people have obviously now they're pointing their guns not just at Niko, but at ownership. Really? This is working really pretty well. It's working really well. And let's go to that. Why'd you bring in Klay Thompson? Why'd you bring in 35-year-old Klay Thompson six months ago?
Starting point is 00:21:47 Was that for the future? To play with Luka. Of course. Have you seen what it looks like when Klay Thompson plays without Luka? The last couple games, he's been able to get his shot and knock him down. But before that, if you look at when Luka played with Klay
Starting point is 00:22:01 and when Klay played without Luka, they can't get him the ball. That ain't Kyrie, you know? Kyrie's an incredible scorer, he's a nice facilitator, but he's not Steph, he's not Luca, he's not... Clay is there to catch passes from Luca and shoot them. Lively is there because he's a lob threat, right? He's the perfect big to pair with Luca. That's why he's a lob threat, right? He's the perfect big to pair with Luka.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Like, that's why he's there. So you, hey, PJ Washington, that's a guy who fits perfectly with Luka, and with Kyrie for that matter. So you could do all this other shit to set it up. Everybody has been saying, this is the most talented the Mavericks roster is. They're the least reliant on Luka.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Like, think about that. At the start of the year, it's like, oh, it's gonna be a little bit more of an evenly distributed and dispersed offense. It's gonna be more democratic. That way we're not super, super reliant on Luka. We were all like, that sounds great, because that's what, in the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:22:59 you're gonna need to have to work it to the weak side. Second, third options. Little did we know, they were setting themselves up to see what it would look like to play without him. Well, it wasn't good, at least the second time around. Now, it wasn't with Anthony Davis, but you digress. It felt like they had set themselves up with veteran players, with pieces, frankly,
Starting point is 00:23:24 that are worth more to the Mavs than they are to other teams. Just like the Saquon Eagles Giants argument right? Like Saquon was worth a lot more to Philadelphia than he was to the Giants. That could be said about PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, Najee Marshall, and Quinton Grimes. And Derek Lively for that matter. Those are guys who in a vacuum, you're like, I don't know. But here, makes a lot of sense.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Is this the most stunning trade in NBA history? I think it's gotta be on the list of, you know, the top five to 10 of stunning trades in the history of sports. So it's gotta be a top three or four NBA win. Yeah, I mean, Jason Kidd in 96 was a big deal. I mean, he didn't demand a trade. There weren't inklings of it.
Starting point is 00:24:14 That's the craziest part about it. You live in the NBA where you are on eggshells all the time, worried that your star player is gonna be like, I hate it here and I want to leave. You know how I know that? Cause Anthony Davis did it for a year in New Orleans. It happens all the time. The biggest threat once you get a star is that that star becomes disgruntled. You were lucky enough to not have that happening.
Starting point is 00:24:41 You had no hard in the situation. You had no Kawhi, no Jimmy Butler, no bullshit. He was chill. And you got in front of it to get away from him. And there's also a difference between a star player and Luka. Yeah. Yes. There's a list of three at any given time, maybe one. You know, he's a, and it's not, he's a star player. He's the level above star player that is Aluka, but he also has that mental side of him that inspires people to watch him. He makes you proud, like seriously dude,
Starting point is 00:25:18 I would go into games like, I'm feeling fucking, yeah, I feel good right now. As great as Dirk was, that wasn't always the case with Dirk. You know, but that matters to me. I think that matters to a basketball team. No, he's so good that Dirk right away is like, he's better than me. He's, I'm now the second best player in Mav's history.
Starting point is 00:25:41 So you, are you saying that like, if you were to settle on a reason, the reason would have to be primarily financial for a couple years from now? Yeah, like it's because this summer the supermax is looming. Okay, I'm gonna play you a Niko clip. And I don't know who these new owners are. I clearly don't like them. No, and the crazy thing is is like Rick Welts, the guy they hired to be their CEO and president, who was with the Warriors forever, that guy's like the best in the business.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And Machine and I had a chance to sit down with him last week for round ball talk, which I think will air this week. And you know, my general question for him was like, I don't think people really understand what you do. Like, what is your job? You don't make trades, you don't play, you don't coach. And it's just kind of understanding how to make the fans happy. Whether it's game experience, whether it's business operations. So when they hired him, it
Starting point is 00:26:39 made me think like, oh shit, this ownership group, all they care about is that the fans are happy. That's a move to go get the best at that. He spoke to us about it. I think a pro sports team really means something to a city, to a community. It shapes the way people feel. It's weird, but that's the way it is. You factor that in and it's shocking.
Starting point is 00:27:03 I don't know much about the new owners either, but the difference between Luca taking that Supermax and the tax that it would kick in, and just if they had an average NBA salary bill, what was it, like 80 million? 90 million? Because you think it's like, okay, a difference between 40 and 50 for his salary
Starting point is 00:27:23 and then the tax above that. Do you know how much more Above the super max Luca generates in revenue. He's one of the guys that as you've always said you might have three of them for these ever That you would pay a billion dollars a year to as a team if you could Like the Browns always been underpaid Tyler Harrow hero gets us get to max it's like nobody fact that... Yeah, the bronze has always been underpaid. Tyler Hero gets a max. It's like, nobody thinks that's worth that. The Mavs are currently losing by literally 40 points. It's 85 to 44. Yeah. They're banged up. But you know what I'm saying? Like, let's try to make the financial part of it make sense. Okay, so the new owners are like, we've got to save some money. I don't think they understand how the economics of the NBA work because the cash machine you can get they had,
Starting point is 00:28:11 which is a guy that you cannot pay enough money to. Seriously, dude, I don't want to go to a game. Who wants to go to a game right now? Just a boo. Just a graffiti Bad words about Nico which I guess people have been doing at the AAC Here's a little bit from his press conference today or let's just start things off a little fun Because that's what he thought he'd do. This is the pregame press conference and Jay kid normally does but of course Nico was there All right, I'll open it up. Thanks for everybody for coming.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Jay, is it normally this crowd of pre-game speeches? No, they don't want to hear about everybody. No, on a serious note, we definitely understand the magnitude of what just transpired. Yeah, let's read the room, bro. Don't need it, pal. Don't need any jokes. Don't need it. Now, this is the part, if we're talking about how they wanted to get in front of the Super
Starting point is 00:29:06 Max that's going to haunt me forever. Yeah, I think it wasn't really like a point. I think it was like how do we make our team better. You know, there's some unique things about his contract that we had to pick. Those things are unique because he's one of the best players to ever touch a basketball It's not like there was some weird shit written into his contract where you're like if you read the fine print There's some esoteric stuff in there that we really have to work around The fine print is you have one of the few basketball players the league allows to make three hundred and forty five million dollars
Starting point is 00:29:41 That's it That we had to pay attention to. You know, there's other teams that were loading up, you know, that he was going to have. Why were they doing that? Why would those other teams have been loading up? Of course they're going to load up. To make him an offer. That's why you sign it before he gets the free agency.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Yeah. Like, you're almost there. Loading up, you know, that he was going to was gonna be able to decide is make his own decision at some point And whether he wants to be here or not Whether we want a super maximum or not or whether he wants to opt out so I think we had to take all that into consideration and Feel like we got out in front of what could have been a tumultuous summer You're gonna have a tumultuous summer. Oh no! You were gonna have a tumultuous summer! Oh no! Well I'm so glad!
Starting point is 00:30:27 Then I feel great for you. Yeah. That you can kind of breathe easy now. Chill out a little bit. You're not... Yeah. I really didn't... You know who's probably having like a pretty chill time? The GM of the Wizards because he's like, oh fuck it, we've won six games. There's really not much I can do about this. Let's just kind of cash it in. Yeah, but that guy is sitting there gearing up to try and get Luca. Now the poor Lakers that have to worry about the Washington Wizards GM. I don't have to worry about that anymore. It's great to not have a guy people are gearing up to get. Think about the logic. So here's what happened. You offer him the super max this summer, right? If he says yes, it's done and dusted, he's in.
Starting point is 00:31:08 He's not getting, there's no free agency, unrestricted, he's not going out there. If he says no, are you telling me that if he said no and said I'm going to play out another year or he opts out after the next year and you want to trade him before he gets to the market, are you saying you would have gotten less than this? You won't believe what you could have gotten. Less than this? The only reason to move him now is you're like,
Starting point is 00:31:35 shit, maybe we get way out in front. You know, we have a secret little deal with the- Unless this is a, what do you call it when an injury just keeps getting worse and worse and you can't. Like it's a degenerative. Degenerative. So unless they know some secret thing about this injury.
Starting point is 00:31:53 It better be like 100%. Like if he's still in the league at the age of 30, you've lost. Yes. Yes, he will have to retire forced by his body or his mind doesn't want to deal with it anymore because he does play in a very physical way. And I've heard guys say before that, you know, when Luca talks about or he's asked about LeBron and these records that Luca will joke, like, I'm not playing that long. So I could see if he doesn't want to go to 38. Yeah, if he doesn't.
Starting point is 00:32:24 35. Let's say he plays another five 38. Yeah if he doesn't 35. Let's say he plays another five years. Yeah at this level. I think I want that. Yeah and I think if I don't want that I want your entire draft for the next five years. So I think we had to take all that into consideration and feel like we got out in front of what could have been a tumultuous summer. Niko did you have any indication from him or his representation that he was going to opt out or not take the extension or anything like that? No, not at all. Not at all. Nothing, nothing verbally.
Starting point is 00:32:55 That would, that would lead me to believe that. You just assumed that? Do you just assume you don't call bill Duffy, his agent and say like, Hey, so we're thinking we do the 345 for five thing, he'll make the most money of any player ever. Like does that sound good to you? You didn't wait to hear if Bill Duffy was like actually no, he'd rather take 70 million dollars less and go play somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:33:17 You just made that assumption? For what? So it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense unless they wanted to keep it quiet and they were worried that if the whole league thought they were shopping him, somehow they wouldn't be able to get anything for him. How would that ever happen? I'm almost positive that right now you could go on television, you could get ahold of Luca,
Starting point is 00:33:48 we could walk out there with a handgun, shoot him in the leg, and have a live call in from NBA GMs and they're like, what will you give for him right now? Bull's still in there. And typically, those offers are gonna be more than 31 year old Anthony Davis in a first. How bad does it have to be for the value to be that low?
Starting point is 00:34:11 He's about to turn 32 also. Yeah, Luke is about to turn 26, he's about to turn 32. Which is quite a difference. And you think he's going to be fired up? Like 26 is usually where the prime starts in an athlete. Yeah. So it's like the next, you, if you think you've seen, you know, Luca's, Luca's been out of shape
Starting point is 00:34:33 and blah, blah, blah, and he hasn't hit his prime yet. And now, see, and I don't, here's what I don't wanna hear. I don't wanna hear the thing you heard with Nash. When Luka does, is winning championships for the Lakers or whatever, I don't want to hear that, oh yeah, well then he started taking things seriously and really got, I mean that wasn't the guy that he was here. Because I don't really, I don't buy that with Nash either. I think Nash would have been a great player either way.
Starting point is 00:35:04 Yeah. Well, the good news is that if it does happen that way, the king will get all the credit. There's a feature story that will be written. There's something to my two favorite players on the same team. I wanted it. I know, but just the other way around.
Starting point is 00:35:19 I mean, trust me, dude, there's a profile that will be written in 18 months about how Luca naps now and like sleeps 12 hours a night and uses the call map and has the chamber that LeBron has. That's gonna get written and they'll be writing that during the finals, you know, because LeBron's easily got another year left after this year and then from there they'll figure it out because people want to play with Luca. This makes me so mad about the Lakers too. Just because they just, I don't know, how do they do it? How do they figure out a way? Like all of a sudden they, you know, they have Kareem. Then they get into magic the Magic Johnson game when they had Kareem already
Starting point is 00:36:06 Then they somehow land Kobe Then they somehow land shaft, but the worst part is and they do the cassoultrade which people said should have been Like rejected by the league like the Chris was because they did trade they did also land Chris Paul In his prime and that got you you know, rejected by Stern. Then they land LeBron, because LeBron's just like, I want to be a Laker. But here's the thing, and LeBron was like that? They just get superstar after superstar.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I feel like in most of those cases, the players involved, I know for sure Anthony Davis, they expressed interest in going to the Lakers. Usually you're like, man, fuck, I hope my guy didn't want to move to LA, Miami or New York. Because it does happen. But this time that didn't happen. He just said, it's not like Luca has been crowing about how he wants to get to LA. That's just what cynical people have been saying. He was like, no, no. They just went ahead and did it.
Starting point is 00:37:06 I think he just wanted to play with Dorian. Dorian Phinney Smith is a Laker right now. I can't blame him. I know. I can't blame him. And here's the thing. When I watch Dorian with a Lakers jersey on, I'm like, ooh, don't love that. They're like, okay, what if?
Starting point is 00:37:23 What if we put the whole needle in your arm right now? It's crazy. Like him saying like, oh, we wanted to get in front of it. Hey, you know what I bought up? I bought a house near the ocean where there's a lot of hurricanes. There hadn't been one yet, but I'm worried about it. So I hired a fucking bulldozer and some fire hoses to come just kind of simulate a hurricane, knock all my shit down and just get in front of it.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I just hope that Nico is taking one for the ownership here. It's, you know, yeah. I hope. Right, let us hate him. Because I hope that he didn't just come up with this on his own and then convince ownership. Oh, here, listen to this. To trade.
Starting point is 00:38:04 And who knows, this is all public posturing, they're probably not saying whatever, but he's asked what he said to the owner, what the owner said when he brought it up. I'm sorry they're frustrated, but it's- The first question is, what do you say to fans? You know this one. I'm sorry they're frustrated, but it's something
Starting point is 00:38:19 that we believe in as an organization, it's gonna make us better. We believe that it sets us up to win, not only now, but also in the future. And when we win, I believe the frustration will go away. Neville, what was the conversation like with Patrick when he introduced this idea as well? The first time he laughed at me.
Starting point is 00:38:40 No, I mean- Hilarious. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. So the guy- I feel like there's Carlisle laughing there. Yeah. The guy who admittedly is new to basketball, you, basketball lifer, you played ball, you played overseas, you were at Nike forever, you got these relationships, you know the
Starting point is 00:38:58 culture, you see how the NBA works, you, and then the guy who's new to basketball, you went to him and he was like, can you even do that? I don't know much, but I know you don't trade that. And Nico's like, no, actually it's gonna be great because we're gonna play him at the four, Lively's gonna be at the five, and I'm tired of Luca weighing 265 pounds
Starting point is 00:39:22 whenever he can't train because he's hurt. So we're actually gonna try to shoot for the sixth seed for the next couple years and you know when he only wins one title in LA all have been right. And I don't know how the whole move the team deal factors into this at all. Here's the best thing with help from the listeners and people on Twitter that I can come up with. Cause in my mind I'm like, well, if you wanna move the team, wouldn't you just wanna like move the team with a superstar and let them just be the face
Starting point is 00:39:55 of the franchise in Las Vegas? Like that sounds awesome. So the idea is they want to completely just nuke goodwill among the fan base and the public here in Dallas. They want a new arena. It doesn't look like the gambling thing is going all that well. So then they put the new arena on a referendum and have it voted on among the public in one of the election cycles.
Starting point is 00:40:22 But the public fucking hates the Mavs at that point, so they turn it down, they overwhelmingly vote against the ballot measure, and then they use that as an excuse to move the team. That seems like a lot. It really does. Really though, that makes more sense to me right now than just trading Luka Donsic for what you traded him for.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Yeah. I mean, that absolutely makes more sense to me. Like I'm, I'm more inclined to believe that. Well for that to be true, that means that, uh, Dumont and you know, uh, miss IDF must have somehow communicated to Nico we're not offering that super max. So you're going to need to figure out a way to get something for him. to Niko, we're not offering that Super Max. So you're gonna need to figure out a way to get something for him, because you know that if we don't offer it this summer,
Starting point is 00:41:12 everybody's gonna be freaked out, he's gonna be freaked out, and that's when the tumult starts, right, is when you don't offer it. So if he was told like, hey. Right, that's what I, I want that to be true. Yes. Only then I can... Be pissed at them because they're...
Starting point is 00:41:29 Yeah, and I don't know who they are anyway except for their political ties, which... You know that they're into real estate and gambling and that it's not like they came from the sports world. Like I would say Cuban even though... I would say he came from the sports world because he was a fan. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, I would think Cuban would never do this No, I think he and he commented but was just like I didn't know but I never would have thought he would have known But no, I don't think he would do this. I don't think Jerry would do this Like he understands at least that like you got to have the star players that the fans love
Starting point is 00:42:01 Because even when shit is dire, you're like, yeah, Even if they're good, let's say they're good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so Nico's kind of new to basketball too, a little bit. Do you think that he thinks, like you know how they have to draft players every year because there's a draft? Does he think you have to make a big deal at the trade deadline every year? Yeah, I mean what it's seven in a row so that's every year that he's been here. He has made a huge, he does, he did the Kristaps
Starting point is 00:42:33 deal, did the Kyrie deal. Last year it was you know PJ and Gaff and that's why it's crazy to me because most of the stuff he's done It's worked out pretty well You know they traded in the draft and got lively It's a great pick Pretty much everything they've done For the last couple years has worked out to some extent What would this be like if you traded Patrick Mahomes after he lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady?
Starting point is 00:43:09 I don't know. He can't win it. He can't win it. We're a little worried. He's been banged up. We don't think that body projects well. I mean, it's funny you say that because obviously- We're going to trade him for Aaron Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:43:24 It's not that far off. It's not that far off. But Kansas City, you also have to throw in a pick. Oh, man. Yeah, and the funny thing is a lot of people replied to me like in addition to maybe we can hope that we find out that the team is actually hemorrhaging money or the family and that there's a financial reason for this. Everybody's searching for it. It's gotta be something more than just you want more defense
Starting point is 00:43:54 and you're worried about it's conditioning. Which by the way, Nico didn't comment on the conditioning part. But I'm right there with him. It has to be more. Yeah, so the other more is, like now, you do kind of have to hope that there's like a major medical situation. As you said, a degenerative situation where he's not going to be right ever again. I've seen no indication of that. He is going to be back in the next week.
Starting point is 00:44:31 It's, it's, um... Do you have the, the... I saw... a quote, but I didn't see the press conference. Do you have the thing where there's, he's like, talking about the future and now, and he's he's like well ten years from now. It's If you pair him with with Kyrie and the rest of the guys he fits right along
Starting point is 00:44:55 With our time frame to win now and beating he's also pretty old Where is the problem that you think Lucas timeline doesn't match up because he's 25 because he's already better than all the other guys who are 30 outside of maybe one. With our time frame to win now and win in the future. And in the future to me is three, four years from now. The future 10 years from now. I don't know. I don't think they probably bear me and Jay by then or we bear ourselves. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Well, the funny thing about the saying that you think the future is three to four years from now, you could reasonably assume that the age 26, 27, 28, and 29 seasons of Luca Dacic's career were going to be the best ones. So when you say you're about the future and the future to you is the near future of three to four years, that's his prime. That's, this is the part we've been waiting to get to seriously, dude, for the last like four or five years, basically since Luca came in the league, every year we get,
Starting point is 00:46:03 we get pissed about moves that they make that they didn't make and I keep coming back to in my head I'm like this is a journey nobody wins it when they're 22 nobody wins it when they're 23 we're just getting started to the part where you're like oh shit now he's 25 like he's getting it they're figuring out what to put around him. This is the part where you start winning big. They were actually ahead of schedule by some measures, being in the conference finals a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:46:35 This is the time I've been waiting on, of like, all right, now, now we're good to go. And that's when they decided to pull the plug. And decided to pull the plug without telling the player. Without telling the coach. Without telling Kyrie. Hell, as of this morning I'm pretty sure Nico said he still hadn't talked to Luca. You don't think guys around the league take note of that?
Starting point is 00:47:00 He didn't call Luca last night? Said he'd only talked to Duffy. You telling me that Kid didn't know about this before? Kid said he found out at the quote 11th hour right before it broke. He was definitely not consulted. It was done when he found out. And Nico said, you know, I don't have to ask him about specific players because I know the type of players that he likes.
Starting point is 00:47:29 And of course, he loves Anthony Davis, you know, he coached him in LA. I'm clearly though then in the camp that this is ownership driven, financial driven. There can be no other explanation. There's no way that you don't talk to Jason Kidd about, well, I mean, this isn't a Christian Wood level move. Right. Because they certainly didn't consult each other on that move. Right. And I would have thought that was part of Nico's learning curve on, you know what, maybe
Starting point is 00:48:00 I should be talking to the coach about the roster I put together so that he's not subtweeting me during every press conference talking about how the players that I've been given suck. Right. Yeah, well we'd love to be a defensive team, but... By the way, he's a Laker too, I think. Christian Wood? Isn't he currently still a Laker? Is he?
Starting point is 00:48:22 I thought he was out of the league. I think he's on the Lakers. There you go. So Luca gets to play with him again. That is a very funny twist to this that I had not considered because he definitely hated playing with Christian Wood. And it's funny just reading about the Lakers part of this, the back story.
Starting point is 00:48:43 There was about a week and a half ago the brow came out was like we need another big because I'm better when I'm playing the four and you know a year ago it was them asking LeBron around the trade deadline of hey what do you think the team should be doing right now and his answer was you know what the fuck they should be doing and that has basically carried into this year where LeBron and Anthony Davis have not so subtly been like you got to go get us more where the team is like you know we did that and it was one of the worst basketball experiments we've ever witnessed with Russell Westbrook there so there's been this
Starting point is 00:49:23 like Anthony Davis and LeBron against Rob Pelika and Jeannie Buss thing kind of brewing. And Jeannie Buss is apparently not too thrilled that she constantly has to deal with these guys complaining in the media. So you got them a massive get out of jail free card. Because LeBron could leave. LeBron could leave this off season if he wanted to. I doubt he now will, but he could. So they had their own problems, and you just bailed them out.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Maybe they're happy if he does, well I don't know about that. But they have their next one, and that's the thing. And GenieBuzz is gonna be like, look, Luca, you know how we treat superstars. We give them everything and you will have everything. And I can't believe you left a place that wouldn't want to give you the supermax. We can't do that because they're not allowed to.
Starting point is 00:50:22 That was the way that you could get, you know, your team could retain you. You know why the league is set up that way? So you can keep the players you drafted and have an advantage in doing so. That's the point. Yeah. Like most teams are, every team is trying to keep, if you get a Luka, a LeBron, a Steph, just somebody like this, you don't want them to be able to leave so easily. So you can offer more. And that's apparently what the Mavs new owners didn't want to do. That's the only thing I can see as to how this kind of makes sense. They're not into basketball.
Starting point is 00:51:06 They're not into good feelings. They don't care about that. They care about the bottom line. Just the money. Okay, so just the money. He's got some crazy degenerative medical condition. What do you think on Niko Sleeper Cell? What do you think on Niko Sleeper Cell? Well, I know Niko is a big Anthony Davis fan.
Starting point is 00:51:29 He worked with him. He was his rep. With Nike. Also worked with Polinko a lot, who was Kobe's agent. But my point is, first of all, that seems way too, just like dastardly that this whole thing is some sort of inside job. Like it just seems nakedly obvious if that were to be the case.
Starting point is 00:51:52 But also, if I were Jeannie Buss, I'm like, yeah, I don't know, why would I fire Rob Palenka? He just, he actually just executed the best trade in NBA history. So did you do this with like a wink wink, nod nod, like Rob you're gonna be gone, Niko's coming in, if you agree to do this? I don't know, I don't buy that.
Starting point is 00:52:15 This is the type of shit, to be honest with you, that if you're a basketball lifer, and you care about guys like Kyrie and Klay Thompson, who you brought here, you fucking changed their entire lives and brought them here, sold them on the vision around Luka Donchich. This is the type of thing where if ownership comes to you
Starting point is 00:52:36 and says, this is what we want you to do, you quit on the spot. And you know what you are? A hero. You're a hero. You do an interview and you're like, I'm not on board with what they're trying to get me to do. This is against what I signed up for.
Starting point is 00:52:50 I signed up to bring a basketball team to a very good fan base that enjoys it, supports it, it's a mutual, reciprocated relationship, and you're aware of how much this will wreck that and you resign. You don't need the money. You just leave. You do not follow through with the code red. You just leave. That's how bad this is. And for him, instead, apparently, he was like, yeah, let me see what I can get for him. And then they joked at the press conference. Unless we're to believe that this was actually was like, yeah, let me see what I can get for it. And then they joked with the Prescott. Unless we're to believe that this was actually Nico's idea.
Starting point is 00:53:30 It's being sold that way. But, yeah, I mean, just the fact that he even brought up the Supermax tells me right there. Yeah. Because, like you said, that's viewed as a benefit for teams. Yeah. That you get to keep this awesome player. He can't just go get a higher bid elsewhere. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:53:56 I don't know. And let me just look at my notes. My interest in the Mavs has done a 1-8. No, and I'm... I've been barely watching them while Luke has been hurt. There's been a lot going on with the Cowboys. The players in the maps have done a 1-8. I've been barely watching them while Luke has been hurt. There's been a lot going on with the Cowboys. Just because Luke has been hurt.
Starting point is 00:54:10 He's been hurt. Yeah. And it's not just him, right? Like, Lively's easily their third most important player, and he's out. Kyrie was in and out. And I loved, yes, you had this thing you were building. You add a savvy veteran around. You've made some great trades, but you have your guy,
Starting point is 00:54:30 your homegrown superstar hero. You've added Lively. I can't wait to see them together when they're both in their 30s. I would be pinching myself all the time. With a couple of championships. PJ's only 25. Gafford, I'm like, like 25 26 years old like these are
Starting point is 00:54:46 not old players Najee Marshall's 27 or something Quinton Grimes these are players who are his age and right around his age and the other thing too is unless I'm just getting completely gas lit by everybody I know who covers the team and probably more specifically works for the team, I have not heard anything about him being like a pain in the ass. Now is he going to be as amenable as like JJ Barea was or Yogi Feral? Probably not. You know?
Starting point is 00:55:24 But he's for a player of that caliber, I've not heard anybody say like, fuck this guy sucks. He sucks to be around. It's a drag and a drain on everyone. Like you've said before, Kyrie was in his, his time in Cleveland that he actually was a very immature guy who made people around him feel bad at that time. And you'll hear about that. I heard that about Christian Wood. You'll hear that about certain guys. When they're like that, you hear about it. So unless I've just had that information completely withheld from me
Starting point is 00:55:56 regarding Luca, that's not a thing. You know people inside the Mavs. I go to the Mavs office every week. And it's, yeah, like, I've never heard any of that stuff either. No. But I did about certain people when they were here. So you know it's a thing.
Starting point is 00:56:16 Yeah, early on. Like, I heard Christian Wood. And that pained me, because I liked Christian Wood. But I was like, oh, really? OK. Like, you hear about if But like, oh, really? Oh, OK. You hear about if guys are bad guys or bad teammates, or the worst thing about Luca is just how much he wanted to win. Right, even his negative actions, like the yelling at the refs
Starting point is 00:56:37 thing, you're like, all right, I wish you didn't do that, but I get it. Now the conditioning thing, I could get where a team would be frustrated by that. But he's not... He's still... He's not Zion fat. No.
Starting point is 00:56:49 No, and he's not Zion hurt either. We're acting like this is, again, we're acting like this is Kawhi or Paul George or Joel Embiid or hell, to an extent, Anthony Davis for some amount of time. We're acting like it was Paul George who got like eight first rounders, including a MVP candidate. That's a funny thing too. I saw one of the Clippers blogs tweet out like a celebration video, like, holy shit, we're no longer the worst trade in NBA history. The SGA trade. So yeah, I haven't heard that about Luca. But on the conditioning front, what I was gonna say is,
Starting point is 00:57:27 if it was that bad, I feel like you had to at least start the conversation with him of like, this is so bad, we're so pissed off at you that if this doesn't get better, we're gonna trade you. And apparently, if he was shocked by it, they hadn't even really intimated that. You know what I mean? Like think about any relationship you have.
Starting point is 00:57:47 If you're like bothered by something to a point where you're gonna end it and it's a relationship you care about, you probably owe it to yourself and the other party to sit down beforehand and be like, this ain't right. I don't like where this is headed. And if some stuff doesn't change, we're gonna be looking in a different direction you at least figure that part out you don't
Starting point is 00:58:09 blindside him and I got dude tough shit we we don't see you we don't see you getting any any healthier and your habits suck at 25 that, that, that's, it's unconscionable. If financials aren't the basis, then there is no real logical, I mean, I also think financials is not a logical reason, because I think he would have been worth it in the long run, no matter what. Like read this, this, this quote from Sam Amick this morning. And all this time later, the Lakers owner, Genie Buss, clearly growing tired of this disgruntled dance and the chance of a basketball lifetime presented
Starting point is 00:58:53 by a Dallas Mavericks team that was quietly desperate to move on from Luka Doncic. Desperate, Sam Amick from the Athletic is like one of the most plugged in guys in the game. And he's using the word desperate. Like, that the Mavericks over the last month, Niko, had resolved to... We're fucking moving this guy. It's gonna happen. Only to this team? No, well, he just says desperate, but the results in the reporting would indicate that they didn't exactly open it up to 29 others.
Starting point is 00:59:27 But yeah, obviously desperate in that the Lakers could be like not two first rounders. Right, they have you over a barrel. You can't have the 2031. I might rather have the 2031. Yeah, they may be bad by then. Because in 2029, Luka will be on that team. Yeah. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:59:49 You get a Luka and you're like, well, I can somehow build around that. Luka dragged a shitty team to the conference finals. And to the Mavs credit, they didn't say, you know what, we're pretty good here. We got to the conference finals. We'll probably get credit, they didn't say, you know what, we're pretty good here. We got to the conference finals, we'll probably get back. They didn't, they said we need to add, we need to make some crazy trades, we need to do stuff.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Give them great credit for that. Hell, they let Brunson go. Yeah, so now you make it to the finals, finals, and to their immediate credit, they still knew we need to add and they did so in the offseason yeah they were tinkering on the edges in a way the whole point is you just had this one guy you could build around him in different ways that's what the Lakers are thinking now like what's their future I don't know like LeBron I don't know how many years he has left, but now I have this guy.
Starting point is 01:00:46 And I get like, we can just play around him and we're going to be at least a certain amount of good because we have him. Yeah, it's not the, he's the type of good that no matter what his deficiencies are, you don't trade him to try to address them. So he's not a good defender. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:01:07 What all comes out in the wash is that he's one of the five best players in the league and he wants to play for you. That's it, end of story. All I've thought since he landed here is what, you know, how fortuitous is this? How lucky that it's getting Aaron Rodgers right after you have Brett Favre.
Starting point is 01:01:25 It's not fair. It's really not fair that you had Dirk and now you got this guy and he's even better than Dirk. And you didn't have to suck that hard to get him. No. He just fell here. The random... You didn't have to do a Wizards 10 years in a row of...
Starting point is 01:01:41 Yeah, or the Sixers, you know, where you're just like, fuck man, five first, we took a shot. Yeah, no, the random number generator that is life's algorithm spit this into your city randomly, and you're just like, oh, whoa, we got this guy? Didn't have to lose a hundred games over two seasons? And he's infectious, his smile, his... The way he plays. His swagger, the deep three, the step back.
Starting point is 01:02:10 That falls into your lap. Like that, as a fan, something like that might happen once in your entire sports life. There's a lot of people who never have that happen in their city. Ever. And when you lose it, it's on their terms and you're heartbroken. Yeah, because you're Cleveland and nobody wants to play there. And even that, that was, LeBron had signed two contracts. Yeah, KD in Oklahoma City.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Decided to leave on his own and they did everything they could. You know, and he was like, look, you're just not putting enough around me in the end. And then you kind of like you feel a little sad for the franchise you're like oh. But you know I could understand LeBron's point there and I felt sad for the Cavs too that you had to lose a LeBron like that. I don't feel sad for the Mavs right now no matter what happens. I don't either.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I think they deserve everything. And that's why I don't know what to do. Like as far as what we do, what I do, what I don't care. I don't I don't blame anybody. I've actually never had a situation that I looked at and thought it's okay if you just bail on your team and pick another until now. The Cavs one with LeBron is as close as I've ever been, but this one is worse. Right, positive. Okay. Is this, this is for you personally. Has this now become the number one worst Pro Bowl day in your life?
Starting point is 01:03:45 Yeah. Yeah, it's... Yeah. It somehow got worse. The first Pro Bowl day, for those who don't know, is the day your mom told you, you and her and your dad were going to get a divorce. That is true. During the Pro Bowl. That is true. Yeah. And...
Starting point is 01:04:04 You wake up on this Pro Bowl morning. I gotta be honest, and I don't think I'm exaggerating here. Just at the time, which probably just means that I wasn't that aware of what was going on in the world, I don't remember feeling this bad. 32 years ago. What did, uh, you were telling me something earlier. You're like, did you see Wind Horse? What did Wind Horse have again? Um, let me see if I can find it and play it on the fly. I don't know if that'll work, but, um.
Starting point is 01:04:36 You remember what we were talking about? Yeah, yeah. Let me try this one and see if it'll play. Because he said that a player texted him and said, that it's, the player texted him like, do you know how much the Mavericks must hate Luka Doncic? A player texted him and said that? Yeah, because there's no way you get traded.
Starting point is 01:05:00 I know that there's a temptation to focus on the Lakers here because they potentially just acquired the next great Laker and it's an amazing story. We look at the history of their franchise, but the story of the moment and what my phone is filling up with is the reaction to the Dallas Mavericks making this move. I had an all star current NBA All-Star text me and say, do you know how much the Mavericks must hate Luca? I mean, this is what they're talking about in the league. I've had, you know, veteran coaches text me and say, they can't believe, they saw this. They just have never seen anything like this.
Starting point is 01:05:37 And- That's probably enough. By the way, after many, many years of me saying I respected him for being on television and just kind of sticking with being Wendy When he's losing weight Is he on the pick? Haven't heard that but he did he definitely looks thinner. He looks younger Well, maybe he's starting to think about his mortality
Starting point is 01:06:04 As people do when they hit their 40s or so. Yeah, and they do that also when you trade away one of the things that brings you joy in life, because I'm thinking about it today. Like, what's the point of this? And by this, I mean any of it. Mav's down 43. I forgot to look and see what the spread was before the game because a couple of buddies are like, it doesn't matter what it is.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Take the calves. It had to be under 43, right? I'm willing to bet it was under 43. Yeah. Does it say? It doesn't say once the game gets going, does it? Let's just see. Look at the game cast, might that tell us?
Starting point is 01:06:51 Yeah, maybe, but... What do you think of the Sunday stream? It's alright. Can we take the rest of the week off? Uh, no, I think we've got stuff to do. Eleven and a half. Yeah, that seems like more than 11 and 1 half. Oh, now the in-game spread is now 44 and 1 half.
Starting point is 01:07:10 I guess they adjust that as the game goes on. Yeah, you're not allowed to get points if your team is up by. I can't jump on 11 and 1 half right now? No, I don't think so. Damn, because that seems like really good value for me. The fact that the Mavs called them The fact that he didn't know the fact that they then tried to somehow push I guess it was Nico to Tim McMahon that it's about his conditioning and
Starting point is 01:07:37 Dave McBenham in from ESPN this morning that he's he's up over 260 while he's out Just fucking save it. Yeah, I don't care. All that sort of posture. I don't care if he said, you know what? I'm actually just liking it being out, and I just want to sit out the rest of the year. Take your time. All right.
Starting point is 01:07:53 You've unfortunately had the leverage to do that. Because we've seen other guys do it. We've seen plenty of other guys do it. That's what makes having a superstar in the NBA hard. You don't then just be like, hey, that grenade, what if we put it in our pocket? That's what they did. That's all I got, man. We'll be live tomorrow at 11 11, right?
Starting point is 01:08:26 I don't know. Come on, we'll be live tomorrow at 11 11. Check out dmagazine.com in the morning. So what about 7 7 or 7 8? That's no longer Luca Day? I think it's 7, is it 7 6 or 7 7? I'm not sure. Well it's either 7 6 or 7 8. or 7-7? I'm not sure. Well, it's either 7-6 or 7-8, because 7-7 was the police shooting.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Yeah, so maybe they'll have to travel to LA for it. Or we could celebrate it at least this year, like on July 6, we do our own Jan 6. What's Anthony Davis's number? Right now? I don't even care. I don't even care about Anthony Davis. I don't care at all. No. Like if you had said I acquired Anthony Davis to pair with Luca. Yeah, yeah. Like Luca is just. I mean to be honest with you, if you had told me you wanted to trade Kyrie for Anthony Davis, I would have been in on that. It's tough, but I would have been in on that. This, no, no.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Well, I don't know. I don't know what else to say. Other than this has been very therapeutic. I'm incredibly, incredibly bummed. Are you doing your Mavs TV thing tomorrow morning? You record on Monday or no? Yeah, we do I guess as of right now. Yeah, that's the point. That's gonna be a tough deal for people who work for the Mavs. I know I know and look, your follow-well always tries to put on something happy when he goes on the ticket I think this has to be killing coop because he knows this sucks It does other than you know coop did have a very coop tweet of like this sucks, but it is you know
Starting point is 01:10:10 Great for the league very exciting trade It's like to come on That's not let's not try to find the the other my league banner Hey your your Nielsen ratings banner it's all I got man all right adios mofo we gotta go before this becomes a zoo I heard there was a wonder boy That many teams were not employed But you don't really care for euros, do you? So where would he go, the fourth, the fifth Or would he fall and be an egg? The baffling kings took back Lee over Luka Hallelujah, hallelujah
Starting point is 01:11:34 Well his game was strong but we needed proof We hadn't seen him play mezu But his playmaking and passing overthrew you And he let the break, it wasn't fair His step back three flew through the air It fell and Dallas traded up for Luka Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah Well maybe he should have been your pick Even though he's white and thick He's colder than a tall glass of kombucha And we all cheered for his debut, an injured duck was cheering too And every messenger shouted, Hallelujah
Starting point is 01:12:50 Hallelujah Hallelujah Thank you.

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