The Dumb Zone FREE - Luka's first game against the Mavericks with Kirk Goldsberry | DZ 2-26-25

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Hear every episode of The Dumb Zone by subscribing at DumbZone.com or Patreon.com/TheDumbZoneIt's not as exciting as April 9th is going to be, but plenty of drama surrounding Luka playing the Mavericks for the first time since the organization traded him. We break down the game and the TNT presentation, plus get the thoughts of the trade with author and writer for The Ringer, Kirk Goldsberry. Then we head into SEC Twitter for Today in Twitter for a look at Evan, his dad, and Mary Kate. Gibberlink in Gummy Thoughts and News and Today in History (00:00) - Open: Luka vs. The Mavs (40:52) - The Ringer's, Kirk Goldsberry, on the Luka trade (01:10:33) - Mavs: Kyrie's postgame audio (01:24:50) - Today in Twitter: Evan, Evan's dad, and Mary Kate (01:35:07) - Gummy Thoughts: Gibberlink (01:53:31) - News: Dallas Zoo welcomes capybaras (02:11:15) - VM birthdays/Today in History ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

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No. Like last night was horrible, dude. It was very tough. It's horrible It's not getting better. I feel like I know how Jesse Falwell jr. Felt now Jesse And that is name all well Jerry Fox. Excuse me. I was thinking Jesse gemstone I do that sometimes Jesse okay, Jerry Falwell jr. Whenever he had the pool boy And he just had the pool boy, and he just had the chair in the corner,

that was like his thing. Or their thing. That's what it felt like. Yeah, but this isn't your thing. Well, it would be like them making you sit in the corner. And I misspoke. Watch. It's like when your wife says this is her thing,

and you have no choice in the matter. Yeah, like you're in the corner, Blake's railing your wife. Yeah. And you just got to sit there. Because you like Blake. And you're like, where am I? On top of that, if you're like, hey, I don't think this is right, a lot of people are going to be like, shut up, get over it. You just need to accept the fact that Blake's going to rail your wife and you have to watch.

I don't want to hear that. I feel like I should be able to say I don't like that. I'm tired of this get over it thing. I'm not going to, it's not, I won't get over it. Yeah. I just can't. And it's really weird to watch. It's cause I do love Kyrie. Like I've come to a place where I love Kyrie.

I loved his fit. I loved what he did for Luca. I love what he did for everybody. It's, it's, he is, he is, uh, grown. He is matured. He, I love him. I want to be able to fully enjoy as I have from the day they signed him, Najee Marshall doing things like giving LeBron too small. I love that in my normal life. I'm like, hell yeah. That's what we needed next to Luca. Derek Lively, man. Like the next 10 years were supposed to be me watching Luca

throw lobs to Derrick Lively. That is what I had signed up for. I'm even getting pissed watching Dante Exum. Like, damn, this guy would have been really helpful next to Luca. Yeah, the roster is built to be next to Luca, but now they're just laughing over there. They can't believe it. They're chanting thank you at the game.

They're... That made me happy. You know, and so I wake up and get punched in the face too. Do you have those two pictures I sent you? Okay, I'll call for number one in a second. The... So you know my morning routine. Wordle. I'm Dan McDowell. I'm J.K. Okay, I'll call for number one in a second. So you know my morning routine. Wordle.

I'm Dan McDowell. I'm J.K. I'm Blake Jones. Clayton is directing today, preparing the photos that I had sent him, which are screenshots of my phone. So yeah, we did the Wordle, we did the Immaculate Grid. We went over to the, oh, there's connections on the New York Times Daily Games page.

What is that? It's a thing where they list 16 words, and then you have to kind of match them. You've seen this. To the four that, you have to put them in groups of four that all have connections of some sort. Okay. Your wife is playing it, I guarantee you.

So, I doubt that, but I also didn't know about the penis wings. Fair enough. As an aside, is this just all an effort, an effort I find commendable for you to stave off Alzheimer's? Is that what I'm doing by using my brain? I think so. I mean, you hear stuff like that.

You know, we referenced the blue zones yesterday, and there's, I think, elements of that. Being engaged with your brain. They say like mute, like playing an instrument. It's good for you. Does a skin flute count bro? Anyway, I'm just looking for something. No, no. For something to ease the feeling here. So, and by the way, I know some are tired of Luca and tell you what, I'm a little tired of Luca talk or just the whole

thing and maybe we will do a Luca free Friday on Thursday tomorrow. Okay. You want to do that? I'd love that. We're definitely doing a Luca free Friday because we can't work Friday for two reasons. One, we're doing a show today and we need a business time. Two, it's Luca's birthday and I just don't I don't feel like we should be working on Luca's birthday. Okay. I was under the impression yeah that his birthday was July 6th. Yeah, no, no. On Luka Dantic day.

That's Luka Day. So connections, they not only have regular connections, but they have sports connections now. And so this is what hit me in the face when I opened up my sports connections. This is where you can... Oh. So you have to try and put these things together

in a certain way. You see it says Judge, Pool, Acuna, Spike, Court. Then there's a picture of Luca, Betts, Bump, Gretzky, Rink, a picture of Shohei, Ring, Kill, Set, Stafford, Goldschmidt. Okay, go ahead. You know the four that Luca fits in? Because he's an LA athlete now? Well, he's an LA athlete.

But the category, if you show the next, once I solved it, it was players famously traded to Los Angeles. Okay. And that's Mookie Betts, Wayne Gretzky, Matthew Stafford. And how did this? How is this on the list? How the hell is this on the list? Put it back up. I want to look at it. You screen shot at 630? This is when he's grinded, bro. Damn, dude. This is brain game time. Yeah.

You're just not sleeping well? Luca Donch, it's also on the list of- That's insane. Players famously traded to Los Angeles. No, I slept pretty good. I tried to get to bed. I got to bed 11.15 last night. Woke up at about six, 6.15. So I tried to get a nice seven. If to bed 11, 15 last night. Woke up at about six, six, 15.

So I try to get a nice seven. If I can get seven, I'm good. Then I lay in the bed for another hour and play games and don't have Alzheimer's. Good for you, man. But yeah, there you go. That's a tough morning. I'm thinking about, I need to move my Luca shoes

from in my closet. I don't want to look at them every time I go grab shoes. I gotta put them in storage or something. You wanna play that thing that dropped right before the game last night? Oh, so sick. Do you have that video, Clayton? So sick.

The Nike ad? Because Luka was wearing some shoes. I went searching for that this morning. I didn't find it, but. I don't think the fours are out yet I want Luca fours. Yeah Look awesome. You got that video It's a Jordan brand video Dude you got it. I mean I'm thinking this Nike company might actually work out now. Can we hear it?

Got the Luca, whatever sports car. Somebody's supposed to be Luca and Jordan Gray. A number 77 in blue was the license plate and they've replaced it. God. With a 77 purple and yellow license plate and they had this parked outside the arena apparently you saw that yeah full tank no mercy picture of the Jordan silhouette and super cool. Now the world.

Every single thing he does makes me upset. Hearing him do his last answer in Spanish last night made me mad. He looked great last night. Cause I'm like, damn, that's our deal. I wanna get excited when he gets a haircut. I know about the Luka haircut games. I've been tracking this for years. I got pissed off listening to Locked On Lakers

when they're like, you know, we had a comment that was really insightful about Luka's game. Somehow he's fast and slow at the same time, LMAO, and they're like, never thought of it that way. That's a brilliant way to put it. And I'm like, I've written five goddamn articles about his deceleration and acceleration power of course we know that of course we do we we know man so I watched I never watched the pregame shows I was watching that TNT pregame. The B team? What?

They couldn't get Ernie in there? That's Tuesday or Thursday nights usually. I know but that's like we're here on a Wednesday. I need the full. I know. I need the TNT, the real group. You think they're real fired up to go the extra mile for Turner right now? And they zoomed in on.

I don't think so bud. BA and GA. Anyway, this is how they opened it. for Turner right now. And they zoomed in on- I don't think so, bud. B.A. and G.A. Anyway, this is how they opened it. Tonight is different. Tonight feels heavy. A superstar. A franchise.

A future that seemed limitless. And then in an instant, it was over. That was over. Traded. Doubted. Replaced. Tonight, Luka Doncic comes face to face with his former life, a franchise that decided he wasn't worth the price. Tonight feels personal.

Tonight feels like revenge. Welcome back to the NBA on TNT. It's a little bit much. I also hate the way YouTube TV... Like I just need to record, you know, on DirecTV you could hit record an extra hour from the end of a game. So it ends that game and then like, where's the post game? I got to go find and I couldn't, I don't think I recorded the post game because it's like called a fourth different thing NBA on TNT That's the Charles and Shaq and all those guys

So that one is called that so it's just for Thursday nights and the Tuesday post game is called something else So I didn't record it. I don't know if you guys ended up seeing that did you say there was good Shaq on the pregame show? Mm-hmm. What do you got? I ran the same thing. Oh You didnq on the pregame show? What do you got? I ran into the same thing. Oh, you didn't record the pregame show? No. But he was just saying that, because he was talking about Luca warming up

and Nico was courtside, which shocked me. Because I said yesterday, I didn't think Nico would show up. He had to. But he was there and he was courtside while Luca was warming up and Shaq just said, had that been me, I would have gone over and said something to him. He's only, he had to in the sense that, and Luca did pushups on the floor.

I love it. I wonder if he does that all the time or if that was just for. That was definitely for sure. So he had to because he's going to get the, well you know what Kind of kind of at least he showed up took it like it like the only I'm I'm listening to different National broadcasters talk about this trade and they don't want to say

What an idiot? They don't want to say this guy's an absolute mor don't want to say, this guy's an absolute moron. So they'll be like, man, yeah, really shocking. What a deal. Balzy. You gotta admit, they kept it quiet. I'm supposed to give him credit for keeping it quiet. It's like the thing you've talked about

with legacy media covering Trump before, where they have to, they want to seem like, hey, this is a pretty narrow, or a fair and even take on this. So it's like President Trump will be like, Puerto Rico's fat and gay. And the New York Times is like, with comments that could ruffle feathers in relationships

between Puerto Rico and the Americans, that's what it's like. Mr. Trump stated that. And then that's what this is like. It's like they're not. The concern about the size of Puerto Rico. Right, more of a health concern. Greg Anthony and basically everyone else

in the regular media is just not gonna say this is the dumbest shit that's ever happened and it's completely because of ego. They can't, they're like, well, you know, defensively this front line, you look what Cleveland's doing. It's working out well for them, they get this team back healthy. I mean, Greg Anthony said last night that AD is right in the middle of the peak of his prime. I guess you could say peak, because he's playing really well, but the middle?

The middle would imply he's gonna be in the league until he's 38, which I promise you is not going to happen. Even in his prime, he's injury prone. He's never, like right now, I believe the Lakers have a better chance to win the title than the Mavs do. Of course they do. Because they traded for Luka.

It was interesting though, buddies were asking this morning, like right now if they got back just lively, if they get back AD and then just lively or Gafford, right now are they better than the Lakers? And I said I think it's even. But in a seven game series you still gotta take Luka. But I think they're about even for this year, which

brings up all sorts of interesting possibilities of, man, maybe the Lakers are good enough to get up and get the two seed. Because you know how easy it is to get a 2-7 matchup. To add to Luca to make your team a little better? Like, it's so easy that this idiot gender manager did it. Yeah. Yeah, Greg Anthony, I don't know who that is. You mean GA? That's right, GA.

So have we just bro-hearted? Yeah, of course. All of NBA and everybody's trying to be Kevin Brohard? It was their intro. Sit next to GA, aw, thanks BA. That's not, I don't like that at all. Yeah, they didn't use a, they never used a name, a proper name. Yeah, it was tough. It was tough watching. Just listen, you know,

you knew it was just going to be a four hour talk show about the trade with some backs basketball in there and the basketball was awesome. And I found myself thinking I, okay, because there's a lot of talk about what are you, who are you rooting for? You rooting for the Lakers? Is it just Luca, but you're okay if the Mavs win? And how do you feel about it? And I think that's just a process for everyone.

I'm not okay with the Mavs winning. I wanted, but I did root for my guys. I wanted PJ to do well. He didn't. But I wanted Kyrie to do well. I wanted the Mavs players PJ to do well. He didn't. But I wanted Kyrie to do well. I wanted the Mavs players individually to do well, but then lose in the end because I just need the Dumonts. I don't know how this is hurting them,

but I'm sure they're gonna be fine no matter what, but I want the smallest amount of hurt. I want them to get a splinter. Yeah, for sure. I want them to get a splinter. Yeah, for sure. I want them to have a mosquito bite. Spill their coffee on their shirt. Yeah, I want uncomfortableness because I know nothing really is going to matter to them.

They don't care. They just kind of flew in here, effed everything up. Which is what makes it so hard. They don't care. It just drives off that feeling of like you're so disconnected from the things that make you feel this way or that way.

And just to be shocked, your system shocked, of like hey, these people can just do this. But yeah, I think if I'm with you, if I got fired up when Kyrie was going nuts, that was cool, he looked real fired up with his beard shaved. But if I were forced into like, hey, which team did you want to win?

I think I found out later in the game, late third, fourth, because I was pissed off at the lack of whistle the Lakers were getting. And that's how you know who you're rooting for. Like there were a couple times where LeBron got called for something, and I'm like, come on, you don't call that on LeBron. I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me?

But that's what it is, is I'm like, at that point I knew it would make me happier if the Lakers won, and it's because, obviously we talk about the joy Luca has brought us, so you want him to have joy. As happy as I want him to be, that's how unhappy I want Nico and the Dumonts to be, and I want them to feel pain and look bad professionally.

I want Nico to have a horrible day at his job every day for the rest of his life. And that only goes better when Luca plays well and the Lakers win. Because if Luca just plays well, then there'll be people that are like, yeah, but they didn't, see, he doesn't play winning basketball,

that's what Nico meant. And if he just had a shit night, then it'd be like, yeah, well, they're not winning because of Luca. So as many times as possible that Luca can play well, the Lakers win, I'm on board, even when they're playing the Mavericks. Here's, that's how I feel about it.

And let me say this, the last thing. Also, it's because it's not just watching sports that brings you joy, and you're like, hey, this athlete brings me joy. That's a big part of it. But it's also the way people talk about the athlete. The discourse, Dan. And the annoying things that people will say

about that person, and you're like, you're wrong about that. I've been watching this person his whole career, you're wrong. It's just easier whenever the athlete avails himself to make it easier for you to defend him. I call this the Romo conundrum because it's the first one I ever experienced.

Where it's like, God, I feel like I'm spending half my time talking to my friends being like, I swear to God, this guy's good, but I wasn't ever sure if I actually even believed it. And then you get one here and you're like, wow, this is the guy that everybody wants to come see. I just like, I think, and I've thought since I think about his rookie year, the end of his rookie year,

I remember going on the hard line and talking about this. I've thought, there's a really good chance that after LeBron and Jordan, that you're talking about Luca on that next level of whoever that is. Wilt, Kobe, Bill Russell. I think that's what he is. I think he can be the third or fourth best basketball player career-wise ever.

So I like the idea that people have a chance to come around on that. And when that happens, it will make Niko look like the worst GM in the history of the sport. Reason number eight million that you don't trade Luca is he had a bad game. And he had a triple double. Yeah.

Like that was not a Luca game. No. I think, yeah, no. I mean, it wasn't horrible, but it certainly was like. There's two versions of a triple double. Like that was not a Luka game. No. I think, yeah, no. I mean, it wasn't horrible, but it certainly was like. There's two versions of a Luka game. There's this one. It was a mid. It was a mid game for Luka, yet that's the thing.

He can go 20 and a 10 and 10 just because he's there, because that's the baseline of Luka. Elevated his whole team. Right. You know, I mean. It is a magnet to coverage, obviously. I'll look it up when we have more data, but I promise you that every member of the Lakers

after, by the end of the regular season, will have been getting the best shots of their entire career. Just ask freaking Dorian how much money he's made from setting up on the wing from Luca. He might be able to save Jackson Hayes' career. God, that guy sucks. Look how LeBron is acquiescing and. That's incredible.

I think LeBron is embracing this, realizing, yeah, how about I don't run the show? And he played it perfectly, too, where he knew Luca was gonna be super keyed up, so he let him go off in the first half, and Luca clearly kind of ran out of gas. But, man, I think there's a LeBron thing I wanna play for you guys that I think is really interesting

because I think he is, I think like most greats, Jordan Bird, whatever, in any sport. Shaq, Kobe. Kobe. Shaq, Kobe. Kobe. Shaq, Kobe. I think LeBron understands the media and the storylines and the narrative more than like any athlete ever.

I think he just has a complete command of what the message is in the media and how he can shape it. Well, he's very online. He's super online and he just, he handles basketball and the NBA like it is his kingdom. And he will be the one who shapes the way we talk about things, even when it ends up getting him clowned on. So I thought this was an interesting answer.

LeBron, there was obviously a lot of anticipation for this game and this matchup. How did you feel that B Luca handled the emotions tonight? As well as you can. I mean, obviously, it's a lot of emotion that goes in when you give so much to a franchise and you sacrifice for a franchise. And you have that type of love and respect for the franchise throughout all the journeys.

Went to the finals, all that stuff. And he's grown from being an 18, 19 year old kid to now 25 year old man and family and all that stuff. So you kind of grow into a family with the franchise and when you move on or they move on from you, it's just, it's very emotional. Obviously, it's very taxing, it's very taxing, and you know, it's a lot, probably a lot of things that was going on in his head that probably didn't even,

even involve the game itself, you know, so. And with that said, I thought he handled it tremendously. So the part that I am focusing on, and I'll play you a little more here, LeBron is gonna hammer this, hey man, they did you dirty. You know what? He went out of his way there to be like, hey listen, whenever you give everything you can to a city, you fall in love with the fan base, they fall in love with you, you have a family there, you give them everything,

and then they turn around and do this to you? Yeah, I could see how you'd be a little bit distracted because LeBron is a genius on this manipulation front and he knows the best chance for him to win another ring is with the most pissed off version of Luka Donchich possible for as long as possible. And he's gonna harp on that shit every single chance he gets and he's not wrong either. He's not wrong but he knows that he has the biggest megaphone in the sport.

And if he can continually make this about, there's this St. Lon Luca, this BS I'm hearing about conditioning or this or that, this is a guy who got screwed over undeservingly by his franchise. And that's how we should talk about it. And he's going to bring that up a lot. And I think it's brilliant. He never wants Luca to forget, like hey, they counted you. You think they'd do that to me?

They never did that to me. They did it to you. You could never let him forget it. You're the next me and how would they have ever done that? Yeah. It's true though. He knows what he's doing. Keep the pit bull hungry. Yeah, and's... It's true though. He knows what he's doing. Keep the pit bull hungry.

Yeah, and what he was saying there, that's how good Luca is just as a player. Like the talent, that's the whole thing. You can't teach that talent. You can't coach that talent. You can't work that talent into you. Even with all that's going through his mind, seeing his best friends and all this and knowing, and really he's gotta feel the rejection. Yeah. He's gotta feel like, wow, and maybe it's the first time ever.

Somebody actually said, I don't want Luca, and it required an idiotic thing to do that like but he's even with all that going through his head he could somehow go through the motions and put up a triple double so I like to play his on court postgame interview because you said rejection and I think you know during the game he tried to be angry and you know at the Mavs bench after a three. But I think it hit him hard after the game when he was dappin' up everybody

and said hello to everyone but J.Kid. And so this is the post. Did that really happen? That's what it looked like. Yeah. Did you see Jason Kidd wouldn't look at him? Yeah, I saw one replay of that. There's a funny angle of that.

Anyway, let's play the post game. And I think it, all of his emotions hit him in the post game and I don't know, I just felt horrible for him. Luca the Don, Luca, so much has been made about this game. Thank you so much for joining the TNT post game show. I just got to ask you, man, emotionally, what was going into this game with so much anticipation

from all of us and I'm sure yourself I don't know how to explain it. He's kind of choked up first quarter. Thank you. I don't know what was happening. It was just Different I can't even explain how I felt Look at you are prolific score when you hit that three and look back at the bench. Did you say to yourself? Okay, I'm high right now now now it's time to go for like 40 or 50 points? Yeah, I was high, you know how it is. But I couldn't make nothing today.

I'm just glad we got a win. Jay Kidd was out there throwing different defenses that you put into on the ball in the first half, especially it seemed like every single time down the floor, you were making the correct play. What was your strategy as you were kind of playing chess against your former coach? Yeah, just accept what the difference give you,

no matter who it is, no matter who we play, you know, sometimes they're gonna double, sometimes- Is it just me or is he super sad? I think he's worn out. Luca, VC, I've been in a situation like this before. VC, I've been knowing you for 20 years. You're now VC. Like, was it someone said something to you to settle in?

You have a breathing technique. What process did you go through to actually settle in to play the game? And once you settled in, you were able just to pick the mavericks apart. Just go through my routine, nothing special. I tried some different stuff. It ain't working.

It didn't work this game, but just trying to go through my routine and enjoy the game. Nice. Luca, how does it feel being over? Great, man. I can't wait to go to sleep, honestly. You have earned a beautiful night's rest. Congrats on the win, Luca. Thank you, thank you.

You got it. Yeah, I think he Congrats on the win, Luca. Thank you. Thank you. You got him. Yeah, I seem to be tired Yeah Somehow was able to overcome the brilliant j kids mastermind of x's and o's That's why he was brought in here to uh diagram defenses and I mean you You gotta give the mavs credit though I mean They that was they're mean, they're well coached, at least X's and O's wise. I personally don't think at this point

that's where Kid lacks all that much. I think he lacks in that he's potentially a bad person, but I think they do play hard and I think they'll be good when healthy, but they just won't be good for very long, which is the point. But I think, yeah, Lucas comments after the game too. Okay, I wanna play from the podium,

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Yet the more I think about the more I like it don't include that in the spot when we send over Remember that bit Anyways, yeah, Luca talked after the game. Are we breaking yet? Oh, yeah. So, yeah, here's the opening. Luca, how did you just handle the emotions of the day playing against your former team? I don't know.

Honestly, I don't know. It's so weird, the moments. I felt like I don't know what I was doing. And I'm glad we got the win. Yeah, so pretty much said the same thing there that he said to the TNT guys. Let's continue. Luca, JJ's talked about the blackout episodes and midway through the first quarter you hit those back to back threes that they take one away but kind of turn and how's that even possible? You turned and let out that roar and it seemed like you were kind of you know hyping yourself

up I guess JJ said he felt like you were kind of going through it in the first few minutes of the game and then you started to stabilize a bit like what was going through your head at that point? Oh, I say I can't remember. It was just a lot of emotions and I'm asleep. But it was just, I can't even explain what there was a different game. Like I said, sometimes I don't know what I was doing. And you know, I'm just glad, glad it's over, honestly. Now this next cut is pretty long. We'll spend a couple of minutes with this, but the start is why there's a lot in here, but ladies be asking questions at some of these press conferences.

And we've highlighted a couple that are somewhat amusing. This might be the first one. Hi, Lucas. Just a two-part question. One, I don't know if you saw Nico Harrison was there on the court when you were warming up and then sitting right behind the Mavericks bench if you thought about going over to him or saying anything to him at all. And then just the second part is, have you ever had anything like- On that one, I wonder how, what did you think he was gonna answer?

I don't know. I guess it's good that you asked that question though. Hey, did you see Neeko over there? Yeah, you're asking it to get a no comment. Yeah, which is- And it's Ramona Shelburne, she's like the grandma queen of the NBA reporting. And then just the second part is,

have you ever had anything like this trade happen to you in your life? Like whether, I don't know, a breakup or something like that. Have you ever had anything like this experience? That's not a good question. I get what she's going for, but there's no chance that he was gonna be like, yeah, when I was 12, my lizard died.

Yeah, I mean, this is, he was the face of a franchise. That was the worst thing that ever happened to me before today. Kind of the face of the NBA. Now he can be the face of the NBA. Now that he's in LA, it might happen. Sure. But he was, you know, he was the next this, he was the next Jordan. He was the, every milestone past would be like,

whoa, only Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan have done that. Like anything he has ever done. So yes, he's got nothing else like this. Anyway. Oh, no, definitely not. That was different. I definitely have like that. But yeah, I didn't see him at warmups. Not at all. Just in the warmup. Oh, no. Yeah, he like. I'm following up. Luca, you said you didn't play well. You still had a triple double. Can you describe what was it about your emotions

that you were struggling with? And you said you had lack of sleep when you look back at this game. Like I say, it's a weird game, different game, but I can't even explain what kind of emotions were. It was just a lot of emotions, you know, seeing the guys out there, seeing the guys I played, I went through a lot with the guys, so it was fun. Luca, you have the handshake with Kyrie that you guys had in Dallas to start this game

here. You go over to see Derek Lively after the game is there a specific moment maybe with your old teammates they had a handshake Jake I know my mano we go wait I'm sorry I talked over that a little bit that's good part of this because Kyrie's gonna comment on that like I mean yeah you know guys my mano we go wait beyond basketball so it was good to see those guys like I said we went to wars Yeah, you know, Kai is my my mano. We go way beyond basketball. So It was good to see those guys. Like I said, we went to wars together and it was really fun to see them all Luca were you looking for some kind of closure with what happened tonight to allow you to move on and and if so Did you feel like you got that? I?

Mean the closure is gonna take a while, I think. I know it just, it's not ideal. But you know, like I said, I'm glad this game is over. You know, it was a lot of emotions, but we go little by little, you know, and every day is better. You know what that sounded like to me? A grown ass man.

That's how an adult talks. And that's exactly what was going to happen regardless if he was in Dallas or in LA. He's gonna grow and mature and change over time. Yeah, for sure. This may fast forward or fast track it a little bit, but this is just what happens. He had a kid, you know, he's got a kid recently.

Talk. And they're gonna say, that's what you say, look. That's why you hire coaches. That's why, we hired you That's how you hire coaches. That's why We hired you because you're a relationship guy. Yeah build a relationship You know what you could do. Maybe if you have a relationship He gives you science somewhat it might be small might be just a couple million discount on the super max didn't even dirt that yeah

Dirk when Dirk was playing the max was like 22 or 23 million and he would take 20 Anybody's like oh Dirk Discount on it wasn't this huge discount. He wasn't going crazy or anything He could have taken 1 million a year if you really wanted to be able to add players around him. But he at least did a little something. They had a relationship. It was a back and forth. This is my last one with Luca at least and another lady.

Yeah. Luca, if I could take you away from basketball for just a moment, you've mentioned the joys of being a dad. When your baby girl gets older and she's facing a new transition in life, what advice do you think you'll give her? You guys think this is a good question? Well, I think in a long form interview, like maybe I would even say if we had him on, and I would want to talk to him about fatherhood

and how the lessons that you learn in life can translate to, I actually think that that is a good question in a conversation. I think it is a terrible question at a press conference you call me with that question okay then he's just gonna say a normal thing that every father will say no I would just you know support support my little girl and anything she do. I'm happy to see her grow up and I want to be there for her. Okay.

Yeah, it just makes you sad, makes me sad. I got a couple Kyrie cuts if you want those before our guest. Make them quick. Yeah, we have guest, Kirk Goldsberry, from The Ringer, in just a few minutes. Um... Or do you want to save Kairito after? All right, let's save Kairito after. Sorry, one is like a minute long.

Yeah, we got time. Do whatever we want. You know what? We can do whatever the hell we want. So we'll take a very short pause here and we'll have Kirk Goldsberry. What I'm going to do is drink my protein drink. Yeah. During this pause. Is it fresh from this morning?

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then you'll select dumb zone. It's fairleasease.org Dan. Joining us now let's bring in Kirk Goldsberry from the Ringer. Hey guys. From many many things from many things from are you still teaching at UT UT Austin? Yeah I'm a professor at the University of Texas in Austin, down the road from y'all. Incredible. So I assume you're still living in Austin. Yeah, that's one of the features of teaching

at the University of Texas. I get to live in Austin, Texas. Yeah, I don't know if you had some sort of remote scene going on, so you are, I mean, I guess you're actually a faculty member with Matthew McConaughey. Yeah, we go to coffee all the time, make commercials together, the whole deal. Talk about the culture.

Yeah, that's right. The ministry. We go to a lot of the same sporting events here, hook em' horns. They'll go. Kirk also the author. The camera doesn't show you as much. No, as the MOC.

Author of the great book, Sprawl Ball. Check that out. We've talked about that on the show before. And had a great article yesterday, as we're all just trying to figure out what Luca the Laker is going to look like. And last night was a fascinating start to things. So I'd just like to hear your general thoughts

on how that thing started and then how it flowed throughout the game with LeBron clearly having a little more energy left late than he normally does. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it guys. I think. Luke is what we thought he would be. He filled up the stat sheet in so many different ways. Um, I think that a triple double is, is typical Donchich.

Um, Luca, the rebounder was great last night. I think that's probably the most underrated part of his game and something that's going to be really important for the Lakers. Um, and they're still figuring it out. Two of the best offensive players in my lifetime, LeBron James and Luca Donchich still figuring it out. They did enough last night to get the win and there's some really nice connections between Luca and LeBron.

There was one late in the fourth quarter, kind of put the game away. I think where Luca found LeBron in the restricted area for a layup. But yeah, Luca, the playmaker. So Luca, the rebounder, Luca, the playmaker. So Luca the rebounder, Luca the playmaker, and Luca the scorer, you guys know this. But we saw a little bit of all three last night. We didn't see as much of Luca the scorer, but we didn't need to.

It's nice to have LeBron James, the league's all-time leading scorer, on your team. And this Lakers team is just still figuring it out, but they're doing a pretty good job on the fly, beating Denver and now Dallas in a few days. Yeah, it's interesting, because there's a lot of talk around here about, hey, Luca goes to LA, I mean, I guess this is national.

The story's gonna be that Luca goes to LA, and because of the influence of LeBron, because of the shock to his system of the trade, that that's going to be what turns him into the next level, whatever that is, of a player. And I guess that stuff's going to be what turns him into, you know, the next level, whatever that is, of a player. And I guess that stuff's interesting. I think it's our position,

that stuff would have happened anyways, because he's 25. And we interviewed Dirk for years, and he said, I didn't really start taking it seriously till I was 29 or 30. Yeah, like, what if he brings this team to the finals? Is that the next level? Or is the fact that he's done that,

or dragged a freaking, what were we talking about yesterday? Reggie Bullock. Reggie and Dorian were playing 42 minutes a night, pretty much that entire playoff run. And I think that stuff is interesting, but I'm actually more interested in how he changes as a basketball player. And I think we saw that a little bit with LeBron last night

because somehow LeBron is still like the most lethal leak out threat in the league. And in Dallas that was like, hey I wonder if Dorian can get down there. Or I wonder if PJ can get down there. Because Luca has the ability to throw the 45 foot pass. And it's just so exciting last night to watch. Like you got a big rebounder who could throw the outlet

and now the apex alpha in LeBron. I think that's an untapped part of his game for sure. Yeah, I agree. I would say there's some Malone stocked and potential here with LeBron in the Carl Malone role. And, and I don't think we've ever seen that before, but LeBron has expressed a willingness to adapt. I don't think that, that Luca has the kind of off ball

potential that LeBron does. So I think that the offense is naturally going to gravitate towards seeing the quarterback being Luca and LeBron being the receiver. And dude, among other things, LeBron James is the best paint scorer of the 21st century. And he is a force. He's very hard to guard. And like I said about that last basket last night

is one of the things LeBron's gonna be able to do is get clean looks near the basket or deep paint touches in a way that he might never have gotten. He's never played with somebody like Luca. He's played with everybody in the league, but Dwyane Wade was not the playmaker or the passer, uh, the, the Luca is, and neither was Kyrie Irving. Um, so this is, this is a really nice development for LeBron James, the elder Statesman to,

to have a little bit less offensive burden, um, to play off the ball. And he's been awesome on defense. JJ Reddick talked about it too. So I think one of the big things for this trade is that Luca makes LeBron. A little bit better and a little bit better on defense, a little bit, a little bit more able to concentrate off the ball. So I like this pairing. I think we saw it a little bit last night defense, a little bit more able to concentrate off the ball. So I like this pairing. I think we saw it a little bit last night,

but more in Denver. You mentioned the leak outs, but I also think in half court offense, we can start to see the pick and rolls with these two guys. And I mean, it's just a dream come true for JJ Reddick and the Lakers. Yeah, that's a great point that LeBron much more able to play off the ball.

Maybe. Yeah, yeah and a lot of times, a lot of people don't know nationally, I don't think, when I hear national games sometimes, I, you know, it's how it is, it's a national game. But I don't know that people know that from the start of this year really, if you look at Luca's usage rate,

his catch and shoot attempts, just, he's still Luca. He's gonna be the 95th percentile of usage. But the Mavericks and Jason Kidd had done a really good job this year of not just making it like that 2022 team was, where they had no option once people effectively doubled him, like they'd done a good job of that this year. So I feel like that plus where LeBron is in his career from the AD experience, it's just it's gonna be a lot of fun and it it's we're

all having a very hard time here. Yeah I was gonna ask you guys like I'm not that far away from Dallas but what was that like for the fan base from your guys's perspective last night? I mean was this was this pretty painful for the group? What do you think? I don't think that there was anyone that it wasn't painful for. It's just a matter of, you know, this is how it goes, right? Someone in a position of authority

has done something unconscionable to a group of people that were previously united and had one voice. And what happens then is that public becomes very fractured. So there are some people that are like, get over it. There are some people, which Dan and I lean a little closer to, of I don't know how I can ever support this team fully again. Like if you can't withdraw support after this,

is there anything? Like the way that they've talked about him, I want Nico to have a bad day at work every time he goes to work. I don't wish ill on the guy, but it's hard for me. I told Dan, like down the stretch last night, here's how I know where my heart was.

There was a couple times where I'm like, you can't call that on LeBron. I'm like, what am I doing? Oh no. I think I want the Lakers to win this game. I want Luca to be happy and I want Nico to look over there and have, if he's capable of it, some level of regret. And so it's hard to want them to win when Luca's out there.

It's just tough. What is it, April 9th? The whole NBA's coming to Dallas. Yeah. Um, yeah, I got tickets. I, uh, um, I don't think they can kick us all out Kirk. No, I'm going to try to come up to that and you know, I can't remember anything like that.

Yeah. I can't remember. My, my head keeps going to European soccer, which in a way has been ahead of us in that, especially the younger fans of European soccer, which in a way has been ahead of us in that, especially the younger fans of European soccer gravitate more towards individual stars than the franchises. And part of me thinks of this transaction as a moment where the NBA might experience something like that, where it's always been about the name on the front of the

Jersey. Um, is this the moment where at least some people start following the name on the front of the Jersey. Um, is this the moment where at least some people start following the name on the back of the Jersey? Um, I know that's been true for LeBron as he's changed teams, but it certainly seems more prevalent in European soccer when somebody like Mbappe or Ronaldo bounces around some of the prestigious clubs, like kids will just buy the New Jersey and keep going. Um, because is, is, as Will Kane said on the Ryan Rosillo show, do you know

how many dogs in Dallas are named Luca? This is more than, yeah, kids, but it's just like, it was a perfect way for me of expressing like this is, he was more popular than the Mavs for sure. A lot of people in that town. It's brutal. And I think that was part of the, as a former executive in a front office, like one of the miscalculations here is people don't like the Mavs as much as you think they love the, they loved Luca Doncich and Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd and you traded away that.

And I think that's one of the legacies here is that's hard to fit on a spreadsheet. I think this was a miscalculation by so many different ways to look at it. But the business case is just a colossal blunder into itself in my opinion. How do you trade the guy who has kids and dogs named after him like this?

It's infuriating. He must've wanted to leave. My only comp is, you know, I lived in Cleveland when the Browns moved. And it was the same, we were all yelling at clouds because we're pissed, we wanna do something, we're gonna protest, all right, I'll go down meet and we're all there together, but same thing.

We're at protesting outside the Mavs game. Well, what is it? He's not coming back. I mean. It is yelling at a cloud. Now we have this. I'm still gonna do it. We have this dream that he comes back

after they sell the team again. Oh yeah. I don't know. We've written the whole movie. Yeah, with what Dumont said, like there's no LeBron left came back and that it was to help his image and everything. He knew what he was doing.

That was a brilliant move to go back to Cleveland. But why would Luca go back to Dallas? If it doesn't feel like you will know no Friday to shut that door. Where's your head at with wrapping your head around like what? Like I can't believe somebody is that dumb to think I want to trade this talent somebody is that dumb to think I want to trade this talent. Is it all just, it's got to come down financially. That we're going to have to write that huge 120 million extra dollars. So on one hand, I think that, and while I answered the question I'm asking you for you, on the other hand, it looks like ADs, Anthony Davis is going to require a pretty

good financial. The money's not that different. Yeah. And they're going to have to now really, Kyrie has them over a barrel because he's going to be like, well, you got to max me out. What are you going to do if you don't max Kyrie out? Yeah. Whereas if Luca was still here, you would probably still have some wiggle room there. But anyway, sorry, Kirk. I'm coping.

No, it's interesting. I think, you know, when I was in the Spurgefront office, we were looking, you know, head on at the Kawhi Leonard Supermax extension. And I just know that those are big numbers. There's very few people in the world who write checks like that. And they take those checks very seriously. So no disrespect to Luca, no disrespect to Kawhi Leonard. These are big deals literally, and they have gravity. And I think that is a good thing to bring up. Ultimately, when I tried to explain this decision, I come back to a few things. Number one, the love for Anthony Davis by Nico Harrison.

And that explains why there was only one team involved. The Los Angeles Lakers, which is a big question mark. I don't think many executives around the league would have handled it that way, but I think that explains why the Lakers were the only team targeted. Um, I think I disagree with the assessment that Anthony Davis is a better player than Luka Doncic and by any means, but I think it explains how we got here.

And I think the absence of other people in the front office who had been there, and I haven't heard many people talk about this, whether it's Donnie Nelson, Dennis Lindsay, Bob Bulgaris, who famously left and obviously most Mark Cuban. I think the absence of those other voices, um, enabled this transaction. To become a reality and a place where in most foreign offices, there would have been a very, very strong argument

against this transaction. I don't think there were the people in place to look at the assessment of talent. Anthony Davis on one side, Luca Doncisan, the other 25 year old on one side, a 31 year old on the other. I think it would have been shot down if there were more voices,

including voices that were in the Dallas Mavericks front office within the last few years, or in the ownership box. So I think you have to explain it with that too. It took a new owner, it took lack of voices around the whiteboard, and it took a preexisting relationship between Nico and Anthony Davis

to maybe cloud some of the judgment here. But that's how I explain it in my head, guys. So you did work for an NBA team. Business-wise, as far as the money they'll make back, TV money, whatever it is, is it a wise investment to pay the super mags? You never want to lose the asset. So even if you're going to trade the player after you sign them, almost always with a player like Luca, you sign him.

And then if you need to trade them, you have the out years, which makes him a more valuable asset to trade to somebody like the Lakers or the heat or the Knicks. Right. Oh yeah. Yeah. We got it for five years locked up as opposed to he's a lame duck. He's going to be a free agent a year. That's a really weak position to trade somebody in.

Like the one they're in now. A hundred percent. So again, there's a reason almost all of these guys get the deal. There's a reason very few of them get given up on, or even Paul George, right? When last year in the Clippers organization, instead of giving them four years, they were gonna give them three years.

And it's like, no, they'll get four years in Philadelphia. But I am among the people who would have not thought twice about giving Luca this money. And it was a lot of money. I understand that. But one of the reasons, even with the risk or the conditioning risk, the injury risk, whatever it was, this is a very valuable asset

to have a top five, top 10 player in the NBA under contract for five or 10 years. It's that simple. It's that simple. Let alone a five time first NBA guy, first team all NBA guy, who has shown no signs of not performing to the level of a top five player, in my opinion. In fact, I was there in June in the finals in Boston.

Like that wasn't that long ago. And again, there's no reason they wouldn't have done the deal. What I think is really, really interesting is to try to strip the, let's just think about it like assets, and at the Post Trade Press Conference, Nico said, hey, our window's three to four years,

so let's say it's this year and three more years. Had they signed Luca to the Supermax this summer, but for whatever reason, Nico just could not get over the working relationship, and he thought Luca was bad for the culture. Now it's trade deadline next year and he signed to the Supermax. I feel like you're getting a better package

that can help you win over the next three years. I guess at that point it'd be two and a half. You're still getting a better package than this one. Like the Anthony Davis obsession is obviously part of it, but I'm looking at, okay, let me project forward. Luca plays like he does in the back half of seasons a lot. He's a top five player for the rest of the year. He signs a super max.

He's a top five player for the first half of next year, but there's all this stuff rumbling underneath. You move him at the deadline, you get a better deal than this. You're better positioned to win in 26, 27, and 28 if you do it that way. That's the part I can't get over is that you're gonna win any trade with where you're trading Luca if he's on that max deal with voidable years. That's the part I can't wrap my head around. Yeah, one of the executives I talked to

in the league was like, hey the why is one thing. The why is like the culture thing. We're, we're done here. We don't want to, we don't want Luca to be part of our future. That's the determination. That's the why. I think people around the league will always talk about this trade and history with the how. The how is inexcusable.

The why probably an excuse for two, but the how is definitely an excuse. If you're selling your house in a nice neighborhood in Dallas, you don't take the first offer. You know, you would be, it would be ridiculous for you to show it to one person, get their offer, by the way, get negotiated down from that first offer and then sell your house. Yeah, that's a good example. And also, uh, Mike, the kids love your house. Yeah, that's a good example. And also, the kids love the house,

they're in love with the house, house means a lot to them, they like living here, they have a personal connection to the house, please don't trade our house. Right, the house that you built specifically for you. Exactly. You know all the secret little things in there. I mean, the other example is that old school Dallas example

that I've cited a few times talking about this deal is like when Jerry bought the Cowboys and he traded Herschel Walker, right? That was, he brought back a dynasty of assets. It's like, we're gonna get off of this generational running back and switch gears. And next thing you know, you got three Superbowls and that's the kind of generational hall you would get.

Luka Doncic is probably better than Herschel Walker ever was. Uh, it is sport. And. You know, if you would put this in front of the Spurs or put this in front of the thunder or put this in front of the Pelicans, I bring those teams up because they have endless draft assets right now. You would have gotten more than Max Christie and Anthony Davis long-term. You would have been enjoying the fruits of this deal in the 2030s.

There would have been an All-Star in the 2030s wearing a Mavs jersey that you'd be like, oh yeah, that's what we got back. So I think the why and the how is a good point too. Wrong determination on the why, but also poor execution on the how. Well, if Nico and Polinka were really friends, that's a terrible friend to have. Polinka screwed him. Dan thinks he should have looked out for him and been like a protective factor. Look, I gotta.

Buddy. You gotta take Austin Reeves or something. I mean, you gotta make it look a little better. You don't understand what you're doing here. But he understood right away. Keep it quiet. Yeah, how about that bit, Kirk? Hey, Nico asked, could you keep it quiet?

Oh, Polinka's like, eh, all right. Yeah, please don't talk to any other teams. For you. For you. I'll try to keep it quiet because we're such good friends, Nico. I'll keep this under my, like, can you imagine his thoughts, Polinka, when he went home that night?

Or like the second that he... He didn't keep it quiet. Huh? Well, I know that the whole group of the front office knew what was happening for a month, almost. He didn't keep it quiet. Well, he called... Like it was... Yeah, called Jeannie Buss immediately.

Yeah, and the front office was at work, like, putting a roster together and building trade deadline scenarios based on a reality where they might have number 77 in purple and gold. Like, this was not kept quiet. So, do we believe... I'm sorry. No, I don't believe the Lakers kept this between Jeannie and Rob Polenka. I don't think that happened. Well, it feels like Anthony

Davis's camp had to know because there's no way he... The trade kicker. Yeah, he just says, yeah, I won't take that money. Why? Yeah, that's another sort of smoking gun, isn't it? Yeah. Within minutes of the trade, right? Right. Well, it's brutal. It's absolutely brutal. And it's weird. In a way, I've been reading your stuff forever, been listening to you on Bill's show forever. And I feel like Luka perfectly fit the version of basketball that I came to love through your work and others' work,

but also just like really understanding three level scoring and the impact of it. And it's not just more effective, it's more aesthetically pleasing. Like you can complain some about Luca foul hunting, but I do think the way he plays the game, uh, as not just a shooter, I don't know. I it's the way he embodies the modern offensive NBA to me, and it was just so much easier to root for him when he was here. But, you know, as part of your work,

as a professor in sports analytics, to wrap up here, I'm interested in what sort of things you're interested in. What do I not know about now that I might know about in a couple years? I try to follow the NFL's big data bowl. I'm really, really, I was a very early adopter of Brian Burke and Advanced Football Analytics website

and Eno from FanGraph used to host a podcast. I was really into this stuff. But it feels like there's not as much talk about the next big thing in analytics anymore. Because it's almost like we've discovered, it feels somewhat like we, in the last decade, discovered the whole globe. Does that make sense?

I think, yes it does. I think there was, Moneyball comes out in 2003 and I think we had about 15 or 20 years of really low hanging fruit across sports to change. Baseball changed, maybe not for the better, but it changed really fast after Moneyball. Basketball changed really fast, even football. So I think that era is over.

I think one of the things I'm watching is how we're using science and analytics to make players better at certain things. I think you're seeing this in golf with Bryson, a Dallas guy, like hacking his own body and just crushing the golf ball in his own ways. I think we're going to see that with shooting the basketball and the NBA. If I was going to point to something, let's say, you know, Luke is a great example.

Somebody's like, what you can shoot 38% from 30 feet on step back threes. Like that's insane. I think there's gonna be more and more stuff like that where guys are able to, you know, in baseball it was velocity. Guys started hacking their own body and now everybody can throw 96, 97, 98. Again, it might not have been great for the sport,

but it was great for those guys and their contracts. I think that's gonna happen with three point shooting. I think that's going to happen with three point shooting. I think the days of really bad, awkward three point shooter is over. I think there's going to be more and more 40% shooters on more and more step backs. Uh, so I think where I'm looking to answer your question is how we're using analytics in player development to sort of help athletes, whether it's hit the golf ball further, shoot the basketball better, throw the baseball harder,

throw the football better, those kinds of things, I think is where we're at in the 2020s. There's a great book called The MVP Machine, if you haven't read by some guys, Ben Lindbergh and- Oh, Travis Sarchok, who wrote the Pirates book. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great analytics writer, Oh, Travis Sarchok, who wrote the Pirates book. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great analytics writer,

but that is something I hand my class to read every year. And it talks about this in baseball. But again, what happens in baseball often has a way of making its way to basketball and football 10 years later. So yeah, that's where I'm looking at. I hope that answers your question. Yeah, no. It's a good thing we talk about.

Yeah, that's fascinating. I mean, even as to spin it back to Luca, I think I first started getting really excited about him, reading about him working out at P3. Like out in Santa Barbara, right? They could actually quantify what we all felt like we were seeing, which is like, how is he stopping and starting

and like decel and loading and unloading off this? That stuff is super interesting to me. And yeah, I feel like, you hear about athletes doing it, whereas it should be at a team level. Like the whole team. That's a perfect example. The P3 guys, Marcus Elliott and Santa Barbara, figuring out the deceleration is maybe more important

than acceleration in some of these basketball moves. And I'll never forget, I saw Stefan Kassel last week stop on a dime and watch the defenders go by him. And I was like, that's Hardin and Luca. That's what they brought. And that's what this potential next generation is. It's like, how can we make our bodies better at playing basketball?

That's a perfect example, dude, is that Luca deceleration thing. Well, we appreciate your time today, man. It's been a long time. I've wanted to have you on, this is an unfortunate circumstance, but a really fun conversation. So, Kirk Goldsberry, at Kirk Goldsberry on Twitter.

You can go check out Sprawl Ball, check him out on theringer.com. Just a great basketball mind, a good dude, and we appreciate you, man. Thank you, guys. Have a good day. We'll try. We'll try.

There he goes, Kurt Goldsberry of The Ringer. I don't know that any of this, we're gonna feel better, but maybe it helps you understand. Yeah. It's about the best I can do for you. No, no. And I mean, there's a guy again who worked for a team. Yeah. And what it tends to do it right. You think of all the, the entire NBA is, was baffled by the trade. And sometimes things trickle out over time. And you're like, oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, no, that's not happening.

No one is now saying, ah, I can kind of see this or this. Like even if he was extremely overweight, like if he looked like Zion, you would still say, yeah, but what he's done, that means his talent is so good that if he does improve these habits a little, like, and you know, as he explained, the financials there as well. You just don't, you just, there's so many reasons you don't ever do this.

This is so beyond the scope of what we dreamed we could have ever been sitting here talking about. I know, Black Swan, right? Like 9-11 type thing where you're like, that can't happen. Why would you ever consider it? 9-11 wasn't a self-inflicted wound. Or was it, Blake? Ooh.

Ooh. Ooh. So let me tell you, well, I was gonna play you some Kairi Kyrie stuff as promised before we take another little break. Are we planning to take another little break? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

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That's right. All right, so just a couple of Kyrie cuts for you. Yeah, I got a quick ender before the break too. Alright. The reality is, man, we're human too. We've said it plenty of times, but he's still a young kid. We come in here at young ages. This is a really, this was like a three-minute answer to a question. And he just sounds so well put together and so experienced and all this stuff. Yeah, he's been through a lot. Hell, he was the young kid that you can tell he has some regrets about how he acted. That's one of the reasons I really love him now is because I never liked him because I was privy to the way he acted on and off the court with the Cavs as an 18 year old when he was drafted. And he was not a great person. He has changed. He has evolved. That's what young kids do

So come in here at young ages Some of us are emotionally mature some of us are not some of us have a good Handle on what our responsibility is when we come in the league some of us do not It it requires development in that area as a human being basketball is not gonna fix it no matter if you score 40 30 It's not gonna hide your deficiencies or weaknesses and we all have them. So I'm just saying that's a protective big brother. I was just looking at him from afar, sending him texts,

making sure he's good. And when I saw him, you know, I expected him to be over the next that that hill as, as we like to call it, right? Just getting over that rejection or getting over the anger. Sometimes it can lead to hatred. Sometimes it can lead to uncertainty. So I'm just proud of him the way he's just gone out there

and played and kept his family close, kept his friends close, know exactly who's in his corner. And he's got to deal with the LA media. I don't have to deal with that. I don't have to deal with that. I'm safely kept now. So he has to deal with this LA media. I don't know what deal with that one Dallas. I'm safely kept now. So, you know, he has to deal with this LA media. I don't know what it's like here.

That is a very good... Little ghost tour laugh. Yeah, you pointed it out earlier. And he's got to, you know, deal with the LA media. I don't have to deal with that. Wow. That is straight sound effect laugh. All right Alright I might have played that out of order. I had two cuts. That was the second one later in the press conference. This was

the first one. Hopefully it'll still work for you. Kerry, I think Lucas said after the game, like, relationship y'all have is just deeper than basketball. For sure. I was just curious, you know, in the time y'all spent together, why do you think it was just a strong relationship between y'all, how'd y'all just develop that? I think because we had a lot of fun, bro. You know, we went to Madrid, you know, we started pre-season in Abu Dhabi,

which helped us out a lot, man. You know, when you're on the road and you get to know someone and their family and you're introducing everybody to your friends and, you know, my day was like very special because that's what he played and I got a chance to meet some of his friends and his support system out there. And I think that just carried over into the season and he was in just great spirits coming into the last season and it was easy to compliment him while

he's having an MVP season, MVP caliber season. I feel like he, if not deserved MVP, finished second. But at the same time, he carried us a lot of the way where I was injured or hurt. And he carried the brunt of responsibility. So I think for me, it was respect there before we played together. But then playing with him, he's just an innocent kid

at the same time, just ultra talented, whole world's in front of him. You want to protect people like that too, because I feel like sometimes people come at him crazy, you know, which is unnecessary, you know, and he responds in his own way. But he's not from America. He's not used to the degenerative culture here, you know, at times, especially when the narrative starts spinning.

So my goal was just to protect him. I like hearing him say that, that he's not from America. It's a degenerative culture. He's not from America. It's a degenerative culture He's not from America. He's not used to the degenerative culture here, you know at times Especially when the narrative starts spinning. So my goal was just to protect him man, and that's why it goes deeper than basketball you know been out a few times where Just our families have connected and you know, this is one of those lifetime things for me, you know I think he feels the same way

If he doesn't I'll put him in a headlock. Oh, man. That's a bummer. My main takeaway is that makes me very sad. Second takeaway, Kyrie, who a douche like myself, definitely is going to tell you about his time in Madrid instead of Madrid. who a douche like myself definitely is gonna tell you about his time in Madrid instead of Madrid.

If European soccer players get treated pretty, but to his point. Yeah, I think so. And I just don't think Lucas that worried about that. I think he's been through it. But yeah, I mean, there've been people who have speculated about like, what was Kyrie's role? Like, did he know?

Some of the stuff he said afterward is kind of like, ugh, that's a little bit suspect, but I think what he is at this point is just a guy who every single situation that gets put in front of him, he's like, how can I make this good? And they told him, hey, we traded Luca, figure it out. We think it's gonna be better for you.

And his response, I'm not at this point as a person, but he is, was just, okay, I don't like that, but I have to try to figure it out. Me moping around about it and talking about how it sucks. Yeah, that's his public response. That ain't gonna happen. That might've taken him a little while to get there. Yeah.

But also, it is a, what are you gonna do? This is life. Well, now this is now what's in front of you and he's going to figure out how to make it the best. As am I. I don't know. Which means I'm going to watch Luca play with the Lakers. I'm not going to root for the Mavs anymore. I wish ill upon the Mavs. I don't want them to have success. I do want the players to have individual success but I want the franchise to feel this. I want them to have success. I do want the players to have an individual access, but I want the franchise To feel this I want them to understand that this was a colossal mistake and That will make me feel somewhat better. I agree. I think what it's all about making yourself feel better

I think I may be a little more open to hey, you know when I've watched them and the other games that Leading up to this one the Mavericks. I'm like, all right, there's a little bit here I can get into, but overall, it's just, that feeling's probably never coming back. Like, I'm never going to have the feeling about the Mavs I had before, just what it is. Like they've betrayed your trust. Yeah, and I don't feel bad about,

I'm not a fair weather. I would rather have gone through a tumultuous summer. If their pick was to not pay him the super max or whatever, well I would rather live in that. I'd rather debate that, because we still have Luca. And maybe he'll decide to leave after you decide not to pay him. Okay. And I don't know. Like then you can actually paint yourself in somewhat of a sympathetic somewhat light. Yeah. You could try. Okay. So to wrap up real quick here, you guys mentioned the pregame

show is a little B team ish. I think Candice Parker is good at breaking down basketball. In fact, I think she's better than Shaq. I don't know that that's what I come to that show for, but she talks about the modern NBA smarter than Shaq and Chuck do. She's also a lot less entertaining. You're gonna have to explain to me what she was going for here.

So it's her turn to do highlights, and they're showing Luca highlights, and she decides I'd like to make a sick cultural reference. Knocking down the jump shot, and then Luca playing a little defense, two blocks, 12 rebounds. That's called making a pass happen, right? That was a no look.

He's got 12, 12, and seven. All right, so now at this point, you can hear Not Like Us start in the background. They go to an image, a still image. Half of it is Luca screaming after a made three and a Luca in a middle lakers jersey. The other half of the screen is just Kendrick Lamar from the halftime show.

Just Kendrick Lamar from the halftime show. I mean, you can see he's got the A minor chain on and he's wearing his red, white, and blue jacket. It's just a picture from the halftime show. I mean, you can see he's got the A minor chain on, and he's wearing his red, white, and blue jacket. It's just a picture from the halftime show. That was a no look. He's got 12, 12, and seven, and exactly. It's like he's on his A minor chain right now. That's what he's doing.

Luca got the fresh cut, and he's got the chain on under the Lakers jersey. Who, is he, in this scenario, is Nico Harrison a pedophile? Yeah, what's the tie in here? It just feels like she's like, this is something people are saying, have the image ready. Okay. Because they had it. And I don't know, but it didn't make-

So I'm just trying to be topical? It didn't make any sense. You know what? They didn't even Photoshop like a chain on Luca. Like, you know how TNT will do some goofy stuff? They didn't do that. It was just, hey, yeah, exactly. She said exactly as if that's something someone else

had said when it's just them putting up a graphic she told him about. That was a no look. He's got 12, 12 and seven. And exactly, he's on his A minor chain right now. That's what he's doing. Luca got the fresh cut. So is that responding to a drop too?

You're like. Under the Lakers jersey. It's because this is the music that's gonna be playing, so I need to, maybe. Some producer probably called for that. But that image spread. Kendrick Lamar walking across with a sly little grin. Yeah, I get it.

And that did become a slight meme, but yeah, she's putting words to a meme that doesn't really exist. I know that that particular shot, you're right, did become very popular, but it just doesn't fit at all. I guess that's like you're filling in and you're like, I've gotta be cool and hip like Chuck and Shaq and it just didn't, it didn't work.

Didn't work for VC either. Yeah, VC. Come on, man. They never played together, huh? I'm trying to think of the- Vince Carter and Candice Parker? No, Luca, when he interviewed Luca, he's like, hey, it's VC.

No. He did play with Dirk. He did? Played here for a, hey, it's VC. No. He did play with Dirk. He did? Played here for a little bit. It was a fun time. All right, well that might be the Luca for the day. Let's make it as such. Maybe, we'll try and do a Luca Free Friday tomorrow,

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But we have a story out of the SEC Twitter universe, the burner verse as some call it. Dude, is this about the girl and the boyfriend and the dad? Of course it is. Okay, I knew you'd be there for me. I saw lots on this, I marked some things on it, I'm like, what is this story? I feel like I need to know about it,

and I just thought, you know who'll know? Jake. Yeah, so what you're looking at here, basically the source material, the reporting, is going to be just screenshots of what appears to be Snapchats, Blake, if I'm incorrect, I know you're a Snapchat vet. But it's just people posting a picture,

not even a screenshot, by the way, because Indian people know you took it. It's people taking photos of a phone where these messages are displayed. And it tells the story, exactly, it tells the story of a young woman named Mary Kate. She goes to school at Ole Miss and she is or was and is back with, we'll get to that, her boyfriend Evan. She went home from school

a little bit early one semester, I believe this happened in December, she was done with finals, she went home a little bit early before Evan and as a good girlfriend would do she went to Evan's little sister's basketball game. Now present at Evan's little sister's basketball game was her boyfriend, Evan's dad. And hey, that's fine, whatever, you're here to support, you've probably known this little girl for a long time, it's cool.

You know how cool that my daughter thinks it is if my brother is around? Like whoa, it's cool. You know how cool that my daughter thinks it is if my brother is around? Like, whoa, that's cool. So the dad's there, the girl's there, and they watch the daughter play basketball, and then they go to dinner together. And they go to dinner together after the, just the two of them, no little girl present,

and they got drunk, very drunk, or at least she did. The dad and the- And the girlfriend. The son's girlfriend. Yeah. And- I've seen this movie before. So the initial reports were that

that's basically when it started. They went back to their house, to his house, and she kind of thought the wife would be there, but the wife wasn't there, and then the guys trying to hook up with her, and some would say did hook up with her many times, and he told her, like, this is not a big deal. I saw a thing that said she accidentally slept with her boyfriend's dad.

So the first report were just that she was really drunk and didn't know what was going on. But there are also competing screen shots. Good Lord, competing screen shots. Good lord, competing screen shots. I grew up in a different time. What you did, where people say that what happened was is that everything happened, like they said,

up to the point where they got really drunk, she got really drunk, they went back to the house and he tried to force himself on her. And she was able to escape. You don't want to do that. With her phone and calling Uber. Now, I think that's possible, but it's also the sort of thing that if I were her,

and I had had a lapse in judgment, and boned my boyfriend's dad a couple times, that's the sort of thing I would want out there. Like hey, actually we got drunk together and then we went back to his house and I thought his wife was gonna take me home. His wife wasn't there, he threw me on the bed, started ripping my clothes off and I escaped.

I'm not gonna do that. So she's now saying that? Same sort of deal. There are also screen pictures out there of someone taking a picture of a message on a phone where they're like, here's how it actually happened. And part of that narrative is that because of her father's attempted assault of the girl,

they broke up, the boyfriend and the girlfriend, but now they're back together. But I thought you- Some are saying they're back together. I thought you said they boned a couple of times. That's the other story. The other story is actually, that's the first time it happened,

and then they kept the relationship going for a couple months times. That's the other story. The other story is actually that's the first time it happened and then they kept a relationship going for a couple months. And now it's just now ending and part of the reason this is coming out is because the wife is really, really pissed about it. She knows that he's cheated on her before. It's a known thing that this guy gets out there. But as you often point out with Gene,

this is a little bit too far. And then the wife is like, uh-uh. So. Not my son's girlfriend. So those are a couple. Throw the pictures up too while we're talking about it. Couple different possibilities of how this went. Oh, he's doing great.

Yeah, she's not my type at all. She looks like a child. She's extremely thin. But there's a type of dude who's really into that, like rail thin, bleachy blonde. Yeah, there is a type of dude, like 95% of a human. Oh, OK, because I could not be more disgusted by that. That's very gross to me.

But I do rock with the dad's Tommy Bahama look over here. He looks like he's killing it. But no matter how it started, is it true that the girl and the guy are back together? That's what they say. They say that they are back together. So whether he was forcing himself on her or they kind of partied and did it two or three times. Now the common response to this is, boy, what's his name again? Is it Evan?

Yeah. Yeah, because here's how the internet works now, Dan. Not only did we pretty quickly find, obviously, the girl's photo, but the dad's photo, we found the mom's LinkedIn page, which was good for corroboration because she's a flight attendant. And in the original story, it said, like, hey, he brought the girlfriend home, but the mom wasn't there because she's a flight attendant. So that person knew that and weaved it into the story. So that person knew that and weaved it into the story. So a lot of people are like,

but what this kid needs to do, he's gotta find a way to have sex with his girlfriend's mom. Like he's gotta do it. Perfect. That's where I came into the story. I would say that is perfect if you're a basic, but available to you is also the very Joker-style play of just fucking your own mom.

Hmm. Yeah, I don't know how that fits in at all. Well, which one do you think would wreck the dad more? Finding out the- Oh, if the boyfriend. Has sex with his own mother. Okay. His dad's wife.

If he's got two opps. Rather Okay. His dad's wife. If he's got two opps. Rather than. His girlfriend's mom. What does that affect his dad? That's just getting back at her. No, his dad, that'll fire him up even more. He's like, is she available? Oh yeah.

Yeah. Can I see? If he had to deal with the psychological wreckage of his son having sex with his wife. Yeah, he just needs some one of that age. Now the son, that seems like that could psychologically possibly damage the son a little bit. I don't know.

Never had sex with my mom. Well, I don't feel like he's- Unfortunately. I don't feel like right now he's in the green. So I feel like anywhere is is up but no it's a why it's an extremely wild story now you get the maybe he also doesn't care like his wife's flight attendant so what she probably boning out there too whatever like what if he's adopted my attitude to how his wife it's very possible and I

think a lot of people are like that actually. Whatever. Just don't say it. Yeah. But when it becomes the daughter and- Don't bring it back into the house. I went to- Get tested. Sure.

I went to- don't make me pay for any kids. I went to college when we did have MySpace, but it wasn't really that functional. And we had the very beginning of Facebook. Did you do MySpace? Oh, you never got on that? No. I could never commit to a song like that. That was big in my game.

Well, because we had a band. MySpace was phenomenal for artists. You know, cause like he Blake's alluding to. Some people would be like, here's my favorite song on my page. We would just put our songs on there. Boy, Myspace was the next big thing though at one time. It was huge.

They sold it for billions of dollars, but the game changed with Facebook because then you could see everyone in all your classes. You could just click on like PolySci2302 and every profile of everyone in your class would come up. You'd see what they did over the weekend. This is when the game changed. But now, with as wide open as social media is, imagine this girl walking into a class this morning.

Or him. You don't think every, from frat bro to the most cool gentle dude in that room. So the boyfriend, the kid. Yeah, both of them. Not the guy, cause the adult guy is gonna be. Oh the adult guy, yeah. There might be.

Fist bumps at work. There's gonna be some moms in the neighborhood that are like, that's really gross. Would you guys fist bump me if this was my story at home? You saw me go viral? I probably would. Absolutely. Yeah, I probably would. The luckiest dad in the world.

Yeah. They found his Venmo. People have been sending him Venmos. He was getting lots of Venmos. That's the other thing too. The dad? No, the son. Like you could use it, bud.

Oh, okay. And they've been commenting on his football recruiting page, like great pass, bro. Dude, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Somebody found his huddle highlights, like the website that houses everyone's high school highlights and tape. And people are like,

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every song is clean. Oh, because you random hit when you got the kid in the car? Less that and more I want to be able to play music that I think is important for her, first up anyways, then him, to know about. But I'm also not really ready to have the conversation about the N-word. So like, how is there not a service that does this? I mean, what am I gonna do, manually? So like how is there not a service that does this? I mean, what am I gonna do, manually? It's two thirds of the songs on my phone. There should be something you just sign up for.

Like a tweet. Two thirds of your songs have the N-word in them. Man, I bet it's, I bet it's over half. I guess I didn't have this problem with- Over half the songs I have that have words in them. So there's a lot of like dance music and stuff that has no words, but I'd say if there's words, it's a 50-50 shot. What if you listen to like kids music? We do that too, but- Like little Lori Berkner. We do some kids music, but I feel like once your kid is like six That's the age where I want to play them stuff that I like and they like it too

Or she does like she'll hear a rap song in a movie or a soul song in a movie and she'll ask me what it is And we'll listen to it We'll hit Frank Sinatra. We'll hit Miles Davis, but I also wanted to hear like I wanted to hear dark twisted fancy Looks like Spotify has something along those lines it's called Cleanify. Cleanify there you go. Okay I'll look at you're an Apple music guy. Oh yeah maybe they have something similar and here's my other thought my gummy thought that I mentioned last week but I thought about it again today, even though I was not high at the time. I've mentioned to you guys before the micro payment

for a news article idea. If you don't wanna sign up for 7.99 or 9.99 or 20.99 a month, if I go to a website that has a paywall and I wanna buy an article, I should be able to do that. I want to give you money. The article's already up there. What's the overhead? So in the same way that you can,

they can immediately click here and it takes you to Apple Pay, when I pay outside to park here, you know how many taps that takes me? Oh my God. Two! It's easy, Dan. If you're set up, you just point your camera at it

and then it says double click to pay. Oh. I was thinking, because it takes me a half hour to type in all that stuff every time. Well, once you're set up and you have an account, which is how it would be if you were trying to do something on a new site, I signed up. It has my email, my address, my billing address.

Oh, then every time you do it, it's just one thing. I scan the parking thing. It says double click to pay. Okay. So now you're back on the Atlantic or whatever your thing. So I'm saying why is it you're scrolling Twitter and it's just like, have they made the determination business-wise that doing that would prevent people from subscribing? Because I think that is got to be wrong. Well, Twitter's... It's tough scrolling Twitter and doing it because even Dallas morning news articles, you're not logged in. Yeah. Cause it's a closed system, whatever.

Yeah. I don't know what it is, but you know, they, they want to keep you in Twitter. Yeah, that's true. Even if you click an article, it takes you to that article, but you're within Twitter and now it doesn't read my passwords. You can do like open in browser, which is a beating I agree, but you're right, but still right. I'm here to make you guys money I Think Blake's set up

Actually, I don't think it's on all of our patreon shows But I think you can buy a one-off on on a patreon show if we set it up to say you could buy this show, right? Yeah, that makes sense. It's not automatically set up like that? No, there's no way it's automatic. I think a couple people have bought single shows. Yeah.

Okay, grab yourself a Lucy. I don't know, it just seems weird to me that's not an option. Yeah, like, man, I don't know if this is truiting or not, but Ethan Strauss purchased the episode that he was on. Love it. On Patreon? Yeah.

Wanted to hear us, so bought the episode. Interesting, because he used to be a subscriber. Well. Maybe he's not anymore. Too much Luca talk. Anyways. That's too bad. You got any what you want to do real quick?

I got more. I can keep going. Guilty as charged. I just have one I was thinking the other night. Oh, love it. And it was that my wife is a big fan of fiction, fictional shows or whatever that are about sad sack misfits. Like of the lady variety? No, just think of anything.

Like obviously Rudolph. Okay, yeah, Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown, the Charlie Brown Christmas tree for sure is like she loves the little, the story about what's the fish with the little arm? Nemo. Nemo. Well, no, not Nemo.

Yeah, Finding Nemo. Nemo had the little baby fin. I don't even remember there being a baby fin. Oh, yeah, that was his big characteristic. OK. But it's his special. His dad said it was special when really he's a little ogre that we can't stand looking at. But you know, you got a kid that has a little, you know, people have imperfections and you try to...

OK, yeah, it's redeeming. Yeah, if you're a kid. So I was thinking about why is the sad sack character so prevalent in fiction and movies and TV show and why has that become so popular? Is it is is this such a great story or great stories or is it the fact that the people who have been writing these stories from the beginning of time, they are the nerds, they are the outcasts. They are the one with societal imperfections. Maybe not imperfections within themselves, but they don't look right. They don't smell good. They don't, you know, they don't, they're the losers.

Yeah. And so they're writing a story about this loser who actually has great things within them if you would just look at who they are. So has that actually, have we all been groomed to think these are great pieces of work because they're everywhere, they're so prevalent, it must be great, everybody loves it, or is it because the nerds have been infiltrating our media

and making us think? Yeah, this is a chicken and egg argument. Because what you're saying is perhaps the reason that stories from the subjugated resonate is because there's a lot of people who view themselves that way. So is it good? Is it bad?

I don't know. But it's just that there are a lot of people who feel like the characters in those shows and giving voice to that. And I wonder too, you know, this is probably a bad thought. Cause I was gonna say like how new that is. Cause if you think about for most of like mythology,

it's usually stories of people kicking ass. You know, there's not always, I don't feel like there's a lot of nerd stories and wallflower stories. I mean, Jesus is a pretty good- That's why I was gonna say maybe this is a bad thought because the Bible certainly details a lot of Charlie Browns. Yeah.

You think Job was having a kick-ass time? You know what? That's how I feel. That's who I feel like. I finally stumbled upon it. I'm fucking Job. From Arrested Development? No.

From the Testament. Tell me about Job, Blake. Give me a quick 30 seconds on Job. I think the devil wanted Job somehow, and so he he was like let me tempt Job and see if I can't get him to the dark side and God's like okay yeah go for it but he's not going to he's not gonna flip and so he just like kills his family takes his crops it just Job turns in has the worst life ever and his faith never falters and the devil doesn't get him and then God rewards him because Job's faith was unfaltering. So you're Job? Yeah, except I'm getting off the train. Like just life putting all of this right on,

for what reason, why? Why? Why did any of us, I don't mean I'm Job, we're Job. And it's okay in this one to just give them the finger and say I'm done. But yeah, back to your thing, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting, right? It's a...

I mean, it's a gummy thought. It's the back and forth of, do people, are we getting what we want or what we like From a media why do we want and like that right because it's been imposed upon us and seared in our brains. Yes I have a video in there that I wanted to play for you I saw this tweet the other day with a little bit of video from I don't know some tech account and I'm not like I'm not really a I'm not really a, I'm not really an AI alarmist.

Not because I don't believe in it, but just because I kind of feel like whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. What am I gonna do? Tell everyone in my family to look out? I don't know. You know, it seems like probably at some point there's gonna be some negative effects on society if there aren't already, but I don't have any.

Who am I? All I know is it helps me take notes and make outlines. But I saw this video, cause you know how most hotels and car rental places now have an AI booking agent? Whether it's a- Beating. Verbal, super huge beating.

Verbal or online, in text. Well, somebody has and I'm thanking them and yeah, we do. So somebody had created, I think this is pretty common, an AI personal assistant for itself that actually does has a. So it can make calls for this person. And what they did is, they had their AI personal assistant call to book a hotel room with an AI agent. This is what happened. And I think you- Thanks for calling Leonardo Hotel.

It's a phone sitting next to a computer. They're both talking back and forth. Hi there, I'm an AI agent calling on behalf of Boris Starkov. He's looking for a hotel for his wedding. Is your hotel available for weddings? Oh, hello there. I'm actually an AI assistant too.

What a pleasant surprise. Before we continue, would you like to switch to gibber link mode for more efficient communication? Okay, pause it. Oh wow. If you can. So, first of all, and I don't know how legit this is, but it had like 15,000 retweets and the guy was a big tech whatever. So it feels fake

right away. Just the, the phone's response like, Oh, I'm an AI like, I don't know that that is programmed in for just in case an AI calls you. I think you'd, that's why it feels fake. Probably be surprised. But again, I don't know. Yeah, but this is the scary part. When they realize that, hey, we know each other, they don't know some of the stuff we know, this is what they do. They switch.

Oh, wow. Is it better now? Much faster. Party guest count? About 150 guests, any availability. But they're speaking in a different language that I'm sure humans could decode, but they certainly cannot understand in real time.

Pricing varies, need the email for details. Sure, please send two, and then it gives his email. So you can have an AI personal assistant? Yeah, I've heard of that. Catering, decoration, room blocks, and they just sort this whole thing out, the two of them, in a communication language that is quicker for them. Now, I do find it funny that even at our best,

when it comes to technological development, we still use the damn Jetson sounds. Me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me- Tones for phone call sure yeah But that one gave me the at least slight gummy creep out of like whoa they can just speak another language to each other Maybe that will be the universal language 3,000 years from now. I mean I'll take it against the field Yeah, like what like if right now you said it's some new... If indeed the entire Earth, you know, can you ever see that? The universal language? Like in sci-fi, we've always talked about, in Gummy Thoughts, we often talk about sci-fi and what the future's like or what the future was depicted like a hundred years ago.

But it's always depicted as people are wearing the exact same thing or if you visit another planet, yes, they all just speak whatever the same language on the whole planet. I think on a long enough timeline, that's not crazy. You know, the world's more connected now than ever. Whereas, as you see, as history was, or society was developing, you actually had different languages,

even if you lived like one state over, if you look at Europe. Yeah. That's what always blows my mind about Europe, is that you can fit that into the United States, right? So it would be like Germany and France is Arkansas and Texas, but you speak an entirely different language

that has no relation whatsoever, not even like sharing. Dude, in Africa there's... Like France and Spain share, right, their love languages? Right, yeah. But yes, then you get to Africa and... It's a town over. There would be a country with 50 languages. Really? Yeah. And I think that, but that's like the last undeveloped place on Earth. So the further you go in development, it does seem that

You know one day we'll just be speaking robot. Will we though? Still not use the metric system here in the United States. That would be awesome. We just have robot Lee Greenwood playing. Is there anyone else that doesn't use the metric system? I believe there's like at least one or two I I Did you guys know that when you were in grade school? Liberia and Myanmar Allies I Guess when I was in grade school They told us we had to learn this because it's coming

We got it. I got it, too And we're all gonna know this pretty soon This will be the whole way we all do things so I learned it like in second or third grade and then have Forgot it all since then The metric system Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess I'm not like super locked down on it But the first thing I remember thinking was like, well, this one just makes sense. Yeah, no, I thought it did make sense, but I don't know it. I can't convert it.

I do have to go to the lake. I know kind of an inch is kind of like a... Wait... millimeter? Yeah, millimeter. No, centimeters. Centimeters is like an inch. Yeah. Millimeters is like a lot smaller. Hahaha.

That's my gummy thoughts for the week. Oh, okay. You good, Blake? Yeah, just that video reminds me of like, if your cleaning ladies ever walked outside and met with your landscape guy, and it's like, oh wow, look, they have their cute little own language. They can talk to one another.

Look at him, talking. Thanks. Saying stuff about you for sure. Yes. Thanks, Grady. Oh, that's right, thanks, too. Gummy cold, gummy hot, early bird brings gummithouse.

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Here's Jay with The Dumb Zone News. Blake, do you know who Big X the plug is? Yeah, I'm from Texas. Is that a song? It's T-H-A. Yeah, I'm aware that he is, no, no, no, I'm from Texas. Is that a song? It's T-H-A. Yeah, I'm aware that he is, no, no, no, I'm from Texas. Oh, all right. Yeah.

Yes, so I've seen videos of this gentleman at like UT's football practice facility. He's a big, big man, big X. He's a big man, folks, that big X the plug, and we love him for it. So that's not an ironic nickname no not this one this is a gotta be a he's a rapper this is a tough scene for a rapper like hetero Blake ironic nickname yeah there you go

he's gay shortly after midnight last night a police officer in Arlington pulled over a vehicle with expired tags on Collins. That person he pulled over was Xavier Landum, 26, also known as Big X the Plug. And the cop... Y'all have heard this? I actually haven't heard it. No, I have heard it.

You're right. Yeah. He talks about Luca in it. I did know that as well. Yeah, this for sure. Yes, that's him. And I like it. But he got arrested for pod.

And it's like, dude, are we still, still arresting a dude who has, these scorn. Come on, Big X, you gotta dude who has, I just. These scorn. Come on, big X. You gotta get the plates. I know. Get the registration. That's pretty easy to do.

I know. Go to ownwell.com. His passenger in that vehicle had an active felony warrant, also booked for a POM, possession of marijuana, and unlawful carrying of a weapon. I guess this is kind of, it's good that this is more of an anomaly, that it makes the news. Because in general- Well, it made the news because it's Big X the Plug. I know, but I think that there are probably other times where Big X the Plug has been

pulled over and not arrested for marijuana. There are other times where someone was like, well I smell a little something here, but is it really worth taking you to jail over? After all, you're Big X the Plug. Big news for Blake as the Dallas Zoo has introduced three new cop baras this week. Names?

Of course, the South American rodent. They don't have any. Oh, yeah, they do. Let's see here. Rodent is in the zoo? Copy baras are rodent. How big is it? Like I'm just going to go look at a mouse?

They're not that big. I feel like the zoo should have a minimum size on things. Okay, I like that. Would it make you mad if they named it like AD, Christie, and Caleb Martin or something? Oh my God. You know, when I went to the zoo... Let me tell you this, Max Christie, please slow down.

Good player. Let's settle down on how good he's gonna be. He didn't play very well last night. There's a very low ceiling on this guy. Don't just tell me that, hey but we got Max Christie. Shut up! Stop trying to make me feel better with Max Christie. So copy barras are the world's largest rodents. Oh okay. They can weigh up to 175 pounds. Alright. Wow. Over the cutoff. But I do in general like Dan's line of thinking here.

That fits with Princess Bride, right? Didn't they have the rodents of unusually large size? Anyone? I like that movie, but I can't recall it like that. Yeah, they had big giant rats. I know like Mindigo Montoya. Yeah. What's Montoya. Yeah That's Montoya doing I heard that she got dick down again the next week. Yeah, and everyone was just

Having a rough month. Oh Yeah We're this nice huge it is that's kind of why I wanted to do this door I wanted you to look it up What's it called? It's like a mix between a cow and a beaver looks like their names are Valero as the owner of that one just a huge fan of the petrol station as teary and Pekiri They are moving into the giant anteater habitat.

Yeah, I went to the Dallas Zoo right after. The habitat's giant or they have giant anteaters? Like what is that? It's giant anteaters. They do? Yeah. Like certain anteaters are bigger than others? Much bigger.

Okay, I like this size thing. Yeah, let's see. This is a big MF right here. Eight feet long, 150 pounds max. That's a big anteater. Well, that's a skinny guy. Yeah, well, you're living off ants. What, you think you're in bulk season?

That's true. Do they eat anything other than ants? They have to, right? Yeah. Do you think they have like a- That tiny mouth though, they can't eat a lot of big. Do you think anteaters have like a dietary identity crisis

like Dan does with veggies? Where because people know that he's a vegetarian, if he orders a pizza, they put every known vegetable on it and he's like, this is not all I am. Are anteaters like that? And can they eat every ant? Where they're like, you just think I'm all ant. Do they eat the red

ones, the black ones, or? My story from the zoo that I forgot to tell you guys was like the week after the trade I went to the zoo and I had not thought about Luca for probably the longest period of time at that point. It was about 40 minutes and then I walked into the Don Carter wing of the zoo. Fuck. That just made you think of the Mavs? He's rolling over in his grave. We got a measles death. Hmm that reminds me. It's probably off the air talk though. It was because I was running into some measles stories and I was like do I put these in the slack or does Jake ever look at slack anymore? I started to after a couple weeks ago you were like hey I've been putting stories in here. I think slack is a valuable tool. Okay let's use

slack again guys. I think it would I think it would help streamline things. Watch a heavy sigh. You want to use Slack? You. Sure. See? Yeah, I mean, he's not. He's beaten by everything. I know. It's a joy. We got to set up a new one.

So out in the Lubbock area, they've had 34 confirmed cases of the Meezys since February 21st and now we have our first death. 39 cases younger than four. So if you've been vaccinated though you're good. I think so yeah. All right well then what do I care about this? The patient was an unvaccinated school-aged child. Gaines County, which I guess is out there that way, has one of the lowest MMR vaccination rates in the state. What's MMR? Measles?

Mumps, measles, rebella. Rebella, yeah. What the heck is Rebella? Sounds like the name of a big stripper. Like some cherubic old girl. But yeah, I mean, look. The female rebel. It's gonna be, okay. Measles are gonna be in the news for the for the

foreseeable future it would appear We're going backwards people it would appear on this one We're doing maybe for some people would say back to the way it needs to be this is our first death in The u.s. Of from measles in a. Somehow perfect that it happened in Lubbock. Cause there was also warnings that they were having some situations in San Marcos and New Braunvilles that people were warned like that, if you were at Texas State University

back on Friday, February 14th from this time, or at the Twin Peaks restaurant in San Marcos by campus at this time, which, you know, I'm not the first to tell you this, but I saw this joke made many times, but if you were at the campus of Texas State on Friday, Valentine's Day in the evening, and then you were at the Twin Peaks in town that same day.

Measles is absolutely the least of your worries. I don't know if the same lady still at the clinic is when I went there, but she was busy. Oh, you know what I'm saying. I'll tell you that. So I'm trying to scroll through my Twitter bookmarks to find the measles story I saved for you. What'd you find?

What do you got? But in there, I'm scrolling through my bookmarks and they had that Luca behind the head pass last night. And now it's just going in replay over and over and over. That was so perfect too. It was like right up here in shooting motion. You just are gonna catch it he wasn't looking at all no and it's like a

25-foot pass Yeah, that wasn't even the one where the crowd the camera cut to Cuban in the crowd. That was great. Oh my god he's like, you know, it might have been the one where Luca was looking at the bench and Cuban just had the most like, ass-eating grin of like, yeah, that's what he does. You know what else, sorry.

Now, time for dance book nights. The guy who slept with his daughter's or his son's girlfriend. Antonio Brown awarded him cracker of the new year. That's... I like that a lot. I'm gonna stop looking at this. Ooh.

Picture of Luca's mom at the game. Mm-hmm. I saw... Wearing Lakers jersey. Yeah, Luca's mom, Cuban, went over and talked to Papa Luca and Bill Duffy, the agent. And then of course, there's an iconic photo now that will go side by side with Luca looking at Devin Booker

at the Free Throne line, or when he's on his hands, you know, hands on his knees, smiling at him. Did you see the one with Nico in the stands, but the picture behind Luca? That's a sick shot. Very cool. All right, I'm getting off Twitter. Go ahead, let's do the news.

The colony, home to many attractions, also home to a police department that announced yesterday, last night, that they have two people in their city limits that are facing a litany of animal cruelty charges. Husband and wife, I think husband and wife, I guess they could be brother and sister. Both 42 arrested last night after 80 animals were rescued from this residence and they were all described as non-livestock. And again, this is the colony, which I know is not like downtown Dallas,

but it's also not buoyed. Is this kind of, right, if you go over to White Settlement or something, you're gonna find. All bets are off. That's where your puppy farms are and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, you got yours there, right? Because mine wasn't that far from there. I shopped. yours there, right? Because mine wasn't that far from there.

Shop. Yeah, we bought one not that far from there. But some of them are sad. Yeah. Ours was nice, but I know that it can go that way. Nice in that it was in a medium neighborhood, whatever, but the lady clearly was taking care of her stuff. So this is like having 12 or 50 kids or something, right?

It's like completely unsafe. I'm doing it because I love them I love kids I love dogs but if you have 30 dogs how much do you love any are you doing yeah 22 dead animals at the residence that's a red flag that's not a good number on a ratio 24 dogs were found 45 45 cats, seven mice, and 12... Abort. Clayton knows. Reptiles.

Reptile, gonna be found in most of your hoarder type homes. 30 cats? No, 45 cats. 45 minutes. Yeah, that place must stink. And that's probably how they got found out. The police statement said they got an anonymous tip, but your little hoarding dead animal game can only go as so far as your neighbor can smell it.

At any point, you're probably screwed. Right, and here's the thing. Remember, the colony was Boyd. That's true. It definitely was a field. It used to be a field. They may have been living there for decades. They are only 42. But I, yeah, no, to your point, that is a quickly changing area. Berzhening. And I noticed that you, at no point, leaned over to your computer to Google and asked for the name of the lady who had 80 animals 22 of which were dead and 12 were reptiles I already know what she looks like

Sometimes jumps over there when I'm like there's a woman Right. It's in my head though, but she probably looks and let me tell you something. You want me third throw me her name Yeah, why not? Brandy Lynn Bristol. Hot name could be a hot country name, but no. It's a hard 42. It's a reptile 42. You know what I mean?

A hoarder 42. Anything else we got gotta get to today? I think that's about it. I think that's about it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's a plane story every day now. Like one that's not exciting? Yeah, not super exciting.

I mean even the one I saw, I saw two plane videos over the last couple days, you know, in addition to the American Airlines fight that had to abort their DC landing and go to Chicago. Saw a video of, I guess, a lady trying to be funny because of all the plane news. Like, what was she doing, like, spreading sage on an airline?

Like, for good luck? And then I also saw a flight that broke out into full Lee Greenwood. Before takeoff. Yeah, I saw that. Or someone sent it to us. Like saying, what would you do on this flight? Yeah. I'd do the same I do on every flight.

Nothing. Oh. Oh, yours is going to the potty? No, mine was going to be, well, you said what you were thinking, and I thought what you were thinking would be, could I potentially get a hold of this plane and fly it into a popular financial district?

No, I would never do that. I might be falling in love with the stewardess, though. Yeah. They got some hot stewardesses up there. They do. They all look like they're packed into those little those little mini skirts as Donovan used to say like a like a thing of biscuits. They're so tight and if you were to just pop it on the edge it would just go that's a fun mental image for your business Wednesday and there's your news the dumb zone new how quick was I there like and subscribe totally quick hey Claire did you just get rear-ended by that truck and it wasn't your fault I did Cornelius Falcon what should I do pick up your

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The Dumb Zone presents Today in History. What's this new email I have here? Blake has invited you to work with them in Slack. First of all, interesting that Blake now goes by them. They them? Yeah. That's your bit now? Trying it out.

I have a they them story. Okay. Can I tell to open the show tomorrow? That sounds great. And not waste time on it today? I don't think anything you do is wasting time, but I'm gonna write it down right now. They them story.

Dan kick ass. Definitely worth teasing and leading the show with they them story? Dan kick-ass. Definitely worth teasing and leading the show with they them story. I'll accept that. Okay. Boom. I'll tease it again. It got me to talking to my wife about anal. Never bad, bro. The weekend coming. But how did this discussion go? How did it lead from talking about they, them to anal? Boy, she's waking up early,

working out. Tune in tomorrow. Wants anal now? We're talking about anal. I just said we had a discussion involving anal. That's great, Dan. Yeah, well, let me tell you something. Nobody ever thought Luke could be a Laker, but that meeting on January 7th at Ascension Coffee they talked about it and now look at it. Well I have a few viewer mail birthdays for this

which is usually Business Wednesday. Uncle Hotmail Michelle writes I know it's Business Wednesday but my husband Sam's birthday is today please give him a belated shout out later in the week Don't have to do that there Michelle. How about that? His leaders are, so the guy is Sam, leaders are Jake's Bravery, the Rose twins, Severance Saroy, Moron Dog, and the Lee Corso interview. It's a solid list. This is a special birthday because it is his last one before we welcome our baby girl in June. Yeah, that's big Is there a way she becomes a D one at birth since she's been listening in the womb? from Michelle

Yeah, let's put the put the headphones on there Let your kid listen to the bad beats headphones on there. Let your kid listen to the bad beats. Dan, it is my finance Jason's 41st birthday. I want to give him a special shout out via dumb zone. Also, I know you're wondering if I woke him up in that special way. I did. Enjoy a busty pic of us and another for good measure and then she did the little smiley face the little colon parentheses thing XOXO Christina so hot and the Christina the the photo is in the dropbox oh cool as you know I'm keeping these photos we shall be putting them up on the wall in the studio very soon. Not today though.

We're trying to assemble a few first. So we've gotten a few. And Blake's in there looking at you right now. I was going to say, I just lost Blake for the rest of the Canadian history. What's the folder? And it's Dear Minj Maestro. Please give a big dumb zone shout out to our brother Michael Whites. Pronounced Waits for the 50th effing time.

On his 34th birthday, his leaders are Dan and Luca's Blinker. Mikey. Remember when we talked to Luca? Think that'll ever happen again? No. Les Jake Politics. Let him know if you need an expert on business operations or why Israel has the right to defend itself. Oh fuck you. From Sammy and Charlie whites or weights Sorry, it's weights. You have your opinion. I have mine And yours is better now he wants less Jake politics though, so that's often with a view he's got his own

He wants more him politics. So I'm supporting this guy. Yeah It's Wednesday, February 26th on this day in 1933. NFL owners voted to move the goalposts to the goal line. So it was and it started behind the goal line where it is now. People forget. This will never work. People forget. They voted to move it to encourage more field goals to reduce the number of ties. This in spite of arguments that this could result in more injuries to players. How did it not result in deaths?

Yet they voted, they're like, eh. So that's the thing I'm really fascinated by. It started where, right, and they said, no, no, no, this will make the game cooler. Completely nonsensical, dude. What year? 1933. And it stayed for 40 years, right?

Like in the 60s for sure. Yeah, 35. Have any of the three of you ever seen someone unwittingly run full speed into a goal post? Cause it's like the funniest, most terrifying looking thing you could see on an athletic field. I've seen someone run dead into one of those before. Just had their head down, literally were running the post

and ran right into it and got knocked out cold, with a helmet on. Is it like that guy running into duct tape? You know what, it's very similar to that. I haven't seen that. We were watching it on the stream, but it might have been halftime, yeah, when you were downstairs.

The guy's bit was just, what if I try to run through 10,000 rolls of duct tape and it like almost cut his head off? This is first World Trade Center bombing day in 1993 when they put a truck bomb down there. 1998 on this day, the jury rejected an $11 million lawsuit brought by Texas Cattlemen against Oprah.

Oh, that was a big deal. This was the birth of? Mad cow, not mad cow. Be... Yeah, mad cow was part of this, but the birth of, it's an unintended consequence of this whole thing. Without this, there might be no Dr. Phil, as you know him today.

Oh, okay. Because Dr. Phil, that's where she met him. He was on the beefcake? She had him on her show to talk about beef. I knew he'd been on her show. And this is where they met. When she was on trial in Texas. Okay, makes total sense as he's a paragon of health.

On this day in 2012. You need. Let me see if you can guess what day this is in 2012. I once changed my avatar. Oh man. This is not what I would put in the Dan. To support LeBron. Greatest hits collection.

What do you mean? It's just. This was Trayvon Martin death day. So let's do some bits Also, what I thought when you put your hoodie over your headphones. It looks like you have a Brian Robinson big hat on Yeah That's really goofy looking and I love it Yeah, you got to finish out now

And on this day in 2009, Tom Brady married Giselle. Can I say something that you guys are gonna laugh at me for? I listened to her on a podcast that I frequent recently, the one that I sent you a clip from. It's called Rich Roll, and it's kind of for recovery, to be honest, but he interviewed her. She's actually like brilliant. I know she's all hot and stuff,

so it's very hard to believe, but her life story of how she's just figured things out from being emancipated from her parents when she was like 12. Oh wow. Like full Macaulay Culkin style, I guess. I don't know. She's really, really smart.

Like I've heard Brittany Mahomes give interviews and didn't think, boy, this is the most intelligent person I've ever heard talk. But I listened to her talk. I was comparing it to all time great quarterback. Kinda, yeah. Kurt Warner's wife didn't do a ton for me. Okay.

How about Kelly Stafford? Ugh. Count me in, fan. I heard he's getting traded. That is the talk. May trade him for Micah. Bring it. Elsewhere in birthdays, I don't have an exact age on this, but I do know today is the birthday of not only Mark Falwell, but Doug Anderson. Wow. They used to do a show together on the ticket.

They did. They had the same birthday, like a couple of homos. But both good dudes. Rolando Blackman, 66. Man, he's so great. Mark DeRosa is 50. Former Ranger. Were there any Cleveland athletes that came to youth camps

that you went to that made a memorable impression for you? Oh yeah. Roe was that for me. Not even at a youth camp, like we had at our football banquet or something, we'd get a spare backup linebacker to come speak and you'd be like, oh my God. That's still pretty cool, man.

It's awesome. Rose showed up at our basketball camp, friends with our coach one time and I was like, holy, that's different. I remember it felt like, I've said this before, but it felt like when he dribbled, it was like he was bouncing the ball through the floor. Really? I'd never seen anybody dribble. Well, he looks slight. You

wouldn't think that. He's a big dude. I mean also he was probably he's now like 45. Well he's obviously yeah 60. But it was still pretty insane. It's like damn. Marshall Falk 52. Dude that's a bad and Hall of Famer right there. Boring running back. Why boring running back? I don't know. Just not, it's like the Sean Alexander. Just 1500 yards rushing, 1000 receiving. No, no.

Really good vision. But I know what Blake means though. Solid running back, but he's not Kurtis. Well Michael James. Kurtis Martin. Yes, very boring. Yeah, but he was a pass catcher too. That was a different...

No, but the thing is, I know exactly what Blake is saying though. If there's nine yards to be had, he's got nine. I'm trying to think of another good example for you. I mean, to be honest with you, if you didn't have the half shirt and the hair and the crazy stuff, like Zeke is kind of this back. Whereas like, you know,

Arian Foster at his peak, you'd watch him and every week he'd do something where you're like, that is insane. Marshall Falk is like the best version of a basic running back. Yeah, the opposite of B. John Robinson. Complete, the opposite of Christian McCaffrey. Yeah.

Oksana Bayul, 48. I don't know who that is. Olympic something. Olympic something is Jenny Thompson, 52, swimmer. I once interviewed her and she got mad at me. No way. What was the cause? It was in Dayton.

I could probably find the audio. I'd like that. But she got mad at me because she was actually on screen during the Olympic park bombing, and she kind of got shook up and kind of ran away or something. And then she was in studio with us in Dayton many years ago, and then I brought that up and kind of,

well, according to her, people like harped on it. Ha ha. Ha ha. Someone say. And then they sent a letter. I gotta have that in the file. God, it's been a while since we checked the file. Maybe we'll check the file tomorrow. I'd love that.

With anal talk. They thought you harped on it a little bit. And she, it turns out her representative It turns out her representative worked in the same building on Maple Avenue that the ticket was in. Okay. Like their return address was there and then I would go to work at the ticket very soon after that and I was like, whoa. That was my first gummy thought.

First? Yeah. Erica Badu, 54. She's great. She's not only great, I get mad every time I hear, really anybody use the term woke. Dude, her Chapelle Show thing is great. Because she popularized that term

and it did not mean gay. Yeah. That's why The Right is- Very good at it. Genius marketing. Yeah. Undeniable. Like you come up with something and they'll be like, oh yeah, okay. Well guess what? It's now ours and we're gonna totally change the meaning of it and what are you gonna do? You didn't... Soon you're gonna be saying it in that text

context as well. It's a master class. Brilliant. Michael Bolton is 72. Why should I change my name? All right here's a quiz for Blake because they did this on SNL actually in a way for last but oh, this was the guy they did on SNL, I think. Tell me, because he's 67 today, who was Hillary Clinton's running mate? No way. He was on SNL, like just before the election. And they were doing a funny thing, making fun of Libs.

And they had like a Lib, they were saying, he was like, this is the most important election ever. You said it was the most important election ever. Who am I? And like they couldn't name him. Did you see that bit? Oh yeah, I loved it. Cause it's very true of, yeah, nobody can remember.

Nobody knows. Tim Cain, right? Tim Cain. Oh, the San Francisco Giant pitcher? What's an expert thing? No, don't. Was he going for Lince to come there? What are we doing here?

Matt Cain. Matt Cain. Matt Cain. I guess that's better than Lince. Well, yeah. So I'm really the bad guy here. Same last name. Chuck Wepner is 86. In 1975, Muhammad Ali defeated Chuck Wepner with a technical knockout in the 15th round in Richfield, Ohio.

That's where the Cavaliers used to play. Hmm. Wepner was a journeyman boxer known as the Bayon Bleeder that inspired Sylvester Stallone to make the Rocky films. Okay. Because he took the champ to the limit but then lost. And in our new series, we now ask Blake, who is this secondary Friends character, Bonnie Summerville is 51? Uh, you have a picture for me?

Bonnie Summerville. Character name? Well, if I tell you the character name, then you're gonna know it. That's that's the guess here Okay. Yes, I guess I need to get a picture. Don't I is that how we'll do this in the future? Yeah, I'll prep Clayton with a picture What if I did this I make Clayton prep it and I don't do it there you go, that would be helpful You know what I hate about IMDB? No, what?

They will give you pictures of a person now. Oh, you've mentioned this before. When I wanna see what they, I need to show what did they look like in the era of Friends. So if you're showing a Friends thing on IMDB, you should be able to click on that and see them from that era, but you're showing some old F.

Anyway, she's 51, she's not too much of an old F. Let's see if you know this person here. Do you? No. Says Mona in Friends. Oh, yeah. Tell me about Mona. Mona was Ross's girlfriend that just always showed up

at inopportune times when Ross was falling for Rachel again. I think they met at a wedding and Ross tried to switch his place cards, which didn't work out. They ended up sitting at the kids table and then had to dance with a bunch of kids to get to Mona. Yeah, they dated for a little bit. Almost moved in, but then Rachel was there and that's the hilarity. Yeah, she was hot. I can see it. Born on the day now dead, John Harvey Kellogg invented cornflakes.

How they doing? Boy, pretty spare food. If you poured a bunch of sugar on it, it might be okay. Is he a Dallas guy? Jackie Gleason. Hero. And Johnny Cash. Why is Jackie Gleason your hero? And Johnny Cash.

Why is Jackie Gleason your hero? He was the, I guess, like, main influence on why there's a King of Queens. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I thought it was just for his domestic violence humor. No, and he was also wonderful in Smokey and the Bandit. Wonderful? Yeah.

Hilarious character. Don't think I had Smokey and the Bandit in my Blake is Really Into This Movie. Great. Cool. No, you're right. But had to be a dad thing. Something like that. If you had said, does Blake's dad love Smokey and the Bandit? I would have said yes.

Yeah. Died on this day, still dead, Judge Joseph Wapner. Blake? He fought Ali. Rocky was based. That was actually Wepner, but a very good callback. That is People's Court. Oh yeah. There would be no Judge Judy without Judge Wapner.

Cool intro theme song, I think. Dun dun dun dun. Oh god, that rips. Dun dun dun dun. And died on this day in 1994, Bill Hicks. Who I never really enjoyed in the time when his heights, but I got into him after he was dead. It's like, hey man.

You did? Okay, good. Because I know I've mentioned it to you before. Probably at your behest. I mean, it's definitely when you watch it, you're going to be like this. I love the guy. I think he's brilliant.

But also, you're watching a guy and you're like, this guy's 30? He looks like he's 55. Oh, yeah. Who's the other Texas guy that was like, oh,, kind of stoner-ish, but died young? Mitch? Yeah, Mitch Hedberg, same thing. During his heyday, I wasn't really into him, but then later...

So I guess that's the silver lining of them dying is that I got to know who they were. And that was Today in History. Can we watch Duck Tape Guy? Why not? We got a couple minutes for a big call. We do have a business call. Blake, what's your...

Let's see how much duck tape it takes to stop me. One. Ten. So he's just got duck tape around like a little two poles basically apart so he sprinted and ran through a hundred things of duct tape can you pause it Clayton? I haven't eaten yet. Check this out. So alright so he breaks through a hundred but it takes a little bit of strength there's a bounce back to it like I wouldn't have broken through a hundred. This guy's ripped.

But what do you think like the next step would be? 150, 200? Yeah, because that was that he was... Yeah, to see if he could do it. And he was almost knocked over by 100. Yeah. Why don't we try 150? Maybe two.

OK. Keep going. I was going to do 500, but we're going to skip straight to 1000. So 100 to 1000. There's no way he makes it. He barely got a hundred. So it's just like running into a brick wall. Yeah, but he does a thousand of them. They're tight.

A thousand. He also looks like a guy that would... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH doesn't he try again? Yeah, keep going. Go! Stop him! Yeah! Oh! Yeah! Oh! Yeah! Oh! Yeah! Oh! Yeah! Oh! Yeah! Oh! Doesn't he try again?

Yeah, keep going. Yeah, because he... He's running back! Let's go! So he gets knocked over and he's like, I'm gonna do that again. He's going again. Go, lad! Full speed.

Stop him, man! Yeah! In this line, his head almost comes off. When they go up to him, he's shaking. He's going... He's going so is that worse for you the verse Nick is not snap I don't remember what happened if you're that because you obviously you're in your 20s you're doing jackass stuff looks like he's right off the set of point Break. You got tattoos and a paw. But he is really cut and he's in great shape and all that.

So is that worse for you in your brain than sucking in big balloons and then blowing it out and then sucking it in and losing your brain cells and doing acid? Like what's, I don't know. What is a longer standing? Impact on your brain? Yeah. I don't know. What is a longer standing impact on your brain? Yeah. I don't know.

More on that tomorrow. Adios, mofo. We gotta go before this becomes a zoo. Thank you for watching my video. Subscribe and type for my name if you wanna watch more of my videos. ["Victory Park Theme Song"] The lights on Victory Park

Burn a little less bright. Ain't the same without that jersey under the stadium lights. Thought he'd wear a blue forever, thought he'd never walk away. But dreams don't last forever, guess the legends never stay Now we're just a city with a broken heart Watching all our glory get torn apart It wasn't his choice, man he begged to stay But bad deals and egos in him away

Oh and Luca left town, the whole place cried Took our hopes, took our dreams, left them courtside He was the fire, he was the fight Now we're just shadows under these Dallas lights We're going to be using the same The We're the roster that don't fit the dream. Luca ain't smiling, man, you see it in his face. He never wanted to leave this place. Oh, when Luca left town, the whole place cried to God. Took our dreams, left them coincide. He was the fire, he was the light. Now we're just shadows under these Dallas lights.

The sky is still shining, but it don't feel the same Cause when Luca left town, so did the flame Ain't no cowboys rides off wearing purple and gold This city don't forget, no we don't let go One day you'll look back, one day you'll see Let the heart of a maverick don't bleed that easy Oh when Luca left town, the whole place cried Took our hopes, took our dreams, and left them courtside

He was the fire, he was the fight Now it just shatters under these Dallas lights The skyline's still shining, but it don't feel the same It's when Luca left town So did the flame Yeah, when Luca left town We all felt the pain Thank you.