The Dumb Zone FREE - The Dumb Zone 6-29-24 Weekly Wrap Up

Episode Date: June 29, 2024

Hear every episode of The Dumb Zone by subscribing to our Patreon - Patreon.com/TheDumbZoneIt's the weekly wrap up show hosted by Blake Jones, recapping the best segments from the week of The Dumb Zone. From Kempspin number 500 to the Netflix documentary on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders to Mormons grooming teenagers, this episode will catch you up on everything The Dumb Zone did this week (00:00) - Intro (02:18) - 6/24 Open (25:11) - 6/27 No Puppet backstory (29:04) - 6/25 Sports: Redick press conference (01:05:56) - 6/27 TV: Sarah Hepola talks cheerleader documentary (01:20:32) - 6/28 Scott Padgett follow up (01:28:20) - 6/28 Jake explains Kyle Filipowski (01:40:32) - 6/24 News (01:56:50) - 6/27 Jake recreates Hawk Tuah (02:01:20) - 6/25 Today in History (02:27:01) - 6/28 Debate coverage (03:06:29) - Outro ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

All right, episode number two of this unnamed product wrapping up the week that was in the dumb zone. Hello, I'm your host, Blake Jones, and I will get you caught up on what happened on the podcast this week. Pretty long episode in this installment, so won't waste a lot of time here at the top. Just like last week, I'd like to build this out like a won't waste a lot of time here at the top. Just like last week, I'd like to build this out like a normal show with a few one-off things in between that I want to make sure that you heard. So this week, we'll open up with the open that includes Jake's wild Uber ride from over the weekend, as well as Dan's latest predicament with his landscaper.

We get the backstory of where No Puppet came from. We digest the J.J. Reddick introductory press conference, which was filled with more comedy than was probably intended. Dallas Morning News' Sarah Heppler drops by to talk the new Netflix documentary on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Jake issues an apology to one of the people involved in the documentary. Jake educates us on the kid in the NBA draft who may have been groomed by his Mormon babysitter. We hit the news today in history with a little Hawk Tua and debate coverage to round us out.

Lots to get to, but while I have you, hope to see some of you at our remote on Monday. We'll be at the VFW in Grapevine. Address is 221 Main Street, Grapevine. We'll be there from about noon to 3. Lunch will be served for all firefighters, paramedics, and police. Next week will also be a short week, as the show will be off Thursday and Friday for July 4th.

But we'll leave you with three episodes, as we'll go Monday through Wednesday next week. It looks like we're green lit for Cowboys training camp. We plan to be out there from August 5th through the 14th. So a long trip for us. But if you're out California way and you'll be in the area during that time, hit us up at thedumbzoneatgmail.com. That should be it for now.

So let's kick off by going back to Monday, June 24th for our open that day, which involves Jake sitting in the back of an Uber as it's pulled over by Southlake police. But first joined by KJ Ellis, longtime friend of Jake and member of Washed Media, Dan explains why he chose a white landscaper. So my question was, so I, we have a white long guy now and I like it because the same language is spoken by both of us and just there's a there's an understanding of everything that's going to happen and I don't know I just feel better about it also just in that same way I've told you before, like I can't go get a pedicure. Yeah.

Because I can't have like a Vietnamese lady kneeling at my feet cleaning them. It just like feels so... Slavey. It feels slavey. I'll just say it. I can't. I would never go get a shoe shine at the airport. Let alone I don't wear shoes that need shined but if

i did i would not have a uh i don't want any man kneeling down cleaning my shoes that seems really wrong but especially a black guy um and then the same you know it's just that same feeling if you're telling someone what to do with your lawn. Like, hey, I want you to, look, it's a thousand degrees out here. I could do it. I'm going to go sit in there and have a drink. It's real air conditioned. Get my computer out. Give you a little bit of money to do it.

But clearly you're, I mean, that's the way it should be here. you're, I mean, that's the way it should be here. Like, I don't want anyone, you know, I don't want another minority group working my lawn. And I thought, does that make it racist for me to even say this? And so I remembered, I was listening to KJ on a podcast quite some time ago where he was talking about the fact that he moved to wisconsin and one of the great things about it is as a black man he likes having a white guy cut his lawn and so i wanted i really brought you on to tell me that i'm not racist because you have the same like but or is this a thing where uh i can't say the same routine that chris rock says like just because chris rock says where I can't say the same routine that Chris Rock says? Just because Chris Rock says it, I can't say it. Can I not say this, but KJ, you can say this?

If you're going to allow me to have the power to grant this as approvable, I approve it. I do think you should be honest. It's not the se comprende, like the initial conversation that you're worried about. That is a part of it. That is a part of it. Nobody wants to go out to be the guy correcting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the conflict is the real fear. I mean, my wife is real particular

about like everything and she doesn't want these certain little trees that are growing up, but I want it weeded. But I can't really I could tell the other guy. I could tell the other guy I could tell the other guy look you know wives give him a little wink

just don't pull any of these trees I know it's ridiculous these trees are going to die soon anyway but I just got to appease her and yeah may I offer a rebuttal go forth because this reminds me of when, excuse me,

Peter Dinklage got mad at Snow White for casting dwarves. Yeah. Because Peter Dinklage then just took work away from dwarves. Yeah. So this is the conflict. Like, you want a Caucasian onwarder because it makes you feel better, but you're taking work away from people. And now you're giving your money to the whites.

Am I just keeping the money in white people land? Yeah. I mean, it's not as if you also have an affinity for, I don't know, World War II memorabilia or anything like that. There are no other boxes being checked. No, I don't. You live in a fairly diverse community.

He has no priors. There are no other signs that would lead one to believe anything problematic is going on. The community is very diverse. Yeah, this all checks out now. All right. Yeah. Why did we invite him on? It's all like a...

It was your idea. I appreciate it. Oh, it was my idea. All right. Yeah. Why did we invite him on? It's all like a... It was your idea. I appreciate it. Oh, it was my idea. Damn it. All right. We have one more weekend check to get to. You want to hang during it, KJ? Do you have anything to do?

I'll hop. I'll let you fellas do it. I'm just honored to be in the presence of Dominic. So, you know, I'll hang for another weekend. Check about that. You're honored to be in the presence of Dominic? What the hell? I'm here.

If you grew up in the era that I grew up playing football and college football, we're not that much difference in age, but someone who lived the dream of going on to play at Florida State, like, yeah, you respect that. So, again, here for it. All right. Well, you don't need to pump up Dominic's ego anymore. That's plenty big.

Do you think you're going to get an NCAA back check? He's trying to get into the draft room. Yeah, he wants to. He wants to shed a tear with Jake and hug and jump up and down. Exactly. This is the pre-glazing, so then I can ask Dominic about his negative thoughts about Madison, Wisconsin, because he did trash the city in the past.

I did. So, like, that's just setting it up. Why'd you trash Madison? I mean, the same reason everybody would. No, I think we were having a conversation about the Pac-12 going to the Big Ten. Yeah, correct. One of the times I was on, and I was like, I said something about, like, nobody wants to go to Madison, Wisconsin or something. Yeah, I don't think KJ did either.

Yeah. Life finds a way. Life finds a way. All right, Jake's weekend check. Okay, so my weekend check is Saturday night. I was without kid. I had the kids most of the day Saturday. One kid all day, one kid maybe 70% of the day.

And then I went and met up with our good friends Mike Soroy and Danny Bayless. Now, that's going to require an Uber. Not Danny so much as the first guy well yeah but for me like i'm not gonna drive to dallas you know and drive back or whatever so you bring a toothbrush i did not i came home okay i was home oh on time that's right uber yeah yeah i mean i had to pick the kids that's the difference between having kids yeah i had to pick the kids up at like 8 a.m kids that's the difference between having kids yeah i had to pick the kids up at like 8 a.m so i came home and got up and did my business but uh so i was leaving south lake um the rent house

which is pretty close to where dan lives now and i'm not even really paying attention i was looking at my phone i think i was texting danny and soroy and my uber driver oh I'll back it up a little bit when I walked out he was smoking a cigarette in front of my house which is always kind of like I mean I don't care but it's a play you know you're yes you're setting a different vibe yeah so I get in the car it smells like cigarettes whatever kj con did he go okay oh all right sorry my so um i just didn't know we're on 114 this is probably 10 minutes into the ride and he's like uh i and i can't really place the guy's race necessarily we hadn't really talked but i could tell that he didn't really speak English. It didn't seem like Spanish

to me, but much like the thing that I've told you my brother pointed out about gas stations, sometimes when you, or pretty much every time when you go into gas stations, they're just on the phone the whole time. We've all noticed this, right?

I don't know who you're talking to. The earpiece? Huh? The earpiece? Sometimes, sometimes no. Speakerphone, a lot of times. And so he was on speakerphone, and he was talking, and I don't know specifically what language he was speaking

or the country of origin of the person he was talking to, but in the middle of that conversation,'s like oh no and i'm gonna do that the whole time by the way so youtube get ready uh and he pulls over and i'm like what the hell and i look in the back and we've got we've got uh we've got a south lake cop car cop suv cop SUV. And the extremely hot cop, of course, who's like 26, like I told you, they all are now,

tattooed up. Oh, dude. He comes to my side and he asks for the guy to roll down the passenger side front window. Okay, yeah. You're on 114? Mm-hmm. And it's pretty clear this guy doesn't understand what's happening. So I rolled down my back window, and the guy's got his flashlight out, and it's not dark.

Like, it's like 8 o'clock, 8.15 at night. And he, you know, starts talking to the guy, and he's like, hey, open this door. Like, the front passenger door. And the guy's he's like hey open this door like the the front passenger door and the guy's like i don't know so i try to tell him i'm like dude i'll open the door for you so i open the front door and the guy like kind of almost gets into the front passenger seat and he's like i need your license and registration confused did not immediately comply so he gets his wallet out and he just hands him his wallet okay like i don't know whatever the whatever you need like i'll just hand this to you and he's like okay i also need your insurance so he takes out um an insurance card from the from the console and the guy's like all right i'll be back so he goes back to his car

and at this point another cop car pulls up now to me two cop cars means somebody's probably going to jail. That's not a one. They tell him that he had sped through a construction zone. They were like, you were going 63, and he's like, speed limit 60. And they were like, yeah, but it's 40 right there. And he's super confused by this. He's like, 60. Yeah. And they're like, well, it's 40 right there.

And he does not understand this at all. And so they get speed trappish for sure. They get him out of the car. And now I'm thinking, all right, two police officers. You're out of the car. This dude's going to jail. And you're what's your play? I was texting Danny. It's roy and i'm like i don't know what i do you're in an uber yeah so uh second cop comes up to my side backseat passenger side

and he's got the the flashlight on me so i just rolled down the window and i was like hey dude i'm just taking an uber and he was like hey can you get out for a second so i get out and they just kind of like rummage through the backseat of this car. They have him back at their car. And they're like, all right, you can get back in. They didn't check my ID. Doesn't seem like that's probably legal. I mean, I just did it just because.

No, but rummaging through the car and all that? Yeah. And your gummy's kicking in right about now. I was not impaired, honestly, at this point. I think I had had one beer before I left, but I was not. But I also didn't have anything. You don't want to overdo it if you're going to the road. I also didn't have anything on me.

So I was not super worried about getting out of the car. So I'm just like, all right, whatever. It is what it is. So I'm going to play you a little bit of audio. Which is surprising. You weren't more lippy. Because I did start. I told you, I'm a changed man. I did start rolling a little bit. So you can is surprising, you weren't more lippy. Because I did start, I told you, I'm a changed man.

I did start rolling a little bit, so you can hear kind of how this interaction went. Excuse me, is the this one Highlander RAV4? So right there he says like, Highlander RAV4. Okay. And

those are two different cars. So he... Wait, that's the cop? No, no, no. That's the guy, and he's driving one of those cars, but his insurance says the other of those cars. I think we were in a RAV4. Yeah, okay. But he has Highlander insurance.

Ah, it's the RAV4, not Highlander. I know what you're saying. This is just insurance purposes, though. I know this is covered under insurance, but that license plate doesn't return to this car, is what I'm trying to tell you. What? So let me get this back to you.

Can I open your door? Can I open this? Now they're getting him out, and obviously he has no idea that he doesn't have to do this and i thought about being like bro you definitely don't have to get out because they're saying can i do it yeah uh this way nope it's fine just leave it closed what i'm gonna do just stay in your vehicle a little longer sorry about the wait sir we'll get you out of here as soon as possible it's all good man okay oh he's apologizing to you, not to them. Yeah. We'll go to clip two here.

I believe this is when they came back, and I'm still very confused about what happened here because in my mind, this guy's got fake plates. Right? We've seen those stories. They're saying the plates don't match the car. The plates don't match the car or the insurance. Okay.

And we've heard a million stories like this in the last year or so that people, this is like a popular scam. Yeah. Back to the correct vehicle. So just give the NBA a call. Do you understand? He'll explain it all to you. So that's why we were talking to him about his license plate. If he doesn't understand.

You can hear me there go, he doesn't understand. It's like, they're looking at me like, this is the reason why we took him out of the car. They're like, do you understand? I'm like, he doesn't understand. Do you understand? So that's why we were talking to him about his license plate, if he doesn't have questions. Narrator. He just has to yield to traffic stops that are on the side of the road.

That was the reason. One more thing. Lean that license plate off. It's dirty. I have change. Okay. So now, now they're starting to say that the reason that they had an issue was that his license plate is physically dirty. So the first couple times that they were like, your plate's dirty,

I'm like, oh, okay, it's hot. Ah, okay, yeah. It's illegal. But it doesn't make any sense to me that they would have pulled this guy over. Like it's got mud. Just because it has mud on it. License plate off. Yes. Dirty.

Very dirty. I have 10. Okay. Thank you very much. Don't do it now. Later on, drop your passenger off and then clean it up, okay? Okay. Here you go, sir.

Thanks, guys. Have a good one. Appreciate you, brother. And now he's been on the phone with another person. He's still talking? Yeah, the whole time. Oh, they were? Yeah.

Okay, yeah. Play that back because what's he saying? What language? I don't know. I mean. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you, brother. Okay.

That's not Spanish, yeah. No, it's not Spanish. Now. So does this, they let him go? They wrote him a ticket. Oh, he got a speeding ticket? Yes. Oh, man.

But they didn't write him a ticket for any sort of like registration or plates violation. But they did write him a ticket. I wonder if they let him go if you're not in the car. That's honestly like. when I tweeted about this, a couple people were like, they just didn't want to mess with having to deal with you. Like, do they have to take you somewhere? Do you have to call an Uber from the side of 114? Dude, we are in. That's your white privilege.

They knew that it would inconvenience you, the white man. We are. Although you look a little, you could be some other stuff too i don't know i'm just saying if you just said you were you had something else in you everybody'd be like yeah yeah okay fair but we are like like there are cars whizzing past us like we are in a it's a it's not a suburban street we did not pull off onto somewhere else. So that might have been part of their thought too. But again, to me, two cops, they get the guy out of the car. They had him out of the car for probably 20 minutes.

I'm thinking, what happens next? Like they got him out. Yeah. So I tried to do a little post game with him. Oh. You know what happened? Yeah. What happened?

What? Was it a registration thing? No, it's the Lake Sun Police. There's no clean. No clean. It wasn't clean? Yeah. Like it was just dirty?

Yeah. Okay. That was it? Yeah. Okay. That was it? Yeah. Okay. That's pretty much it. No chance. That's what I'm saying.

No chance. That's what I'm saying. And then he dropped me off when I met up with Danny and Saroyan. He was just like, sorry. Did you give him a nice tip to help pay for that? I did. Oh, and one other funny part, because I wasn't rolling at this point. When they got me out, second cop, also hot, also tattooed.

I was like, man, I hope this doesn't impact my writer rating. Funny. And he was like, what does that hope this doesn't impact my writer rating. Funny. And he was like, what does that mean? Get a sense of humor. He didn't find that funny at all. So, yeah, that's what happened to me on Saturday night. It added a good 45 minutes to my drive. Yeah, then I had a good time with Roy and Danny, but they were like, where were you?

I'm like, man, you don't even, you don't want to know. Yeah, I feel so bad for that dude, the driver. To be honest with you, I thought, based on the way things were going, I thought he might have been like illegal. based on the way things were going, I thought he might have been illegal. I don't know what that looks like, but either a stolen car or something did not seem like it was on the up and up. And he spoke 5% of English. So he had no clue what they were

saying to him. So the next time an Uber driver Pulls up to your house With a cigarette Like half sawed off In front of your house Just know things might take a turn KJ how do you feel If this was you or I sitting in the backseat

How would that have gone Very similar Well I can tell you about the the one and only time i've been in a jail in dallas fort worth was uh pretty similar it was like hey these license plates don't go to this car and i'm like i bought the car yesterday i know what to tell you and they're like yeah well tell it's a highland park police officer i'm like okay so yeah would not go the same you didn't drink with sorority that night? No. No, you didn't. No, but you have told me that breakfast there, pretty solid.

They did, you know, Bubba's. If you're familiar with Bubba's right off the SMU campus, they pitch up with, they give you a phone. And they're like, call anybody. Take it back to your cell. Leave the door open. What's your order? It was top tier breakfast so shout out to uh i guess it'd be university so the pluses and minuses of driving through highland

park while black exactly that exactly you know free free stay and a cinnamon roll in the morning um the amount of resolve in the guy's voice when he was like yeah just my license plate was dirty Um, the amount of resolve in the guy's voice when he was just like, yeah, just my license plate was dirty. Was pretty sad. Yeah. That's it. What else yet? What else?

You know? Yeah. People get pulled over for that all the time. Yeah. I'm like, why did they get this guy out of the car if he just had mud on his license? No chance. It doesn't make any sense. So they could check the car. Yeah.

And like they did. And they did. And they pulled and they, they they opened up his glove compartment Where were you exactly? Because it doesn't sound like Southlake If you started heading towards Dallas You would be out of Southlake in about half a second Well, from where we are

I'm leaving from Kimball And it wasn't long I might have said 10 minutes, but it was less than 5 minutes Okay It was right there. It was right at Northwest Highway. Movie theater. Basically, yes.

Right there. Okay. And then, yeah. Wow. They pulled him over. I don't know. I don't know what would have happened if they would have arrested him. You would have been sitting there

and they would have called a cab or they would have driven you to, you know, off the highway. So now I have to get in a cop car? What if you showed up in a Southlake police car? See, they were looking for a reason to arrest him and they actually just couldn't find one. It felt like that.

Yeah. But they would have checked your pockets like before they put you in the back. He was being very cool. All they could find is a dirty license yeah they couldn't they couldn't find anything in the car they didn't they couldn't arrest what would they have arrested i was this close to bringing a vape and workers aren't present in there like a whole like this is the speed limit or i guess it's the fine will double if people are present. I don't even know where you're talking.

I'm trying to think of where there's not major construction over there. It's not even major construction. I think it's just like they put up the sign at night on the weekend because anything that they do, that's when they do it. Yeah. You know what I mean? But no one was out doing stuff. I never felt like anyone was at risk or anything like that. But, yeah, shout out to my dude.

All right. I guess he made it. Well, I'm sorry, Dan. We may have to add this to the community list. Maybe not as diverse as we were going to hope for earlier, but maybe just as oppressive as one might imagine. So you add this to the landscaper list, and a lot of knocks against Southlake right now.

Well, what are you going to do? This was a busy week for us as three of our four shows were videoed. So if you're into watching your favorite podcast sit there while a camera is pointed at them, check out our YouTube page. Okay, you're somewhat new to the dumb zone and you don't really understand our

infatuation with the phrase no puppet. Jake explained where it came from to Sarah Heppler on our Thursday episode. I do have one question. What's no puppets mean? Oh yeah, we forgot to do that. So it's kind of a long story, but back in 2016 in the aforementioned Hillary Trump debates, they started yelling at each other about who was on the take with Vladimir Putin. And she said something like, yeah, well, of course, Putin loves you because he would love nothing more than a puppet in the White House. And as he's saying that, Trump starts no puppet no puppet you're the puppet no puppet

and it's it's electric and then i just started saying it from all the time has no respect for this person well that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president no puppet United States. No puppet. And it's pretty clear. You're the puppet. And then I just started, like, TC and I used to call, like, Cowboys games live, kind of like what we do with our watch parties. And we eventually stopped doing this, but the first year we did it, we would get fucked up. Like, he would ingest whatever, I would drink whatever.

Yeah. And it was a night game, and so it's probably like 11 o'clock at night. And the Cowboys had like a really big, like, comeback, walk-off division win. And I was borderline, Sarah, blackout. But I had a headset on. I have trademarked that term, so I appreciate you. I was not on top of anyone. Well, no.

But I did have a headset on. and we've been drinking whiskey all night, and the Cowboys won, and I just started drunkenly yelling, no puppet. They're putting the chains down. No use for them. Rest of this game. Holy f***. Fade Des Bryant. Scrambling around.

Finding men. Cowboys win! Cowboys win! Cowboys win! You're the puppet! You're the puppet! You're the puppet! You puppet!

You puppet! You puppet! You puppet. You puppet. You puppet. You puppet. You puppet. You puppets. No puppet. No puppet. Spaulding. Spaulding.

Spaulding. Holy. Merry Christmas, Philadelphia. Merry Christmas, Eagles. Eagles. So that's the drop that we pulled. We pulled it. We pulled it.

We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. We pulled it. Holy Merry Christmas Philadelphia Merry Christmas Eagles So that's the drop that we play Is me just

The puppy So that's actually you saying that Yeah But he slows it down Super drunk And he slows it down To make it even worse Which is completely unnecessary

Because I'm already I've never done that No So it's not to make it even worse, which is completely unnecessary because I'm already... I've never done that. No. So it's not quite that bad, but it's bad. Oh, my God. No puppet, no puppet, no puppet. Yeah, there we go.

Gosh, this has so much more depth and meaning now. Yeah. No puppet, no puppet, no puppet. And it's the name of our company. It's the name of our company. We're no puppet. Because we are not puppets.

Yeah. To the man. Yeah. That's the story. That's a great story. Yeah. No puppet productions is cooler than the dumb zone, right? I think so. All right. Let's slide into some sports and travel back to Tuesday, June 25th as former ticket minion and current member of the Ben and Skin show. Kevin Turner joined us at our studio downtown. This was a video day and also a Patreon day, so if you're a Patreon subscriber, why wouldn't you be?

The private link for subbies is at the bottom of the run sheet of June 25th. Here is audio from the JJ Reddick introductory press conference and a monumental moment for the show. How about we start with JJ Reddick? Let's do it. Blake and I monumental moment for the show. How about we start with J.J. Redick? Let's do it. Blake and I cut the whole thing up. He took the first half. I took the second half. He sat up there for 50 minutes, which is probably normal. I'm distracted by the thing that we've mentioned 100 times,

which is that their GM is named Rob and also looks like Rob Lowe. Oh, does he? Rob Palenka? I never really noted what he looks like. Dude, look it up. I am going to. You don't think so, Blake? I absolutely think so.

He looks exactly like Rob Lowe. I guess now that you mention it. No? Okay, so I want to tell Dan this real quick. This guy might be brilliant. I don't know if you're familiar with his background. He used to an agent i am familiar okay he was kobe's agent um this is how he talks all the time he sounds like uh gavin from silicon valley oh yeah where he says things like in industry when we embark on this sea of sameness this is just how he talks all the time and it it's really annoying but i could see how you

could sell this to people yeah only that all not all but many great stories are written with well but they did it in such a different way and sure that wasn't the way it was done and now everybody's doing it like this yeah and i don't know if he gets hired without Bob Myers being very successful with Golden State Warriors. Because Bob Myers was an agent at, I believe, CAA. If not, then one of the bigger agencies. And that's around the time that they hired Palenka. Yeah, I guess I meant not the Palenka hire, but the JJ hire. But they're both kind of outside the box.

Yeah, the Palenka hire I questioned from the get-go. It seemed very odd. Yeah, especially since Magic was still there. I'm pretty sure. Oh, yeah, and then they were at odds, and that's why Magic loved that because he wanted to tweet about different things. Do you remember him saying that? All right, so let's go a little bit out of order

because he's explaining how younger players and the younger generation learn differently than they used to. Is this a GM of a basketball team or is this a guy at a conference trying to push the new tablet? JJ and I have had some really robust conversations around innovation and sort of gamifying

player development. If you think about a 20-year-old basketball player today and maybe a 20-year-old basketball player, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 years ago, the modiums of learning are completely different. I mean, we all probably, some of us have kids, we have nephews, nieces. Kids and athletes are learning in new and innovative ways so we've talked about how do we translate coach Reddick's offensive system to app based or a phone based deliverable where players can be buying into a philosophy and learning it in a way that meets today's young player.

And I think innovation's got to be at the core of that. We have a vision for, to your point, of hiring out his support staff in sort of this tech, you know, bullpen way of getting innovative minds to help bring his basketball strategy and bring his basketball philosophy to life in a way that our players can grasp it, learn it, and actually grow their basketball IQ. Modiums of learning. Yeah, gamify. And now you have to have app-based or phone-based deliverables.

These kids, you know. These kids and their phones. I mean, they already watch film on a tablet. That's not that new of an idea. I think the point that coaches have always said is there are, what is it, like there's three different ways of learning, you know, watching, doing, or I can't remember the other like i'm not a coach but the point is not everybody really learns the same way

that you meet people where they are like you know sometimes like me i have to write something down and then i like that makes it stick in my head more than if I just read it um yeah there are some people need to be screamed at to be motivated it's true some people that would just turn them on them the other way you need to be kind of baby them and you know that's the that's the stuff that I feel like JJ Redick has no idea what he's getting into. Like, yes, he might. You know, I mean, he's known as analytic strategy guy. How much really can you change things in the NBA?

You can't make LeBron younger. Yeah. But I mean, how much X's and O's... You do want to have strong X's and O's, but how much can that... I mean, look at Popovich, great coach. But if he doesn't have the right players, then they're

not going to be a good team. Yeah, and the expectations are super high, which probably some of this audio gets into. But as Dominic said yesterday, it's just wild that his first job is head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. And he opened his press conference talking about that. Like the Nets have no history.

Right. So when they hired Steve Nash, it's like, okay. That was a great experiment sure and you know hey let's just try and get two big superstars let them run everything get their friend as a coach like i was it was very interesting no matter what and they were actually pretty good well they actually had to fire Nash to get there, right? Yeah. But, you know, they did prove getting the two big superstars.

Now, you know, they were kind of headed perhaps to the NBA finals that year. They were toe on a line. Was Nash the coach for that? No. No. He had been fired before that, right? Yeah, I'm almost positive. Okay.

Like the end coach for Kyrie and Durant? Yeah, because that was the year that Kyrie was hurt, which I thought was Nash, but I mean, I could be wrong. Didn't the Nets do Jason Kidd right out of his career 10 plus years ago? Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I guess, and Jake's point is, you know, just some spare franchise doing it is one thing.

The Lakers. Yeah, Jacques, they fired Steve Nash seven games into that season. Into the season, they ended up being really good. Yeah, they had a pretty good game. And that's when Kyrie. Yeah, Jacques Vaughn went 43-32. Kyrie wanted a max, and they weren't willing to give him that midseason. And that's when Kyrie said he wanted out.

Yeah. So Palenka was asked, did the podcast help Reddick get hired? Even if it wasn't direct conversations with LeBron, how, if it did, did that podcast factor into the process of the interview and all of it? I think at the core of a really good NBA head coach, one of the core, core necessities, especially with today's player, is communication. And I think JJ is one of the best basketball communicators out there, period, hard stop.

Anyone that's paying attention to what he's done for sure and his interaction with players and coaches and executives um he's special at that let me translate yes yeah yeah yeah had a big thing a big deal to do with it just like broadcasting has a big deal to do with certain guys getting to the hall of Fame or just staying top of mind. I think it was huge. By the way, we did mess one thing up, and I knew that as we were talking about that, we did. Nash did coach them to the conference semis in the year that they lost to Milwaukee. But then if you recall, the next year they got swept.

Okay, so he was the coach for the toe game. Yes. Oh, the toe game, yeah. The toe game. Okay, I'm just making sure. I just meant when Kyrie left, Nash no longer. Okay, so he was the coach for the toe game. Yes. Oh, the toe game, yeah. The toe game. No, I'm just making sure. I just meant when Kyrie left. Yeah, yeah. No longer.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll jump in here real quick with one of mine, Blake, because he was asked about the podcast. And that's on sports. Am I up, Rob? Yeah. Okay. Audio box.

This bears. It's relevant to this discussion you were the one of the first players to have a podcast while he was active what's going to happen with mind the game you're going to be the first coach to have a podcast while he's active that's not the name of it well that's the one he does with lebron okay old man and the three which i contend is one of the greatest names for a podcast ever. That's great. That's the other one. This one, Mind the Game, is the one he does with LeBron. You're going to be the first coach to have a podcast while he's active.

Boy, the media loved that one, didn't they? No, I am, for the time being, and hopefully it's a very, very long time, I am excommunicated from the content space, so there would be no podcast. We'll do something when I have a breather from what we have coming up. I'm going to be drinking out of a fire hose for the next month, but at some point we'll just do something for all the people that listened and we'll have a small little video, but I'm, I'm done with podcasting for now.

He sounds sad. It sounds like he was told he was done with the podcast. Oh, there's no doubt that Jeannie or Palenka, one of them said, there's no way dude. It wouldn't be a bad idea. Like, well,

he could obviously, you know, it's just like if you work for the team and you're not really giving your true hot sports opinions on everything, but it would be interesting, like a media availability type thing. I thought we were being innovative. Yeah. Yeah, I thought we were gamifying. I mean, Draymond does it.

Yeah, I mean, if active players can do it. I did think about this, though. But I guess that's just to deflect criticism. Yeah. So, um, but, but I guess that's just to deflect criticism. Yeah. I thought about this like Allah, when Shane got fired from SNL, are there people going back through the old man and the three and seeing if like Reddick was ever super critical of any of the players on his own roster? Yeah.

Like Anthony Davis just can't win a title. You can't win with this guy. Uh, I guess I haven't listened to much of it. I've only listened like when he had Luka or KP on or something. Yeah, I mean, I listen sporadically. It doesn't seem like he's a ripped player's guy. No, he's not, but he does offer opinions. Yeah.

We all have them. We all have opinions. Yeah. So I just wonder if anybody's going to go back through and see if he ever said, you just can't win with Rui Hachimura playing big minutes. Well, the answer is of course. Yeah. Right?

And that's problematic for him potentially. So I pulled this clip because he says that being a broadcaster and a podcaster has helped put him in this moment, which is true. podcaster has helped put him in this moment which is true um but after after this answer i want to give you just a thought because it's not the it's not the traditional path right his his growth to being where he is honestly the last three years have been invaluable in preparing me for this moment being able to connect to players talking them on the podcast being in in uh coaching interviews with espn calling games analyzing the game in three different formats. All of that has helped prepare me to be an NBA head coach. It's a little ridiculous, right?

Three different formats? Wait. I immediately thought. You did it on YouTube and on an audio podcast? YouTube, big deal. I think he was meaning at the game, post-game with ESPN, and then in podcast for him. That's what I took it as.

All right. But still. Okay, what about the spolsters of the world that started cutting up film at wee hours of the night, getting on a plane, traveling, sitting on the end of a bench, and then moving up a seat, and then moving up a seat? That's the grind. Not this guy.

The traditional assistant coaches and head coaches have to laugh at that. Yeah, he sits down with a glass of wine with the most famous athlete on the planet and records for an hour. Right. Yeah, and he's booked a lot of guys and just talked about basketball and life. But it obviously helped. Oh, it helped him get this job. Will it help him succeed in this job is the question.

He talks a good game. Oh, yeah. No, you can see why he got hired. Yeah. And why a lot of guys get hired is because they interview so well. Would people be more on board if he wasn't on TV every day for the last year? No. And just doing podcasts? No. Is what you're arguing with Stephen't on TV every day for the last year? No. And just doing podcasts?

No. Is what you're arguing with Stephen A. Smith every day? Upped his factor, right? And I think the other part of it, too, and Dan alluded to this earlier, in his TV appearances, he became the guy who defended the player. Like Stephen A. would be ripping somebody and JJ would say you know you don't understand this you haven't been never played yeah yeah and he went with the plumber thing of you know have a check played against yeah he defends today's player yeah so yeah today's

player might realize that as well yeah for sure so my last clip he does talk a big game uh until he has to talk about the end of the bench guys who he's got to learn the names of. How are you going to sort of thread the needle of the late stage of potentially LeBron's career with the transition into whatever's next? You know, I think the first thing is with any player, Anthony Davis, LeBron James, Austin Reeves, any player on the roster. That's about how far I get. That would be my exact answer.

I mean, we're going to win through Anthony Davis and LeBron. Sometimes. He's in his head. He's like, who else? Got to see see who else we got but I'm confident that we could win a championship calling either games in the playoff so it's been a minute since I looked at their roster would you have done a you know the way you memorize the WNBA coaches the night the night before the you have to like to show up and recite it. Any player on the roster.

Any, you know, like Steve. Is there a guy named Steve on the roster? Okay, I did think this was kind of cool. And I've heard him talk about this before. He had a really specific workout that he did over and over and over and over because he didn't have a ton of skills outside of shooting. He would create a 10-spot-on-the-floor map and take 200 shots from each one of those spots every day. Whereas Luke is out there field goal kicking a basketball

from half court for his preparation preparation and it works for him but you see guys they always say looking he looked for his spot yeah no and jj was a spot guy kairi does that maybe i think i think for sure every spot is lucas spot yeah but i thought hearing him talk about this was kind of cool jj what are you most curious to learn about just the process and art of coaching, like as you go through this this year? My first challenge. No, I – That one didn't really hit. I have, you know, going back the last year, I've always been a visual person.

As a player, I relied on visualization. In a workout in high school, I had a free period, and on game days I would walk through the gym and I would look at certain spots on the floor and I would visualize coming off screens and where the defense would be and the angle which I shot the ball, the arc on the ball, and I've sort of visualized every scenario. I think that's cool.

Just to imagine 16-year-old J.J. Redick walking through at lunchtime and he's like, okay, I'm going to stand at every spot because we play tonight and I'm just going to think through this. Yeah, it doesn't always translate because I used to visualize. Striking people out? Yeah, home run or taking a curveball to the right field and then I would just flail away at it. Yeah, this is like your Ted Williams thing, though,

where he was just a naturally gifted hitter that couldn't explain how he did it. Yeah, it's interesting, too, when he asks him, like play the very beginning of that, unless you just paused. JJ, what are you most curious to learn about just the process and art of coaching? See, that, to me, is something you would think if you were hiring a head coach at the highest level, they would have already figured that. It was my criticism for nico harrison

the uh you don't want to hire someone that has to screw up a few times and then learn like this is a high stakes here oh i'm sorry i made this uh 40 million dollar mistake uh well let's i i'll learn from that like you kind of want to yeah sometimes – Maybe you want to be on the bench with a different mindset than a player. And I know people said he was like a coach, all that kind of stuff that they say about white players. But, you know, does he – having been an assistant, having been whatever, just, you know, in the group of I'm working on a play, you know, an out-of-bounds play, whatever it is,

you don't want it to be costing them games right now. And it will. Yeah, it might. The situation does matter because Nico is stepping in after the Mavs had just extended KP for no reason. And J.J. Redick is then taking over for Darvin Hamm, who LeBron hated. A horrendous coach. Yeah, that's true. So learning on the fly, given the situation that he came into,

may not be bad. Yeah, and it's funny too because sometimes, and I'm just spitballing here, I can't think of any schools that might have done this. You hire a guy who's actually a championship-level coach for your football team, and then you have to pay them $75 million to leave, even though they were already...

So this hat is really going to affect you all day. That's all he's thinking about. I'm wearing my Aggie hat. Okay, so this one is funny to me because... You see this with Luka. You don't see it as much as far as Slovenian reporters, but they will send Spanish reporters. You know?

Because he played in Madrid. So Rui Hachimura is of Japanese descent. So they have to send this person. Hi, Coach. I work for Kyoto News, Japanese news warrior. So I want to ask two questions

about Rui Hachimura. This is JJ Reddick's intro press conference. Literally no one is thinking about Rui at this thing. But you're right. But they have a Japanese player. So, yes, we're going to write a story about him and then what the new coach said about him. Also, do you think if you're... Sorry.

If you're not English... Could this end up like Ron Washington? If you're not English first language, do you go with the two-part question? Or do you think that possibly we're going to... She's got a lot of confidence. First one is, obviously, Roster is not set yet.

However, how do you want to use his strengths on the court? And second one, he hasn't made it official yet, but in my opinion, he's probably playing for the Japanese national team in the Paris Olympics. If he does, would this affect your plans for Rui? I'll start and then hand it off to Coach Rui. The guy that actually knows the roster has to answer first. This is his first challenge as head coach.

Let's not let Rob get in and take it over. I mean, I respect it because I can't speak another language effectively at all. Yeah, no, she did a pretty good job at that. She did. It's just funny to me that these outlets feel like they have to send a reporter. Boy, the budget they must have. I guess. Like, his talk's flying on his own dime.

You know, it's not like he's over here because they sent him. And then this is the one, this is our ender, this is the one that went pretty viral. And I guess this is just going to be a thing now. We talked about this with Anthony Edwards and Carl Anthony Towns, where we're just going to curse at press conferences. Hey JJ,

clearly with the Guardian, first of all, sorry, right in front of you. Who? I don't know. I really don't know. We got a little pilly there. A little Layla? Yeah. Hey JJ, clearly with the Guardian, first of all. I don't know. I really don't know. We got a little pilly there. A little Layla? Yeah. Hey, JJ. Claire, do you know what the Guardian person is? I don't know.

I don't know. No idea. No idea. Yeah, I want to look her up. So the Guardian. Yeah, but she's not British. It's Claire. So I thought that was kind of weird.

It's Claire something. Federal interest. Yeah. Hey, JJ. Claire doesn't know what the Guardian is. Sorry, right in front of you. First of all, happy birthday. Claire Rousset, Claire Keegan, Claire Patak, Claire Hooper.

But you're also going to love. Doesn't sound like any of those. No, it doesn't. Not even close. It doesn't even sound like there's a last name attached. No, but, oh, I thought she was attaching her last name. Like, no one, yeah, no one's saying

But also, I paused it during a portion you're going to love. You may recall from yesterday's Today in History, happy birthday, J.J. Reddick. Hey, J.J. Claire DeLune with The Guardian. First of all, sorry, right in front of you. First of all, happy birthday. Gotta do a happy birthday, huh?

Who'd you say? Claire DeLune. DeLune? Claire DeLune. A lot of confusion in here. That's when an eight-year-old doesn't want to tell you their last name. Yeah.

D-E-L-U-N-E is a musician, podcast host, and avid NBA lover, according to her bio for The Guardian. You get credentialed for that? You get credits? I couldn't even get credentialed for the Tyson thing. Hey, JJ. Claire Dillon with The Guardian.

First of all, sorry, right in front of you. First of all, happy birthday. Second of all, what misconceptions or concerns about you that you've heard in the last few weeks are you the most looking forward to dispelling? Is that a... When you're the coach. I want to hear it all again. What are you excited about Dallas for being here?

It's very much the Rajon Rondo press conference. Yes. Hey, JJ. Claire, the Guardian. First of all, sorry, right in front of you. First of all, happy birthday. Second of all, what misconceptions or...

Does that require a first of all? Like the Japanese lady did a better job of posing a two-track topic. I thought it was interesting, because I listened to a bunch of this too, just how many people congratulated him on getting the job. Oh, yeah. That's pretty common now, but I agree with you. It's interesting because I listened to a bunch of this too, just how many people congratulated him on getting the job. Oh, yeah.

That's pretty common now, but I agree with you. It's gross. Yeah. If you were just in a press conference with the newly elected president, do you do that? My God. Okay, I think that's a great question. Yeah, that's a pretty good question.

She's all hot. She nailed it. Second of all, what misconceptions or concerns about you that you've heard in the last few weeks are you the most like looking forward to dispelling when you're the coach um it's a valid question and i've certainly heard everything um, it's, it's been a really interesting, uh, six weeks or so. Um, just in terms of, uh, you know, being part of the engagement farming, uh, industry, you know, it's been really interesting. Um, however, I, I, I don't really have a great answer for your, uh, question your question because I really don't give a fuck.

Like, honestly, I want to coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team. I don't want to dispel anything. I don't. I want to become a great coach. Did someone just yell, I love that? They sure did. Like someone in the media, I love that.

Do you think it's all media, or did they let some season ticket holders in there? Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, I mean, that's how Fly Lady ends up in Rick Carlisle's press conference. And I know there were some players there, too. I thought they didn't play a great game. But, yeah, you can just hear the media. You know, being part of the engagement farming industry, you know, it's been really interesting.

industry. It's been really interesting. However, I don't really have a great answer for your question because I really don't give a fuck. Honestly. I want to coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team. I don't want to dispel anything. I don't.

I want to become a great coach in the NBA. And I want to win championships. And I want my players to maximize their careers. That's all I fucking care about. want to become a great coach in the nba and i want to win championships and i want my players to maximize their careers that's all i fucking care about a little little cherry on the top yeah let's toss another one on there just in case you didn't get me yeah we're doing we're nba coaches are now saying the f word in press conference yeah in in opening press conferences yeah this isn't i'm mad after a tough loss.

Referees or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Setting precedent moving forward. Don't carry my press conferences live. Yeah. And plenty of people were. Yeah.

It's funny how he says I don't, like, but he did open this press conference with, like, hey, I'm, this is my first job ever. Have you heard that? Like, obviously responding to, you know, not quite Jason Kidd level, but responding to what's been said online. The conversation, the discourse. He responded to coaching his fourth grade team or whatever. Yeah.

That was a part of an answer. Like, he's so online. Yeah, I mean, that's been his job i mean jason kidd is fed what's online i think jj reddick sees it all himself yeah which is different it is different because he sees everything like you i'm i'm mr online for sure and And Micah. I mean, this is something we're going to have to get used to. He had, like, I don't fault him for taking the job. Like, the meteoric rise of J.J. Redick is incredible. That he was a, you know, I don't know.

I never thought of him as, like, how good of a player was he at his peak? I just thought he was just some guy, could shoot, but he's a guy. He wasn't a starter until Doc made him one, you know, but he was on some pretty good teams, and he was a starter on pretty good teams, and he was an elite shooter. Really probably what helped him as far as public profile was he played at Duke, and everybody hates one white player on Duke every year. Yeah.

And he was that guy for a while. And that Clippers team. I mean, that was a pretty. Yeah, yeah. They were electric. It was Lob City, you know. I don't really think of him that much on that team. No, but if he played in Detroit.

And he was also on some really, really good Magic teams. Like, that team should have won a championship with Dwight Howard. And really, he doesn't stand out in my head, though, that he was a part of that. Maybe he does to you. Yeah, I don't know. He's certainly never been, like, a headline player.

And also, I don't know if this is risky because I don't know if we have the production ready. And it's probably already on the list. But also, Deadspin had a story back when he was in college that he had an abortion contract with his girlfriend. A contract? Explain that. Reddick has agreed that onceopez has terminated said pregnancy and has provided medical proof of said termination satisfactory to reddick included but not

limited to direct access to her medical files and records of the clinic uh that like basically he wanted her to get an abortion but he made her sign a contract that said you got to get an abortion like you can't just tell me hey i'll do it like there was a contract presented like yeah and i believe pre-sex no wait post what do we have here in the annals of time celebrities have done some pretty fucked up shit. Jake has taken it upon himself to catalog those dalliances and short-sighted events deep inside the recesses of his tiny ferret brain to never be forgotten

and be accessible at the snap of a finger. You have now witnessed Camp Spin number 500. Wow. What a finger, you have now witnessed camp spin number 500. Wow. What a moment, Kevin. KT, you got to be here for this. Hold on. Here comes the cake.

All right, all right, all right. Wow. Yeah. Let us never forget the abortion contract. Yeah. I really hope that one wasn't already the abortion contract. Yeah. I really hope that one wasn't already on the list. Nope. Hock to it.

Hock to it. Yeah, so I think the case was basically that she got pregnant. Wow. So excited. Wow. J.J. Reddick. What a moment. She got pregnant, and then he wanted her to have an abortion,

and they had to pretend like they were still together per this contract. This is back in maybe 2007, 2008. It was a big deadspin story whenever he started popping off a little bit in the NBA. It was bizarre. It was a very weird story, but I'm really happy we got to all experience this together. That's a really good Kim spin for number 500. Yeah, it's in the news. That's top notch.

And no one brings this up at all anymore. Top notch. And I think he might have denied some of it, but there are court documents indicating that this contract did exist. We have the signature. Yeah. Man. Wow. If only you were at that press conference.

Yeah. What if the Japanese lady would have... How would that have sounded, Kevin? Oh, we can do it on the internet, right? He will fail. I mean, this is going to fail. I think he's going to do it. Kevin was thinking about it.

No, he was getting into character. I think we should hear what he has to say. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I think I still have a job. I'm good. Now, he was getting into character. I think we should hear what he has to say. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I think I still have a job. I'm good. Now, if I had been fired. Yeah. What would that have sounded like?

Well. He's probably going to fail because he's going to have to play brawny 18 minutes a night. It's the whole LeBron. I mean, probably anybody who takes that job is going to fail. However, I will say this. If your goal is winning a championship. I will say this. They have the ability to be reborn like the phoenix rising from the ashes better than just about any team in the NBA.

Why? Because they're the Lakers. Well, that doesn't make – I don't know, though. I used to say that, and you and I would argue with Bob about this, and then he ended up being right just because, oh, okay, this guy's available. They just want to go play for the Lakers. Yeah, but they're in such a cap hell. God willing, it's not Luka.

You can figure that out. No one wants to go into the second apron anymore. Right. Or that's a new bit. Yeah. And the second apron, because i heard windhorse talking about this are you very familiar with the whole familiar enough but i'm just saying it's kind of a hard point lebron is going to be gone and so will his 50 million dollars a year and already

though they barely have any draft picks yeah it's kind of the same bit with uh the maps yeah like they're they are what they are now, and when they're not, there's going to be a pretty tough period. And I think they're kind of just trying to cling to anything. They're debatably not a playoff team in the West. They're a bubble team for sure. And LeBron will be 40 and he's great. He's the best 40 year old ever.

He certainly beats Jordan in that, right? Is there any argument about that? He's better than Jordan at age 40. He's better than cream was at age 40. He's better. Whoever was a, his longevity is unparalleled.

There's no doubt about it. But Anthony Davis is 30. It's not like he's young either. That's an old 30. That is an old 30. Boy, that surprises me. He feels 35. But he had to take the job because when it fails,

he will not only be able to come back, obviously you can then podcast and get right back to ESPN or whatever network. And you'll be one of the top analysts because that's what, how it is. But even when he will get maybe even another shot, even if this fails, because it might be the old, well,

that was his first time, and he made a lot of mistakes, and he learned from them. Look at Jason Kidd. That's what people are saying now. He doesn't act like he used to act in Milwaukee or with the Nets, you know? Sure. So. I don't fault him.

But it's going to be fun to watch. I think it will be fun to watch. Is his name on the court? On the Mavs court? Oh, it's got to be. I can't remember if that bit was before or after his brief tenure. But that'd be fun. It's the practice court, right?

It's not the real court. No, it's the real court. And it's insane. Are all the names on the real court? Yes. It's the practice court, right? It's not the real court. No, it's the real court, and it's insane. Are all the names on the real court? Yes. It's crazy. Out of bounds, you know. But yes, they're all there, including Tony Romo.

Is Tony Romo's name on the real court? Yes. Is it really? Yes. Oh, my God. Is that 501 Kemp spins, or we already got that probably? That one doesn't count. That's not even a Kemp spin.

No. That's just a fun fact. All right. You have now witnessed Kemp spin number 500. Is it closed too? That's fantastic. What a day. That is fantastic. Kemp spin number 500.

It's pretty funny because when I began keeping track of these KempSpins, when I first started with Dan and Jake, I had no idea why I was keeping them or what we'd even do with it. But here we are. A special announcement for those of you listening to this. You'll be the first ones to try out our new website. Head to KempSpin.com where we have built for you the KempSpin database. All 504 at the time of this show,

all 504 of them are on there where you can search by name, search by details, or take a random spin and land on a celebrity that has done something to earn a neural pathway in Jake's brain. Don't know why we have it, but we do. So hope you enjoy it. And let me clarify for some of you sticklers out there. Some of them aren't overtly bad. Not every Kemp spin is a career blemish, but when

you've been tracking these Kemp spins as long as I have, you'll detect a familiar cadence in the way that Jake brings up these fun facts about somebody. So if you don't agree, then keep your own list, make your own damn website. All right, moving on. We did our Thursday show at the Dallas Athletic Club, and Sarah Heppola stopped by to talk about her involvement in the Cowboys Cheerleaders documentary on Netflix. Before you skip forward, like I know some of you are about to do, this was actually a pretty insightful conversation between Sarah and Dan and Jake.

I, for one, am not into this documentary and won't watch it, but I did enjoy their discussion about cheerleaders in general. Give it a chance. Plus, you're going to need some of this to understand the next segment, so just relax and listen. Alright? I know you from your World Famous Podcast as

well, which I don't know the name of it, but it's not the current podcast, but the Dallas Cowboy podcast that you're on, that you put together. Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader. Oh, the world famous podcast. That one's called America's Girls. Okay.

For Texas Monthly. And then I do a podcast with one Nancy Rommelman called Smoke Gum, if you got them. And I also know you from the current, is it a Netflix series, Jake, or is it HBO? Netflix. The current documentary on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, at least episode one. Yeah. You are in there talking about stuff, Charlotte not paying cheerleaders and stuff like that. I'm talking about stuff.

That is, by the way, guys, when I checked this morning, that was the number one television show on Netflix. Yeah. Same here. I don't know if it's just the algorithm or what, when I checked this morning, that was the number one television show on Netflix. Yeah, same here. I don't know if it's just the algorithm or what, but it's killing it. So my first question was, do they get the idea to do this because of your podcast? And are you paid any sort of consulting fee? Okay, so these are two separate questions. I mean, one is, you know, they've been doing a reality show called making the team for 16 years and it was on cmt and like it was it was like well known

to the very small audience that watched cmt i don't know the last time you guys yeah chilled out with some cmt yeah we i'm sure back on the old show bob and dan would play some audio from it but we were were not locked in on it. But then it shut down in 2022 right after. Do you remember the scandal where Rich Dalrymple... Do I remember? It's how we met.

It's my whole bit. You've been your whole career, right? I gotta check my notes, because I feel like I was thinking this during watching this current documentary. I've only watched the first three episodes. Same. Okay, I do have a note that

I wrote. After watching them in the uniform fitting, I don't support what Rich Dalrymple did, but I understand it. Okay, I disavow this podcast. Took this long. I mean, you know, that's a story for another time when I'm not on the podcast, please.

Yeah. But, you know, after that, a month after that broke, because Don Van Natta wrote about it, and it had happened in 2015, but they'd kept it quiet. And then Don Van Natta wrote about it. And then Dalrym, but they'd kept it quiet. And then Don Van Natta wrote about it. And then Dalrymple had just been like, okay, bye guys. And like everybody was quiet.

Anyway, after that, the, the Cowboys shut down making the team. Probably a wise decision at the time. At the time I'm thinking, okay, reality has gotten too real.

You just don't want cameras around, which who does? Yeah. And I just figured they were gonna fold it but what I didn't realize was that Charlotte Jones had gone to Greg Whiteley who is the creator of cheer which I have been on your podcast talking about before because I wrote a cover story for Texas Monthly about uh Monica Aldama the the main coach the coach uh from Corsicana's Navarro Junior College.

Quick sidebar, if you're going to bring up Rich and Charlotte, you have to include the second leg of that story where he was taking pictures up her skirt in the draft room. Oh, my God. I forgot about it. Yeah. I didn't. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Yeah. It was allegedly, I guess. Allegedly. It's all alleged, right? Well, Don wrote it, but... Well, look. The cheerleader stuff alleged, too.

The cheerleader stuff, they settled on it. Oh, yeah. The four cheerleaders that were in the dressing room got $2.4 million split between the four of them. Okay, and they all complain they don't make a lot of money. Okay, that is inappropriate. Oh. It's Dan. No, i wouldn't expect anything different but uh i'm on the bonds list so they they had already been in this reality tv show game and i think i suspect charlotte jones saw cheer and what it was doing you know how it became

like uh like a smash and she was like I want them to do that for us. So I think looking back now, they took that moment as a kind of like, you know what, let's sever this deal, this 16-year deal with CMT, and let's create a partnership with this guy, Greg Whiteley, who does these really high, like the gloss. It looks a lot better than the CMT show.

It looks so much better. Yeah. I mean, it's more intimate in the sense of like, you get to know the women a little bit more. It's a little bit classier. And I'll bet Netflix money is a little bit greener. I would imagine,

although I wonder, you know, the thing about working with the Cowboys, you know, they're famously cheap. So it's like, they're giving him access. I'm saying Netflix is paying them, though.

I don't know. I feel like Netflix... They've got to be paying way more than CMT could do. Oh, yes. Okay, to be clear, yes. That's what I meant. More than CMT. Yes, yes, yes.

And my only thing was I just kind of wonder what the deal is because are the Cowboys profiting or is Greg profiting? I don't know the answers to these things. But I do know that if you're going to get in bed with the Cowboys in work, then you're not going to get a lot of money from them. They just don't give it up. I mean, I guess they can force your hand because you're just using the Cowboy brand, which is worth so much in its own right, that you don't really have the ability to negotiate, unless you're Ezekiel Elliott.

Right. Somehow you can get away with it. Yeah. But, you know, when you want to do a project on the cheerleaders, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people haven't done it, is because they make it really difficult with trademarking, and they're famously litigious. Yep.

That's why they take the uniform back. I thinking about that we were oh yeah promoting that of like hey they fit it for you it's a big part of your life you can't take the iconic uniform it's because they don't want you showing up at wherever so so by the way i was gonna say like uh no you can't search and find uh porn with Hooters girl, I've heard. So those are knockoffs I've seen? Wow. Anyways. So back in the 70s.

You can print anything on Etsy. Porn shorts. Back in the 70s, there were actual incidents. I mean, the most famous one being Debbie Does Dallas. The porn Debbie Does Dallas involves a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader costume. My hands are clean on that one. They used it... Probably...

I wonder what Antonio Brown would say about that. Too much. They used... The marketing for that movie was that they pretended like she was an ex-Cowboys cheerleader. But she was probably just using the uniform of another former cheerleader. Bambi Woods is her name.

R.I.P. Indeed. Yeah. And the other thing that happened was that there was a couple incidences where cheerleaders would show up at strip clubs in the uniform and make a ton of money. Yeah.

And one of them got written up in the Dallas Morning News. And then I think they took legal action. But the most famous one was in Playboy when the former cheerleaders went topless. With the uniform? Well, they did an imitation of the uniform. But all of this made it so that they really, like they signed you in,

they signed you out, you couldn't hold on to it. They were not going to take any chances. Interesting. There's another Playboy spread. I remember, let me see if I can remember

the tagline that Playboy used. It was a girl that had tried out and she kept the audition outfit and then they had her in the centerfold and it said, the Cowboys miss is our miss january i like it

yeah it's pretty good it's not bad you know what's funny dan is uh that's the second story we've heard about people who work in like the promotional and marketing arm of the cowboys losing their job because they took the cowboy stuff to a strip club r.i.p rowdy who uh no way well he parked the van there There's a Rowdy van and he was like, Jerry referenced this in a jocular comedic vein recently.

They fired their old Rowdy because he took the Rowdy van and it was photographed outside of a place of ill repute. Oh my goodness. Yeah. He is Rowdy. They call him Rowdy.

That's true. Why did they name him that that's true um so yeah i'm in that and it's the number one netflix show on the tv streamer but we've heard from people that have appeared in documentaries our banker for one that you don't really make much from that if anything oh no you're not supposed to be paid for an interview. That's journalistically unethical as a general rule. But I was a story consultant on this show. Ah, the workaround. So I helped them track down vintage clips.

So, you know, there's a lot of... Oh, nice. Yeah, so when you see all those montages... So how long have you been involved with it then? Like, when did they start this whole thing? I think they started it a year ago, and I got involved about six months ago. I was surprised that you weren't one of the judges for the initial tryouts because they had like a traffic guy from a –

Okay. We got to talk about that. Okay. The traffic guy. Did you see that? We talked the other day. Hold on. It's not the traffic guy.

It's not the traffic guy. The weather guy? It's Scott Padgett, the CBS 11 weather guy. Okay. And when we talked the other day, that's in like the last five minutes of episode one, I had not seen that part. Okay. And I have been just stewing on this since I saw it.

I texted her and I was like, I just want to make sure you're not friends with this Scott fucking Padgett character, who probably is a member here, so I'm sorry to warn. But why in God's name did they have the guy who stands in front of the screen and tells you when it's going to rain sitting there being like, I didn't like her kicks. I thought she was good in the routine but not great on the field. What do you know? I don't get it. If somebody's going to tell me that Scott...

That's what I thought. If anybody should be, Sarah should be a judge. If somebody's going to tell me that Scott Padgett actually was a college cheerleader... A yell leader. Or anything, then fine. I will walk all this back. But this is the first time you hear him, and I threw my remote. Sorry, Blake.

Number 36, Charlie. So now they're putting images up there. It looks like a draft war room. It's a bunch of people sitting around a table. They're talking about prospects. The difference being all the people in a draft war room know about football. Yeah. Here they have Scott Padgett.

Except for the yodeling kid. That's true. And Jerry. Point made. In the field, I'm like, wow, looks amazing. That's him. And then he started kicking. Well, I don't think we should lower our bar for anybody.

Yeah, but so does the question become. Okay, now you want to know who the second guy is here? Whenever they put up his little tag of what he does, it's his name and it says, Lou Casey Boots Representative. Right. So it's just somebody they have a marketing sponsorship agreement. He's like an 80-year-old dude. One guy was like a choreographer and you're like, oh, okay.

Yeah, for sure. I think these are sponsorship partners and as part of the deal, they work in that somebody at the place gets to be a judge. Yeah, and they have a deal with CBS 11, obviously. But if I'm Scott Padgett, I just say no. Like, what

am I doing here? I don't know. You might say yeah. doing here would you really I don't know you might say yeah I can tell you what I wouldn't do despite the fact that we talk about a lot of stuff we know nothing about I would not feel comfortable judging these people who are professionals at what they do in the company of other professionals and being like didn't like her kicks

yeah I would probably just sit there adhere to what those around me were voting. Yeah. But we need to take notes, though, because as we open up sponsorships, maybe if you don't like our social media or whatever, maybe you want to sit in on planning on the show. That's the truth.

It's not a bad idea. But that's why I was saying during that, I thought the voting should be private or a silent ballot or whatever you call it. Yeah, because you're influenced by when the head lady holds her hand up yeah she holds her hand up I'm gonna vote I'm gonna vote her way because I don't know

anything yeah that happened and that happens in sports all the time right yes scouts yeah here's what I think about him and they all yes harumph harumph we all we all

agree here's my last Scott Padgett clip it's quick 49 Victoria she wasn't dancing like a veteran so I was expecting that level of energy and it was just I'm here I'm kind of doing what I need to do like a veteran make the squad so she was just being out danced to me she was being out

dance Victoria when is it raining yeah where's the heat though throw up the seven-day Scott come on is there a warning or a watch? Can I... These are the things I need to hear from you. Ask Scott Padgett. A question, which is that have we confirmed Scott Padgett has no dance background? See, that's what I was saying. That's what he said.

He'll back off. If he was a college cheerleader or if he has serious dance chops that I don't know about, we'll delete all this. But also- Did he TikTok? You know who I bet also doesn't?

Is the 80-year-old guy who's a representative of Lucchese Boots. Okay. He has no dance background. Yeah. But can I say that in a way, it makes sense for you to have normal shows? Well, there's Scott Padgett flossing sort of at the state fair. Scott, you're not dancing like a veteran either, bud.

No, you look like you're just out there. You're not committed to the moves. Maybe both he and the boot guy have many years of ogling cheerleaders in their background. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that you don't just want somebody there for technical ability. You want male eyes because they're going to be the primary audience in the stadium at the very least. And so you want that perspective. I understand that, and that's fair.

In that case, what I want to hear from Scott Padgett is something like, 39, great ass. Okay, can I just tell you? Can I just tell you that? Great ass. Yes, go full Pacino. Like, if that's what he's there for, then I don't want to hear him talking about leg gigs. In defense of Scott Padgett and the corner that he was in with this show. Who knew you'd have to defend him today?

In the name of today's show. I will die on this hill, and it'll be the end of me. Before Sarah goes on to defend Scott scott paget let's fast forward to our friday show in the den where jake has to walk back his stance on poor scott paget i have one viewer mail submission that is via text from the great chris mycoskie who says jake has to walk it all back scott paget has has volunteered with the Miss America organization since 2006 as a local board member, MC, and a local and state judge. Scott was also a featured soloist with the Miami Gay Men's Choir,

college cheerleader, and has competed in Pro-Am ballroom dancing. Well, look at that. I said, hey, somebody tell us. I searched far and wide. Yeah, we were like, why isn't Delkus? Why not Dan Henry? But Delkus and Dan Henry weren't ballroom dancers in the gay men's choir. No, they were not in the Miami gay men's choir.

Man, I've... I don't know. I mean, I'll trust Chris. I found a couple deals where he would go do a bit like we were talking about with Sarah and a Cowboys cheerleader where he's like... This one says like from when he was in a different city.

Our very own Scott Padgett is trying his hand at competitive ballroom dancing. Okay, that doesn't indicate that he... I don't know. You're right. This could be deceptive because it says he's competed in a pro-am. Maybe he was the am. Yeah. Still, though.

But he was a college cheerleader. Eh. No, it's a lot more than I thought. It's a lot more than I thought, for sure. Are you ready to publicly apologize to Scott Padgett? I think you need to. We'll get to that on Monday. Oh, we're going to research it first.

He wants to do his own research. That's right. All right. I just want to start this by issuing the most earnest of apologies to CBS 11 meteorologist Scott Padgett. That didn't take long. Well, I found a pretty legit. Basically, I found what Mycoskie found. No, puppet!

Yeah. So we didn't wait till Monday. No, this is too legit. I mean, I found a couple of other things. And also, like, we saw him doing the, we saw him flossing. Didn't look like a dancer to me at all. No. Frankly.

It says he has been in a pro-am ballroom dancing situation. But I found, you know, that they, one of his previous jobs, previous news outlets, sent him to compete and learn like Dan with the Maniacs. That doesn't really sell me. I'm not really sure what his participation in the Miami Gay Men's Choir has to do with dancing, but college cheerleleader is pretty convincing. Do they need to specify that it needs to be gay men in the choir?

Yes, that's the point. Yeah, like I think what Blake is saying, if you say you're in the choir, Don't you think there's some redundancy there? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to, a lot of due to we're in music, guys, like Jameson just said. I know, but why would you have to then say,

well, this is the gay choir? Yeah. So you can expect to see him sing ABBA and Britney Spears and stuff like that?

Draws a different audience. They have like the, It's a pride thing. Oh, this is the gay women's basketball team. So I'll now set my sights on... Yes, and I understand that it's a sponsorship relationship,

but the Lou Casey guy... What's he got? He's like a 70-something-year-old man who works at a cowboy boot company, and he had hot opinions, too. You can't tell me that guy was at the Miami Gay Men's Choir. No, he paid his way in though. Yeah, but didn't shut up.

That's the way. No, you pay your way in. You can do what you want. I bought my tickets. Scott Padgett, I'm sorry. Look at Chase and Bill here. They're doing their thing. That's true.

Exonerated. Scott, if you're out there, please accept our sincerest of apologies. Jake can be really mean sometimes, but at the root of it, he's a really swell guy. Hope you're doing okay. Back to the cheerleader conversation for literally two minutes, because I don't want to move on without playing this snippet from their discussion. Sarah Hepla asked the question,

why is it so hard for men to watch women be judged on their looks? Another way you could see this is that it's a free makeover. I mean, to do your hair professionally, I understand that, but you are, this is the thing at the core of the cheerleaders, which is deeply uncomfortable in the 21st century, which is you are not there to be yourself. You are there to be what they need. And the truth is that's true of football. It's just somehow so much more triggering when it's women and so what i'd like to drill into for just a second if you don't mind is why that made you so uncomfortable because like you said the women enjoy it oftentimes they're excited about they're looking forward to

it so what is it that makes you uncomfortable is it is it because you as a man have been so trained to say no honey you look good in that no matter what the answer is? Or is it because you have daughters and you are a daughter and you don't want like, which, what, what is it triggering? I think it's both of those things. And I did think about it from a sports perspective, you know, cause you'll draft a player and in year three, they're like, we have to make you a jump shooter or, you know, Dwight Powell, all of a sudden we're going to make you shoot threes. Like they're telling you you this is what your career is going to be it just feels different when it's just completely appearance based and it's partially daughter but i think in general i just don't love the idea that people are going to be primarily judged on their looks it just feels

like a really base societal thing that we should try to not have but it's always going to be that way but i i think i, it's very interesting to hear like sports guys say that. I mean, I remember, weren't we talking about your uncle? Somebody's uncle. Somebody's uncle was real creepy with the cheerleaders. Oh, it was Corby's.

Oh, it was Corby's uncle. Yeah, Corby's uncle, yeah. He would bring the binoculars solely for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, like, if you're going to have women in very little clothing on the sidelines, and they're orchestrated to get attention and market attention for your team, does it seem like a good plan to just be like, whatever you do you?

We've talked about this before. I'm just uncomfortable that cheerleaders exist. Yet, like you said, women want to do it. They grow up doing it. They want to be on the sideline cheering. They love dancing. And looking hot and everything. So who am I to eradicate that? That is author and columnist Sarah Heppola on with us discussing the new Netflix documentary about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders from our Thursday live stream. If you've noticed, we've been trying to live stream more and more, and I promise you I will

get better about promoting them. I just had to lay the groundwork here in the past week or so. Feels like the old days back in our normal time slot. Speaking of nostalgia, we are just under three weeks away from NCAA 25. For me, I'm planning on starting a TCU dynasty with custom conferences. I'm going to put schools back where they belong. Let's rebuild the Pac-12. Let's rebuild the Big 12 with Texas and OU and restore some sort of decency in college football. I'm a dork, so let me know your NCAA plans. I enjoy the deep dives that some people do out there, and I do plan on bringing back my relegation system, so I'll keep you updated on that as we go forward. While on the topic of college athletics, Jake brings us the Kyle Filipowski story that may or may not

include Kyle nailing his former babysitter. All right, I want to tell you guys about another sort of NBA story, college basketball story that is pretty insane. Good. I've avoided this just for you to tell us. Okay, so I heard a clip of audio from The Low Post, which is Zach Lowe's podcast, probably the biggest NBA podcast in the game. And he had Jonathan Gavone on, who is the biggest draft expert in the game. He's a guy who's in Kenya, wherever in Europe. He's done NBA Africa. He's everywhere, and he knows about the top 1,000 amateur basketball players in the world.

He's Kuyper. Definitely. But you've got to know more in basketball because you've got to know Croatia and you've got to know Spain and you've got to know college and Kuyper just needs to know college. So in any case, they had him on and this was yesterday heading into round two. So round one had wrapped up, uh, then round two Thursday afternoon and somebody posted this clip and I went and found a little bit longer version of it, but they're talking about a kid from Duke.

I'll back it up. That's my bad. You're good. Is there anything we should – what did we not talk about? Is there anything you really wanted to hit, or is there anything that's, like, super interesting about this second round other than Bronny? I was shocked that Kyle Filipowski, invited to the green room,

still sitting here right now waiting to hear his name called. I gotta think the Toronto Raptors need to look hard at him at 31. This guy is 7 feet tall. He can dribble. He can pass. He can shoot. He's not a bad defender. He's competitive. You know, the workouts

weren't great, people tell me. There were question marks about the interviews. They said he was nervous. He didn't make shots at the pro day you know what's going on with his girlfriend this is all nonsense it's hard to find a seven footer like kyle filipowski who is this skilled somebody needs to draft him very early in the second round wait a second wait a second wait a second i'm obviously out of the loop i want the i want the talking about. What's going on with his girlfriend? He has an older girlfriend. She's like 25 or 26.

And people are like, oh, this is weird. It's like, give me a freaking break, guys. What? He hasn't talked to his parents. Oh, my God. I got to get this guy in the podcast. I got to get them both on the podcast. I got to get them both on the podcast.

We're going to get this sorted out, Kyle. And Kyle, he's going to have a very good NBA career. Okay. They talk about it a little bit more after that, but that's the meat. So I heard that short clip too the other day. It was – and just being dismissed like, oh, you're just dating someone who's 26? Okay. Yeah, but even the part at the end where Gavone's like –

We're going to get them both on the podcast. We're going to get this sorted out, Kyle. And Kyle, he's going to start getting a career. Yeah. And so, the person who clipped that and posted it on Twitter

said, hey, I heard this on Low Post today and it sent me down a Kyle Filipowski wormhole. And then that person started tweeting about their situation because let's say that he's 20 and he has a 25 year old girlfriend

maybe he was 19 and she was 24 when they met that's not really weird at all I mean it sounds awesome but it doesn't seem nobody would really bat an eye at that he doesn't talk to his parents.

Okay, whatever. I mean, people have falling outs with their parents. But then things got really weird. As people started going through her Instagram page and looking at his posts, it became clear that she attended his prom. He was 18, but she attended his prom after she had already graduated college. So we're getting a little closer to the danger zone here.

I know I said 19 and 24 maybe, but a high school, still a high school kid, and she's attending the prom. That means they didn't just meet. And they didn't just meet because the speculation is she was his babysitter and once this picked up a little bit of uh momentum dan kyle's brother and mom started tweeting oh Oh, good. And it appears to me, based on looking at their accounts, that these accounts did not exist before this story came out. At least the mom's.

The brother said, I'm Kyle's oldest brother. You all don't have a clue of the extent of the story that has to do with his girlfriend. There's a story that's been pushed under the table for nearly two years now. And this guy said hey dms are open i can take this post down if you want he says uh blah blah that's not that interesting but he does say uh no one knows about what's going on outside of who's involved the duke coaching staff

and his agent referring to the situation with his girlfriend also implying the duke coaching staff is well aware that this guy was 16 or 17 years old and dating a 22 year old this guy said but look up the brother but look up and read on Mormon grooming and brainwashing and you'll find some introductory details in there to connect

some of the dots into the story that is going on the mom says you are opening To connect some of the dots into the story that is going on. The mom says, you are opening a two year issue. And she is 28 with an end game three years ago to have a diamond ring on her hand when Kyle left Duke. He was still in high school. In all caps. So he's 20. She's 28.

The mom is implying that they started dating whenever they were maybe 17, 16, and she would have been 25. Okay. That's rape in most states. Or the luckiest boy alive. Yeah. So the parents have tweeted more about this. I mean, there's an actual photo.

So, eight-year age difference. Yeah. I think I said six, but the mom clarified that it was eight. Gavone thought it was maybe five, maybe six. Yeah. So, if she was babysitter, then he's seven or eight and she's 16? 14, he's six. That's not that weird.

But if that's how they met, that is really weird. That's a common... I heard a whoa back there. I'm like, I think a 9th grader, 10th grader could babysit a 6 in his 4-year-old brother. Oh, yeah, for sure, as long as they don't end up sleeping together. Yeah. And then they throw in the Mormon brainwashing angle to it. That this is something that... She's Mormon?

Must be. I haven't seen that reported anywhere other than his parents saying that that's what's happening. It's not like the jazz draft of him. That's the thing. He did go in day two in the second pick of the NBA draft

to the Utah Jazz. Oh, wow. Well, they did have a high. They did. High pick. Toronto didn't take him, though. There was one pick ahead of him. And he wasn't a bubble guy.

He was a top half of the first round pick. Oh. Without a doubt. And he dropped because of all this? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. I mean, they invited him to the green room.

That's not even just for the first round. That's a big deal. He was a baller at Duke. Huh. Yeah, that's a very – usually, I guess, teams would just say, you know, well, there's lots of problems. We can overcome this one. But to drop that far in the draft, that's a major, major thing.

Like that's cocaine or whatever now. Drugs, yeah. It's funny, too, just people piecing together all of the different stages of their life where they were. As this lady pulled up the girlfriend's LinkedIn page, it says, Caitlin Hutchinson, the girlfriend, entered undergrad in 2015 when Kyle was 11 years old.

I love when the internet becomes detectives. She has known him since at least 2017 when he was 14. But that goes against the babysitter story. Yeah, you don't need a babysitter when you're a 14-year-old. I don't know that I've seen that proven. It might just be people trying to live out a fantasy. You know?

But also, if he's 7 foot now, he was probably pretty tall when he was 14. And so that can perhaps cause him to look older than he is or appear older, you know, all that. Judge. I was going to say. Yeah.

I mean, look at the picture here. But you might need a babysitter still when you're 10 or 11. Yeah. So if that was the case and she was like 18. Yeah. I mean, it's a weird story. And maybe, you know, Cavoni said he was nervous. Maybe he's just a nervous guy.

In the interviews, the teams are asking questions like, so what's your whole scene, dude? What's this? Because they will ask you, you like are you in a committed relationship do you have any kids blah blah blah and if they said to him does your mom oh you got a girlfriend your dad your what's your relationship with your parents i don't talk to him your dad your grandpa isn't it yeah what was the desk yeah jeff ireland it was it really is your mama a prostitute but your brother your dad and so uh. And so, you know, they ask you, hey, what's your dating scene like?

And he says, well, I got a girlfriend. Where'd you meet her? Well. Interesting you asked. A pool party at my fifth birthday. Oh, she was in your class? No, she was entering high school. It's a wild story.

And, oh, I forgot to add this part to it. And, yeah, if you're looking, of course, she's hot. Look like. That helps. We had some people leaning into a computer. I was not looking. I don't see a lot of issues here. What's her name?

Caitlin Hutchinson. Is that right? Yes. The other weird part about this, when I went to go pull that audio this morning, I usually would do that on my computer on the Apple podcast app. And you can just rip it from there because I listened to it on my phone yesterday and downloaded the episode. When I went to look for it this morning, that episode was about six minutes shorter. Uh-oh. And they had taken all that out.

That's really weird. I know. Maybe I did something wrong, but I looked at the episode link. I went to where it would have been, and it wasn't there. Whereas the one that I have on my phone, and you even had on your phone.

Yeah. It was downloaded on my app. Huh. So anyways, if you're any of our 11-year-old listeners who might be getting a babysitter while your parents go out for a nice dinner this weekend, know there is hope. That from our Friday show in the den. More from that Patreon-only episode in just a bit. In case you missed it last week,

I reviewed the book, My Lovely Wife by Samantha Downing. Really enjoyed it. Good suspense throughout. Nice couple twists at the end. 8.5 out of 10 on the Blake scale. If you're enjoying the book reports and want to catch up with me, I'm currently reading Calamity of Souls by David Baldacci. I try to bounce around some different genres and have hit

a couple girl books in a row, so reading a quote, high octane, action-packed, and moving legal thriller during the civil rights movement. Got a few good recommendations for books to hit next, but always happy to chat about it with you. Hit me blake at no puppet productions.com there is your 40 liner and here is the dumb zone news with jake here's jake with the dumb zone news what an open it's going to be so distracting I can't not look at how awesome it is Mark Cuban got hacked oh what do you mean cyber dust

yeah why if it wasn't using cyber dust but his actual regular gmail got hacked didn't he once say he wouldn't come on our show unless you contacted him through CyberDust? It wasn't. It's even worse than that. He said dust me.

Sorry. Yeah. Hey, I'm pro Mark Cuban. He's thrown just try anything he can. Yeah, why not? Try it and it might have picked up and it didn't. And he goes on right to anything he can. Yeah, why not? Try it, and it might have picked up, and it didn't. And he goes on right to the next thing. Yeah. So, yeah, I've dusted him a few times.

Is that still a thing? I don't think so. I think Snapchat kind of eventually, like... Yeah, won the war. Won the war, yeah. So, in a now-removed post on Twitter, and I love how news outlets have to do this now, they all say, in a now-removed post on Twitter, and I love how news outlets have to do this now, they all say, in a now-removed post on X, formerly Twitter. Just because no one really knows it is X? Yeah.

Said he was hacked after he received a call from a fake Google representative who imitated the company's account recovery methods. What do they sound like? You can guess if you want. Hello? Hello? You're an Uber driver? Yeah, just play that on you. Dan guessed.

I'm just saying if they were faking a customer service representative, you would think they'd have to get into character in a way. Yeah. Dan would be really good at this. There's no cyber dust. I was just looking for it. It's not in the app store anymore.

No. So he tweeted out the phone number. I suppose just raising awareness. He tweeted out the phone number. He tweeted out the name of the person that he said was scamming him. And then said, if anyone gets anything from mcuban at gmail.com after 3.30, it's not me. But, that's what I was going to say. The fact is, if Cuban can get hacked and get scammed, then...

Although I guess the people are looking to hack him. I assume they're looking to hack 80-year-olds. Wouldn't he have two-factor? Two-factor often? Yeah, everyone does that. I hate two-factor. Yeah. Two-factor?

Uh-huh. I mean, I don't do it if i can avoid it i probably shouldn't announce that yeah i was gonna say did you just like announce to the world that you don't own a gun i'm going to have to start start that up is the point of it just you just have to go to the authenticator app and that's it Is the point of it just you just have to go to the authenticator app and that's it? You probably know this. I do the authenticator app for, you know, Coinbase or whatever.

Yeah, I do it for crypto. But, you know, no, sometimes it's, isn't there a thing where you have to then go to your email every time? Yeah. Okay. And Cuban didn't have that. That's surprising to me. The body of a missing kayaker, a 23-year-old man, was recovered Sunday from the Trinity River after he drowned. This happened around 175, Highway 175 in Crandall.

I see people, sometimes I go pick up breakfast on the other side of the lake. Like if you have to drive to Flower Mound. That's a pretty far drive. Why? Well, I haven't done it since I've lived by you. But when I lived in Grapevine, there's a place over there that, and it's like 15 minutes. There's a couple places over there I like.

I get a little brekkie. And I see people out there and I'm like, man, they look really alive. Out there kayaking and? Yeah, in Grapevine Lake. 9 a.m yeah and it looks awesome but i do feel like i'm pretty high on the percentile of you could die doing this somehow you screw it up you tip over yeah how ironic too you wanted to feel more alive yeah now you're dead and now you're dead but that's the thing is like i see people out at grapevine lake all the time and think i should be taking more advantage of the lake it's right there there's so much cool stuff you can do

like i told you about that camp my daughter did last week so i was driving by there every day and thought i should be out here more we have a a cool lake. It's huge. Right here. It's too hot. Could you swim across the whole lake? Could I or could someone? You. Like, how far is it? Chappy used to do the triathlons. Yeah, it was like a mini triathlon, but I mean, yeah, he still swims. Like how far is the lake across?

Is it a mile? I really don't know. No one knows. Does anyone know? Nope. No one will ever know. It's impossible to know. It's impossible to know.

I was going to look at the map and try and figure it out just visually. There have been a couple times where on a dude's trip, do you have a result there? It sounded like somebody had a bing. It's only about as long as my pinky. What's the scale? That's probably doable then. There's been a couple times on like a dude's trip where. Let's do it for the scale. That's probably doable then. There's been a couple times on like a

dude's trip where Let's do it for the show. Jake has to swim across. For what? What's the content play? Come see it? Where, you know. What's you doing something with the lake? You'll get into the afternoon and you're four or five in

and you're like, I'm swimming across this thing. Which is the worst idea like that's how people die in fact you know not to speculate but it's possibly how this young man passed that alcohol was involved so you'd have to i mean you know speaking of uh water deaths a uh actor from an actor of the Caribbean died in a shark attack while surfing. Which is just horribly, horribly ironic. Yeah, and it's really rare, right? And there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there.

By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Did you notice that, Lasha? He was right. He predicted it. Yep. Shark attacks are very rare, right? They are rare, but they're... Isn't it like one a year?

No, dude. More deaths than one a year? I don't know about deaths. So there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat. 10 yards. Dan's right. One fatality every two years. Yeah, but the attacks are like, I'm looking at it, 60 a year.

But the chances are you won't die. That's pretty good. Yeah, but you're mangled. Yeah. chances are you won't die. That's pretty good. Yeah, but you're mangled. Yeah. You don't want that.

This is their... There were 14 confirmed shark-related fatalities this year, 10 of which were assigned as unprovoked. What were the other four? The other four were like, what's up? What's up, bitch? You want smoke? Hey, bitch. Yeah, parking lot at Abuelo's, yeah.

Cute fin. What's up? Oh, you're real tough. Yeah. You may move it over there with your fin. Getting to get in the water. You swimming around? You want a piece?

Yeah, I mean, I do think it's happening more now though um just because of we're like socializing them to people because like people will go out and dive with sharks more now video man have you ever done like a are you scuba guy at all okay i feel like that's a lot of times the same guy yeah a guy who's really into skydiving a are you scuba guy at all okay i feel like that's a lot of times the same guy yeah a guy who's really into skydiving is probably into scuba yeah self-contained underwater breathing apparatus um but we what's skydiving stand for your he says your mom um we've we've socialized them to being around people more because people go out and do these tours and to see them they have to put meat in the water right they have to chum the water so that the shark will come to the cage and then they're like oh people that means food hmm i think it's i do

think it's actually happening more now but to to be an actor on Pirates of the Caribbean and be in the water for much of your career and then die from a shark, that's a tough break. It's like if you died when you opened Audition and it electrocuted you or something. Moment of silence. For that guy.

That was it. So there's a shark ten yards away from the boat. Ten yards. I thought this was an odd note from the story. It says lifeguards brought the man to shore by jet ski, which I don't Why does it have to be put inetski, which I don't.

Why does it have to be put in the story at all? I know. It's just a really odd addition. Lifeguards brought. What if it was by tube? Like they laid him on the tube? He's weak into Bernies. They're tubing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The banana. And it says by Jetski and paramedics assisted with the death pronouncement. Like, if you die on the slopes. Clearly, the editor needed 500 words. They put him on a sled.

I've been there. We've all been there. But yeah Like did they make you snowboard down Dead They just kind of tie you to the thing I don't know And where was that

That was in Honolulu Which I think is actually No but man Not a lot of sharks around here. Not a lot of sharks around here. I don't think that's how the Trinity River Kayaker passed, but definitely Galveston area. Gulf of Mexico is a hot zone.

For sharks? Yeah. I'd like to call your bluff. But I've never been there and you have, so it must be right. The Gulf of Mexico is a known shark area. I know, and you're saying it with a lot of authority, but I've heard this before. Anyways. And later it'll be a montage.

The Texas coast is one of the safest waterfronts in this regard. God bless. Result one. He just fact-checked you right away? 17 shark bites in 100 years. None of them are bites. None of them are bites. They're all attacks.

Well, he's saying if there's only 17 bites. It would be 17 in a century. That means you'd get 17 bites within one attack. He's saying there's just never an attack. I'm just reading. An Amber Alert for a missing six-month-old child in El Paso. This is from visitgalveston.com. What are they going to say?

They're probably trying to cover it up. They're not going to tell you anything. It's not as hot as I thought it would be. Did you just yawn? He's tired of your news. An Amber Alert for a missing six-month-old. This is the last one. Missing six-month-old child in El Paso has been discontinued,

and I only bring this up because I got this alert this morning. And I was wondering. You haven't turned that off on your phone? I wanted to ask whether or not you had. Oh, for sure. You do? You have it off? I think I did it.

It was like a year or so ago. Do you remember that one that came at night? Yeah. And it was like from Houston? Yeah. It was like. It was like, wait, wait. And it just woke everybody up. And it was like from Houston. Yeah, it was like. It was like, wait, wait. And it just woke everybody up

and it's like, whoa, whoa. And you know, I don't want to be woken up if my own family dies in the middle of the night, let alone if something happened in Houston. I love Soroy's bit on this. What's that?

He gets up and just kind of peeks out the blinds and he's like Alright I did my part I looked Cause like what are you gonna do? You're right it's in Houston Like what am I gonna do?

One of the funniest videos I've ever seen in my life Is uh what's his name Mark something Zuckerberg No We can play it. Whatever. Just YouTube Mark Amber Alert. What the fuck is that guy's name?

Mark? The only chance is that there might be an N-word in here, but I don't think so. Dump and chase? Yeah. I can't do that. But it's just like a video about how they expect you to react when you get an Amber Alert. What color is Mark? Mark Curry?

Before we know if you're not. Mark is not white. Okay, well then, yeah. But yeah, like just that you're supposed to spring into action with your boys and like all assemble. Looking for a license plate. Yeah. Like what are we supposed to do? We got it. it's a gray Honda

yeah the plates check out but were they dirty how about silver yeah do they have mud on the plates right yeah silver alert you know my theory on that has always been that there's like an island of people, old people living together. That they just disappeared. Because you just hear, you see the sign and you're like, well, where are they all going? Off to die. It's possible. You want to try it? You have it?

Oh, he doesn't have it. Okay, no worries. No worries. Yeah, I don i don't i don't really know about the silver alert i uh i assume that they're all found or all dead yeah they don't really update it after they really don't no you you very rarely see the story like this one where they say oh okay this is this is what happened but yeah i got this one pretty early this morning and the first thing i thought was dan didn't get this yeah i didn't i'm oblivious to that but i hope they found the kid that's where i stand i got an anime fight

they did find the kid excellent they did find the kid and i suppose there's your news Excellent. They did find the kid. And I suppose there's your news. The Dumb Zone News. Like and subscribe. Kick-ass graphic. That news was from our Monday, June 24th episode with Dominic Robinson in our new studio. I want to remind you, if you haven't already, be sure you're subscribed to our Patreon.

For only $7 a month, you get access to two extra episodes a week. That's eight a month and less than a dollar per episode. And we go on for like two and a half hours. So you're looking at what? 30 cents an hour. Come on. It's a deal. It's a deal and a half. And you'd be helping us out as well. Just pray about it, please. All right. Back to Thursday's episode at the DAC. All right, back to Thursday's episode at the DAC. Sarah Heppelow hadn't heard about Hop to it girl. I mean, Hawk to a girl. So Jake had to educate her.

Well, maybe Victoria is actually busy telling us about the cold front. The heat index. Did you say the heat advisory ends tomorrow like it's going to be better? I think it's better as far as them saying you could die if you're outside. It's not going to be quite that bad. Isn't this the kind of heat that your dad will mow his acre? Yeah. With a push mower.

He's a grinder. Yeah. Guy's an animal. Side note, I got to own up to something. I forgot to call my dad on his birthday on Tuesday. Like all day? Yeah. We should have called him on the show.

I didn't have him in my... We talked about him that day, and I didn't even think about it. I didn't have that one in my calendar, I guess. Or that calendar populated. I called him yesterday, and yeah. He shrugged it off. Did he point it out? Do you think it hurt him? Yeah, I do.

I feel like it hurt him, but he would never tell me that. And I felt so bad about it. Because I'm like the good one about that. My brother, he ain't calling. But me, I've been pretty good about it forever, even though I don't care at all about people's birthdays. Yeah, and I think I wonder how I'd... I think I would be

fine with it. Like, I don't want my birthday acknowledged, yeah. But yeah, I'm sure it bothered him. So anyways, tough break, old chapster. How can we make it up to him? Let's get him a hooker. Okay.

And you know he's already down Because he's got nothing to bet on Listen bud He's found something What's he doing? What was the thing you were talking about earlier? Lacrosse? No

Hak-Tua girl? Yeah Hak-Tua girl You know Hak-Tua girl? No I don't even know what those words are God damn What are you doing?

Are you living under a rock? He's not online at all Reading books Yeah what are you doing? Are you living under a rock? She's not online at all. Reading books and probably doing... Yeah, what are you doing? Reading books and writing articles? Yeah, flame. Driving Rolls Royces? Probably doing adult stuff.

The level of this hostility does not match my not knowing hop to it girl. Boy, that's the... Oh, hawk to it. Yeah, I saw this on your Instagram. I didn't know what the hell it meant. That's the kids bop know what the hell it meant. That's the Kidz Bop version. Why? What does this mean?

It's a, yeah, he's right. Yeah, bring one of those every day. It's a guy doing man on the street interviews, and he's asking women. I think it's in downtown Nashville, like in a bar district. What makes you wife material? One of the girls is like, Oh, I'm loyal. I don't, I was stalling, but, Oh, but I don't know. Yeah. We don't.

And, uh, they ask her. Yeah. We can just give her the audio. Yeah. We can just play the audio. Although maybe I should just let you recreate it. I was going to. I thought you might want to hear it.

Why am I an idiot? I'm sorry. She says, you know, I'm loyal. I'm a good friend. And then her friend pops in and she's like, what makes you wife material? And then she starts talking and he falls up with one move in bed that will make a man go crazy. And she goes, ha, spit on that thing. Oh, my God. I might have had the order goes, haq tu! Spit on that thing. Oh my God.

I might have had the order backwards. It might have been spit on that thing. Haq tu! No, you nailed it. Yep. And now she's the most famous person on the planet right now. Haq tu! Well, I mean...

She's like a 22-year-old girl. I think you might have a different Twitter feed than I do. I think it's becoming increasingly clear. You nailed it. Yeah. If you're in need of a dumb zone shirt or Tumblr or sticker or whatever, check out dumb zone, merch.com.

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at 903-865-DUM. 903-865-3862. 903-865-3862. Maybe this could be the place to play some of them because I may turn this into primarily a replay episode But then I Maybe I turn this into the Blake show

I don't know we'll see Back to Tuesday June 25th with KT We learn about the human lightning rod And who Dan and Jake's Original choice for their producer was Why are you yelling at me? He's yelling at me. Oh.

So, KT, Kevin Turner, today is Tuesday, June 25th. Right? Yeah, man. It's kind of your department, but yes. Oh, okay. So let's lead off with this. On this day in 1977,

Roy Sullivan. Search the name Roy Sullivan. Okay. He was struck by lightning on this day in 1977. Whoa. On this day in 1977. Whoa. On this day... Bud. It was his...

It was the seventh time he had been struck by lightning. Damn. That's incredible. His Wikipedia page is hilarious. Whoa, look at him. Because over here it says born, and it has his name, his birth date, and his place of birth.

It says death. It has his death date, the place of his death. And then there's a thing that says known for. And the known for just says getting struck by lightning seven times. What a legacy. April 1942 was his first. July 1969.

Then he had quite a run. 1970, 1972, 1973. 1976, and then finally 1977. God, the 70s for him. Stay inside at some point. This guy seems really wild. So the 1977 one says he was struck by lightning

while fishing in a freshwater pool. The lightning hit the top of his head, set his hair on fire, traveled down and burnt his chest and stomach. Certainly it can't get worse. He turned to his car, and he sees a bear approaching the pond. Come on.

Which is trying to steal trout from his fishing line. He said, it says here, Sullivan had the strength and courage to strike the bear with a tree branch, despite the fact that his hair was on fire. He claimed that that was the 22nd

time he had hit a bear with a stick in his lifetime. Okay, this guy's a liar. He's a liar. I mean, I guess if you're gonna hit a bear with a stick, you would count him. Oh my god. But I think you would lose count and just say, I just hit bears with sticks at some point.

Rather than counting all the way to 22. He looks like Gene Hackman. I'm gonna make this movie. Exactly. Sullivan's wife also got hit by lightning. What? No, none of this is true.

She was out hanging clothes in their backyard. Her husband was helping her. Oh, my God. Maybe it was aiming for her. Yeah. Aiming for him? Yeah. Or aiming for him, yeah.

Oh, my God. Did that... Governor Abbott, he was jogging, and then lightning hit a tree, and that fell on him? I got a friend, he lives in California, so he's not politically biased at all. He just does not buy

that Governor Abbott was jogging when he was paralyzed. Well, I'm pretty sure he was. I'm like, I think it's documented, but I really am now questioning the details. But I don't know if Lightning was involved. I think it might have been like a landscaping company or something. But I could be wrong about that.

Bye, Beth. He was said to have been avoided by people during the later years of his life. Yeah. Owing to fears of being struck by lightning, and that saddened him. He once recalled he was walking with the chief

ranger. He was a ranger, a park ranger. One day when lightning struck way off in the distance, the chief said, I'll see you later. So he was kind of sad by this fact. And on the morning of September 28th, 1983, he shot himself in the head. Holy shit!

And committed suicide. Boy, just 20 years of reaching his hand out. How am I first now hearing about this? We've been doing this Today in History thing for 20 years. This is amazing. You know what hurts the most? It's the sadness. Well, actually, that's the second most.

Because the most is the seven lightning strikes. The other thing. On his basketball reference page, it says Spark Ranger. Oh, man. Okay. I like that, Blake. The other thing On his basketball reference page it says Spark Ranger Oh man 20 years of just reaching his hand out And shake someone's hand I don't know buddy You have a thing What if science studied his body

Yeah what was in his body That would attract it Maybe like a A key right Isn't that what Benjamin Franklin hung on the it? Maybe like a key, right? Isn't that what Benjamin Franklin hung on the kite? Yeah. He had swallowed a key as a boy. Maybe.

I don't know. That's incredible. Never be the same. 500th Kemp spin and that. What a day. On this day in 1985, Monday Night Football announced their new lineup. So they had

their ratings were falling after Howard Cosell and Don Meredith left. So they announced it would be Frank Gifford, who had been there already, but he would be joined by Joe Namath and O.J. Simpson.

Oh. What could go wrong? had been there already, but he would be joined by Joe Namath and OJ Simpson. Oh, what could go wrong? A lot of OJ news lately. Yeah. You know what? I was actually looking at, we never had that Sunday meeting we were going to have.

So let's have it now. Cause we were going to talk Sunday about guests and stuff coming up on the show. And we have talked about the fact that, you know, we were saving some stuff until the Mavs were done with their run, and now they're done. So what are we doing? Well, next week, William Pace will be joining us. Heck yeah.

If you don't know who William Pace is, well, stay tuned. Next week it's – We've got to go before this becomes a zoo. Sarah Heppel of Thursday. Actually, Rob actually talked to William Pace yesterday, so we've confirmed this. We've set up their tech, right? Their set.

The great William Pace from Dayton, Ohio. It looks like a very difficult conversation you were having with William Pace. He might be 80. He might have an AOL email address. I don't know how old he is. He's a very, very sweet, sweet man. He's just the sweetest man ever. He really is.

Yeah. But he has a technical guy, and it turns out we're not going to use a technical guy because he's just going to wind up doing it from his laptop. So we'll see. I think we'll be okay. Okay. But that's next uh tuesday i believe um but where was i going oh i have another guest i wanted to get oj related somehow that's right thanks so i was looking at he's good at this i've got practice

i was looking at our you know things we've been doing and talking about in the past, and we had wanted to get the sports princess on. Oh, yeah. So I think we need to get a line on her, and let's go over, because we might have even found, like, another episode of her in OJ. You found another one? So you might not even know this, Kevin KT Turner, but the legendary sports princess interviewing OJ, taking phone calls,

and we've all TMZ picked up on it, and they have like a montage that they played. Yeah, the one-minute clip that's on YouTube. That was a montage of three different days of calls. And Blake, because he's Blake found those episodes and I remember on the phone with you as you were going through it you had to like use some like internet yeah the way that way back machine the way back machine yeah are you familiar with this I am okay yeah so things that aren't on the internet anymore you can still find them

all my conspiracy theorist friends out there know what the wayback machine is because you can't hide something you you can't scrub everything it just rewinds the internet basically to whatever so i just rewound it to when they had archived the footage on their website and at first we couldn't get it, but then you figured it out somehow. And it's got several snapshots, so I just tried this day, this day, this day, this day, and then finally a day had it. It's amazing. I heard the segment you did on this over a month ago, and I was blown away, and I was

a little pissed that I, you know, still have that dog in me where I'm like, why didn't I find that? Because oftentimes Blake does things that I'm like, I wish I would have thought of that. You know? Yeah, he'll do that. Well, anyway. You could have been here. Can you put that up?

And I could have been in Italy. Yeah. Golfing. And golfing. That's true. We wanted to hire KT at one time. I think he might have been our first choice when you when we ended up being saddled with Blake

when we were at the ticket. Our first choice was KT, Kevin Turner. And you should have. You were looking for more game shows. I wanted more game shows. And our theory was you had left the ticket a long time

ago and then you went to work for different radio stations, and that's kind of like you went to work in the minor or play in the minors, and then you learned the craft. And we just thought, resume-wise, you had the best resume out there. And our theory, this is Dan and Jake's theory, we would also kind of hurt the competition a little bit because we'd be stealing you away from Ben and Skin. And so that would bother their show. It would help our show.

We'd learn that whatever secrets the other stations have, we'd find those out. Yeah. And then, but they had a very insular, would you call it that? Like mindset? Yeah, I think you know that one. The management did of, no, we don't want to hire from outside the ticket. So we always thought that was a weird bit. Yeah. Just because I think you can, you know, just bringing a different outside perspective can be beneficial.

There's a couple things that happen. And they're like, well, yeah, but we're still number one, so I guess you were wrong. Yeah. No, true. And this guy got a chance to go host a morning show and couldn't get a two, and I'm a failure. I think it's a lot of that. There's a couple things that happened over the course of history there

to where I did get the vibe that I just wasn't very liked. So, you know, whatever. The escorting probably didn't help like once you leave in there i think they you know sometimes when you leave there it'll be like oh you uh you're like a traitor you're leaving us but i was all for you leaving at the time because you were a weekend guy with no i mean if you were there in the last year, you'd have a very good chance for advancement. Yeah. As I believe all their shows have new producers in the last 12 months.

Yeah. Like, there was a nice 15-year stretch where nobody could get in the door at all. And that's when you were there. And it was like, well, there's going to be no full-time job opening for me. And even if it does, I'm one of 15 guys on the weekend. I don't know that I'll get, you know, I'm not like the number one ranked guy. Like Jake walked around with bravado, confidence, knowing what he was for so many years.

I remember it was opening day of 13. You guys were doing the show out there, and Bob pulled me aside, and he gave me the hey sent the audio over to ben and he sent one segment the sports sphinx over to to ben and skin and it was like it might be an opportunity so yeah i got to go do full-time producer whatever third man making you know at the fan and like replacing richie and Grego and their fans were really reasonable. And then, but also it was like I could quit my job, which I was doing stuff at an oil company. And I worked at Dick's Sporting Goods too.

Because you kind of had to work other jobs if you're going to work. Did you get like a discount? Yeah, like a little like 10%. But Dick's Sporting Goods, I'll say this open for business. Dick's Sporting Goods. Business. say this open for business. Dick's Sporting Goods. Business. But they made their employees clean the bathrooms. Whereas my previous time in retail at the Sports Authority, rest in peace.

Love the Sports Authority. They would run a cleaning crew through there. And, you know, so I thought it was kind of weird. Like Dick's is kind of seen as like a higher end. Well, that's why. But they're making you clean the bathroom, which may be giving you the tools to be your own boss what was the restaurant they would treat you really bad was that called dicks dicks last resort right by yeah i never went but yeah like that was their west end right by the hooters by the house of blues

their bit was to be a jerk to you yeah did you get to meet Bobcat Goldthwait? Yeah, was that the opening day? It had to have been in that era. I don't think I did meet him. Dude, I think it was that day. I really do. Because that was Josh Hamilton's first game with the Angels. Yes. I remember that vividly.

That's it. And he was going to get booed, and it's not a baseball town. Recovered the game. Oh, my God. And for some reason, Bobcat Gold play was there. That was Bobcat Day. Holy shit. That's wild.

That's so funny. 2013. But anyways, we were told we couldn't hire KT. Yeah, why didn't we start talking about that? Because Blake was... Because of OJ? Oh, I found an OJ thing. Yeah.

Well, we have many... A sports princess, call us. Yeah, a sports princess call us yeah sports princess on the show soon right that'll happen i was told by various focus groups that i'm not really like likable enough or hateable enough to really garner much of a difference in anything i do so i would disagree with the second part of that. I know, right? I kind of think people don't like me that much. I kind of feel like that's enough of a...

I don't know. I've got to learn more. More hot takes. I guess I should have noticed pretty early on that I might have a chance just based on how many people fucking hated me. Yeah. Do we need to do a focus group? No. Yes, we do. The comment section is already the focus group. Yeah, we to do a focus group? No. Ooh, yeah. Yes, we do.

The comment section is already the focus group. Yeah, we already have a focus group. Yeah. Fuck it. We've got enough. We can't get fired. Doubters, haters. We've got enough focus.

People who aren't listening and aren't subscribed. Yeah, maybe. But it feels like that would cost money. See, Jake actually, though, doesn't pay attention to the haters because he doesn't go look online. Because I learned from you! I know, but I look online because I need to be fueled by the haters. Yep. You got the tattoo of the chip.

That's what gets me going every day. You have a ruffle on your shoulder just to remind you every day. Success is least not owned and rent is due every day. I guess you guys are from Texas and I... Got here as quick as you could? No, I was born and raised in a place where nothing is really given. I've heard that. Whereas down here, I believe we just hand you some stuff.

Yeah. On this day in 2007... Now this is the day that Chris Benoit, his wife and seven-year-old son were found dead in their Georgia home. And I'm only bringing this up because I did bring it up yesterday. It was his death anniversary. But apparently they didn't find him until the next day. I didn't know this. This is a fun note.

Authorities concluded that Benoit, before killing himself, strangled his family. Yeah. So that's a, that feels like a real major, I don't know. And I guess if you're like big meathead wrestler guy, that might be the way you'd choose to do it. Yeah, strangle is a crazy person move. That's passion. That's hardcore.

Yeah, and I didn't know this until I looked it up, but he also placed Bibles near the bodies of his wife and son. He was full on gone. And he hung himself from a lap machine. Then he hung himself. Yeah. Yeah. So I know you hate woke.

Of course. Taking all my hooters How about this on this day in 2020 They cancelled Roseanne Well the Dixie Chicks You know my Roseanne thing I have two of them I think a Roseanne is a type of person

They're not all Roseanne but sometimes you see someone And you're like that's a Roseanne Like a dude Like Marge Schott for example was all Roseanne, but sometimes you see someone and you're like, that's a Roseanne. Oh, okay. Like a dude. You could be a dude. Yeah. Like Marge Schott, for example, was a Roseanne. Certainly. Yeah.

And also, I think that Trump would not have a chance at coming back had they not canceled Roseanne when she made some Nazi-esque remarks. That pissed people. That was a kick of the hornet's nest that we did not need. Who did you say was Roseanne? Marge Schott. Marge Schott? You're not familiar? No. was a kick of the hornet's nest that we did not need who did you say was rosanne marge shot marge shot you're not familiar no former reds owner uh oh fan of uh hitler famously okay i think i've seen her recently well the only other person on the rosanne's list is travis tritt travis tritt

i saw him live and i was like man that guy And he was actually kind of dressed like Roseanne, so maybe that helped. Did you smell T-R-O-U-B-L-E? So you have a Roseanne list, but you didn't have anyone on it except one? I just had Travis Tritt. Okay. Travis Tritt has one of the most insane music videos that traumatized me. He's a five-year-old. He's going out to the dock.

He's in a wheelchair for whatever. Oh, I've seen it. And his wife's getting out of the boat, and she hits her head on the dock in slow motion. We need to the dock. He's in a wheelchair for whatever. Oh, I've seen it. And his wife's getting out of the boat and she hits her head on the dock in slow motion. We can watch it. We need to see this. I forget the name of the song. Country music videos in the 90s, Dan, you have no idea how unhinged they were.

What's the one you showed me? The one I showed you was standing outside the fire. Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, I hate track and field ever since. Where a kid with... Dude. Where a kid with Down syndrome wants to participate in track and field.

He wants to participate in like a 400. But he falls down. And he's not in the Special Olympics, to be clear. He's racing... Okay. but he falls down. He's not in the Special Olympics, to be clear. He's racing non-down syndrome. For some reason, Garth Brooks is there. His dad's mad at him because he falls down. He's like, get up, son. Get up.

He makes him finish the race. The dad is yelling at the down syndrome kid yes who's competing against normies and like it's it's dude it's rough and i'm confident that the special olympics did exist at the time this video was created why he's in the crowd singing for some reason standing outside the fire fire. With the mom, yeah. The point is, you gotta get in the game. You don't want to stand outside the fire, but to KT's point, the kid definitely could have competed against other kids with

Down Syndrome. He just didn't. Yeah. Yeah, what's the motivation? And he has a terrible fall. It's so bloody. And he bleeds. Yeah. Dad is just mad at him. Dude, it's really rough. And the song rules.

The song does rule, too. That's another good point. Anyways. That's great. RIP to Chris Benoit's family. So on this day in 2020, the Dixie Chicks changed their name to the Chicks. Yeah. So on this day in 2020, the Dixie Chicks changed their name to the Chicks.

Yeah. Following pressure from those who object to the word Dixie as a nostalgic nickname for the South, specifically the states from the Confederacy. Yeah. And then that led to someone else. Was it Lady Antebellum? Lady Antebellum. They just became Lady A. Lady A.

See, once one goes, then someone else. We're seeing this with pastors right now. Yeah, it's true. Which is weird because the Dixie Chicks came out as anti-Bush. I wonder if... Anti-George Bush. Yeah, they lost their audience in Texas. Let me specify.

Anti-George W. Bush. They weren't on the Galen Clark? Nope. But I think you think you're black. Name a female pop group that is actually anti-Bush. Maybe a... Like we're coming up with a fake one? No, I'm thinking of...

I'm trying to craft a lesbian singer. Come back Thursday. The Indigo Girls. Okay. Is that lesbian? I think so. I feel like they would have been pro. Sounds lesbian.

Yeah. That's right. I guess they're pro-bush. Yeah. I was confused as to... Okay, no, yeah. So, yeah, the Dixie Chicks. Now, maybe like more modern.

Like maybe- Let's do the next one. This one is not going anywhere. You got to know when to cut bait. So, okay, let me add this other one. Okay. Because on this day in 2020, so remember what this day is too, 2020, Disney says it would recast the Splash Mountain theme park ride

to remove its ties to Song of the South. It's a 1946 movie that many viewed as racist. I don't know why. Now, I did think, oh, you don't know why? Oh, we're watching a little something that does look a bit racist? Yeah, a bit. I was thinking the next thing you know, they're going to be canceling Triumph of the Will. But the point here is that on this day in 2020, it's pre-election, and you say, did canceling Roseanne?

Do you think all this stuff... Yes, without a doubt. ...helped Trump get elected? Because even people who are not racist, all that kind of stuff, you are thinking, eh, really you need to change the name Dixie Chicks? Like, to me, that sounds silly. Why would you change your name?

I mean, he won in the 2016 election, so this stuff was all happening, and then Biden won, but still. But even the Splash Mountain thing, I'm sure they weren't showing Uncle Remus or whoever on the ride, but it's like, oh, just the name of that movie is part of this, so we should take that out. And I think just that upon this, upon that, you know, adding all the stories of silliness. And yes, it's the, in fact, and I remember thinking it was ridiculous when Trump said this, because I think I came in and told you the next day, when he was in a debate with Hillary and they were like, Hillary, what's the biggest problem that America faces today? And she was like, oh, the Middle East and taxes and tariffs and

just had a bunch of politician answers. Yeah. Yeah, policy answers. And then they asked him, you know, homelessness, poverty, you know, all these really important things. And he's like, political correctness. You can't say anything anymore. And I thought, well, that's really weird for a presidential candidate to say that's the number one problem we're facing. Right. And it worked. and it worked but it worked we've never seen anything like it before because i we i think even you right anybody on all sides were like yeah it is kind of yeah there is too much political correctness i don't know if i

would term it that way but certainly i understood yeah the anger behind it you know but he's gonna play that card again. Thursday night, baby. Can't wait. If you're late to the show, yes, things weren't all sunshine and rainbows in the early days of Superbad Radio, Hang Zone, Dumb Zone, whatever you want to call it.

I don't even think I was on their radar as far as a possible producer, but somehow I was chosen over many other way more qualified candidates. And here we are. Maybe we'll go more into that story someday. And what made me leave? But for now, let's close this episode out with some debate coverage.

With every angle and second of audio you need to hear, here's Jake from our Friday Patreon-only episode. The debate was last night, and it was a very highly anticipated TV event with current President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump. Incredible. Just incredible. So I went in thinking, oh man, this is interesting that they're not having the crowd advantage Biden. They're cutting off mics. You the crowd advantage Biden. They're not.

They're cutting off mics. You know, advantage Biden. Just from the way the history of these things have gone. Yeah. Because Trump will talk over you. He'll make funny jokes

over what you're saying. He'll get the crowd on his side. Like, that's part of it. The funny joke will get the crowd on your side. No, I'm with you and but i don't think any of those things turned into an advantage for biden as we are about to find out it started out a

little bit weird when i i can't confirm this and maybe he was just trying to be warm and welcoming but it sure looked like when he walked out joe biden was waving at no one maybe he was waving at no one. Maybe he was waving at Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. Are you debate guy? What's your history with watching debates? Not at all. Okay, so it's just Trump. Not at all. Trump has brought me to the debates a little bit.

I wonder if the overall ratings would indicate the nation is mostly like me, too. I don't have that in front of me, but I can almost certainly promise you that. And last night, I was debate guy for the first hour, and then they went to a commercial. Because I didn't even think they went to commercials during debates, but they did. I was like, I can't watch. This is too... It's just horribly... Yeah, they kind of do it like the Masters, you know?

Where they limit the breaks, but you're going to have maybe one at the bottom or top of the hour for each hour. So they'd go for like 45 minutes. They would maybe have like a four or five minute break and then come back and do. Because the way my opinion was when watching it, I'm like, boy, Trump would say some stuff. It sounds really outlandish. And I feel like he'd go into something that's like easily refutable. Just kind of one of the uh popular hits of uh everybody coming into the country it's all rapists and criminal and

what and it's like well i think i could probably easily refute that um you know certainly there are probably some nefarious folks coming up but whatever but then biden wouldn't respond at all and then he wouldn't say anything I could really understand. And then it was just like, so one guy is just up there yelling, doing his usual bits. And then one guy, I can't even,

I don't even know what he's doing at all. And he's, he seems confused and just, uh, I don't know. I'm an, I'm an outsider for sure. Um,

but it's, I don't know, you know, I don't know if anyone's mind was changed, like they always say, that's what you're looking for, right? The middle of the road guy. The undecided. But I don't know that anyone's mind was changed.

Your mind was changed possibly, it's in a negative way. Like, I don't want that guy because of what you saw Biden. Is there anybody whose mind was changed, I don't want that guy because of what Trump did? Because Trump did what he always kind of does. I don't think so. You've kind of seen that. Do you know what I mean?

Of course. We have plenty of data. Everybody knows who he is. Like, I kind of know who they both are. Trump kind of did that. You know what I mean? Of course. We have plenty of data. Everybody knows who he is. Like, I kind of know who they both are. Trump kind of did his thing. I know he's blustery and lying. But, yeah, and some downright lies, you know, many.

But then Biden wasn't able to refute it or, like, come back at all. Not at all. And so it was kind of like, really? The Democrat? Like, first of all, are the two parties? this is what we got? It's incredible. But then it's kind of like, well, they couldn't just get a guy that talks somewhat normal or just, you know, just, I don't know.

Yeah. I mean, the biggest question around Biden, especially the way that they don't really put him out there that much is how is he mentally at that age the question is like can he keep up and you know trump's over here you know ripping riddling he looks if you go back and watch trump like 30 40 years ago he did not talk or act like this you know when he was new york hot shot realtor real estate guy in the late 80s, he was much more normal, really. And then as the years went on, and really when The Apprentice happened, he started to get way more fiery and kind of recreated his brand a little bit. I haven't listened to this yet, but I want to hear a little bit of this from, I'm just going

to play this from Twitter before I play my audio because obviously biden sounded awful for 70 of last night not just in speech but also not being able to provide any refutation of anything that trump said but then they put him out here today he's already done a speech in a rally. So let's listen. Let me close with this. I know I'm not a young man. Take the obvious. Well, I know. He already sounds better. There was like a skip in the audio.

Let's see. As I used to. But I know what I do know. I know how to tell the truth. He sounds 1,000% better. I know it'll take to bring this economy to everybody. This audio is skippy, but he does sound way better, right? Yeah, even last night, that phrase, it would have been like,

you know what it takes to make the economy better. better because for me it took about two minutes after this started to be like oh no what do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under president trump we gotta take a look at what i was left when i became president and what mr trump loved me we had an economy that was in free fall. Pandemic was so badly handled. Many people were dying. All he said was, it's not that serious. Just inject a little bleach into your arm. I was happy he brought that banger back. When Trump's up there like, I don't know, you spray cleaning solution on a counter.

It cleans that one. You just inject some of that shit in your arm. See if it'll clean you up. I fast forward a little bit here. We created 15,000 new jobs. We brought out a position where we have 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. But there's more to be done. There's more to be done.

Working class people are still in trouble. I come from Scranton, Pennsylvania. I come from a household. Okay, so this is his beginning. So he shouldn't be tired yet. His voice just sounds, it's not just that he's slurring. He's always had a lifelong stutter, but it's worse. Cognitively, it was trouble.

But the campaign said, oh, he had a cold afterward when asked about it. Does he not have it today? Yeah. That audio sounds way different. And then you do wonder, as you get older, are you different in the evening as you are in the day?

Yeah, and then... Yeah, but then I heard allegations or, you know, rumors like, oh, the reason they're holding him up for a week prepping for this is to, like, adjust his sleep schedule so he's a little more awake. Like, whatever. Okay.

Whatever they did. it's like a child school's about to start you need to get to bed early start a week early president biden uh i want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question about the national debt he had the largest national debt of any president in four-year period number one number two he got two trillion trillion tax cut benefited the very wealthy. What I'm going to do is fix the tax system. For example, we have 1,000 trillionaires in America. I mean, billionaires in America.

That's going to – he does that a lot in this – See, that's – yeah, that – The quick – the correcting what I said two seconds ago happened 100 times. Yeah. And it's funny when he said we got a thousand trillionaires. There's so many times that Trump actually says something that sounds like what my five-year-old would say. But Biden did it a lot last night. She's like, there's a thousand trillion billion. And then, yeah, then he gets into the math.

Like, oh, if we just tax them 29%, then we'll make $800 million. Which is not a great debate. All you just say is, hey, I think people at the very top of the economy don't pay enough. They don't pay their fair share. They skirt the tax code. They pay a lower effective tax rate. If we fix that and they paid what you, America, pay at home, then we'd have money to pay for all this stuff. But he's like, there's a trillion.

home that we'd have money to pay for all this stuff. But he's like, there's a trillion. See, again, that's where I thought you could just easily refute some things or just have someone that can coherently talk and you would be able to quickly say that. Trump, despite people saying or the label of he's not a politician, he's an outsider, is a fantastic politician as far as that stuff's concerned. Stay on message. He boils stuff down to just one thing and he pounds it and pounds it and he's asked something different and he goes back to

that last night it was uh the border and illegal immigration like he's asked a question about the environment he's like do you see all these brown people this is crazy. This is by far the worst moment of the night for Biden from that same clip. Make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID. Excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do

with... Look. If we finally beat Medicare... Thank you, President Biden. President Trump? Note there, when he gets lost, he runs out of time. He didn't intend to just say,

yeah, we finally beat Medicare. He was going to say a tax on Medicare or something like that. But he got everything mixed up. He lost his place. And then, yeah, see, that's the point. Yeah. And right there. You knew.

And that's a big meme, too, with Trump and his looking at him, looking over at him. Yeah. You know what was a really funny meme? I don't know if you have the audio. It's not a meme. Well, I guess it is a meme. It's just a short clip. Just watching Trump's facial expressions.

Oh, yeah. I've got that. Do you know the one I'm talking about? Yeah, when he's talking about Stormy Daniels and Trump's like straight face and he says Stormy Daniels and Trump kind of remembers it and he's like, that was awesome. But then he says, you slept with a porn star.

And he shakes his head no. And he goes, while your wife was pregnant. And he kind of gave the shrug like, and then nodded. Oh, that time. Everything we have to do with, look. But that audio sounds a little weird. I know. I don't know what's going on with that.

We finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President Trump? He's right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death, and he's destroying Medicare because all of these people are coming in. I don't know why it's doing that. I did it normal. I could see the waveforms or whatever,

but this is the first time Trump really decided he was going to mock him. There are 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally. That's better than when he left office. And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers. President Trump? I really don't know what he said at the end of this sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look.

We had the same story. I thought Trump laid off him. Yeah, for most of the night. I thought a lot of the night Trump could have done something like that. Like, what did he just say? Yeah. And that one, look, he's a master of the zinger, of the stream of consciousness type stuff. And it was kind of clear Biden was, he knows his stuff, but he wasn't able to quickly access it.

Sure. Whereas Trump probably doesn't have as much depth in the stuff that he knows he needs to access because he's got his main talking points, but he's also a little funnier. Like, he's naturally a funny guy. He is. I agree. He's just, he knows the beats. He gets humor.

He's, yeah, and then, yes, he's able to deliver a zinger on the fly, whereas I think Biden would not be able to do that unless it was he might not even be able to do it if it was well rehearsed. Yeah. And at the end of that clip there, I knew what he said because I knew what he was talking about. But trying to say asylum officers when you're having the night that you're having probably going to be swerving right into a ditch. More Border Patrol and more asylum officers. when you're having the night that you're having, probably going to be swerving right into a ditch. More border patrol and more asylum officers. I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. I always love the Trump. Like when he finishes a sentence, he does this.

Look. They got into a pissing match over the World War I memorial. That was pretty interesting. What was that? The suckers and losers. Yeah, I don't play. It's a very sad day in America. President Biden, you have the mic.

Every single thing he said is a lie. Every single one. For example, veterans are a hell of a lot better off since I passed the PAC Act. One million of them now have insurance and their families have it. Their families have it because what happened, whether it was Agent Orange or burn pits, they're all being covered now. And his group opposed that. We're also in a situation where we have great respect for veterans. My son spent a year in Iraq, living of the next one of those burned pits

and came back with stage four glioblastoma. I was recently in France for D-Day and I spoke about those heroes that died. I went to the World War II cemetery, World War I

cemetery he refused to go to. He was standing with his four-star general and he told me, he said, I don't want to go in there because there are a bunch of losers and suckers. My son was not a loser, was not a sucker. You're the sucker.

You're the loser. President Trump? First of all, that was a made-up quote, suckers and losers. They made it up. It was in a third-rate magazine that's failing, like many of these magazines. Nobody had to get a shot at the media in there. And as I said to someone this morning, it's really easy to imagine him saying suckers and losers about soldiers because we have video of him saying about John McCain,

yeah, I'd prefer my heroes not get captured. Yeah. It's exactly the sort of thing he would say. Yeah. But you could probably play that John McCain video for him and be like, I didn't say that. I think the thing about Biden, too, is I don't think anybody was voting for Biden for president. No, I'm not a fan. I think they were voting for not Trump.

Yeah, not Trump and just generally better down ballot like if Biden had gotten beat by Trump in 2016 and Hillary ran in 2020 I think Hillary could win perhaps I don't know because a lot of the blame has gone just to Hillary and really hasn't you know no one has it doesn't seem like Trump has gotten a lot of credit for winning that first time. It's that he ran against Hillary. Yeah. And they were both, you know, it was like some people's least objectionable fare or something. Where I don't know if that's accurate.

I think Trump might have won anyway. And Hillary, though, has been vilified as, well, you lost to Trump. We couldn't put you out there again. And then Biden beat Trump. But did Biden beat Trump? Because no one was ever stoked on Biden. No, not in a very long time. And he just was the guy that they thought could, you know, whatever, the machine.

And look, I'm saying all this stuff speaking out of my ass. I have zero idea what I'm talking about. So you got the political science degree. I don't know. But it just felt like I didn't vote for Biden. No, and I won't be this time, but I will be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here he went with one of his. When people are like, oh, you like your boy, Joe's boy, or Jake's boy, Biden.

I don't know that that's Jake's boy. I just think he's boy Biden. I don't know that that's Jake's boy. I just think he's, you know, not Trump. This is where we got a Joey B catchphrase. That's why you had no terror at all during my administration. By the way, that's an awesome claim. They talk about terrorism and he's like, look around. I mean, we didn't have 9-11, but we haven't had 9-11 in like 23 years. So a lot of people. No terror. No terror. We didn't have 9-11, but we haven't had 9-11 in like 23 years.

No terror. No terror. That's why you had no terror at all during my administration. This place, the whole world is blowing up under him. President Biden? I've never heard so much malarkey in my whole life. Let me relate to the kids here. Yeah, you don't want to age yourself there.

Malarkey. Poppycock. This is all about Ukraine. And of course, Trump wants to talk about Hunter, his son. And Biden wants to talk about Stormy. The idea that I did anything wrong relative to what you're talking about is outrageous. It's simply a lie, number one. Number two, the idea that you have a right to seek retribution

against any American. Oh, that's important. Trump very seriously or heavily implied, hey, if I get elected, a bunch of y'all are fucked. Because first term Trump was like, ah, you know, this guy's wheels off, but everybody was mad, oh, you know, this guy's wheels off,

but everybody was mad, but, you know, we stayed out of foreign wars. I don't know. We got the COVID vaccine. I can't stand the guy, but it was relatively calm from a policy standpoint. Everybody was just pissed off. Wait till now if he wins.

When he's been sued a million times and he's had to go to court a million times and he's just pissed off he started implying like hey you know there are a lot of people that are going to have to pay for what they've done to me the idea that you have a right to seek retribution against any american just because your president is wrong is simply wrong no president's ever spoken like that before No president in our history has spoken like that before. Number three, the crimes that you are still charged with, and think of all the civil penalties you have. How many billions of dollars do you owe in civil penalties

for molesting a woman in public, for doing a whole range of things, of having sex with a porn star on the night while your wife was pregnant? I mean, what are you talking about? You have the morals of an alley cat. Good night, sir. I didn't have sex with a porn star.

Number one. Number one. I also don't know the morals of an alley cat. That's not that. It feels very 1950s Disney movie. If not before that, yeah. Yeah. But how many debates in the past

have they had to deny having Sex and the Porn Star? I bet you could go through the Library of Congress and it would be very few. This made me perfect. Is that a dream too? Sex and the Porn Star?

That's like, I got to hit off of a... Yeah, there's a huge swath of America. Just a Verlander or something. Okay. It sounds awesome. This one made me perk up for Dan. I got to play golf with Tiger.

They're talking about Charlottesville and the protest there, of course, where there was a woman who was killed and people coming out of the woods with swastikas and the tiki torches. Did you ever think you'd hear any president say that I'm going to seek retribution? Did you ever hear any president say that I thought Hitler had some good ideas? What got me involved to run in the first place after my son had died, I decided in Iraq, because of Iraq, I said I wasn't going to run again until I saw what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

People coming out of the woods carrying swastikas on torches, torches, and singing the same anti-Semitic bio they sang when they were back in Germany. And the young woman got killed. I spoke to the mother. And they asked him, they said, what do you think of those people? The people who, the ones who got killed, the ones who tried to stop it, and the ones, he said, I think they're fine people on both sides.

Yeah. And when Trump answered, he didn't address the Hitler had some good ideas thing at all. He just addressed the fine people on both sides. And my thought on my couch, easy to say, it was like, when you get your time back,

hit him back with the Hitler good idea thing and be like, I just want to press you on that. What were the good ideas? Make him answer that part because he would have been in a pickle right there because he did say it. And if he would have said, I never said that, that's a campaign ad. But you might have made him say, you know, there were great highways or something that really would

have looked bad yeah but biden had no capacity yeah to return serve right there so trump just never had to address it um this is some economic minutiae but it i like the i like the way that trump talks about minority groups because you can tell he hasn't spent a whole lot of time in his life around people who aren't white and he doesn't really nail the vernacular he caused inflation as sure as you're sitting there the fact is that his big kill on the black people first of all the black people on the black people is the millions of people that he's allowed to come in through the border they're taking black jobs now and it could be 18 okay so the implication there is that like they're letting these you know scallywags from latin america cross the border and they're taking black jobs implying that the black jobs are the ones...

The low-level jobs, yes. Yeah, don't try to get into the corporate office up here. You're saying they're getting jobs at Google. Yeah, exactly. I don't know that Sergio is going to be up at Merrill Lynch on his second week here. I didn't see this. This must have been in the second half last night but i uh did see a meme this morning i bet i know the one was it like luca and yokich

yokich uh when trump when trump speaks 20 million people they're taking black jobs and they're taking hispanic jobs and you haven't seen it yet but you're going to see something that's going to be the worst in our history thank you president biden there was no inflation when i became president you know why the economy was flat on its back. Yeah, boring. His whole play, we know this, anything they ask him about, it was the best ever. Anything. It's incredible. So he's talking about these opportunity zones, which can help economic development in urban areas, which was a senator's idea. And he makes this claim.

He came to me with the idea, and it was a great idea. It's one of the most successful economic development acts ever in the country. Ever. Opportunity zones. And the biggest beneficiary are blacks, and that's why. Even that, you just, you either say African Americans, you say minorities, you say people of color. There's a way to say black people. Yeah, but.

But you don't go, the black people. It's not like that's gonna no no it's just funny yeah it's just if i heard a regular person just say like the blacks and the biggest beneficiary are blacks and that's why we have the best numbers with them and maybe ever they're saying ever i read this morning wherever the best numbers he's lost much of the black population. He claims to be doing the best with the black population. But I believe, I mean, some of it works. The projection of if you keep saying this is the best, then somebody is going to say, well, I heard that. And it's probably true. So probably half a dozen times they would ask Trump a question and he would just not answer it. But there would still be time left on the clock for him. So they would ask him about inflation and he would answer about immigration.

And they would follow up and say, but what is your plan regarding inflation? They would ask him about health care and he would not answer it. He would talk about immigration. And then they would follow up and say, again, Mr. Trump, the question was about healthcare and he would try to weave it all together. And this is the second time they asked him about climate change specifically. They didn't mention Green New Deal or anything. They just said climate change, the planet's warming or a point of no return or near the point of no return. This is the second time. I think she addresses that.

President Trump, will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis? So I want absolutely immaculate clean water, and I want absolutely clean air, and we had it. We had H2O. We had the best numbers ever, and we were using we had h2o we had the best numbers ever and we did we were using all forms of energy all forms everything and yet during my four years i had the best environmental numbers ever and my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before i walked on the stage actually what's the best What does that even mean?

You know, the air did get better right after COVID. Plains were grounded. Monkeys were taking over cities. Yeah. That's what he's talking about. Yeah, and that's a good point. I mean, there's a lot of stuff from his term that you have to take into account with COVID.

I would even say from Biden saying, hey, unemployment was at 18%. Well, yeah. I mean, yes. So if you look at some of the economic growth under Biden, hey, unemployment was at 18%. Well, yeah. I mean, yes. So if you look at some of the economic growth under Biden, well, yeah. But see, Trump's brilliance is, though, he's not citing statistics. He's not doing math. Right.

He's just saying it was the best ever and that's it. Where Biden then, with Biden's mind, current mind, is sitting there trying to remember exact stats to refute some certain things, and then he gets lost and it goes nowhere. Like, Trump is clearly the better politician. Yeah. And TC pointed out to me that actually water quality in the United States

has gotten better pretty much linearly since, I believe, Nixon passed the maybe Clean Air and Water Act. H2O. So if it's getting better every year, he technically did leave it at its best. Even if the growth slowed down during his time because of some of the repealing of regulations, that's technically true. It just doesn't really mean he did a good job. But then Biden can say it's the best it's ever been now. Yeah.

And they did that a couple times where they'd say, you had the biggest deficit, and now you have the biggest deficit. It's just, yeah, it's all semantics. But again, where his boastfulness and all that, I think it really works for him. Even when he was president, if the stock market was good, he would always talk about it. And then I would look and be like, oh yeah, it is pretty good.

And then it's been really good with Biden. But I never hear that. I guess because you never hear Biden. Yeah, but you could hear more from people, I guess. But you just never really... No one's pounding it over and over and over again, but it actually is like, like great it's better than it was but and if this was if trump was in charge now you would be hearing all about that here's just another example of him ducking a question and another uh crazy was the best claims president trump the question was about what would you do

to make child care more affordable if you want to take a minute just you understand we have polling we have other things that do they rate him the worst because what he's done is so bad and they rate me i'll show you i will show you and they rate me one of the best yeah who is that biden no so this is the second time they've tried to get him to answer the child care question obviously he's not gonna yeah And he says they're debating over, Biden kept citing, there were 169 constitutional scholars, or presidential scholars, who conducted a study. They all voted. They all,

however they did it, who rated him the worst president of all time. And of course, Trump says, I was the best. You were actually the worst. And so you can hear Biden going, show me. Show me. I will show you.

President Trump, the question was about what would you do to make child care more affordable, if you want to take your minute. Just so you understand, we have polling. We have other things. Other things. They rate him the worst because what he's done is so bad. And they rate me. I'll show you. I will show you.

And they rate me one of the best, okay? And if I'm given another four years, I will be the best. I think I'll be the best. All right. So, little kid. One more funny, quick one here, and then we'll have our big ender. Do you remember the name of Shane Gillis' most recent special,

the one we quote all the time? No. Beautiful Dogs. What? You know what this is? Oh, Tyra's the Netflix show. Yeah, but Beautiful Dogs is the name of the one where – and he talks about how Trump would say that. Like, you know, you go to the military and you're like, can you see these dogs, these beautiful dogs?

So I perked up big time when I heard this. They're talking about the border crisis, shocker, and fentanyl because they're talking about the opioid crisis in America.

So President Trump, you have 67 seconds left. The question was, what are you going to do to help Americans? How many of those are there? There's probably four, but the longer the night went on,

the more specific the questions got. And that's when he, but the longer the night went on, the more specific the questions got. And that's when he just has nothing. Like at the beginning, what do you say to people who are upset with him? Happy with him? Upset with you? That's general enough. Yes.

But once they start asking specific questions, they kept having to do that. About the child care tax. Child care, uh, uh, climate climate change and now the border of the border in the opioid crisis so president trump you have 67 seconds left the question was what are you going to do to help americans in the throes of addiction right now who are struggling to get the treatment they need jake we were doing very well in addiction until the covet came along we had the two and a half almost three years of like nobody's ever had before, any country in every way. And then we had to get tough.

And it was the drugs pouring across the border where it started to increase. We got great equipment. We bought the certain dog that's the most incredible thing that you've ever seen, the way they can spot it. We bought the certain dog. That certain dog.

Which is the most incredible thing. That spots the drug. It sounds like you'll play five cuts that all sound the exact same. It really was that. Hey, can you answer this question? Mexicans. No, but whatever it is, that was the best. Man, we had it.

It was the greatest. Then COVID hit. But it was so awesome before then. It'll be better next time. Yeah, that was the best. Man, we had it. It was the greatest. Then COVID hit. But it was so awesome. Before then, it'll be better next time. Yeah, that was his second pitch for sure. So this last one, go ahead, Blake. I thought you were going to say something. This last one's two minutes long, but we really have to play the whole thing.

We can stop and start it if you want because it's fantastic. What do you say to voters who have concerns about your capabilities to serve? Well, I took two tests, cognitive tests. I aced them, both of them, as you know. We made it public. He took none. I'd like to see him take one, just one, a real easy one. Like, go through the first five questions.

He couldn't do it. That's the television woman, man. Oh, yeah, dog woman, person, yeah. Say that's amazing. Yeah. Aced dog woman person yeah say that's amazing yeah ace the both give him the easy one uh because they'd already asked biden and he went through and was like hey you know you just look at what i've done and trump's just like look at look at him who cares what he's done yeah like go through the first five questions. He couldn't do it.

But I took two cognitive tests. I took physical exams every year. And, you know, we knock on wood, wherever we may have wood, that I'm in very good health. I just won two club championships, not even senior. Two regular club championships. To do that, you have to be quite smart, and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way, and I

do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. Alright, wait a second. Alright, back it up. Yeah, yeah. There's no... You have to be quite smart to win a club championship? Uh, maybe just the... I'm not familiar with the club championship. Course management? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They always talk about how it's

harder as you age to just have the mental focus for six hours. Okay, but if it's his club, is this a little Kim Jong-un action on your golf score? Yeah, of course. He's not winning anything. And it's Dustin Johnson on his team where they're not using any of Trump's shots. Yeah, yes. That's a good call.

That's small. There you go. Scramble. Quite smart, and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way, and I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match. He can't hit a ball 50 yards.

I think I'm in very good shape. I feel that I'm as in good shape as I was 25, 30 years ago. Actually, I'm probably a little bit lighter, but I'm in as good a shape as I was years, 30 years ago. Actually, I'm probably a little bit lighter, but I'm in as good a shape as I was years ago. I feel very good. I feel the same. But I was willing to take a cognitive test.

And you know what? If I didn't do well, I aced him. Dr. Ronnie Jackson, who's a great guy when he was White House doctor. And then I took another one, a similar one. Do you know who Ronnie Jackson is? There's Kemp spins on that guy, right? Yeah, for sure. I believe he was a Texas politician.

But, yeah, he got in trouble for some situations with workplace, with the ladies and alcohol use at the office and the workplace. And Jerry's secret daughter interned for him. Hmm. Yeah. Man, it's all connected. Yeah. Game span.

Yeah. That's probably on there, though. Great guy when he was White House doctor. And then I took another one, a similar one, and both, one of them said they've never seen anybody ace him. Thank you. President Biden? You can see he is 6'5 and only

223 pounds Do you remember whenever Trump put out like a medical report And had him listed that he was like 6'5, 225 It was like Tom Brady's Physical stats Yeah they put then memes would be

That athlete next to him Like I'm 6'4, 200 Does he look like he's an inch taller but just 20 pounds more than me? 25 pounds more than me? Yeah. You can see he is 6'5", and only 235 pounds. But that's the problem, is he had a zinger, and it involved numbers. And then, yeah, his tongue is mixed up with his lips.

You can see he is 6'5 and only 235 pounds. Like it's in his head. 6'4, 200. Well, anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. I got my handicap when I was vice president down to a six. Wait, what are we doing here? We're now...

Mine is bigger? Trump said he can't hit a ball 50 yards. So now we're going to... These are fighting words. All the other stuff that he threw out, he wasn't refuting. No, but now he's like... I worked really hard on my cane.

Now we're... Okay, okay, okay. Now we're, okay, this is insane. Anyway, just take a look at what he says he is and take a look at what he is. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. The reason I got my handicap, which when I was vice president, down to a six. And by the way, I told you before, I'm happy to play golf if you carry your own bag. Think you can do it?

Okay. I don't think he's the one that should be challenging that. There's no way that Joe Biden could carry his own bag from the tee box to the... Yeah. I do think Biden is somehow

physically in better shape than Trump. Okay. Just the fact that we saw him ride a bike. Now, it didn't go well. No. Well, they didn't show us the part that went well. Right. It was popping wheelies.

84 miles before that, yeah. That was like 10 years ago. Didn't the debate end up with them doing a push-up contest? I would have been surprised. Think you can do it? That's the biggest lie that you's a six-year-old. I knew it. I was an eight-year-old handicapped.

Eight? Never. I've seen you swing. I know you swing. Let's not act like children. President Trump will come to me and say, let's not act like children. To a specific concern. Wait, is Trump saying let's not act like children yeah he's Wow he

brings it and he's the one doing it this is your swing I've seen your swing though you haven't let's not act like children six handicap of all I was a handicap yeah yeah I've seen this way I you swing. Let's not act like children. Let's not act like children. To a specific concern. Wait, what did he say? You are a child? Yeah.

What was he going to say? 21 rounds? Who freaking knows, man. That's, uh... I don't know if this is real. That's where we're headed. Do you want to see a video I just see on Twitter that says Trump talking trash about Biden's swing on the course this morning? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.

This could be fake. Trump is just teeing off here wearing a Make America Great Again hat. You think Biden can do that? I don't think so. Yeah, I'm not surprised It'll never be George W. Bush Never Can you believe that just happened? Like that was last night? That was last night Arguing about the golf swing and the handicap.

Handicap and long drive. Yeah. And that's when they both really got, as you said, both really got fired up. Yeah, they both. And then, yeah, the time Biden is actually coming out with some ammunition. Yeah. I'd like to see you carry your clubs. Like, I don't think that's the one you want to challenge him to, but maybe

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