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Episode Date: June 13, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, I'm Dan McDowell, longtime professional broadcaster. Why subscribe to our Patreon podcast? Well, perhaps you support our struggle to get out from under the oppressive thumb of the man. Or objectively, if you sign up at patreon.com slash the dumb zone, you'll get the two episodes per week that are available on all podcast platforms, like this one, plus an additional two episodes each week that are exclusive to Patreon. So subscribing on Patreon gets you four episodes per week. Oh my, what a bargain. Now, on to today's program.
Starting point is 00:00:37 The Dunza, Dunza, Dunza, Dunza. Hmm. Okay, which one would be bomb? Honestly, Jeff was wrong. We're not funny. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that presupposes that Bob and Dan were, which I think is debatable.
Starting point is 00:00:57 That was not a comedy podcast. Now, though, hilarity ensues if you tune in now. You won't believe what Jake has brought to the presentation. Anyway, we are here on a day after the Mavs get bounced from the playoffs. Oh, a day after Business Wednesday, too. I don't know if everybody saw what I tweeted out. Not everybody is on the Twitter. But we were on a different podcast yesterday, and that was a lot of fun.
Starting point is 00:01:25 We were, yeah. And that's a guy, Mike Peska. His podcast is called The Gist, not... Make sure you put the T at the end of gist. And spell it with a G. Right. And an S. And not a trail. There's no trail. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:43 So we were on his show. And that was cool for me because I used to listen to him. I listened to him for many, many years. He was a writer at Slate. I feel like that helped us get off on a great start because I... I tried. Yeah. No. I thought he was impressed by you bringing up his, you know, your resume.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Well, I made it all up. Oh, you did? No. I don't know. I used to listen to his show hang up and listen which was a sports podcast published by slate and he also used to be one of the co-hosts of planet money which is something i used to listen to on npr which has had absolutely no long-term impact on my ability to handle finance i remember remember listening to that too, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Yeah. Probably because I ran the board for it. But it was fun, you know. I also listened to Click and Clack, and I can't tell you what to do with the, or like what a carburetor is. The Tapper Brothers? I don't know what a, what's a, what's a spark plug?
Starting point is 00:02:39 I was a huge, well, that's funny to me. It shouldn't be because I also don't know. Yeah. What an idiot doesn't know what a spark plug is. Tapper Brothers, man. That was a fantastic radio program. Anybody else? Click and click?
Starting point is 00:02:54 Tap it. Tap it? I thought it was Tappert. Tap it. Click and click. It's a part in the fuel injection chain. Interesting. Who's this guy? It's a part in the fuel injection chain. Interesting. Because they would do like, you know, at the end, they're like, you know, call our lawyers.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Do we screw them and cheat them or something? Do we cheat them and how? Do we cheat them and how? There you go. Okay. I loved all their bits. Anyway, none of those bits are from yesterday. No, but if you want to go listen to that show, we're going to post it on our feed this weekend.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And you can go listen to it on his feed today if you want. The gist-a. The gist-a. Yeah. Yeah, so we're here. We're expecting Adam Romo to stop by because he was... So we have our lead attorney here, and we have our star witness going to show up at some point today too we have soups cash
Starting point is 00:03:47 rachel the intern like i've never seen her looking so casual wearing the hat jake is probably pissed at that he hates ladies in hats uh that's uh i didn't say hate i simply said uh i don't find it attractive and i was not in a position where I wanted to find the intern attractive so that actually works out very well. Okay. But you, Rob, is always attractive. You look great. Thanks. I wore my fun jeans today. I couldn't find my business jeans.
Starting point is 00:04:15 There's business and fun jeans? If you remember, I had the business jeans all set out and ready to go to Austin for our thing on Tuesday. Our very highly controversial appearance. That's what I've heard. With circling back. It's what I've read.
Starting point is 00:04:30 But I've given you the info because Jake doesn't look at the soc. He's grown so much. But, yeah, so I'm wearing fun jeans today. That's why it's going to have a real good air about today's show. Okay. Because these jeans were made for having a good time. They're not the stuffy, pressed business jeans. How many pairs of jeans do you own?
Starting point is 00:04:52 Quite a few. Quite a few. But you really only consult two of them? No, you've probably seen a good four of them. Like, are two of them in the fun category and two of them in the business category? Or like how does this work? Like is there a – like Harbaugh has – Well, within fun, then you might – these might be my show jeans,
Starting point is 00:05:15 but these are my home show jeans or something. It's hard to tell, but all you have to know is I'm wearing jeans today. We're – despite the Mavs losing, I think we're feeling pretty good about today's program. Uh, I don't know if it has anything to do with it is book club Thursday night. I don't know why there's a skip in my step. It's like, Oh, what are you going to do? I don't know. Probably nothing. And that feels great. Yeah. Um, that's what my plan is for book club Thursday night. You know, uh, the, the last couple of times I've, uh, been presented with, uh, with something like this, I've started an order at like four different restaurants and then like gone to another one.
Starting point is 00:05:55 That's great. Because I'm just like, Oh, that's great. That's great. That's great. But nobody can stop me. Yeah. What if I had the most complicated cavable order of all time so i gotta tell you a story a quick quick story before we get to the mavs this is about my drive home from austin okay where i had a very long drive through a lot of traffic and weather traffic and weather together on my drive home from austin lots of phone calls were made on the on the sixes or business was done yeah yeah what did they do? Was that BAP? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Something like that. I think they still do that stuff because it's been sold. I mean, traffic in the car I get. As we've talked about, though, traffic on television in the morning I don't get. Weather I don't get really at all. However, just a couple weeks ago in this storm that ERCOT termed, or maybe it was Encore, like the worst one they've ever had. I had to use like my phone for WFAA to figure out what was going on. I had no power. I had no internet. And that's when I kind of thought, you know what? Local TV. It's on the way back.
Starting point is 00:07:07 So, you know, my wife loves the riding lawnmower. We've been over that. Yep. With Glee. She loves riding that thing. In the winter, she'll just sit on the dryer or the washing machine. But the lawnmower broke a few weeks ago in one of of the aftermaths of uh one of the big storms we've been having flooded no the lawn was uh a bit mushy and usually i would say you know hey don't or she
Starting point is 00:07:35 would even say don't go mow the lawn uh it's a little wet out there yeah uh but i think she hadn't been on it in a couple weeks was was pretty excited to get on that thing. So she's riding around. And because it was a mushy lawn, it sunk too much over a tree that we had recently cut down. And then it hit the stump and it broke the whole lawn. Like the thing fell out, the engine, the thing, whatever it's called, that makes it go. The tappet? Yeah, the tappet fell out. And so anyway, that lawnmower has been sitting in our backyard for a month.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Okay. Okay. And she's, you know, I don't know what her bit is with the lawnmower. It's her thing. But she had, I guess, scheduled a guy to come out and get it out of there. Oh, yeah. And it so happened to be. So I want to also tell you that on my way back, driving from Austin, doing a lot of
Starting point is 00:08:32 talking, doing a lot of chugging of water, as I will try and do every day. This is the third of my my quarts that I will drink throughout the day. I hope to finish the gallon by the end of the evening. So if you remember our conversation, I had actually just pulled into a gas station, filled up, and I was really crossing the legs, jumping up and down because I had to go to the bathroom, but we were having a great conversation.
Starting point is 00:09:02 So I couldn't go in and take care of that and get right back on the road, even though I was in a big – wanted to get back, you know, in a hurry. You and I talked for 10 or 15 minutes. Once that was over, then I went on my way. I didn't want to – whatever. So you delayed me by a good 15 minutes, which initially you'd be like, ah, this guy. What a jerk. Yeah. So then I get home, though.
Starting point is 00:09:29 As I pull in, my wife and lawn guy, apparently lawn guy who came to get the riding lawnmower, which was dead, he just came alone, showed up alone. Yeah. was dead he just came alone showed up alone and uh yeah uh although at my house that's not a man's the first man to experience anyway so uh yep they are and i'm beat you know the long drive the whole thing yeah just killing it on a podcast.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Just destroying that thing. So they're pushing it together. Him and your wife? Because I don't know what was wrong with it. Like, it's really big and heavy and stuff. And they're going through the backyard pushing it. And I'm like, damn, I showed up at the exact wrong time because now i got to go help but had you been there 15 minutes before so no wait so i pull in and you know take my time getting my bag out of the car
Starting point is 00:10:39 and stuff acted like i didn't see it because it was in the backyard and you know where the garage is and stuff yep and uh got out there and once I got out there they were right they were at his truck perfect had you not delayed me perfect there's no way I she would have been the one out in that backyard pushing that lawnmower it would have been me you're quite welcome and that's what I'm saying I owe you one I owe you uh an apology for apology for all the swear words I was thinking about you after being delayed. There have been times where... Damn it. What do you got going on, bud?
Starting point is 00:11:15 I don't know. Headphones in the chair? Headphones, chair. There have been times where I drove by my house and saw that a contractor was there or electrician or AC repair guy was there. Saw their truck. Kept on going. Keep going, huh?
Starting point is 00:11:34 Yeah. Just like, all right, I'm going to make six or seven more passes around the block. I don't want to deal with this guy. Like, I'm pretty sure my wife's not getting raped. We have a credit card i don't need to be there can i give you can i give you a real sad dan childhood story that you just uh pulled out of my head i really hope it's not to seeing a car there so i learned this like in in retrospect after the fact but i'm a little kid i don't know how old i was 10 9 10 11 and uh some guy showed up at our house
Starting point is 00:12:22 and mom had the kids go outside and play. And, uh, this guy's truck or whatever is in, in our driveway. Now this is pretty soon after, um, I think it's, I can't remember if it's after or during, but it, you know, the dad dad my dad moving out was around this time dad one dad two dad one is biological father gone i never met him dad two adopted me nominal dad yeah so dad two so this this truck is in our driveway and uh dad it must have been before he moved out, because dad drove up and just said, just talked to me and my brother for a second, like rolled the window down, but then kept going. And it just felt weird to me. He didn't stop in.
Starting point is 00:13:17 He just drove up, but then kept driving. He never got out of the car. I was to learn in retrospect, like that car, that guy was the husband of the lady that dad too was hooking up with and apparently he was informing mom information was being conveyed in that moment and but so he recognized the car because i guess maybe he would he's probably stopped by if the car was in the driveway at the other place and i I would learn that, you know, years later. And that's just fun. That's really, really heavy, dude.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Yeah, what are you going to do? I guess just go outside. Have a catch with your... Just try and look for Dad 3. Every guy that would come over in that revolving door that was my mom's bedroom. Almost had a lake house, though. Almost had a lake house. That would have been so great.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yep. But she opted for a different guy for dad three. But yes, if you see your wife having to deal with a service person that you don't want to have to F with. Now, if she happens to see that you drove by, you are in big trouble. Big, big trouble. Yeah. And here's how I know.
Starting point is 00:14:34 That has happened? Well, and then what you do, you know what? I was thinking vape pods are great for that. What do you mean? You can say like oh man i was out i i didn't want to have to get back out oh i didn't see the truck was there oh i didn't even know it was just that i had to turn around and go back to the gas station real quick and make sure i had pods for for tomorrow right you know i can't that's usually going to come with a follow-up of when are you gonna quit okay yeah well you'd rather deal with that exactly that's a better i didn't want to go take something off your plate as you
Starting point is 00:15:10 have two kids in there you're working on dinner dog and cat are running around and dealing with uh the service guy yeah bug man or something did i tell you about the lizard the other day mark that beth Did I tell you about the lizard the other day? Mark that, Beth. Go on. This isn't the snake. It's not. No. Because I saw the snake.
Starting point is 00:15:32 The snake I killed. Maybe I shouldn't say this since I'm at a rent house, but I feel like, whoa, you okay? Eatsies Market and Bakery. Tastes good on the way back up. Their stinger. Yeah. Yeah, like I live pretty close to where you live right now, so you know that the lizard is prominent.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Love the lizard. We got a couple of them that live out back, a man and a woman, we think. Man and a woman we think man and a woman and uh i went into the bathroom i suppose it was before we went to austin so it was either sunday it must have been sunday night and uh opened up the the i guess you'd call it a hamper laundry basket i don't know it's it's a like a thing it's like a wicker basket with two sides to it, right? Mm-hmm. His and hers. Oh, you have your own little laundry place. You don't share the laundry.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Well, I mean... A his and hers. It's the same basket, but it is divided. It is like this side is for my stuff, this side is... Okay, that's interesting. We just put all ours together. But again, we put all our money together, and we don't Venmo each other when we buy stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I mean, it doesn't really end up being that productive because a lot of times I'll open my side, and I'm like, I don't wear panties. Okay. It was just throwing all this stuff on my side. But the other day what I found was a lizard. In your hamper? Yeah, it was probably, it wasn't big.
Starting point is 00:17:06 It was probably six inches maybe. And what do you do? But it wasn't like tiny, tiny. What's your play? Walk away? Do you just kind of leave it and let it go? Figure out where it's going to go? Or do you try to get it outside?
Starting point is 00:17:21 I mean, I definitely tried to get it outside, but I started pulling clothes up. I think what i first went to do was go get a bag i thought if i could just pick it up in a bag like a piece of poop i could just throw him outside yeah but when i went back in there gone so now he just lives amongst us like i have no idea where it went uh that's okay the lizard is your friend wife was super mad about it that you couldn't find it yeah she's like so what it's just inside now yeah it'll find its way out somewhere and i you know that people say you eat like uh you eat like 20 of them a year in your sleep.
Starting point is 00:18:07 But you're right, though, Phillip. The cat. That's what I was counting on. I'm like, what the fuck are you here for if it's not to take care of this? Is the cat violent? Or is the cat pretty cool? Have you seen it attack any kind of an animal? A two-year-old boy.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, he probably deserved it. He 100% deserved it. If I remember anything about him. He asks for it and he gets answered. So, yeah, I live with a lizard now. All right.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Anyways. Have we ignored the Mavs long enough? Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do? You're going to play the Open. For the penultimate time this year. Draft. It's coming up.
Starting point is 00:18:59 What are we going to do with the draft? I don't know. I don't think they even have a pick. Are we going to live stream? I suppose't know. I don't think they even have a pick. Are we going to live stream? I suppose we could. I don't think there's like a Wimby this year. Although I did see like an 11-year-old 6'10 kid the other day in Europe. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:19:17 Yeah. Like fifth, sixth grade. He's just shooting threes and he's almost seven feet tall. So that'll be fun when he's on the Thunder in three years. Do you think the NBA will ever be able to draft players that are 11? Would that be fun? Would you like that? I mean, it sounds crazy, but that's essentially what European academies do, right?
Starting point is 00:19:40 Like they do it with soccer and with basketball. I mean, that's what Luka did. He moved to Madrid. That's because they are truly capitalist in the way they run their leagues. Yes. As opposed to a much more capitalist society of, of America. But,
Starting point is 00:19:57 but no, I mean, they're in a bad spot, obviously. I almost hope they just get it over with, you know. However, we have talked, though, I've talked, that I do believe, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:15 the eight seed beating a one seed is more prevalent than it ever has been. I think there is more parity at the top of basketball than there ever has been. Usually, you know, the old days, it was one team was so much farther away, you know, better than the other teams. Definitely. And I do think we will see in the next decade, that gives me a lot of runway.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Boy, you're going full Stan Van Gundy here. That we will see a team come back from 3-0. In the finals. Just a team come back. Let's just start with saying. I suppose it would actually be more likely in the finals because it's more likely that the two teams are evenly matched. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Whereas like a first round 1-8 matchup, that's like a massive disparity in talent and roster composition, and that's probably never going to happen. Now, the problem is it does not look that these two teams are evenly matched. It looks like Boston is so far and away better than the Mavs. And, you know, I thought, I mean, just where they kind of got back in it yesterday was the bench play, you know? Of which team?
Starting point is 00:21:32 The Mavs. Like, I thought Boston got back in it kind of in that first quarter when subs started coming in the game. It's like, oh, okay. Well, boy, that Boston bench. I thought role players are supposed to suck on the road. That's what I've always learned. And their role players were not.
Starting point is 00:21:48 They got some guy named Xavier Tillman. He'll give you 12 minutes. Who hits a three out of nowhere. Yeah. They've got the little white guys. They definitely have little white guys. Like Pritchard angers me. Of course he does.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Sam Houser. Who the hell is Sam Houser? I'm having a deal with this guy now? He's doing stuff. Like you got enough problems on that team without these guys. Yeah, and your guys are giving you nothing. Now, we may have been responsible for the Game 3 loss. Because both of us were like, not try tim hardaway and then he was effing terrible
Starting point is 00:22:32 and the only way they got back into the game is like the 20 to 2 run they went on literally started the second the kid was like i've seen enough so so that might have not been our best on one hand yes we both did it say that and i think a lot of people were thinking it and obviously jason kidd is a big listener however when you see it's not really going well you might want to pull the plug a little earlier do you yeah no i mean like even dante exum they're giving him a little taste in fact dante exum showed a little something yeah and is that what made kids say ah it's enough i don't want you stealing all the Dante Exum, they're giving him a little taste. In fact, Dante Exum showed a little something. Yeah. And is that what made kids say, ah, it's enough.
Starting point is 00:23:08 I don't want you stealing all the thunder from everybody. Dante Exum looks too small to have really been too effective, but he did a little something. Jaden Hardy. Like, Jaden Hardy will get like three minutes, and kids are like, all right, maybe we see what we can do. Yeah, you kind of give it a shot. If you see that they're hot or whatever, let's ride that.
Starting point is 00:23:23 But how about if you see the opposite? Yeah, they rode hard away for... He played more than Derek Jones. He did. He did. And then Maxie, kind of the same thing. I feel like his usefulness has waned
Starting point is 00:23:39 quite a bit. Just think that those guys were kind of really big parts of their playoff team a couple years ago. Not only were kind of really big parts of their playoff team a couple years ago. Not only were those guys a big part of their playoff team, Reggie Bullock, if I'm not mistaken,
Starting point is 00:23:53 is currently unemployed. He might have been picked up by somebody after being waived a couple times. Really? Damn. Dude, he was playing 44 minutes a game.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Absolutely, yeah. He was the 3 and D guy. Right there with Dorian. And now nobody really even wants Dorian for anything more than, you know, pennies on the dollar. And those were the four guys that they had with Luka at that time. So it's better now. Incredible.
Starting point is 00:24:22 It's definitely better now, and that's why they've advanced further than they had before but they're still too over leveraged on the fact that they don't have anybody outside of Kyrie and Luka that can create their own offense maybe Jaden Hardy becomes that guy PJ tries it a little bit he had a little bit of bounce last night it wasn't but he also like is the type of player where the second he's like it's pj time i'm like oh yeah let's i don't know i don't know i feel like this is gonna go poorly yeah yeah and it usually does um i do have some probably unfounded hope that derrickively turns into like a stretch five.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And that's really just because I watch him like making 30 out of 33s in practice, which I understand we've all been fooled by that before, but I think he's a star. I think he is going to be an absolute star. Yeah, and if he's getting a lot of open looks out there, that'll be one thing, you know? Yeah, for sure. I mean, if you have the ability to not only roll but pop, and he's already proven his rim-running roll game to be super effective,
Starting point is 00:25:34 which is actually something they got back to last night early, if he could shoot it, all of a sudden he's an all-NBA candidate. But at the end of the day, if you're going to get 60 plus points from Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum Derek White obviously
Starting point is 00:25:52 way better than whoever the Mavericks third best player is and that's before you even get to Drew Holiday who only scored 9 points last night but was super super efficient all the way around offensively and defensively and defensively, and the Mavericks don't have that.
Starting point is 00:26:08 They get outcoached. Boston had 55% of their shots last night come from three, and none of them felt forced or like were heaving to get back into this game. It felt like, and I think Doris and JJ pointed this out a couple times, it felt like because they weren't even having to dribble the ball. and JJ pointed this out a couple times, it felt like because they weren't even having to dribble the ball. They were just whipping it around from side to side,
Starting point is 00:26:31 from wing to top to wing, and then there's an open shot. When Derek White hit that three off the glass and it rattled in, that's where I wrote down, we lost. That's your bid. We lost. We lost. But the Mavs actually did get back in it. Yeah. So you get back in it, and I'm going to jump around
Starting point is 00:26:54 because there's other things that happened that we have to talk about. But let's say when Luka does foul out, you've already seen what Tim Hardaway has done or not done in that game. How did you feel when it's like, hey, Lucas fouled out, let's bring in Tim Hardaway at this point? I don't know what their other answer is. You've got to go Hardy. You have to.
Starting point is 00:27:21 It would have to be better. I mean, at that point, to be honest with you, what I wanted was for literally no one else to touch the ball but Kyrie. How about when... I can't remember if I said this at the start, but it was definitely before we started talking. When my daughter saw me this morning and was like, Hey, why were you yelling last night?
Starting point is 00:27:43 The biggest yell I had was when luca fouled out uh and i'm not proud of this at all but i yelled it's fucking kairi time uh it turned out it really wasn't um i mean that was your only option it had to be yeah if it was going to be anything i just had this image in my mind of like, dude, we're down 2-0. Kyrie's there. He doesn't have that many possessions, but he only has a few points to make up. Like, he is about to make his legacy right now. It would have been, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:20 But, as you said, also the Celtics and Joe Mazzulla knew that as well. 104-98 with 22 seconds left, so not much chance still. But Boston trying to foul, another good coaching decision to just do that. You don't usually want people to score with the clock not moving at that time, but they couldn't afford to give up a three. The foul wasn't called. Really weird. As would be an argument, I'm sure, for many Mavs fans today
Starting point is 00:28:49 on fouls not being called on certain people. But the foul not called on Hardaway, so he has the most wide-open shot anybody could ever have. And, man, I hope that's the last shot we ever see taken from Tim Hardaway. That would be appropriate, I think. You wanted that to be his... He just clanked that off. A month before now.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I mean, it wasn't even close. Like the Zeke last possession. Yeah, yeah. Where he's playing center. Yeah. Because I don't think they will. But they could release him before game four. Before game four?
Starting point is 00:29:23 Yeah, would that just inspire the team? I had not considered that possibility. It might, though. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, what stands out for you from him yesterday? Was it the missed open three and then Boston coming right back down to make... He had this one series, or one sequence where he misses a wide open three.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Long rebound. Boston comes down, buries a three. And on the next possession down, Hardaway drives to the basket. I'm going to try that because I can't hit my three. He gets it blocked, and in transition, Boston drives to the basket and dunks. It was just like Hardaway keeps giving them the ball right in the pocket, right where they need it to uh to score this is great that was the third uh the third quarter where boston just came out like nuts made their first six shots i think seven maybe i don't know yeah i mean it
Starting point is 00:30:18 was a it was a very strange game where the mavs were up one at half and luca only had one foul game where the Mavs were up one at half and Luca only had one foul and he fouls out he like with ample time left not like on the last possession so at that point you're thinking like all right well and man I can't remember if it was his fourth or fifth but one of them was just so so dumb like Boston had just gotten a rebound and was looking to get out in transition. Was it the reach around trying to poke the ball away? Because he'll get that one. That one was the one on Jalen that I thought was a little questionable. Brown might have hooked him a little bit.
Starting point is 00:30:59 This one I'm thinking of is either four or five. It was not questionable at all. He's underneath the opposition's basket. They grab a rebound, and he just hugs a guy. It's like, dude. Yeah, if he's going to foul, it should be close to them scoring a basket. Yeah, and to be honest, you know what I'd rather you do? Just yell at the ref and sit the possession out.
Starting point is 00:31:22 They're probably going to score either way, but now you're one step closer to being disqualified from the competition. Do you think he saw that little thing from game... Maybe it was even game one, just the montage of him being a matador, guys just blowing by him? Didn't 20 guys blow by him during the game?
Starting point is 00:31:42 Yeah, I mean, he probably did see it because i think all these guys see everything but he has been absolutely atrocious defensively in this series and then when you have five fouls do you say okay i now i'm going to be a matador yeah uh or do i be yeah like no i'm going to yes i want to i want to let you go rather than like that's when he gets the blocking file i'm gonna hip check you at the three-point line. All right, let me say this about ESPN, too. So a couple minutes before that, he got his fifth foul where he was hooking the arm,
Starting point is 00:32:16 and he was complaining, like yelling to kid, challenge that. Doris says, oh, it's a timeout. They're challenging that. I was very confused by that. They go to break. They come back. They don't even mention it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:28 They don't even act like it happened. They never said it was his fifth foul. They didn't say they didn't challenge it. They just kind of go on. And now, about a minute later, he gets a foul. And they go, oh, that's his sixth foul. Wait, wait, no, that's his sixth foul. And they're going to challenge it. And then they go right to break, of course. Like, this is how they deal with these challenges. Wait. Wait. No. That's a six foul. And they're going to challenge.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Wait. They're going to challenge. And then they go right to break, of course. Like, this is how they deal with these challenges. Yeah. ESPN, man. God, they suck. I feel like they should just let McAfee do everything.
Starting point is 00:32:55 He's so awesome. Yeah. Let's have him. He's the best. You know, he's making money. He's wearing the T-shirt. Got a chain. You got AJ Hawk next to him.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Yeah, whatever else he does, I'm not really sure. Speaking of ESPN, do you want to play a little bit of this Windhorst that has made news? Sure. I'm going to play it either way. Yeah, I thought it was rhetorical. Yeah. So this is from Scott Van Pelt, who does SportsCenter after the game.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Not a bad watch. Not my favorite. I feel like SVP's become a little too, like, if like a 50-year-old were in Dude Perfect. Trust me. Somehow that just makes sense without me having to explain it. But now he's got Wendy on. Also going to tell you this,
Starting point is 00:33:45 for the first time in a long time, I feel like Wendy lost a little weight. Did he really? Because if you recall, one of the main things that I respected about him over the 15 years that I've known who he was, it's that everybody was like, you're going to be on TV today.
Starting point is 00:34:02 You're going to be on TV tomorrow. You're going to be on TV this weekend. And he was like, I'm going to be on TV today. You're going to be on TV tomorrow. You're going to be on TV this weekend. And he was like, I'm going to be fat. Yeah. He's at no point. He's zigging. At no point was he like, what have I gotten in shape? And usually.
Starting point is 00:34:15 I love that. When people work in that, you know, when you work in sports, usually you're around everybody else's kind of shape. You're around bros. What's your workout routine? And you're on TV. When you add all that together And he's just like, no. He's got time. He's got a gym. He's got everything.
Starting point is 00:34:33 And he just has never shown any interest into it until apparently this diabetes drug became more. Oh, it's Ozempic. Luca and Kyrie combined for actually more than Tatum and Brown did, but Luka fouls out late. I just wonder your reaction to that whole sequence.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Yeah, I thought it was perfect that Luka fell onto the ground there in an unacceptable position to put himself in with four minutes left with five fouls and then immediately looks at the bench and says, you better bleeping challenge it as if it's the bench's fault that he just made a terrible play. I'm standing here in the Mavericks tunnel. Over there is the Celtics tunnel. That's where the winners are.
Starting point is 00:35:11 If Luka's ever going to be a winner coming out of this tunnel here, he is going to have to use what's happened in this finals as a learning experience. His defensive performance is unacceptable. He is a hole on the court. The Celtics are attacking him. They are ahead in this series because they have attacked him defensively. And you've got a situation here where Luka is complaining about the officiating. They have begged him. They have talked with him. They have pleaded
Starting point is 00:35:33 with him. He is costing his team because of how he treats the officials. He's a brilliant player. He does so many things well. They are here because of how he did. His performance in this game is unacceptable and the reason why the Mavericks are not going to win. He's got to get over this. And the fact that he came out after the game and blamed the officials showed me he's nowhere close yet. So maybe over the summer, somebody will get to him because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has.
Starting point is 00:35:56 And that's where the Mavericks are at this point. They're never going to get to this tunnel with the trophy if he doesn't improve those aspects of his game. Ryan Wenthorst, I'll leave it right there. I appreciate your time, and hopefully we'll talk again this series. Do you think we get to a Game 5 Monday or no? I'm very interested to see what Luka does on Friday. The 18th banner is coming to Boston.
Starting point is 00:36:18 The duck boats are getting loaded up at some point. I want to see how Luka reacts because he owes his team a better performance in Game 4. Whoa. You know, I'm not mad to see how Luka reacts because he owes his team a better performance in game four. Whoa. You know, I'm not mad at you, Luka. I'm just disappointed. I don't know if that's like the take-ification of ESPN because like Windhorse didn't really used to be that guy.
Starting point is 00:36:39 He's like a reporter. Yeah. Like, I mean, he's got a podcast. He writes columns where he's like pretty somewhat critical of teams and their coaching and their general managers but i've never heard him go that hard so i don't know if it's just that bad or it's the take a vacation or a combination of both but i can promise you when he says they've talked to him they've begged begged him, they've pled him. He's not saying that unless someone has told him that. Not a guy who I think makes things up.
Starting point is 00:37:11 No, that was about the officials. About the yelling at the officials. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Can't really plead a guy to be better defensively. Well, he did say in there, like, Boston is winning this series because of Luka's defense, and I don't think I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:37:24 I don't think I agree with that. I don't think I agree with that. However, he has been absolutely hunted. Yeah. And that's what a team with five good players can do to you. A team with two good players, three good players, we'll hide him. We can figure this out. But if you have five, six guys who can be on the court
Starting point is 00:37:42 at any time when Luka's out there that are solid offensively and can create off the bounce, they'll find you. And if they don't find you, they'll find Kyrie. And then that's possibly why you're seeing Luka get, you know, wearing down by the end of these games. And then he gets pissed off. Because, number one, he's got to do about everything offensively.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Yeah. Because they're not letting him use the rest of his teammates. And then, yeah, they're making him work as hard as he could ever work defensively. And that's when he gets mad. And then he gets mad, and then he commits stupid fouls. Yeah. And they complain. Now, part of his complaining is,
Starting point is 00:38:21 I truly believe he gets beat up more than someone who is not his size who plays a similar game. You know, like... Definitely. He gets fouled a lot. And he has true gripes about not getting some calls. I think he gets about the worst whistle a superstar has had in my entire time of watching the NBA. Like, if there were two things that I would want to point out
Starting point is 00:38:46 that I think are heavily biased, I saw a lot of people last night saying that they thought Doris was anti-Dallas. I don't really have a broadcaster gripe other than I don't think she's very good anymore. But I do think the referees, just with Luka, not like with the Mavs in general,
Starting point is 00:39:06 but I think the way that he plays, he does not get officiated well at all for a player of his caliber. I agree. And part of it is just his size, too. And that weird stop-start stuff, that just is confusing. Right. But it's what gets him fouled. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:26 That's how you can trick people. But yeah, I mean, I think that in general, the NBA does not know how to officiate him properly. And it doesn't help because then he's just going to bitch about it yeah so the jumping around that I wanted to do I can't believe at the time and I'm still really haven't I mean I guess I didn't listen to the post games and stuff but so they are making an enormous run. They're coming back. I don't even know what the run ended up being.
Starting point is 00:40:14 I know it was after a PGA 3 that was a 17-2 run at the time. Yeah, 22 was the total run. 22-20-2? Mm-hmm. I noted there, Luke, that's another place where Luke was getting fouled, not called. Kyrie gets fouled, not called. Kyrie gets fouled on a three. He cuts it to three with three free throws.
Starting point is 00:40:33 So it's 93-90, 6-11 left. And as you know, I'm not huge on the existence of momentum, but I do acknowledge that there are runs, and I do acknowledge that I like when kid will call a timeout if the other team is on a run um it was pretty deflating that kid had to call a timeout like was it after the oh yeah it was uh the start of the fourth Boston starts with two free threes and kid calls a quick timeout and I'm thinking well what is he telling him they just had a whole quarter break yeah and one minute later we talk, what is he telling him? They just had a whole quarter break. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:06 And one minute later. What did we talk about then? Yeah. Remember what I just said? Like, we had five minutes to implement our plan. Okay. So, this is going to be. You know where I'm going here? Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Yeah. So, now, you know, they're on a big run. And this is the definite spot where Boston would call a timeout if they were able to. But they weren't able to because, you know, they kept missing shots and the Mavs would get the rebound. So Boston misses a shot with 5.25 left. The Mavs are down three.
Starting point is 00:41:41 And Jason Kidd calls a timeout. And it looked like L kind of went nut. Like, whoa, wait, what? I just got the ball. We're ready to push it up.
Starting point is 00:41:49 We're making every shot. Yeah. We're stopping. We're getting a stop on every possession. It was super. We're not stopping this. And kid is the one who called the timeout. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:02 So this was, this was going to be my ender, but since he was asked about to be my ender, but since he was asked about it as the ender of his press conference, I'm going to play this for you now. They waited until the end? Yeah. It feels like that was a pretty significant thing.
Starting point is 00:42:15 It was, however. I guess Luka fouled out. That's important, too. The Luka foul out, how are you going to come back from down 3-0, etc. So this is a question about a terrible move by jason kidd but unfortunately the question is so terrible that it almost overshadows the decision coach kid noah weber of the smoking cuban there in the second by the way i just want to note
Starting point is 00:42:38 they're just credentialed they credential like a ton of digital outlets now it's called the smoking cuban it's a website i'm sure they have fine writers there it's not like i've always written for the new york times yeah but yeah coach kid noah weber of the smoking cuban there in the second half y'all on that big run and you called that time out i was curious as to your reasoning behind that and how do you balance wanting to get your guys some rest but also wanting to keep the momentum of the run right now not a terrible question okay you're you're bringing up a questionable decision and saying well he also tried to answer it with the second part of his question just that first part's good enough yeah but i feel like he's at least providing
Starting point is 00:43:20 the option of like what are the what is the logic behind the way that you decided like do we need rest anticipating his answer yeah uh what time out and i think it's the in the fourth at what at the end of the fourth i think it was well what during the run i called a couple timeouts okay the one that was at the end of the 20 to2 run. I called a couple timeouts. Okay, the one that was at the end of the 20-2 run? When we missed the two shots. To be honest, I don't remember what happened before it. I just know it was a timeout. That's tough. Okay, so you can tell.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Like, we're about to have... Yeah, let's get your notes straight, bro. You got to have the notes straight because this guy... If I'm putting Jason Kidd on the hot seat, I better be ready to go back and forth because he's going to. He's not going to sit there and nod and go, yeah, man, I made a big mistake. You're right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:13 And, like, I'm not saying I've done this at this level by any means, but, like, this isn't happening to Timmy Mack. And when Kidd says that's tough, he's not talking about the timeout he's talking about the failure of this reporter yeah it's tough that you don't have your to be honest i don't remember what happened before i just know it was a timeout that's tough why are you guys laughing because now the rest of the press room is laughing well Well, he's laughing too. And Kidd knows it's funny. Yeah. But he's doing the like, well, what's funny here, huh? Yeah. When it's clearly just him.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Why are you guys laughing? I asked what timeout was it? I called a couple timeouts. You gotta do better. Right. And we missed the three. Thank you. We missed the three and we missed the kai's pull-up and it's a one possession game so that's that's why we called the timeout um we exerted a lot of energy on the defensive end and offensive end so that's that's why we called the timeout
Starting point is 00:45:17 thanks for clarifying that way to step up thank you you, Coach. Thanks. All right. Terrible answer, though. Way to step up. No, it was a terrible answer, but... That's why? Because you missed two shots. You missed two shots, and you were really tired from playing defense. Keep it rolling, bro. Three, and you had erased a 21-point deficit over the last 18 minutes of real-life time.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But that guy... That's where they call the timeout. Of course. And is this, was this a, hey, I got to use a timeout before I lose it or? I think it was a use it or lose it, but you don't always have to use it. No, that's the thing. Sometimes you can just lose it. Like you're, you're, you're creating a run here and like things are going well.
Starting point is 00:46:00 And I'm yelling at my TV and my daughter's hearing me. That means things are going well at this time. Somewhere, somebody taught him about use it, lose it. And he's like, that is what I'm doing. And he does it. And then he got praised for it. You know, I'm sure we even were probably surprised he started doing that stuff. The way he implements Luca Rest.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, just him going, that's tough. Gotta do a better job and step up. And that was the end of the press conference. There were a couple other things too. These are both really kind of like on Luca Fowl type stuff. Like I said, I would have liked to end with that one, but we were already there.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Luca 6, what did you think of that? They called a foul. Okay, so are you already just... They called a foul. I was stuck. I had to challenge it. So I had to challenge because it was a close call. But the referee called it a foul.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Just got to move on, move forward. Got to move forward. Okay. And then this is on the challenge, I believe on the hook call that you referenced earlier that they didn't make I mean Elhassan Media, Metal Ark Media
Starting point is 00:47:31 Coach, was there any discussion about Lucas' fifth foul? I'm challenging that when Jalen Brown hooked and if not why not? Maybe we should have challenged all of them Okay Aren't you clever? About challenging the fifth foul, why wouldn't we Maybe we should have challenged all of them. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I mean, you're going to ask that question about challenging the fifth foul. Why wouldn't we challenge them all? Well, I mean, just because. It seemed because Brown hooked him. It looked like there was a hook there. Yeah, looks can be deceiving. What an a-hole. That's all he's got.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Yeah. I'm not a challenge hole. What, are we going to challenge the third one? No, how about just the ones you think possibly could be overturned? Yeah. And, you know. Not like. Not, you know, not if Dante Exum gets a foul. 95% of them.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Yeah. How about if Luka Doncic. Yeah. You're in the fourth quarter and he gets his fifth foul. And the broadcast even. The broadcast. Yeah. How about if Luka Doncic, you're in the fourth quarter, and he gets his fifth foul? And the broadcast even has noticed it to a point where they're like, they should probably challenge this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:34 And then you come back from break, and Jason Kidd's like, why don't I challenge all of them? Why can't I challenge your fouls too? Yeah, did you make a foul? It's just so, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's like with Jerry. Nothing he says actually matters, but I do get very annoyed just listening to his past the buckness. But at the same time, dude, and that's why I had a really hard time writing about this this morning because it's frustrating.
Starting point is 00:49:00 I broke a remote control. My daughter heard me yelling. I'm mad at Luca. But at the same time, dude, they made it to the finals, and they lost to the Celtics. Yeah, and that's for something. The Celtics are a GD machine. They won 64 games.
Starting point is 00:49:18 They have the number one or number two offense and defense. They have two all-NBA players. The odds makers who always know what they're doing. They don't build those casinos for free, Dan. That's right. That's a dad's statement for sure, right? Your dad has absolutely said that to you a thousand times. This was a very lopsided, one of the most lopsided odds in NBA history.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah. Certainly in like the modern era type thing. The 2011 Mavs had better odds going into that series against the Heat, and we think that was astronomical odds. Correct. But it wasn't compared to this. So, yes, the fact that they are down 0-3 might be a little surprising, certainly concerning, but in the end, and it will be a thing where, hey,
Starting point is 00:50:13 Boston has been taking steps and this is the logical conclusion to that, but kind of the way the Mavs slash Luka have been taking steps to get to the finals. Whereas, you know, Minnesota, that was like they showed up. They were happy to be. Yeah. And the Mavs are now in the spot where they're happy to be in the finals. A couple of ESPN things to end our Mavs talk. Is this a dirty sound?
Starting point is 00:50:48 They still haven't missed here on the third. And Dallas essentially went to a zone there. But again, it's Luka Doncic getting beat off. I'm going to tell you something, okay? This is just a little behind the scenes i heard that and thought this is not good enough for me to pull and play when he said beat off the dribble and i yeah i was like i i had the audio on my computer i did the fade and i listened to it and i added in some more crowd noise i heard a little bit at the end there yeah but i but I actually heard that live, pulled the audio, and thought, meh.
Starting point is 00:51:27 At first, I thought that, too. I thought, Dan would think this sucks. So I didn't pull the audio. And now here we are. This surprised me. Now, you know Mike Breen is trying to be a cool guy calling Doris DB. But he's bringing out something different here, and it gave me some information I didn't know.
Starting point is 00:51:52 Here in game three, the Celtics have quieted the crowd. They've opened up a 21-point lead with a dominant second half. Jonathan Clay Reddick, you have something to say? Mike, I think tonight is a great example of trust what you do. What? He said Jonathan Clay Reddick, you have something to say? Mike, I think tonight is a great example of trust what you do. What? He said Jonathan Clay Reddick. And so I was like, what did he say? What are they doing that for?
Starting point is 00:52:13 Huh? So what's his middle name? Apparently his middle name is Clay. Hey. And yes, so I thought, wait, what did he say? And then I went I thought, wait, what did he say? And then I went to Wikipedia, and yeah, his name is Jonathan Clay Reddick. For some reason, his name is JJ.
Starting point is 00:52:33 So that surprised me. But can I be JJ? I guess so. Can you be DD? Your middle name is M, right? Can he be PP? I suppose so. No, that's really weird.
Starting point is 00:52:44 That surprised me. It's weird on two fronts. It's weird that that's his name, and it's weird that Mike Breen would randomly decide to provide that information. Like, he's been around for 25 years. Right. Yeah, that's strange. Jot of a theoretical. This was the...
Starting point is 00:53:01 It was a game six note that he decided he needed to get to it. Oh, you know what? You might be right. You do see that sometimes in these games where you're like, got to dump the bag. Yeah, Phillip said, the mic wasn't on yet, he said it was a game six note. Yeah, it might be like...
Starting point is 00:53:18 He's got a bunch of things I want to work in during this series. Before you or I go on vacation, you're just like, all right, well, everything that I've had for like a week and a half, we have to do that during this series. Before you or I go on vacation. Yeah. And we're just like, all right, well, everything that I've had for like a week and a half, we have to do that now. Yeah. Yeah. This was the sounds of the game, which was Joe Mizzoula at halftime.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Joe Mizzoula hired at the age of 35? Damn. He had a, I mean, he's a great coach. Just another guy to make me feel like a failure yeah i for whatever reason well i guess i know the reason uh the coaches who are younger than you make me feel like way more of a failure than the players like oh yeah i can see myself kind of being mike mcdaniel yeah you could never. I was a skiing guy. You can't be Tyreek Hill.
Starting point is 00:54:07 My Madden playbook was awesome. Right. Anyway, here was his halftime, which just shows, you know, you think our halftime speeches, like, do they send you screaming out of the locker room? We are getting great shots. We are getting great shots. We have to fight for great shots.
Starting point is 00:54:25 To one point, yeah, on the road. We are getting great shots. We have to fight for great shots. It's a one-point game. On the road. All right? We got to play even. All right? We got another level in to us. We got to fight to do it. We got to get to that level.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Let's get it. Let's go. Together. One, two, three, together. Just even the, like, one, two, three, together. Like, the whole crowd, they don't care. They're not screaming. You know, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:54:42 They're not yelling. Obviously, I know coaches do a lot like they help with development they help with install they help with scheme they help with techniques and tactics i feel like we have way way past the point if there was ever a utility for it for needing those sorts of talks. Like every time they show kid doing it, I'm just like, who's listening to this?
Starting point is 00:55:10 I'm like, what are the, what is their reaction to it? Like I, I remember in high school because as, as I've told you, like we would get our brains beat in and we'd be like in there at halftime and it's like 34 to seven. And he's like, you know, trying to give this rah-rah thing, and it's like, dude, we all know what the fuck is about to happen.
Starting point is 00:55:31 They're going to put up 30 more. We might kick a field goal. But your coach had seen a lot of movies. You know that too. And it's just like, why are we even in here listening to you yell like this? Everyone knew. It just feels like the biggest charade ever. And to do it at the professional sport level,
Starting point is 00:55:50 where everybody's making $10 to $50 million a year, it's just weird to me they even try to fake it. What if we got Michael Irvin in there to pump up the team? Would that help? Might be the exception I'd be willing to offer you. Okay, now I'm so glad you didn't watch the halftime show. And not many people do, from what I understand. I don't watch much of the ESPN halftime show, no.
Starting point is 00:56:14 TNT, I'm there. But ESPN, it's probably not happening. Okay, so here's an illustration why. So they get dragged, I guess, online for very short segments. Yeah, too much commercials. Or too many commercials, rather. I'd like to play you, this is their entire second segment. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:36 So they had the first segment, they threw it around the horn, they go to break, five minutes of spots. This is their entire second segment before five more minutes of spots. The entire segment. Okay, got it. Welcome back to the Kia Halftime. Let's check out our Kia Halftime highlights here, Paul George. Kyrie Irving had his fifth career 20-point half in the finals.
Starting point is 00:57:04 What did you see from him? What did you see from Kyrie? I just see Kyrie Irving had his fifth career 20-point half in the finals. What did you see from him? What did you see from Kyrie? I just see Kyrie just being aggressive. They're going to need a little bit more of that in the second half. This halftime report is presented by the electric remote Kia EV9. Are you kidding me? It's like they didn't even know, like, the dude wasn't teed up that they were going to, like. Hey, are you talking to me?
Starting point is 00:57:31 She said, this is our halftime highlights. Yeah. It was Kyrie shooting one shot. And it was like slow motion. And the whole report was 15 seconds. The big voice, welcome back. Right. To our Kia Soul halftime show.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Let's look at the time between the big voice open and the big voice close. That's amazing. That is. Welcome back to the Kia halftime. Let's check out our Kia halftime highlights here, Paul George. Kyrie Irving had his fifth career 20-point half in the finals. What did you see from him? What did you see from Kyrie?
Starting point is 00:58:14 I just see Kyrie just being aggressive. They're going to need a little bit more of that in the second half. 13 seconds. This halftime report is presented by the all electric three row Kia EV9. There are absolutely division three college broadcasts that do a better hit than that. Like she tees it up and then he's like, what am I supposed to talk now? When? What?
Starting point is 00:58:41 What did you see from Kyrie? Being aggressive, I guess. I'm getting a coffee and a hot dog over here. What? What did you see from Kyrie? Being aggressive, I guess. He's playing. I'm getting a coffee and a hot dog over here. What are you asking me for? I mean, you're here for the halftime. Good God, that's bad.
Starting point is 00:58:54 Man. Did you pick up any... Do you have any more? No. Okay, did you pick up any... People think that Doris and what was his full name? JJ, John, Clay, something. pick up any people think that doris and uh what's what was his full name jay john clay something
Starting point is 00:59:09 jason clay john clay you shut up something yeah i got mama called him i got two emails and one tweet from people that think that they're uh stop that think that they're flirty. Their sexual tension? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not picking that up. Is it just because... I bet Breen wants to hit that.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Hit that? What, bro? I thought we were hanging. Oh, no, man. I'm going to challenge that. Why don't I challenge everything? Yeah, all right. You know, I took acting classes when I was younger.
Starting point is 00:59:55 What? It shows. Yeah, I was in acting class at Duke. I took theater and I took drama. And I used to go and watch the plays, you know, on my spare time. I used to go watch them rehearse. So I was really cool with the drama teacher over there, a theater teacher. And when I started doing some of those shorts with Drew, I had no idea it was going to turn into that, bro. None. I had no idea. I didn't. All I was thinking about was going out there and being old and just having fun and having
Starting point is 01:00:29 endorsement. And that was cool. I wasn't thinking about the longterm, like, yo, this could turn into an actual fricking movie. And, you know, we fast forward from doing all those shorts and I saw how many hits we were getting online. It was like, bro, I don't know if people know that's still me. Like, bro, people like to differentiate. Like, yo, he's going Uncle Drew tonight. Like, what does that mean, bro? I'm the same. You're listening to the Doom Zone. Like, that's the guy that we're loving i know
Starting point is 01:01:09 the guy we're in love with now we spent segment after segment after segment i think i called him he's like a a dumb guy that somebody convinced was smart which i suppose you could apply to either one of us, although I don't know that anybody's done, like, a ton of convincing on that front. But he sounded to me, when he used to talk like that, like every guy I knew. Thank you. Every guy I knew in San Marcos at, like, 1230 in the morning. Baked.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Kind of smart. Yeah. But just, like, you know, a few bong rips in. And they're just like, dude, have you ever thought about like the theory of relativity? I'm like, I don't know. I guess I'm going to have to look. I was thinking more about Joe Thomas and his Hall of Fame chances. That's right.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. Uncle Hotmail. Hey, Uncle Hotmail. Uncle Hotmail. Hey, Uncle Hotmail. Uncle Hotmail. Shout out to Prophets and Outlaws. Indeed. We need to do something with them again.
Starting point is 01:02:14 I know Video Man wants to. He loves it. We have a consistent stream of people who are really good lawyers, really good at business, and really good at music who listen to the show. Yeah. And I think in every case it makes them feel like, well, my stuff doesn't suck. Right. We just know.
Starting point is 01:02:36 As bad as theirs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll set the bar low for you. That's how I approach marriage. That one hit a little too hard for you right there. One non-birthday email.
Starting point is 01:02:57 And a lot of people wanted their birthday read. And we're going to do that. And as usual, on a Thursday now. Today's Thursday. Yep. You get a lot of them because we didn't do a show yesterday. And you get the late scragglers from, uh, scragglers?
Starting point is 01:03:10 Is that a thing? Someone coming late? It's mostly stragglers. Stragglers, not scragglers. What's a scraggler? I don't think it exists. I don't think it is a word.
Starting point is 01:03:19 Subject line on this email says, Are you guys famous enough to have an obsessed fan want to kill you? You remember this? Remember the situation the other day? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Anyway, Sean, let me read his email. He says, if not, congrats. It's like you're just the right amount of famous you can get recognized
Starting point is 01:03:40 at Central Market or that disgusting convenience store, but not too much to be annoying. I am currently in New York City. I was wishing I was a few blocks north when listening to you talk about John Lennon being killed.
Starting point is 01:03:51 Would have been so meta. That's Sean. Yeah, I wish you were there too, Sean. That would have been so cool. But he's right. We're just famous, but not famous enough for grapevine cops to have ever heard of me to let me out of that ticket. Dude, I've worked here like 20 years.
Starting point is 01:04:13 It's a really big station. That ticket? No? You don't know? You're a male between 25 and 54. You're not listening to sports radio? Yeah. Bad radio?
Starting point is 01:04:25 Hardline. That's me. Yeah, I'm Muser. It is funny. I think we just take for granted sometimes the parlance of our business. I even recall when we had Dan Campbell on, and he was like, what's the name of your segment now? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:48 And like when I used to tell people like, Oh, I work for a sports radio station. They're like, uh, you know, which show is it? And they didn't mean that they meant like which station.
Starting point is 01:04:59 You know what I mean? Like that people just don't totally understand it, but whatever. They're all idiots, not like us. I suppose as long as you're not murdering me, then... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not that obsessed. That's a good outcome.
Starting point is 01:05:13 So the one I had that's not a birthday is... Did you read the email the other day about the Wonder Woman creator? Go on. So my question the other day was... I had no idea what Wonder Woman really is. Like, I knew she fought bad guys. Yeah, is she from another planet? Didn't seem to really be from another planet.
Starting point is 01:05:33 Didn't seem to be, like, her parents got killed and somehow there was a bat involved. I had no idea other than she had, like... Huge jugs. That she was just fantastic looking with right and very strong uh it turns out the creator of wonder woman uh let me pull his name back up here invisible jet william moulton marston uh was a big feminist okay but was also really into bondage Okay. But was also really into bondage.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Okay. You can be all those things. Of course. Yeah. Which is why she had the rope. Okay. With lasso situation. Yeah, the lasso would. It was a magic lasso where if she lassoed you, you had to tell the truth, I think.
Starting point is 01:06:19 Okay. Yeah. So anyways, yeah. Which Linda Carter could make me tell the truth of course lasso or no yeah but anyways yeah somebody just emailed us about that and apparently the creator of this also
Starting point is 01:06:33 he had multiple families whoa which is something you could just do back then and I suppose still be a feminist we have talked about this before and in fact I would actually say that that makes you more of a feminist because you're providing uh emotional and ostensibly financial uh support to two women yes what are you doing you're a better i i barely do it for one exactly yeah having a secret family
Starting point is 01:07:02 is like the most feminist thing you can do yeah shout out to that guy if you really think about it yeah so that yeah that's the the story uncle hotmail yeah i'd like to know more about just anybody with a secret family i love that it seems exhausting well i think like like we've talked about, I think it's much less possible now. I think in the 50s, you just like, I mean, I remember hearing about people in the 50s that like my grandparents knew or like my dad's friends' parents, whatever.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Their second family was like in the county over. Yeah. Because you just would never venture that far. And you were not on social media. Now you have to have a job where you travel a lot. It's tough for guys trying to have... It's too bad. It's tough, but I think your question has always been,
Starting point is 01:08:04 and I think this would be considerably tougher can a woman pull it off yeah i'd like to read at least one story about that and i never have they would have to be obviously a step parent in the second situation or um they could be their insides could be a rocky place where no seed could find purchase and they just have to adopt so they have two adopt families
Starting point is 01:08:33 okay yeah I could see that but you think women are probably just too smart for that yeah yeah and the other thing too is like none of them But you think women are probably just too smart for that. Yeah, yeah. Like they realize this. And the other thing too is like none of them have.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Or they're all like, oh, I want one man. Like an idiot. Like an idiot. Or, and to my understanding, none of them have jobs. No. How would they do that? So how could you even pull off? Can you imagine?
Starting point is 01:08:58 Could you clean that much of a house? That many houses? Cook all those dinners? There aren't that many houses. Cook all those dinners. It's not like you can run from girlfriend to girlfriend like on happy days in kitchens. Change your coat. Yeah. Change your tie.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Yeah. Uncle Hotmail. Now we get into some birthday reads. Okay. Day one, sub number 555 here. It is my Dre Bly birthday. I'm not even going to dignify that. I would not normally care to have my birthday email read,
Starting point is 01:09:29 but I thought I would at least do so this time to maybe use the opportunity and platform to promote a GoFundMe campaign to support... First of all, pro or con of what I'm getting into here? It's too far for me to say con. Okay. I was looking to open a bear trap for you. The time at which I would have said con
Starting point is 01:09:49 would have been before this, like when I deleted this email. Well, that might be a bear trap because... I know, I know. I just didn't think it would be something. GoFundMe campaign to support a family from our old neighborhood who recently lost their young daughter in
Starting point is 01:10:05 a car accident. So far, pro or con? Nothing can ever make up for the sudden traveling loss of a child, but I thought it'd be helpful to promote the fundraiser to the listeners. I apologize if this request is uncouth or inappropriate.
Starting point is 01:10:22 It is not. So I understand if this type of request does not get shared on the podcast. Well, it might not be. Yeah, I mean, Rob might cut it out. Rob might just beep this whole audio. This is very similar to the dirty sound in which I saw this and thought, there's no way Dan would ever do this. Oh, then he links the GoFundMe, and I thought, you know, at the very least,
Starting point is 01:10:42 let's put this link in our show notes. And if people are interested, then go to the show notes. Yeah. Or if you're a heartless monster, don't do so. It's just a family from his old neighborhood. It's not the guy. I got it. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:59 Anyway, that's from Alex. Alex Baker. It's his birthday too. So that's really the most important part of this whole email, I think. Yeah. I mean, it's at birthday, too. So that's really the most important part of this whole email, I think. Yeah. I mean, it's at least right there. No, it'll be in the show notes if you would like to support the GoFundMe for someone who's experiencing a bad bit.
Starting point is 01:11:15 Yep. We have Uncle Hotmail, day three, number 1765 here, wishing a birthday shout out to my best friend, Wrong Hole Richardson. Hmm. Corey Richardson. We've met him. At least I did at the Alamo sometime back. He's like, hey man, I'm Wrong Hole. I'm like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:11:37 Doesn't feel like a name somebody just gives you. It's his Jeff Heath birthday. 38. Somehow his wife is pregnant now, so he didn't follow Grego's instructions on how to prevent that. Or his nickname. Is the dumb zone liable for the downfall of the Alamo Drafthouse,
Starting point is 01:11:59 much like the former terrestrial radio station, The Freak? We were at The Freak, and then it closed. I shuddered quick once upon a time. They hired me. They hired TC. We wrote a column for about... Oh, the magazine, the Dallas Morning News insert. Yeah, it made it about...
Starting point is 01:12:20 It wasn't even just an insert. It was a DMN product, but it was like a real thing. You could pick it up at newsstands everywhere. And it, yeah, within probably six to seven months of them bringing us on. Did you get a bunch of copies of it and give it to your mom and your dad? Yeah. Yeah. Did they frame it?
Starting point is 01:12:42 Oh, look at Jake. I don't know if they framed it, but I definitely have. TC's wife framed it. Yeah. Did they frame it? Oh, look at Jake. I don't know if they framed it, but I definitely have. TC's wife framed it. Okay. Yeah, but I have a physical copy of every one of them. You've been a longtime supporter. I'm not surprised. We'd like to hear the Hala Luka song that was played at the close of the 531 episode from Corey.
Starting point is 01:13:03 Can we play that at the end of today's epi? Do you do that, Rob, or no? Sure. Rob's like, no. Okay, that's from Corey Ashcraft. So Corey's best friend is Corey. That would be tough. Isn't that too sweet?
Starting point is 01:13:17 I remember there were times when, and I've told you this before, but I believe Jake or Jacob was like the most popular white male name for like a seven to ten year period and there were times where i'd go to a like a gathering a party like high school post high school days there'd be like 20 people there and like four of us would be jake we'd always take a photo like like yeah very old testament. I mean, Blake's in a Facebook group, so. Dear Daniel, I'm sending $10 to read this and for the cause. People will do that to the Mo.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Don't do Mo. Don't even start with Mo. I'd prefer Vinny than Mo. Today is my Jan Mahimny birthday. Tell Jake to shut it. This is a great bit. Okay. Noted.
Starting point is 01:14:17 You paid 10 bucks. I'm a late blooming DF at day 68, but that fits because I always come before 69. Everybody knew where you were headed. No surprises there at all. More gaming esports talk
Starting point is 01:14:38 from Blake. Much love, John Carley. P.S. Please roast my name, Jake. Are you a low-key roast twin? Dude, you are wearing my ass out today. We just came from the Wash Studios, so I've still got it in my head. Cannot deal with this. Hey, Dan, Dave.
Starting point is 01:15:04 John Carly? Like, I don't understand what the what the bit like i don't know john carlo or i don't know i don't that's it seems like a perfectly normal cool name to me what do you got oh is it a uh john carlos is one of the black fisted yeah yeah the olympics yeah black glove i guess both of them had four black fists. I would never roast that. They're black guys. Day one, number 332. It is my MAGA
Starting point is 01:15:33 bloody sock birthday. In parentheses, Kurt Schilling. My leader is Jake thinking the Salem witch trials were, quote, less than a half century ago. Okay. Got a lot of feedback on that. I clearly meant a millennium.
Starting point is 01:15:53 I meant to imply 500 years ago, which would have placed me exactly when they happened. But I did. What did he think? It was like 1970. Right. Yeah. Picasso.
Starting point is 01:16:05 Salem witch trials were like 1970. Right. Yeah. Picasso. What? Say which was like 1600, right? Yeah. So I just. Picasso burned a witch. Yeah. No. When right before going in to see The Godfather.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Right. And watching the Miami Dolphins finish off a perfect season. Right. Larry Zonko once. Burned a witch. His wife was actually burned at the stake it was motivation for him uh jeremy edwards that's his uh his name uh dan why don't i wish my good friend matt spelled with one t how about that i've never heard of that matt with one t
Starting point is 01:16:40 you hear about it a lot in uh like and philip can probably comment on this you hear about it a lot in, like, and Philip can probably comment on this. You hear about it a lot in, like, Eastern European countries, and especially, like, Nordic countries. That's a popular name, M-A-T. Unlike in this country, where typically if you hear, like, the J-O-N with no H, am I out of pocket to say that that oftentimes denotes Jewish? J-O-N? No.
Starting point is 01:17:09 Is that true? No. That's not true. Is that because of the H from Jesus H. Christ? I don't think so. I got Jews in the building, so they're nodding with me. I got Jews in the building. You're Jewish, right?
Starting point is 01:17:21 So, okay. I just want to make sure everybody knows that when you're screaming that. I just feel like the first like like, ten times I saw that name, it was somebody who was of the tribe. Hmm. Not the Kyrie tribe. I believe Jon Stewart is a J-O-N. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Anyway, Matt, who has one T, is a day one, number 142, is spiritual leader, is the ghost of Mizrashan, is earth leader,, number 142. His spiritual leader is the ghost of Mizushan. His earth leaders are Dan and Jake. And eventual leader is going to be Blake when Dan and Jake croak. Jeez. He's only like five years younger than me. Although, it makes sense. That is from fellow day one-er Josh from Oklahoma City.
Starting point is 01:18:05 That was from Tuesday, Business Wednesday. We had it as my Brian Westbrook birthday. This is from Tyler Howell, who says, I once sent Jake a very dumb Twitter DM asking if he would comment on Mike Reiner's new radio station on the ticket the day it was launched. He correctly did not respond to me. Yeah. I knew how to heed Phillip's advice before, even though he doesn't heed his own advice, I knew how to heed his advice before I even was trained.
Starting point is 01:18:43 Dude, Phillip will get out there on Twitter with a gas can. My move was to shut up. And yeah, that was a thing. We were getting a barrage of communication regarding the freak, and it was like, in what way would this benefit me? I would have mentioned it if I wasn't told not to. Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. We were pretty quickly told not to,
Starting point is 01:19:09 and I just didn't want like a screenshot or something to end up, you know, published. No, but I mean, he was even saying, would you talk about it on the ticket? I certainly would have. Because why not? It's not like it matters in the end. In Uncle Hotmail, it's my Von Miller on the Aggies birthday. I was in the den in March
Starting point is 01:19:32 before everyone started whining about guests talking too much. On the Patreon comments for that epi, one person said, quote, strong 690 guest, which helps me get out of bed each day that's it whatever it takes brother my leader is john schnatter that's the papa and his 40 pizzas in a month taste test that's the yes i made the day one1df.com website so people could find their subbie number. Oh, well. Contributing, for sure.
Starting point is 01:20:09 And then he says, I'm also working with Blake on something else that may be coming soon. Sounds pretty vague. Ethan Stanfield. Cool. Cool indeed. A papa. Maybe it's a papa night. Oh, you know what?
Starting point is 01:20:23 You don't get a book club? No. I got a book club? No. I got a book club tonight, bro. Want to come over and eat pizza? I would love to, but I already bought groceries. Bless it. Is it a nice salad night? It's probably something like that.
Starting point is 01:20:36 That might mean it's a Taco Bell way home day. Here's Jay with the Gun Zone News. Who's this brought to you by? Let's take a look at the run sheet. Is it Frankel and Frankel? It might be a Frankel and Frankel day. Can we talk about Frankel and Frankel when we're at a different law firm?
Starting point is 01:20:59 What I learned... We're not at Frankel and Frankel. What I learned earlier is that... I like Frankel and Frankel. You like Frankel and Frankel. You're different lawyers, lawyers right you don't do the same thing i wouldn't touch that what i what i what i learned is that other highly respected attorneys like philip kingston hold franklin franklin the highest of regard really yeah okay yeah that's exactly what he said to me also real easy law firm to say.
Starting point is 01:21:25 It's much easier. Much better. And you notice that our second two partners are named Utah and Andrews, which might be the coolest law firm name ever. Yeah, you could have gone with that. We just need to transition. Now, my guess is if their name is so simple, they have a very confusing phone number.
Starting point is 01:21:43 Absolutely not. No, it's really simple. In fact, it's all threes. Where do you live? What area code do you live in? 817. Well, I'm in Fort Worth. 817, all threes.
Starting point is 01:21:52 Oh, I just moved to Dallas. 214, all threes. I don't know how they did that. That's fantastic. But so if they're going to be so, I don't know, would you call it anal or just making sure that that's perfect? I don't know, would you call it anal or just making sure that that's perfect? Wouldn't they be so making sure that your rights are fought for perfectly? Like they're going to go to every, whatever level they have to go to,
Starting point is 01:22:18 to make sure you, they're personal injury attorneys. They are personal injury attorneys. And look, I don't even really like driving uh in dallas or even over here like we're in richardson today because these people are maniacs it's one of the most dangerous these are the most dangerous roadways in america right around us so if something goes down you need to call them right away that's right take a deep breath maybe a little box breath like uh the harvard commencement guy yeah i think i think but, call them. Yeah, so you're in an accident. The car is flipping over. Right, before it even hits the ground.
Starting point is 01:22:49 Yeah, I need you to have that phone out and start dialing. You'll talk to a partner. Right away. You're not going to just talk to some spare. I bet this consultation is going to cost me an arm and a leg. Nothing, man. It's not going to cost you anything. Just give them a call.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Unbelievable. They'll fight for your rights. Frankel and Frankel, 214 or 817. All threes. Do I just keep hitting it forever? Well, we're done with the spot now. Oh, okay. A landscaper in Flower Mound
Starting point is 01:23:21 died Monday after being trapped under a lawnmower in a North Texas pond. This is terrible. I know this is probably PTSD for you over here. He's in the... In the landscaping game. Landscape architect, I believe, is what they prefer these days. Yeah, he's not getting near that lawnmower.
Starting point is 01:23:45 Dude, I had the worst situation yesterday. It was in the – well, I mean, I guess not the worst. I didn't die getting caught under a lawnmower. Right, yeah. But outside of that – Well, the worst situation would be being the wife of the guy who died under the lawnmower, as my wife will tell you. But go ahead. I still – Why didn't you find the lizard? Oh, as my wife will tell you. But go ahead. I still...
Starting point is 01:24:05 Why have you found the lizard? Ooh, yeah. He found the lizard. Okay. I was in my car talking to you, and I got home, but I was still in my car, and I just had the headphones on now
Starting point is 01:24:17 because I have the horrible Bluetooth echo. And so I just was like, all right, well, whatever. I think there was a kid in the house. Wife was in the house. Sometimes she doesn't like to listen to me. Talk to you. Cards on the table.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Uh, so I just stayed in the car. Yeah. In the driveway. Yeah. And the landscaping crew shows up and they're like weed eating around me while I have headphones on like laughing and something funny, like something funny that you said or you know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:49 It was just, it was just an absolutely terrible look for me. Like. See, you should have just kept driving. And the only thing that saved my bacon, one of the guys was white. Okay. So I didn't feel, i didn't feel quite as bad about it yeah no we've talked about that yeah but like i almost just left just so i wouldn't be sitting there while they you know manicured my rental rental property while i remodel oh yeah it's not even your land no No. That's right.
Starting point is 01:25:28 I mean, the landlord takes care of it. So anyways, what happened to this particular gentleman is he's mowing near a pond on Flower Mound Road. Lawnmower somehow, like, he's right next to the pond. He falls. And when he falls, he falls into pond and lawnmower falls on top of him. Fort Worth police have arrested a woman that they said stole a vehicle. And a body. Yeah. They were called to JPS Tuesday night.
Starting point is 01:26:06 They said when they arrived, they learned the incident began when an employee of a mortuary service arrived at the hospital with a... How do you like this euphemism? Mortuary transport. That's what a body is? Yeah. Okay. So actually... So she stole a hearse there is there hearses anymore
Starting point is 01:26:27 i haven't seen a hearse in quite some time um that's a good question but they they definitely are still around but that's not how they take you like so this person was was this is a body that was like at the hospital and she stole it from there. They were putting the mortuary transport into what I assume was a van, and she stole that van. They don't give you the bells and whistles of a hearse. I'd rather do that. When you're just leaving the- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:02 But still, I haven't seen one. I'd rather have that than steal a car and then look back and there's a little kid in there yeah those are horrible stories definitely hurt him but horrible stories that's happened to me one too many times but the dead body it'd be a little creepy this is not the crime i intended to commit today right i just wanted to steal the car. Right. Yep. And now I get this kid. But you know, there's a lot of weird rules around dead bodies.
Starting point is 01:27:32 Go on. Like, I remember even hearing, like, for example, you can't just bury somebody in your backyard. Like, if your parent died and you had, like like an acre of land or something, and they were like, this is where I want to reside and when I leave this mortal coil, you can't just bury them. And that's wrong. I thought I owned this land. You don't.
Starting point is 01:27:58 I thought this was America. You don't have your mineral rights. That's the weirdest thing. I bet he's dealt with this. That used to be a big thing. Oh, my gosh, yeah. Our old neighborhood, I always hated being in the neighborhood association and everything, but it ended up getting me like a $3,000 check once for the mineral rights.
Starting point is 01:28:24 So that they could give your kids cancer? Yeah, they sold away the mineral rights to our neighborhood. The state changed the rules about 10 years ago. I'm going to pump them up. Try to say that again. The state changed the rules about 10 years ago, maybe a little longer. So your title company for your real estate transaction, even if you buy a title insurance policy,
Starting point is 01:28:46 and they don't realize that you didn't have the mineral rights transferred to you, you have no recourse. You're absolutely screwed. I think I've heard that before. And there are people that have lost out on like tens and tens of thousands of dollars because of this. So anyways, this lady stole a body. Yeah, okay. But I do agree with you that if you're going to steal a vehicle, if the two options are, boy, there's a child back here or a dead body.
Starting point is 01:29:20 Child, dead body, or just a bunch of cocaine or or maybe pot you stole uh what's his name's car nate newton yeah because this woman has been charged not only with auto theft but abuse of a corpse see that's ridiculous feels like a tack on that she's like i don't know and why is abusing a course even a corpse a thing like who cares well that's my it's a corpse, even a corpse, a thing. Like, who cares? Well, that's my... It's a corpse. That's my point, though. Yeah, you should be able to abuse it. Shouldn't you? It's dead. That's abusing an inanimate object.
Starting point is 01:29:54 Oh, I abused this paper bag. Oh. You guys know I'm right. Are you making the case for the legalization of necrophilia right now? I mean, I didn't go that far, but, you know, I'm not
Starting point is 01:30:13 going to say... I'm going to say I haven't researched that enough, but just as far as, like, abusing a corpse. If you hit it. Or if you kick it. If you hit it, you're making it sound like they could use it like one of those beat-up cars at a carnival yeah if abusing a corpse was a thing then uh all of a sudden weekend at bernie's doesn't win all those oscars
Starting point is 01:30:38 well that's a really good point it's a really good point what's up with the law philip it sucks yeah that's what i'm saying a bunch of legal eagles in here today how do you feel about dan's position that a corpse should be treated as a paperback the uh it's it's the people who were close to the person who used to be the corpse who get real bent out of shape if, uh, if the corpse gets abused. Yeah. And I want to be clear, um, on two fronts while we're here.
Starting point is 01:31:17 If you die in my presence and I have a baseball bat, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. Go for it. and I have a baseball bat, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. Go for it. You've basically just given me license to absolutely just destroy you. We'll just be able to, and then we'll see if there's an afterlife,
Starting point is 01:31:35 because then I'll pay you back. And then the second one is, and I mentioned this. Can you hit me in the face? Because I don't want an open casket. That always seems really weird to me. I want a closed casket. In fact? Because I don't want an open casket. That always seems really weird to me. I want a closed casket. In fact, I probably don't want anything.
Starting point is 01:31:49 Well, you don't have a will or anything even close to it. No. You don't have a will? I feel like if I get a will... You know this. You know neither one of us do. You know we've... We can straighten this out.
Starting point is 01:32:02 It's not that hard. I can't afford you, dude. True, but I know people. You bled us enough already. That's right. No, but so I'm going to bash your face in and then tell people you wanted an open casket funeral. Okay. And I want you to necrophilia me.
Starting point is 01:32:23 You know what? For you, bud. Thanks. It's in my will. Would you write that in my will? Jake has to have sex with my own. See, that's why I'm not using you. And the second thing I want to be clear about,
Starting point is 01:32:38 and this is a good opportunity for us to bring up tomorrow's guest, Danny Bayless. Okay. Because last time we had him on, I told you what I, my wishes for my remains, I want to be chummed and fed to sharks. Sharks in particular can't just be any
Starting point is 01:32:56 sea creature. I mean, my luck, like I would be chummed and like a weak ass blue tuna would come along and handle me. But if that happened, I might end up eating you someday. Because I eat a lot of tuna. Hadn't thought of it that way. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:15 But yeah. And I think people should be allowed to do that. But to Philip's point, the issue is, if you don't codify it ahead of time, the family is not exactly going to be can you put in your will i want to be buried at sea which means the body just thrown into the sea 100 okay because you hear about people spreading their ashes but right it's hard to reanimate the ashes because i get out to international waters and what are the rules? Is that true?
Starting point is 01:33:47 Do people actually put in their will or whatever how they would like to be taken care of in an unconventional manner? Aren't they doing that with some people? Shooting them into space? Their ashes? Yeah. I don't want ashes though. I want the body.
Starting point is 01:34:03 That was an extremely dumb question because it presupposed that they're launching like full human bodies into outer space. Like I want it with a Superman outfit on. Right. Yep. I want to be launched into space. Elon Musk launched his car into space.
Starting point is 01:34:19 He did launch a car up there. And they just kind of left it. Really? Is it like in orbit or is it just heading towards somewhere oh it's just going i knew it was up there he might have too much money there's news he has all the money yeah the dumb zone new i'm on a weird streak of seeing Cybertrucks I'm like four straight days We saw one the other day In Austin yeah whenever we were having breakfast the other day
Starting point is 01:34:52 Like there was you know but Down there I expected up here though I saw one online where Someone in Cleveland Painted it like the Browns helmet It's fantastic And so I hope that we see that this year when we go to the Browns game. And that's all I got on that.
Starting point is 01:35:10 Yeah, no, it was a good story. Today in history. I was just trying to tack on to your cool note. I'm always falling a little short. Falling a little short. Your chair is also, like like cockishly low. It keeps shrinking though. Watch.
Starting point is 01:35:27 I'll raise it but then it's just going to slowly shrink. Here, I'm just going to not touch a button and you guys watch what happens. That's the one we give to opposing counsel
Starting point is 01:35:39 during depositions. Just to head game them a little bit. Yeah. It's working because I've been dominating him all day. So today is Thursday, June 13th.
Starting point is 01:35:50 On this day in 1977, James Earl Ray, the convicted assassin of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., the king, was recaptured following his escape three days prior from a Tennessee prison. Remember when we did that story about him escaping? I did. Well, they got him. On this day in 1984, oh, little Dan remembers this. This is a baseball trade
Starting point is 01:36:16 that would pay off in the short run for the Cubs with an NL East championship. They traded Joe Carter. Good friend of ours. And Mel Hall. Now, that one's more your friend, to be very clear. For a trio of players, including pitcher Rick Sutcliffe.
Starting point is 01:36:43 So he's traded on June 13th. And back then, there was no interleague play. So in the National League, from June 13th on, Rick Sutcliffe goes 16-1 for the Cubs and wins the NL Cy Young.
Starting point is 01:37:02 That's an amazing story. You have to admit it, even though you hate baseball. I don't hate baseball, but no, you're right. It would be, you know, I was trying to think if there was a basketball version of this recently. Like somebody that got traded midseason and won MVP. Probably doesn't ever happen because who's trading an MVP? But, you know, I could dream last year with Kyrie. Yeah. But no, you know, I could dream last year with Kyrie. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:25 But no, you're right. That's incredible. And it would never happen in football, ever. A less amazing story, but it's with the Cubs. One decade later, in 1994, on this very day, their second baseman, Ryan Sandberg, retired because of poor play. He was just not playing well up to his standards. So he forfeited $15.7 million of his $25 million contract. Just said, you know what?
Starting point is 01:37:51 I don't think I deserve this money and I won't take it. That's like the most respectable sports story I've ever heard in my life. And I'll bet you in today's day, the MLBPA would never allow that. That's probably true. That's probably true. Because that could set a dangerous precedent. He had a video game. Ryan Sandberg? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:38:14 I just looked it up. It was called Bases Loaded to make sure I wasn't having like a Mandela effect type thing. That was basically the way, like a lot of people, how they got into soccer. That's how I knew baseball. Video games. Video games, as Blake would say.
Starting point is 01:38:31 On this day in 2004, in College Station, former U.S. President George H.W. Bush did a 13,000-foot parachute jump over his presidential library. I remember that. Was that a solo? There's no chance, but... You were there? Wow.
Starting point is 01:38:55 Was he tandem with Greg Abbott? Didn't Greg Abbott do a tandem? Yeah, he did. He did. No, it was the Army skydiving. Army guy? tandem yeah he did he did army guy that makes sense i i could see a chance hw was an army guy right yeah he was in the some point he was ahead of this yeah navy he was ahead of the cia i thought he also served probably did yeah all them old served engineered
Starting point is 01:39:26 his first parachute mission was when he got shot down oh yeah yeah that's right I forgot he was shot down it's pretty badass to survive that
Starting point is 01:39:37 oh it's super badass like if I do that then I'm like I definitely have the confidence to overthrow several Central American Central American governments as the head of the Central Intelligence Agency. What I was going to say is I could definitely see myself being like 90-year-old skydive guy in the event that I'm still kicking.
Starting point is 01:39:58 You think you'd do that over heroin? Like we talked about, would you try heroin when you're 90 yeah like knowing that hey why not gonna die soon anyway probably not because i feel like if you've made it to that point that could push you over the edge of life you're probably dying if you try heroin but skydiving is relatively safe would you think it was cool so you learn, okay, you find out you have cancer, inoperable, whatever. So far, no. Okay. But you learn to
Starting point is 01:40:31 skydive, you take all the classes so that you don't even... You don't have to take classes, really. Hold on, though. You don't do tandems anymore. Oh, okay. You get to the level. This is the skydiving chief over here. You've done solo, right? Yeah. Yeah, of course. How many times? 1,600. 1,600?
Starting point is 01:40:47 Yeah. Have we been alive that many days? Do some math for me. He's done 1,600 solo jumps. Do we need to know more about him? I think we do. Luckily, we're kind of locked in with him for a long time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:06 We've got a lifetime deal we signed with Rob. So we'll have plenty of time to learn about that. That is amazing. That really is. What were we just talking about? I don't know. On this day in 2015, a gunman in Dallas, Texas, opened fire on officers outside Dallas police headquarters. He was later shot and killed through the windshield of his van
Starting point is 01:41:35 by a police sniper. Was this the one? I'm confusing two stories then. This is the attack on Jack Evans, the police headquarters. Yeah, yeah. This is not. Okay, got it. Not the one that was on June or, excuse me, July 7th with Bombot.
Starting point is 01:41:52 Luca Day, yeah. Where they use Bombot. Do you remember Bombot? Oh, yeah. It felt like a turn towards the dystopian, perhaps. But yeah, I remember this one also. Now that you clarify it, it's crazy. And we have a yay boo on this day in 2017.
Starting point is 01:42:16 Comatose Otto Warmbier. Is that how you say his name? He was released by North Korea after more than 17 months in captivity. Fantastic. I'm glad to see Otto coming home. I'm hoping we can go. I was thinking he'd join my softball league. We'd hang out together,
Starting point is 01:42:31 maybe go have a pitcher of beer. Well, he was in a coma and the 22-year-old college student who had suffered severe brain damage died six days later. Oh. So that's the boo. I'm just learning this.
Starting point is 01:42:41 That was not good. That was the negative. That was a horrible, horrible story. But also at the same time, it's like... If you decide you want your exotic college trip to be to North Korea... Things might go south for you. You know? You went to Mexico.
Starting point is 01:43:03 I went to Spain. He chose Pyongyang. And he came home in a coma. Today's birthdays of really famous people. Stars head coach Pete DeBoer, 56. Love him. Pete DeBoer. Does he have what it takes to win?
Starting point is 01:43:26 He's, like, been to the finals. Don't be that guy. For a million years. Former Cowboy Gerald Sensabaugh, 41. I remember him being pretty interesting. Former Cowboy Richmond Flowers is 77. Wow. You know, the one thing I know about him.
Starting point is 01:43:44 Wasn't it his son? on the first hard knocks, and he played guitar, and it was the big story. That's the only thing I know, yeah, and then he got cut, right? He had like a phenomenal preseason, and then I believe he ended up getting cut. Well, how are you going to make that roster of the 5-11? Right, but there was a fast white guy who played for the Cowboys, so we were all like, just give us something.
Starting point is 01:44:10 Give us something to believe in. And then, yeah, I'm pretty sure they cut him. Former star Valerie Bure is 50. He was a star just for a minute. Was married to Candace Cameron. I don't know who that is. She's some actress. Former star Jason Spezza is 41.
Starting point is 01:44:29 Oh, Full House, okay. Jason Spezza. You want my bullet point rundown? Yeah. Hilarious laugh. I don't know if you recall that, but when the stars acquired him, we figured out that he's got a really funny laugh, and that'll give him time to see if he can...
Starting point is 01:44:48 That's not it, but it's not that far off. Oh, here it is. Nope. Oh. Nope. This is going to sound really weird, but one of the coolest things I've ever seen in the sports world was a Stars trip that we were on.
Starting point is 01:45:05 It was before the game, but I believe he also did it in the intermissions, like watching him wax and tape his stick. Okay, you said wax. Yeah. He was like super, super, super particular about it. Like everybody
Starting point is 01:45:22 else was just like, whatever. And he was like a blacksmith out there. And the third thing is, Ralph Strangis lived with him. Really? The fourth thing is, not a fan of having to tuck in your shirt. That's not, you're confusing. That was Brad Richards.
Starting point is 01:45:40 Damn it. That I might be confusing point three also. I am. But it was definitely special that I saw doing the woodwork. It was cool. You're a dick. I'm just looking for laughs. That one is labeled Jake Cum Wheeze Laugh.
Starting point is 01:46:04 I don't know why. I did not label that. I generally won't put that word in the labeling system. I respect that about you. Who else is... Jerry Laugh Montage. Wendy, that's... We just spent 20 minutes talking about it.
Starting point is 01:46:27 All right, never mind. Yeah, nope. Nope. No? Whose birthday is it? You don't want any more of these? No, I don't. Okay, here's what I'm betting.
Starting point is 01:46:34 We got hitches on one side. Garrett laughed. Slants on the other side. How about that? You're all over it. I'm cracking this code, Jack. Yeah. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:46:47 I remember the time I had to watch a full USFL or AFL game because Jason Garrett was calling it with Jack Collinsworth. Oh, man. That's tough. Oh, here we go. Jason Spetzelath. What a payoff. We're not too worried about it.
Starting point is 01:47:04 We were worried you guys would know, I guess. I got to talk to the rink guys. I think it's new. Do you remember the goals, though? Yes, I remember the goals. Hawk got given to Danny Heatley because it was his 500th point. It's cold. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:18 Did I make my daughter vote? No, she doesn't have an email address and won't until she's 18. How much is Dan influencing? Summer can be a distraction if somebody asks for a trade request. I told you. He has a Beavis and Butthead laugh. It's very, very endearing.
Starting point is 01:47:43 We made a song? Thanks, Dips. Oh, yes. Yes, I remember the rules. Yes, yes, I remember the rules. The rules, the rules. Thanks, Dips. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:02 Thanks, thanks, thanks, Dips. Dips. All right. Thanks, thanks, thanks, tips, tips. Tips. All right. You're right. Jason Spetz has a funny laugh. Respect. Never lived with Ralph Strangis, despite what others might tell you. Penny Oleksiak is 24.
Starting point is 01:48:20 Ah, sister of the big rig. Sister of Jamie. She has won seven Olympic gold medals. Yep. So apparently their hockey team is like our women's basketball team. I don't think she plays hockey. Are you sure about that? No.
Starting point is 01:48:36 I'm pretty sure she... Let me see. Okay. Does she do something else? What does she do? Yeah, I think so. Javelin? Discus? Is that still a thing she's uh she's a swimmer swimmer yeah yeah that's a good place to win a lot of medals like didn't michael phelps win like 10
Starting point is 01:48:56 medal like he was like a phenomenal athlete yeah but all you have to do is kind of like you win it and then you do one that's a little longer. And then you win that one and then you do one that's a little longer. That's a good point. It's not like you can go like win the medal in basketball and then be like, I'm going to go play three on three. Right. Yeah. No, that's a good point.
Starting point is 01:49:18 Hey, thanks. You're very welcome. Tony Bruno is 72. I used to be a fan when he was on. Radio, right? Yeah, he would do ESPN radio. Okay. I think I probably at some point ran the board for his show.
Starting point is 01:49:33 Actor Malcolm McDowell is 81. Is he... Clockwork Orange? Yes. That's right. The only reason I know that is because I heard the fake Dan McDowell. Did you Clockwork Orange? Yes. That's right? The only reason I know that is because I heard the fake Dan McDowell. Did you Clockwork Orange? Are you Clockwork Orange guy? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:49:52 Oh. Absolutely not. You would love it. No, I've seen it. It's hilarious. And you didn't like it. No. It's too weird for me.
Starting point is 01:50:00 But there was a time, much like with the movie Garden State and Christianity, where I pretended to like it because I thought it would make me cool for girls. Yeah. No, you got to pretend to like some stuff. Garden State, yeah, Clockwork, and Jesus. Yeah. Whatever it takes. Yeah, you know.
Starting point is 01:50:19 Actor Richard Thomas is 73. Some, if you're old, know him as John Boy Walton. If you're younger, you know him as Wendy's dad in Ozark. Did you watch Ozark? I tried. Or did you hate it? I think I made it four or five episodes. I just said, this is just dog shit.
Starting point is 01:50:42 Tim Allen is 71. Wow. Wow. Wow. Cocaine. Like trafficking, not possession. Great story, right? You come back after that? Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:50:55 I remember. It shows about our rehabilitative system. Sure, yes. Our penal system. Which is one of the funnier systems, I think, as a kid. Realize that you're in the United States. Penal system? Yes.
Starting point is 01:51:13 Just when you're a kid, though. It's not funny now. Rivers Cuomo is 54. One of the better live shows I've ever seen. Yeah? Yeah. Weezer. On the beach. With Blind Josh. That might have been the night
Starting point is 01:51:32 he found my flip-flops for me. So you lost your shoes and Blind Josh found them. Yeah, I mean, we were in the sand, you know, watching this concert. There were thousands of people there. Yeah, his sense of smell, though, watching this concert. There were thousands of people there. Yeah, his sense of smell, though, is really acute. And I think that's what probably did it.
Starting point is 01:51:49 Yep. And he picked them up with his cane and handed them to me. I wonder if he can also watch baseball on TV. And, like, dissect pitches. How come they don't hire him instead of a drug-sniffing dog? Because he would keep the drugs. I was going to say, though. That's a good point. Instead of a drug sniffing dog. Who do you think? Because he would keep the drugs. I was going to say that.
Starting point is 01:52:07 That's a good point. Well, then that gives you something to do with them and you don't have to destroy them. Win-win. Yeah. It helps this guy and his glaucoma or whatever. I don't think. Yeah. Let's go with it.
Starting point is 01:52:22 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's probably got glaucoma. In there somewhere. It's possible. He's probably got glaucoma. In there somewhere. It's possible. Ashley Olsen is 38, so you know what that means?
Starting point is 01:52:31 I do. Mary Kate Olsen is 38. Do you still own the domain? That you bought 30 years ago? See, you have a countdown clock to when they turn 50 because you like the older lady. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:47 I don't know, man. They both just have like a very nubile affect to me that I don't enjoy. And this one's for Jake. Steve-O, 50. Hell yeah. Although...
Starting point is 01:53:03 Don't shame him for being in recovery. Not as cool since he's sober. That's not true at all. I'm with Bill Maher. You're going to smoke pot on set with me or else we're not doing the show. Did you hear that story? I did not. Apparently, Steve-O publicized that Bill Maher was going to have him on his podcast.
Starting point is 01:53:23 And I guess Bill Maher's bid is we smoke pot on the podcast. I have seen that, yeah. Because he's so cool. Yeah. And the producer was getting with Steve-O, and Steve-O said, hey, I'm recovering and stuff, and if it's cool, I'll just not do that. Or maybe he could not smoke while I'm in there and stuff.
Starting point is 01:53:40 Yeah. And the producer said, nope, that's not the way we do things. And then Steve-O like publicized, put that out on the social saying, hey, look at what their
Starting point is 01:53:50 producer said. Don't you think this is bad? Maybe ours should take that rule up. Steve-O, as part of a recovery, really into dogs.
Starting point is 01:54:01 Like he trains dogs and stuff now and rescues dogs. Also, my girlfriend girlfriend when i was probably either end of high school or early college went to cancun she saw steve-o at a bar like he was paid to be there and all he really did was get up on the bar and like smash shit on himself. So like. That sounds great.
Starting point is 01:54:28 Yeah. Like I would have gone there to see that. She had a pick. And I don't know what they would have paid him. I don't know like how long his gig was for. I don't know that it was like really all that organized. But she was like, yeah, I saw him like smash a Corona bottle on the bar and stab himself in the chest. Jesus. And it was just like, yeah, that's Steve-O now.
Starting point is 01:54:48 Well, not now. Were you like jealous that she got to see that and not you? Yeah, she was like, I had sex with five other guys and I was like, tell me about the Steve-O part more. What was he like? That was the part I was really jealous of. Sarah Heppola is 14 years sober. Sarah Heppola
Starting point is 01:55:06 is 14 years sober? I did see that. Now you want to make fun of her? Yeah, quit her. Can't handle it. I'm how many years I got to find out the first time I
Starting point is 01:55:22 ever toked it. Oh, I know when I can just look for my dad's wedding date There you go The day he got married is I actually tried pot With my soon-to-be aunt Who was my age You know, his wife is close to my age
Starting point is 01:55:39 Yep And yeah Got to try some pot Before I even got into high school Or maybe it was got into high school. Or maybe it was early in high school. She went to Catholic school. And that's what you heard about the Catholic school.
Starting point is 01:55:51 Yes. She went to an all-female Catholic school when it was like... Wild. Yeah, that's the weird secret about private schools, don't you think? I'm sending my kid to this school to get him out of public schools to straighten him out. And it turns out those kids party harder. Like, I had a buddy, you know, Ed. I never knew Ed until we were in college. But Ed told me he was doing cocaine in high school.
Starting point is 01:56:20 I'm like, what? Like, I had a Bartles and James. Like, that's a wine cooler yeah that was as far as i went in high school in public school and some guys smoked cigarettes and i was like this rebel yeah i uh i've told you this before but the the first time i ever smoked pot was at church camp uh incredible the summer between eighth and ninth grade, I did not smoke pot again for about five, six years, like a year into college. But yeah, I mean, I got to church camp and it was like what the church camp kids were
Starting point is 01:56:53 doing. So talk about your all time backfires, mom. Born on the standout dead Martha Washington, George's wife. Yep. You know what she used to do. Load one up. Mm-hmm. And Ma Ferguson, Miriam Ma Ferguson.
Starting point is 01:57:13 That's a great story. Philip probably knows it as well as anyone in here. The first female governor of Texas. That's pretty much the whole story. Her husband was the governor. And like, I don't know if it was just term limits or he had been convicted of potentially crimes. I can't remember if he got convicted, but he was. He was in trouble.
Starting point is 01:57:35 Severely disgraced. Yeah. And so everybody was just like, I'll just put her up there. And everybody just voted for her. So they voted for her knowing he's in charge. He's still the governor. Yeah. Okay. But they just made. So it isn't charge. He's still the governor. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:57:46 But they just made Ma for her. So it isn't like this great story of feminism. It's really not. No. It's not at all. She was 100% a puppet. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:55 It's a tough one. Died on this day. Still dead. We have Chuck Knoll. Do you ever have him on? Chuck Knoll? No. Okay have him on? Chuck Knoll? No. Okay.
Starting point is 01:58:06 I think he was notoriously, I've never even seen him interviewed. Okay. Feels like he was a very, I think I once talked to Sam Rattigliano. I don't know if you're thinking of that. That was an old Browns coach. Chuck Knoll was the Steelers. Steelers, yeah. Of the 70s.
Starting point is 01:58:21 Like how many coaches, the Steelers have had. Like four and 50 years. Since 1969? Three, right? Yeah. Chuck Knoll, Cower, and Tomlin. That's kind of amazing. Actually, it's very amazing. I agree. Thank you. Ned Beatty, who is not only in Superman, we all know that, but of course, Deliverance. Do you ever see Deliverance? Unfortunately not. It's been on the list. Have you seen that scene? Yes.
Starting point is 01:58:53 Okay. Yes. Not only have I seen that scene. Did you ever finish while watching that scene? No. I didn't do that. But there have been multiple rafting or canoe trips that I've taken where we were worried about some of the houses we were passing by.
Starting point is 01:59:15 But there would be people out front that were like, looked a little deliverancy. Yeah. Yeah. And died on this day, still dead. Tim Russert. Oh, man. 2008, a Meet the Press, the Meet the Press moderator. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:31 You're a fan? I mean, I was. That was like in my into politics days and being a neoliberal centrist. I wonder what you would major in now if you went to college. Like, would you get into political science like you did back then? I mean, I don't know. I guess you don't know what you'd be like as an 18-year-old now. I love you, dude.
Starting point is 01:59:52 You probably used to watch Russert's Meet the Press all the time. No? We can't. I have a minority opinion on Tim Russert. Not a fan. One of the worst interviewers ever to have a job that big. Inexplicable. In retrospect,
Starting point is 02:00:05 I don't think Phillip is wrong. He was not really all that particularly intelligent, but he just had a very commanding presence. He was big. He would kind of lean over the table and I don't know. I liked it. So I just learned something about
Starting point is 02:00:21 him this week. That he went to college in Cleveland. And he went, I think it was Case Western Reserve. No one else has heard of that. I was going to say, I didn't know there was a college in Cleveland. Like if I say that, you're going to go, oh no, oh yeah, Case. Case. Okay, yeah, classic.
Starting point is 02:00:43 And he was at Tencent Beer Night. Oh, wow. That's cool. I was listening to a podcast about Tencent Beer Night. Do you remember the brief period of time where they tried to force Tim Russert's son on us? I was not talking to you. Like same show? I don't know if it was same show, but I'm almost positive it was same network.
Starting point is 02:01:05 It definitely gave Jack Collins worth. Did I do that right? I think so. Okay, good. Fantastic. See, I support when my partner tries something new. I wish we could get that over on this side of the table. I've heard of beat your brains in with a bat when you die.
Starting point is 02:01:26 That's true. That was pretty cool of you. You're welcome. What's the song I'm supposed to have ready for the end of the show? No one can remember. Anyway, at this point of the program, even if we can't hear him, you're saying it's speeding through? No, I can hear it now. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 02:01:42 Is when we do closing remarks. And we initially anticipated Adam Romo, but apparently he's... I got a text from Romo. Putting out some fires. Said that the... As CEOs will do. The grapevine Eatsies literally caught fire this morning. And he went there instead of coming here.
Starting point is 02:02:02 And he's very disappointed. He was looking forward to it. He did send food, though. The guy is solid. Trust us. Yeah. We know. You know.
Starting point is 02:02:13 He was our star witness up on the witness stand. Like, he was our only witness, right? I feel like he and the judge had weird chemistry. They really did. You talk about J.J. Redd or John Clay or whatever his name is. And Doris. Yeah, no. There was something.
Starting point is 02:02:31 They were, they were, you know. He's an attractive guy. It's not just that. And he's a personable guy. He's a cultured, cultured man. Yeah. You know, and if you're with one of these types over here. Right.
Starting point is 02:02:42 You know, they run in these circles where, you know. The other thing is that he's- Let me tell you this. These people don't eat Hot Pockets, all right? Especially like an old one they find in their rental house. I had one last night. And it wasn't even one you bought. At halftime.
Starting point is 02:03:00 So, yeah. Romo has spent an enormous amount of time in courtrooms. He's been a corporate representative for his corporation in litigation a ton. So, he's like a pro. Prepping him was a joy. How about for us? It was what I expected. I thought prepping me was all right. No?
Starting point is 02:03:24 Actually, you are a... You just kept telling me was all right. No? Actually, you are... You just kept telling me to back off. Like, don't... Like, I got all the check marks. Like, Jake got a passing grade when we did the prep. And you guys said, no, no, no, don't say that, don't say that, don't say that. But then it worked out for you.
Starting point is 02:03:40 It worked out okay. I've said this before. You were quite comfortable. You learned all the rules, and then you learned which ones you actually wanted to follow. That's the way you got to roll, bruvs. Whereas I was just like, all right, show me the play, show me the route, I'll run that route.
Starting point is 02:03:57 I'll be there kind of a lunch pail type. Like, I got the angles, then I'll run. You can hear a lot of Philip philip of course if you want to go back if you're somewhat of a new listener we have the lawyer round table which was a four part series which a lot of people have just said that's where i started listening to you guys and that's where you're gonna get get the fan that murders you. That's a weird thing to be a fan of. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:30 I have brief intros. Yeah. We have a special guest today, Jacob. My friend Jeff Cagle's friend came. He also is a listener to Loserville, my podcast. If you want to talk about the Venn diagram. See, that's why he had us out here, to promote his podcast. That's it, yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:49 That's actually, probably my social media is also the best way to find the law firm, which we've established cannot be spelled. Say it, though. Shields Winupst. Winupst, okay. We have the great Matt Stubbs, landscape architect extraordinaire,
Starting point is 02:05:06 longtime friend of TC and Jake's. We've got the great Kevin Vela, superb business lawyer, particularly for startups. Very smart guy, good friend of ours. Did I note Kevin Vela just commandeered one of your offices and was in there like working like a lawyer does?
Starting point is 02:05:23 Alpha. Yeah. Absolute alpha move. Yeah. he he asked i was very polite because i walked down the hall to get some food and i'm like wait that's cat does he work here like you just took over someone's office there's a bookcase behind him and all this well and jeff cagle was going to be in here but he's literally doing a mediation from my office. So that's apparently how this works. And we have also the great Neil Berger from Carrington Coleman. I decided to get all smarter lawyers than I was for the show. Well, you're very good at facilitating.
Starting point is 02:05:56 I don't know. I was, in fact, Jake and I were worried. We were talking before we ever did the whole thing. You were our only lawyer. We ended up with the dream team. But remember when even introducing him to Bruning, it was like, should we do that? Like, I'm not sure. I don't want somebody to, you know, intrude on your turf.
Starting point is 02:06:17 Like, if you want to do it. And Phillip's like, yeah, bring him on. Now Bruning's like tired of hearing from me. Yeah. I love that guy so much. But no, you were the puppet master as far as pulling everyone's string and using them and using everybody to their certain strength, I thought. He has like a...
Starting point is 02:06:33 You were very willing to back off and say, no, this isn't my thing. It felt very much like being involved in sports to me, you know, because you need somebody who's like, look, i have a bit of a dominant personality here but also that doesn't mean that i'm going to exclude other people from being involved or just like constantly railroad you um because i'm me yeah like that's like what you need and it was awesome well i think i've this before. I learned how to do that from making mistakes, not because I'm genius. Yeah, and it should be mentioned
Starting point is 02:07:10 that both Frank and Liz send their regrets. They both wanted to be here. Frank is on some fabulous vacation. I can't remember where he told me he was going, and Liz is trapped at work, so sorry they didn't make it. I offered to buy Bruning a ticket down here and he didn't even respond to that so that's that's um very uh predictable so frank um alerted me to
Starting point is 02:07:37 a uh my ticket confession conspiracy theory okay that i didn't know if you all had been exposed to. Were you aware that you don't really have a lot of subbies? What does that mean? The theory, as Frank forwarded me some choice screenshots. We're doing like farming?
Starting point is 02:08:00 I should have never introduced Frank to my take a confession. This is true. It was not a smart decision. Because that's run by, I think the guy on there is a lawyer. Or somebody in there. He claims to be, but it's like every now and then you read it and you're like, this is a lawyer?
Starting point is 02:08:13 I don't know. Okay. Shots fired. Anyway, he sent me some screenshots, and the theory goes that your success is phantom because I have, in fact, paid for the majority of your subscribers. That's where our money's been going? Apparently. So it's like a laundering thing because it's just going back to Philip.
Starting point is 02:08:37 Well, I want to be very clear. I don't care. Yeah. That sounds awesome to me. Yeah, I don't know what the end game of the conspiracy theory is. That's awesome. But yeah, that's the theory he introduced me to. I feel like that's the type of people we should try to get on.
Starting point is 02:08:57 What, the guy from My Ticket Confession? Well, the person who has that theory. Like, just explain it to us. Like, tell us how and why you think this would be beneficial to anybody involved. But then how do you get him out of the room? How do you what? How do you get him out of the room? Well.
Starting point is 02:09:13 That's what Blake's for. That's what we're worrying about right here, Phillip. That's a Zoom guest. 6268 is what the followers are. One more. We're one away. I bet it happens today. You think we're going to get to 6268 is what the followers are. One more. We're one away. I bet it happens today. You think we're going to get to 6269?
Starting point is 02:09:30 I think so, yeah. She's grinding on the gram. We got Danny coming up tomorrow. That's right. Congrats to Rachel for really pumping up those gram numbers. Now, what does that mean? And X and Facebook. And X and Facebook.
Starting point is 02:09:43 She just wants to make sure she gets congratulated for all that she should. And she should. So I feel like you're probably headed somewhere with this, but why do you have those biscuits? Biscuits are for presents in a minute. Okay. I was going to say, like, we need to. We're going to discuss the biscuits. Do you remember the last gift that he gave us?
Starting point is 02:10:03 I brought it to the rent house with me. The last gift that Phillip gave us was probably like salsa or something, right? That might have been the last one, but the one I'm thinking of is the piece of Sky Mirror. Oh.
Starting point is 02:10:20 Yeah. You brought it to the lake house. Did I say lake house?'m in rent house yeah i brought it to your current house like when we moved out i was like i have to make sure they don't screw this up yeah i found myself at the uh dedication of sky mirror standing with uh what is that sentence yeah why were you there uh council back then i was chairing the arts and culture committee, and so Jerry's people invited me. And he was super cool to me. I mean, that was nice.
Starting point is 02:10:50 But I found myself with Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth absolutely doing a version of the Chris Farley show. You remember? Remember when? Yeah. Y'all are great. Yeah. And Chris is like, now here's a piece. Look at this.
Starting point is 02:11:06 This piece of Sky Mirror here. I think I turned and walked away so that they wouldn't have to. That's always a solid play. I think that's how I did that. Okay. Stuff from this week. Jake, don't read any more of the shit that's coming out about the pension.
Starting point is 02:11:28 Oh, yeah, it's bulsh. It's complete bulsh. I was on that board for four years. Do you know that? I knew you were involved. Yeah, we fired everybody. We got the thing recapitalized. The thing that's going on now, And everybody is falling for the same shit.
Starting point is 02:11:45 So I'm not like criticizing you, but I just read the DMN story, which I know at times is, uh, well, and it's, it's because it's what the pension is saying. It's what city council people are saying,
Starting point is 02:11:56 but, um, it is fine. It's not great. Like it's not going away. Um, they are trying to get the city to borrow a bunch of money to put more money into the pension so they can have better benefits, which I get. I mean, everybody wants better benefits, but it's, uh, it is currently about 69 years from funding.
Starting point is 02:12:20 And I didn't just make that up, Dan. I looked it up this morning. Okay. Pensions do one of two things. They're like your investment accounts. You like, I know that Blake made y'all get investment accounts. So have you ever like looked at your statement? Does it ever like, is it ever just a straight line? No. Right. It goes up and it goes down. And so pensions are either growing toward what's called full funding or they're dropping to insolvency. There is no middle. And right now, the first responder pension is slowly going toward full funding, not as fast as they would want it to. But this is all a ruse to get us to give them more money. And it's interesting because it's being pushed by a member of city council whose brother is the general counsel of the pension fund.
Starting point is 02:13:15 It's always something like that. It's not even a brother-in-law deal on this one. Okay. So if you make something that's doing decently sound like it's doing horribly, perhaps you can get it more than you actually needed to get it above decent. You're picking up on the advocacy package that they're putting out. And in general, defined benefit pension plans are actually much better than and more stable than people managing their own money. Yeah, I definitely have heard that. You get thousands of people get to hire the best minds
Starting point is 02:13:52 in the business as opposed to the guys that you and I can afford to hire who are not. And sometimes might just have like a wild idea. Right. And they're like, well, I think this is going to hit. But that's what i was saying about my grandfather the other day like i don't think he ever had a financial advisor he just had the gm pension for however many years and lived off of it worked great lived quite well and also love chappy to death you know he and i get along great but yeah not not particularly right about the future of Social Security. No, and I'm not a huge fan of his views on labor or union either. He comes from a certain perspective. He does. He does.
Starting point is 02:14:37 Jake, you're wrong on Mad Max. Go back, start with The Road Warrior, which is the second movie. Yeah, that's what you said, right? It is going to be so up your alley. You're going to love it. It's a post-apocalyptic remake of Shane. I don't know what that is. Do you know that movie?
Starting point is 02:14:54 Nope. Shane is an old Western. I've never seen it, but I thought you might have. Is it John Wayne? No. Okay, then no. The only reason I know it, I think, is because they mentioned it around the table in Goodfellas when they were trying to guess a movie. And that's a pretty obscure reference.
Starting point is 02:15:12 I'll just pass it back to you, Phil. Yep, okay. I will watch it. You have my word. Yeah. So long as I don't have to pay you any more money. I will not send you a bill for Mad Max. And you can skip the third one.
Starting point is 02:15:26 Okay. But the fourth one is Fury Road, and it's phenomenal. Okay. Two and four. And I haven't seen the new one, which is Furiosa, but it's getting phenomenal reviews. It looks really cool, the new one. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:15:41 I would say, so if I had to just rank them, I would say just as an entry point, Fast Five, do that one first. Well, you got to start with the OG, right? You don't. Yeah, I mean, maybe. But I feel like if you see Fast Five and you see that, you're going to be like, how did we get here? And then you can go back okay all right that's a good point it's just my my take on it that is awesome and so we've
Starting point is 02:16:13 reached the presence portion of closing remarks and true to form whenever i interact with you guys i'm either actually on vacation or this time I'm just back from vacation. You look great. Thank you. I went to Hawaii. Got a little sun. Oh, nice. And so I brought you.
Starting point is 02:16:32 Which island? I went to Hawaii and Maui. And I brought you culturally inappropriate and misogynistic. Bottle openers. Yes. Yes. That's great. So Jake doesn't have to use the one on the bottom of his flip-flop anymore? Right. Yes. That's great. So Jake doesn't have to use
Starting point is 02:16:45 the one on the bottom of his flip-flop anymore? Right. Exactly. Or my jewel. Do they have them on jewels now? No, I mean, you can make do.
Starting point is 02:16:54 You could use your jewel. Yeah. And I got the bikini shot glass from Blake. A Hawaiian solar doll. So does she dance when you put it out in the sun? Okay, nice.
Starting point is 02:17:02 Fantastic. Yeah. So you'll be both culturally insensitive and misogynistic at the same time. Excellent. I'm always one of those things. I brought Blake the bikini shot glass because it's a lady with no head, which I feel like is kind of his lane. Yeah, send him a picture. Thanks, Rachel. I feel like it's kind of his lane. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:26 Send him a picture. Thanks, Rachel. And Melissa, my wife, who's a huge fan of y'all's as people, but who does not listen to the show, did hear of your love for the cheddar bay biscuits. And she purchased these out of the bank these are the red lobster biscuits she intervened in the bankruptcy to purchase and i'm going to give rachel uh blake's box because he wasn't he didn't show up and also he lost the last episode i was on you were on that episode oh yeah yeah him and mcc Him and McCool. Me and McCool. Teddy E. Oh, my gosh. That was an explosive episode.
Starting point is 02:18:08 It was fire. Ted Emmerich was funnier than I've ever heard of. Don't you feel like of all the episodes you've listened to of ours, that was probably top five? The only thing I think could beat it is the one that you guys were so impressed with that nobody heard. Didn't you say the first lost episode is the funniest one ever um i think we might have just said that we're doing pretty good yeah at the time it was the funniest ever but i thought we've we've done better yeah you may have reached new heights the one the one with all three of you guys was awesome yeah we had mike reiner we oh have Reiner. Had that part. That's right, the only part we saved.
Starting point is 02:18:45 Yeah. Because it was on the stream yard. But, you know, Blake, I think you do a great job. Sure, but... Be clear about that. Since he lost it, he doesn't get these biscuits. That's right. Hell no.
Starting point is 02:18:56 Those go to Rachel. The thing is, you just add shredded cheddar, water, and butter, and then voila. I feel like if you just did that to any biscuit mix, it would become the cheddar... Don't know. No. It's a scam.
Starting point is 02:19:14 I'm going to make these tonight. Okay, that's a bluff. Anyway, still super proud of you boys. We're proud of you. Thanks for having us out here at a uh actually a double 690. yes we we we did 1380 because it's like two 690s at the same time you want to promote your business at all or is that not something you want to sure yeah i don't know i'm a big fan of his i've done it for a long time um and he wore that shirt just to... He wore the NASA shirt to troll you. I did wear the NASA shirt just to troll Jake.
Starting point is 02:19:47 But I have a long history of trolling Jake with space at the IJB podcast. Yes. That's not a great brag to have, but okay. I just didn't know if you wanted to pump the business a little. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:20:02 We're now KSS at DSGN. DSGN is our main company architects landscape architects planners if you need anything mstubs at dsgn.com give me a holler there you go can you come over and weed our bed that's really what i need landscape uh if you found me in a college i could have done that yeah come on dude we're talking about this is like i worked at a golf course in maintenance how tom Tom Hicks gets his lawn done type thing, but I don't know.
Starting point is 02:20:28 Based on some of the houses we've been to. Yeah, for sure. I feel like there are people who... Yeah, some of the people listening might want to call you. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 02:20:37 Or Phillip, I guess. Yeah, or Phillip. If they get involved in some kind of litigation. All right, sweet. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:20:44 Adios, mofo. Adios, mofo. Well, I heard there was a wonder boy that many teams would not employ, but you don't really care for Euros do you so where would he go the fourth the fifth or would he fall and be a neck the baffling Kings took back Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah. Well, his game was strong, but we needed proof We hadn't seen him play Mizzou But his playmaking and passing overthrew you And he led the break, it wasn't fair
Starting point is 02:22:01 His step back three flew through the air It fell and Dallas traded up for Lucas It wasn't fair. His step back three flew through the air. It fell and Dallas traded up for Luca. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah, hallelujah Well maybe he should have been your pick Even though he's white and thick
Starting point is 02:22:40 He's colder than a tall glass of kombucha And we all cheered for his debut And injured Dirk was cheering too And every man said, shouted, Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah, hallelujah Hallelujah, hallelujah © transcript Emily Beynon

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