The Duran Podcast - Biden's decade in Ukraine comes to an end

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Biden's decade in Ukraine comes to an end

All right, Alexander, let's talk about the Biden pardon. Biden pardoned Biden, Joe Biden, pardoned, Hunter Biden. And the interesting part about this pardon is that it covers a 10, 11-year period. And it starts at 2014. What happened on the year of 2014? What was going on in 2014? for this pardon to cover all of this time. Anyway, it's a very, I was reading a lot of analysis,

legal analysis, and they say this is a very extensive pardon. A lot of the analysts, even on Politico, which is very pro-Biden. They even said they have not seen a pardon like this in generations, I think they said. In generations, they have not seen a pardon like this. Anyway, what are your thoughts on the Biden parted of Biden? Well, to answer your question, what happened? in 2014, what happened in 2014 is that there was a change of government in Ukraine. That is the event that is clearly the starting point.

I say a change of government, but of course that's a euphemism. We had the Maidan coup. President Yanukovych was violently overthrown. A new government loyal to the United States took over. Vice President Biden, as he then was, was already Obama's point man, dealing with Ukrainian issues. He then visited Ukraine several times, as I very well remember, in the spring of 2014. He chaired a cabinet meeting in Kiev. If you search around, you might even still find the photographs.

Have you chairing the cabinet meeting? A war began at around that time in the Dombas and a certain youngish man who was related to Joe Biden, who was in fact his son, suddenly started to get all sorts of very interesting contracts with various, with one particular company, Burisma Limited, as you, by the way, extensively documented, both of, at the time and later. It got remarkably little attention at the time, but a few people, a few people were writing about it and you were one at that particular time. A youngish man, as I said, got landed a lovely job on Burisma's board doing, well, just to have been quite clear what exactly he was doing for us. Energy expert. Energy expert, energy expert. Political, just to reach you the title, Alexander, So you can go off on this.

Politico, we haven't seen a pardon as sweeping as Hunter Biden's in generations. That's the title from Politico. Exactly. Well, there you go. So a huge expansive, a huge expansive pardon extending all the way back to 2014, covering the whole Burisma affair. I mean, I think that's the first point to say. I mean, that is what this covers. It also covers all kinds of other things.

many things which have not been investigated or at least not properly investigated, let alone reported and certainly not so far charged. As of this moment in time, he has been charged and convicted of just two offenses that I'm aware of. One is on the tax issues, the other is on gun possession. So it's clear that this pardon goes far. beyond those things and as Professor Jonathan Turley of George Washington University amongst many others Robert Barnes yourself myself the people of the Grey Zone all sorts of other people have been pointing up for a great length of time Hunter's activities the ones that are really interesting the activities that involve his

commercial dealings, specifically in Ukraine, but also in China as well. Well, they extend to someone else. And that somebody else is the person who's referred to in various emails as the big guy. And that big guy is, of course, the man who was at that time vice president of the United States and who is now, as of the time making this program, still the president of the United States. So I'm going to make a suggestion. Not only has the president, Joe Biden pardoned his son, granting him an incredibly sweeping pardon, but he has in effect pardoned himself because it's very difficult. That's impossible to see how any conceivable legal action could be brought against him,

personally, for things which he perhaps has done or perhaps not. We've had no, as I said, proper investigation of these things, but about which he, a significant amount of evidence exists, email evidence, documentary evidence, witness evidence, all of that exists. Absolutely. All that evidence exists. It's very difficult to see how those cases, those cases could be brought given that the person who acted as Joe Biden's agent or purported agent and be very careful in my use of words,

As I always am, Hunter Biden cannot be prosecuted for these things anymore. So as I said to me, Hunter has been pardoned and in effect the president has also pardoned himself. Does this mean that all of the things that went down in 2014, starting with the coup in Ukraine, that all of this now is just going to be forgotten that this can't be investigated? Or it will not be investigated because you can't really get to an end point now, given this part. I think that's clearly the intention. Of course, it can be investigated. You can still do research. You can still do investigation.

What you cannot do. But to what effect? That's my question. Well, okay, okay. Why would someone go through with this? This is interesting. Because the Democrats themselves in 2021, created the precedent of impeaching a president after he left office.

And it is not impossible. I mean, it's theoretically possible that if you could accumulate enough evidence, or enough evidence of what actually happened, you could argue that the actions of the president himself, when he was vice president, holding elected office, and the president himself in granting this pardon were impeachable offences. Now, I'm not saying that will ever be brought, and of course, there's always the problem that you need a two-thirds majority in the Senate in order to impeach, but in theory it could be done. It'd be very embarrassing for Joe Biden. I'm not saying that the Republicans, the Donald Trump and his team, are going to go there. But,

If you are asking me, is there a theoretical end point there is, given that that very bad precedent was created back in 2021, and it's a precedent that can now be used against Biden. Right. But there's no legal endpoint now. I mean... I can't really see one. I mean, again, one could in theory argue that if Joe Biden was the, mastermind, he was the ultimate criminal, well, he hasn't been pardoned. the son was so the son can be it can't be prosecuted but that doesn't mean that you can't bring a prosecution against the father well i think it'd be a very complicated thing to do because bear in mind without bringing a case against the son especially the son now refuses to give evidence which

he's bound to do it's very difficult to construct a case that involves the father So I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying it's extremely difficult. And personally, I wouldn't expect it. Yeah. To get to the father, you have to go through the son. Through the son. What does this mean for Ukraine?

Does this signal anything for Project Ukraine? Could this perhaps signal that the Biden family is 100% out of Project Ukraine fully out? Yes. Yes. they're not going to go back there. I mean, bear in mind. So they've done their 10 years. They've done their 10 years.

They're not really going back there again. I mean, that is absolutely clear to me. So it is the beginning of the end of the Biden family. And I'm going to suggest the Democrats' involvement in project in Ukraine. I mean, I think this period of officials and the sons and daughters and former officials of the Democratic Party going off to Ukraine, making heaps of money there, doing all kinds of things. I think that's ended. I think that period in Ukrainian history is now, and American history, is now ended.

So the purpose of Biden, the sun, being on the board of Burisma, at least in our analysis, and I think we've got this pretty much right, was to provide Krisha protection, cover for the various oligarchs that were fighting it out in Ukraine at the time. What does this say about the, what would you say this means for the oligarchs that are still in Ukraine, that are still fighting for power? The Poroshenko's, I mean, Kolomoisky is still floating around. You could say that he's also around there, but all of these oligarchs that are in power in Ukraine, including Zelensky.

I guess you could say Zelensky is an oligarch. Yeah, absolutely. He's definitely amassed. enough money to be considered an oligarch. But what does this mean for all of them now? Yeah. Is the protection, the Krisha, that was in Ukraine for 10 years, is now officially, you could say it's officially done.

Yes. Is there a new protection, a new krisha that they're looking at? Is this going to come from different sources, from the UK, from the EU? Or are they going to be left to the fate of Russia? Well, and so forwardly, I mean, they could look for extensive. Just to say clearly is protection. I mean, it's the roof, it means roof, but it's the Russian word,

criminal argot if you like in Russia, for protection. It's the protection that a patron provides to his clients in order to ensure that they're not prosecuted or investigated. Anybody who tries to do that knows that there's somebody, There's somebody very, very powerful up there who can block that and who can come up, come take action against the investigators. So this is a very, very common practice.

It was a very common practice in Russia. It started during the Soviet period, it swelled to a huge scale. I say Russia, I mean, also Ukraine, obviously. It started during the Soviet period, it swelled to vast dimensions in the 1990s and continued into the early 2000s. In Russia itself, it still exists, but on a much, much smaller scale. In Ukraine, it exists still, on a huge scale, and the party that the most powerful political force in Ukrainian politics was the United States. So the people who were in a best positioned to provide creation.

were people who were connected in various ways to the US government. And what was the point about, Khrusha, is that protection is provided in return for favours. So these could be financial, or they could be acts of political loyalty, or all sorts of things. It's a way of binding and elite together, very common in Soviet and post-Soviet societies. So without the United States, the main party extending Khrusha has quit the scene. Now, there are still alternative groups in Ukraine that might external parties that might do that. There's the EU, there's Germany, there's Britain. They're not going to be an adequate substitute for the United States.

So I think that the oligarchs in Ukraine understand perfectly. well, that the Russians have absolutely no time for them. Putin, one of the major things that he did as leader of Russia was that he broke the power of the oligarchs. He's certainly not somebody who's going to want to give Krisha to Ukrainian oligarchs, who he despises and has spoken about in the most scathing terms. He said things about Kolomoisky publicly, which, you know, are very big. barely principal. So he's not going to provide Krisha to the Ukrainians. They will therefore

try and for a short time look around to give Krisha to each other. But what we shall see, what we will probably see, is an intensification of internal political struggles between the oligarchs within the Ukraine itself. But more and more of the oligarchs are going to start to bail out because without the United States, with a signal that the United States is quitting the scene, which is how they will see this, they will come to the conclusion that Ukraine itself is no longer safe of them. Yeah, final question. What does this say about Biden and his latest moves connected to the conflict in Ukraine? So we get this pardon and a lot of it, if not Most of it is about Ukraine, or it definitely starts from Ukraine in 2014.

But you also have in his last two months as president, you have the long-range missile strikes into Russian territory. You have another, I believe he's given another $20 billion, or he's trying to give another $20 billion to Ukraine. He's trying to get as many weapons, $8 billion in weapons to Ukraine. And of course, you have the $300 billion in frozen assets or whatever that amount is, sitting in Euroclear, putting all of this stuff together, given it's the last two months, month and a half of Biden's presidency, everyone around Biden. When I say Biden, I always mean

Biden and everyone around Biden. What do you think this says? Does this add anything to say the long, long-range missile strikes that he greenlit? Does this signal something about peacekeepers in Ukraine that Boris Johnson was talking about peacekeepers? You know what I mean? with that word, tourist missiles. I mean, how do you view this in the big picture of things with the last couple of months in Biden's presidency? I think it explains them. I mean, by the way, they're talking about they've got 50 days.

What they're doing, or the way it looks to me at the moment, is that they're closing the books. They are doing everything they possibly can to make sure that all the positions are closed, which is why we're getting all the money being sent to Ukraine, $6 billion, apparently. over the next 50 days will be sent transferred to Ukraine. There is said to be, though it's not been publicly confirmed, a request made to Congress privately for another $24 billion on top of that. You have the $50 billion loan as well, I believe, which is always being discussed here. All of that, all of that's being rushed through to try to get it to Ukraine as quickly as they possibly can.

And of course, there's the missile strike. which now starting to look, I have to say, increasingly like some kind of payoff to the Ukrainians as well. Basically to buy silence and to do everything you possibly can. To close the books before the Biden administration quits the scene, to close the books on a project that has clearly failed and that they're now all walking away from. I think that this event, by the way, by the way, strengthens my belief that all of these, all this talk about negotiations isn't in the end going to lead anywhere and that people in the Biden administration are basically

now preparing for a fall of Saigon scenario sometime in the next year or so, hopefully after the books have been closed and after they've left all the, they've left the scene. You said a payoff for the long-range missile strikes into Russia? after the Ukrainians. In other words, what you're basically doing is you say, look, Biden is still president. We don't want you to bring up this whole topic, all these various topics of all of these things that have been going on in Ukraine. So we're going to give you some missiles. We're going to help you to do these strikes against Russia. We're going to provide you with all the money and all the weapons that we possibly can in return for which we want your continued

silence both now and in the future. So that's what it looks like to me. Yeah. All right. I guess we're never going to really get to the bottom of everything that happened in Ukraine. No, I wouldn't be that pessimistic. We will probably find out an awful lot, but it may very well come. And this has to be faced. It may very well come in academic literature, you know, historians and people like that writing about these things. It's not the first time. I remember, some years ago, reading about there was a massive scandal in 18th century Britain called the South Sea bubble.

And it was widely suspected that the king and various other members of the royal family had been involved in. It was a financial scandal. And the person who had the fraudster at the heart of the scandal fled to Vienna. And there were suggestions that, in fact, the British, even though they were trying to get him back, weren't really trying to get him back. Well, recently, 300 years after the event, somebody, a historian went and found the documentation in the archives in Vienna, that in fact, even as the British were asking the Austrians to return this man to Britain,

they were also contacting the Austrians and telling them, Please, please, keep him, leave him where he is. So I'm not saying it'll take 300 years, but it'll probably take a fair amount of time. We might all be dead and gone, but I think the truth will one day be told, but we might not be the people who see it. All right. Well, who knows? Maybe we could put together a show from the Great Bion.

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