The Duran Podcast - Georgia regime change STOPPED...for now

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

Georgia regime change STOPPED...for now The Duran: Episode 2105

All right, Alexander. Let's talk about what has happened in Georgia. We have a new president who has been inaugurated and the former president, Salome Azura Bichrilli, the French, French citizen, former president of Georgia. She was saying that she's not going to leave, actually physically not leave her office as president, but she ended up leaving, eventually leaving. She said she's going to take the legitimacy of the office with her as she exited the scene. So regime change in Georgia for now seems to have ended, but the European Union and the globalists, they're not going to stop. They're going to continue to try and regime change Georgia dream. Lavrov actually said in an interview that Russia's more than ready to reestablish good relations

with Georgia, while the Baltic states, they have said that they demand, they continue to demand new elections in Georgia. They want an investigation and new elections in Georgia. So how do you see the situation on folding in Georgia? Georgia Dream has won an important battle. It's almost certainly seen off this particular color revolution attempt. It's managed to do that. for basically three reasons. Firstly, it's been a successful government. It has been. Ever since it was elected, came to power in 2011. It's managed to, as to 2011, 2012, it's managed to build, you know, to stabilize the Georgian economy, to improve living standards, to bring a sense of stability back to a country which has not experienced very much,

stability since it gained its independence of the Soviet Union in 19, in in in in 1991. So it's been a successful government and it has handled this particular crisis, this this color revolution attempt well. I mean it has trodden the line intelligently. It's it's been firm. It's never made unilateral concessions. It's never made the mistake of criticizing its own police in the way that the Ukrainian, the Yanukovych government did during the Maidan protests in 2013, 2014.

They backed their police. They've at the same time not let themselves be provoked into extreme overreactions. And they've been able to hold things together and they've been able to hold things together and they've been able to remain united. So that's one reason why they've succeeded. The second is that the population, the great majority of the people of Georgia, as is now clear, support Georgia Dream and recognize the election. So Georgia Dream, according to the election, results, won 53% of the vote.

There was an OSCE monitoring team in Georgia during the elections. It's been barely reported in the West, but the OSCE monitors gave the election an overall stamp of approval. So it looks as if the election was fair, but generally fair. So most people in Georgia know this. They accept the result of the election. they supported Georgia Dream going through all of this. And the third, the third reason, is that the outside interference in Georgia was so crude and so transparent. It was so obvious who was backing the protesters, who was funding them, who was threatening all kinds of people with sanctions, that it became obvious.

that it became obvious, I think, again, to most people in Georgia, that the country was coming under extraordinary amounts of outside pressure, and that this was not actually an internal event at all, but an externally imposed one. So they won this battle. Georgia Dreamers won this battle for those three reasons. They've not won the war. And I think that's the essential thing to understand, because Zudabishvili is no longer the president. That means that the entire governmental apparatus is now controlled by Georgia Dream. The military, the police, all of those agencies have remained loyal, so have stuck with Georgia dreams through this whole process.

So has most of the population. We now have the NGO law, which is going to start, I suspect, being more effective. It's going to expose increasingly. the information about, you know, who actually is funding these NGOs and ultimately these protests and all of those things. But we know one thing, which is that the kind of people who support these color revolutions in the United States, in Europe, they've not gone away. They are furious that this latest attempt has failed.

They will wait for the next opportunity, an economic crisis, a recession, higher inflation, something of that kind, and they will do whatever they can to make use of that in order to restart this thing all over again. And next time, they might be more successful. So Georgia Dream has won an essential battle, but the war goes on. The political struggle for Georgia has not ended. Now, what should Georgia Dream do? I think it's absolutely obvious what they need to do. They need to mend their fences with Russia, start building again on the already successful economic and commercial relationship with Russia and start thinking about integrating with the Briggs.

I was going to ask the same question of you and say the same thing, reestablish relations, not only with Russia, but with China. India Bricks. I mean, just really open up that brick store. Georgia says that they're still looking at the European Union and treat the European Union, right? But do they really mean that? I mean, is that even possible anymore?

Knowing that it's the very EU that tried to regime change you, I mean, at least the Georgia dream government would not possibly be able to look at the European Union in its current state and actually talk about a session into the EU after trying to be regime-chase? I mean, how do you sit down at a table with Ursula or Kayakhalis and deal with them knowing that they want to remove you?

Well, you can't. I mean, I would have thought that would be absurd. Unfortunately, and I have to say unfortunately, because we are in this situation now, unfortunately, this whole issue of Georgia joining the EU has become an absolute, you know, sacred mission for all the various dominant political forces in Georgia, going all the way back to Georgia's independence in 1991. And it's spread widely across Georgian society. And large numbers of people and Georgia are still committed to it, including people who still support

Georgia Dream. So for that reason, Georgia Dream, even though talk, practical purposes while it remains in power, it's not going to be able to join the EU. Whilst Georgia Dream cannot generally believe that it will enter the European Union, they have to go through the motions of pretending that one day, one day Georgia will. Now, they can take, they can borrow the copy book. They can copy what a government not that far away geographically is also doing, which is Turkey. Turkey, as Erdogan recently reminded Ursula in a rather stiff meeting they had in Ankara. Turkey is still applying for EU membership.

Is that an EU membership application that goes back? Oh, I can't even remember how long. started talking about joining the EU way back in 1964. Just to say. But the fact that they still have this EU, this application for EU membership hasn't prevented them from also becoming a BRICS partner state. So Georgia could say to itself, well, Turkey's doing it. Why shouldn't we?

Yeah, it's amazing that people are still are still into joining the EU after everything we've seen and everything that has been revealed from the EU, the fact that it is in the decline, the fact that all the economies in the European Union are in recession, the conflict in Ukraine and the position that they've taken there, canceling elections in Romania, after everything we've seen from the European Union, the leadership of the EU, the laughing stock that they are across the world, their incompetence that there are still people, even in political parties that want to join this union. It's beyond, it's beyond explanation. Well, there is, the rarer explanations for it. I mean,

first of all, I mean, there is enormous momentum behind this because, you know, back at the time when the Soviet Union collapsed, joining the EU was the, you know, the civilized, the clever thing to do everybody wanted to do it. Even many people in Russia thought that Russia as destiny was to join the EU. I remember that. I remember going to Russia in the 90s and quite a few people were talking about it then. So, you know, that that did exist. But I think there's a number of things to say about this. Firstly, there is always a group of people in every one of these countries, well-connected, powerful people, people who control media, who have, you important businesses who do those sort of things, oligarchs, if you like, who do want to join the

EU because they think that even if it might not do very much for their societies, it will do an awful lot for them. If you are, you're on a construction company, for example, you might hope that if you join the EU, you'll be able to get money from structural funds and you'll be able to build roads to nowhere and pocket some of that money for yourself. There's an awful lot of that goes on within the EU. And it should, it's attractiveness to a lot of people should not be underestimated. Even though, by the way, Oscella is cutting back on that because she needs money to continue to fund her project, which is Ukraine.

That's another storm. But to say straightforwardly, even in Georgia, where they were very, very, very, very, very, keen on the EU at one time. It was a very, very popular project. I sense the popularity actually has been fading. And there's a very straightforward reason, economics. Now, when Georgia signed, I believe it was an association agreement with the EU about 10 years ago, under the existing Georgia dream government, very much. Like in Ukraine, it was expected that it would trigger an economic boom, that there would be huge amount of prosperity.

It hasn't turned out like that. It's been the old story, big EU companies, muscle in, drive out local businesses. They corner the market to the extent that they can. We see this in Greece, we see this in Cyprus, that sort of thing. Overall, it's not been a great success economically. The relationship between Georgia and the EU has not been a great success. And what we've been seeing over the last couple of years is that gradually, quietly, Georgia Dream has been redirecting Georgia's trade back to Russia, which is its traditional economic partner,

and that has paid very big economic dividends. So trade with Russia, I believe, is now overtaken trade with the EU. Russia is now Georgia's biggest trading partner again. Much of it, to say it straightforwardly, I'm sure, connected with sanctions busting. I'm sure a lot of that is going on. I don't want to get it, you know, probe too much into all of this. But the fact is that the relationship, the economic relationship with Russia, is becoming more and more and more important again.

It's lifting the economy. It's causing living standards to rise. People can feel it. And that is gradually causing them to change their perspectives about the EU. All right. We will end the video there. The durand.com. We are on Rumble odyssey, but shoot, telegram, Rockfin, and X.

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