The Duran Podcast - How Occultists and Bankers Manufactured WW2 Germany w/ Matthew Ehret

Episode Date: July 5, 2026

How Occultists and Bankers Manufactured WW2 Germany w/ Matthew Ehret

All right, Alexander, we are here with Matthew Erritt, joining us on the Duran. Once again, Matt, how are you doing? And where can people follow your work? Oh, it's always a pleasure. I'm doing okay. And people can follow my work on Canadian patriot.org or rising tide foundation.net. All right. I will have those links in the description box down below as well as a pinned comment. So, Alexander, Matt, we got some interesting.

interesting topics to get to so I'll pass it off to you gentlemen. So Matt, Matt has been very, very active and very busy and he's been doing work on documentaries and articles. Perhaps we can start by asking you to tell us a little bit about those, Matt. Most certainly, yeah. My wife and I recently unleashed a new documentary called Black Sun Rising just two, three weeks ago, and we accompanied that with a special report of 200-page, large-scale booklet

to just accompany the documentary, which deals with the disturbing rehabilitation of the figure of Adolf Hitler and Nazis more generally amongst a big chunk, a growing array of the conspiracy-minded community that we tend to interface with, who tend to think a little bit more circumspect about the official narratives of the attempt to explain big things in history, which is useful to look behind the scenes for agendas, behind assassinations, revolutions, revolutions, and wars, as we all know. However, as my grandmother had once said, if you allow your mind to open too much, your brains could fall out. And sometimes I think that there's a space for Trojan horses as people begin to doubt official narratives, they throw

the baby out with the bathwater, increasingly, whether it's through Nick Fuentes, and his provocateur nature, but the narratives he's been putting out over the past few years, consistently portraying Hitler as the hero of World War II or the Europa films, which have been increasingly – I mean, these went quite viral, again, showing a certain degree of unacceptable truths about what caused World War II, but then infusing a lot of Trojan horse to, again, make Hitler seemed like the good guy, and that the real bad guy was the Stalin and the Russians. And we've seen this again and again, but it's becoming more and more popular. Increasingly also Templarism, this idea of a new crusader idea to bring back the ethic of the lost masculinity, which woke doctrines

have washed away in our feminized society, and now we need to bring back men, man's masculinity for the new nationalism of whether it's in Europe or whether it's in the United States. And all of this, I just smell weeks of the type of propaganda and hypnotic inductions imposed onto the German people in the years leading up to Hitler's acquisition of power. And so we decided to make this documentary to really just showcase, well, what was really what was Nazism really all about? What allowed this to rise, what allowed the culture to become so radicalized, both on the left and on the right, alike that created this schism out of which the synthesis of Naziism could be introduced, funded by those same Wall Street and London financiers and backers that continue to exert great influence over the world after World War II was finished and still to this very day. So, you know, it's a fun exercise.

So a few things here. I mean, I think you're absolutely correct in saying that there's been a great flowering of what some people call revisionist history, which can take many forms about the 1930s and 1940s. Some of it is valid historical research and people looking and asking themselves about a lot of the establishment narratives that have existed about the Second World War. A comprehensive thorough history of the Second World War, my opinion, has never been written because so much of the archives relating to it have either been lost or destroyed, purposefully destroyed, or remain closed. And certainly in Britain, a lot of the archives remain closed. And if we're talking about Germany, the Germans systematically destroyed their archives, as is well known amongst scholars. in the last months of the war. So a huge amount of material.

I mean, Hitler's private archive, he destroyed himself, for example. The last few weeks, he went and took out all his papers, and he's safe, and he burnt them. So there's an awful lot we don't know. So, you know, looking, trying to understand what happened, trying to understand the interconnections of what took place. That is valid history, and a lot of it is real. Other parts of it are history that clearly are based on some people's agendas. And I have to say that a lot of what this so-called revisionist history is all about is exactly what you said,

trying to turn the story of the Second World War completely upon its head. The generation that lived through and fought through the Second World War is now either very very, old or dying, so they're not living witnesses in the way that they used to be. And at a time when we have a crisis with Russia, I think that there are particular attractions, as I said, turning the whole, the whole balance around and to try to find explanations to this war, which are not there. And as you rightly say, some of it is very attractive. because it opens the way you hook it in is by appealing to people who have critiques and criticisms

of certain established realities, the power of finance in the world today, and those sort of things. And you can argue, and there are some arguments that can validly be made that some of the things that happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s, we're antagonistic to that. And people use that fact, as I said, to reshape the whole discussion and the whole understanding of what happened. So I think we can't talk about that, but actually even more interesting, in my opinion, just what you said at the other point, which is that it's useful to go back still further

and to look at the shaping of thought in the late 19th and early 20th century, because this is the time when intellectually speaking, much of the modern world, what we've come to think of as the modern world was created. The period basically, mostly between about 1870 or so, maybe even 1850, and extending all the way up to 1950, but especially the decades on either side of the start of the 20th century. And absolutely, I mean, the movement that you mentioned,

Nazi movement, is entirely a product of that time. And it draws on lots of ideas that were floating around Europe in exactly that period. in Vienna, in Paris, in London, perhaps actually surprisingly a little less in Berlin, but in Berlin too, in all of these places. And of course in New York, where a lot of that was going on. So shall we initially focus on that? And do you want to tell us a bit about these intellectual roots, not just of narcissism, but

of the communism. I love that. No, because you do. You got context, right? It's everything. Yeah, exactly. I think what you've zeroed in on is key, the end of the 19th century, and the battle over the two identities that were very, very in opposition

over what Germany would be, how it would define itself was very important. You had people like Audubon Bismarck, who was a great admirer of Abraham Lincoln and spoke very sorrowfully of the death of Lincoln and what that meant geostrategically for the world because he was a part of a broader international discussion that was underway amongst statesmen in the 1864, 1865, period over breaking free of the system of British imperial geopolitics, you know, that had done so much

damage to the world. Obviously, the Crimean War was an orchestration largely of certain British and French imperialists to suck in and weaken Russia in their own wasting war leading up to the civil war. But at the same time, Britain had exposed its hand in India, really carrying out vast genocide atrocities trying to put down the various, you know, the 1855 uprising, which was murderous with the British did to put that down. You know, the opium wars were still waging and people were beginning to really wake up

to the disgusting agendas behind what Britain was really about both with the opium wars in China at the same time, you know, in the 1850s, but into the 1860 period, but then also stimulating China's own civil war, the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, which was all being fueled by

manipulations, sort of proto-color revolutionary kind of manipulations using the cover of missionary groups, Jesuitical groups inside of southern China organizing this civil war that was weakening China on a number of flanks. And at the same time, also the awareness of Britain's support, England's support for the Confederacy, was quite well known. And we all know the story of Russia coming in and saving the day. when the Americans were at their weakest moment in 1863, but there was what's little less known, and Bismarck was pretty to these discussions,

was Lincoln's endorsement of the Bering Strait Rail, or actually the Bering Strait telegraph lines, of which there was a congressional resolution passed in 1864 in December, and there was a big discussion around exporting this greenbacked system that Lincoln had revived in the middle of the Civil War, based upon building big projects for the future is the foundation upon which the monetary system would be based through the Bering Strait into Russia.

The German industrial faction, the followers of Frederick Lists, were rallying heavily around Bismarck, who was working very hard to keep Germany from falling into traps. There were all sorts of setups in the 1870s to get Germany to fall into conflict with Russia and to other neighboring

powers. Cé Carneau, the assassinated, the president of France who would soon be assassinated by an anarchist in 1895. He was also very closely aligned with this grouping around Bismarck, who were trying very hard to create a positive,

pro-industrial, Russia, German, U.S., and also French to a varying degree alliance. But then Bismarck was ousted, you know, that eliminated a major figure behind the scenes who was a diplomatic genius working to always build backchannel discussions

and negotiations. So with him gone, there wasn't a lot of leadership available and traps that he would have avoided began to get, you know, the Germans began to trip over their shoelaces as worse and worse decisions were made leading up to an absurd, and a completely absurd I'll talk Al-Zial that Germany didn't even know about. And those marks enemies, those who are more of the Wagnerian mindset, you know, were increasingly winning in their effort to try to convince the German people that our true identity must be involved with or must have something to do with some form of rehabilitated vocableness spirit of the pure pagan ethos. of the, you know, the Viking, the Viking pre-Christian spirit, maybe with a little bit of a Christian veneer on the surface to give it a bit of civilization,

but we have to touch back into our ancient heritage. And that grouping, which seemed fringe, began to take more and more of an active tone with World War I, a complete trap set for the Germans and the Russians, you know, completely. There is no need for World War I to happen. it was such a wasting, absurd war that destroyed the morale of so many of the German people

that accompanied the breaking of their economy with the Versailles debt repayments and the brutalization of what the Germans had gone through under Versailles and the hyperinflation of Weimar resulted, and also the assassinations, right? There was like 300 German

leaders who were assassinated from 1819 to 19 to 19, 19 to 1924. Walter Raffanhow, the grandson or the son of Emil Hapenhow, the great industrialist, and again, Lincoln promoter in Germany. In the 1890s, his son was a leading industrialist who was working with the Russians to create the Apollo Accords to break free of the Versailles debt treaty payments in 1920. He was assassinated, and that would have resulted in Germany avoiding the hyperinflation and the destruction

by creating a special positive friendship or relationship with Russia that would have been a great idea had it not been sabotaged. And that whole organization of assassinations, the organization console, after it was legalized, it just changed its name and became the paramilitary branch of the SS

or what became the SS a little bit later on. And the Germans were going crazy. And Kamala Harris even said in one of her speeches during that, in 2024, something that struck me, this blabbering idiot. She really said things that were useful, but this slid out when she described how great German was, Berlin was in 1924, 25, 26, because she said,

look, they were the most progressive nation in the world, they dragged shows in every second bar. It was wonderful. And then you couldn't have expected that just in a few years, the Nazis were going to take over, of course, inferring that MAGA was going to be the new Hitler. was the way she's framing it, but it's true the Germans, so many of them did go crazy and they were to believe that it was the belief in right and wrong and moral values that

caused World War I to happen and that if they could just let go of those illusions of the nation state of nationalism of male and female as concepts, then we could just live and let lived and everyone could just be a hedonistic, pure creature that were meant to being true. There were very liberal,

drag shows and other things in Germany in the 20s, and it did create disgust or repulsion amongst many of the more conservative-minded of the population, who were able to then be nudged into more radicalization as a counter-response to this disgusting extreme left. And whenever you get extremes, they tend to meet in some convenient form of conflicts, which is exactly the type of thing that I think was the desired outcome by some of the manipulators above the scenes pushing to create the more extreme expression of journey with the Nazis. Indeed. Well, let's start with Bismarck, because Bismarck is somebody I've studied extensively, by the way,

and I know quite a lot about him. So Bismarck, Bismarck, a lot of people have a very false idea about Bismarck. They imagined him as a militaristic leader. He did in fact fight and win within a very short period between 1864 and 187. 73 wars. But as he always made clear, and he says this clearly in his memoir, the point about those wars was to resolve the problem of Germany, which is very divided and very unstable. He wanted to, offense essentially, create a Germany that was stable and economically secure and admittedly at the heart of Europe. Now, the point about Bismarck and the secret of

his success is he was both an extremely intelligent man and a very much of a realist. He did not like ideas that put at risk the Germany that he created. And his whole policy after 1870, for far the longest period of time that he was Chancellor of Germany, was to preserve peace in Europe. For him, The objective was not dominance in Europe, not control in Europe. It was peace in Europe. And his objectives for Germany were very much linked to the preservation of peace. And he gave Germany a constitution which gave the German people universal male suffrage. And he was the first leader in Europe, in fact,

to create a social security system, a very sophisticated social security system, and to promote universal secondary education, very much, by the way, on the American model. He was very influenced by what was happening at the United States at that time. And, of course, he also had a policy for industrialization. And that was where, you know, all the ideas of list and all of that come into play. So that was Bismarck. Now, what Bismarck opposed and was very, very hostile to were ideas that began to develop in Germany, rather mysteriously, in the late 19th century for what were called Weltpolitik, Germany assuming a global role as a great power. He was absolutely against that.

He was also against policies that sought German dominance in Europe. He thought that was unachievable and would undermine peace. And he also was, despite being, of course, an intense German patriot, he did not like ideas that sought any kind of German supremacy or anything of that kind, cultural, ethnic, whatever. So he was very, very strongly opposed to all of these things. In other words, he was, in the best sense, a very rational man. And one of the moments I remember of him is that when Germany launches after he's been

overthrown, this massive program of naval construction, he goes to the shipyard at Kiel, he sees all these warships being built, he shakes his head, he says you've all gone mad. And that was Bismal. He also, above all, sought good relations with the Russians. And he maintained throughout the time that he was Chancellor, extremely good relations with the Russians, because he understood that relations, peace between Germany and Russia, was the key to peace in Europe.

So that is Bismar. And that was the policy that he stood for in the late 19th century. Now, there's a lot more you can say about Bismarck. He had all sorts of faults, which I'm not going to explore here, but that was him. And by the way, he was very interested in the United States. He did admire Lincoln. He admired American industrialization. And a lot of what he did, you can see reflected in the fact that he had this sense of affinity

for the United States. The big question is, how did we slip away from Bismarck's Europe? to the Europe that launched the First World War. And about that, there is an enormous academic literature and no clear resolution and no agreement as to how it came about. But what all I think the historical scholarship agrees about is that there were certain things that were going on. Firstly, and one has to say this, there was worry in London about geopolitical.

political developments. I mean, the fact that Britain seemed to be losing its position as of global supremacy as countries like the United States, like Germany, like Russia, like France, but especially Germany, Russia and the United States were on the rise. So there was that. And there was already, incidentally, some feeling in some parts of the world that colonialism, the creation of colonial empires was a bad idea. So that's one thing that made the British very nervous. The other is a development

of extremely strange, I mean, looking back, very, very strange, pseudo-religious, mystical, you can call that kind of thing, movements in Europe at about this time.

The importance of which I suspect has been understated but which are not easy to understand and whose origins nobody has been able to satisfactorily explain. Now I know you've been touched a little bit about that, the last. Do you want to say a bit more about those? Yeah, most certainly.

Yeah, there's this weird cult revival that was happening at the end of the 19th century all over Europe. Germany was by far no exception. And there's seemingly a strange codependence. co-development, and we go through this in our documentary on the Black Sun Rising. To some extent, we have a chapter on this in that film. Regarding the co-development of King Edward the Seventh, well, at the time he was still Prince Edward Albert,

at the time that he was setting up the Palestinian Exploration Fund in 1862, with Sir Charles Warren to explore and excavate the area of Solomon's mines, There's always this idea of Solomon's Temple, the Ark of the Covenants. A lot of what became both biblical archaeology as a field of study emerged out of this grouping, as well as the laying out the profiling of different tribal groups living there in the region of Palestine to set up the stage for what would also become the Zionist cause or the Zionist project. Also found a very big role to play there. But the co-development at the same time of this German-Lew, Templar society,

which was one of the most enthusiastic Armagedonist sects that emerged in Germany in the 1850s, or actually it set up officially in 1861. They began their colonization of Haifa in 1868. They were always interfacing very closely with this network around Charles Warren and the British Empire in Palestine. So you had this weird thing that I think by the turn of the 20th century, they had some upwards of 18 different pretty well-advanced colonies or communes all around

Palestine and part of their idea was the revival of the ancient kingdom of not even ancient whatever is the Templar kingdom of Jerusalem was their big ambition to revive that as this millennialist idea of

of somehow invoking some of the very allegorical commentaries within the book of Revelation, which they were just obsessed with, trying to interpret and help advance or accelerate that, you know,

cataclysmic imagery that's located within that prophetic book. I'm not saying I believe that that book is literal prophecy, but I think that people do believe that and act accordingly sometimes a little bit too much political and economic capacities to make the unnatural become realized. So that's, That's what they were really all about.

And they were very much obsessed with, or this grouping became part of something that bubbled to the surface in the form of something that followers of theosophy were doing in Germany at that time. There was a guy named to Guido von List who had set up the German high-Armonin order in 1903 or 1904 with his own sort of German German. spain on some of what Blavatsky and the theosophists were pushing as far as, you know, the theosophical idea of a new synthetic world religion as a perennialist philosophy, taking elements of the different mystical traditions of every world philosophy and putting into this hodgeparch stew for this new world unifying religion that would absorb everybody as the idea was. But it was very anti-Christian. But the Germans were still very Christian. So it wasn't selling very well. And so Gudev almost had a solution. He said, well, So we need to appeal to the German psyche more, which means we need to utilize more of some of the rooms that were found in the forests, you know, and excavations around the German territories and use some of these elements for our spin.

But we'll still have the ascended masters. We'll still have oracles communicating with ascended beings to guide humanity to a new destination. We'll still have all of that good stuff. But we'll just like refocus. We'll downplay the Hinduism. We'll bring the Swiss deca. We'll keep that.

and that played a big role in the army and order. And what became, he was a co-founder with Lanz von Liebenfels, a teacher of Hitler. Actually, the young 10-wold Hitler was a student at this Abbey in Austria, which was a hub for new templarism from the 1860s to the 1890s. And this is where young Hitler would have been seeing his first experience of Swistikas that are still to this day carved in the walls of the, I bring it up in the documentary.

In this particular rabbi, and Lanz von Liebenthels, who's a sestersean, a defraught sistercian monk, is teaching at this very school who becomes the co-founder of the new Templars in 1907, that's sort of like an expansion of the existing Templar colonization projects in Haifa.

And he starts a journal called Ostera, and it's basically just pure, you know, pagan spiritual eugenics infused in a monthly subscription that you could get. And Hitler was also from 1910 onward, a young subscriber to the Ostarre journal. So he was getting radicalized by these ideas after having been radicalized by

Leibenfell's in school when he was still like pre-high school, it was already kind of bubbling inside of him. And it wasn't alone. It was still very fringe this movement. But again, World War I, which was again, a role like you said, it's very difficult to get any historian to have some competent explanation of why the war happened. It does seem to have something to do with the ouster of Von Bismarck, who, once he was gone, you know, and it had seemed, I'd ask you this. I had read a book some time ago, I forgot the title of it, that was going through the gossipers, the courtiers around of Kaiser Wilhelm,

which persuaded him that Bismarck wanted to steal his thunder and maybe usurp the throne and made him very paranoid to the point that he flushed Bismarck. Did you ever encounter that? Oh, absolutely. And this circle Kamar Elia that existed around. the Kaiser undoubtedly existed, and he did play a role. And there's no doubt that the Kaiser himself, you know, was very resentful of the fact that even though he was supposed to be the leader of Germany, most Germans obviously didn't

think of him in that way because there was this towering figure, Bismarck, who was attracting all the attention. So there was that element as well, which one should not overlook. But this is to some extent also linked to the development of many of these ideas that you've just been talking about. These ideas of sort of strange movements and also, you know, which somehow blend in with the sense that there is a, there should be a German wealth politic. that Germany should have its place in the sun. It should be a great power at least equal to or greater than the British Empire and that it must rival Britain in that sort of way.

And Bismarck's departure does accelerate hugely the trend and the force that's gathered around this group of people. Whether it is enough by itself to explain the First World War is very difficult. When I studied history this period long ago, the dominant theory about the origin of the First World War was that of a German historian called Fritz Fischer, which was that it all started in Germany, that it was a German desire for world power, which was shared by the Kaiser, that was what drove it, that the German government in 1914 made a particular and decisive decision to start war as part of this bid for world power. Since then, Fisher has never completely gone away.

I mean, I think he still has a lot of support, and many people still think as he does. But I understand that there's been a lot of pushback and people saying that it wasn't just Germany. There were other players too. There were the French who wanted revenge for the fact that they'd been defeated in 1870. There was the British. But again, as with the Second World War, the archives are very incomplete. We don't have very much knowledge. the one government which paradoxically has opened up its archives fully for that period is the Russian.

This happened fairly recently. There's been some studies about this, especially by a man called Dominic Levin. And the conclusion is that the one government, the one government of a major power, that in 1914 did not want war, was actually the Russian, that the Russians understood perfectly well. that if there was a World War, they would be putting the entire stability of their social system and of their empire at risk and that they wanted to avoid it, but they felt that they'd been trapped into it and that they had no real way out from it. So it's an interesting book to read, and it's, by the way, its title is Verla Flam towards the flame. And that references a musical composition by a composer called Skliribin, who coming back to the very strange ideas that were

floating around at that time, was, of course, a theosophist, just saying. There's a quote that I just found. I was going to use it in a class I delivered earlier this week, but I chose not to. But it falls in very nicely, where Kaiser Wilhelm wrote despairingly in August of 1914. and I'm just going to read the quote because it's a good quote but he says England, Russia and France have agreed among themselves to take the Austro-Serbian conflict for an excuse for waging a war of extermination against us.

That is the real naked situation slowly and cleverly set going by Edward V and finally brought to a conclusion by George V. So the famous encirclement of Germany has finally become a fact despite every effort of our politicians and diplomats to prevent it. The net has been suddenly thrown over our head, and England sneeringly reaps the most brilliant successes of her persistently persecuted, a prosecuted, purely anti-german world policy

against which we have proved ourselves helpless, while she twists the noose of our political and economic destruction out of our fidelity to Austria as we squirm isolated in the net. A great achievement which arouses the admiration, even of him who is to be destroyed as its result. Edward the 7th is stronger after his death than I, than am I who am still alive. Kind of a pathetic character.

This Wilhelm guy. But, you know, I think it's interesting that a lot of historians, they just overlook these different letters and their correspondences between Edward and Nicholas II saying, okay, there's this, clearly there's a plan to try to get us to fight each other, but we will not fall for it. And no, we will not go along with this plan. Sure enough, there's the forces as turn out to be more influential than both of these individuals realized, it seems.

And I was just thinking about, again, these strange, the overlap between intelligence, occultism, theology, it's always kind of present. And you see it also penetrating even the courts of Russia where I was in my research, not only does it, it seemed that people like Gerard and Kaus, Papus, who becomes the leading theophist, traumatic order, the Golden Dawn, Marxist, everything. This guy's just a everything guy. He's all of a sudden positioned somehow

to be the physician and advisor of Nicholas II at a very sensitive time when Nicholas is already kind of psychologically becoming more and more unhinged and paranoid, probably for a good reason, and is persuading him to take more seriously the protocols that were just introduced to him by one of the followers of Blavatsky. I'm forgetting her name, but she's in my documentary.

And another confessor, not a confessor, but another monk advisor who's, we're all kind of working together to get Nicholas to read these, this revelatory protocols of the lost, or the lost protocols of the learned elders of Zion to convince him that it's a Zionist Jew conspiracy out to overthrow the noble monarchies of Europe. And that's what a. assassinated his, you know, Alexander III and Alexander II was these Jew Zionist types. And they're like, look, it's all in here. Now, it turns out the whole things are fried.

It's not to say that there are truthful things infused in this limited hangout talking about how conspiracies work in their ambitions. That's true, too. But it's been proven at the text and the lines of logic, the arguments, the sequencing, the chapters of it were all taken, lifted directly for more work by Maurice Jolie, the dialogue of Montesquieu and Machiavelli. a dialogue that was written as kind of a polemic against Napoleon III in France. And they just kind of like respun it, rewired it for the sake of convincing Nicholas the second. One, number one, to fire anybody who seems to have any type of connection to international financiers to get money. Like, for example, Sergei Vita, got to fire him. He's a Rothschild, Zionist, Stoge, don't you know? So Vita gets fired, like twice.

before being brought back in a clean up the mess that was caused by his being ousted in the 1905 revolution. But he then reinstates the pogroms. He's induced out of his paranoia to then clamp down even further on the Jewish populations that have been sort of, you know, suffering quite a bit in Russia. And this then creates this, it's like this revolutionary kind of pressure cooker is just the pressure increases with expected results. of more destabilizations, more directed energy of abused peoples that could then be weaponized in a proto-color revolutionary kind of way to destabilize Russia evermore. And Nicholas II has no clue what the hell is going on. But again, these occult intelligence overlaps.

You get it also in the Crowley networks. Like there's this book by Richard Spence called Secret Agent 666 on Crowley and British Intelligence, which appears that there's some good evidence that he was recruited to British intelligence. by Lord Glasscoin Cecil in the 18, right before he became a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. And he was deployed, first into Russia, to set up networks there,

interfacing with Pappas's networks, then went into the United States through the invitation, it seems, of this sleepy hollow club, which is the same sleepy hollow club of William Rockefeller that he bought in Upper State, New York, as sort of this upper crust blue blood funded club that created this massive private intelligence service

overseen by Cloud Dancy. The same Cloud Dancy that was like the co-founder of MI5, or it wasn't called MI5 then, it was called something else. But that St. Claude Dancy was also invited with Crowley around the same time with the same people that they were interfacing with at the Sleepy Hollow Club to set up an intelligence network. In America, that Crowley turns out to be shaping before And during World War I, and in this book, this historian Richard Spence,

they did great job piecing together with original sources and letters, archival work, like heavy lifting, that Crowley was largely the one responsible for the propaganda, for the sinking of the lucidavia. The actual, like, false flight where this passenger ship was laden with weapons, which would have broken America's neutrality in World War I. And it was through his networks that the information was, passed on to German intelligence, that there was weapons on the ship making it liable for an attack by U-boat,

which is what happened. And the idea was to then create such an emotional situation that would trigger the psyche of the Americans to break out of their isolationism and want to enmesh themselves into World War I. It took a couple more years for that to happen. But the Crowley, Crowley's directing hand, this creepy Satanist guy who's like, sort of everywhere with, you know, organizing Irish

independence or trying to redirect, I guess, the focus of anti-B British Irish independence movements with like WB Yeats and Casement or all members of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. All of them are all members of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn just like Poppuses in Russia. And it's like, this thing is just kind of, again, not just philosophical occults,

things that like doing, in weird rituals in the in the in the cupboards they're they're engaged in real world political processes organizing anarchist communes that are also being used to kill a lot of statesmen from 1865 to 1914 now there's so many of these very useful idiots who are shaped in these anarchist cult communes that for whatever reason get in their heads that it's their divine mission to go and assassinate william mckinley or nicholas the second or garfield or you know, the Austria and Duke Friedman, whatever. There's so,

there's a big list of statesmen who were off in that 25, 30 year period by these things that seem to also have strange directing hands from like, well, who was hosting the anarchist conference international in

1871 that was like organizing all these international anarchist communes and the representatives. It was in London. So it seems to be something that is, that is settled but directly, you know, in influencing these seemingly different groups that all have similar effects of eliminating qualified statesmen, Citi Calnelli, you know, in France, and then introducing incompetent assholes in their place who then all seem to have more capacity to avoid falling for traps that result in totally unnecessary wars of destruction like World War I. It's mind-doing stuff, eh?

Well, indeed. Can I just say a few things here? This is very interesting. But first of all, about Nicholas II. I mean, the thing you understand about Nicholas is that he was a very, very straightforward, very devout Orthodox Christian. He had no time for the occult at all. We do know that he did read the protocols.

Apparently, he read them with very, very great skepticism. He was not personally, greatly influenced by him. Unfortunately, the reality is that There were all sorts of other people in St. Petersburg, in the power structure, in the court, who had a completely different outlook at that time. And it's important to remember. Theosophy basically originates in Russia with Lovatsky and people of that kind. So it had a very great deal of influence in Russia at that time.

And these occult ideas that are there, certainly they existed and had a lot of influence in Russia at that time too. There's a lot that could be said about the protocols. We know a lot more about them than we used to. And you're absolutely right. They were a forgery and they were not a forgery by the secret police. The sort of people who probably forged them are exactly the milieu that you are talking about. And they were used politically, mostly in court politics, to get rid of people like Vita in exactly the way that you said. So that is one thing. The other thing to say is, however, that this is the time when occult ideas are at their peak influence in European society and in European governments. Lots of people are drawn to them at this time.

There's a very strange book, by the way, that comes out in Britain at about this time, called The Golden Bow. I don't know if you've come across it, but it's very old. James Fraser's book. Exactly, exactly. I mean, which... It's super useful. It's like a guidebook for, like, grand strategists who are going to manipulate international, like, various occultes tropes and myths. Exactly.

Yeah, it's like a guidebook for social engineers. Exactly. So one of the people who was a great fan was Winston Churchill, just to say. He read this book extensively, took it very, very seriously. And you mentioned Alistair Crowley, who, by the way, my mother once met. He died in 1947, so they just overlapped. Anyway, so his influence in Britain is, again, a very understated thing. He was absolutely part of the British establishment.

He was perhaps the single most prominent occultist in the English-speaking world in the 20th century. An awful lot of what you see as occult today, that the ideas of the occult basically originate with him. And he did have a regular political influence, and he's widely believed to have been involved with British intelligence. in all sorts of ways. So absolutely, all of these things do come together, and by the way, they still exist today. I say that because when I was working at the Royal Court of Justice, I was the person in the Royal Courts of Justice

who used to have to read the reports about various archald groups that still function in Britain, and I remember reading them all, and I remember reading about the very strange things that some of these people got up to and be very surprised that the police, who knew exactly who these people were, I mean, literally knew exactly who these people were, weren't interfering in any way with some of the things that they were doing, which were clearly criminal activities, just to say. So it does exist.

It's still continuous to this day. I don't think it has the influence that it did at the time that we have just been talking about. So that's one thing I would say. London, I suspect, was the centre of much of this in early 20th century Europe. And it's perhaps not surprising. The British Empire is starting to weaken. It is a decline. It faces all of these various challenges. It's perhaps it's looking to enlist other powers to support it.

We've discussed in previous programmes. how they try to draw the Americans in. And they do very successfully, by the way, they get the Americans to come in and help them in the First World War and help them in the Second World War and then help them after the Second World War through NATO and all of that. But as a declining power,

it's perhaps not surprising that the British who are looking for power start thinking about the occult. And again, I know a lot about this because I met people who were involved in that sort of thing, in London especially during the interwar years. So the idea, you know, you find power. One of the things about occult groups, is that they are almost by definition extremely elitist.

So that appeals to people who are, who imagine themselves or who sometimes are the elite. Because you can only learn the arts of the mystical powers and stuff if you're part of the bloodline and then you're special and then you can be taught. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And so they appeal very much to sort of upper echelon of society. And it is also an instrument of power and control as well. I mean, you have groups of people who meet in this way. And as I said, they do exercise a very, very great deal of sway. And they are there. They're still there. I know that they do exist, but just as London today is a very diminished force compared to what it was in, say, 1900 or 1920 or 1930 or even 1950.

So the occult itself, in Britain at least, has declined in proportion. I mean, it is still there, but it doesn't have the sway that it once did. Yeah, on the note of what the fascinating that you were directly like studying these groups while you're working in the field. Well, can I just say? I mean, you were talking about national socialism, the German movement. I mean, some of these movements, one in particular is straightforwardly adhered. to this ideology. It has combined the German ideology of the 1930s with the occult.

I mean, the two are completely fused in the mind of its followers. And that, by the way, also involves criminal activity, that they are very much involved in criminal activity. And I believe, I mean, it was obvious to me, by the way. And this is, again, I'm saying things which I've said in many places, that the people who were mostly drawn to this were former army officers, British army officers, just to say.

So that gives you some idea. So, you know, these ideas do exist. They still continue to command some traction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's so many thoughts, but I don't know we were running to the top of the hour, so we'll have to, but there's so many thoughts that awoke in my mind

as you were speaking. But number one, the tendency of army officers who have been through hell to become or to get recruited into the occult seems to be a phenomenon. We saw this after the Vietnam War where there was a massive spike in satanic

ritual killings and this is what led into the satanic panic but the satanic panic in America was being done because there actually was this greater preponderance of actual satanic ritual activity all across America that manifested in a number of ways and a lot of that seems to have been correlated to the return of broken men who had to do terrible things, you know, like Operation

Phoenix, which was overseen by who? Colonel Michael Aquino, the second command of the Church of Satan, who was working with Colonel Lansdale, was responsible for most of what became Operation Phoenix that murdered

and tortured and then murdered mostly civilians, 40,000 at least, but probably much larger. The statistics are hard to come by, but at least 40,000 conservative. Marai massacres, things like that, were all being orchestrated by this guy who then comes back home to America,

goes to Vettlesburg Castle first in 1975, carries out his famous Vettlesburg working ritual, which he somehow got by reading some documents that persuaded him that this is what Heinrich Himmler was doing because this was supposed to be the center of the thousand year Reich. Himmler had built this as the center of the, as the headquarters of the new Templar movement that he had overseen as the high Templar. You know, there was going to be, there was like a, you can see it today.

They've got the black sun in marble on the floor of Revelsburg, and you've got this, this ritual around an eternal flame where the 12 leading knights were, would do their weird incantations for the spirits. And this is what, this is exactly where Colonel Michael Aquino goes, does his thing, is persuaded through. his rituals that he is initiated or has been chosen or whatever. Like Alastrakow was when he somehow feels that he invoked an emissary of Horace to invoke the age of Horace, the age of the sacred child, the sacred superstition. But that has to always happen through some form of calamity that where most people have to die. They're like, I don't know why they always think there has to be some calamity that kills most

people. And then Michael Aquino got the same idea that, no, it's going to be actually the age of set, the age of chaos and wise that he has to usher in as the new profit. But then he goes on and starts working for Major General Albert Stubblebein at the U.S. military after setting up the Temple of Set. He's still a very highly placed Green Beret operative, working with the SIOC groups. He then works with, he's employed by General Stubblebein,

who's head of military or army intelligence in the 1980s overseeing the Revolution and Military Affairs, to then write from SIOP to Mide Wars program with Paul Valelais, another colonel who's heading up the seventh SIOP roofs, they write this thing which calls for a different kind

of train involving a fusion of you know ESP operations occult's type of training. I guess this also goes with psychedelic drug

use as part of the occult idea, but the and also technologies that involve, you know, electromagnetic pulses and things like that. But this training program seems crazy, but this actually is what is defining the actual programs, like the Jedi Mind Wars program, the First Earth Battalion, that Jim Shannon, that other people that are portrayed in the Jim Ronson book, Men Who Stare at Goats, it's actually a true story. They portrayed in a movie as if it's a joke, but that's all real stuff, the movie of George Clooney. That's actually stuff that was done, but if you follow the careers of a lot of these graduates of these new training programs,

they don't want to become the overseers, the new vanguard, Jedi super soldiers as they think of themselves, are elitist again, because you're a super soldier now, you're more than human, right? It's very Uber-Mentioned that then go on to play dominant roles in Desert Storm in a lot of the insane decisions around the post-9-11 age. and it's like there is something to do with war trauma like this apocalypse now type of stuff that we saw about like portraying that film that that does lend itself to recruiting people into unhuman experiences we saw in the war war two where tons of oxford young men came out of that that process sorted cloddancy as sort of new men where they something happened to them where they did things that no human should ever do they saw things they experienced things that you shouldn't ever experience things that you shouldn't ever experience but somehow they became new men out of that where they became this sort of, you know, vanguard, um,

temporary warriors or whatever organizing a roundtable. Like with, again, very, the language of the, the Milner Roads Roundtable, uh, society was directly a play on the, the Arthurian legends that were part of the,

the recruitment, the ideological sort of, uh, mystery plays of the tributors and other things of the medieval ages that were a big part of recruiting high-value targets into becoming initiated into these Templar Crusader mystic orders where they would first have to go on a quest, you know, face death, face the guardian at the threshold,

integrate with the darkness inside them somehow, overcome whatever. And if you survive, you get to, you get to, whatever, pick up Excalibur, which is language that Aquino is directly using when you read that document. He's talking about the new Mind Wars program as being, Excalibur. He literally calls it that. So this is the type of weird coloring in their imaginations that is defining real

world policies that impact the lives of billions of people. When I hear people like Peter Thiel or the Palantir CEO Louis Mosley, who's the talk about how when Louis Mooseley talks about how we got the job with Alicarp to become the CEO of Palantir

UK, I get a little trepination because as the official story goes, told by these two guys, he was afraid he wasn't going to get the gig because his grandfather was Oswald Mosley whose second in command was JFC 4, a guy who like innovated

out, you know, blix-creen tactics and whose manuals are still taught in training programs across West Point and military colleges to this very day. This guy is the second in command of Louis Osmoe Mosley that head of the British Union of Fascists. He's the grandmaster of the Argentim Astrum Crowley

from 1907 onward, and he's doing back channels with the Nazi high command. He's the one who's the, he would have been, like, the secretary of defense for England, had Oswald Mosley been successful at becoming the fuel of England. But it's this guy's grandson who's going in for a business meeting to become the CEO, to see if he can get the job. He's afraid he's not going to get the job. And as he tells it, Alec Karp goes and recites from memory a full speech by Oswald Mosley from 1939. And he's like, wow, we're friends.

And he got the job. Now, of all the people in the world, you got this guy positioned overseeing contracts with the USA as of 2025, some of the biggest to grant Palantir to control, like all sorts of influence. I think 300 billion, I forget the numbers off the top of my head, but immense record-breaking military contract deals where Palantir is now going to be granted the rights and has been to increasingly control the AI decision-making of Britain's, you know, big military intelligence decisions, even municipal policing efforts, predictive policing is a big part of their ambitions as well to be able to do preventative thought crime where you can just measure the metrics,

the banking activity, the online commentaries of people in order to act on future crimes before they happen, very minority report. And that's actually part of an active project that Palantir has been doing since 2013 that they're trying to spread around the Western world. So I'm like, now there's some continuity.

I don't think that it's all one grand conspiracy, but I think that there's some bad habits and too much continuity to overlook between these things that were happening a century or more ago and this obsession that Peter Thiel seems to have with the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist, that I don't think is just a fetish. I think he's seriously obsessed with this idea

that he thinks is tied to what he has to bring to being. The bothersome stuff, man. Indeed, the resonances are remarkable. And of course, it's a flight from reality. I mean, it was a flight from reality, a genuine flight from reality in the late 19, 30th, 20th century, which led to disaster. And with a deeply misanthropic and anti-humanist, and I would say anti-Christian quality about it. And you see exactly the same today. And it's unsurprising that the two share very, very much in common.

And perhaps that there is a direct line of connection between the two. Well, Matt, this has been an extraordinarily interesting program. Again, we're always with you. We cover huge amounts of ground. And it's always intellectually, very, very interesting. You've reminded me of things that I, you know, have read and experienced. on, you know, various times in my life. But anyway, thank you again.

And let's look forward to having you again on our programs. Thank you. Absolutely. It's always a pleasure. All right, bye, guys. Thank you, Matt. Before you go, before you go, where can people follow your work real quick? Yes.

Okay, so the new film can be washed currently only on my substack. So, Matthewerrit. Dot, substack.com. It's under a $5 paywall, not the end of the world. But it's worth it. I encourage people to check it out. We will eventually make it for free. Also, it's on Atla Lux, if you want to go there.

It's Outlux. Also, our book, hold on. So the book that I mentioned, the special report that we put out has a crazy ass picture of Hitler pointing up to the Black Sun, a little UFO there for a reason to find in the book, because a bunch of theosophical pro-Nazi movements ended up creating the entire UFO cult movement after 1945. There's a chapter in that, and then Blaviski's right there. So that book is available on Amazon, or they can write to me if they want to sign it.

copy, Cynthia and myself and her friend Mike King co-wrote that thing. So that's, you can send us a message through our website, Canadian patriot.org or rising tidefoundation. netnet as well. All right. Thank you, Matt. Thank you very much, Matt. Have a very good thing.

Thank you. Bye.