The Duran Podcast - ITALY drops out. Germany on the hook for Ukraine

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

ITALY drops out. Germany on the hook for Ukraine

All right, Alexander, let's talk about the Trump-NATO weapons to Ukraine scheme. Or should I call it a scam? Let's call it a scheme. Just joking. Just joking. Let's call it the Ukraine, the purchase weapons, NATO purchase weapons from the United States to give to Ukraine scheme that Trump came up with when Mark Routé was in. the Oval Office.

And we have some feedback from this scheme from various EU NATO member states, European NATO member states. Italy has said that they have no money to purchase weapons from the United States. So they're opting out. Hungary has opted out. Tech Republic has opted out. France has said that they're not going to, they're not going to take part in this. scheme, they would rather develop their own domestic military production facilities instead of buying from the United States. And Germany is flip-flopping. I think, I mean, Germany's going to pay for

all of this and they're going to buy weapons. But we're getting reports, Alexander, that Patriots, Trump said that Patriots are on their way from Germany to Ukraine. Germany is saying we had no idea about these reports. We don't know what Trump is talking about. And even NATO members are actually now saying that they had no idea about this purchasing weapons from the United States on behalf of NATO going to Ukraine. They weren't even consulted about this from the Trump White House. So a lot of confusion and a lot of doubts about this scheme, which we said in a previous video, was not even feasible. It was not possible because NATO is not in the business of purchasing

weapons from the United States, another NATO member, and then sending those weapons to Ukraine. That's not even what NATO as an alliance does. So I've said a lot. You're hearing thoughts about this scheme. I think you summed it all very well. Now, as a person who likes art, I'm sure you have familiar with the French Poitlists, the painters, you know, they did all those painters with little dots and you look at it from a distance and you have an image and you go closer and it all dissolves into the dots. Well, this is a case like that. It's dissolve. Serra and all of those people, it's dissolving. It's dissolving into dots. I mean, none of this really adds up or makes any kind of sense. You gave a string of countries there. I would add Spain

because though I didn't the Spanish, you've yet made an announcement, I've no doubt at all that they're going to opt out of this. If Italy isn't participating and France isn't participating, inconceivable, that Spain will join in. So that basically leaves two countries. I mean, you're right, we've got the small ones, Netherlands, Belgium, presumably, the Scandinavian states, the Baltic countries. But, you know, they can only offer a certain amount of money. I mean, they can provide a certain amount of fund.

but the big countries left are Germany, which, as you correctly say, is wobbling. And Britain, now Britain is in the middle of a massive budgetary crisis. There's serious concerns about the question, you know, what the bond markets might do in Britain before very long. The military here is in a terrible state. It's stripped itself of all its weapons. I can't imagine Britain at this particular point, time, joining in this scheme in any way that is going to make a big difference. I mean, it's impossible to. It's going to stretch budget, the British budget, beyond breaking point. So that leaves

Germany. And I think this is where we come back to what happened here, because from what I can tell, this whole thing originated, well, partly originated, mostly originated, or crystallized, if you in a series of discussions that took place between Trump, Zelensky and Mats on the 4th of July. Trump had spoken to Putin on the 3rd of July, as we all know, that conversation didn't go well. So he then telephoned Zelensky and Mats. Mertz said, you know, will pay for Ukraine to acquire weapons in the United States. States. And Trump said, great, that's what we're going to do. That was how it developed over the course of the week. Mark Rutter was brought in. It's now clear, by the way, why they went through

NATO and not through the EU, because there is clearly no consensus within the EU for this sort of thing. And the EU requires a consensus to act on these kind of decisions. So they went forward with this plan, which, to be clear, was not, I think, just about Patriot Air Defense missiles. I still believe that long-range missiles were originally absolutely a part of it, Jassams and Tom Hawks and that kind of thing. Then over the course of the week, the Pentagon and other people got back and explained to Trump the enormous dangers of sending Jassams and Tomahawks and those kind of missiles and giving them to Zelensky. So those were stripped out.

And then the package was announced. And all the other European states said, hold on, we never agreed to sign up to anything like this. And they're all opting out. France has always been opposed to big purchases of weapons from the United States. The southern European states are increasingly skeptical about Project Ukraine anyway. and they also have budgetary problems. So they're now walking out of it too. In Italy, sentiment is strongly against Project Ukraine, apparently.

In Spain, it's starting to be. So they're pulling out of it. And that leaves basically Germany. And Merz, Germany, of course, still has money. It's still got relatively low debts. It's still got quite big reserves. Merz is now borrowing and spending in all. kinds of directions. He's talked about re-arming Germany and things of that kind. But as things

are playing out, if this thing really does work, what's going to happen is that Germany is going to pay all the bills. Nobody else is. Britain can't. As I said, the other states won't. So it's going to ultimately come down to Germany with a few, a bit of money chipped in by Scandinavian. Navy and the Netherlands and those sorts of places, the Baltic states aren't in a position to contribute very much. I get the sense that Poland isn't very interested. So it's going to be ultimately Germany. Germany's going to pick up the bill and it's going to be paying the money to Trump to the United States, I should say, to buy weapons for Ukraine. Problem is, what weapons? But it's, that's one issue. But, but, um, already.

you get the sense that in Germany itself, many people aren't happy about this. I gather that the SPD isn't especially happy about it. That's the coalition partner. There are already strains in the coalition. I get the sense that Mertz decided this basically on the hoof and by himself without widely consulting. And the German public, I suspect, is not going to be keen on this idea either. And of course, as I discussed in a video I did yesterday on my own channel, if the, if Germany starts buying weapons on any kind of scale for Ukraine, inevitably it is going to undermine the project of Germany re-arming on the basis of its own industrial resources. So I suspect that just as the Military industrial complex in France is adamantly opposed to this project.

I suspect that iron metal and Kausmarfi and all of these will swing against it in Germany as well. How about the United States, the Trump administration, sending the weapons to Ukraine, along with Germany, purchasing weapons? How about if Trump sends the weapons to Ukraine? He can't do that, though, can he? He can't. Because that would go against America first. that would go against his campaign promise. But, you know, we see Trump breaking all kinds of campaign promises.

How long before the neocons convince him to just start sending weapons to Ukraine? Well, I think that is now a real possibility because we're not, I mean, on a completely different front, the situation on the battlefields is getting worse. There's a long article in The Spectator, British Magazine today, talking about Ukraine, is the first big admission in the media in Britain that Ukraine is indeed. on the brink and might soon collapse. And, you know, it's written by a serious journalist. So, and of course, the sanctions and the tariffs that Trump announced against Russia,

which he will impose in 50 days, the Russians are calling the bluff on that. So I would not be surprised if Trump, might say in 50 days time, look, the tariffs aren't really going to work, but I still want to support Ukraine. I'm still angry with Putin. So I'm going to send weapons instead. The Europeans have failed. That's the only really thing I have. So I'm going to send the Patriot missiles and the weapons to Ukraine. The Europeans won't do it. They can't do it. Germany is a broken reed. The Europeans are a broken weed. It's just the United States again. And, you know, we are not going to let Ukraine down or something like that.

He's basically furious with him. But as you're absolutely right, he say he is now going against his base increasingly. I don't want to go into the details of it, but he's just written an astonishing comment on true social in which he criticizes his own base. It says things about his most loyal supporters, which are so insulting that they're off the scale. Well, he said they're weaklings. I don't want their support. He said it straight up. I don't want their support.

Period. End of story. Stop supporting me. So I think it's important that he is willing to break away from the people that got him elected. I mean, I think this is a watershed moment for the Trump White House. He doesn't have to get reelected. I mean, he's not going to run again. So this is basically the Trump White House, the Trump is president, saying, you know, thank you for putting me in

office, but now I don't need you anymore. And I'm moving towards the globalist neocon side of things, which is where he is moving towards. So, you know, he has these 50. I would just add to something else to that. You go to True Social and I go to it all the time. He's now been posting absolutely incredibly favorable comments on it about Lindsay Graham and Tom Cotton.

I mean, he criticizes his base, but he shows himself, you know. you know, holding by the shoulder, Lindsay Graham, and he's saying favorable things about Tom Cotton. So there we are. I mean, you know, he is going against his base quite openly, sir. No, so, you know, in the last video that we did talking about his, the 50-day ultimatum and all of that stuff, he was going to use those 50 days. Well, he was trying to move away from the 500% bone crush.

sanctions tariffs that Lindsay Graham and the Senate was about to pass. And he came up with his own scheme of 50-day ultimatum and 100% tariffs. And now he had 50 days to negotiate with Lindsey Graham, to go back and forth with Lindsey Graham and the neocons to continue. My sense of things is that he has no problem escalating in Ukraine, Trump. He just didn't want to go with the 500% terrorists, understanding that they would sink the U.S. economy. So I believe that Trump is trying to find a way to work with the neocons to say, okay, let's figure out how to, I'm okay to escalate with Russia, but I don't want to sink the U.S. economy, right? And that's what the 500% tariffs were going to do. But, you know, now that he's breaking away from his supporters, I'm starting

to wonder what his priorities really are at this moment, even if he's, even if he's, he's breaking away from his supporters, even if the economy, you know, may not be as important as he was making it in his campaign. It's hard to get an understanding as to where Trump is drifting towards at this moment. It's definitely not in the America first direction. So the escalation with Ukraine is, What I see it is in the carts. It's going to happen. Well, if we come back to this, I mean, there was this discussion last week about sending long-range missiles to Ukraine, not just Jassams, but Tomahawks as well.

We discussed it in the video. So, I mean, you know, it's entirely possible that that disastrous idea could return. The trouble is, whatever they do, it's not going to change the military calculus. And what makes it astonishing is that Trump himself apparently knows this. So why he is attaching himself to this particular sinking ship, who knows? But at the moment, he seems to be more interested in patching up relations with Lindsay Graham and Tom Cotton with the neocons and people of that kind in Congress than anything else. Yeah, I think that's the number one priority right now is to fold into. to the Neokan agenda.

Yeah. I mean, that's what all the signs are pointing towards. The Tomahawks, the long-range missiles, Zelensky gave an interview, I believe, to Newsmax, and he basically is requesting those Tomahawks. He's telling the Trump administration reconsider the Tomahawks, long-range missiles to Ukraine. He said it in a way where I don't believe I've read segments from the interview. And from what I've understood, Zelensky is talking about the Biden package that they were once negotiating, where those Tomahawk missiles were in that Biden package, that request to Biden. The Biden White House turned it down right away.

They said, no way, are we going to give you tomahawks? But Zelensky is bringing it up again, understanding that Trump will probably fold. maybe if he compliments Trump enough and he has the pressure from Lindsay Graham, Trump will fold. Well, this is possible. It is possible. It is absolutely possible because ever said this idea of sending the tomahawks ought to have been killed immediately. And instead it was allowed to fester for a whole week. And we got David Ignatius saying that, you know, it's been put on pause, but it's not been completely walked back.

Trump has said that it has been walked back and he's not going to do it. But then Trump says one thing one day and there's the opposite the next. So one can't rely on it. And the trouble with these kind of ideas is that bad as they invariably turn out to be, sending Patriot missiles to Ukraine has turned out to be a disastrous idea. I'm just pointing that out. It has not saved Ukraine. it has depleted America's vital arsenals of its air defense missiles.

I mean, that was a disastrous idea. So what you do instead, you go from one bad idea to another even worse one. It seems astonishing that that's what they do. I understand the attackers inventory is now badly depleted as well. I mean, all weapons that the United States says it needs for all sorts of wars that he tends to fight. But Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton are fixated on Russia. You could see this with the way Tom Cotton. I'm sorry, with the way Lindsey Graham speaks.

He's even threatening Russia with a repeat of what was done to Iran, which to my mind clearly hints that missile strikes against Russia, with long-range missiles and things of that kind. What else was that about? That was a comment that Lindsay Graham made on X. So if Trump is going to follow in the wake of this, then we're going to get there in the end. Yeah, I imagine that Lindsay Graham is whispering to Trump that Russia is weak or is being weakened.

The economy is being weakened. The military is being weakened. Look at how slow they're moving. moving and don't listen to Putin and his red lines. Everything's in play. I'm sure that's what Lindsey Graham is telling Trump. Don't worry about long-range missile strikes into Russia. Russia's not going to do anything. They talk a lot, but they're not going to do anything. And you need to show peace through strength, Mr. President. I imagine that's exactly what Lindsey Graham is telling Trump. Yes. But you see, the thing with Lindsey Graham and with people like that is, is that

is that whatever happens, he will always find some kind of rationalization to argue his demands for further escalation. So let's say that the Russians do respond. He'll turn around and tell Trump, Mr. President, the Russians are acting in this aggressive way. We can't allow them to get away with it. We must escalate even more. So with Lindsey Graham and we did with Tom Coulton, you will always get a demand for escalation. They will always come up with plausible arguments to support it. But that is the only thing they ever have and they ever say. Now, I say that.

I follow Lindsay Graham very closely for, what, 10 years now? And that has been the consistent pattern of his behaviour. And I, you know, he's probably got all kinds of motivations for it. But I suspect at some level he believes it. He always wants to take the most aggressive line, the most confrontational line in any situation. That is what makes him dangerous. That is why you should keep away from him.

But Trump doesn't seem to see that. Okay, so what does Russia do? How does Russia react? Lavrov kind of brushed off the Trump threats or warnings, the 50-day ultimatum. But he did not want to say anything bad about Trump. Once again, he places it on NATO and the EU. He says the EU and NATO are putting improper pressure on Trump.

So once again, you see the Russian foreign ministry, Russia providing cover for Trump in his statements and shifting the blame and the focus on the EU and NATO. China responded to the warnings from Trump and the 100% terrorism. by saying that they're going to deepen their support with Russia. And Peskov, the Kremlin, they issued a statement saying that they're going to study Trump's statements and maybe Putin will respond if necessary. That's been the response so far from the Kremlin, from the foreign ministry, and from China. I believe China's response is much more strong, much stronger and much tougher to the and much more assertive to the United States.

And what you're seeing from Russia, once again, is you're seeing Russia tried to downplay Trump's statements and Trump's actions. You also have Keith Kellogg in Ukraine at the moment. He's been there for many days. He arrived on Monday. He's staying for a week. And you are getting statements from the Ukraine government, as well as from the United States,

saying that now that Keith Kellogg is in Kiev, Russia is not strike in Kiev, which once again, this is what they're saying. This is what they're saying, not me, which shows that Russia is absolutely scared of the United States. You get statements like Keith Kellogg is our air defense, and you see American officials come to Kiev and Russia backs off. These are not my statements. I'm just telling you, telling everybody what they are saying about Kellogg being in

Kiev for one week, that this scares off the Russians. And when I read these statements, I look at that as a way of the analysts in the Warhawks and the analysts in the U.S. and in Kiev saying, you see, at the end of the day, Russia is afraid of the United States and Trump. This is how they're framing it. Absolutely. And can I just say something else? I mean, Kiril Dimitri, if you didn't mention him, the head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, who was the person who was talking a lot to Wick golf, he also has come out and said, you know, that, you know, some people are trying to pull us away from a good reconciliation with each other. He also seemed to be going out of his way to be as conciliatory to Trump specifically as possible.

Now, about the Kellogg missile drone strike thing, I don't place any weight on that at all. I mean, the Russians, my sense is that these military, attacks, these strikes, are entirely conducted and chosen and picked by the military. And they do their timing. And I don't think there's anything more to say about that. But the point about the statements from Moscow being more conciliatory for the ones in Beijing, you're absolutely correct. And one gets to sense that at some level, somebody in Moscow, and I have to assume here in Sputon himself, still wants to cling to this idea that eventually, Trump will come to his senses and some kind of a deal with will be done, that it's too early

to burn the bridges and that kind of thing. And let's hope that eventually there will be some kind of understanding with him. I should say one Russian, two Russian officials have been much more forthright. One was Medvedev, who said, you know, let's not waste any more time listening to what Trump says. He says one thing, one day, something completely different. The next, What we've got to do is simply forget all about Trump and focus on the special military operation. And he's also made more further strong statements subsequently. And the Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Abkhov made a much stronger comment about this than Lavrov did, saying that, you know, Russia doesn't take well to ultimatums and isn't going to be influenced by any of them.

But there it is. I mean, what will the Russians do? they will continue with the special military operation. They're not going to agree to the kind of seized fire or freeze that Trump is seeking. They're going to go on doing what they're doing, advancing steadily and methodically in Ukraine. They're confident that they can brush off the sanctions. There's a long article in Reuters that says that. There's a long article in the New York Times that says the same thing.

They're very confident. They're very sure. They're not, as they will say to themselves, or at least as Putin is going to say to himself, going to overreact. And of course, you're absolutely correct. People will say that the neocons, Lindsay Graham, Tom Cotton and the others will simply say, look, there's the proof. You can push the Russians around. Their red lines don't really mean anything. Escalation is what we must continue to do. And I mean, that's the reality. That is what a lot of people say.

That's what people say in Russia. But it's the policy, the line that Putin himself clings to. And I think by this point in time, we have to accept the fact that he's never going to change it. Let me repeat again, if we're talking about Lindsay Graham and Tom Carter, I'm not talking about other people in the United States, but certainly Lindsay Graham, whatever line, whatever line. Russia takes, Lindsay Graham would demand escalation. I mean, that's the kind of person he is. I think Tom Cotton is the same. I think there are some other people who it would be the same as well. It's those people who are less hardline than that, or maybe less fanatical than that, who perhaps could be swung around and say, well, the Russians aren't responding. So let's just go ahead and send the

Tomahawks and all of those things and nothing will change. I mean, I would say, but by the way, that sending Tomahawks quite apart from how incredibly dangerous that would be in itself inherently, I mean, it would be a massive operation. It would take months to set up. I mean, it would not be something that could be done in a few weeks time and the Russians would certainly see it happen. Yeah, but so what if it takes months to set up? They'll do it. Yeah. I mean, even if it takes months to set up, they'll do it if they decide to do it. They've already decided to do it. I mean, we don't know.

Well, I probably not. But I mean, the point I'm going to make is, I mean, it's not like attackers that you can send in surreptitiously. I mean, this is a completely different, much more elaborate, far bigger, more heavy weapon system. It would be something that the Russians would very, very quickly pick up and try and see. Yeah, you know, we talk a lot about Graham, but I mean, his influence is obvious in U.S. foreign policy, that he's exerting a lot of influence on foreign policy in the United States. And he represents the neocan wing of things in D.C. So does he have a point?

Just like a final question, does he have a point in saying that the red lines don't matter? I mean, is there an understanding in the United States and even in Europe that, I mean, do they understand they have a sense that that Putin above everything else does want a deal with Trump? And maybe they're using that to their advantage. I mean, is there that sense that, you know, don't worry about what's happening on the front line. don't worry about crossing red lines. We have an understanding that Putin wants a diplomatic deal, so let's use that in our favor. And I think it is, I mean, you just said it. It is clear that above everything else, Putin for some reason, maybe he's correct as well. Maybe he knows, obviously he knows a lot of things that we don't know. Maybe he's decided that the best way

for Project Ukraine is to get a deal with the United States above everything else. Maybe that's his ideal solution to the Project Ukraine, and that's what he's aiming for. Perhaps this is being used by the collective West in order for them to further their escalation against Russia. Just a thought. I mean, I'm just throwing stuff out there as a final question. I just want to get your opinion on this. I don't think so. I think that, and we've discussed this many times, I think that Vladimir Putin, if you were to get

into one side, he would absolutely say that his optimal solution is a deal with the United States. I've discussed this many times. We've discussed this many times. He would prefer to have a situation where, you know, the situation in Ukraine is resolved. There's security on Russia's Western borders so that Russia can from that point onwards concentrate on its own internal development. I mean, he's actually explained this in public. He explained this in speeches he's made to the foreign ministry. He's talked about this often. I think that is Putin's absolute preference. I think he's starting to realize it might not come. There was an interview that he gave a few days ago to Pavel Zarabin, which is a very bitter interview from Putin's side, unlike him,

unlike many of his previous interviews, in which he said that like many people, he'd assumed that the conflict between the Soviet Union and the United States was all about ideology. He now understands that it was not and that in fact the West really does want, is antagonistic to Russia as a political entity. that this is therefore an existential struggle. And he said all of that. But I think deep down, if he could make that deal with Trump, and I think he's still clinging to the hope that maybe ultimately,

despite all of this happening now, that deal might be made, then that would be his preferred outcome. And to say it again, there are reasons, there are good reasons, why he would prefer that. I mean, maintaining vast armies on Russia's western border to counter the United States and the West and to do so indefinitely to be locked into permanent confrontation with the West is not a happy outcome for Russia any more than it is for the West. So you can see why the rational side of Putin, if I could say, put it like that, wants that.

But if you're talking about the West, the least, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. leaders of the West, I don't think they see that at all. I don't think they have ever understood that that is what Putin is about. I think on the contrary, they have to a huge, to a great extent now internalize their view that Putin is indeed this aggressive, militaristic leader. And they interpret the methodical way in which he's gone about the wall, not. as a sign of, you know, Putin being restrained, being disciplined. They see it instead as a testament to Russian incompetence, inefficiency, bungling, weakness, all of those kind of things.

So they don't understand, you know, the rational side of Putin. What they tend to do instead is they overestimate what they, they think is the weak incompetent side of Russia instead. If you go to not just their, you know, articles of the media, but the kind of material that's churning out of the think tanks, you see this all the time. Just a final question. Does Putin understand that they see things that way? I think he's coming to see it. But as I said, I think like a lot of people, or somebody who's invested the better part of 25 years to try and to develop some kind of relationship with the United States,

it is very, very difficult for him to simply say to himself, all that time, all that energy, all that hard work that I did for those 25 years, has delivered nothing. The Zarubin interview suggests that he's gradually coming round to that understanding, but I think he still finds it difficult. to completely accept that, you know, Germany has really, Germany's gone the way that it has, the Trump really, and, you know, the MAGA movement and all of those people are going to make a difference in the end. So as I said, I think that he's still saying to himself, well, the war in

Ukraine is now obviously visibly going my way. Everybody could see that. Even the West understands this. Isn't this the moment perhaps when finally reality is going to break the way? through and they're going to see that the best thing for them to do is to come to terms with me. There was a very interesting article in Reuters, which is extremely unusual because it clearly and correctly discussed Putin's attitudes and views so much so in fact that I think that it was deliberately leaked to Reuters by the Kremlin. Because what it said was that Putin is obviously not going to accept this ultimatum. He's confident in victory. He sees the things are indeed going his way in Ukraine. He's confident that Russia can ride out any sanctioned storm. But that he's also

very, very frustrated that the West doesn't seem to be able to understand what he's saying, that they're not seriously negotiating with him over his terms and that he feels that he has to continue the war until they finally come round to doing so. And I think that actually describes pretty accurately, you know, the kind of thinking that's going on in so, you know, within Putin, on the part of Putin and he's in a circle. So on the one hand, they're not, he's not, prepared to make any concessions, and I think this is a thing always to bear in mind, he's never going to make any important concessions to the West that will concentrate, compromise Russia's long-term security and its interests. But he still clings to the hope that eventually the West

will come round to his way of thinking, or at least some people in the West will. That's interesting what you say about the Reuters article. In a way, it's, it's, it's Reuters saying and the Kremlin saying that Putin is going about this war, he's still going about this war in order to push the West towards a diplomatic solution instead of an outright military victory, instead of a military solution. He's fighting the war to get the West to finally realize that it's in their best interest for a diplomatic solution to the conflict. While on the other side, the West has the attitude of escalating in order to to push Putin. They say it all the time in order to push Putin to the negotiating table to agree to their terms, to the ceasefire.

Yeah. Yeah, I know. That's what they say. Yeah. Of course, Putin would describe the outcome that we are attributing to him. And of course, we've never spoken to him, but I'm fairly confident that we've got it correct. Putin would say that that for Russia is a victory. It is the best possible victory.

I mean, that is not only what he is saying to himself, but what he's saying to the people around him. And what I suspect a lot of them think too, I mean, people like Dimitria, for example, of the Russia Direct Investment Fund, I think that they really do believe that. So I think that he does, see it as ultimately pushing towards a victory. But I mean, I did think the Freud's

The two viewpoints are at odds, though, aren't they? The two viewpoints are at complete diametric opposites to each other because Putin thinks if he continues the war, eventually the West will come to terms. The West thinks that they continue the war. They Putin and the Russians will eventually come to terms. And both are wrong, at least in terms of what they want the outcome to be. My personal view, and I think this is something that people like Medvedev, and because of course, there are undoubtedly people in the Kremlin who are pushing back on all of this and are arguing against it all the time and they're getting stronger and more vocal Medvedev and people like him,

they're going to simply say, look, forget about all of this. The negotiations are a complete waste of time. Trump is a complete waste of time. He says one thing one day, something completely different the next. Just get on and win the war. And once we've won, then if they want to come around and talk to us in the future, then maybe we can talk. But until that point is reached, just put all this to one side and forget about it and focus all your energies single-mindedly on winning the war.

And that I think is probably increasingly a strong view within the Crown. to. All right. We will end the video there at the durand.com. We are on Rumbleoddice, Bichute Telegram, Rockfin, and X, and go to the DuranShaw. Pick up merch, free shipping everywhere.

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