The Duran Podcast - NATO/EU leaders fear US-Russia negotiations
Episode Date: December 2, 2023NATO/EU leaders fear US-Russia negotiations ...
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All right, Alexander, let's do an update on what is happening in Ukraine.
Things are looking very, very bad.
Not quite to the point of a Ukraine military collapse,
but the Russian military is really putting a lot of pressure on Ukraine's military.
And it is starting to crack.
I mean, I think we are seeing visible cracks, and not so much us.
I don't think that's the important part.
The collective West is starting to see visible cracks.
And as we have been reporting over the past couple of weeks, they are absolutely panicking.
So let's start with the front lines.
And then we can move on to the diplomatic situation, maybe talk a bit about Ukraine, the NATO meeting, and any other diplomacy that's happening.
the EU, the US and Project Ukraine, as long as it takes and all that stuff. But let's start with
the front lines. Yeah, let's start with the front lines. And I mean, we had important news yesterday.
And it was from basically two places where the Russians are pushing hard. Now, you said that
the Russians are pushing, and they are indeed pushing, but it's important to say that the Russians
still are only pushing with a limited fraction of their total forces.
We haven't yet seen them deploy anything like the number of men and machines that they're now starting to accumulate.
So it's still preliminaries, and yet even this is now having an effect.
So yesterday we had really important news from Bachmert.
And you remember, Bachmit was the big story at the start of this year, you know, right through the first part, half of the year.
It's a tremendous battle for Bachmuth.
The Ukrainians made a huge effort.
to defend Bachmuth, they were eventually defeated, they lost Bachmut, they then counterattack,
there's a big counterattack throughout August, September. Well, that's now completely run out,
of course, and it's the Russians who are now advancing. And yesterday, they captured a village
which the Ukrainians, I should say, called Kromovar. The Russians call it Artemisko, but let's
stick with Kromovo, which is the name I've always known it by. So Kromovo was captured,
Now there's two important things to say about Kromo.
Firstly, the Russians have never captured it before since the start of the Special Military Operation.
It was a village, for example, that the Wagner organisation, which was leading the assault in Bachmut at the start of this year, never captured.
So we see that the Russians have now gone beyond the furthest advance of the first advance of the first.
of the Wagner organisation
in this part of the
Bahmut front lines
and that again tells us
that the Ukrainian counter-attack
around Bahmut has failed
the second thing
is that Kromovar is potentially
very important because it opens
the way to an attack
on a larger, bigger village
called Bogdanovka
if the Russians are able to capture
Bogdanovka and the reports yesterday
that they're making the first steps to try to capture Bogdanovka.
Then they are not just to the northwest of Bahmert.
They are now to the west of Bahmuth.
They start controlling territory stably to the west of Bahmoud.
And if you look at a map that folds all Ukrainian positions to the southwest.
so the Ukrainian forces would probably be unable to maintain their current positions anywhere along the Bachman front lines.
Now, this is important, partly because the Ukrainians have attached so much importance to Bachman,
but also because it opens the way for the Russians to finally fully consolidate control of Bachmut
and push forward if they choose further west.
And there's a string of small towns.
There's Charles of Yard, which looks very vulnerable.
There's another place called Konstantinovka,
which is a little further to the west.
And then beyond that, there's Klamatosk,
which is, you know, the key town in this area.
If the Ukrainians start being pushed all the way back to Klamatosk,
then you're talking about.
a major operational crisis.
So that's bad news.
This is bad news for Ukraine.
It's an important piece of the chess board around Bachmert
and the Russians have just taken it,
this village of Kromovu.
But it's also looking bad in other places too.
So the Russians have also continued to push forward in Avdewka.
And again, we had a whole collection,
cascade of news from the Avdewka front lines.
Now remember,
Bachman was the big story at the start of this year.
Ofdefka is not the big story.
At the end of this year, it looks as if the Russians are moving forward pretty much everywhere,
in every part of the lines on the of Devka perimeter they're continuing to advance.
We discussed in our last video how they'd capture this industrial zone.
They seem to be pressing further deeper from that part of their advance into
Avdewka, but they've also had started apparently significant advances from the
southwest, from the north, and they're pushing more aggressively now beyond the railway.
It's been confirmed that they're present in Stubourvoje, this village to the west, and they're
also moving further there. So big events taking place in Avdewka as well, and when senses again
a situation where their front line, Ukrainian front lines are crumbling.
A Russian official, Jan Gagin, said that in the industrial zone,
the Russians have found hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers, bodies of Ukrainian soldiers,
that were abandoned there.
And it looks as if the situation in Afdeiak,
and that part of the place was, you know, a total collapse, a rouse.
And bear in mind, if we're doing it.
talking about 200 dead soldiers in this part of the battlefronts.
The area, this area has been defended by a brigade, the 110th.
A typical manpower, a typical amount of troops that a brigade would have would be about
4,000 at the start. It's most unlikely that this brigade is anywhere close up to strength.
But if you're talking about 200 men out of a force of 4,000, that is a significant.
significant level of loss for just one sector in the battlefronts. And there's been a
cascade in news about Russian advances elsewhere. The Russians have been advancing in the Zaporosia
Front in two places along the Zaporosia Front, and they've been advancing in this village of
Norvo Mikhailovar, which I don't really understand that battle by the way, but anyway, they
seem to be advancing there too. That's in central Dombas. And we, we,
getting reports now that they're pushing forward in the Kupiansk-Liemann area as well and this morning
we got reports that the first leopard one tank this is this late earlier German tank with a thin
armor and the light gun that the first leopard one tank has now been destroyed in the area in this area
in the north so the impression when he's getting is that the Russians advancing everywhere in
every part of the front lines, pushing the Ukrainians back, gaining territory, coming closer
to capturing Avdaevka, and finally stabilising and consolidating their control, not just of
Bachmut itself, but of the entire Bahmut area, but also pushing forward in other places.
And just to explain why this is happening, it seems to me that there are now two straightforward
forward reasons. First, Ukraine is short of men. This is now, I think, universally acknowledged.
So soldiers who are defending front lines are now chronically under strength. The units are chronically
under strength. The men are exhausted. They are, you know, they have been fighting for months.
Losses in the various offensives Ukraine has conducted, have massively depleted the numbers
in the Ukrainian military.
And the second is that they're desperately short of shells.
So they aren't able to bring down in a large amounts of shell fire
on advancing Russian troops.
The European Union has now admitted that it's only supplied Ukraine 300,000 shells
out of the 1 million it promised back in March.
So they're very, very short of shells.
There's suffering from shell hunger.
They're trying to substitute FPV drones for shells, but FPV drones are much smaller.
They do much less damage than, you know, shells do.
And not only are the Russians not short of shells themselves, but of course the Russian Air Force is now active.
They're bombing the Ukrainians with precision-guided smart bombs.
And some of these smart bombs, importantly, are now carried clusters.
munitions which are much more powerful just as the Russian said would be the case much
more powerful than the cluster munitions that Jake Sullivan decided to award the
Ukrainians back in August so you can see what's happening it's that the Ukrainians are
being steadily ground down in every part of the battlefronts and no one I know can come up with a way of
turning this round. Talk about a huge mobilisation coming. That's apparently going to be announced
next week, but it'll take weeks to train men and then send them to the front line. The training
they're going to get is not going to be remotely up to the level that's needed. They're going
to be very young men, perhaps women, people with no background in the military before. So it'd be
very difficult to integrate them into the military. And of course, with shells, the prime
problem of the shells, with the problems of the tanks. There really is no solution to it.
Yeah. And remember what Putin said a while back. We haven't even started yet.
Russia hasn't even started yet. Yes. It's, it's, it's unbelievable. It's, what they're doing
to Ukraine is, is unbelievable. Not what I mean they, I mean the collective West and NATO.
what they're doing to Ukraine is, it's tragic.
But the, yeah, the stories of the 200 soldiers that you said that the Russian military they found.
You're getting stories of mass desertions, of women.
You are seeing women on the front line.
I mean, I'm seeing every day more and more images and videos of women in trenches.
You're going to have this huge mobilization.
You know, and you see the entire gains, the small, the entire, the small, minuscule gains that Ukraine made during the counteroffensive, Rapotinia, and all of this cheerleading over these little villages that Ukraine captured in six months of the counteroffensive has been wiped away.
Yes, been completely wiped away.
Exactly.
And what's your response from NATO and from Stoltenberg?
I don't know if you caught the press conference that Stoltenberg had.
These people are delusional.
Stoltenberg was talking about Ukraine has captured 50% of the territory in this war that Russia took, he said.
Ukraine has pushed back the Russian Black Sea fleet.
Ukraine has won victories in the siege of Kiev, the Kharkov counteroffensive, and the
what was the, the Herzogne counterfeiting.
That's what he said.
Yes.
That was what Stoltenberg told the media, told the world.
This is delusion.
I think you have Annalina Berbach.
And I want your thoughts on this.
I think you have Annalina Berbach sending a warning to all of the European NATO foreign ministers
not to forget about Ukraine.
We got to, you know, support them for as long as it takes because what is Annalina Bearbach said?
What does she say?
This is, this is fatal.
This is becoming fatal for, for Ukraine.
Just, just surrender.
Surrender.
This is, they're going to wipe away this entire country, people, everything.
Well, can I just start with what you were saying about the women and the very young people that are now being dragooned into the battle, into the war?
because that's basically what they're now starting to do.
This is a terrible thing.
Ukraine has already a huge demographic problems before the war.
This is going to make it far, far worse.
You're going to, I mean, it doesn't even bear thinking about what they're going to do.
Quite apart from the personal tragedy that each and every one of these women and young people,
is going to suffer when they're thrown into the battle, quite apart from the personal tragedy of their parents and their husbands and their loved ones and their children that they might be.
I mean, no one, no one should contemplate doing a thing like this.
And you talked about Annalina Behrbock.
General Kuyat, who used to be the Inspector General of the German Armed Forces.
the Bundesaffair and it was a top NATO official.
Well, he had some comments to make about Bebock
in a recent interview that he did
and he said fanatical
and that is what this is starting to look like.
I mean, he actually used that expression to describe
he said incompetent but fanatical as well.
Fanatical at the cost of someone else
because, you know, pushing Ukraine to continue.
you fighting this way is an absolute disaster. I mean, I would call it a crime, frankly. I mean,
it is one of the most callous crimes against a nation I have ever seen. And, you know, all these
people... Russia has not even started yet. I have to say that. They haven't even started yet.
Yes. As far as I'm aware, none of the men who have been called up this year in Russia. Now,
I say, none have been called up, who've joined the military this year. And we're now talking about
something like 410,000 of them have yet been engaged seriously in the war.
And, you know, I've now had a report.
I can't discuss who this person is, but he is an extremely well-regarded person.
I mean, he writes for journals which people of the military world will know about.
He's telling me that, in fact, it's not 410,000, it's more,
that the Russian military is even bigger than people think it is.
And I've also been getting again from him, but also from others,
actual figures about Russian military production.
And, I mean, it's eye-watering.
We haven't seen even a fraction of that being deployed yet.
But, you know, you've got to find some way around,
and you're going to, therefore, throw these young men, these students,
and these women into battle.
I mean, as I said, it is unsubstantiated.
It is
horrible what is happening.
But you go to
Stoltenberg, you mention Stoltenberg,
you mention Annalina Bebaud,
you mention Ursula von der Leyen.
What are all of these
three people doing? They're all busy
at the moment doing something
which is clearly
intended to prevent
negotiations between Russia
and Ukraine from taking place.
Stoltenberg himself
has acknowledged now. I mean,
He blurted it out, I don't think he intended to, but he blurted it out,
that the war happened because the Russians were anxious about the fact that Ukraine looked like it was going to join NATO.
And that for the Russians, this was an absolutely unacceptable thing.
So what does he do?
He's now working hard, he's working hard with, you know, Anders Fograsn, his predecessor.
He's working hard with the NATO bureaucracy.
to accelerate Ukraine's membership bid into NATO, to try to get Ukraine into NATO.
Ursula von der Leyen and the European Commission against, you know, massive amounts of doubt and skepticism amongst the EU member states is pushing increasingly hard to get Ukraine into the EU.
Now, the reason they're taking these steps, and I've, you know, wondered about this.
But I think the reason they're taking these steps is that because they know that these steps are going to create conditions, situations, which make it impossible for the Russians to agree to peace with Ukraine.
The Russians have made it clear we are not accepting Ukraine's membership in NATO.
They've been reasonably open until recently to Ukraine's membership of the EU.
but I get the sense that even that is waning.
So what to Stoltenberg and Ursula von der Leyen and Annalina Berbock
and people like that do?
They accelerate the moves towards getting Ukraine into NATO
and into the EU.
Even the United States has said, you know,
we're not keen about Ukraine joining NATO.
We don't want Ukraine into NATO.
No, that might lead to a war between us
and the Russians.
But Stoltenberg is driving it forward.
And I can't help but think that the reason he's driving it forward
and Ursula is driving it forward
is because they don't want talks.
They don't want negotiations.
They would rather have Ukraine completely obliterated
than face that, for them, nightmare prospect,
of some kind of a deal being done,
either between the Ukrainians and the Russians, which, to be frank, looks incredibly unlikely,
or even more dangerously for them, that deal being done between the Russians and the Americans
if or when Donald Trump or someone like him becomes president.
So this is now their overriding priority.
And if hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men and women, young men and women, are sent it to battle and killed in order to prevent that happening, well, for then that's a price worth paying.
And I think we need to say that.
Yeah, it's incredible when you think about it.
Their number one concern is preserving their own power, saving their own butt.
And it's such a concern for them that they would have no problem sacrificing.
tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people if it means that they can preserve,
they can preserve their power.
It's astonishing.
It's absolutely incredible.
But you know, here's a question for you.
They fast track Ukraine and to NATO.
What difference does it make at this point in time?
I was thinking about this the other day.
What difference does it make?
Does anyone actually think that Ukraine and NATO, that the U.S. is going to go to war with Russia,
that the American people would actually be, yeah, let's go to war with Russia.
No, no, no chance.
Europe, is anyone in Europe going to actually put boots on the ground in Ukraine because it's in NATO?
I'll tell you right now, there's not one person in Greece, not one person in Greece, even the most pro-Ukraine person in Greece.
And we have them here.
Not many, but we do have them.
They would be like, no chance am I going to Ukraine to fight the Russians.
No chance. I mean, my point in all of this is outside of nuclear weapons being used. I mean,
the whole NATO thing to me seems null and void as well, because I think Russia is just going to call their bluff.
Even if Stoltenberg and Ursula, Borel, Annalina, even if they get their way and they fast track Ukraine into NATO, I think Russia is just going to continue to do what they're doing.
They say it over and over again. We're going to achieve our goals.
here he is. And when the Russians say something, the Russians mean it.
And the NATO membership for Ukraine is, to me, at this point of time, maybe a year ago,
it would have been different, maybe. But at this point of time, I don't think it makes any
difference, at least with Russia's goals that they've set out. I don't think it makes any
difference. And I can't see any country getting involved. And if the United States doesn't get
involved, if the U.S. doesn't put boots on the ground, then what European country is going to put boots on the
ground? I mean, I was reading a New York Times article, which said that the German military is worse off
today than it was a year, a year and a half ago after Olaf Schultz pledged that he's going to put
$100 billion into it and he's going to reform it and revive it and all this stuff.
The New York Times said that the German military, they have no ammo, they have no functioning
toilets. I mean, it's a complete disaster. Your focus on this, because it's...
Absolutely.
This logic, this logic is, this logic about Ukraine and NATO is, is, is a, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is leading, they're leading, they're leading Ukraine into another dead end.
Well, indeed. I mean, it's what General Kuyat again said. It's fanatical. It is, it is, it is, it is, it is, as you said at the start of the program, it is delusional. You know, it talks about the fact that nobody in Greece is going to fight for Ukraine.
it's increasingly clear that nobody in Poland is going to either look at what is happening on Ukraine's
Polish borders they're blocked I mean you know all the truckers there they're blocking they've imposed
a blockade on Ukraine I mean the mood the sentiment in Poland not just it's clear now amongst you know
the former government but amongst people in Poland has completely turned against this whole
project. The idea of anybody in the United States or Europe fighting for Ukraine is, I mean,
that, as you correctly said, last year, it was a real possibility. It was a real danger.
It is not a danger anymore. And I think this is a essential thing that people really need to
understand. Public opinion has turned against that whole idea completely. As you rightly say,
The only conceivable country that could fight against Russia in Ombabaab of NATO is the United States.
American public opinion is dead against it.
I think even the Biden administration understands that.
And for that reason, by the way, despite what Stoltenberg is trying to do,
Ukraine is not going to join NATO, not whilst this war is on the way,
not until the Russians have completed their SMO.
And when the Russians have completed their SMO,
then it will become completely impossible, conclusively impossible.
But that's not what Stoltenberg's real objective is.
He doesn't want Ukraine in NATO.
What he really doesn't want, what he's really acting to prevent,
are substantive negotiations between the Russians and the Americans.
That's what this is ultimately all about.
now and that is what Ukraine is being sacrificed to prevent I mean it is he wants
destroy Ukraine he wants to destroy Ukraine to save his reputation I mean yes yes
sorry sorry continue yeah I mean that's that is exactly correct to reserve his
rep to save his reputation to save the reputation of all of the other people who
were involved in you know was in in in starting the war in Europe in the first place
and also to preserve their power
as you know, reputation and power go together.
This is what it is all about now.
And in the meantime, Ukraine is going down.
And of course, in Ukraine itself,
the Ukrainians could, in theory, break away.
But there is no conceivable way that is going to happen.
Just look at the political situation in Kiev.
It's now clear that the relationship between
Zelensky and Zoluzni remains utterly poisonous.
I mean, you know, we've had a Ukrainian MP
making all kinds of critical statements about Zilluzni.
We've had Budanov's wife, poison.
This is a mysterious business.
But bear in mind just a few weeks ago,
we had a man blown up supposedly
because he pulled a pin out of a grenade.
It is increasingly looking as if
the political situation in Ukraine
is barely under control.
And given this crisis, in Kiev itself,
negotiations simply cannot happen.
And so we've had statements today from Kulaba
saying that Ukraine will not trade Crimea for NATO membership.
That's the Ukrainian foreign minister.
We've had Zelensky saying that, you know,
we're going to get into Crimea soon.
Dombas might be a bit more difficult,
but we've got that back as well.
we have all these fantastical, delusional statements,
even when the results on the battlefield point in a completely different direction.
And even as the news from Ukraine itself is of a population
that is becoming increasingly cynical and disaffected and demoralized,
they're becoming increasingly worried.
The winter looks like it's going to be much colder.
than last winter was.
There's enormous worries
about whether the Russians
are going to attack the energy system.
It looks like all the money to repair
the energy system was embezzled,
so it's in no shape or condition
to withstand another Russian missile offensive,
like the one we saw last winter.
And there is no solution,
no answer to Ukraine's military problems,
which are going to continue to get worse,
but we see that both in Kiev
and in NATO, the NATO bureaucracy and in Europe,
all the talk is to try to keep Ukraine still in the war,
still fighting, to feed the stories of potential Ukrainian victory,
to talk about the victory in Kiev, which, as we now know, is a complete fiction.
I mean, we discussed that before.
The Russians withdrew as part of a diplomatic deal,
which the West sabotaged.
They talk about
Kharkov and Hirsson region
and the Kharkov offensives
being reversed
and the Herson offensive
is at a standstill
and the losses Ukraine suffered
as a result of those were horrendous
but the realities
today on the battlefronts
anyway are completely different
but Stoltenberg
he won't talk about that
Annalina Bebouk won't talk about that
what she's doing instead is warning people about not being fatalistic about Ukraine.
They must go on still supporting Ukraine, giving Ukraine everything so that it can continue the war until it is finally destroyed.
I mean, the Russians say, you know, that it's until the last Ukrainian, and that's what it's beginning to look like.
Yeah, it's almost like they want to, I guess it's like destroying the scene of the crime, I guess, you know,
They just, I think Stoltenberg, von der Leyen, Annalina, Zelensky, Yermak, all these people.
They're so up to their neck in so much just, just crap, you know, just nasty crap that they just, they've decided, let's just destroy the whole thing.
And Russia did it.
Exactly.
That's what they're doing.
Blame it all on Putin.
Blame it all on the Russians.
When Ukraine is destroyed, all this, you know, hundreds of thousands.
of people have been killed. It's all Putin's fault. And because it's all Putin's fault, we must
take even more steps to insulate and protect and defend Europe from him and clamp down even
more on anybody in Europe who says otherwise. So that is the agenda now. Yeah, let me just
to wrap up the video, let me read you a quote. And I want your thoughts, your human psychology
input on this, just so we understand how these people think. And this has to do with Brexit, but
But I think you'll be, I think you'll be able to relate this to Ukraine.
So Ursula von der Leyen, she gave an interviewer, made some comments about Brexit and how the
UK is now looking to move back into the European Union.
That's the trajectory of things.
And she said, she said this, I keep telling my children, and she's talking about Brexit,
I keep telling my children, you have to fix it.
We goofed up.
You have to fix it.
So I think here, too, the direction of travel, my personal opinion is clear.
I just read that quote, we goofed up.
And I just think, you know, this is the way these people think.
This is how they're going to explain everything when it all collapses.
It's just going to be like, you know, what are your thoughts on that?
Just the psychology of these globalists in these institutions is, it just sickens you.
But anyway, that's how they see the world.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that is exactly what they're going to say.
You know, we acted out of good faith.
It was a, we made mistakes, as we did with Iraq, as we did with Libya, but we acted
with the best of intentions all along.
And if everything in the end turned out bad, well, it was not our fault.
It was because there wasn't enough will and determination.
People didn't give as much money as they should have done.
They didn't give as much weapons as they should have done.
They could have given more.
Never explained how that could have happened.
And of course, in the end, in this particular crisis,
it's absolutely not our fault.
It's the fault of the horrible man in the Kremlin
and these terrible people around him, Putin,
and his accomplices.
They are the people who ruined our beautiful dream.
And, you know, the only responsibility you take
is that you made certain mistakes.
you goofed.
You goofed up.
You still want all those hundreds of thousands of students and women to go to the battlefronts.
But that's only a mistake if they had died.
It's only a mistake on your part if they died.
I mean, it's good that we make these programs now,
because when those excuses are made,
we have programs like this as a public record of what it was really,
of what it really all amounted to.
Before we finished, just wanted to say,
I noticed that in Britain,
and I mentioned it on my programme,
for my own channel yesterday,
they're now resurrecting the story
that it was actually Putin,
who turned down the prospects of peace last year.
There was this mysterious deal
that nobody knows anything about
that was negotiated with Cossack,
you know, Cossack, Putin's,
official that he did some kind of a deal with the Ukrainians and that Putin rejected it.
There is absolutely, just to say again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for that story.
But it again tells you the deep down, the British know full well what they actually did
in March and April of last year when they knocked away the chance,
had to agree to a peace.
We've seen the same comments now being made by Adistovic.
Adestovic has confirmed that as well, that Ukraine had a good peace deal then,
and it was all thrown away.
And the British...
He said very good, very favorable peace deal, he said.
He actually said the Russians made a lot of concessions.
That's what he said.
Exactly. Exactly.
So very, very good peace deal was made last year.
the British played an instrumental role in throwing it away.
But they're starting to get nervous that people are going to start pointing the fingers of them.
So they're now falling back again on this fictitious story about this other deal that was supposedly rejected by Putin
and was negotiated by a man, he's former chief of staff, Dimitri Kozak, who played no role actually.
no known role in the negotiations at all. So just remember that to keep an eye out for that story
because it looks like it's being revived. Trying to protect Boris Johnson, protect the
Boris Johnson. Not just Boris Johnson, but the reputation of the entire British political class,
who the one thing that were united about was this. Yeah, yeah, I should, let's send it there.
Actually, let me ask you one more question about what's going on with Ukraine.
I think this is a bad sign for Zelensky, but maybe it's not.
Maybe I'm looking into this a bit too much.
But all of a sudden, in the past couple of weeks, we've seen Navalny kind of resurrected again.
The story of Navalny.
Two weeks ago, he was given an award in Germany, the Bambi Awards or the, I don't know,
some Bambi awards or something for humanitarian stuff or, you know,
anyway, he was given these awards of Anderlayan presented Navalny with this award.
Just out of the blue, Navalny gets an award.
The other day, political had Navalny as the number two dreamer in the world right after Zelensky,
because he's the only real opposition to Putin.
And I was just thinking, you know, this is probably bad news for Zelensky because if there's one thing that we know about the collective West,
it's that they always have to have some sort of Putin foil, some sort of person who's opposing Putin, the good guy and the bad guy.
And it was Navalny, then it switched to Zelensky.
It seems like there might be some effort to resurrect, you know, the whole Navalny thing again.
I mean, I don't know.
What are your thoughts?
No, I absolutely.
Of course, they're trying to give regime change another go.
And they want to get Navalny back in the news.
I don't know.
I think it's now even the most.
deluded people in Washington and Brussels realize that the regime change isn't going to happen.
I mean, not in Russia.
But you're absolutely correct.
I think that's exactly what it's all about.
I mean, you know, Zelensky is no longer the flavor of the month, to put it mildly.
In fact, we have articles in time telling us that he's deluded and messianic and all of that.
So we have to have some other hero, some other great Putin heroes.
so we dust off as a
Navalny again and we
trundle him back onto the stage
because the one thing
we cannot allow
is people
actually
ceasing to see
Putin himself
in the darkest
possible terms
so how do you keep somebody
in anything other than the darkest
possible terms
so how do you keep somebody
in the dark
it's by projecting the light onto someone else.
So once it was Zelensky, now it's again Navalny.
So Putin remains the dark lord there on the stage.
But we can't really let the light shine on him
so that people might actually get a true sense of what he's really like.
Out of nowhere, they start talking about Lavalini again.
Very odd.
Anyway, all right.
We'll end it there.
Forgotten man in Russian now.
I mean, he really is.
Yeah.
I mean, his approval before all of this started was very, very low.
I imagine now it's...
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