The Duran Podcast - Orban exposes true purpose of European Union

Episode Date: December 17, 2023

Orban exposes true purpose of European Union

All right, Alexander, let's talk about Zelensky's travels. Doesn't seem like he wants to go back home, just expected. It's odd. It's strange, but it's also expected. And let's also talk about what happened at the EU meeting, which, by the way, Zelensky was supposed to be in attendance, but then he was told not to show up because that might have triggered Orban. But we did get a vote. on a session for Ukraine and Moldova session talks for Ukraine and Moldova,

as well as a candidate status for Georgia. And Orban, he left the room. He didn't even participate in the vote. And I think that was actually a pretty good move on Orban's part, if you want my opinion. But anyway, we have a whole bunch of news to get to with regards to Ukraine, Zelensky and the European Union. So Zelensky goes to the United States. Let's start with a trip, yeah. Let's start with the trip.

So he goes, well, he goes to Argentina. He meets all one there. They have an argument. He goes on to the United States. He pleads and begs for money. He's not going to get any money now before Christmas, before the new year. So the Christmas present that he was hoping to get, you know, the $61 billion of aid, that's not come. Now, after he left, a deal was done.

between McConnell and Schumer to hold another vote in the Senate next week, apparently. But Mike Johnson, who is the Speaker of the House, he says he's not interested. The Senate can do whatever they like, but his position is unchanged. And we'll see how much opposition, how many Republicans, what the Republicans in the Senate choose to do. But he's not going to get any money from the United States, and nobody expects him to before February at the earliest. And in the meantime, we've had an impeachment vote in the United States. We've got apparently reports, well, not apparently, I've read them. There are reports in the media here in Britain that the president himself,

Joe Biden, he's now apparently only worrying and thinking about both the impeachment and the legal proceedings against his son. And that is now he's all-consuming, overriding concern and topic. And so an unsuccessful trip for Zelensky in the United States. So he then comes to Europe and he goes to Oslo and meets the king and the leadership of Norway. I'm not quite sure why. Bearing mind, Norway is not a member of the European Union. He then apparently went to Wiesbaden in Germany, which again, I don't completely understand.

understand what the precise purpose of that visit was. Germany is in the middle of a political crisis. Schultz and his coalition partners have patched together a budget, but everybody's unhappy. If you read the German media, there's lots of criticisms. Things are not good there. They're all absorbed by these things. He's kept away from Brussels.

And I can't help but think that, you know, what Zelensky wanted was an invitation to go to Brussels. But they kept him away. And again, it's not just Orban. I am sure that they didn't want him to meet there. Because Orban is a known quantity. There's all sorts of other EU leaders who probably, if they met Zelensky, given how, shall we say, unpopular Zelenskyy is becoming,

it's quite likely that they will worry that if he actually was in Brussels and was trying to lobby EU leaders to vote for accession talks for Ukraine and for funding for Ukraine. They were probably worried that he was there. It might actually put people off, not just Orban, but others as well. So eventually they packed. I'm not even sure where he is at the moment, whether he's back in Kiev. There were some reports that he visited Poland and had a brief meeting with Donald.

But whatever it is, it's the same old story that we've seen with Zelensky in the past. When he leaves Kiev, he doesn't want to return. You have these strange, aimless, prolonged journeys that he engages in. And to the extent that he meets people who are important, the meetings themselves don't go well. So, anyway, the EU then gets round. to this discussion. So they're going to have discussion about accession talks

with Ukraine and with Moldova and as you correctly say, they've given Georgia candidate status. Whatever that means, by the way. I think Turkey has had candidate status since what, 2002, something like that. Anyway, I mean, I'm not going to

100 years. I'm not going to get into explore all of that. But anyway, so we have we have a decision discussions about this Orban has made it absolutely clear

that he thinks that in bringing Ukraine into the EU is a terrible idea one sense is that quite a lot of other people basically agree with him as is always the way

though in these sort of meetings when it comes down to it nobody wants to, apart from Orban, nobody's prepared to go up against the EU Kambina. They're all worried about funds, about having funds frozen or refused by the commission. So Orban makes it completely clear. I'm not interested in it. This isn't something I think, I think this is a terrible idea. But he talks about 30 billion. euros of money supposed to go to Hungary which is frozen he's not prepared to green light

Ukraine's aid package one sense is he's probably not going to green light either of the accession talks between Ukraine and the EU unless something is done with that the EU unfreezes 10 billion euros for Hungary just before the accession talks Orban is not going to vote for something that he fundamentally disagrees with. So he leaves the room. And that way he keeps his position uncompromised. He can come round and vote against in the future. And he's just come back and said, you know, there's going to be 75 possible opportunities

to vote against it in the future. So he's not in any way compromised on his views, but he's got 10 billion euros. And the EU has got accession talks, which nobody, I think, who looks at the situation, really thinks are going to go very far. I mean, even Mark Huta, the outgoing Dutch prime minister, who's currently been in London,

has said that these talks will go on for years. Nobody seriously thinks that Ukraine is remotely ready for EU membership. And besides all of this, ignores the military realities of what's actually happening in Ukraine at the moment, which is that it is losing the war. Now, why is the EU going for accession talks with Ukraine at this moment? time. I mean, we can, I think, parked to one side, Moldova and Georgia, if they were going to launch accession talks for Ukraine, they had to give some kind of salt to the Georgians and the

Moldovans because otherwise they would have been very angry. Maria Sando, who's in a, under a lot of pressure in Moldova, would have probably felt undermined and compromised. So why do they do it for Ukraine? I think there's a very simple reason, actually. which is that the EU is very worried, indeed, about all of these signs that the United States is wavering on Ukraine. They're probably even more alarmed about, you know, the words from people like Richard Hass at the Council for Foreign Relations, that, you know, there have to be some kind of talks between Russia and Ukraine, because what they are most worried about is that the Americans and the Russians will start to talk to each other over Ukraine. There's now been a recommendation

to that effect by George Beebe, who is, you know, important figure in the American political establishment, foreign policy establishment. So the EU are extremely worried about this. The EU Commission, in particular, doesn't want anything to happen which could possibly compromise the principle of unlimited and unending EU expansion.

And they don't want the Americans bargaining over their heads about something like that. So they've started these accession talks. Basically, I think, in order to close down any possibility of negotiations, I think this is what this is all about. Yeah, but it doesn't really accomplish that goal, does it? No. I mean, if the U.S. wants to talk to Russia, they're going to talk to Russia.

I don't think they're going to really care that much about the EU. But they've all admitted the interesting part about the coverage of this, story. I was reading The Guardian today, and they were covering the story, and every Collective West outlet admits that this was a political decision. Even EU members, EU member states, and even Ursula and Michelle, pretty much admit that this was a political decision. It had nothing to do with any of like the real requirements for accession into the European Union, financial, economic, foreign policy, diplomatic, had nothing to do with any of that.

Legal. It was purely a political decision. And Orban is right to walk out of the room and say, you know what? I got my 10 billion. You guys want to vote Ukraine? Go ahead. I can't stop this.

It's, you know, it's, why stop this? I'm not going to be able to convince you guys otherwise. It's like him saying, you know, you're so obsessed with go ahead. Go ahead and hang yourself. That's how I see it. Can I just say something? If Alban had stuck to his guns and vetoed this proposal,

firstly, he wouldn't have got those 10 billion euros. Secondly, they would have found a way around their procedures and they would have just excluded him for further discussions. I mean, people, I think, again, very naive about this. They assume that it's possible for Hungary by itself or with Slovakia to block accession talks. I happen to know that EU decisions are sometimes made, especially at the Council of Ambassadors, which is the one where most of the decisions, by the way, get Rabasthan. that they're often made without governments knowing about this.

I mean, it's because their representatives are excluded. What the EU is perfectly capable of doing is deciding that, you know, they should hold a discussion in Brussels about admitting or starting accession talks with Ukraine and Orban and Faso don't get an invitation. And if they try to turn up, well, you know, their plane is stopped.

at the airport or something. You know, I think people need to understand that this is how it works. I can remember back in 2015 that the incoming Greek government of Tepras, by the way, discovered that it had supposedly agreed to and voted for sanctions, a particular group of sanctions against Russia, which they hadn't even been informed about. So, I mean, and I understand this kind of thing goes on all the time. So Orban knows perfectly well that if they want to get this, if they want to press on and do this, they will do this. The fact that there are rules and procedures, the EU doesn't care about those rules.

the rules, EU rules, prevented the European Central Bank from, you know, freezing funding to Greece and Cyprus during the financial crisis. That didn't mean that the European Central Bank didn't do it. So I think people need to understand this. I mean, because I know that Orban's actions have come in for some criticism, but he knows perfectly well that what would eventually happen and given the way that he's been

monstered and demonised it would be applauded in the Western media if he was excluded from discussions in that way even if it was done contrary to the rules so I think he did exactly the right thing

he said look I'm totally opposed of this thing this is completely wrong but if you want to go ahead, just go ahead. I mean, but don't pretend. Don't make anybody think that I think that this is right. And of course, they've gone ahead and again, they've broken their own rules by starting accession talks on a country that is completely ineligible

by any conceivable measure to EU membership. But of course, that's what the rules based international order is all about. The rules based international order is that we make up the rules as we go along and it suits us. Now about this being a completely political decision, of course it's as is as is Moldova, I just want to say. I just want to say as is Moldova. They don't fulfill any of the requirements. It's not only Ukraine. Yeah. I just wanted to. Of course not. But, but, you know, that is what this whole thing demonstrates and proves conclusively, once and for all is that the EU

whatever it was when it was first set up in all those years ago in 1960 at the time of the Treaty of Rome today it's purely a geopolitical project it is nothing else the fiction that it was some kind of economic association has disappeared completely and as I said it's a geopolitical project

of the collective West, of the Atlanticists, of the neocons, and all of that. But it is also, to some extent, a geopolitical project that has its own existence now and which is worried that the United States,

that there are people in the United States who are becoming sceptical about the whole process, the way it's now started to conduct itself, specifically over the issue of Ukraine. And we see this even more clearly with NATO because again, the NATO secretary at Stoltenberg and people like this, they're pushing relentlessly

to get Ukraine deeper and deeper, closer and closer into NATO. And it turns out that there are people in the United States who are actually angry about this within the existing administration. They say we're not agreed to this at all, but the bureaucracy in NATO and some of the European members of NATO, just like the EU bureaucracy. And remember, the two bureaucracies, the NATO and EU bureaucracies are in the same city.

They meet, talk with each other all the time. The two bureaucracies and some of the EU states and some of the NATO states are obsessed with this project in part because they want to lock it down in order to create problems for the Americans. Now, of course, as you're absolutely rightly say, at the end of the day, the Americans want to walk away and deal directly with the Russians, and they will, and if the Americans do a deal with the Russians

and say no membership, no NATO membership for Ukraine, and no EU membership for Ukraine either. The EU has no choice. It has no way around that. I mean, they can argue all they like. But it's the Americans and the Russians who would in that case decide. But the Europeans deep down, they know that. But precisely because they fear that that is what might happen.

That is why they're becoming so agitated and by they're prepared to go to these extraordinary lengths to start accession talks with Ukraine now. And to be straight forward, it is accession talks, because we're talking about money. There's still this 50 billion euro fund for Ukraine. Well, that's been kicked off. That's been delayed all the way to January.

That was supposed to be signed off now. I mean, they will eventually pass it, but clearly lots of EU states are not happy about this. And the other thing that apparently there was no agreement or consensus about, and this goes way beyond Hungary now, is about using money from frozen Russian assets. So this is, again, a big push that the EU Commission made, but it seems that over the last couple of hours,

a lot of states said, you know, this is extremely dangerous waters. We're not really sure that this is a good idea at all. And again, apparently that has been put off, and we don't yet know when that decision will be made. by the way, that decision will eventually also be made. Yeah, just, I want to get to that in a bit, but you're right with the whole NATO thing. Congress yesterday approved legislation,

which prevents any president from withdrawing the U.S. from NATO without the approval of the Senate. And this was reported on by the Hill. So, I mean, they're freaking out. Obviously, it's about Trump, but they're freaking out that Trump would come into office and he would pull the U.S. out of NATO, and then the whole thing, the whole bureaucracy just crumbles. So, I mean, they're obsessed with this bureaucracy of this combine of NATO and the EU.

They're absolutely obsessed with it, the globalists, because that's how they wield their power. Correct. Is through these two huge bureaucracies. But, you know, Moldova, Ukraine, eventually Georgia, eventually Bosnia, who pays for all of this? We're not talking about a country the size of Cyprus. We're not talking about 500,000 people or 800, a small, which is, it's still significant to take on an economy. Even a small economy needs a lot of money. Given the state that Europe is in, given the state that Germany is in, which is the country that pretty much bankrolls the entire European Union, who's going to pay for all of this?

Who's going to pay for Ukraine? Who's going to pay for Moldova? Who's going to pay for Georgia? Who's going to pay for Bosnia? Well, not the... This is a catastrophe, and Orban knows it. Oh, Obama knows it. I mean, actually, I mean, you're absolutely correct.

I mean, if Ukraine were admitted in its current form into the EU, I mean, it would break the EU. I mean, the cost of trying to carry this enormous country, which is bankrupt, obliterated, smashed. I mean, it would far exceed the amount of the frozen Russian assets, if I could say so. We're talking about trillions. But, and it wouldn't make any economic sense either because, well, I mean, I don't want to go into the economic geography again, but it would make no economic sense without some kind of deal with Russia, which, anyway. But the point is that the EU leaders are not interested in these issues. This isn't what they are about anymore.

I mean, it's not what Schultz and Habek and... Behrbork are concerned with, it's not what Ursula is concerned, what with the Commission is concerned with. I mean, none of them think about these matters anymore. Because for one thing, they know that when the decision, if the decision to admit Ukraine is ever going to be made, it won't be made by them. We're still talking about a process that's going to take several years. by the time that decision materialises, they'll be gone.

They'll be running something else, you know, the UNHCR or something else. I mean, you know, they will have moved on. And as I said, from their point of view, this is a geopolitical project. They're worried about what the Americans might be doing. They probably do sense that things on the battlefields are not going well anyway.

Ukraine. So that they've set their stall. They're going to make it more as more as difficult as they can for the Americans and especially for the future Trump administration to do a kind of deal, a possible deal with the Russians. And well, if somebody has to pick up the bill, that will be future generations of political leaders. And of course, the distressed and unhappy people of Europe. But since when did they care about them? Yeah, exactly right. When Ursula's appointed the new director of the W.E.F,

when Klaus Schwab hands over the W.E.F. to Ursula and Ukraine has now been, has collapsed or is now part of Russia, is connected to Russia. she's going to say it's not my fault i did my part i expanded the european union i helped out ukraine as much as i could you know it's don't don't put the blame on me that's that's it that's everything right there they've done their part now now they can move on to their next gig absolutely i mean don't exclude at all the possibility by the way that if we see ukraine collapse um some kind of alternative government will be set up in europe okay ukrainian government will be set up in europe and that alternative government, which might have no actual government in exile, which might have no actual government in exile, which might have no actual control in Ukraine itself, might press on with the accession talks.

Just say. And of course, if that government is located in Volf, okay, it will, it'll be useful because that way it will be able to continue to claim control of the. of Ukraine. Yeah. And they'll and they'll be able to funnel and wash all kinds of funds and all kinds of money through. Exactly.

So, you know, don't, don't assume that there's a, I, some time ago, years ago, just as Putin apparently said in his press conference that, you know,

he, if he was able to advise the younger Putin, he'd advise him, don't be naive about Western leaders. It's the same with me, to be honest. Once upon the time, time, I thought that EU leaders especially cared about economics and these issues that we've been

talking about. I now have come to understand that they don't. Yeah, the irony of it all is through their expansion and through this shift in the EU's, let's say the EU's mission statement from an economic union to a geopolitical project. The irony is that it's going to be this expansion and this shift in a mission, which is going to be the ultimate demise of the European Union. It's also doing something else, by the way, which the Europeans may not be, are starting to sense and is making them angry. But of course, the more the rest of the world sees the EU as a geopolitical project, the more hostile to it it becomes. And we see this repeatedly when EU officials and EU diplomats go around the world, where once upon a time there was a lot of goodwill extended to them

now that this goodwill is melting away absolutely I think that's crystal clear people people mock the EU leadership absolutely yeah absolutely and they're not seen as strong either they're actually seen as very weak exactly yeah all right we will end it there the durand dot locals dot com we are on rumble odyssey bitch shoot telegram Rock Finn and Twitter X and go to the Duran Shop.

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