The Duran Podcast - Q & A: World order in disorder

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

Q & A: World order in disorder

All right, Alexander, let's answer the questions from the live stream with Robert Barnes. And let's start off with Death Dealer, who says, if you've seen through the eyes of video, she was reading an article saying that Ukraine will attack Poland and blame it on Russia, very desperate people. Yes, they are becoming increasingly desperate people. They've already done that, of course. I mean, I didn't know that they did it intentionally, but there was that business. of the missile that fell into Poland, which it was subsequently and conclusively established,

was a Ukrainian missile. And of course, they blamed it on Russia. And the Poles were very angry about it. Sanjava says, thank you moderators for keeping the trolls out of Duran conversation and helping our Alex and Alexander. Thank you, Sanjava. Tatiana, thank you for that super sticker. Abdi says, cry for me, Argentina Fragments of USSR, says Alexander in the spirit of the movie Carnival Night. Let me congratulate you on the disaster as a British citizen. It must have

been most reassuring to find out that the epitome of political prowess Lord Hug a Hoodie Cameron is back. Indeed, you're quite right. I mean, you put it, you put it perfectly, actually. I've just been saying, by the way, some of the latest opinion

polling. Now, the conservatives according to this opinion poll, on 21%, 21%, I mean, this is catastrophic figures. Change UK, which, note for the moment, he's not yet led by Nigel Farage, he might be coming back, is already on 10%. And there is, I think, massive scepticism about the Labour Party as well. Their polling figures are much higher. They're in the 40s.

But I don't think there's much enthusiasm or support for them. So that gives you a sense of the dismal state of our politics in Britain. And bringing Buck Cameron, well, we did a whole program about it on the Durand, which I hope you've seen. Tyler Durden says, gentlemen, thanks for all the information. Fragments of USSR says, gentlemen, I recently uploaded a video mentioned in Bankman and Freed, whose successes was due to his mother's connections and political sponsorship of Dems. He maintains his innocence. What are the chances?

What risks for the parents? moves from the GOP. No, I wouldn't thought that they would go after the parents, actually. I don't know what exactly the whole role was, but let's not speculate too far about this kind of thing. Well, I would say is this. A lot of this is now going on. Obviously, with Magnman Fried, I'm, you know,

that's in the United States, but it's a complicated operation that he was carrying out, which was basically, as far as I can see, shell companies and conjuring and the usual, smokes and mirrors. I was rather upset just to learn that something not that dissimilar happened, obviously on a much smaller scale in Britain, involving a law firm, which I once knew well, which is Incinct Company,

which is one of the big maritime law firms, you know, utterly solid, completely reliable. They were taken over by another law firm I'd never even heard of. it turned out that the person who was running that particular law firm, the one that took over in Suncoe, is now being accused, I stress accused, having many of the same kind of things that Batman Fried was doing. So we see that it's becoming quite widespread this kind of thing. The Jackals of Terra Argentum says, as an Argentine expat and the grandson of someone who was in the Peron regime, I think his time was a disaster. He basically normalized the welfare state and laid the

foundations for its latter woes. Well, you may be right. I mean, I'm not an expert or, you know, somebody who is hugely familiar about Argentine politics and Argentine economics. I would simply say this. He may have done many things in the 40s and 50s, but that was a long time. go now. And the fact that, you know, Argentina hasn't been able to sort itself out since then suggests to me that there is some deep structural problem going on in Argentina, which I don't pretend I fully understand. For the record, by the way, since we did the program with Robert, it's become increasingly clear to me that Millet is not going to be quite a radical break that we all expected. Apparently, he's now going to retreat on his pledge to

completely dollarize the economy. He's meeting with Marizio Macri, the former president. Markre is picking most of the ministers so far as I can see in Millais government. It looks to me more of the same, which I have to say I'm surprised and a little disappointed about, disappointed because I did think that it would be some kind of change, but there it is. Red Viking says, how come many Liptards love the Ukraine war, but not the Gaza war? The massive demonstrations was not seen

against the proxy war against Russia. Well, that's exactly true. There's a straightforward reason for this, actually. It's not very complicated to understand, which is that Russia is the enemy of the liberals. I mean, you know, represents, you know, traditional values, Christianity, all kinds of other things.

things, masculinity, all these kind of things. We won't go into too many details, but that's their perspective. And of course, the Palestinian cause is a very fashionable one amongst the same kind of people and has been for a long time. And if you want to understand why, and by the way, this isn't about the Palestinians, any comment about them. I mean, it's just a simple comment now about liberals. But if you want to understand why they like the Palestinian cause, think about the way they embraced BLM and all that represented. Sanjava says, this is one of two, actually, so let's start. Sorry, Alexander, for once I disagreed with your analysis in regards to the outcome of Islamic Conference. I think the corruption and ineptness existing in most of these countries

wasn't taken into account. Most of these governments propped up by the USA too, their children live in the West too. I think the most recent conference followed this pattern to pander to popular anger, unlikely for the conference to follow through. I don't agree with this, but I mean, we'll just have to see which one of this is correct. I mean, I've made my own feelings about this very clear. I think that on the contrary, it has been a much more sophisticated and clear-headed approach by the Islamic conference than one we've seen up to now. And I think it is having an effect. My own view is that the Biden administration is in a corner and they know it and they don't really have an answer to it. Tish M says, question, Robert, if the Constitution is the only way to save the

U.S., then why isn't it? I'd say that a military coup may be the only answer, FYI, not a vote harder fan. Now, I am not in favor of military coups. I experienced one in Greece when I was a child, and it completely upturned my life, and it did massive damage to people in my family, and it did massive damage to all kinds of people that I know and knew, and I think that we're still paying the price of it to this day. There was a political crisis in Greece before the coup, but the coup was no kind of solution to it. And I feel exactly the same way about the United States. Now, why is the Constitution not delivering?

The reason it's not delivering is because the Constitution is being sabotaged. The mechanisms of the Constitution are no longer functioning. But the way to respond to that, or so it seems to me, is to uphold the Constitution to point out the fact that the mechanisms are not, functioning and to organize and protest politically and mobilize Americans to defend it. And a military coup doesn't defend the Constitution. It completely upends and destroys it. Anas Belat Shehab says Argentina was a great power long ago because it did not need to industrialize.

Today, the landowners and the industrial sector still disagree about policy. No magic power move will fix that division. I am not, again, I want to stress this, I am not an expert on Argentina's economic history or its political history or those kind of things. So I don't want to get too deeply into these issues. What I am going to say about this is I think Argentina did have, actually, and perhaps to some extent still does have,

a significant industrial sector. my own sense is there are a lot of Argentina's problems is not that there's

a massive welfare system which somebody pointed out before I suspect the real problem

is that there is a propensity on the part of some people in Argentina including the

big business interests to load up with debt whenever they can and I think that this

has been what has been undermining Argentina and I'm a little worried now I mean I may be wrong here that what we're going to see with Millet and the kind of changes that he's going to bring in if he really does bring them in is that they're going to be another opportunity for the same people in Argentina who've loaded up with debt in the past to do it all over again so that you get this recurring pattern of debt

crises and defaults and inflationary incidents which have scarred Argentina and its history well throughout my lifetime. Eric Hatchet, thank you for that super chat. The Jackals of Terra Argentum says people who are shocked Caribbean people support Trump make me laugh. Protectionism is a core tenet of island politics. AI Gonzalez says, is more likely Trump or Zelensky being taken out by Western Intel Services. Great show.

I don't, I would have thought at the moment, Zelensky's position in Kiev is hanging by a thread. If you're talking about, you know, the kind of direct action that I think you're talking about, I don't want to talk about these things in too much detail because I feel sometimes the talking about them makes it more likely in some. kind of way to bring them about. But I would say this, the political situation in Kiev, the political culture in Kiev, is much more violent and dangerous than the one in the United States. And in fact, there is no comparison. Anion Kalerisian says, thanks guys for all your news and analysis. Thank you for that. Fragments of the USSR says Trump, the horseman of the apocalypse approaches.

I thought Deep State handled him well during his four years. Why are they worried? Well, good question. They do see it. I mean, I've been reading article after article. The British media, by the way, on this, is going absolutely start-raising mad. And the locus of this madness, in my opinion, is the Financial Times.

I mean, they really are talking about Trump as, you know, the fifth horseman of the apocalypse who's, you know, galloping towards us. Partly, I think, the reason is that, you know, they understand that Donald Trump this time, if he becomes president, has all the experience of being president before. He's got a much better understanding of the political system that he did then. I think the other thing that they are worried about is that apparently he's putting together a much more formidable team this time than he did previously. So, I mean, I think there are those things. But I think also one of the reasons is that they are very frightened

that they are on the brink of becoming discredited themselves that if Trump wins the election this time the entire caravan you know the Clinton Biden liberal caravan will have once and for all followed fallen off a cliff and there might not be

an examination, there might not be a comeback, or at least not in the same sense, because people will be so angry and disgusted with them, and that there might this time be a proper accounting. Now, whether or any of that's going to happen is another matter. But remember, if you've been doing all kinds of strange things in the background, you're always worried, you're always feel insecure. So the sight of somebody who might, you know, change that, bring you to account, it's always going to make you very, very frightened and very nervous.

And that makes you, by the way, also very dangerous. Anand Kalerician, thank you for that super sticker. Salila, thank you for that super sticker. The Jackals of Terra Argentin says as a general rule, bureaucrats are bureaucrats because they're incapable of surviving outside of mediocrity. So always vote against their interests for the health of your republic, Argentine. you're saying, you are very profoundly right, having worked close to, close to, well, within bureaucracies, state bureaucracies, and by the way, private bureaucracies as well. My father

used to, who had to deal with bureaucracies in the EU, he was constantly having to go to the EU, and to in Greece and in other places, and even in the United States, he used to refer to the, to, um, as the apsychoterras, this soulless monster. It's very difficult to convey the force of that in English, by the way. But you're quite absolutely correct. I mean, the people who succeed in bureaucracies are those who are most skilled at bureaucratic infighting. And as a grizzled veteran of all of that, I can tell you it is exhausting. and completely demoralizing if your inclinations are not in that direction.

Pasha Moyer says Italy failed its populist uprising. Argentina may be succeeded. Jury is still out on the U.S. Who may be next to give it a serious try? I have to say straightforwardly, I'm beginning to wonder how populist, how actually populist the government in Argentina, the new government,

is in fact going to be, it seems to me that a lot of what we saw in Italy is now playing out in Argentina too. Just saying, I mean, the jury is out and maybe things will change, but for the moment, it does look to me like more of the same. This is something that's become more clear since we did the program with Robert. Now, what's going to happen in the United States? That is the important one.

that's the one which ultimately matters I'm going to say this I think the insurgency the populist movements there are much deeper the far more sophisticated they're far stronger in some ways than you find in other places

whether they will be allowed to succeed or able to succeed or not that is a question I find impossible to answer this time the jackals of Terra Argentine says La Plata has been the heart of peronism in Argentina since the 1970s, but it apparently went for Malay,

massive coup on his part. Oh, absolutely, no question, yes. But is he going to do all the things that he said he was going to do? As I said, I understand that Marquis, who was the president before, you know, the current president, well, he was the conservative president who was then defeated by the peronists.

But anyway, his popularity is apparently down to single figures, and yet he's the person whom it seems to me Millay is turning to. And that would La Plata have voted overwhelmingly for Milley? Have they known in advance that that was what Millie was going to do? Contact, pick up the phone and start having meetings with Mercury. I wonder. Tree Three Clymer says, L.L. got pallets of bricks. J6 go to jail. If Donald J. Trump called in the National Guard,

he'd been arrested for an insurrection on J6. Yeah. I'm three with you, actually, basically. Torsten Mewch, thank you for that super sticker. Divine insurgents said, do you have live streams anywhere else? Maybe Odyssey. I'm getting sick of all the adverts on Y.T. Yes, We are on Odyssey with live streams and Rumble as well. Elsa says it looks like today democracy is the biggest threat to democracies in the West. That's beautifully put, yes. I mean, of course, you're going to distinguish between democracy and our democracy, as certain people in the Democratic Party and in Britain and in Germany refer to it.

Our democracy is not quite the same thing. as what you and I think of when we talk about democracy. Abdi Yamachati says, if you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize Voltaire. Absolutely true. That is so correct. Tree Three Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three, Three Three Three Three Three Three, dollars. No, certainly, well, it's a loose change. I mean, you know, you can't expect them to keep an accurate.

a record of such tiny amounts of money. Just saying. Mark Bum Gardner says, thank you gentlemen. Tatiana Carmichael, thank you for that super sticker. Controlled Demolition says, I got the same shirt as Alexander on. Thank you, Duran, for your example of excellence. OMG Puppies says, have you all commented on events in Spain, the so-called socialist coup?

Well, yes, we have. I mean, we did it extensively in our live stream. And it's still playing out, by the way. is a great deal of anger in Spain about this. And all the usual people are defending Sanchez. But I wonder whether this government is going to survive very long, actually. J.H. Scott 6. Thank you for that super sticker. Joanna, thank you for a super sticker.

Life of Brian says there's no advantage to Trump going all in for Israel after the death of Adelson. Trump's whole advantage is that he isn't a Republican. Well, we will see what Trump does. I mean, I think Trump, as a human being, as a individual, has very, very strong sympathies for Israel. And, you know, don't just think that it was purely political calculations that decided him to take the line that he did. So, I mean, I've seen photos, for example, of his office in Trump Tower.

And, you know, there's the, was it the Minora, the candle with the, the candle, which is a representative. version of the one that was there in the temple. It is there. And of course, he has a Jewish son-in-law. I think this is a very strongly philosemitic, pro-Israel, individual, viscerally. Mark 2112 says U.S. presidential elections will be postponed temporarily, kind of like the Patriot Act was temporary. I'm not sure how that is possible, legally and constitutionally speaking. Bear in mind that you United States has always had elections even in war time. Just saying. Kapuchan's channel says you are confusing liberals with leftists.

I, well, interesting point actually. I mean, to be honest, liberals and leftists are so completely different today from liberals and leftists that I remember once upon a time. That I'm struggling and I'm struggling to keep up with these labels nowadays and what they Maine. Natalie Joe says Barnes is a modern time philosopher on par with Socrates and Leto. Oh. Very nice compliment. Jeff Rock says, you've both said you disagree with Colonel McGregor's thoughts on Turkey,

but to me he sounds like he's talking after hearing intel from people in positions to know. Curious if you all could explore this a bit and whether you see any possible series of events that would make Erdogan enter the ring. against Israel. I'm going to reiterate of you. I mean, this isn't, we don't obviously have secret intelligence, and maybe he does, but, you know, secret intelligence is often wrong. I mean, at the time of the Iraq war, the run-up to the Iraq war in 2003, I went out and said to everybody that I knew that there were no W-N-D in Iraq. The intel people were saying the opposite. By the way, that's on public

record that I was saying that. The intelligence community was saying the opposite. They were saying they were. There was. And I was right and they are wrong. So don't just assume that because, you know, Douglas McGregor may be told all of these things by his friends in the intel world. That is indeed what's happening. That they are right. Alex and I have been observing other one for, well, ever since he appeared as a political leader. In Alex's case, he has to. Because Cyprus is so directly affected by what Turkey does. Remember, there are Turkish troops in Cyprus now within a few, you know, within about an hour's drive

from where Alex lives and works. So we have to follow Erdogan, and I can tell you straight away, everything that he's saying is absolute windbag and bluster. He is never going to go to war with Israel. Yeah. Yeah, we're also just repeating a lot of what the Greek media is reporting and the Greek media has a good feel as to what's happening in Turkey. Yeah. Dred Robert says, can Russia afford to leave Ukraine at all? Won't it end up as their

Gaza West Bank if they do? Why leave a never-ending problem if the West has greenlit fighting to the last Ukrainian? Well, that's a very good question. My own view is that the trend of Russian thinking about Ukraine is steadily hardening. Back in March of last year, Putin was prepared to do a deal. With every month this war has continued, the terms of that deal are going to become harder. And before long, I'd not convinced that the Russians will be interested in doing a deal any longer at all. They will just come in and say like this is what the arrangements are going to be. This is the kind of decisions we're going to make. And, you know, you can all lump it. And we're going to take the necessary steps to protect our Western borders, which is what

this is all about. G-Dog 2K2 says, love the cap, Robert. Good taste. And the final question from Jorge Ruiz says, I'm for the Palestinian people overall. There needs to be a ceasefire. and the two-state solution ASAP. Great conversation with the Duran and Barnes. Thank you very much. I think you will probably get your ceasefire. It's going to come in. We've been saying this in the Duran for ages.

It's not going to come simply and in one place, but we've already had a seven-day ceasefire. Now the fighting has resumed. There's more criticism, more opposition. Lloyd Austin has been saying things. Blinken has been saying things. Sooner or later, there's going to be an order. out ceasefire. And John Bolton is furious about it, which is a good sign, I think, given the kind of

context that he has, that a ceasefire is eventually coming. All right. We will leave it there. Thank you, everybody. Take care.