The Duran Podcast - Russia issues ultimatum to Ukraine, extradite terrorists

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Russia issues ultimatum to Ukraine, extradite terrorists

All right, Alexander, let's talk about the ultimatum issued by the Russian foreign ministry. From what I understand, they issued this ultimatum to Ukraine via Belarus. And basically what the Russian foreign ministry is telling Ukraine is that they want the terrorists, the suspected terrorists, extradited to Russia. No names have been given, but except for one. One name has been revealed, and that is of the SBU head, Vasili Imaluk, who has been very low profile over the two years of this conflict. For some reason, last week, I don't know why, but for some reason this guy decided to not be so low profile and to start to talk about all of the operations that have been taking place against Russia, against the Kerch Bridge. hinting at the fact that he was, his SBAU office was behind these operations.

I don't think he came out explicitly and said the SBAU was conducting terrorist operations in Russia or was behind the attacks on Kirchbridge. But his statement almost revealed that it was the SBA. I mean, it was obvious that he wanted to take credit for these operations. I don't know why he decided to come out with these statements. at this time, given that you just had the terrorist attack in Moscow. But anyway, we have one name that the Russians want extradited to Russia. We have other people that they're asking for to be extradited to Russia.

Ukraine is obviously going to ignore this. And we predicted this, actually. You said in a video last week that this is exactly the process that Russia will take in this investigation. So here we are. We have the first warning to Ukraine extradite these people. Exactly. This is the first warning because it must be made clear that we are going to have a lot more of them.

And the Russians, what they're basically saying in this statement is, look, it's not any longer controversial that Ukraine has carried out terrorist activities in Russia. They've admitted it. their own chief of, they're an SBU person has admitted it. So given that that is so, given that this is indisputably true, we have this admission from the Ukrainians, from the head of the SBU, Mr. Malyuk, well, the only correct and proper thing to do is to hand him over and all of the other people who were connected to this.

And we've got all the relevant treaties and international law enactments. which require the handing over of terrorists. And the statement from the foreign ministry, the Russian foreign ministry, says that every country in the world is duty bound to assist in the fight against terrorism. And that, of course, must include Ukraine. But by implication, it also includes Ukraine's Western sponsors.

And that, I think, is, as I said, It's not as openly stated message, but if you think carefully, as you read the statement, you can see that. And we can probably start to see messages also coming before long to Washington, London, Brussels, Berlin, asking, you know, we need these people. Providers with information, please. We need to have them. We need to arrest them. We need to have them brought to Russia to be put to trial there. So this is not yet, and now this is an important thing to say,

it's not yet specifically about Crocus City Hall or the attack on Crocus City Hall. But it is clearly connected to it. It is clearly preparing the ground for the next, for, you know, annexing a series of similar demands. And sooner or later, I'm confident. given the, you know, what we're hearing from Moscow, they will link, they will, they will include people they say are responsible for the Crocos City Hall attack in these demands. And of course, if the demands are not met, then as I said in that video clip that you mentioned,

there are, there are historic precedents, the United States set one, over Osama bin Laden, for example. There are precedents whereby a country that has been the target of terrorist violence can say, look, if you do not hand this person over, this active terrorist who is engaging in terrorist acts against our country, if you do not hand it over, then that, as far as we're concerned, constitutes an active war by you, and we will take military action in order to bring these terrorists to account. And, you know, so we are heading towards a major escalation, and the Russians have taken the first big step in that direction.

Yeah, but what does that mean exactly? I mean, the United States, for example, they're going to say that this is Russian disinformation. Don't believe anything to anything the Russians say, the Europeans, the UK, all going to say this line. They're going to say they're going to be like, okay, well, you know, Russia doesn't have the evidence or Ukraine has nothing to do with this. Russia is just trying to find an excuse to attack Ukraine. There already is. There already is a conflict. There already is a war. So, so what is this step? What is this action actually accomplish?

I mean, Russia, will Russia declare war on Ukraine? Is that, is that possible? Very good question. Let's take a few steps back because we're not there yet. Now, you're absolutely correct. Whatever the Russians say about Crocus City Hall, whatever evidence they produce, the West will say that it isn't evidence that it's either fabricated or that is meaningless, that Ukraine is totally innocent of this attack, that it is ISIS or ISIS K, and that that's the full, complete and total end of the story. That is what they will say. But the Russians have been really careful to say that Fokker City Hall is only the last in a series of big terrorist attacks. And they've listed some of them. They mentioned Dalia Dugina. They mentioned Tatski. They mentioned the Crimean Bridge. And of course we now have this utterly idiotic incredibly stupid admission from Maliuk that yes it was indeed the Ukrainians

who carried them out. Now the Russians can say this is terrorism they can also point to that article that appeared a few weeks ago in the New York Times which basically tells us the same thing. That article by the way implicates Budanov who is the head of the military intelligence agency These are not acceptable acts by the Ukrainian government attacks like this on civilians, on Russian territory. They point out that the attack on the Kerch Bridge, the explosion there killed civilians, which it did. So if the Americans come back and say, you know, there's nothing here. Proker City Hall, entirely ISIS or ISIS gay, the Russians can say, well, what are you saying about all of these other attacks?

And if it goes, for example, to the UN Security Council, the Russians cannot say that to the other countries there in the UN. They say, look, the Americans say Ukraine is not involved in terrorism. But they clearly work because we have admissions to that effect in the American media. we got an admission to that effect from the head of Ukraine's biggest intelligence and counterintelligence agency. So given that this is so, we are fully within our rights to demand the extradition to our country of these people. Now, there isn't any real counter to this because of what births the Americans who've tried to distance themselves from what the Ukrainians have been doing

and what Malik himself has done. Now, why Maluk did that, going back to your earlier question, is really very mysterious. It does beg a lot of questions. Did he do it because he's jealous of the attention Buddanov has been guessing? That's one possibility.

Could it be that he did it because he's trying to implicate Buddanov? He's saying, look, he's in effect saying, Yeah, we did it. We Ukraine did that. And of course, he knows that it's Budanov who did this. And he's basically setting up Budanov in some way. That's another possibility. Is it that he's jealous of Budanov? He wants to say, look, Budanov is taking all the credit. But it's we, the SBU, who have done the really, you know, the really tough, hard things. It was we who planted the bomb on the Kerch Bridge. It was we who killed Tatarski. and Dugina and all of the others. Or is he frightened? Is just the action of a desperate and scared man? Croker City Hall had just happened.

I don't remember now whether the Sircon missile strike on the SBU building happened before or after Malew spoke that already it was clear that the Russians were coming after him and others. Was he frightened and scared? and was this the panic-stricken, ill-thought-out response of a frightened man? I don't know, but whatever it was, it's achieved exactly what the Russians need. It's implicated Ukraine directly in terrorism. I mean, you can't argue with the words of the head of Ukraine's biggest and most important intelligence and counterintelligence agency. Now, how does this affect the war? Well, it can affect the

war because at the moment the Russians are still conducting it as a special military operation. Putin spoke recently about how the war is basically about defending Russian citizens in Russian, on Russian territory. But if, for example, you want to go deeper into Ukraine, if you want to to cross the NEPA, take Kiev, advance further west. You now have the legal justification for doing that. You could say Ukraine is hosting terrorists. In fact, it has terrorists within its own government, and that gives us the perfect right to go after these terrorists wherever they are. Remember Putin's famous words right back after he was appointed acting prime minister by Boris Yeltsin in 1999, that we'll go, we'll hunt the terrorists wherever they are. If they hide in a water closet,

we'll go after them there. We will go wherever they go, wherever they hide, we will chase them and track them down. That's what they can now say. So until we get these people, and then we get Badanov and Maluk and all of the others, we have no reason now to stop. That is our right. It's a right under international law. We are defending ourselves. And that's, I think, where the ultimatums will come. And I think that if Russia does do that, if we get to that point, Russia doesn't have to fear any type of pushback from bricks or any of the other countries of the global south, because they'll say, yeah, Russia's well within their rights. created the case, they presented the case that there are terrorists in Ukraine, Russia as well

within their rights to go after them. However, they see fit. Where in the past, if Russia was going to go after these high-level officials, perhaps China or India, would be like just slow down. Don't send a Zircon into the SBU headquarters. Don't go after these high-level officials or these high-level government administrators. Or sent... Going a little too far. Or sent troops across the NEPA, taking Kiev, advancing to Lviv, doing all those kinds of things.

But, you know, Modi, who hates terrorism, for obvious reasons, India is a major target of terrorism. You should have a lot more understanding and sympathy with what Putin is doing. If Putin can come along and tell him, convincingly, look, Ukrainians are quite openly talking about the fact that they're committing terrorism against us. What are we supposed to do? Simply sit, stand back and let it happen. We've asked the Ukrainians to hand over these people. We know who they are. Now, instead of handing them over, they're protecting them. And that gives us the right to go after them. Bear in mind,

the point I always make that sending an armed man across a country's border is a classic act of war. Going all the, you know, it's been established as an act of war since forever. So Putin has just been given very, very powerful legal rights if he wants to exercise them, which you will, by the way. And otherwise, he wouldn't have gone down the route that you'd. he's now going. And of course, Croker City Hall is coming. What we've just seen is just the opening. Yeah, they're building the case. They're making the case. No doubt about it. Yeah. In the methodical way that they always do. Yeah, there could be another, another reason why Mal Yuc,

because it's really interesting that the guy decided to speak at the time. He did decide to speak. He's been quiet for two years. Another reason that maybe he came out and said that, things that he said is because he believes that the collective West is going to reward him, protect him and reward him. So maybe his thing was, you know, if I come out and say these things, then I'm going to fall under the protection of the United States, which is a common thought that a lot of the Ukrainian officials have. A lot of the European officials as well, they all have this belief that the United States

will protect them and save them from anything that comes their way. And I think in this instance, at least with the Ukrainian officials, I don't think there's much that the U.S. could do if Russia starts to go after them. Well, absolutely. But I think there might also be an element of blackmail here in the sense that Malik might be saying to his friends in the West and his friends in Washington, look, we did, you know, it's well known that we did all of these things. If the Russians come after me and come after others of my friends and buddies in Ukraine who were involved in these dark things, well, we know what role you had.

And we're not going to simply take the rap by ourselves. We'll implicate you as well. So just, just bet that in mind because certainly some Western countries have been neck deep and an awful lot of what Ukraine has been up to. We saw that with the New York Times article. a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that's why if you're the Biden White House, just a final thought,

that's why if you're the Biden White House, you, you, you, you, this is, to me, this is another opportunity for Sullivan and Blinken to get, to get an exit out of Ukraine. Well, they're not going to do it, though, but I agree. It really is. It's another way for them to say, you know, we warned them many times, and to be the New York Times articles and the Washington Post articles do say that the three-letter agencies in the United States did tell the Ukraine intel services not to not to organize operations inside of Russia. The articles do say that. This is a way for Sullivan and blinking to say, you know, there's nothing we can do with Ukraine anymore. They've gone rogue. you've gone rogue and we had nothing to do with anything.

There's not much more we can do. It's time to drop this thing. I mean, maybe, maybe there is that, that possibility if they play their cards. Right, but they won't do it. They won't do it, but, you know, there is an off-ramp here for them. Absolutely, if they wanted to do it, if they wanted to do it, but it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen under this administration. They're too invested in this project to pull away.

They're obsessed by it and they won't let it go. And the president himself is obsessive about this issue. So he won't let it go either. All right. Anything else with this story? We'll wrap it up. It's an interesting story. But it is again a good example of the very legalistic and careful way in which the Russians approach these things.

And the thing to understand, one thing to say about the Russians is that their foreign ministry does appear to have a very, very powerful legal team working for them. I mean, you know, they think very hard in this way. And of course, they've got the legal law on their side. Sometimes I have to say the Russians, especially the foreign ministry, does remind me, you know, a sort of very, very big law firm. which knows how to sort of maneuver around and work positions so that it's able to attach to particular laws and statutes and things of that kind in order to advance its objectives. And that's what we see. It's, again, very methodical, very carefully constructed and thought out.

There's clearly been a lot of, you know, discussion. and talking through of this in Moscow. This does not look like an improvised statement at all. And it's something which Western foreign ministries, of course, are hopeless that nowadays. Yeah, it also highlights how it was very stupid for the Biden White House to come out right away and talk about ISIS-K and Ukraine had nothing to do with this.

I thought it was just a dumb, dumb comment. It was absolutely. stupid. I completely agree. I mean, as you rightly said, what they should have done is offer their massive condolences and offer cooperation. Just keep quiet about who you think did it or how it happened. Just keep quiet. They always have this need to talk, to give up more information than necessary. You see it in Maluk's case, you saw it in the Biden White House's case. They just can't shut up, which is the exact opposite. You saw it in the counteroffensive, the Great Spring counteroffensive. It's the exact opposite of how Russia operates, how the collective

west operates, and Ukraine is the exact opposite of how Russia operates, where they keep everything quiet. This is completely true. I mean, you know, if you are, if you were, if you have a lawyer, the thing you, in any kind of action, civil as well as criminal, the thing you tell your client is keep your mouth shut. Don't say more than you absolutely have to. Don't limit us, maintain the strongest discipline on what you say. Because Western leaders just aren't like that at all anymore. I mean, they open their mouths and everything comes pouring out

So the Russians know all the plans in advance. They know all the schemes in advance. And that alerts them and prepares them for whatever it is that the West and Ukraine are going to do. Yeah, exactly right. Right away, the Russians understood exactly how the U.S. was going to play this, how the Biden fighthouse was going to play this terrorist attack. They're going to ISIS-K, okay. And Ukraine had nothing to do with this.

it. They revealed their cards right away, which is, just doesn't make any sense. Why they feel like they have to divulge all this information right up front? Well, you know, partly, I mean, partly it's nerves. I mean, they were clearly rattled by what happened. In Moscow, they probably worried that there's, you know, they probably at some level do worry that the Ukrainians were involved in some level. their nerves reflect, their insecurities came out in the statements that they made. But also, of course, they can't resist the temptation to show how clever they are and to try to put it in a spot. And it always works against them in the end.

I agree with you, but, okay, they have their nerves. They're panicking. Maybe, you know, they're probably sitting there saying, my God, maybe the Ukrainians had something, Ukrainians had something to do with this. But, I mean, you've got to imagine that the Biden White House has dozens, if not hundreds of lawyers on staff to tell them, slow down, don't say anything. Let's contact Kiev. Let's contact the CIA and the FBI. Let's contact everybody and let's see what's going on. I mean, you know, let's wait 24 hours.

Let's wait 48 hours. Let's wait to see what the Russians say. I mean, they came out with a statement within a couple of hours, which to me shows that the people that are running the White House probably didn't seek any type of proper consultation on anything. Within less than an hour, in fact. I mean, they did it almost at once. And no, they didn't seek advice because, of course, they never seek advice. They never go to experts. You're absolutely right, by the way. I mean, whatever we may say about the state of the legal system in the United States, the United States has some of the best, most intelligent, most effective trial attorney's litigation,

is in the world. I mean, it absolutely does. I mean, I've met some of these people. Robert Barnes is one of those people. Jonathan Turley is one of those people. Dershowitz is one of those people. But, I mean, not just them, but, you know, go to all the big law firms in New York and L.A. in San Francisco, you'll find people who would give you absolutely the correct advice. But no, you know, you don't seek advice. You don't bother. You don't really good. go to the proper military people, you don't seek advice of the real economic specialists. By the way, the European banks are now coming forward and trying to get people to understand. Don't even touch the interests of the frozen assets that are held in Euroclear.

This is a terrible idea. It could involve us in future litigation one day. But, you know, you don't consult people because experts, Well, what do you need experts for? You are Jake Sullivan, you are a genius. You know exactly how you can succeed. So you don't need advice and experts. You know the answers already, and you know that whatever you do is going to turn out brilliantly well,

which, of course, it never does. We control the media, they say. We control the media, and the media can create the reality. Absolutely. Yeah. It's weakened them. It's weakened the way they think, the fact that they control the media. They have so much power over the media.

It's weakened them in a big way. Correct. All right. We will leave it there. The durand.orgals.com. We are on Rumble, Odyssey, pitch, shoot, telegram, rock fan, and TwitterX and go to the Duran shop and pick up some limited edition merch. Link is in the description box down below. Take care.