The Duran Podcast - Searching for a Rishi Sunak exit
Episode Date: March 25, 2024Searching for a Rishi Sunak exit ...
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All right, Alexander, let's talk about the state of things in the UK.
The rumor is that the conservatives are trying to figure out a way to be rid of Rishi Sunak.
True or not true, the polling numbers look abysmal for the...
It is true, and I mean, it's disturbing also that it's now reached the American media.
I mean, Bloomberg is carrying this story, but it's absolutely...
I'm sure it is true.
There has never been a point in the history of the British Conservative Party
when it is polling so badly.
The latest opinion polls put it around 20%.
Kirstama's party, by the way, is about 43%.
So that's a 23% gap.
There are real fears that when the election comes,
which will probably be towards the end of this year,
or just conceivably at the start of next year,
we will see a conservative implosion
that the Conservatives will have fewer than 100 seats
coming out of the election,
which is unprecedented for this party.
It has never happened at any point in British history
since the Conservative Party emerged
and the Conservative Party
has a continuous history
going back to the late 17th century.
So that gives you a sense
of how critical and bad the situation is.
And one also gets the sense
for Sunak himself,
though he is still in name prime minister,
he is no longer exercising the functions
of prime minister
to any real
effect. He gives orders, he makes decisions, and those orders and decisions that he makes are just ignored,
and that everything else just carries on, slowly falling apart around him. What has crystallised
this feeling that Sunak is taking, leading the Conservatives to total collapse, is the last
budget that the government published last week.
That was expected to be the budget that was going to transform the mood in Britain.
It was expected that it would announce big tax cuts, which the Conservatives were hoping for,
which they thought would increase the government's popularity.
The budget came.
it did announce some tax cuts,
the British electorate were completely unimpressed,
and the government's popularity continued to fall.
And on top of all of that,
the Conservative Party has got into a major mess
over the certain comments
that the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party,
a man called Lee Anderson, made,
which some people,
thought made too many criticisms of Muslim people. I have to be very careful what I say here.
Anyway, he was sat from his position. He's now defected to change UK. And that also has said
accelerated the sense of decay within the party and has apparently angered a lot of working class
voters in some of the Red Wall former Labour seats who, who,
had back the Conservatives in 2019 because they trusted the Conservatives to deliver Brexit.
So the whole thing looks terrible. By the way, the economic situation in Britain looks very bad.
Economy now probably in recession, after a decade and a half of stagnation, productivity is falling and has been
falling now. For a long time, government debt has been rising and the tax burden in Britain
is the highest it's been since 1948. In other words, since the period directly after the Second World War
when the British had to pay back all the costs that they'd incurred during the Second World War.
So, terrible situation and a collapsing government.
Yeah, I think they kept Sue neck in there too long. He had that meltdown last
week over Galloway, that looked really bad. But I mean, I think they kept the guy in in office
just way too long. I mean, it was obvious that he wasn't cut for the job of prime minister.
Not that Boris Johnson or trust or anyone like that was any better. But the conservatives,
they should have gotten rid of him a long time ago. Maybe they didn't have anybody, though,
to replace him. I don't know. Well, they do. And the talk is bringing Boris Johnson.
back. It sounds astonishing, but that's the idea. Now, bear in mind, there are reasons why they
haven't moved against Sunak. And one is that, of course, Sunak is the third prime minister
that they'd had over the course of this parliament. Firstly, we have Johnson, then we had
Liz Truss for a few weeks, then we have Sunac, getting rid of Sunac and bringing back
Johnson would look, I mean, it would look ridiculous. But of course, some people are saying,
within the Conservative Party.
Ridiculous as it might look,
you're still bringing back into Downing Street
a successful electoral campaigner,
somebody with a big personality.
It can't be worse than clinging on to Sunac.
I'm going to pushback, however.
I agree with you that in party political terms,
the Sunak
Premiership has been a
complete disaster
for the Conservative Party
as a governing party
it has been a disaster
arguably for Britain
it has been a disaster
but if we go back
to the days after
list trusses
fall
if you remember at the time
I said that this is all part of
this is all the result of a plot
I said that LIS Trust was shunted aside, that the establishment bringing their own people back in,
that Sunak himself was absolutely, you know, part of the globalist European network.
And he was brought in basically to shift Britain back in that direction.
from the perspective of the people who did all of this,
assuming, of course, that my analysis is correct,
which I've no doubt it is, by them.
What they've got from Sunak what they wanted.
I mean, their allegiance is not specifically to the Conservative Party.
What they want, and have always wanted, is to see this dangerous Brexit,
nationalist current in Britain defeated and Britain brought back into globalist, into the globalist
mainstream, if you wish. Sunak was an obvious person to do that. And from their point of view,
and again, I made this point at the time, the person they've always really wanted was not Sunac,
it was Kirstama, and they're going to get him. Because as they're, as they, they're going to get him. Because as
conservatives implodes. Stama, Labor, not especially popular amongst people in Britain. Every single
survey says this, but by default, they're going to win, and they're going to win big. So we're
going to have Kirstama, unlikable to many people in Britain, but Prime Minister of a Labour government,
with a huge majority, able to take Britain even further in a globalist direction,
able to pull it back into the EU system.
There's already articles now starting to appear in the Financial Times,
which are essentially saying that.
And you can argue that they have got exactly what...
intended and that for them, Sunak has actually delivered.
You get rid of the conservatives?
Well, what does it matter?
At least in the short to medium term.
A win for the globalists.
Absolutely.
And, you know, a big win for the globe.
A big win for the globalists now that I'm thinking about everything.
Yeah, it seems like they almost played everybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I think they have.
And by the way, I mean, I,
I mean, this is only a, you know, minor aspect of this.
But the way in which Parliament is now being managed should in itself alert people to what is going on.
Now, you remember during the Brexit wall, we have this extraordinary speaker, John Burko,
who was clearly a fervid remainder.
He was bending procedure all the time.
to make as much trouble for Johnson's government,
which is trying to get Brexit done,
as much trouble for them as possible,
and was allowing all kinds of weird and wonderful motions
to be brought by Romana MPs,
trying to disrupt the government's programme.
Well, Burko had to stand down,
and the man who took over from him
was a man called Lindsay Horace.
And a lot of people expected that Lindsay Hoy would start to write the ship, that he would not be a openly political speaker as Burko had been.
But over the last two weeks or so, things have changed.
Now, there were, there had been two events which had been really very telling.
The first one was over a vote about a ceasefire in Gaza.
And this happened on a day when, by convention,
the party that is allowed to propose the motions to the House of Commons
is one of the opposition parties, in this case the Scottish Nationalist Party.
And they proposed a motion that called for an immediate and complete ceasefire.
in Gaza. Stama
didn't want that
motion to go forward because
he knows that many of his MPs would support
it and it's embarrassing
for him but he doesn't want to break
with the British establishment
over Middle East policy.
He's very close to that of the government.
So he spoke with the Speaker
and the Speaker instead of
proposing
the Scottish Nationalist Party's
amendment instead proposed a much
watered down, Labor amendment. And the Scottish, the SMP amendment, wasn't debated at all.
Now, that is unprecedented. And the clerks of the House of Commons were furious about,
this is the bureaucracy there. And the speaker actually was forced to apologize. But the point is
there was a debate on the Labor amendment, not the S&P one.
There was no rebellion against Stama, therefore,
because all the Labour MPs supported their own party's amendment.
And Stama got what he wanted and escaped trouble.
And that was already, you know, that was a big event in parliamentary terms.
It sounds complicated, but it shows that the Speaker is now,
assisting Stama. He did that again last week. We had another debate last week,
actually not last, sorry, earlier this week. This was about certain comments made by a donor,
financial donor to the, of the Conservative Party. He made some very critical comments against
a black London MP called Diane Abbott. Now, Diane Abbott is a close friend of Jeremy Corbyn.
Stama has basically booted her out of the parliamentary Labour Party.
He's aiming to prevent her from standing again as a Labour candidate in the forthcoming election.
But anyway, there was an outcry because this donor said these things about Diane Abbott.
There was a debate in the House of Commons to criticise this donor.
It was proposed by the Labour Party.
And Diane Abbott was there.
She stood up 37 times, apparently, asking for permission to speak in this debate, which is about abusive comments supposedly made about herself.
And the speaker didn't see her.
He ignored her.
He didn't want to call her because, again, Stama wouldn't have wanted it.
He wouldn't have wanted this MP to garner sympathy in a debate like this.
at a time when Stalma himself is trying to force her out of the Labour Party
as he works to purge the party of all of Corbyn supporters.
Now, these are minor things.
I don't want to overstate the importance of these events in Parliament.
Most people are not interested in them.
But again, what they show is that every part of the...
political machinery is now being used to help Stama, not just become prime minister,
but to put him in an impregnable position.
Yeah, Stommer is the guy.
He's the guy that they want that they've been pushing for.
Yes.
They're going to get them too.
It's going to be a disaster, my prediction.
Yeah, absolutely.
There are many people who say that.
Interestingly enough, both on.
on the right and on the left.
It's one of the strangest,
it's not actually unprecedented in Britain,
but there are people on the, you know,
the authentic right and the authentic left
who are agreeing about an awful lot
about what's wrong about Britain today.
And I think this is something I would try to explain to people
about Britain, which is that historically,
in Britain. Britain is unusual
because people
who were very much on the right
and people who were very much on the left
at a personal level
in politics often used to get on
quite well together. Within
the system that we have
today
that's become more difficult
but you could start
to see ultimately
that there is now
both on the right, I mean on the real
right, the actual genuine
right, not the Sunac right, which isn't a right.
And on the genuine left, not the star on the left, which isn't the genuine left, but the real left,
there are people who are now beginning to emerge and they're starting to make the same
criticisms.
Yeah.
All right.
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