The Duran Podcast - UK wants US directly involved in UKRAINE CONFLICT

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

UK wants US directly involved in UKRAINE CONFLICT The Duran: Episode 2014

All right, Alexander, let's talk about the long-range missile strikes, the UK's push to get the U.S.'s approval to launch storm shadow missiles into pre-2014 Russian territory. And Kirstammer's personal involvement, obsession, his personal obsession with getting these storm shadow missiles greenlit to be launched into pre-2014 Russian territory. You could talk about his meeting last week with Biden and his staff, and he didn't get the green light, the desired outcome that he was hoping for Kirsteamer. He's not giving up. We are getting reports that he's now going to go on a tour of Italy, Germany, and France in order to convince those countries to get on board with his plan to attack. Russia. I mean, I don't think there's any other words to say what he's trying to attack Russia with long-range, with stormshadow missiles to hit Russia. He's trying to get France, Italy, and Germany on board because these three countries have either said in the case of France or they have

hinted in the case of Italy and Germany that they want nothing to do with with long-range missile strikes into pre-2014 Russia territories. Anyway, let's talk about this. of the UK government and of Kirstombers to attack Russia. It is an obsession and it is incredibly dangerous and it's going to end badly, whatever happens. But let me just first of all say about your comment that this is about Britain launching missile strikes against Russia. Of course, the British government will say it's not about us doing it at all.

It's about Ukraine doing it. Ukraine using our missiles. to conduct long-range missile strikes against Russia. However, there's been an absolutely, you know, astonishing article in the London Times, very, very revealing article. And it actually contains a phrase in which it says, it says that Britain cannot launch missiles against Russia

by itself. It needs American help to do it. And that is in effect, that's what they're saying Ukraine cannot do it. You know, it needs American help as well as British. They're saying Britain cannot do it. Now, all right, you could say that was a slip or something like that, but, you know, sometimes slips happen, which are very suggestive. This article was clearly based on very high-level briefings, including from people within the British Defence Ministry. And I have, I have to, I have, have to say this is this is clearly what we're looking at now you're absolutely right this is a complete obsession this is it's developing into something of a personal crusade you would have thought that what happened to Boris Johnson Listrusts Risi Zunak all of him embraced Zelensky

would play out, would warn Keir Starrma not to follow in those tracks, you would have thought that the advice of the Foreign Office, the British Foreign Office, which is basically to dial down and back off, the same article in the Times says that the British, that the Foreign Office advised Stama that Britain is going too far ahead on this, that they're out on a limb on this one, that they need to get back into the pack. They don't, they shouldn't really be going out and lobbying all by themselves for this sort of thing. And that's what's the foreign office is connection? Is that connected to the foreign ministry? The foreign office is the foreign

office. The foreign office is the foreign ministry. Yeah. So we don't have a foreign minister. We have a secretary of state. And the foreign offices are foreign ministry. We have we have all these antique Victorian names for many of our departments. Just. say. But anyway, the foreign ministry, let's call it the foreign ministry, is advising the government, is advising Stama not to do this. And Stama, we read in the article, the same article in the Times, faced the foreign ministry down. In other words, he rejected their advice. We've had the former national security advisor and former ambassador to Washington, Lord Darrick, he's coming along. He's also giving articles, interviews to the Financial Times. He said this is an incredibly bad idea.

We don't want to do this. It could get us into all sorts of trouble. But he's plowing on. He's determined to press forward with this idea. And the article of the Times told us a lot of other things. They told us that he'd been encouraged to take this course by Tony. Blinken. This is exactly what we said in various programs that Tony Blinken and the neocons in the US are keen on this idea also. So he's basically listening to what Tony Blinken said. He assumed that because Tony Blinken told him, well, you know, the people in Washington are coming round to your point of view. He assumed that this was true. So he came along to Washington expecting the Biden and the other American officials that he met would say yes.

And he got a shock when instead they said no. They said, we're not doing it now. This is simply not an option for the moment. And they're turning around and they're blaming Jake Sullivan. They say Jake Sullivan was the person who really doesn't believe in any of this. And he's somehow exercising the sinister influence over the president and over the entire US government. and it is he and only he who apparently is preventing this brilliant thing, these attacks with these missiles being done. And in the meantime, we see that the Europeans are very, very cool on this

idea. Olaf Schultz has ruled it out. He's come out, made an absolutely clear statement. He says, this isn't going to happen. He's not going to supply terrorist missiles to Ukraine. He's not going to authorize long-range missile strikes against Russia. I'm sorry, against Russia. I'm sorry, against Russia. Maloney is saying exactly the same. Now, a few weeks ago, in France, Macron might also have backed this idea. And bear in mind, the Storm Shadow is basically a French missile. Apparently, it's a derivative of a missile that the French developed in the 1980s. They are the people who produce it.

There's been some British input, but it's the French who provide it. and the French have to give permission for it to be used in this way. And it's absolutely clear after the recent parliamentary elections in France that the French public is opposed to it, that most of the French political class now on the left and on the right oppose it as well. I suspect that Michel Barnier, Macron's designated as Prime Minister, given his background, will probably want to oppose it as well. So the French not keen on this idea either.

But Starmer is obsessed and wants to do it. Now ultimately, the people who matter are the Americans. If the Americans change their position, then it will happen. But if the Americans stick to saying no, then it won't and it can't. And this is the last incredible revelation that the time said, gave, which it talked about the storm shadow, and it said that because the Russians are jamming all the GPS signals, the only way that the storm shadow can penetrate Russian defenses

is through using ground mapping technology, that this depends on American satellites. But they don't quite say that it has to be uploaded. The data has to be uploaded by American technicians. But it does say that this is, is an American proprietary system. And of course, that takes us straight back to what Vladimir Putin said a couple of days ago, and the warning he gave.

He said that Ukraine cannot launch these storm shadows by itself. It needs NATO personnel to format the missiles in order for that to happen. Now, that warning, those words of Putin, have not been widely publicised in the West. In fact, in Britain, they haven't been publicised at all. But we see that the Times, in effect, is confirming their truth. That the Americans have to be involved. They have to provide the satellite data,

and probably they have to provide the formatting as well. And that, I think, takes us directly to what this is all about. It is about getting the United States directly involved in the war, because the British know that Ukraine is losing the war. They know that the situation in Ukraine is becoming desperate. The British are massively over-invested in Project Ukraine. So the only way to turn things round is to somehow find some means to pull in the United States. And how are they going to do it?

They're going to do it by getting these storm shadow missiles launched against Russia. And I think the Americans have figured it out, or at least some of them have, which is why they're resisting. And I think that in Starmus case, as you rightly say, it's become also something of a personal crusade. Well, Americans like Lincoln want the U.S. to jump into this conflict. They want it. They want it. Absolutely. The Pentagon would go for it too if they thought they could come out with a win. but the Pentagon obviously now understands. Finally, the Pentagon understands that they've lost this.

Yes. And that this would really endanger the U.S. military if they did something like this. Correct. They've realized exactly what's at stake here. And so they're putting a break on all of this. The defense ministers, speaking of the Pentagon of the United States, the defense ministry in the UK, unfortunately, according to the Sunday Times, they're egging Stommer on.

Yes. The Sunday Times reported that Wallace, Grant Shaps, three or four other defense ministers, and Boris Johnson are telling Stommer to go it alone. Absolutely. Forget the U.S. launch the missiles. Yes, which, of course, you can't. I mean, that's what the Times tells us. You need an American input to do it.

But the defense ministry, or at least some people in the defense and security world, and I don't think it is limited to just these. ministers, by the way, these ex-ministers, they are obviously actively lobbying for this thing. And again, it's not difficult to understand why. Britain has massively over-invested in Project Ukraine. It's got far out on a limb. If Project Ukraine fails, if Ukraine is defeated, it is a defeat for Britain. And that is something that they find unendurable, especially as it would be a defeat of Britain by the Russians, who, as we know, the British have some kind of massive problem with. Yeah. So the whole goal is to pull the U.S. into the conflict. Americans, hopefully they

understand this. American people. Hopefully they understand what's happening. Zelensky's victory plan is effectively to pull the U.S. into the conflict. There is no NATO. The U.S. is NATO. The whole goal is just to get the U.S. into the conflict in Ukraine. Who even knows? Maybe even with boots on the ground, God knows what they're thinking. But they have to get the U.S. into the war. That's their only possible, it doesn't even guarantee a victory. It's their only possible chance of perhaps pulling off some sort of a stalemate or some

sort of a victory. If they don't get the U.S. into the war, it's done. Everyone understands this, including Jake Sullivan. I believe that Jake Sullivan has finally understood that this thing is over. And the Pentagon has understood that this thing is over. Now, it doesn't mean that they don't want to keep this thing going until after the elections, as we've said in many videos, for them, it benefits them if they can just keep this thing going until January or February when they're long gone.

But the conflict, in effect, is lost. The Netherlands is saying that they don't have Patriot missiles to give to Ukraine, even though they were talking about providing Patriot Air Defense Systems to Ukraine. There are no Patriot Air Defense systems to give to Ukraine. The money is running out. There are various U.S. publications which are saying that even if Harris were to win in 24 November, there's just no more money to give to Ukraine. So, I mean, this is what's happening, but you still have these defense ministers,

these Boris Johnson's traveling to Kiev, Blinken. They're still trying to get. the U.S. to some sort of a showdown with Russia. You're absolutely, that is exactly what is happening. And it's not so different from what Macron was trying to do, if you remember a few months ago. Right after the fall of Avdavka, we had the previous big panic. Ukraine looked like it was going to lose. Macron goes out. He talks about sending French troops to Ukraine to hold the line there. we said at the time, others started to say it also that what Macron was really doing was he was trying to create a situation where the French came up against the Russians and the French would then ask the Americans to come and save them. That was basically what that was all about. French society was deeply hostile to that whole plan.

and as we know, the parliamentary elections followed. First, there was the European elections and then the parliamentary elections, and it became clear that French society was dead against that whole idea. So now the British are trying to do the same thing. Again, they understand that British society would never agree to British troops being sent to fight in Ukraine, openly fighting Ukraine. Covertly, they are, of course, there, and they have been there, along. You remember we did a live stream with Jim Webb in which he talked about how the SAS was fighting the Russians at Gostomel Airport in February and March 2022. Just saying, but the British,

maybe they're covertly, the British people will accept that, but they will never accept a situation where the British army, such as it is, not in any great shape. goes and fights the Russians. So instead, what they're trying to do is they're trying to use the storm shadows and this idea of long-range strikes against Russia to drag in the United States. It's exactly the same story as we saw with Macron. As you rightly said, the Americans, some Americans are opposed. Some Americans are in favor. Tony Blinken wants to enlarge the war. I'm pretty sure that there are others at the State Department who are also keen on doing this. But the Pentagon is opposed because they don't want to get into a war with the Russians

because they understand how dangerous that would be. And they don't want to get themselves anyway in any kind of situation where the Russians might want or choose to retaliate against American assets around the world. And Jake Sullivan, who's the national security advisor, and who therefore has to listen every day to what the Pentagon is telling him. He has clearly called on this idea. He wants us correctly say to keep the war going until the election and beyond. But he no longer, I'm sure, believes in an Ukrainian victory anymore.

And if you want confirmation of that, go to the London Times article again, because you have an ex-British official talking about Jake Sullivan, saying, you know, he doesn't believe. It's actually there. He doesn't really believe in the possibility of a Ukrainian victory. And, you know, this terrible man, Jake Sullivan, he never really believed in it anyway, all the way back in, going all the way back to February 2020.

he was the one who was always the problem. I mean, it's a really nasty set of things that they're saying about Jake Sullivan. I can't believe, by the way, I was going to put him in a sympathetic move towards the British. But that's another story. But you can see that when you say Jake Sullivan doesn't believe in a Ukrainian victory, the British agree with you. Two final questions. the first question I have is

is what would happen if if the UK just stopped supporting Project Ukraine I mean to the everyday citizen of Britain of the UK what's the big deal why is this so existential it would be a huge relief to them it would be a serious question why is this so existential

for the British I mean just just let it go absolutely back in February March April 22 you couldn't move around Britain without seeing Ukrainian flags outside houses and people were putting pro-Ukrainian stickers in their windows and all of that. All of that's disappeared. The British public is a lot more to think about and worry about than Ukraine. I also think, if anything, they probably not just

become less supportive of Ukraine, but I think criticism and skepticism about the whole thing has actually grown. And as you rightly say, Britain has many, many problems that it needs to to deal with and Ukraine is not just a distraction from those problems, but as we've discussed in many programmes, this commitment to Ukraine is making the problems worse. It's causing energy prices, energy costs to rise, it's led to vast expenditures of money, it's led to a critical situation with the British defence system. And of course, there's been claims which I don't know whether they're true. I want to say that. But there's also claims that it's left British banks exposed because supposedly they're given guarantees for Ukrainian loans. I want to stress again, I've heard that.

I've never seen any report about it here in Britain. But most people in Britain, I think, would frankly say, well, maybe we're a bit sorry that Ukraine's gone down, but ultimately we've got more important things to worry about. The political class is different. The political class, the security establishment, the defense establishment, the people in Westminster, the people in the two major parties are different. Because they've made the duel with the duel that they believe they are conducting with Russia. The central element in their claim that Britain is still a world power. by matching off against Russia, as they see it, they can tell the Americans, look, we're still important. They can tell the world's. Look, we're still important. You see, the Russians are big and powerful and strong,

and the fact that we're dueling with them must also mean that we too are big, powerful and strong. if Ukraine goes down, if Britain loses, Britain by extension loses, then that whole narrative, which is psychologically very important to a British political class, which still hankers after great power status. It's not so long ago since Britain was a great power and had his empire and all of that. Anyway, once that goes, they are left accepting the fact that they are reduced to leading a diminished country as they would see it on the margin of world affairs. And that is something that they simply can't bring themselves to accept. Now, as I said, I actually think on the contrary, it would be a liberating moment if they stop dreaming these fantasies of, you know, great British power and all of that,

they might actually start looking at Britain itself, understanding that there's an awful lot that can be done here, that it'd be exciting and interesting to start doing it and to start addressing real British problems. But the British political class won't accept that. I remember reading a British commentator, not so long ago in the telegraph, talking about how if Russia wins,

it will be a humiliation for the two most powerful, countries in NATO, which are the United States and Britain, bracketing Britain, giving it some kind of equal status to the United States, which is a nonsensical idea. It's an absurd one, but it's where many of them still, the thing that they still cling to. Final question, a little bit on a lighter note. What's up with Boris Johnson? What's his angle in all, in what he's doing? Is his goal to be? become another Tony Blair type of figure where he's just traveling the world, getting paid ungodly amounts of money to cause trouble and chaos, because he pops up in Kiev a couple of

days ago and no one is quite understanding what his role is in the British government, in the globalist elite architecture. What is Boris Johnson's ankle? What's up with this guy? Well, I think you've answered the question. You've answered the question as you post the question. I mean, the reason Boris is doing this is because he wants to maintain, keep himself noticed. So Ukraine was his big thing. So he just plugs on with that big thing. That makes him look and sound important. He's able to travel to Kiev, make out that he's still this world statesman of some kind.

That means that he can also get invitations to all the various conferences and places and speak there about, you know, the danger from Russia, you know, re-reciting again and again and again, his own versions of Winston Churchill's famous Iron Curtain speech from the 1940s. Remember, he actually has written a rather biography of Churchill, by the way. Not a very good one, in my opinion, but that's my view. Anyway, so, you know, that's what he's doing. He's keeping himself noticed. He's keeping himself.

he's preserving the fiction that he's still someone important. And of course, materially speaking, it's good for him because he gets paid for doing what he does. I'm not saying that at some level he doesn't also believe in all of this. I'm sure he does at some level. But with Boris always the material benefits matter. and I'm sure that they play a large role in making him do what he does. He will never, never acquire the influence over British politics that Tony Blair has. I'd say that with regret because I think Tony Blair's influence is disastrous, by the way, just to say.

Boris's influence would be equally disastrous if it were ever to expand to those levels. But Blair is a much, much more, how shall I put it? Well, in some ways, intelligent and manipulative and dangerous figure than Johnson will ever be. Yeah, true. All right, we will end the video there. The durand.com. We are on Rumble Odyssey, bitch shoot, telegram, rockfin, and Twitter X and go to the Duran shop, pick up some merch. Like the T-shirts that we are wearing today in this video.

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