The Duran Podcast - Ukraine conflict: Long range missiles & frontline collapse w/ Jim Webb (Live)

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Ukraine conflict: Long range missiles & frontline collapse w/ Jim Webb (Live) ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, we are live with Alexander McCurris. And today we have the one and only Jim Webb. Jim, it is great to finally get you on the Duran. Thank you so much for joining us on the show. Not a problem. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. And yeah, I've been following your guys work for a long time.
Starting point is 00:00:25 We've been going back and forth, Alexander. And this is a huge topic. And it's perfect timing, actually. So, yeah, we have got a lot of ground to cover and you are the right person to discuss everything that is going on in, in the conflict in Ukraine, as well as what is going on in Kursk. And the news about the long-range missiles to the Ukraine military, the green light for the use of long-range missiles to hit Russian territory. So before we get started, let's just say a quick hello to everyone that is watching us on locals, the durand. Dot locals.com, on Rakfin, out of to see Rumble and on YouTube. How is everyone doing today watching us on this live show?
Starting point is 00:01:09 A big shout out to our moderators. Thank you to our moderators. And before we get started, Alexander, Jim, where can people find you? What is the best place for people to follow your work? So the best place to find me right now is on Twitter. It's at James Webb 16. That's best place to find me. I have a substack, which is inactive right now.
Starting point is 00:01:31 getting back into it. But I tweet fairly regularly. But if you want to follow me, that'd be great. All right. I will have the link to Jim's Twitter in the description box down below and as up in comments. So we have a lot of ground to cover Alexander, Jim. So Alexander, let's get right into it. Indeed, let's do so. And I'd like to start, if you don't mind, with an article that you and George B. who is one of the most eminent people, former people in the CIA. and a tremendous contributor of responsible statecraft, one of the most intelligent people I know.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Anyway, you and George Beebe wrote an article. I think it was in June of last year. Ukraine's offensive at that time in the summer was still underway. It was already clear to those of us who followed the war closely that it was going wrong.
Starting point is 00:02:23 You pointed out at the time that it was going wrong. You suggested that what Ukraine should do, is forget the whole idea of offensive operations, at least the offensive that was underway. At that time, build up fortified lines, prepare, go over to the defence, and also, and this is the other thing,
Starting point is 00:02:47 which people always overlook about that article, think seriously about negotiations. Now, just to say, I don't want, I never asked leading questions of these programmes. to my mind that made absolute sense when it was written. I still think it makes broad sense now, but it's not what Ukraine is just doing. It's not what it was doing then, and it's not what it is doing now. And people in the West still continue seemingly to encourage Ukraine to escalate,
Starting point is 00:03:24 to do all kinds of things in all sorts of ways. I'll ask the question. Do you feel that your analysis of that time has been vindicated? Would Ukraine be in a much better position if it had followed your advice then? I certainly think so. I think it should have done that even before your article was written. But anyway, over to you on this show. First of all, Alexander, thank you so much for the kind words about that article. George is a fantastic colleague, and we had a very easy. time writing that it just seemed natural. But not to sound arrogant, but yes, had they had they followed that plan, I think they would be in a much, much better position than they are now. If you take a look at the nature of their entire conflict, it has been defensive. They were invaded. They have gone and talked to us in the West continuously about Russian aggression, Russian aggression, which thereby means that you are, you know, naturally you're in the defense
Starting point is 00:04:28 at that time. You know, at the time they launched the offensive, they had received a tremendous amount of, you know, pretty sophisticated Western equipment. They had gotten to a point where they were beginning to be matched, if not outnumbered on the battlefield. And, you know, as a former Marine infantryman, you know, you do not attack unless you absolutely have to if you are outnumbered. You want a ratio of two to one, three to one, four to one, if you're going into the offense. The reality of the battlefield at that point in time, I think everybody here can remember. It was falling Bachmute. They had, you know, gone through a tremendous meat grinder, had, you know, effectively their major units chewed up in the defense.
Starting point is 00:05:12 We're talking about their elite units. They kept feeding, you know, their top guys into that battle, much like the Germans fed some of their top guys into Stalin. at in World War II. While it turned out, it looked like the Russians were, you know, kind of feeding, you know, not the best troops. They were, you know, they were contract soldiers. It was the infamous Wagner group. You know, it's, and the offset there, you know, during that particular part of the battle was, you know, for every few, you know, completely expendable Russians that were being lost on the battlefield, Ukrainians were losing, you know, highly trained, highly NATO trained, well-equipped guys to defend something of, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:54 dubious battlefield significance. And then you actually get into what could have been accomplished had they sat in the defense, you know, a defense in depth. You know, the intent of a defense in depth is to entangle and mesh the enemy if they try to penetrate your lines. You put your mobilized units back behind the front. If there's a breakthrough, you have to. the ability to counterattack and offset that.
Starting point is 00:06:23 You know, had they done that and not expended, you know, even more of their best men and probably a couple additional rounds of conscription of territorial defense troops or wherever these folks, you know, ended up, they would still have significant combat power. But, you know, you have to get to the first point, which is, can Ukraine or could Ukraine ever defeat Russia militarily by themselves on the battlefield. And the answer has always been an unequivocal no, despite the ramblings of, shall we say, the Western media and Western intelligence agencies. So if you're not going to be able to win in the offense, you know, you have to,
Starting point is 00:07:08 in order to stop an invasion of that kind of that kind, push the other side to a point where they want to negotiate. And they talk about, you know, continuously every day we hear about, you know, eight, ten Russian soldiers are dying for every Ukrainian. First of all, that's complete bunk, you know. But if you could force that reality and the only way you can force that reality is in the defense, a strong defensive position that cannot be cracked, you know, which leaves the only option, you know, for both sides to, is to go and have a political
Starting point is 00:07:44 settlement, you know, or a negotiated piece of some kind. The other thing I would add to that is time in the sense that taking that strategy by Ukraine last year, or better still even 2022, would have bought Ukraine time because, of course, the other thing that has changed and is changing all the time over the course of the war is that the Russians are steadily mobilising. They've got resources that they can bring to bear, which they didn't have in 2022 or 2023. They have them now, and they're probably likely to have even more.
Starting point is 00:08:24 So you need to persuade the Russians sooner rather than later that it is to their advantage to talk. And that, I would have said, would have been done by following the advice that you and George B, gave over a year ago. Now, I'm glad you brought up this question about Ukraine. It cannot win the war, at least not in the way that it's been presented in the West. One of the most, for me, surreal moments in the presidential debate that has just taken place in the United States. I don't want to spend too much amount of time about that, was that when Donald Trump was asked, do you want
Starting point is 00:09:09 Ukraine to win. The obvious answer is whatever he wants, it's not going to happen. It is an absurd question that is completely detached from reality.
Starting point is 00:09:25 And does it not baffle you as a military person that the advice that is being given by so many people within the military? And we all know there's some generals who argue otherwise. We're not going to name them because of the kind people.
Starting point is 00:09:42 But so many people who, various militaries I've spoken to, are all saying the same thing. Victory for Ukraine is impossible. Why is this not getting through in a country like the United States where there is so much tremendous intelligence, you know, and ability to analyze and understand these things? Well, I think flat out, Alex, is the American public does not have a real or a realistic understanding of what's going on in the battlefield.
Starting point is 00:10:17 And that comes down to how it's being reported, you know, the restriction information, the framing of Ukraine as somehow this indispensable ally. You know, and if you want to look at the openness of the Ukrainians, you just start with their casualty numbers. they have not reported anything official, I believe, since 2022. You know, we're sitting in a couple, like maybe a couple tens of thousands of KIAs that they admit to. And when they're pressed continuously to reveal those, they revert back to saying it's a state secret of some kind. And quite frankly, if, you know, it's not to, you know, not to get into like a Vietnam-type body count situation where you're keeping score like it's a baseball game or something like that.
Starting point is 00:11:03 But if you don't know how many casualties your quote unquote side is taking, then you have no idea how effective they are or aren't. If you're taking tremendously high losses, then what you're doing is not correct. And that's the starting point. The second point that I'd like to get to on this in particular is that I don't believe that the military in the United States, you know, the military United States has it's a, it's a separate entity. it's not supposed to be politicized and not really supposed to have a voice necessarily in the policy. Their job is to go and execute. You know, that's kind of in the Constitution. It's the way we're governed.
Starting point is 00:11:41 But what you have, it's replaced it is, you know, for lack of better term, the military industrial complex. You know, the defense contracting companies, which fuel a lot of these politicians and a lot of the campaigns that you see are making tremendous amounts of cash. The majority of the money, which has been allocated to Ukraine, is not going to Ukrainian military. It's not going to the Ukrainian government. It's going to these companies in order to, you know, provide purchase orders for equipment that may or may not ever get there. So it's in their interest to have this going. You have the politicians in Washington who,
Starting point is 00:12:20 you know, from my experience on Capitol Hill, have never really had a firm grasp on what actually goes on overseas in any conflict. I mean, just, you know, it's yesterday was September 11th. I'm a G-WAT veteran, you know, and not really at one point, whether it's the invasion of Iraq, the fall of Afghanistan, or even the prosecution of the war in Afghanistan, did it really appear that the American public or the political class in this country had a true understanding of, you know, the nature of combat? And you'd hope and you'd think after 20 years that, you know, people would at least develop some kind of understanding for it, if for no other reason than to ensure that the prosecution of our own wars would go well, which they did not, and that's evidence
Starting point is 00:13:09 enough that that never really happened. But this has led to kind of a really dangerous situation, I believe, for our own military. I wish somebody inside would resign, step up and say, hey, this is a major red flag. Not only will we, you know, catapulting ourselves, you know, towards World War III potentially over something that really isn't in our interest. I can't, you know, for the life of me for years, I've tried to find something than the core United States national interest, which is in Ukraine. And quite frankly, there is not. What it comes back to, you know, is, you know, if you, not to go off tangentially, but Ukraine is, in effect, the, you know, the final color revolution project of, you know, the final color revolution
Starting point is 00:13:56 project of the Hillary Clinton Secretary of State era. It's the only one which has not completely failed yet. And there are elements inside the government, you know, who are probably thinking about their own legacy that it cannot let this go for their own deep personal reasons. And they have a stranglehold on how things are prosecuted. So they keep pushing it. Now, what additional dangers for, you know, the American fighting man does this present? If you look at the amount of equipment that we have dropped into Ukraine, from attackums to artillery systems to just the Bradley on the ground, all of these systems were developed to fight a large-scale conventional war with Russia in mind, to crack them as they came through the fold of gap in Germany. And what we have done through the course of time here is we have fed our best equipment, we have fed our tactics, you know, piecemeal into effectively an amateur army
Starting point is 00:14:59 and allow the Russians to take these things apart a piece at a time. And any technological edge that we may have had and may have needed to keep in reserve for our own conflict is gone. You know, and I'll use attack them as an example. It's a long-range system. It's quite in vogue right now for a lot of very negative reasons. But what you want to do with that is you want to use those in mass to either check an advance of an enemy or to prep the battle space for your own. You hit the logistics lines, you hit bridges, you overwhelm the opponent's ability to shoot them down and their defense. And that's really like, you know, you want that to be the first time you use it.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Because as they're trying to figure it out, all their key points are destroyed. And then you can, you know, you can use your own side to prosecute some sort of attack and maintain that advantage. And that is all going away. And I look at the other side of the equation, having followed this conflict very closely from day one, you know, the Russian military is not only fielding a tremendous amount of equipment. You know, they've remobilized their industrial sector. But what they're producing is quite advanced. And you still have the American public, you know, towing the same line of, oh, look, it's, you know, it's Soviet communist made junk from the 1970s or 1980s, which, quite frankly, we never saw really on the battlefield, except for in Vietnam.
Starting point is 00:16:42 And, you know, it presents a very dangerous situation on any number of fronts. What you've just said, by the way, about the Russians learning about American military technology is not only true, the Russians are quite open about it. They're talking about it all the time. They say that it takes them about six weeks, apparently, to get to understand how a new American system works. And then after six weeks, they just, they, they, they, they, they, they, develop ways to counter it. And this isn't, you know, me saying that. It's all over the Russian media.
Starting point is 00:17:17 They're quite open about this. You know, they've taken about the Atagans. They've taken about the Storm Shadow. They've learned a lot about the Bradleys and the, everything else, you know, the Abrahams and all of those. So I just want to ask one last question on this sort of political thing. Because in order to make decisions about war, you need to get the advice. of the people who are experts in war, who are the soldiers. It's not, by the way, something that is unheard of in the United States.
Starting point is 00:17:52 It's what Lincoln did. It's what FDR did. By the way, ahead of Vietnam, it's what JFK was doing. It's actually, because remember, he'd been in the military himself. He'd fought in the Second World War. He was sending people like Maxwell Taylor to Vietnam. He was listening very carefully to what they were saying, and he was adjusting his decisions, and he was tiptoeing away from that particular war. So I understand.
Starting point is 00:18:19 It doesn't seem to happen anymore. I don't get the sense that the military are being listened to. I don't mean, you know, a few political court generals, as I would call them. I mean the actual people who are going to have to execute the policy. And you mentioned how in the United States there's this clear separation between the military and the political. But of course, when you are talking about war, one would have assumed that in that kind of situation,
Starting point is 00:18:55 the military would actually have a role and would be able to give advice. It's happened before. It's not contrary to the Constitution of the United States. There are, as I said, of it, the most successful war presidents have done it. Why is nobody talking about it or bringing it up now? That's the million dollar question, Alex. And to add a little bit to that, we have 20 years of conflict under our belt in my demographic. And there is a massive underrepresentation of veterans in any of these spaces. And, you know, it's a,
Starting point is 00:19:38 to go back to when I was working on Capitol Hill, you have a new emphasis, if you will, on what makes you an expert in the United States, and it leaks over into this. And that is educational creds, that is how many schools you've been to. It has nothing to do necessarily with the depth of your experience in a particular area. If you don't have the right school, you're kind of frozen out. I was lucky enough to go to a regular public school after I got to the Marine Corps and to work my way into the Senate. But once there, it was quite revealing to see what the emphasis is. Now, I view this a little bit cynically, where you have the political class is probably insecure about their lack of experience.
Starting point is 00:20:28 And they lean on the different people, or shall we say, not to put them too far out there, different profits. they may or may not have listened to along the way. And that provides insulation for their ideals. And they don't like to be checked. You know, because if you go back and take a look at what, you know, what veterans think around the United States, I have a hard time finding anybody in my peer group who thinks that the way Afghanistan ended, that the way the war in Ukraine is being prosecuted,
Starting point is 00:21:02 or even our actions supporting, you know, the IDF in Gaza is a good idea. Or does it mirror what we do or does it mirror what we should do? And I think you're completely correct. You know, you need to listen to the people who are doing it to or have done it to be successful. And it's not about rank. It's about experience. And the majority of the experience is held by folks who were junior enlisted and worked their way up to senior staff NCOs or junior officer.
Starting point is 00:21:32 who got out and went and did other things. But there is also another problem, I think, that is important to highlight. It's, you know, when you go back historically, you know, like war councils, for lack of better term, big figures throughout history, Eisenhower, MacArthur, they're generals. They are senior officers, but who have very, very extensive combat experience. Eisenhower was responsible for the D-Day landings. MacArthur speaks for himself. He was a tremendous leader.
Starting point is 00:22:07 George Patton would have been one of those if he hadn't died, unfortunately, following the Second World War. But I believe that type of historical construct is now used an excuse because there aren't many generals in the military right now who have the same degree of combat experience as the enlisted because our war. for 20 years was a it was a small unit war it was they called it a squad leader's war which is you know a squad leader in the u.s. military is typically a you know 20 or 21 year old you know i would in my my age now i i hesitate to call myself old but i would call them a kid um but those are men you know they're grown up and you learn a tremendous amount on the fly um if we want to be
Starting point is 00:22:54 successful we have to find a way to include those voices in our decision-making because it reeks of a lack of experience for lack of better term. Right. Let's turn to the question of the missiles, because this is the one that things everybody's talking about at the moment. Now, what I haven't understood, and I really haven't understood, is what exactly are these missiles, if we get the permission to launch the deep strikes? What exactly is it that they're expected to do? I asked this question, because I was reading an article today in the Daily Telegraph, just after, I read an article of The Guardian.
Starting point is 00:23:30 They both said, you know, this is very risky. There's all kinds of things. We don't quite know how the Russians might react. It could be very provocative. And then they accept, actually, we don't actually have that many of these missiles. We haven't got enough to give the Ukrainians any great number. The Russians have moved their aircraft away from, you know, out of their range. And they've got lots of air defences.
Starting point is 00:23:55 And we should still give them anyway. We should still give the permission to the Ukraine Institute anyway. So what is the plan? I mean, again, I assume that there has to be some kind of a plan behind this. Or is this just another emotional spasm that we have to do something because Ukraine is losing. So Zelensky wants it, so we have to give it to you. Because I just don't understand the logic behind this. Maybe I'm missing something.
Starting point is 00:24:24 So unfortunately, Alex, I think there's a very strong logic to it. And I believe it comes from the Ukrainian side. I believe it was yesterday the Ukrainian foreign minister or the spokesman for the foreign minister said that our invasion into Kursk proves that there really are no Russian red lines. It's all just bluster. And that's a paraphrase. But the ultimate objective for the Ukrainians is to embroil NATO in this conflict because they know they cannot do it on their own. And they have been continuously searching for a way to bring a response from the Russians that would allow NATO troops to be, shall we say, officially introduced on the battlefield. That's point number one. Point number two, we have an administration right now, which has an incredibly weak secretary of state,
Starting point is 00:25:16 an entire department of state. If you look at any number of, you know, should we say American client states, they're driving the bus. The Israelis are setting U.S. policy in the Middle East and constantly towing the line of a regional war. And every single time that Ukrainians ask for something, there either isn't the knowledge inside the building in D.C. at Foggy Bottom to say, hey, hold on a second, this is this is not going to work. This is nonsense. Or there's a lack of will for whatever reason. But the senior partner in these relationships, which is the United States, should act like that. And they should say, you know, this is what you will and you won't do. You know, you can't have this. You can't have this. We're not risking, you know, the exposure of
Starting point is 00:26:05 our technology. We're not risking the prospects of World War III. Whatever, whatever your justification is, there's any number of them. It's just not getting out there. Now, in a tactical sense, I guess the idea is to disrupt the airfields and the supply lines, the rail lines with these missiles. But, you know, they're not even that effective. There's been decreased effectiveness over time, which is well documented within, you know, within Ukraine and a touch into Russia. Now, if you're talking about firing these deep into Russia, the Russians have some of the best electronic warfare systems in the world. You know, for the past 20 years, you know, we've continued the Cold War model here in the United States of the different types of technology that we're developing, you know, big, you know, big whizbangs and such, the F-22, the F-35. They have been focused on anti-access and an area, air, in a, A2AD, you know, which is in effect just preventing themselves from being hit by different systems, being able to shoot down missiles, air defense.
Starting point is 00:27:12 And they've got it down to a T and they've been able to go live, you know, against our different systems over time. And so anything that the Ukrainians would fire in there in a military sense isn't going to have much of an effect, even if they hadn't moved all of their equipment deeper into Russia. And this goes back to the first point, which is they need to do something to get a response from Putin. You know, I saw an article this morning myself that, you know, the Kremlin issues a stern warning. I believe that was the Reuters headline. And if you read actually what the warning was, is that if you go ahead and you start, you know, lobbying American ordinance into our country,
Starting point is 00:27:52 we're going to double their triple down on our response into Ukraine. And I find it kind of disturbing, you know, having grown up in the United States, and I remember the 90s, I remember the 80s. And we are placing the prospects of World War III into the hands of Putin. And we're relying on him to be, you know, the patient actor that he has been. And, you know, it's not a knock necessarily on him.
Starting point is 00:28:26 It's that I just don't understand where that shift happened, right? You know, it's a United States has built itself as, you know, the freest country on earth. You know, we're out here, you know, doing things for the betterment of mankind. and traditionally, at least rhetorically, responding to provocations and being the voice of calm, we are the ones who go in and do the negotiation to bring the end of conflicts in, you know, low-grade conflicts across the world. Yet here we are, you know, continuously trying to push them with no end. And, you know, that gets into the pride point number three, which is, unfortunately, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:05 you're seeing an absolute lack of, you know, a plan for the United States in this conflict, you know, overthrowing Russia, you know, or enabling the Ukrainians to win on the battlefield, you know, as a, you know, full stop is not a plan. You know, there's, it's, it's, it never has been. It never will be. And that echoes, you know, quite frankly, how the entire GWAT was fought. You know, it's kind of a mess, Alex. But I'll see, yeah. I should say, I've been, again, reading Russian officials, particularly from the foreign minister, people like Riyarbakk. And they're actually safe, quite straightforwardly, the reason this has been done, all this talk about launching missiles is going on, is that it's a psychological war.
Starting point is 00:29:56 They want to provoke us. They want us to provoke us into doing something stupid. And we are not going to let them do that. We are going to focus on doing, I know. But, I mean, again, it is incredibly provocative because the other thing that happened, another, I thought, very surreal moment in the presidential debate. And again, I don't want to waste, devote too much time to it, whereas Trump mentions the fact that the Russians have nuclear weapons.
Starting point is 00:30:25 And this is sort of whisked away. It's not something that people seem to take terribly. seriously anymore. I who was brought up through the Cold War, I remember how afraid people were then of nuclear weapons. I think we should be afraid of nuclear weapons now, provoking a nuclear superpower, saying to yourself all the time, well, you know, whatever they say, it's a bluff, you can push them however much you like. It seems to me beyond reckless. And again, I have to say this, if this had been the United States of the 1980s, nobody then would have talked like that. No one in the political class at that time would have talked like that. I completely agree with you. 110%, if an extra 10%
Starting point is 00:31:15 was actually possible. I remember the 80s and I remember the Democratic Party of 1980s. I remember the left of the 1980s and the 90s and the early 2000s, which fundamentally was the the party of peace. It was an anti-war party. It was staunchly anti-nuclear weapon. You know, it's a, I came of age probably in the early 90s. As a young kid, I remember my friend's parents, you know, bragging about having protested nuclear weapons in 1970s. And these are absolutely terrifying weapons, as you know. And a country doesn't have them unless they have the will to use them. And thankfully, it's, only happened twice in history, but, you know, it's a, it's very eye-opening to see, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:06 exactly what you're talking about, where there's a provocation, you know, and then you have the response of, in the, in the Western media of, you know, could the Russians use tactical nukes on the battlefield and what would our response be? You know, just casually as if it would be like, oh, this is just, you know, it's as if, I don't know, a small country, maybe another small country, There's no other repercussions beyond that. And the discussion, you know, if people want to have a discussion about nuclear weapons, I think a good starting point would be how the Russians have re-exam their entire nuclear program. They're way ahead of us.
Starting point is 00:32:46 They're better. They're way better than ours. Ours have kind of sat on the shelf for a long time because they haven't been used. They haven't been a priority. And furthermore, you know, while I was in the Senate, the restrictions on various types of of missile production were done away with, the START treaties, you know, the interrange, medium ballistic missile treaties. And I was partied to some discussions while it was there with the Russians about, you know, what it would take to get these back on track. And their
Starting point is 00:33:17 their only request was that we include the Chinese in it, to have a three-way discussion because we now have three, in effect, three major nuclear powers on the planet. And that was consistently shot down and ignored. Placing us in a rather, you know, kind of rather precarious position at this point, I would just, I would like to petition, you know, people out there to try to raise a little bit of awareness about this if it's, you know, if it's something they want to do. Because I would hate to see something happen where, you know, a city in the West, catches one because of, you know, reckless escalatory policy with a country that doesn't
Starting point is 00:34:00 view our participation in their war, you know, as necessary to their own self-interest other than the fact that they might, that we in the West might want to take Russia apart as our intent, which is not something that they are going to allow it to happen, period. I think we should have a program, a separate program, by the way, to discuss the nuclear issue. But let's focus today on Ukraine. And I'd like to turn to the Kusk on because as I'm sure you know, I was contacted about two and a half months ago by somebody who told me. And somebody I should, the one thing I'll say about this person is he has a military background. And he told me that the Russians were setting a trap.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Now, I found that there is a sharp division of opinion about this ever since I first mentioned the fact that this is what this person had told me, which is that without exception, every single civilian commentator has completely dismissed that idea. They've said this is impossible, this isn't what happens. Putin was obviously caught by surprise. Whereas I've noticed that military people, and remember I'm not one, have said this is actually, it makes sense. It might indeed have been what the Russians were doing. And, well, we've now seen what has happened in Kusk. I have received those emails. I've seen what they say.
Starting point is 00:35:29 They look convincing to me. I'm not able to judge them, and I'm not able to second-guess this person's sources. But where are we in Kusk? Today we're hearing about an offensive that the Russians are carrying out there. Every day, we see pictures of Ukrainian losses. was this another misguided, misconceived offensive that the Ukrainians launched?
Starting point is 00:35:54 And why are why, given that it seems to be falling apart, at least that's my own sense. Why do we continue to support the Ukrainians in these foolish things? That's, well, start with the trap, Alex. You know, I am firmly of the opinion that it was a trap. You look at, if you look at the way the Russians fight war, if you look at the indicators on the ground, starting with the fact that they removed the minefields in front of those positions with really no one behind it, you know, to check a Ukraine advance. And you couple that with the demographics of the Kirst region. There's very little room, I believe, for, you know, any other conclusion than that, period. It starts with, you know, my conception of this starts with the fact that the Russians have dominance in the electronic warfare space.
Starting point is 00:36:51 And the closer you get to their border, the more impactful that becomes, the more information they can pick up. This isn't just jamming. It's getting inside of communications equipment. We've been seeing the effectiveness of that for a couple of years now, where there's all kinds of stories and reports out there of Ukrainian is turning on a cell phone. getting on a radio and then immediately taking artillery fire. So they dominate that space. And they, I would assume that they understood Ukrainians were looking for a way to try and take pressure off of the troops who were being squeezed in the Donbass. And they found an area, which they thought they might want to invade. It was probably very lightly defended.
Starting point is 00:37:34 There was reports, I believe, prior to the Ukrainian invasion that the Russians were going to use that avenue as an invasion route into Ukraine. They demined it. And then the best units in the Ukrainian military that are remaining appear to have crossed the border. So tactically and operationally, if you're facing a stubborn defender in any type of tactical construct, the thing that you want to do primarily, as the attacker is to get the defender out of his defenses and in the open. That was the most deadly period of World War I, by the way, when everybody was in the open. So they effectively did that, and they canalyze them. If you look at the maps, there aren't very many roads in Kursk.
Starting point is 00:38:22 There's, I believe, one road that would qualify as a main supply route going into that the area that was invaded. There aren't many people in that oblast. There's a million people, period. There are several thousand miles of rivers, which are a nightmare if you are an attacking army. You constantly have to forward them. Bridges can get blown behind you. You get trapped.
Starting point is 00:38:44 The lack of roads makes resupply very challenging. And then you have the terrain, which is hilly. It's a mix of open fields, which is perfect for a defender in this kind of war. And then fairly obvious, I like to quote Monty Python here, you know, with the importance of not being seen. some of my favorite skits of all time. Very obvious tree lines where, you know, the attacking forces are going to try to hide. So you have all these pieces, right? It's hard to move.
Starting point is 00:39:14 It's obvious. It was easy. And it sucked in their best units. Then you have the next part of this, right? Which is the misunderstanding in the West of the Russian way of war. You know, we in the West, we have a very much capture the flag kind of, you know, doctrine on the battlefield. And it was a kind of a great example of that was the capture of Baghdad in 2003, where you have the objective, you make a B-line for the objective, and you penetrate through the defenses. And as you penetrate through the defenses with armored units or mechanized units, infantry catches up and takes care of the enemy soldiers who are now fixed in their positions and cut off. So what you saw kind of on the map are these small groups of Ukrainian forces penetrating as deep as they could.
Starting point is 00:40:06 They seize key pieces of terrain. And, you know, what really sold me, the final piece that sold me on this being a trap was the lack of a massive Russian response immediately. You would expect that a country being invaded would immediately throw a large amount of troops to check that advance. They, in effect, let them in and then started picking off their equipment piece by piece, leaving the infantry behind to fend for themselves. And if you are an infantryman on the ground, there's only so much weight you can carry, it's really right around 100 pounds and it has been for a thousand years. And in today's world, that is a couple of days of ammunition, water, and food.
Starting point is 00:40:53 And after that point, you are in a really bad spot. and following the arc, you know, of the invasion of curse, the Ukrainian advances, obviously, they petered out. They ran out of equipment. They started to run an ammunition. They started to take stiffer and stiffer resistance. And then, in effect, their positions were fixed, became obvious. And then came under a tremendous amount of indirect fire of airstrikes, missile strikes, artillery. And now you're seeing, you know, the result.
Starting point is 00:41:24 why we keep supporting this is a great question. However, on the battlefield, once someone is engaged, particularly in a conventional fight like this, it is very difficult to disengage and just leave. Particularly when, in my opinion, the Russians have seen a very great opportunity to wrap this thing up. I wouldn't say it's the total remit,
Starting point is 00:41:54 of American equipment, but it's the preponderance. It is, it is, you know, they're handed golden opportunity to take all this stuff out to eliminate what remains of a NATO cadre on the ground. And then once those guys are gone, who is behind them to, to stop a Russian counterattack? And historically, this area is a spot that the Russian army is incredibly familiar with. the first battle of curse now, which used to be the battle of curse, you know, happened roughly in the same area. And it was actually strikingly similar in many ways, not always, but in many ways to what's going on, where the Germans attack into a defense in depth.
Starting point is 00:42:40 They eventually, you know, ran out of equipment and fuel to conduct their offensive. and this was the cream of what remained of the German army in 1943, particularly the cream of their equipment, the new Tiger tank, Panther tanks, some of their best armored units. And once they were checked and stopped, they were counter-attacked from Kirste down through Sumi, which we may very well see coming up.
Starting point is 00:43:11 So, you know, on the one hand, this is a complicated, a very complicated, situation where I would have liked to have seen, you know, some guidance from the executive branch in the United States, whether it's Department of State or DOD, to say, hey, don't do this. And once they engage to say, break this off and come back. But like I said previously, you know, once troops are in contact, you know, it's very difficult to do that. Just do very good things to say about this. Firstly, you have described exactly the Russian tactics that the Russian group of forces that is fighting in Kusk are describing every day.
Starting point is 00:43:52 They actually provide a very, very interesting website every day, a bullet in every day, which they describe exactly the things that you've been saying. And they've been making it very clear, for example, that in engaging the Ukrainians, their major priority target was the armor, to destroy the armored forces and to leave the men. the Ukrainian soldiers to fight on foot. And this is all there. It's all there.
Starting point is 00:44:21 It's all in the open. You can find it on their telegram channel. And you can get it translated. And it's all straightforwardly set out. And by the way, on the first battle, of course, the Russians made a massive feature film about it in the 60s in response to the American film about The Longest Day, about D-Day.
Starting point is 00:44:40 They were very annoyed with their films. So they decided that they were going to make one about the back. battle of Kusk, which tells you how important that battle is in the Russian national view. Now, while all that's been going on in Kusk, and I think, by the way, your analysis is spot on. It's exactly what the Russians are doing. It's exactly what they're thinking. And if you look at the forces they deployed in Kusk, by the way, a very heavy emphasis on the Russian side on special forces units, which again isn't quite brought out, perhaps, in some of the Western discussion, but the kind of forces that you would expect to deploy if they were fighting in the way
Starting point is 00:45:22 that you just described. Now, but that's not the only place where the war is being played out. We have, I think, dramatic developments in Dombas, and one of the stories that's coming out, there's this extraordinary Ukrainian MP. I'd say courageous Ukrainian MP. I know many people won't agree with me. Mariana Bezuglia, she's going from one place to another where the fighting is. And she's saying, where are the fortifications? Where are the minefields?
Starting point is 00:45:55 We haven't got any. Nobody's been thinking about building fortifications and minefields. And I'm sure you've been reading these articles that have been appearing in CNN and other places. Ukrainian soldiers saying they're outnumbered, they're outgunned, they're demoralized, they're being hit all the time, because that advice that you and George Bee gave a year ago still isn't being followed. There's been no attempt to do any of the things that you suggested then. What is your comment about this? Because events in Donbass now, especially, appear to be taking a very dramatic term. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:46:43 And I think this goes back to something we covered a little bit earlier in the show, Alex, which is that Ukrainians are banking more and more every day. And if you look at the range of their escalation, attacking Moscow, attacking the nuclear radar sites a couple months ago, They are banking and increasing and are increasingly desperate for NATO to become involved. That doesn't excuse the fact that they have not kept their own house in order and have prepared defense and been preparing defensive lines. That would seem to be the absolute natural thing to do.
Starting point is 00:47:19 But, you know, then then you have to get into the corruption within Ukraine. It was the most corrupt country in Europe prior to this war. It was known for money laundering, embezzlement, gun running. It's a main reason they haven't been admitted into NATO previously, despite, you know, other than the fact that they would immediately spark a Russian invasion, which happened anyways, if that had happened. But, you know, it's, I think that gets overlooked. And quite frankly, I mean, there might be something going on behind the scenes that, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:57 we really don't have eyes on and aren't privy to. It's just the fact that there are very few Ukrainian men left. There's hundreds of thousands of casualties. So who's going to operate the equipment to dig trench lines? You know, it's engineering units, you know, require a tremendous amount of men who are needed on the front line. I was reading an article last night where, you know, the Ukrainian military saying they're down to putting their logistics people into trench lines. And if you're putting your logistic folks
Starting point is 00:48:33 in a trench, it means that you are seriously outnumbered on the battlefield. You are having a horrific time because you are sacrificing the ability to resupply your units and keep them in the fight as a matter of desperation. And an example of when the United States did this, a good example, is actually the battle of the bulge, or conversely, the Pusan perimeter in Korea, where there was such a desperate situation. They took every clerk, cook, logistics individual from Britain into the bulge or from Japan into the Pusan perimeter, they could muster as an act of absolute desperation. The fact that they're not doing this does not bode well. I've seen reports in both Kirst, and I'm sure it's the same in Donbass where the majority of the fighting men, the fighting units are very much forward.
Starting point is 00:49:31 I think there's some debate about that in Kirst. But they're up front and everybody, there's a huge gap in the rear. And if the Russians manage to break through Kursk or break through another area, they could in effect, it can end this war very quickly, in my opinion. And I hope they do because if nothing else, it's just the, it's time for the bloodshed to stop. I'm going to ask you one last question, which is about my own country, which is Britain, because I don't understand what has taken hold of us here. But you worked in Washington. You've been in the Senate.
Starting point is 00:50:09 You helped, I think, one particular senator. You were on the staff of one particular senator. What are people in Washington saying about us in London? I mean, we seem to be determined to be, as we say, as the friend. say more royal than the king. We're pressing the United States all the time to get itself deeper and deeper into this crisis in Ukraine. Aren't people in Washington starting to question this and say to themselves, what are the British up to? Why are we listening to them? Are we in fact even listening to them? I mean, what is going on with Britain? And what do Americans, what are Americans
Starting point is 00:50:50 the political class and wider Americans, because I'm worried, by the way, that eventually there's going to be a backlash against us in the United States when this goes wrong, not if, when it goes wrong. What are people in the US saying about this? We have no military to speak of anymore. We're down to 40 operational tanks, apparently, seven warships. I mean, this is the state we're in the British Navy, the Royal Navy, you know, the rule of the seas, Lord Nelson and all that. we're down to seven warships. And we are egging the Americans all the time to take ever greater risks. I mean, what do people in the U.S. think about this? What do people in the military in the U.S. think about this? So quite frankly, Alex, I don't believe that Americans or the
Starting point is 00:51:41 political class have a full grasp of how far, you know, we are being pushed by Great Britain. You know, that's just kind of the bottom line. This has been embraced as a as a crusade of the political class in Washington, D.C. You know, everywhere you turn, somebody's got a Ukrainian pin on, you know, Kamala Harris bragging that, you know, she has supported, you know, she is responsible for the Ukrainians' current situation, you know, and it's shade it is like, you know, I have stopped the Russians from getting to Kiev, not that I have. enabled the slaughter of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of their citizens and something is ultimately pointless. And there's another component to this, which is, I think, a little more delicate. It's that Americans don't have a grasp really of their own recent history, let alone the historical arc, which I believe leads Great Britain into having somewhat of a Russia phobia, a long-term one.
Starting point is 00:52:44 and you all have been dealing with them since at least the great game, if not before, and it's been a chess match. I've talked to different people, some of whom are on the ground over there right now, saying that, yeah, the SAS was, you know, involved from day one of the Russian invasion into Ukraine. The airfield, it's, I'm going to butcher the name, but outside of Amstahl, the major fight where the Russian airborne came in. Gostomel, Gostomel, I think. Gostomel.
Starting point is 00:53:18 Yeah, yeah. I apologize to any Russian-Ukrainian speakers out there. But, yeah, they were primarily responsible for the defense there. They were some of the first guys firing javelins at the Russians as they came across the border. But there is, we're once again letting a, I wouldn't say a client state. You guys gave birth the United States, but we have been senior partner since at least World War. or the end of it, you know, drive the policy because we have had an absolute lack of a national interest or a direction in our foreign policy for at least 30 years. And it's a series of political
Starting point is 00:53:57 opportunities, I believe cynically, to stay strong, or to appear strong on the campaign trail, to appear strong on a podium talking before your peers in Congress. The American people, the The attitude of the American people is, generally speaking, they do not want this war. They have not wanted this war. They don't understand why. But in terms of a backlash against Great Britain, I don't believe there ever really will be one because people just don't know enough to really make that consideration. Jim Webb, thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Thank you for your clear and full answers to my various questions. I'm going to hand over to Alex. I'm sure he's got questions to ask. Yeah, thank you. James, you got some time for some questions? Absolutely. Awesome. From Rises, one second, let me put it up here.
Starting point is 00:54:52 How will the Kremlin respond towards the U.S. when the long-range missiles strike deep into Russia? It's an excellent question. I hope they continue to do what they've been doing, which is strike on the periphery, kind of focus their ire on the Ukrainians themselves and bring a close to the war. You saw that response after the evasion of Kursk.
Starting point is 00:55:15 There was a lot of fear inside the United States and inside the veteran and military community that we would be targeted specifically around the world. We've got Russian operations bumping up against us in Syria and Africa. But what I think they're going to do is they're going to absolutely hammer Ukraine. They're going to keep raising the temperature on their response towards them in order to in effect, create that buffer state that they were talking about from day one. If you push the Ukrainians back far enough, those weapon systems can't hit any real city the Russians care about.
Starting point is 00:55:56 From 2005, just 2005, the only thing that Russia will run out of is museum floor space for Western equipment. So where do you think the idea came from that Russia will run out of steam? Was it poor intel, propaganda, or copium? Let's go with copium and propaganda, just straight up. It's one of those things that you have to keep pumping into the political and media bloodstream in order to continue to justify what's going on. I've been saying this from the first couple months of the war, where if the American public
Starting point is 00:56:34 understood the amount of death and destruction that our policy has. has wrought on that country and has rot on Ukrainian people, then there would be an uproar in the United States that would potentially end this war within a week, at least our participation in it. There would be a massive push towards a political settlement. All right, from Ralph Steiner. If NATO Army Group South collapses, can the British challenger tank divisions fighting at Kursk be counted on to fight intact back to the Polish border? Well, I mean, looking at the map the other night, I don't think many of the Ukrainian troops in that curse pocket now are getting out. They're going to have to walk out. And if they drive out, it's across open fields. There's no roads.
Starting point is 00:57:26 I also don't think that there's going to be a fight all the way to the Polish border. I don't think that was ever the intent of the Russians to begin with. If you go back to Putin's statements as to why he invaded. He said the same thing a number of times. And it blows my mind that that's not out in the U.S. media more. There's never a discussion about, hey, here's the intent of our enemy. This is what they want to do. How do we counter that, right?
Starting point is 00:57:58 Their intent is to destroy and kill off the Ukrainian army and its ability to make war. And then to create a buffer state where, you know, our missiles aren't. or our, well, NATO missiles, I wouldn't say, especially the United States, cruise missiles and the like, don't have the ability to reach Moscow and reach other places. And that's what they're after.
Starting point is 00:58:20 So, one, those challenger tanks are gone. Two, there's not going to be a fight at the Polish border. Yeah. From Samuel Maroni, hi, guys. Can you estimate losses KIA and irretrievable wounded on both sides? How can Russia have more losses? if it has a 4-1 advantage in firepower. That's an excellent point.
Starting point is 00:58:45 I can't estimate losses. I can only analyze what I read and try to find some veracity in it. I think a great place to start, though, with Ukrainian losses is to take a look at the number of rounds of conscription they've had. And then the subsequent videos of people being conscripted, beaten into conscription. You know, you don't have that if things are going well. The United States took, you know, 250,000 dead, I believe, during the Second World War.
Starting point is 00:59:17 You know, and, you know, you didn't have to force anybody to do anything. All right. Let's do one more for Jim and also for Alexander. This is a quick question from Matthew. Alexander, Jim, World War III or not World War III, where are we? heading. I sincerely hope not World War III. I don't think we are in World War III yet, despite what people say, we're not fighting directly. There's no great global clash at the moment. I think there is still enough sanity left in the United States, which is a country that would have to fight World War
Starting point is 01:00:04 three to prevent it happening. And I can absolutely say the Russians don't want it. And I do the Chinese want it. So I don't think we are in World War III. What we are in is a major and, in my opinion, ultimately unnecessary geopolitical clash, because I think that all of the differences between the great powers can be negotiated. I don't think we have to be in this situation where we are in this period of extreme confrontation that we are seeing. Now, I don't think this is World War III, but we are in a geopolitical clash. And geopolitical clashes can be extremely dangerous. We see this in Ukraine.
Starting point is 01:00:50 We potentially see this in Taiwan and the South China Sea and in the Middle East and all of those things. But if there is a decision made, as I remember in the late 60s and 1970s, with the Daytona process at that time, to try to find a way out. And that, by the way, started as a consequence, as a product of the Cuban missile crisis. I mean, this shocked the Americans. It shocked the Russians. And they started to try and look for a way through.
Starting point is 01:01:25 If you do that, then I think you can actually surprisingly quickly get back to a period of stabilization. It's not happening because for the moment, there's so much emotion and so much anger and so many vested interests that seem determined instead to ramp things up and take us to potentially very dangerous places. Anyway, that's what I wanted to say. We'll see what Jim said. Yeah, I agree with Alexander on this.
Starting point is 01:01:56 I also don't think, you know, to take that step further, you need willing parties to engage in that. You also need the capabilities to engage in that, the military capabilities. So primarily the willing partner part of it. The U.S. military does not want to fight in Russia. I even have my two-year-old daughter. She says, like, what do we not do? We don't invade Russia. She'll yell it.
Starting point is 01:02:20 It's cute and it's funny, but it's also true. The Chinese have absolutely no interest at this time, in my opinion, of, you know, despite all the hyperbole and the madness of invading Taiwan, because, quite frankly, they don't need to. And if you read Sun Tsu, the entire objective of that book, in my opinion, is to defeat your enemy before you get to the battlefield. And it's not defeat him on the battlefield, you know, but you've broken him down beforehand. It's you don't want to fight him. And if we are their adversary, we're doing an absolutely fantastic job of defeating ourselves.
Starting point is 01:03:01 We have $35 trillion in debt for starters. We have a military that's hollowed out, and that gets into the third point with the United States. Our military does not have the capability to be able to, A, project the amount of combat power on the ground, short of nuclear weapons, which I don't think anybody wants to do, to fight the Russians, let alone the Russians and the Chinese at the same time. So I don't think the will is there. I don't think the intent from the Russians and the Chinese is there. So as Alex was saying, this is a gigantic, unfortunate kerfuffle, which can be overcome, you know, with time. All right, Jim, one more question from Rundle from Amir Ash. Why is it anyone stating the obvious?
Starting point is 01:03:48 The U.S. knows fully well Ukraine can't win. The only thing stopping them admitting this is good old-fashioned pride and embarrassment. Do you think this is true? I think it's completely true. You know, it's why we keep changing the goalposts on what success looks like. And what I think there are many in Washington, you know, who aren't in DOD and aren't on the operational side of the intelligence world, who think that we are actually bleeding the Russian military out. And the longer we keep this going, you know, the better we will be positioned post-war. So the objective is to weaken them as much as possible.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Unfortunately, what you're seeing is a completely reconstituted Russian military industrial complex, a rise in Russian nationalism. If you take a look at the volunteer enlistment numbers in the Russian military over different periods of time, they're fielding what, like a battalion a week, I think it was, like a thousand guys. And that went up during the invasion of Kursk. So it's having a counterintuitive, counterfactual type of result. But yeah, I would love it if, you know, somebody up there had the gumption to just stand up and say, hey, we made a really bad mistake. This needs to stop. And we're willing to talk it out.
Starting point is 01:05:11 It would be well received. And it would be completely congruent with the way the United States has built its reputation, particularly post World War II, you know, as a negotiator, as a peacemaker. So we'll see you, though. Fantastic. Jim Webb. Thank you very much. That was a great live stream.
Starting point is 01:05:36 I have your link to Twitter in the description box down below and I will add it as a comment. Thank you, Jim, for everything. Hey, thank you guys. Thank you very much, Jim. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Take care. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Alexander, let's knock out the remaining questions. No. Yeah? Let me pull up. Yes, absolutely. Okay. Hold on sec. Everyone is complimenting you, Alexander, by the way.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Everyone's saying that you look really dapper, really good today. That's what the chat is say. All right. Ricardo Alfonso says Putin should demand India and Brazil become guarantors for Ukraine as conditions for talks. Yeah, I think that's quite quite plausibly. By the way, I've been talking a lot about the irritation of the Russians feel with the Brazilians and the Indians, which Lavrov was quite clear about in statements that he made. I've discussed all of this on my channel.
Starting point is 01:06:39 He had a major meeting yesterday with the National Security Advisor of Brazil, Lula's National Security Advisor, So all the national security advisors at the BRIC states are currently in Moscow, by the way. They were in St. Petersburg and then they took the train and they came to Moscow and they met Putin. And then Lavrov took the Brazilian to one side and had a one-to-one meeting with him. And it's not difficult to guess what they talked about because the Russians have given us a readout and they say it's about Ukraine. So we can guess what the Russians were telling the Brazilians. But again, Zelensky has made things easy for the United. Russians because he's come out today and he's made some unbelievably rude comments about China
Starting point is 01:07:28 and Brazil. He said that the Brazilians are being really unhelpful. They're saying all sorts of terrible things. They're making joint statements that are destructive. So people who have been trying objectively to help him, he bites their hand. So, I mean, you know, Lavrov must ask himself, This is Zeletsky is the gift that gives on giving because he just makes Lavros job so much easier. Yeah, because he's an arrogant, spoiled actor. That's why. He's not a diplomat. He's not a statesman.
Starting point is 01:08:07 He's an actor. Studio Reiner says Turkey comes out and says Crimea belongs to Ukraine. Europe is becoming the Ottoman Empire. Yeah, I think the reason for this, by the way, I mean, this is Erdogan. It's exactly what Erdogan does. It's exhausting. It's boring, frankly. But you see, Erdogan has just recently applied to join the bricks.
Starting point is 01:08:29 So he applies to join the bricks. He's what he does one week. And then, of course, he says to himself, well, I've got to show the Russians. And it's always the Russians because he has this big thing with Putin. He likes and respects Putin. He hates and fears Putin, both at the same time. So he has to kick back and be rude and annoying to the Russians
Starting point is 01:08:49 and goes out of his way to annoy them by talking about Crimea and the way that he does. The Russians don't like it, but they've learned to just shrug their shoulders and pay no attention. And it's working out quite well for them. Exactly, exactly. Nikos KN.125 says, I saw Michael Z. got his interview with Newland, and it was one of the most vile things I've ever seen, not because of Newland, but because of him. The fact that this guy is Russian, and he is OK promoting the second worst person in America and people like her who destroyed his country is vile.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Well, that, I'm afraid, is typical of an awful lot of Russian liberals. I have to say that. I mean, they have an extraordinary attitude towards their country. Sometimes, I mean, it really borders on extraordinary degree of hatred and self-hatred, which is difficult to understand. By the way, I watched that interview, and I was stunned by how brazen Newland actually was. I mean, I, you know, I get, call me naive.
Starting point is 01:09:56 But I thought that she'd at least try and veil or pretend to veil some of the things that she wanted to say. No, no, not at all. I mean, it's, you know, she wants Ukraine to be wholly armed. You know, the America's wrecked Istanbul. It's all there. She wants to take credit for the chaos. Nikos, Kei and Yen.
Starting point is 01:10:18 one two five says, why people can't blame America for the things they did? You have Pierce Morgan promoting World War III and how okay he is with sending his son to fight. Maybe World War III is inevitable. Maybe America is just too powerful. But we kind of answered the World War III. I think we've answered it. I mean, I'm not much too bad. I mean, Pierce Morgan is not something we should take especially seriously.
Starting point is 01:10:41 I certainly don't. All I will say about Pierce Morgan is that he ought to perhaps learn from a far great, British person who was Rudyard Kipling, the poet, the poet of empire, a great supporter of empire. And when the First World War broke out, he got his son into the British army and forced he son to go and fight in the First World War. And of course, the son got killed. And Rudyard Kipling never forgave himself. He went into a massive decline from which he never recovered. I doubt that Pierce Morgan has quite the sensibilities that Kipling did.
Starting point is 01:11:18 But I think you should just take note of that and remember what happened. Brett D. says Russia has 57,000 kilometers a border. Anyone can invade it, but it's the Hotel California of European armies. They can check in any time they like, but they'll never leave. Kursk will cost Ukraine the war. Absolutely. I think you're completely right. Absolutely, Brett.
Starting point is 01:11:41 Yeah. Sanjava says, greetings, Duran, and thank you for all that you do. Hello, Sanjava. and thank you for that. Willem is a new member in the drag community. Welcome, William. Matthew says, it's not just realistic to think that there will be World War III.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Not only is there a risk of mutually assured destruction, but the Western knows that it might be worse in that Russia would come out best. Ralph Steiner says, Lord, David Lammy in Kiev said to Blinken, well, as you know, I always felt we tried to go a bridge too far, Kursk. Can the Brits still reach Arnhem? I think you're right to bring up all of these things. More relevant where Britain is concerned is that the British army was sent to Iraq
Starting point is 01:12:28 and the Americans had to come to its rescue in Basra. And then the British army was sent by Blair to fight in Afghanistan. And the Americans had to come to its rescue in Helmand. After all that, one would expect some humility from the British, just saying. From Ralph Steiner, will the Britain Yanks be able to rebuild their Mech and Tank divisions after Kursk this winter and be able to launch a fresh drive on Moscow next summer? No, it's the short answer. I mean, I was reading about Germany, which of course still has a much bigger industrial base than Britain. And it will take them apparently till 2066 on current rates of production.
Starting point is 01:13:18 production to rebuild their military to the level that it was before the war began. The British is hopeless. They couldn't do it. The Russians apparently could re-equit the entire Bundesphere, the German military, every six months, on the basis of what they're producing now. That's the difference. Alexander Cicelast, thank you for that super sticker. 674-351. Thank you for that super sticker.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Ralph Steiner says, the Yankewarm. Americans did rather well against goat herders in the Middle East. What difficulties have the Americans encountered on the Russian front? Well, the Russians, the Russian war is a completely different one. I mean, you're up against a peer military, which of course the Americans haven't fought basically since the Second World War. I'm just saying, I mean, the closest they got through it was in Korea and Vietnam. But even there, it wasn't quite the same. Salilla, thank you for that super sticker. John Scott says Ukraine will prevail.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Ralph Steiner says the Americans seem unfazed with the passing of millions of Slavs for their banker empire. Will only a mushroom cloud exchange on USA finally end this? I mean, do you remember what Jeffrey Sachs said to him said to us on that live stream we did with him yesterday? Somebody asked him, do they care? He's talking now specifically about the political class. Not about ordinary, decent people who go about their lives.
Starting point is 01:14:48 They would be shocked. I agree, by the way, with Jim Webb about this. They would be horrified if they knew what was going on. The political class, does it ever enter into their minds to think about the fact that all of these people are dying? Never does. They never talk about it. Arcane eclectic says, at John Scott is a spammer. He does this everywhere.
Starting point is 01:15:09 Mirjana Gabrilovich, thank you for that super sticker. Stephen Hayes says at Ralph Steiner. Yes, Blinken is unbound. Whatever has happened in history, but guided by his mental history and conditioning will try his best to make a more serious conflict occur. Yeah, absolutely. Blinken has the genius of taking a bad situation and making it worse. That's what he does.
Starting point is 01:15:35 Yeah, the reverse might as touch. Tim Gibson. Thank you for that super sticker. Ralph Steiner says, Lord David Linden, Lamy speaking with British HQ in Kiev and Lord Boris Johnson says that the British boys are to push on at Kursk. Can they get there? I think the Russian response would be bring them off. That's, I'd be quite delighted if they came, attempted to come on to Kursk. I mean, this is, I mean, I don't know what Lammie is thinking. Frankly, if you know anything about David Lammy, you know that he's, well, let's put it like this.
Starting point is 01:16:13 He's not the sharpest knife in the draw, not by any stretch. So I don't know what he's thinking and I don't know what he's telling people in Kiev or what he's telling the military there. But as far as I'm concerned, this whole Coast Corporation, whoever was behind it, it might have had some British input, has already proved a design. It was a disaster from the first moment that he began. It clearly failed within the first five days. And the way you know that it's a disaster is because Zelensky has come out and made another comment today about how the Russians are now on the offensive. And that means that everything is going according to Zelensky's plan.
Starting point is 01:17:02 When he talks like that, you know it's a disaster. He said that. He actually said that. military advice from from lammy and boris johnson yeah that's that's going to work out well uh laura g says would you say that russians are using maybe 20 percent of their brain power to outstratage nato i don't know i mean i the thing to say about this is that the russians have a profound knowledge of war i mean he's very very ingrained in their society Because they've had to fight so many.
Starting point is 01:17:39 And of course, every single Russian family is affected by the experience of the Second World War. And every single Russian family thinks about war in ways that we simply do not do in the West. And if you're talking about the higher leadership, in contrast to what we were hearing about the United States, where the politicians don't speak to the soldiers. In Russia, they do. Good point. from Andrew Novak. Saboteurs run the U.S.
Starting point is 01:18:13 This is much too consistent to chalk up to ineptitude. Abbenoza, thank you for that super sticker. Stephen Hay says, at Ralph Steiner, yes, it's no accident that the CIA and MI6 made a disinfo statement leading into Blinken and Lammy promo for USA, UK missile strikes, interstrategic, Russian space, and World War III. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, the other thing that those two, the Bill Burns, and I forget the name of the British guy, were talking about, I mean, they were again talking about, more, more Richard Moore, that they were talking about an insurgency again.
Starting point is 01:18:49 All that awful, horrible idea is now coming back. We just goes to show that these people cannot give up. No reverse gear, yeah. No reverse gear. The black cat, thank you for that super sticker. Elza says fortifications built by the Ukraine government. are surrounding their luxury private property bought all around the world. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:19:12 Ralph Steider says, does Baldrick have a cutting plan for Ukraine? I'm sure he does. You follow that series. The point about Baldricks' cunning plans was that they never exist. You never see any sign of them. Stephen Hayes says at Mark Takman, U.S. UK, UK is acting strange, as in USA, the Netanyahu jobs grabbed the steering wheel via PNAC mega donors.
Starting point is 01:19:45 Yeah, I think that's fair enough. Sophisticated caveman says India and Brazil won't support Russia annexing another country's capital Kiev, not a good precedent. It'll fracture bricks. Thoughts in my office. I think that's probably true. I don't think that the Russians will do that straight away. My own guest, this is, now look, this is pure, pure guess work on my part. I think the Russians will capture Dombas.
Starting point is 01:20:11 They'll probably push to the Nipa. They will take capture, recapture Zaporosia. They'll cross the NEPA and capture Herzl. This is all assuming there are no negotiations. And then I think what is going to happen is that Putin is going to issue, in effect, an ultimatum to the Ukrainians and say, look, We've achieved our military objectives. Now you sit down and talk and agree to the rest of Istanbul Plus. And if you don't, then we will continue the war.
Starting point is 01:20:43 And we will continue the war until we get a Ukrainian government that listens to what we have to say. And I think that the outcome then will be that the Russians will move on, Kiev, but they won't annex this territory. They will try to engineer the creation of a new government, they can negotiate with. So that's going to play out over time. But I think the Russians are not going to go directly from where they are now to outright annexation, partly for the very reason that you just said.
Starting point is 01:21:23 Alexander Poyev says, at what point will the US accept that they can no longer maintain their world presence? Well, I think there will come a point. either when there's been a major geopolitical defeat and Ukraine is going to be a major geopolitical defeat but it may not be sufficiently big but either that will happen a sort of shock event like the Cuban missile crisis or the fall of Saigon
Starting point is 01:21:51 or alternatively a major crisis in the US economy and that is not to be excluded at all as we all know Stephen Hayes says when Ukraine collapses will Christiana Ampur post live from the Polish border with flak vest when line of contact is 1,000 kilometers away? I would not be at all surprised. In fact, one might even predict it. John O'Brien says,
Starting point is 01:22:17 how much provable reserves of gasoline does Russia have within its borders? Oh, I think I'm limited. I mean, people always coming up and talking about, oh, I mean, if you want me to tell you exact figures, I don't know some. But whatever figures you see floating around, they're almost certainly underestimates. That's what I've discovered.
Starting point is 01:22:41 Russian oil reserves, I'm talking about reserves of oil that's underground, are certainly understated, just as same. Sherry, thank you for that super sticker. East-West Amity says total Russian victory is inevitable. Merkiris, you're a meme all over. over the pro-Russian side of Fortune, comfy happening in Ukraine thread. We love you over there from an American good day. Studio Reiner says Ukraine has been a great distraction from Israel. Do you think Hirsk was just to distract?
Starting point is 01:23:20 I don't think so. I don't think it was just to distract. I think that it was a last death. were it throw the dice to try to reverse the military collapse. That was already underway in Dombas before it happened. Of course, it's accelerated that collapse in Dombas.
Starting point is 01:23:43 But I think that they went into Cusk, hoping desperately that they'd captured the nuclear power plant. I'm convinced that was their objective and that that would somehow short circuit, everything, and that that would somehow somehow turned the tables on the Russians and it didn't work out. And there was no realistic prospect that it would.
Starting point is 01:24:06 And that's putting aside the very real possibility that it was a Russian trap. Harry C. Smith says, I have an inkling. Kremlin comments re unwanted pressure on Russia may be a favor to India, Brazil to get US, EU off their backs a bit. Just a hunch. There may be some element of that. But I don't think so. I think that if you looked at the tone of both Putin's comments and Lavrovs,
Starting point is 01:24:38 it was difficult to avoid sensing the impatience and exasperation that they both felt. Elza says, how about giving back Northern Cyprus for Bricks? Very good idea. Tish M says, sorry, I missed this live stream. Don't forget that Gonzalo predicted that there would be no 2024. Potus elections. Wow. Latimer O says, Alexander,
Starting point is 01:25:06 I am a Russian liberal in the US, but I love Russia with all my heart and hate Cookie Vicky. You're completely right to do. I know, I should make it very clear. Not all Russian liberals. Like, well, I can't remember his name. But I mean, I think you will agree.
Starting point is 01:25:22 You will find some like that. And I know, I've known lots. Most, most Russians that I know, who are my friends are liberals, just to say, and pretty much all of them are deeply patriotic. But you do find some people in Russia, and there's a surprisingly voluble number of them who are exactly, I think, in the way that I described. I don't think this person is uniquely unusual by any means.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Sparky says, build a better world with bricks. Tommy T says, what is the latest with the Ukrainian resistance to forced military service? It seems like we have not heard much of this lately. Well, we see it every day on the television channels and the YouTube channels. Bear in mind all these films that you see of people being manhandled. Somebody's filming. That in itself tells you that there's a lot of resistance. It isn't just that people are resisting.
Starting point is 01:26:26 It's the people are going out of their way to film them. You see incidents where cars are set on fire that belong to the recruiters, that the recruiters are themselves beaten up. There's an awful lot of this going on. Jeff Bickford says, thank you. Summer of 1970 says, great job, guys. Sophisticated caveman says Moldova, Romania reunification is another issue. It is absolutely another issue.
Starting point is 01:26:50 One will discuss it another program because it's an enormous one. Yeah. Sparky says, will Ukrainian NAZI refugees spread, amplify their ideology in their refugee countries? Yes, it's the short answer. And if we start working towards establishing an insurgency, we're not just going to have them here, spreading their ideology. They'll be carrying guns as well. Just think of that. Rockabilly says, finally, some from the USA that understand what a trap, Kursk is or was. By the way, good job on AM, Alexander Bercr's, for being the first to understand it.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Well, I wasn't the first to understand it. I was incredulous when it was first put to me. But it was somebody did write to me about this. And again, I can't disclose what this person was. I have the emails. And he explained how it was done. And he told me an awful lot about the military units that had been deployed to the area that were going to deal with it first. And an awful lot of what he said turned out to be correct. So as I've said many times, when you have information like, that however difficult it is for you to believe it there has to come a point in time when the cumulative evidence simply becomes too strong it becomes absurd to deny the evidence that you're getting all the time but again to repeat Jim Webb sees it others have seen it as well on the military side the military people people like Danny Davis also for example by the way seen to understand
Starting point is 01:28:28 understand this a lot better than the civilians do. Stephen Hay says, Sparky, my friend, good one. Where have you been? I love your support for these channels. Great to have Sparky with us. Stan Lippman says, if D's win, Hillary will be Secretary of State, the real president. Possibly surprised me. Rafael, Raphael says there will be a point when Russia has to fight back.
Starting point is 01:28:54 Oh, yeah. I mean, there will come up. I mean, the Russians do have that eventual red line that they will have to, you know, push back on. We know that because even the Americans, even Jake Sullivan apparently have admitted it. And they say they don't know where this red line is. The Americans pretend they don't know where it is, which is incredibly dangerous, because they're pushing towards a red line that they claim they don't know. where it is. The
Starting point is 01:29:28 irrationality and the recklessness of this is beyond belief. Henry Peltola says, after losing to Russia West ignates Putinist hunt. It ignites Putinist hunt.
Starting point is 01:29:46 Yeah, if you mean that if they will come after Putin and they will try all kinds of means to put him out of the way, I am I'm sure the Russians believe that and are preparing for it. Jetset. That one says, Hello, just want to say that I've been busy on a new project
Starting point is 01:30:05 and that I love you guys. Nice suit, Alexander. Great to have you with us. Thank you. Thank you. Great to have you with us. Gabby Iglesias says, Alex, casate con mego.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Thank you for that. Gabi, let's see. Ralph Steiner says, Alexander, did Kamala beat Mr. T in the debate? did she write? I'm going to take her, by the way, I should say this, three people have discussed this to beg best. One is Robert Barnes.
Starting point is 01:30:35 The other is Matt Taibi. The third is my colleague and friend Alex Christopher. I think you've summed it up brilliantly. I don't think he beat Trump, really. This is my own particular take. I think she was really prepped up to troll Trump and goad him and annoy him as much as she possibly could. But if you actually widdly down
Starting point is 01:30:59 and look at who actually said substantive and concrete things, I think in fact, in the end, it was Trump, actually. And I think that what will happen is that most people across the United States, outside the political class
Starting point is 01:31:15 and the commentary class, I think they're going to be a lot less impressed by all of this display of smoke and mirrors and fire and thunder, that we got from Kamala then, than the commentary at all. I think they'll simply say this person has nothing really today. All that she knows how to do is to go out there and annoy and irritate Donald Trump,
Starting point is 01:31:39 who we know all about anyway. He's been around in politics now for quite a long time, and we've already formed our opinion about it. That was my own view about it. Arcane eclectic says at John Scott, Slava, Russia. Death dealer 1341 says, when will we see Russia go into the Sumi region to push back the long-range missiles from their territory? Well, that will probably be quite soon,
Starting point is 01:32:08 but as I always say, the general staff in Moscow doesn't share its plans with me. Sparky says Modi needs to see someone, perhaps a mystic, to offset the Olensky curse. I'm not normally superstitious, but I'd feel better if he does. Well, I think my own personal view is that I think that the Russians will resolve all of this with Brazil and India. I think this is a spasm that's happening now, but I think they'll be able to work it out with the Indians and the Brazilians. I think with the Indians, the relationship is so strong that it can take this odd knock. With Brazil, it's another matter. I think the Russians are seriously annoyed with Lula and with the Brazilians.
Starting point is 01:32:54 And of course, they've also had issues with them over the Venezuelan election. But in the end, I think Brazil will not want to avoid being part of the Greeks. Not for the moment. Samuel Moroni says, if Ukraine falls, will Poland rush to Leviv? That is a massive question. You know, I've got the sense that the polls have cooled on that idea for all kinds of reasons. From Ralph Steiner, how does Britain find so much money for Ukraine? Very good question.
Starting point is 01:33:31 There is a claim by Alex Kramer and Tom Longer, that in fact, Britain is, one of the reasons Britain is in deep crisis at the moment. And by the way, the sort of ephemeral growth that we were hearing about a few weeks ago has now beaten out. the British economy is hovering again on the brink of recession. But anyway, Kramer and Longer have suggested that the British banks have been giving guarantees for Ukrainian loans. And now that Ukraine has gone into default, these loans, which amount to about 60 billion pounds, not dollars, the British have given guarantees on, and the creditors are banging on their doors for it.
Starting point is 01:34:15 And, of course, if that's true, that, That's a big thing. I haven't heard anything about that here in Britain, but the fact is we don't have money to give to Ukraine. And I think more and more people are getting very annoyed about the fact that our government, whichever party is, seems so obsessively focused on Ukraine. And from Andreas Ferensi says, will the Western public ever understand how much foresight and wisdom, my PM Orban has shown in the crisis and that he actually was Ukraine's only real friend all along. I think that this is widely understood around the world.
Starting point is 01:34:55 The one place it's not understood is in Europe and to some extent in Washington. All right. That is everything. Alexander. Final thoughts as I do. First of all, outstanding line. Can I just say? and the comments we got were really stellar today.
Starting point is 01:35:16 So a wonderful guest, wonderful comments, a great live stream all together. This is the tipping point. I would not be surprised, by the way. Jim Webb is right. And if we see the end come much faster now than some people expect. I still think it will drag on to 2025. But the whole thing is beginning to look as if he's holding together,
Starting point is 01:35:37 you know, with sellotape, basically. The whole Ukraine project is, just coming apart. So it looks to me. Exactly. All right. So we will end it there. Thank you to everyone that watched us on
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