The Duran Podcast - Xi, Putin and Trump meeting? Kallas trashes China

Episode Date: July 26, 2025

Xi, Putin and Trump meeting? Kallas trashes China

All right, Alexander, let's talk about what is happening between China and the United States and the ongoing tariff dispute between the United States and China. And now we have the looming threat from the Trump administration that 100% tariffs will be placed on China if China continues to support Russia. So how is China dealing with all of this? Also, you have the European Union threats against China as well, Kayakalas's threats against China as well, also connected to Russia. What's China doing? Well, based on their public statements, which have been extremely clear and very, very forthright, they're saying that they're going to push back very hard, that they are not going to change their policies,

that they're not going to waver in their friendship with. Russia that they're not going to stop buying Russian oil in gas. In fact, the Russian energy minister was in China and did deals, more deals with China on the 18th of July, signed off on more deals to jointly develop oil and gas projects. There was a ferocious editorial about this in global times, basically saying that this is completely unacceptable behavior from the United States. I can, the Europeans as well. And NATO saying straightforwardly that the entire cause of the conflict was the eastward expansion of NATO.

And I don't get the sense that the Chinese are showing any degree of willingness to be flexible or to shift their position on this topic at all. And other commentary that's appearing apparently reminding everybody, the China has just done two agreements with the United States. States, negotiated first in Geneva and London. These tariffs, if they're ever imposed, would tear up those agreements, which would destroy economic trust, any remaining residual economic trust between China and the United States. And the Chinese have been tightening controls further on exports of rare earths. There's been a campaign, which has been covered recently. in the Chinese media and which was also reported in the Financial Times that apparently there was some illicit exports of rare earths from China. The Chinese authorities got wind of that and

have clamped down on it, which to me looks like preparations by China to again stop exports of rare earths if we get back into the kind of trade war situation. We saw with the United States in March and April and which Trump's secondary tariffs appear to be threatening. So what is China doing with regards to the European Union and their threats? They're taking exactly the same extremely hard line. I got a lot of information about the meeting between Kayakales and Wang Yi, which took place a few, about two weeks ago now, the one where Wang Yi is supposed to have told Kaya Kallas, that China will not allow Russia to be defeated in Ukraine.

It went on for four hours. It apparently got extremely heated. And at one point, Callas got so angry that she was gesturing and knocked over a cup of coffee on the table. and it spilled onto Wangyi's cuff, he's, onto his suit. And apparently, Kayakales had to spend an awful lot of time trying to get Wangyi to agree to a photo shoot afterwards,

which normally happens after meetings. He said that if there was going to be such a thing, the Europeans needed to withdraw their particular sanctions threats against certain individuals, Chinese individuals, which Kayakales had made over the course of the meeting. And Kayakales said that the Europeans would call off that sanctions threat and the photo shoot took place. The Chinese apparently were already telling themselves that Kayakales and the Europeans were lying.

And sure enough, the... individuals and companies in question were all included in the 18th package of sanctions, and apparently it's all over the Chinese media. Do you think that's true? Yeah, I believe it's true. Yeah? Because the EU isn't saying anything about that. They're making it out as if Kayakalas was insulted by China, or that China was telling

Kayakalus that were going to protect Russia no matter what? Firstly, in any... They're making her out to be the victim. They're making her out to be the type of victim. In any discussion, in any discussion of what happened in a meeting, whether the source is Chinese or the source is European, I'm sorry to say this. I would never have said this once upon a time, but now I prefer the Chinese account of the European one.

That's the first thing to say. But secondly, does it in the end ultimately matter? The point is this, relations between the European Union and China are at rock bottom. You only have to go to the Chinese media to see this. You only have to go to the European media to see this as well. The Chinese are furious with the Europeans. They find them extremely unwilling to address their concerns. These go far beyond the topic of Ukraine.

there's been a steady deterioration in relations between the European Union and China over the last five years. The days when Merkel used to come to Beijing with large delegations of German business people are long over. So my own sense is that the situation between China and the European Union is deteriorating. And I don't get the sense of the Chinese have any illusions on this score at all and are in no mood to make concessions. Do you think we're going to get this three-party superpower meeting in September, China, Russia and the United States? Russia's confirmed that they're going to be there. Yes. I don't think an official invite.

Officially, I don't think we have a statement. an invite has been sent to the United States. Though I imagine China will invite Trump, I would guess, but what are your thoughts? So this is all over again Chinese media. I mean, I say Chinese media. I should make it clear, I mean, Chinese social media, which I now am getting quite a lot of information about what is there. But there's been a lot of discussion that this is going to be the 80th anniversary of

victory over Japan in September. a victory for China, because of course, China, for China, the Second World War began in 1937 when Japan attacked China and continued until September, 1945, when Japan eventually surrendered. So this is the Chinese Second World War, which people in the West don't know very much about. Now, Putin is invited and has confirmed he's going, and this is well known. It's well established, he's on his way to China at that time. Now, the Chinese have been making signals that if the relationship between themselves and the United States is to come back on track, then they would love, they would like Trump to come. And there have been hints that if he does

come, they will facilitate a meeting between him and Putin and that we could actually even have a three-pound meeting, China, Russia, the United States, the three superpowers of today. There has been no official invitation because there's been no hint from the United States that Donald Trump himself is willing to go. So, but one gets the sense that the Chinese who still want to reestablish some kind of dialogue would like to see it happen. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think Trump intends to go. And as has been pointed out to me, one of the interesting things about the 50-day time

limit is that it ends at roughly the time when the Chinese celebrations for Victory Day are supposed to begin. Why would Trump not go? Like, what would be the reasoning? I mean, I would think that he would jump at that opportunity. You would have thought so. You would have thought so. But of course, if he's intending to him slap 100% tariffs on China, then he can't

very well go, can he? I mean, that's the trouble. Right, right. Okay. Even if you were going to slap tariffs, even if he were, wouldn't it be better for him to go? Absolutely. Dialogue face to face.

Talk this out. Absolutely. You would have thought so an opportunity to meet Putin and see. I mean, I mean, a JFK might have done it. I mean, you need to thought so. I do think Trump will do it. I think that he will feel very, very awkward in that sort of situation. There's no indication from the United States that says that he is indeed planning to go

to China for these celebrations. And what I've heard is that the Russians say that they've had no information. Peskov actually commented about these rumors. He said that the Russians have received absolutely no information that the Americans are indeed thinking of coming, that Trump is indeed thinking of coming to Beijing to attend these celebrations at that time. If over the next few weeks we hear that he is indeed going, then that will mark another sudden shift and maybe will be a sign that he's relenting on the tariffs and perhaps that he's

going to stand up finally to Lindsay Graham and Bloom and Toll, but I don't expect it. Do you think Putin and Xi would, do you think Putin would welcome Trump being there? It's not for him to choose. Right. I mean, I don't think. Oh, yes, I think he would meet. I mean, I think he would meet. I don't think he would be, I don't think he wants to meet Trump at this time.

I think he's worried that the expectations management of such a meeting would be very difficult for the Russians at this time. But against that, if the Chinese invite Trump to Beijing and Putin is committed to going to Beijing and couldn't possibly stay away, then if Trump does come to Beijing, then of course he will meet Trump. Right. Okay, we will end the video there. The duran. Dotlocal.com. We are on Rumble Odyssey, but shoot, telegram, Rockfinner X. Go to the Duran shop. Pick up some merch.

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