The Duran Podcast - Zaluzhny Blasts Zelensky, Kursk Disaster
Episode Date: September 22, 2024Zaluzhny Blasts Zelensky, Kursk Disaster ...
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All right, Alexander. Let's talk about Zelensky and Solutioni. We're back at this again,
uh, Zoletsky and Solutioni. So Zillusioni accompanied Lami, the foreign secretary and Blinken on their
recent trip to Kiev. Solutioni was there. And Politico, the other day, they run an article,
which claims that the debacle and curse, which is, as we have been saying, pretty much
from day one. We've kind of been vindicated. We can do a victory lap cat. I mean, we've been,
we've been vindicated. Everyone is acknowledging that Kursk is a debacle. The report from Politico is that
Zillusioni agreed with us. And he said, don't, don't do Kersk. Kersk is going to be a debacle.
Interesting timing for Politico to run this story. What do you think is going on here?
this is a fascinating story and I want to say something. I mean, the Politico story, there's an awful
lot of dots which are just extremely difficult to join up because what the Politico story says
is that Zelensky at some point, we don't know exactly, he doesn't tell us when, came up with
this idea for this operation, and it makes it pretty clear that it was Zelensky's idea,
specifically Zelensky's idea. Remember, Zelensky's not a military,
person, but he hatched this idea for the operation, because, and apparently a lot of Ukrainian
generals, a lot of Ukrainian generals, told him don't do this. And the most important of those
Ukrainian generals who told him don't do this was Zollosuny. Now, the problem with that story
is that, of course, Zollosheny himself was sacked from his position as commander of the Ukrainian
military in February. So if you take this story at face value, then that must mean that Zelensky was
planning this operation in Kusk, at least before February. Because otherwise, how could Zoluzni have pushed
back against it from London when he was no longer a military commander in chief? I mean, to me, to
me, this is the big unanswered question here, which makes absolutely no sense. Now, I find it
very difficult to believe that Zelensky was really planning this operation in Kusk all the way back
in February. So I think what is more likely is that, yes, probably Zalusli, the moment he heard
about this Cusk operation was telling everybody this is going to fail. He's a melody. He's a
military man. He could see all the things which we saw. By the way, I would correct you about one thing.
We didn't, you know, sort of say that Cusk was going to be a debacle. We said that Cusk was going to be a
debacle. We said it on the very first day. We said it would end terribly. And we could see every day
that that is exactly what it is doing. So I'm sure Zillusioni was able to see that. And he said that.
he told his friends who are still there in the military about that.
And there's another senior Ukrainian officer,
the commander of an airborne brigade,
who was ordered to send his troops into Korsk,
and this was in July.
And he said this is an incredibly bad idea.
My brigade is going to get smashed.
We're not going to achieve anything and promptly got sacked.
So that, by the way, suggests that the decision to launch this
was actually made in July when Solutioni was in London, you know, just completely out of the picture.
But I'm sure that Solutioni, the moment it started, it was going around, don't know everybody,
this is a terrible idea.
I don't believe that he was arguing.
This is my own view.
I don't believe he was arguing with Zelensky about this way back in February.
I think that is very difficult to believe.
But what he's now seeing is that this operation in Kursk has been a design.
a debacle, exactly as he said.
We've had more news this morning
that the Russians have captured more villages in Kuzk,
that they are close to encircling the entire Ukrainian grouping in Kusk.
There are reports of panic amongst some Ukrainian military units.
The Russian military group of forces north,
the Russian military force that's Russian military force
that is conducting the operation.
in Kusk actually reported that fact on its website.
Of course, that's the Russians.
We don't know how accurate that is,
but we've got evidence to suggest that it's probably true.
So Kusk is turning into a debacle,
and this is a solutionist chance.
So he's coming in, he's getting his friends to speak to Politico.
He's done this many, many times.
He's spread for years now,
stories in which he positions himself as the voice of reason and sanity in Ukraine against this
eccentric, volatile, unstable character who is Zelensky, this dangerous amateur who makes all
these reckless ideas. Zaluzzi is always there trying to restrain him, trying to calm him down,
trying to prevent him doing the reckless, irresponsible things that Zelensky wants to do.
And he tried to do it over course, but of course.
His advice again was not heeded, and we see once again that his warnings were true.
And I think this is what the image that's been presented.
And it's being done because I think that it's illusioning.
And some other people in Kiev are saying to themselves,
when this debacle plays out, when the Ukrainians are either encircled in course
or driven out, of course, or whatever.
This is their moment to make their move.
Zelensky's reputation will be in tatters.
Everything across the front lines is falling apart.
There was a fascinating article in Ukrainska Pravda,
Ukrainian newspaper, discussing the situation in the Pakrovsky area.
And they're talking about a complete chaos in terms of the military leadership,
the high command, contradictory orders,
orders that bear no connection with reality,
fortifications being built in the wrong places
when they're completely useless,
all that kind of thing.
So who must we turn to in this hour of crisis,
this hour of Ukraine's need?
Well, Zoluzni, here's the person,
always the voice of reason,
always the voice of sanity,
and the person who also has the support of the West.
And that's why he comes to Kiev alongside Blinken and Lammy.
He's there.
We see the pictures of him at the railway station.
And he's the man who will save the situation for Ukraine in its great hour of need.
All we have to do is to bring him back, put Zelensky in his place, and all will be well.
I think this is the narrative that is now being prepared.
Yeah, after the long-range missile strikes into pre-2014 Russia,
after this narrative, whatever may happen,
whether there's a green light for the long-range missile strikes into Russia or not.
After this narrative, is it done with?
The next narrative appears to be Zillusioni.
The next wonder weapon, there we go.
The next wonder weapon is going to be Zillusin.
He's going to be the next wonder weapon.
that the UK, it looks like the UK is lining up behind him,
or at least there are some forces in the UK that are lining up behind him.
Makes perfect sense since he's in the UK right now.
I mean, he's the ambassador in the UK.
So obviously he's going to start getting support from the UK deep state
that's involved in this conflict.
And, you know, maybe Blinken is going to start getting behind Zoluzni.
There are calls in Ukraine, in Kiev.
This has happened before in the past,
but these calls, we're starting to hear these calls again,
which are saying Zelensky needs to call elections or step aside.
I mean, we are hearing MPs.
Once again, they've done this in the past.
They're starting up again, and they're saying elections or leave
because Zelensky, you have made an absolute, complete mess of things.
So, you know, Zoluzzi may be the wonder weapon, I guess.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
There was a period that lasted roughly from the moment when the Ukrainian counter-offensive of last summer failed,
and went through the period in Afderka, the fighting in Avdavka,
when it looked as if Zelensky's position was becoming increasingly unstable.
And then things sort of stabilized.
Zelensky sacked Zoluzni.
Zeluzzi failed to respond.
There was no move within the various brigades, the nationalist brigades,
and Zelensky was able to go ahead and extend his term without elections,
and he looked for a time as if his position was secure.
I'm guessing, by the way, that he got a lot of support from the US at that time.
And I get the sense that that period is now ending,
that with the imminent collapse in Kuzk and quite plausibly the fall in Bakrosk in the next
few weeks, then
we're going to see again
the demands mounting for a change
in Kiev. And of course
the, just as quickly say, the Russian
intelligence agency could probably just
stir the pot here. But
they've been spreading stories for some time
that the Americans are looking for a
replacement to Zelensky
and that Zollusini is their
preferred choice. I doubt
that they have actual information about
that, but that's what they're saying. I would
be surprised if that's what the UK is
is looking at once again. He's in the UK. So obviously there are some people supporting
Solutioni, but the support that Zelensky got at the time, wasn't that when Newland
went to Kiev and she sorted everything out? That's right. That's exactly right. I mean,
he got the support of the Americans. Newland, as you correctly say, went to Ukraine. She spent
some time in Kiev. She gave an incredibly provocative press conference, I remember, or at least
addressed to the media
outside in the snow, right?
Outside in the snow, yeah, yeah.
In which, by the way,
she basically hinted
at the deep strikes, missile strikes
against Russia.
She was already floating that idea then.
And it was clear afterwards
that Zelensky had got
the Americans backing
and that helped stabilize
the situation in Kiev for a few months.
Yeah, he got
the backing, but it looks like he got the backing with the condition that we're not going to
completely remove Zillusionee. We're going to send him to London and he's going to be
hanging out there and let's see what happens. That was a temporary thing. Exactly. It was a
temporary thing. The Americans were not ready at that time for a change in Kiev and
Zilluzni was parked in London. So, but now he's been brought back.
Yeah, yeah.
And Zillusini, whenever you talk about
Zilluzni, you also
talk about Poroshenko and Klichko,
because they're the ones that are aligned with
Zuluzni.
That's right. That's exactly correct.
I mean, Zeluzni and
Poroshenko are clearly
very closely aligned with each other.
I'd say, if anything, I put it more simply
than that, I'd say that Zuluzni was
originally Poroshenko's man.
I mean, Poroshenko was
president of Ukraine, as we know, before Zelensky was. He built up the Ukrainian military. He basically,
I think, promoted people like Solutiony and made sure that they reached the high positions
that Zolloszolosini did indeed reach. And I think there's clearly a connection between them.
And Klitschko, who's the mayor of Kiev, he's also part of this group. So I think this is the group
that's now maneuvering and is preparing to strike.
because they can see that, you know, the writing is on the wall in Kiev,
in Kuzk, rather, the writing is on the wall in Pakrovsk, in Dombas,
and they're looking for someone to take over.
By the way, I mean, this is all very interesting,
but for the moment, it still looks like a game of musical chairs,
you know, getting people in and out, Zelensky in,
Zalusin, Zalusin, Zelenskya, all of that.
It doesn't answer the question of what Ukraine is going to do going forward.
Because one thing I have to say is that none of these people, Zaluzzi, Poroshenko, Klichko,
are coming up with any real plan for turning Ukraine's situation round.
This was true, by the way, when as illusioning was Ukraine's military commander.
I mean, he always presented himself as the voice of reason and sanity and all of that.
But he never came up with a plan, an actual plan that might have delivered any kind of long-term victory or solution for Ukraine's underlying problems.
I say this. I was following very closely.
what Zolucci was doing, but it was always passive and always negative, trying to push back
against Zelensky's crazy plans, which eventually, by the way, Zalucci always bent along with,
to just say, I mean, he always did in the end. But never coming up with any real proposals
about how to conduct the war of his own. And I still don't see anything like that.
from this group.
No, it's just a change of a face, right?
You kick the can down the road and you hope for something to get better.
But yeah, I agree with you.
Zillusioni was no military genius or mastermind,
and he didn't have any ideas that were different from Zolensky.
Zoluzni would basically say the same thing that Zelensky would say,
but he would just package it differently,
which was, we need more weapons and we need more money.
That was basically all he would come up with.
Give us more weapons.
give us more money. If we had all of these weapons, we could win, which is no different than what
Zelensky says. But yeah, so Zelensky goes to, to wrap up the video, Zelensky goes to New York.
He is going to speak at the U.N. Security Council, at least those are the reports that we're getting,
is that he's going to speak at the UN and he's going to address the Security Council.
That's what I understand is going to happen. And he is going to meet to not only with the Biden
White House, but he is scheduled to meet with Harris and possibly even Trump.
So what do you think is going on there?
And how important is Kersk holding on to Kersk for Zelensky as he goes to the United
States?
Because I imagine that one of Zelensky's biggest concerns is that something bad happens
in Kersk while he's in the United States.
And that may jeopardize his pushed.
to get the green light for long-range missile strikes into pre-2014 Russia,
because the media, they've been running the same Kursk narrative in a loop,
which is Kersk was brilliant.
Kerk was brilliant.
It was an incredible tactical victory for Ukraine.
But they never get into the specifics of what's happening in Kirst,
because the collective West mainstream media,
they understand that Kersk is a complete debacle and they don't want to get into the details.
They're just trying to hold up.
out to this narrative of the genius behind Kursk for as long as they can, but that that narrative is
crumbling. So what's what's this trip to the States all about? Right. Well, first of all about Kusk.
I mean, if Kusk collapses, whilst Zelensky is in New York or before Zelensky is in New York,
it is a complete disaster for him. I mean, we already see how Zalusin and all the others are
are maneuvering to pin the blame on him. And they will they will succeed.
in that because Zelensky has
taken credit for it. I mean, he took credit
for the great success
in Kusk. If Kusk ends
in a debacle, then
what it's going to do
inevitably is
it's going to feed the already
mounting doubts that exist
in Western capitals about
his ability to lead Ukraine
through this crisis. They're going to say,
look, Zelensky's clearly doesn't know what he's
doing. He started this operation
at Kusk. He told us it was going to
succeed. Kids failed and failed disastrously. It's time that we started thinking seriously about
someone else. So he has to hold on in Cusk for the next couple of weeks whilst he's in New York.
And there are reports that he's telling Ciske, the current military chief, to make sure that whatever
happens in the war over the next couple of weeks,
Two things don't happen.
One is a complete collapse in Kusk,
and the second is a collapse in Prakosk,
and to send all available troops and reinforcements to these places
and to forget about everything else.
So that is his overriding political priority now.
As to what he's going to do in New York,
it's going to be more of the same.
He's coming with his so-called victory plan,
I understand that the victory plan is not actually a military plan exactly.
It's all about, you know, trying to do all kinds of complicated and clever diplomatic maneuvers.
He wants to have another conference, peace conference in November.
He hasn't yet found a venue.
He's been trying to get the Indians to agree.
Then the Saudis.
Then the Swiss, again.
The Swiss, by the way, have said no, this time.
They had a bad experience with the last one.
They don't want to repeat that all over again.
But anyway, he's coming up with his peace plan.
He wants more weapons, as you say.
He wants deep missile strikes.
He's wanting, according to the Russian media, a commitment and agreement from the West
that Ukraine should join NATO before the end of this year.
Proposterous idea.
But I mean, he's coming up with all of this and all of these demands.
And he's going to try and package that.
He's a great plan for victory.
He's going to try to tell the Americans and the others,
look, Ukraine is in the rights.
Our territorial integrity is threatened.
We are the victims of aggression.
You must continue to support us.
You've said in the past, you know,
you'll be with us as long as it takes.
You must fulfill your promise.
And you don't have any reasons to change.
change that because here's my plan, here's my great victory plan. All you need to do is to authorise
me to give me the green light, to conduct an unrestricted missile war against Russia, to do whatever
I want, anywhere on the battlefronts. You've got to give you every single weapon that exists
in all your arsenals and more still. You've got to escalate to the point of, well, I don't even
want to say which point. You've got to get everybody around the world to line up and agree with me.
And then, and then, victory will be ours. Back me 150%, 200%, and I can still deliver you victory.
And I think there are still some people who fall for this line, Kirstana in Britain, being one of them.
But I think with other people, it's starting to wear very thin.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Some people fall for the line like Kirstammer and a lot of analysts because they don't really have much choice, do they?
They've invested so much into Project Ukraine and the fiction that Ukraine ever had a chance to win this conflict.
They never did have a chance.
And what else can they do?
I mean, what else can Kirstommer do?
Right?
I mean, this is all he's got left.
Well, I mean, he's got to, yeah, he's got to go for this.
Yeah.
he's got to go for this because he ignored advice from the foreign office to back off
and to go as they put it back to the centre of the pack in terms of support for Ukraine.
He ignored that.
He tried to lobby on Ukraine's behalf with the Americans and apparently they weren't happy.
I mean, they might make a decision which corresponds with the one he wants,
but if so they will do that because of internal discussions
and the Americans did not welcome the British intruding themselves
into their internal discussions.
The French, the Germans, the Italians are cooling rapidly now
on the whole Ukraine project.
And in Starless case, his ratings, his poll ratings
are collapsing in Britain faster than I.
have ever seen a newly elected prime ministers do he's involved in a scandal i mean you know he's
just a few weeks but he's involved in a scandal because he's been taking you know freebies donations of
expensive clothes and suits and tickets to taylor swift part events and football matches and all that
from all sorts of rich donors so you're absolutely right i mean he's he's boxed in he's got to go on
plugging Zelensky because he embraced Zelensky.
Literally in the first week that he became prime minister,
even inviting Zelensky to a British cabinet meeting.
I mean, you know, he didn't listen to you.
He didn't learn.
I'll understand that the risal to thing is the Elensky curse.
He embraced it.
I mean, it was bizarre.
And of course, it's already playing,
it's already having its deadly effect on him.
Yeah.
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