The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #12 Featuring The Happy Healthy Guys! THE METABOLISM AND DIET EPISODE! Fix your metabolism, Calories in vs. Out Myths, SCT vs MCT Oil, , Cho...

Episode Date: March 8, 2025

Tune in to The Dylan Gemelli Podcast featuring The Happy Health Guys, Randy Johns and Rob Vasquez!! THE METABOLISM AND DIET EPISODE! Fix your metabolism, Calories in vs. Out Myths, SCT vs MCT Oil, Cholesterol Myths, Nutrient Dense Food, Animal Based Nutrition, Artificial Sweeteners and More!!   Check out The Happy Healthy Website https://www.thehappyhealthylife.com/   Follow the Happy Health Life Podcast on Apple https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-happy-healthy-life-podcast/id1630552648   Follow The Happy Health Guys on Instagram and Facebook https://www.instagram.com/theh2life/ https://www.facebook.com/HappyHealthyDFW/   Use my code Gemelli10 on the Happy Health Shop Website https://shop.thehappyhealthylife.com/7484634   ______________________________________________________________________ Today's episode is sponsored by Apollo Neuro!   Get the Apollo Neuro for $90 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli _______________________________________________________________________________ To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN     TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN     THE BREAKTHROUGH MIMIO HEALTH FASTING MIMETIC SUPPLEMENT!  20% OFF with code Gemelli  https://mimiohealth.sjv.io/c/6588260/3323599/30611     TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast     MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN       HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli     Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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Hey, man, thanks for having us on. I'm excited for today. And yeah, we're going to bring some energy to you. Yeah, man, this is great. What an honor and a privilege, man. We've been jumping at the bit to jump on here with you. So thank you. We've overcome a few technical difficulties. Nothing's getting in the way of the message we're going to talk about tonight. It's going to get fun. Absolutely. You know, I was very, very, very blessed, as I was telling you to have some things happen, some life-changing things recently. And because of that, that's how I was able to come across you guys. I mean, you guys know how God's will and his work is. And it goes a certain. direction and so I am thankful to have you now you guys we're going to get into a ton of stuff but it's important for me to let everybody hear about you first I want you to kind of get into your backstories why you're doing what you're doing how you kind of got into this because I find it fascinating and very inspiring so go ahead get right into it and let's hear it yeah look you know what we're really doing today Dylan I don't know that we could have even pictured that you know

15, 20 years ago. It's funny, like you talked about, God has usually the plan he has for you. He really can't reveal it to you yet because you'd probably tap out and quit because it's so scary. So, but, you know, listen, we're both, as you know, we're both retired chiropractors. That's where chiropractors by trade. And I was running one of the largest natural chiropractic offices in, really in the state of Texas. We both were. This was back in July of 2010. I was eight years into practice, and I get diagnosed with late stage cancer. And I was completely shocked because I'm the guy who tells everybody else how to be healthy, right? I look the part.

I talked the part. I walked the part. And it was authentic. It really was me and who I was. Yet something was off because here I am. I've got this horrible late stage cancer diagnosis. It was metastatic melanoma. It had spread into multiple organ systems moving into my lymphatics, down into my liver, and then into my stomach.

And they're telling me, hey, this is lethal. You've got a couple of months, maybe two years. So I don't know, I was, I was, I'll be honest. Here's the real talk. I was ashamed. I was embarrassed and ashamed. I didn't want anybody to know because, you know, I was that guy. I wanted to help people.

I did help people. The irony is my father had just died. two years earlier from the complications of cancer. So I was starting to feel a little bit fraudulent and feeling like, man, is there what I, is what I'm teaching and living and breathing? Is this really the best strategy? So you find out what you believe when you're thrown directly into the fire. Anybody can say anything, but what are you going to do when you're right there in it?

You know, you can say this. And I've said things before and then it hit me. And I'm like, holy smokes. I wasn't sure what I was going to do. This was one of those moments for me, what I was really going to put the rubber to the road and see if this was really my strategy and what I was going to do. So my journey was never to treat the cancer.

And that's what chiropractic gave me. If it gave me anything, and listen, outside of my relationship with Jesus Christ, this is the second most important thing that's ever happened to me because chiropractic taught me a philosophy that helps save my life. Everybody wants to know, because clearly I'm not dead, Not being dead is a great clinical outcome. I think we would all agree.

And so everybody wants to know what did you do, but it's not what I did. It's the reason why I did what I did. So chiropractic gave me a philosophy. And I know you feel the same way, Dylan. And I speak for Dr. Rob here, is that the most amazing healing power, God put that on the inside of us. All right. We are fearfully and we're wonderfully made. God does not make junk.

All right. We are made in his image. and that health is the normal and disease is the abnormal. Now you look around and you see so many sick, overweight, hurting people, you wouldn't believe that to be true. But that may be common. It's not normal. Normal is health.

And so 1st John 4 4 says, greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world. The greatest doctor in the world is on the inside of all of us. And that's not even a religious statement. That's an immutable law. If I cut your hand, you're going to bleed, scab, and heal. You fracture a bone.

You set it over the next four to six weeks is going to mend and heal itself. Our bodies are hardwired to heal. So when I got the diagnosis, what saved my life was the chiropractic background, which said that all health comes from above down, inside and out. So I didn't think cancer was making me sick. I was already sick. That is why I got the cancer. It was really this metabolic phenomenon because my body wasn't adapting to its

environment chemically, physically, and emotionally. So because I knew all this to be true in my heart, it allowed me to ask questions that helped me get to real answers. And it really gave me the strength to do that because I don't know that I would have had the strength to do what I did or ask those questions. So my journey led me into southern Spain, heard about a doctor there. He's a medical doctor, actually, but he's a cellular biologist from Levin, from Lebanon, Dr. Raymond Helu, and he was in southern Spain, and I heard that he was helping people get well from chronic disease and chronic illness and metabolic problems. And a friend of ours had told me that he had taken his wife over there who'd been left for dead

with Lyme's disease here in America and took over there and she got well. And he said, I think you'll like this guy. I don't know if he can help you, but he doesn't treat symptoms or conditions. He treats the person who has the condition. what a concept right because in america we know how how it works you treat disease with drugs and surgery right there's there isn't a focus on prevention or cause it's diagnosis and treatment which i find interesting because if you break down the word diagnosis die meaning to agnosed not to know it's two people who have no idea right so it's kind of interesting but you need that diagnosis

to get that drug or to get that procedure or to fall in in alignment with the insurance model. So all that to be said, I'd heard about this doctor. I'd go over there and I've never been out of the country, by the way. So my Spanish is a little rusty, to say the least. I'm stressed out. I'm leaving the country. I'm leaving my practice. I really told nobody.

And here I am. I'm open this doctor's office and I'm waiting for him to walk in and give me the results of my blood work. And so I'm sitting there thinking, you know, I've made the biggest mistake in my life. Did I come over here and I'm going to die and I'm coming back in a pine box? Like, what's God's plan? And then the door kicks in and I get a 22nd consultation for about $30,000. Oh.

So I don't know. Are you curious about the consultation at all? Sweet deal. Yeah, I would love to hear about this one. Yeah, we got to share this. It's only 22nd. So it's not going to take. long, to make a long story very short in 20 seconds. But he says, he points at me and he says,

I'll do nothing that will kill you. Sweet. What a way to start off their relationship. And I'm like, well, thank God, because they couldn't promise me that in America, because in America, they're telling me, it's chemotherapy, it's radiation, it's drug trial, it's surgery, it's hospice care. Yep. So he goes, I'll do nothing that will kill you. He goes, now you might die, but I'll do nothing that will kill you. He goes, but I'm going to do everything that I can do to get your body adapting again, chemically, physically, and emotionally, because I think it's your best chance to get well and for the cancer not to come back.

And here's the best part. He said, Randy, there's no need for theatrics. Are you ready to get started? And you can imagine what I said, heck, yes. I didn't ask him for more research. I didn't ask him what it was going to cost. That was irrelevant. I didn't ask him, you know, how long it was going to take

because I believed I found the man who could really help work with my philosophy and my belief system and help me get well because I know and I believe that health is an inside out job. And that health and disease, Dylan, they're really the exact same thing. Think about that. Health and disease are the same thing. It's the body doing. doing the right thing under the circumstances. And I wanted to change the environment in my body and in my, how I was adapting so I could get

the best result. So that's how we kicked off the journey there in Spain. Dr. Rob, my best friend came over there to help pray for me, take care of me, keep me adjusted, speak a little Spanish on my behalf. He's not that good in Spanish. Don't let him fool you. He's better than me. And over the next 30, 60, 90 days, my body began to respond beautifully to the strategy.

and the protocols. We can talk more about that. That was kind of like I was doing biohacking stuff before biohacking was cool. Yeah. But the great news is nothing I was doing was designed to treat really the cancer. It was designed to treat me, detox my body, get me adapting, really begin to clean, you know, help myself become strong again. And it was just remarkable to see what could happen in such a short amount of time when you create

a strong metabolic environment. So I knew that if I could overcome late stage cancer, there isn't anything you can't overcome. There aren't incurable diseases. There's really just incurable people, as I believe the quote. So here I'm today, vibrant, healthy, 50 years young, living my best life. And that was July of 2010. Even being alive and being here today, I wasn't even sure was possible back almost 15 years ago.

And it clearly changed the direction of my life. And we have a company now that was born out of that. So that's kind of the quick synopsis of the story. There's a lot more nuance to it, but I'll let you, I'll let you marinate on that a little bit. And we want to hear from Dr. Rob, too, because he's got his own metabolic journey. Yeah. Yes, please. Yes.

So, so, yeah, like you said, been best friends for 21 years. So he's going through what he's going through. And, yeah, I hopped on a plane as soon as he said, he literally says, get to Spain, 911, got a text message from him. And I said, yeah, absolutely. I'll be there. So that was on a Saturday evening. Sunday, I was on a plane, headed over to Spain to see what was going on. I had no idea, honestly, what it is that I was walking into. We really hadn't talked very much because 14 years ago, it was not as easy to communicate internationally as it is now with cell phones, right? I remember. Yeah, it was like the flip phone and, you know, the whole thing.

And so, yeah. And so we talked. So we talked. talked a couple times and he said, get over there, best friends. I'm like, yeah, absolutely so got there. And, you know, really like he was saying is also became a student of this doctor that was there because he was saying things that sounded familiar, but he was saying him in a way that we had never heard it before when he was talking about metabolism and chronic illness being downstream of poor metabolic health. And when he was saying that my ear, were listening, not from the intention of hearing it through how to heal cancer. Where Rady didn't know during that time is I was going through my own metabolic problem.

My metabolic problem was something that I'd been going through my entire life up to that point, had always for me struggled with my weight. So metabolism to me meant if I see that person that's really thin, well, it's easy for that person to be thin because they were blessed with a great metabolism. and I got screwed with a shitty metabolism to where I really, no matter what it is that I tried to do, couldn't lose weight unless I literally would starve myself. And I could remember when I was 13 years old going, you know what? I'm really motivated to lose weight right now. I'm 13 and I'm a boy.

I wasn't motivated by any health reasons. I was motivated because, well, 13-year-old girls were not interested in the chubby fat kit. Okay. The ultimate motivator, right? So I did what I learned from everybody else, specifically my mom. You know, she was always chronically on a diet. It was like every Monday she would start her new diet, whether it was like the boiled egg diets, the lean cuisine diet, the slim fast diet, the weight watchers diet, you know,

and she would exercise like crazy. And I'm like, okay, well, if that's going to work, if a little is good, that a lot must be better. So instead of just reducing calories by a little bit, I'm just not going to eat. Okay. I can do hard things. And so I would go like six, sometimes seven days without eating and just drinking water. And I lost, I went from 210 pounds when I was in the eighth grade all the way down to

124 pounds when I started my ninth grade year. People I'd gone to school with, Dylan, my entire life didn't even recognize me when I came into high school because I had lost so much weight. Now, was I thin? Yes. Was I healthy? Absolutely not because I had starved myself, right? Starving yourselves and the nutrition that they need is not a good thing. And so what that did for me at 13 years old is it totally just killed my metabolism, wrecked it. Because of that, from that point on, I had to be perfect with how I ate, perfect with my physical exercise in order to maintain what I thought was a head. was a healthy weight. And so now fast forward to 38 years old, we're in Spain. I had so much inflammation from an injury to my lower back that I could barely walk. So because I could barely walk, I couldn't exercise anymore because I couldn't exercise anymore.

All of a sudden, I ballooned up over 65 pounds. And so I was 65 pounds heavier in Spain, literally dragging around the leg. So what Randy didn't know was that I was in that much pain. Me even getting on an airplane to fly over to Spain was agonizing. I bet. And so just standing up was agonizing. So back then in Spain, we were not the happy, healthy guys that you see behind us. We were the fat and overweight.

The sick, depressed, almost dead guys. In pain, yes. You wouldn't have had us on the podcast. No, no. I'm listening to anything that we had to say at that time if you would have seen us. Yeah. Talk about depressing. So,

true story. So like Randy, I was also ashamed because I was teaching, you know, our patients how to be healthy as well. And so that really got me thinking is, you know what, I've got to do something different than what I've been doing. And for the first time now this doc talking about metabolism in a way that I'd never heard it before. And when you really look and now it's the buzzword, everybody's talking about metabolic health

or metabolic illness, metabolic disease, metabolic syndrome, all these different things. things, but they're really not giving any solutions to what to do about it. And they're really not talking about exactly what it is. And metabolism is simply this. If you dissect the word, let's make it simple. Meta means transformation. Bold, the middle of the word, B-O-L means beginning of life. Isom is a system.

So it's the system that your body uses to transform whatever. nutrients are coming in into new life, meaning into energy that can be able to repair a cell or replace a damaged cell. Okay. Right. Now, because our body is just made up of a bunch of these cells that have this lipid bilayer that needs to be permeable, meaning that things need to be go, need to go into it or get the nutrients in in order to make sure that the mitochondria is getting the energy that

it needs to produce energy to be able to do what the body needs it for, right? Yes. So if your cells are locked up by, well, all of the environmental toxins that we're around every single day, there's about 80,000 of these different things we're exposed to on a daily basis, you've got things that are endocrine disrupting, you've got hormone problems and challenges, you've got biotoxins, heavy metals from vaccines, you've got all of these different things that can block the cell, causing that cell not to work the way it's opposed to, ultimately leading to things like cancer.

Yes. Or heart disease or insulin sensitivity or where the insulin is not working the way. Yeah, insulin resistant. How many people are insulin resistant now? It's just like everybody's either a diabetic or a pre-diabetic, right? Like 95% of the planet. Yeah, and, you know, resulting and also problems with the brain, right, where you're losing cognitive dysfunction, all of these different things. Having problems, being able to lose weight is only one

of the symptoms that are happening as a result of poor metabolic health, right? So that just happened to be where I was. So where I was struggling with being able to lose weight and he had cancer, we really had unlocked the key into how to be able to allow these cells to be able to be able to able to open up, get the nutrients that they need, know what nutrients that the cells need in order to be able to heal this metabolic issue. As a result of then applying that to myself, I lost the 65 pounds. That was 14 years ago. Having gained it back, it's easier now to be able to stay at an actual healthy weight. And the reason I say actual healthy weight is because I was, had had tricked my mind into thinking that for me, way back then,

185 pounds was my healthy weight, which was not true at all. The fact of the matter is, just anytime I would try to lose weight, I would always get stuck at 185 pounds. You know, everybody has a metabolic thermostat. In other words, that's the weight, like the thermostat in your house. When you set the thermostat in your house, if we have it here at 70 degrees, well, no matter how high, it is outside, right?

Or how cold it is outside, it's going to lock in at that temperature. Your body does the same thing. I was locked in at 185 pounds. So if I went on a diet or exercise a ton, I could get under 185 pounds. Let's say get to 180, but I would always bounce back up to 185 as soon as I stopped being perfect. Right. That's where my thermostat was.

And that right there is proof that losing weight or having a. healthy metabolism, well, you can't do that with diet and exercise alone. You really got to heal the body at a cellular level. And so that's why now it's easy to maintain a healthy weight. So for me, a healthy weight is 155 pounds on my body. Right. And so that's why that's possible. I'm healthier now than I've ever been before.

And it really took, you know, going through that pain of struggling myself, the pain of him struggling in order for us to really see our purpose was to educate and teach people solutions to this metabolic problem, which is really an epidemic, not just in the United States, but it's an epidemic worldwide. And so what we want to do is make sure that we're not just teaching people how to live this, this, what we call a happier, healthier life, but give them really things that they can do every single day to be healing their metabolism and not get into the problem in the first place. That's, there's a lot there, but it all makes sense if you pay attention and listen.

Here's what I think. Actually, you know what? Here's what I know. And I think you guys will agree with me. Every single thing, and I'm going to relate this a little bit to politics without getting into politics, every single thing is propaganda. meaning that it is embedded into people's heads that if you ask questions now or if you think for yourself or you explore that you are in the wrong and you're crazy when in reality everything that we do in life is trial and error correct every single step we take everything is not going

to work out the same for you guys that it is for me and vice versa however there are certain things that will god's will for one if you and if you don't believe that fine but there are things. You need air to breathe. You need food to live, right? So there's certain things. But everything that affects somebody, and this is what I do when it comes to supplements and steroids and peptides and things, I have to assess each individual's ability to metabolize testosterone or they're converting to estrogen at a higher rate than you or I may. So when it comes to these aspects, what I like about you guys and why we're so similar is that we're looking for the truth and the answers and trying to find them. And the people that are able to do that and adapt

and realize it just because somebody tells you that you need an antidepressant or that everybody needs a statin or ibuprofen, the cure all to every single ache and pain that you have. It is all nonsense. All of it is nonsense. And the people that realize that are the people that live longer and are healthier. No, granted, in biohacking, which essentially is just taking care of yourself and half of its common sense, some of it's new technologies and things, but it's really, and I put this video, biohacking's finding yourself, and when you find yourself, you're able to take care of yourself, right? And so by doing that, you give yourself the ability to overcome these things that just get put into your head that you have to do this or if not, you're crazy. And it, in a really,

reality, they're crazy, right? So what I like about you guys is your willingness to get into these things to talk about them and to break them down and to make them make sense. Because when you get angry or you get defensive, then people won't listen. And so, you know, and it's important to, as hard as it is to be patient with some people, to try to do that. So I've got a ton of things to talk to you guys about. I'm really glad you covered the metabolism aspect because I was laughing because I've I'm like everybody else oh so and so can eat that they got a fast metabolism I can't stand them because I can't do that but in reality they're killing themselves inside right so so and so can eat McDonald's all day well guess what that's great they don't gain weight

but I bet you anything their cholesterol is a mess and we can go down the line so um what I want I got a bunch of stuff but we talked about this a little and we didn't have time to get into it I want to talk about every calorie is equal. Okay. You guys, you guys know my stance on that. I'll make it very quick because I want your thoughts. Because I deal with the bros way too much and I'm trying to get away from that.

Calorie grows are a tough crowd, man. Let's see we can, my simple point, very simple. And I told you this, 300 calories in each hand, right? So I've got,

like, 12 ounces of chicken is about 300 calories, well 10 ounces of chicken, or I got like an extra large recess bar. And you're going to sit there and look me straight in the face and tell me that they're each 300 calories and that they're equal. And I just cannot take you serious if you're telling me that. When X is lean, it's got no sugars, it's got no this and no that. And this thing's got every messed up thing under the sun in it. So anybody that's going to really look me in the eye and tell me that, I'm thinking that they're functioning with less than half a brain cell. What do you guys think?

Well, I used to be on that side where I was like, that's what I had learned. It's just all about calories, right? And so you could be eating all those. I remember way back in the day when everything was no fat, well, no fat really just equals lots of sugar in it, right? And so I would look for things. Well, first it was I would look for things that was no fat. And then I would look for things that didn't have any calories regardless of where those calories were coming from.

But the reality is the research has already been done. The research is out there for those people who do think all calories are created equal. Well, they, where they've taken people that they've given foods that are processed, ultra-processed foods, given that group, the same exact amount of calories that they're giving a group that's getting the same amount of calories, but nutrient-rich foods. And they followed these people and shown that the people who were eating the ultra-processed foods end up gaining more weight than the other group that are actually eating nutrients, right? Putting nutrients into their body.

So right there, that already shows us that, you know what, all calories are not created equal. It's impossible. Yeah, no, you guys are both right. We call it Chico, right? The calories in, calories out. You know, I just can't get into that because, you know, and a lot of the studies that are trying to prove this nonsense is called nutritionism. You kind of described it there where not all protein is protein is protein is protein. There's different amino acids.

There's different bioavailability. There's different nutrient densities. So you can't just say, hey, you know, this amount of protein at this amount of calories is exactly the same as this amount of protein at this amount of calories. If this is processed and this is nutrient dense. but they'll complate those studies and use nutritionism and not distinguish between the type of even carbohydrates. Fresh squeeze orange juice is different than drinking a can of soda. I think we can all agree there, but the studies don't always reflect that. But one of the biggest things that drives me nuts in this topic is when you think about people think, well, like, it's how many calories can I eat?

And then am I burning enough of those calories off so I don't gain weight, law of thermodynamics, right? But the problem is those calories that you're eating and what they're made of, a lot of these are endocrine disrupting foods. And I should even call them foods. They've got different hormones. They've got different chemicals. They've got different flavoring agents. They've got different types of chemicals that can actually damage the mitochondria, which is obviously the part of ourselves that make the energy. Well, if you're eating a thousand calories of toxic, ultra-processed food that has seed oil, that's got.

high fructose corn syrup, all those calories don't give you energy. They actually don't allow your mitochondria to even make energy. So it's not just the whole calories in calories out, law through my dynamics. What nutrients are you giving your body and can your body use this? Because if not, you aren't creating more energy. Your electron transport chain is not creating more ATP. It's probably getting backed up and you're losing energy. And now guess what your is going to do with all that extra crap you ate. It's going to store it as body fat. Thank you. Those are the facts. And you can't out work out this bad nutritional program where you're only counting macros and calories. It just doesn't work that way. In fact, how many calories are being

are in being late on your rent? How many calories are in going through a divorce? How many calories are you in a car wreck at lunch and your car got total and you're now in the hospital? Stress is a huge thing, and it makes a big, big impact on your metabolic rate. So it's not the calories. It's not that simple. And anybody who's teaching that really, they've really taken a concept and oversimplified it. And it's really misleading to a lot of people because there are some people. They're not eating anything.

Dylan, they're not eating anything and they can't lose weight. So how is somebody eating nothing and can't lose weight and somebody's eating 5,000 calories a day, right? and they don't gain a pound, it's not calories in calories out. That goes back to what we talked about. It is healthy metabolic function, and there's a ton of things that can disrupt your metabolic health, your mitochondria, and back up that electron transport chain. But metabolism should be able to burn thousands and thousands of calories a day, and then you want to eat to the nutrients, right, versus eating and counting calories.

Stop counting calories, start counting nutrients. That's 100% right. and I would love to see a study where we took a baseline and we did a full like comprehensive panel, like cholesterol panel. I don't care just about HDLD. I want to see everything. I want to see APOBs. I want to see particle sizes.

I want to compare them to somebody that's eating McDonald's or fast foods in the same amount of calories with the same amount of workout load. And the person that's eating a very, very clean diet all throughout the week, I want the people to slam sugar, fried foods, everything. And I want to see what their profiles, their CBCs, like their CMPs. I want to see it all. And then let's talk. And then I also want to know why all these guys that I train that are pros and that I see that are trained, if it's calories in and calories out, then they theoretically,

they should be able to eat all this dog shit and look the same if they're having the same amount of calories, correct? How come that nobody's on that diet? I guess I'm lost. and so the science there. And another thing I would like to just point out, and Rob, you and I are very, very similar in what we've been through with the low fat thing. And I am like, I have four different nutrition certifications. I coach nutrition.

This is like, I've been studying nutrition since I was 12 years old. And literally, I do every single thing against what I've set until like it clicked with me, three weeks ago that finally I had to stop living in this dark hell that I put myself in forever because I'm so hard on perfection and yet I'm burning I'm burning alone just in cardio 1,400 calories then I'm lifting so I'm up in the 2,200 and then resting I mean I'm burning like 4,500 calories a day yet I'm still able to add weight because I'm eating so little and now I started eating way more, more fats, things I was avoiding. I'm literally dropping rates and I'm eating way more.

Yeah. And like feel better and just everything. I'm not, I'm still not there yet because you know it takes, you've been doing something for 25, 30 years. It takes, it's hard to break. But just in shit, two weeks, you know, and it's like, what the hell just happened? And it just like this light of everything I taught went off for me. And so that brings me to my next, now that we're talking about calories, because I've seen you guys talk about this.

And I think that there's so much bad information when it comes to calories in general. And that convolutes thoughts and understandings. And that's why I think beyond what we're going to get into later about what they do to foods and everything, I think one of the biggest problems, you correct me if I'm wrong, is bad information, misconception, misunderstanding. So I want, I really want you guys' thoughts in detail on counting calories. And if that, because what you were talking about stress, well, cortisol is a major problem with weight gain, right? And you start overthinking and doing things and stressing out about that on top of all your other stresses.

You're just going to go down, down, down, down this hole. So talk to me about counting calories, your thoughts. What do you guys talk or teach your, your listeners, clients about, counting calories. Well, first of all, one of the things you said was, yeah, about all of the information. Another thing that we talked about is going, okay, you've got to ask the questions. You've got to ask better questions. Well, where is all of the information actually coming from, right? So when we look at where the information is coming from, most of the information is coming from, well, wherever it is that you get your media from, whether it's your phone or

the TV or walking down the aisle at the grocery store. And so where is this whole calorie nonsense coming from? Typically it's going to be, well, I don't know, go down the cereal aisle and you're going to see like low calories on the different cereals. And the first thing that you're going to do is you're going to go to the panel on the back. That's where the information that is actually coming from. And you've got people that are in that aisle. And we've seen them all. They've got the box out they're looking at the box right there. What are they looking for? How many calories does this have it? I'm going to put that back. That's got way too many calories. But if I pick up this box of cereal right here, it is super high in protein and doesn't have very many calories. And guess what?

That same box of cereal is endorsed by the American Heart Association. So when you got the American Heart Association in bed with the people who are also doing the research, in order to research what drugs are going to give you for the diabetes that that actual cereal caused you to have, it's kind of effed up when you have the agency called the Food and Drug Administration, how do food and drugs actually go together, right? That's a good point. The fox is guarding the henhouse, okay? Yeah.

So if the fox is guarding the henhouse on that, why in the world would they want you to be healthy in the first place? because guess what? The more disease that you actually have, the more sickness and illness you have from eating whatever that thing is, that cereal was, well, the more likely you are to be right there buying more drugs. It all goes together.

So we just talked about research, for example. Who's doing the research? Who's funding the research? Well, the research is being funded by the drug company. If the drug company is funding the research, they already know the outcome that they want to have. have. So if they already know the outcome that they want to have, guess what they're going to do? They're going to manipulate the numbers to be able to make it look like, right, it's in their

favor. Why would they do anything else? So then guess what they have? They have that research paper that becomes their marketing piece. Their marketing piece to give to the doctor that's going to give you the diabetes medication. Do you see where we have a problem here? And that's where the information is coming to us from that all calories are created equal. They want us to think, that all calories are created equal because if we think all calories are created equal, we're going to pick that food that has a decreased amount of calories in it, and then we're going to end up sick. If we end up sick, we're now buying more drugs.

We being not us in this room, right? So that's where there's a problem with the calories thing. And I think it's, and I talk about that because we've got to ask more questions on, okay, yeah, where exactly is this information coming from? Who's paying for us to get that information right there? And if we really dive deep into where that's coming from, we can see that, yeah, those people really don't want us healthy. They want us to think that it is calories in, calories out, or all calories are created equal, because as long as we think that, they're going to make a lot more money, right? So that's the biggest lobbying group right now in Washington, D.C. is the American Pharmaceutical Association.

Yeah. That's not by accident. Right? That's on purpose. Who is funding all of this stuff they are? So follow the money. Yeah, no, that's, there you go. It's pretty easy, follow the money.

And the burden of proof isn't on me. It's not on you. It's on the for-profit drug industry who makes money hand over fist as more people become chronically sick and disabled and become dependent on a medical mafia machine that is literally has not one cure and has, I don't know, at this point, hundreds of thousands of different drugs that they've created to treat all these symptoms

and not one of these problems is corrected from a lack of said chemicals. Those are the absolute facts. So you start looking about the money. It's like this whole new, this whole new, uh, GLP, one thing that they're doing, Dylan, right? With the calories. Like, I don't worry about what you eat. You probably got bad genetics. You're just getting older.

You know, be a victim, right? It's a permanent thing. They're telling us it's a genetic. problem, which is why people are struggling. Yet, I don't know. We look at about 100 years ago, you didn't see this many obese people. You didn't see diabetes. You didn't see heart disease. You didn't see stroke. You didn't see Alzheimer's. Yet genetics don't mutate to epidemic status in 52-100 years. That would take 40, 60, 100,000 years. The genes aren't the problem. The problem is they're lying to us and they're wanting to create more victims like Dr. Rob was saying.

Going back to that GLP, one thing, you don't think they see the trend right now. There's $100 trillion at stake for these drug companies. In fact, the Novo Nordus company, it's a Danish company, all of their advertising is to America. Yeah. They won't even let these drugs into some other countries. They're advertising to us because we consume this up through the TV, one of two countries, who allow drug companies to advertise directly to the consumer on TV. Us in New Zealand are the only two countries who allow that.

So they're programming us, they're brainwashing us. But these drugs are not designed to fix the problem with obesity. It's not the calories. It's not the genes. It really goes back to the metabolism. And this is where we were really able to crack the code with so many people. It's really your weight and your health is almost a zero-sum game. You know, because you think about it, you've got people who work out all the time, right?

Yeah. And they're cutting their calories. So first of all, let's say you go on a diet. All diets have one thing in common. You're cutting something out. You're lowering your caloric intake. Well, guess what your metabolism has to do? It definitely doesn't get stronger.

It has to adapt because if it stayed here and you cut your calories, it's going to burn through the calories. And then it's going to burn through you and you're going to die, much like being stranded on an island with no food, all right? Right. So now you cut the calories and then you start exercising more, which is burning more what? You said it earlier. You burned what you, you burned 1400 calories today. Just on cardio alone.

That's just on cardio alone. That's not even counting the neat calories and anything else that you did all day long. I haven't been to the gym yet either. There you go. So now you're cutting your calories. You're burning more calories. Now your metabolism isn't doing this, this and this. It's going here.

So it's adapting to the. the environment that you created. So the point is, after all the dust settles and all the diets and all the exercise, if you're not metabolically strong, your body's just going to settle in at that weight set point, which really tells us how strong and healthy your metabolism is. So this is where, you know, people who can't lose weight or can't turn their health around do diet and exercise, because we're not saying don't eat right and don't exercise. We're not saying don't be mindful of those things, but those things, what if they weren't

really your problem. What if the real problem was all the other things that they're doing to us were being poisoned, right? The fake food, chemicals, drugs, shots, vaccines, and every single drug is designed only to treat the symptom. There is that one single problem that you have that is going to be resolved by a drug because if it ain't the cause, it ain't the cure. Love it. Absolutely love it. So there's so many good points that you guys made there that I absolutely love. You know, the information part just, it makes me so angry. And it's a lot of it is I'm jaded because I've been in the supplement industry so long. And everybody always wants a study here and a study there.

But then when I tell them so easily, you just, anybody can manipulate a control group, just like any political poll can be manipulated. You call a certain audience and put out some numbers, right? I can go pick out X amount of people that I know fall into a category that are going to give me the result that I want. Right. And so those points and the amount of information that gets put out where you just, and misrepresentation on boxes, low fat food or contains X amount of this. You know, you guys remember when low carb first became popular. Very like the act and stuff.

So I remember, and I'm going to curse here. my mom came to me and she said well look at this I got it it says it's low carb I said let me see that real quick mom and I turned it around because we speak freely it's an Italian family right and I turned it over and I said mom I said can you tell me what the fuck is wrong with this and I poured it over and I said look at all this shit and I went down this list and she just kind of looked at me and she's just like really I said gosh damn and that point because I was in my 20 still and I was studying nutrition but I was like I had I had partying and things I was doing. So it wasn't of my biggest concern.

But that's when it clicked with me like, oh, shit. Like, this is just going to get worse and worse and worse and worse. And I mean, you guys know, you've watched it progressively just grow into a monster now. And so I want to touch on that. But real quick, too, I want to talk about two things. I want to talk about, like, reading labels and understanding the labels, too. But I do want to touch on when you're counting calories, what do you guys kind of? to teach people about their intakes.

Because what I think now is that, like for me, what I was telling you, I'm not eating enough for all I'm burning. So I'm stepping up what I'm eating. I'm getting the right amount of fats, which I've been terrified of, like a complete and utter moron that I know what's wrong. And I'm putting all of this stuff in and I'm like getting more cut, getting more shredded, getting bigger, muscular, yet I'm seeing some scale weight drop. So do you guys feel that maybe you have to eat more to get your?

your metabolism kicking to feed yourself in the process to get it going properly. And then you're actually going to be far better off. Now, of course, there's a cap. You don't want to eat fucking 8,000 calories a day or something crazy. But how do you look at that? And what do you guys feel for somebody? What's your advice to somebody like me who has eaten too little for so long that burns so many calories? What would you say to somebody like that?

Yeah. That's interesting you brought that up because that's really, you know, you aren't our typical. client that we work with Dylan, as you can probably imagine, we're really working with people who really aren't, it doesn't have the background that you would obviously have. But this thing that you share in common with the 52-year-old mom who's in perimenopause was that you literally starved yourself for many, many years. You come in in a very low energy state. And so in order number one is you've got to get people into a high energy state. So it's really, and it's not about the calories. It is about counting the nutrients and avoiding the chemicals in the foods because when you

eat real food, and this is our acronym called surf, not S-U-R-F, S-E-R-F, simply eat real food. What is real food? Listen, real food, you stick it on the counter, you walk away for two weeks and you come back, it better look different because if it didn't spoil, if it didn't go bad, it's not real. It's built for shelf life, not built for human consumption. Yes. And a lot of weight loss industry, the bodybuilding industry, all the protein bars and the shakes and all these things. I think I found a protein bar in my winter coat. Like it was like three years old and I tore it open and it was just as fresh as when you

bought it three years ago, right? I don't know that those type foods are real. You know, we bought a McDonald's hamburger and french fries. We were. going on set we did a lot of live t tb for about eight years and we bring stuff on set felt really guilty going through the mcdonald's drive-thew and supporting these fuckers but i could stun us on right i'm like i don't want anybody i remember that i was yesterday before going going there and going through the drive-thru at mcdolls and i'm like shit i hope like my kids parents don't see me in this line they have no idea what it's what i'm doing but we got that that that that that that that that that happy meal with

whatever it was at the time and we're showing people that, yeah, this isn't the food that you want to eat. And then forgot it in the garage for like two years, right? I'm putting out the garage, find this hamburger in there, open it up and looked exactly the same. At the day that we bought it two years prior, it's now seven years later in that McDonald's hamburger still looks exactly the same. The French fries look exactly the same. And I think that's where people do get confused because like Randy was saying, even us, we had a protein bar line that we had commissioned a nutrition company to make this, a reputable nutrition company to make these protein bars.

And yeah, looking, you know, finding a protein bar in my backpack two years later. And it was still good as new, which lets us know that the preservatives that are in there, right, those are chemical toxins that when you put that into your body, that is an endocrine disruptor. And so the more we disrupt our. our indecrine system, the more we mess up the hormones, the more likely it is that your metabolism is just not going to work. So here's what we say to people that come into our web is, you know what, let's get you fat adapted. Let's get your body choosing to burn fat for fuel

first by having a healthy metabolism. For us, when we work with people, it takes us five weeks to be able to make that happen. It doesn't take long at all. So when we work with somebody, who's got the weight to lose, the average female is going to lose 22 plus pounds in that five weeks. Wow. And then because we're getting them fat adapted. Look, people have, you know, so many calories available and a calorie is nothing more than a unit of energy. Yeah. They've got these units of energy available.

If you've got somebody that's got 50 pounds of body fat, well, every pound of body fat takes about, you've got to burn about 3,500 calories for that one pound. So if you multiply 3,500 calories times 50, that person has a capacity, right? Or has like, gosh, almost 400,000 calories available to burn. That person is not going to starve to death. As long as you get them burning those calories from the fat, they're going to be in a much better place before they're burning the calories from sugar or carbohydrates. So in the five weeks, once we get them to do that, we then spend three weeks. weeks, retraining that person's metabolism to lock that in place or resetting it, locking

it in place so it doesn't go backwards. So during those three weeks, we're now getting that person to where they're now carb adapted. So we don't tell people to stop eating carbohydrates or stop eating sugar forever. In fact, we were just on a team meeting earlier. And one of our team members, they were telling us about this client who would come in. And she was shocked. Yeah, the classic low carb, you know, carbs are a sin person. Yeah, yeah.

So she's like, oh my gosh, guys, I can't believe this. I'm eating carbohydrates in this last week that I've added that I've been eating these carbohydrates. I've actually lost a pound. That's never happened to me in my entire life. Middle age woman, 300 carbs a day losing weight. Yeah. So that's beautiful. It is beautiful.

That's called metabolic flexibility. So your body should be burning fat for fuel. It should also be able to switch it to burning carbohydrates for fuel as well. The problem is it's kind of like having, let's say you've got one of these cars that have that are both electric and use gasoline. There's two types of fuel sources, right? Yeah. So the car is programmed to burn one or the other, right?

If you're at a stoplight, it's like the engine cuts off and now it's just electric, right? Yeah, yep. Our body is the exact same way. When it needs it, it can be able to pull. energy from carbohydrates. It should be able to pull energy from fats, but most people are only pulling that energy from the carbohydrates because their body is not fat adapted. Got it. Make sense?

Yes. That right there means that they've got a metabolic disruption. Something's disrupting that person's body's metabolism. It's why it's not working. So the first thing that we do when we see somebody is we have them take a metabolic disruptor assessment so we can find out where that's at. And then we can be able to customize a program specific to that person because everybody is unique and different. That's why there is no one-size fits all approach to healing anybody's metabolism because everybody's different. It's got to be customized. So once we know that, we can then be able to take them through this system, which

for us, it's really simple. We're super simple in our approach to help. to anybody because we feel like if somebody's confused or anything's confusing, they stop, right? And they don't follow through. You know, for us, we'll follow through and we'll persevere, but most people aren't going to hang in there because they're not getting the results. So because people are getting results very quickly, they're with us for these five weeks. And next thing you know, they've dropped, you know, 20, 30 plus pounds. And now we're locking and resetting that person's metabolism.

So it's not going back. And so that's what I would say to answer. your question is, what would you do to that for that person that has been, you know, afraid of eating fats or, you know, scared of eating the carbohydrates? Well, we would get them fat adapted. We'd get their metabolism working properly again. And then once we've got a foundation with where they do have a healthier metabolism, then there's some other things that we can put into place like some biohacking type of

strategies, some lifestyle strategies, but we have to have that foundation. So which is why we just literally flew in last night from a retreat that we had for people who have already been through our program. And so when they came to this retreat, we spent five days with them showing them all of these different biohacking techniques that we use. But these are all people who are already fat adapted. So they already have that good metabolic foundation. Now we can take them to another level, which we then call our happy healthy for life, which is all

about, well, living a happy healthy life for the rest of your life because I don't know about you, but for me, being 53 years old, it's all about the next 50. Right. What's this next 50 going to look like? And it's going to look like me getting to at least 120 of happy, healthy years, being able to do whatever it is that I want. Yeah, I think we told you, Dillel, we got picked up this year for that documentary, the next 50.

Yes. So it could have been more apropos, the perfect. perfect timing. I'm just turning 50, Rob's 53. The real flex is the next 50. But even going back to what you were saying, you know, simply eating real food, you just don't see people overweight that eat real food because when you eat real food, your body is going to create satiety, right? You're going to get full and you're going to stop eating. You overeat fake food, hyper palatable, ultra processed food. And we come into clients, a lot of times the things they think they're eating are healthy are actually damaging and destroying their cellular health and wrecking their mitochondria.

And anytime you see somebody overweight, you already know too who just puts fat in weird places. You already know that they're toxic. One of the biggest metabolic toxins is industrial seed oil. Omega 6 fatty acids at 18 carbon chain, unsaturated fatty acid. It's got the double bonds. It is completely unstable under heat, light, and oxygen. And it doesn't just go in and do its damage and get out. It goes in, your body will store it.

I believe it's got a 680-day half-life. That means after 680 days, half of it is still in your tissue. It gets into your DNA. It gets into your cellular membranes. It gets into your mitochondria. It is a metabolic poison. So a part of our process of evaluating somebody is we have to set them up on a process to help detox them from seed oil.

Because not eating it is a great thing, but what are you going to do to get rid of the stored seed oil? And you can see it'll pack into the love handles around the hips and thighs. Anytime you see weird fat and weird errors that seem to eat, body won't let go of it. That is a toxicity symptom in seed oils at the top of the food chain, for lack of a better word, in destroying metabolic health. That's a huge part of getting somebody's metabolism to heal.

You've got to get rid of the seed oil, but you can't just, you can't dump it immediately. There's a process to help them get rid of it, some fatty acid deprivation, some certain nutraceuticals to help move things out. There's a protocol in place that we've developed. But by doing this, once you dump seed oil and you replace it with real fats like saturated fats, like steeric acid that you get from tallow and butter and ghee. And, of course, our favorite, the world's healthiest oil, short chain, triglyly. Lyserides, S-C-T oil, our number one selling product. And, you know, lard, rendered animal fats, coconut oil. Eating those fats that are stable under heat, light, and oxygen, now you can

upregulate your metabolism. Heck, we see people who can only eat maybe 800 to 1,200 calories a day, go through the process with us, not only lose the weight, now they can eat 2,400 calories, 3,600 calories, because now their metabolism is working for them, which is just throwing a monkey ranch into all of the calorie bro's theology because it's not making any sense, right? Right. So, you know, when we talked before, I kind of brought this up, but we didn't get into it. I care in everything that I do and diet is really where this falls into.

One simple word, sustainability. There you go. You can achieve a goal. You can win a championship. you can have a goal of losing 20 pounds and hit it. That's awesome. But then what? Then what?

So you put somebody on this really harsh diet. They drop down. They get there. They've done all of this stuff that hurts them in a variety of ways. We'll just keep it very simple. Starved themselves, lack nutrients, whatever. You get there. And then what happens?

Oftentimes, it's kind of like people in my kind of line of work that want to use clenbuterol. All the time want to use clenbuterol. And I tell them, beyond the short and long-term damage to your heart, what generally happens with somebody that uses clenbuterol is they lose a bunch of weight. They can't take it forever. They get off of it. And not only do they gain the weight back, but they end up gaining more weight back. Yep.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so the sustainability factor is huge with things. And we can get into this too. I don't like the keto diet because I don't feel that it's sustainable. And I don't like somebody just stripping car. carbs out forever like that. I just don't like it. No, no, that's super dangerous, right? You almost

have to take people and put them on keto rehab because this whole metabolic flexibility doesn't mean you only burn fat. You have to be able to use glucose for fuel. In fact, your body prefers it. It is super important. If you're not eating it, your body's going to make it, right? It'll actually strip down and break down your muscle tissue and collagen to get those amino acids to go into the gluconeogenesis to make the glucose, that is a stress response in the body. And on top of that, your body becomes physiologically insulin resistant. Yes. Because your body has to conserve any glucose you have for the brain, for the gonads,

for whatever areas you need this glucose, it will no longer take it up into the muscle into the liver. This is a really big deal. So people usually feel better going on a keto because usually they're cutting on all the artificial crap. They're cutting out all the processed carbs and refined sugar. But I agree with you on that. Dylan, sustainability with that, it's not sustainable.

And then on top of that, I don't know that it's the best strategy long term because your body does need carbohydrates. In fact, some studies would even suggest you probably need closer to 150 to 180 carbohydrates per day just to meet the physiological demands. Yes. So I want to tell you guys this real quick before I move on. So I literally for the past, I don't know, decade, especially the past five years. It's, it's, and some of this is stress related. Some of it is like I have to hold up a certain thing for what I think I need to be viewed as. But I'm at, I've gotten to the point where like I count my fats and it literally was only coming from the peanut butter I ate.

And I'm talking maybe 15, 15, 20 grams a day max, right? And I mean, I'm eating 14 and 15 servings of vegetables per day. and just like basic egg whites oatmeal and protein powder and that's about it right and i you know i hold up and people like oh you're in great shape and great condition and i am a extremely impatient and irritable b every morning you get out of bed i'm just like oh fuck you know like hurting everywhere i can't i find that i'm trailing off and not staying focused it's it's an abundance of things you're not really losing weight and if your scale looks good you're you're you're not really losing weight and if your scale looks good you your body is not cut, it's not shredded, it's not toned like you want it.

And I'm telling you, dude, like, I've tried to amp it up to like 60 grams of fat. I should probably be at like 80 to 90 realistically, maybe even more, right? And I'm just triggered myself to it. My level of energy, my lack of irritability, my lack of like any sort of losing my trains of thoughts because I'm just pissed off because I'm fucking hungry. And like, you know, like, the list. little as tiniest thing is pissing me off like it shouldn't because i'm not that guy exactly yes and just in a couple weeks like i put this post up i said i just joined the avocado toast club

because i'm eating avocados like things that i wouldn't touch like olive oil and and that's what i do want to ask you about the the mcTO real quick but my i just i want to convey to people that like i hadn't eaten ground beef in like 10 years dude i've been eating the last three days and i'm just like in heaven. I mean, something so amazing. Oh, yeah, you'll start floating around once you start eating grass-fed regenerative beef, man. Was there anything more just nutrient dense? Oh, man. It's superfood that there is one for sure. Yeah. Listen, I can feel your pain on this, too. You don't know this about me, but I, and you know this about me, Rob, but I was, I basically followed the bodybuilding lifestyle once I got out of high school all the way up until my cancer

diagnosis. So when I say the bodybuilding lifestyle and you know it better than me is, you know, I was eating six to seven times per day, small meals, a lot of protein, probably over 250, 300 grams of protein. It was mostly protein bars, protein shakes, egg whites, oatmeal, the whole thing. And I had to eat every two hours because if I didn't, my blood sugar would literally plummet. Yeah. I would become the biggest a hole you've ever met in your life. And it wasn't who I was. But when you start messing with your hormones and you go into hypoglycemia, of course you're going to be an A-hole because your body's in a survival place. That's a very stressful place to be in. So all those insulin hits I had to get because I was forcing my body to be 185 to 190 pounds.

Yes. Well, I'm six feet tall. I now walk around at about 168 to 170 pounds, but I'm not almost dead of cancer. I think it played a role all those years of all the fake. processed food, all the artificial sweeteners, all the insulin hits, driving my body into mTOR. I was basically getting zero autophagy because I'm always eating and always snacking. So I think there's a real, there's a real problem there that you'll see. And I think I made that mistake.

My life is BC and AC before cancer and after cancer. I was crushing seed oils, snacking all day long. So those are some of the mistakes I was making. Obviously, every morning is going to be an hour of cardio. I'm going back to the gym later in the afternoon to do weights, overworking out, stressing my body beyond. And I never used any performance enhancing drugs. So how in the world are you going to put yourself under that kind of stress

in top of food regimen and adapt to that? I think the writing was on the wall for me. Yeah. I don't know what your thoughts are, but I think it played a huge role, brother. Well, yeah, it most certainly did. And it's, so once again, it's one of those things where it's, the bros pass these things around and it's like you can only eat this and that is it and that's

the only thing that's going to work and it's just not factual and when you're yes when you're a bodybuilder and you're trying to do that yes you're going to need X amount more protein than others but anybody that really understands muscular growth and bodybuilding will tell you and grasp the concept that carbs are so important when it comes to that it is so vital that's why you see a lot of people doing like post workout carbs, interworkout carbs, and then the fats. I have been so stuck on this high protein moderate to not low, but moderately low carbs and then very low fat. And that is just wrong.

It's just not right. It's really not. And I wanted you guys's thoughts on what is your feeling on ratios in terms of parts of your diet like do you feel like maybe fats 30 35 protein staint like is do you have a pre-equal do you have one higher than the other where are you guys at like for overall diets on that yeah that's a good good question there um the way we really see it is especially as a part of you know outside of our metabolism program which is a special unique kind of beast the goal is to be on our metabolism program forever. It goes to heal your metabolism and now your body can actually use and burn

the calories that needs and then give your body the real foods, simply eat real food. But the way I look at it and you may disagree, not disagree, you may have a little bit different strategy because everybody is unique is I really eat to the protein and the nutrients, right? That's really what I'm eating. So I'm going to eat when I'm hungry. If I'm not hungry, I'm going to be a little more intuitive and I'm not going to eat. I'm going to honor my body because my body, knows what it needs. So I'm usually around two to three meals a day max. Sometimes I'm going to do one meal a day. But when I do, I always include a high quality source of animal-based protein. So I'm doing regenerative beef, you know, bison, all the ruminant animals that have the

multi-chambered stomachs who could eat the grass and the plants and then biohydrogenate all of those fats to make amazing nutrients and polyphenols and give us all that stuff. What a magical creature to be able to take all the plants and turn it into this amazing superfood that we get to eat. So my favorites obviously are deer, elk, bison, beef. Those are my and lamb. Those are my go-toes. I do eat eggs, pasture to eggs. Clearly you want to stay away because eggs can be a problem for sure if you don't know what

you're getting there. But you want chickens that are outside getting sunlight, eating bugs that aren't stuck in a coop, so lots of eggs. And then so I eat to the protein. And then I look at my energy calories, which really you're fat and your. and your carbs are your energy calories, but they compete at the same time. So what you don't want to do is eat a really high fat meal and a really high carbohydrate meal. All right?

So what you want to do is if I'm going a little bit lower fat, then I'm going to eat more carbohydrate. And that's typically what I do after an intense resistance training session. I'm going to go a little bit lower fat. You know, I don't want to slow down the transit time or the absorption rate. I want to get a quality protein in. And then I'm going to give myself more usable carbs in their simplest form. So usually it's going to be coconut water.

It's fresh-squeeze fruit juice. It's honey. It's maple syrup. Things of that nature. So I'm eating more carbohydrates after a workout, less fat. And then if I'm going to have maybe a dinner that's more animal-based, maybe I'll have a little more fat for my meal and maybe I'll be lower carbs. So I kind of balanced my, like a seesaw, like that that midpoint is going to be your protein

and nutrients. That's what you want to eat the protein for. That should not be your energy food that you're eating. That's for structure. That's for amino acid. That's for muscle repair and building. And then eating more fat, eating less carb. If I'm eating more carb, I'm eating less fat.

Because those two energy sources do compete in the mitochondria down that electron transport chain to create energy. So that's kind of how I see it. I'm not counting it. I'm not on a calculator. I'm not beating myself up. It's not an exact science. But it's how I look at when I'm eating typically when I'm deciding to eat it. deal. Okay. Okay. All right. So essentially, you're doing one or the other and you're having a

pretty good amount of protein. And I'm assuming you'd get a good amount of fiber then throughout the day too. But we know, no, actually not. No. Okay. All right. Are you ready for that topic? Let me finish this. I want to hear all about this. I just want to make sure I understand. So you're basically, and I like this, it's one or the other. You go, High fat, lower carb or higher carb lower fat in your meals in pretty much every meal that you do, but you know not a high fat after a workout for the reasons you brought up, which I hate to stay are obvious, but they kind of are. Okay.

So that's your layout and your structure and how you kind of do it. Yeah, because you know what your body's, yeah, because once your body's gone into resistance training, you're breaking down muscle producing lactic acid. Yeah. You're preferring glucose as the fuel. And red, your heart and your muscles use fat, but not during resistance. training, they move over their metabolic needs to glucose. Yes.

It only makes sense after a workout. You wouldn't want to eat a high fat meal. You don't want to eat a high carb meal. So how do you guys, before I do the fiber question, because now I really want to know, I just am curious, on your meal sizes, because I tend to do, I don't do a million meals a day by any stretch of the imagination. I was just snacking on vegetables all day long, literally like every hour, which I've stopped doing now.

but I'm kind of doing like 350 to 400 on my times that I sit down and eat maybe like four four times maybe because I'm I'm constantly doing stuff and I the way that I work out I kind of have to eat a little bit more because otherwise I'm just

toast right I mean just fucking toast well how many like what are you doing like how many calories are you guys doing per meal because if you're only eating one or two meals I'm assuming they're pretty good size Yeah, you go ahead. I was going to say, so just like, just like Brady was saying,

just on that same line of thinking, I'm still not counting calories at all. Okay. So I'm still counting, counting nutrients and I'm eating to full. Okay. So it's not going to be, hey,

this has this many calories, exactly this many grams of fat, this many grams of protein. It's just going to be I'm eating to full. Got it. And so it's really about like, like he was saying, for me,

it's what, what it is that my body needs, and requires, which is obviously going to be different than what yours is. I'm not exercising as much as you are, for example. So, you know, for me, just to full. Okay. All right. Yeah, no doubt.

I exercise so much less than I did in my 20s and 30s. You know, I found especially going to be a natural type of a weight lifter, you know, less, it really is more, do less things better, you know, three, four times in the gym for maybe 20, 30 minutes is great for me. I like to be outside. I like to walk after meals. I'm always active. I'm always doing something.

But less really has been more for me and I enjoy it better. And I've been some of the best shape I've ever been in in my late 40s, even at 50, that I would even put my physique up against my 25-year-old body when I was spending 10, 12, 15 hours a week in the gym. So I think there's something to be said for that, especially to when you're giving body, really your body really bioavailable nutrient. It's nutrition, body proteins to repair, to heal. Those are really big factors that people gloss over because my nutrition in my 20s was was total shit. You know, like, you know, so it's crazy how resilient the body is, but you're

not going to get away with that as you start getting over 30, over 40, over 50. It's not an age thing, but it's a bioaccumulation of many, many years as your body has not been getting the nutrients that it needed from all the fake processed foods, the multiple meals, the processed sugar, eating too much or snacking all day long versus what Dr. Rob is talking about, more intentional eating, eating when you're hungry. And yeah, the meals are usually pretty big, but not that big. It's amazing, you know, when you just eat real food and you eat it to when you're full, your body really does super, super well.

I think it's a part of that zero-sum game I was talking about metabolically versus trying to force this many micro or macronutrients, you know, into the, into your stomach to get this, you know, what's been told is the correct way to eat. I'm like, man, it's weird how doing a 24 hour fast, I wake up the next day and I look leaner and then I go to the gym and I'm stronger and my weight doesn't change. So it's kind of like, how would that happen? I only ate one meal versus eating three meals that day, yet my weight didn't change, but my hormones changed. And I optimized some key hormones like growth hormone and testosterone and some things of that nature.

So hormonally, that plays a big difference in how you food time it. And I do tons of fasting workouts, which I absolutely love. And I used to never do that. You got to be swigging down a protein drink and a pre-workout, you know, supplement to go to the gym. I haven't done that now in a very, very long time. So anyway, I don't know. I think I've got sidetrack there. but no no i'm going to point this out right now because i looked at the timer we're going to probably

as long as you guys are up for it this is going to be the two three fuck four part series because i got i had things i wanted to talk about i got like a 500 things i want to talk about so that's how good the conversation's been so i'm hoping that we get to do this several more times um in saying that tell me about the fiber thing i'm curious so you you started to say something i kind of cut you off but I absolutely have to hear this. So fill me in on your thoughts on that. Yeah, I've got several thoughts on that. You know, remember when the no fat craze hit?

That was what, the late 80s, early 90s is kind of how I remember it. Yes. Yeah, where they took all the fat out and then they started replacing the fat with more fiber. So you're getting your 30, 40, 50 grams of fiber and everybody became constipated. And so you think that fiber is. is what helps you have a regular bowel movement. I've actually reduced my fiber dramatically. And what you find out is when you take the fat out of your food,

that is what causes the constipation. It's dehydration and it's a lack of saturated fat. So you're not getting butyric acid to the colonocytes, which is the preferred source of fuel to create the energy and to keep the oxygen out of your colon. Plus, the more fiber you eat, it's a bulking agent. There's no nutritional value. You can't break it down.

You can't absorb it. And so it's blocking the small intestine's ability to actually get to the food to get the nutrients. We don't have cellulase in our small intestine, which breaks down cellulose, which is the plant fiber. So eating a lot of fiber can really help. It can actually cause you to be nutrient deficient because you're actually key lating key minerals, key nutrients, and you're not able to absorb it because most of your food should be absorbed. in the small intestine, it should not get undigested to the colon. And now maybe you've got all this undigested food, you've got this resistant starch,

you've got this soluble fiber. If you've ever heard of endotoxin, that can happen very easily in somebody's colon and cause systemic infection and severe problems systemically with all the joints and your organs. So as I begin to remove all the plant-based fibers and stop counting fiber, eating more real food, nutrient dense foods, more fats, more fruit juices, or eating more ripe fruit, I'm getting way less fiber. Current bowel movements are amazing. You shouldn't be having eight bowel movements a day just so you know. That's called diverticulitis. That's called IBS. One good valve movement a day is plenty. That means you're absorbing more of the food and you're not

getting as much waste. So if you're going to the bathroom two, three, four, five times a day, that's an inflamed bowel, and it could be because the fiber is irritating the gut. And lastly, I don't know that I want fiber to bulk my poop to this when it's coming out of a hole like this. That's a good point. That is a very good point. There's more points to that, but does that satisfy your curiosity? Yes, it does. It does.

Yeah, something to think about. Yeah. So, like, because I don't necessarily go and look for foods with a ton of fiber, but I take like, I've kind of gotten into you like with some of my heart issues, so I make sure that I have cillium husk as part of something that I'm taking in every day for different reasons. What do you feel about something like that, like supplementing that during the day? Do you find it because let's say you're not really eating a ton of fiber, but you do take something like that? Are you a fan of that or do you also think that's not really ideal? I guess I don't know why you're taking the cillium. Is it because of the cholesterol binding effect? Is that what you're trying to do?

Yeah, I don't like that strategy, me personally, just because I've got different opinions on cholesterol as well. And it's purpose in the body. And the cholesterol focus, I think, has been a big scam. And it's put people on unnecessary medication and cause horrible problems in damaging effects to their cellular health. You can't build muscle on these statin drugs. You can't create energy. you know, it's a huge, huge metabolic destroying type of a chemical. They start looking at chromaticondria.

It starts to destroy the complex two portion of that electron transport chain, which is the coenzyme Q10, the equinole pathway, you know. So anyway, that's a whole of the conversation. But the whole fiber thing, the cillium and all that, I don't know that it makes a lot of sense to be supplementing fiber, because once again, fiber just doesn't have any nutrients and actually block the absorption of key nutrients. Usually people don't have a fiber deficiency. They have a fat deficiency and they're dehydrated.

You correct the dehydration and give them quality fats. There are no more bowel issues. And you're going to take less, you're going to take pressure off the gut and get less problems in the colon and have less endotoxin. We're going to have to do an entire episode just on cholesterol. And so I want to go to fucking town with you. guys on that like literally i just want to do a whole thing strictly just focused on that because i think that between the three of us i think we can maybe piss some people up but educate a lot of people yeah that need we are we call it being compassionate you're compassionate about these people

and pissed off at the same time so we're being compassionate together in this conversation because we have we do have a lot to say about that for a lot of reasons yeah but you know not all carbs are created equal we're talking about fiber and the types you want to get when to get them and how to repopulate the gut because they do play a role. So there's a little more nuance to the conversation than just no fiber. I'm not saying fibers bad and fibers and a lot of real foods. But I actually went, I went no vegetables for the entire year of 2023. I did not.

I did zero plant based vegetables or plants. So and I wanted to see what would happen when I did that. It was pretty remarkable to see what my body was. doing and a lot of things that I believe were going to happen did not happen. And I definitely didn't become fiber deficient. I can tell you that. That does that thing. I want to talk about the MCT oil compared to other oils.

And I have seen probably in the past year to two years that a lot of people transitioning to that route with the MCT oil. And especially when I get into the biohacking areas and it's like that is definitely the favorable oil that I see used. I want to know two things. Why is that so much favorable now? What happened or what is it that you see or that we found that puts that there? And the saturated fat that comes in that, you know, from that oil as opposed to other kinds of saturated fat, let's say somebody that is supposed to be watching their saturated fat intake or is worried about it or like is that mythical and how bad that is?

and why what makes the stand so far apart? Like, and how do you compare it to like olive oil, which has always been the like go-to oil? First time, I'd ask, who's they? Well, you know who the fuck. They are everywhere. They are everywhere. Who is they?

People making all the health decisions for us. Right? And so you would say, there's nothing, I mean, medium chain triglyish, right, which is what MCT all stands for, if you have a full spectrum oil, for example, like a coconut oil is medium chain, fraglis right? But it's a full spectrum oil.

That's the way it's naturally occurring in nature, right? So when you look at it, you've got short chain one to five carbons long. You've got medium chain, six to 12 carbons long. Well, longer carbons is harder for the body to be able to digest that type of a saturated fat. But here's the problem is that most people now are doing the MCT oil when you see it packaged that way, which is actually a fractionated oil. And so it's right. So they're isolating the carbon chain.

In order to isolate the carbon chain, you've got to break the bond. It doesn't happen like that naturally in nature. So because it doesn't happen like that naturally in nature, our body's not equipped and designed to be able to digest that or break it down. So that's why when people are doing large amounts of this MCT oil and their gut can't actually digest it and break it down they get this thing called disaster pants are you familiar with disaster pants right if you know it's not expeditories yeah i mean you're in the middle of a heavy lift and the next thing you know you've got this uh this accident that just happened your head to the

bathroom but so so that's the problem with that and so you want a like like for for instance our our sc t or short chain triglyceride which is something that the gut should natch make. Well, it's naturally incurring in nature like that, one to five carbons long, but you also want there's so many health benefits and healing benefits to the gut that you get from it, which is why we would never break it down and isolate those chains that way, because it doesn't happen like that in nature. And so the great thing about like with our SET oil is you can heat it at very high heats and it doesn't break it down. And so which is, which is great. And it also tastes fantastic. That's also a great thing too. Yeah. But with

MCT oil or these fractionated oils, you can't heat it up. I don't know if you've ever tried to heat up an MCT oil at high heat. It makes your entire house smells like metal. They use metals to be able to fractionate these these oils. So that's why that's our thoughts on the MCT oil. Yeah, and I wouldn't want to put it in hot coffee too because of the instability and the peroxidation. So that's the thing people don't understand about oils.

It's not just the smoke point. it's the peroxidation point where it's creating oxidative stress. This is why like avocado oil has a high peri or a high smoke point, but very low peroxidation. So it breaks down very, very quickly under heat, light, and oxygen because it's a monoinsaturated fat, just like, you know, polyunsaturative fats are also easily broken down by heat, light, and oxygen. You never want to heat these.

So breaking apart these bonds like he's talking about doesn't make a lot of sense, right? you're trying to eat real food, eat real fats, give your body the most bioavailable nutrient-dense food that you would really find in nature that our ancestors really ate. You know, my great-grandmother lived to be 100, rendering pig lard and churning butter as they're milking the dairy cows, right? She lived to be 100, then all of a sudden everybody got smarter using Crisco and using seed oils and using all these monosaturated fats. We've moved away from animal fats, yet all these conditions that we're trying to avoid are worse than ever. It's not the only cause, but I do think it plays a role. I mean, the French paradox is not olive oil.

It is butter. There's a reason why they have less heart disease. And you go over to Italy, you see a lot of sick-looking people. The olive oil and the seed oil industry is pervasive now in the Italy and some, especially southern Italy. We spend a lot of time there. I know you have as well. So you really want to start thinking about, you know, what are the best fats that's going to give your body the biggest bang for your buck? And those are going to be your animal-based saturated fats, which is why the ST2 oil is an animal fat.

And if animal fats were bad for us, we would all be screwed because we're animals. And guess what's in our body? Animal fats. Right. Right. So, yeah, you just got to be careful with these fats. A lot of these fats are, they're designed to actually slow down your metabolic rate. For example, like a bear, when they go into hibernation, they're ravenous.

salmon, a cold water fish that has high amounts of polyunsaturated fatty acids, omega-3s. Because when you eat those type of fats, it down-regulates your metabolic profile. It's called porpoor. So your body, it's a metabolic state where your body's slowing down, which is what you'd want to do if you're going to hibernate. They've even shown that oleic acid can also trigger the body to go into hibernation because it creates an enzyme pathway called Delta 6 to saturase, which takes your

steric acid, which is your saturated fats in your body, preferred source of fuel for your heart, and it converts it to oleic acid to slow down your metabolic rate to prepare you for hibernation. So I'm not so sure about olive oil. I'm pretty keen on the saturated fats because you can really see the difference and the molecular structure makes the most sense to it. Just from a biochemistry standpoint, and you're looking at how fats break down, how they oxidize and how and their peroxidation rates. So you said with the MCT oil, it's not heated, so you don't cook with it then at all, correct? No.

So you just kind of pour it over something, or is that how you kind of use it, pour it over your food? Well, we don't actually use it at all. Yeah, we don't use it. Yeah, we would never use it. And I've used it in the past. And we have used it in some protocols maybe about eight, nine years ago. But, you know, it's like anything. You do the best with what you know, you learn, you grow.

And now looking at the data, patient. experience with our clients and then now that what we're doing it doesn't make any sense to use that type of a fat anymore i think it's far inferior to like what dr rob was saying more full spectrum fats that you would find in nature so you know shameless plug again but s ct oil i mean that right there that fat is rich and these short chain fats specifically buterate valerate acetate and propionate these prime the gut the brain the liver for fat burning they they really are the molecular link between your nutrition, your gut brain access, and your overall health. Your body has to make them, but most people are deficient in these short-chain fats because

their microbiomes are wreck. So we can directly source these buterate short-chain fats. And then the way we make our product, the animals that it starts off as butter from grass-fed genetically correct cows, that's what we're getting the source of the fat before we take it through our process. they're also fed certain types of grass strains. One of those is called fescue. It's the tall grass.

When cows eat fescue, they create odd chain fatty acids. That new C-15 is sweeping the country as a new odd-chain fatty acid that's great for metabolism and longevity. So that's naturally found in a product that we make, along with all the other cofactors and nutrients that you would find in nature versus isolating it out, throwing it into a jail cap, and then saying, hey, take, you know, 1,500 milligrams of this supplement. You know, we all know supplements have a place in a role, but man, if you can get it from real food, what got traded cannot be replaced. You can't supplement yourself out of a bad metabolism and a shit diet.

No. So, SCT oil is what you guys are using. Yes, that is the product that we recommend, along with other animal-based fats that are going to be high in the longer chain fats, like tallow is great lard if the pigs are pastured correctly obviously grass fed butter that comes from genetically correct cows these are all your stable fats that are loaded with vitamins a d k2 you know all the nutrients and then once again cows who eat all the grass which you know we're not designed to eat grass and all those plants we don't we don't have like

these megacolins like a gorilla yeah gorilla can eat 80 bananas because they got the colon the size of a Mack truck. We have small colons and long small intestines. So yeah, we're not supposed to eat meat. It is a huge part of a healthy diet. And all those saturated fats are found in animal proteins. I really think, Dylan, as you know, we've really been lied to and groomed. And the propaganda on vilifying red meat and animal-based nutrition really is flying in

the face of our ancestors who are all healthier than us eating all those foods. that are now told to be clogging our arteries and making us sick. I'm sold. All right. I'm sold. I have to try this out for myself. What do you guys do with it then? Obviously, if you don't cook with it,

and you just kind of drizzle it on some foods that you eat, or how do you use it? Well, the SETOO? Yeah. Oh, SETO, you can absolutely cook with it. You can. Okay. As soon as we wrap up,

I'm going to head to the house and make me a big fat. juicy grass-fed ribby doubted in some SCT oil. Oh, hey. It's delicious. So you can absolutely cook with it. It's not going to de-nature. It's super stable and high heats. And so, yeah, you can melt it and drizzle along things as well.

So, I mean, anything that you would use a coconut oil or an MCT oil, you know, it's much better to use the SCT oil for it. So it's way better for the gut, the colon, super healing. and it tastes phenomenal. Yeah, and just no reason to eat seed oil anymore, right? You've got to quit eating and cooking and canola oil and safflower oil and soybean oil and corn oil and grape seed oil. All these oils aren't meant for human consumption. They're meant for machinery.

They are under high heat. They're already polyunsaturated fats. So they break down very quickly under heat, light, and oxygen. You're putting tons of free radical damage and reactive oxygen species. and you're poisoning your mitochondria. These real fats taste better. That's one of the number one things you can do just to start feeling better and having better metabolic health.

Stop eating these freaking industrial seed oils. They're not heart healthy. The American Heart Association was bought and paid for by Procter & Gamble back in the 1930s, 1940s and sold them a product called Crisco. And now they endorsed all this nonsense. It's paid them $20 million back in the day. Bought those suckers off. They're still bought and paid for today.

It doesn't mean every doctor who's helping people with their heart is a bad doctor. But they're getting really bad information because you go to your doctor and they tell you, they're going to tell you to stop eating saturated fat, stop eating red meat, get more plant-based, get your six servings of grains and cereals and eat heart-healthy seed oils because they said it'll lower your LDL cholesterol. all and it does, but it comes at a price. Right. Right. Treating one thing to screw yourself in another way, which is typical and everything that I see anymore.

Okay. I'm going to try this then, and I'm going to put it to the test, and I'm going to let you guys know what I think. All right. We've got some coming your way, man. Just tell us where to send it. We'll get that to you ASAP. Yes, please.

I'm in the try it mode right now and testing things out. And I haven't been in 15 years. So now is the time. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I love it. Yes.

I'm enjoying this. I already was amped for this, but like way more than I even expected. So, and I had high expectations. I did. You know, there was something that you said earlier that I really want to know your thoughts on. Because you were listing off different like things on labels and stuff. So this is a two-part question. One, I want to know what your thoughts.

thoughts are on artificial sweeteners because I mean, shit, the list from when I was like in middle school and high school to what it is now, I mean, I'll, xylitol, stevia. I mean, it's like bobo, blah, blah, abo, arrethra chal. It's like monk fruit. It's fucking, it's like trying to, I should be careful with what I say, try to figure out how many genders there are now. You know what I mean? It's like, how many sweeteners are there now? It's crazy. So I want to know what you guys feel like how does that affect you maybe your metabolism do you think that any of these are good are they all bad i see these studies that come out that are probably manipulated and then two when you're looking at a food label and i don't i i know it's not common sense for everybody

but when you're looking at a food label obviously whatever's listed first that's the most that's in there and whatever um but you go down and you see this uh you'll see these different food colors for example, and then you'll see natural flavors. And some of this stuff's tricky because you see that and you think natural flavors, oh, it's fine, you know, whatever. Tell me, I'm curious after you, after you talk about the sweeteners, what your thoughts are on certain things like that I just listed the food like blue two or whatever the hell. You know what I mean? Those, you know, and I know, I have some, I have some facts on those, but I'm sure you guys got more. So I'm curious what your thoughts are on those after you talk about the artificial sweeteners. Well, okay, well, you just said

it artificial sweeteners artificial so if it's artificial it ain't real right put it in your body right so so i mean i i think everybody probably knows the dangers of putting all these chemicals food dyes into their body it's just not okay there they are intercont disruptors it is pervasive it is progressive in nature meaning that once you start damaging your metabolism that's going progress to something like the heart disease or the high blood pressure, the diabetes, all of the chronic health conditions that you don't want. Cognitive decline, whether it's the Parkinson's, the Alzheimer's, if you've ever seen that or been it around anybody that's had that, it's one of the worst things that you could ever

see a human go through, human being go through. And it's more now than ever before. It's more now because we've got the statin drugs that are out there. which are linked, the side effects to causing this cognitive decline. So, you know, it all goes together. So obviously we don't want to put these artificial things into our bodies. And really, God only knows what it is that they're doing now to the steveas, right, which, you know, which does come from a plant.

It does have no, again, it goes back to the no calories thing. So people are going to, it's no calories. It doesn't mean it has any nutrient value to it. So why not put something that's nutrition, you know, nutritionist that has that that is nutrient dense into your body than not? So it goes back to not looking at the calories in, calories out and making sure that your body does have that metabolic flexibility that we're talking about, does have that firm metabolic foundation so that you can put a real food that's not artificial into your body like real honey, for example, as your sweetener. people don't want to put the real honey in there because their body is not fat adapted because now they're afraid of their insulin levels going up and then storing fat. Well, they're only storing fat because their body doesn't know how to burn the fat for fuel to begin with.

And so that's why people are turning to all of these artificial sweeteners because it's a lot easier for somebody to get that sweet taste or that sweet hit, right, that they're so used to habitually. But the reality is this is that when your body truly is fat adapted, and it is burning the fat for fuel, you don't have those cravings. And I speak from personal experience to where, you know what, I used to need to eat something sweet after every single meal. I understand. I used to be teased from saying, you know what, you know, people say, you know, I've got a sweet tooth. People would tease me and say, hey, you don't have a sweet tooth. You have sweet teeth, right?

Multiple, because I always needed something sweet, but once your body starts asking for the right fuels, you know what? It does want the fats. It does want those saturated fats, the fats coming from the beef or animals, which is really high in satiety, meaning that you get full a lot quicker, right? Yeah. So you don't have to eat as much anyway. So that's what I would say to the artificial sweeteners that you were talking about,

whether it's the monk fruit or the arithratol or the xylatol and all those, you know, all those different things out there is real food nutrition is where it's at, get your body where you have a firm metabolic foundation and you don't have to worry about turning to those artificial sweeteners. Yeah, they're, yeah. I mean, and you look at the studies long term, people gain more weight on diets, so does it on the real thing because you can't, like you said earlier, you can't what Rob Peter to pay Paul, you're putting chemicals into your body.

You're not creating satiety. And satiety is when you're eating real food nutrition. So your body's not going to be hungry or crave things that's going to eat till it gets enough nutrients and protein to go, okay, I don't need anything else. If you're still hungry craving the dessert or the sweetener or the artificial sweetener, you haven't eaten enough real food nutrition and your body's still needing something and still wanting something. So I remember back in undergrad.

when I was getting one of my degrees, I was in an upper level microbiology course. And of course, we would, you know, stain all the bacteria. And the number one toxin that we used to kill the bacteria and stain it was red dye. Oh, so. So red dye, just it's just like artificial sweeteners, artificial colors, what they do, they kill bacteria. They're an antibiotic. So they destroy bacteria. Well, guess what mitochondria are?

They're your purple bacteria. So when you use artificial sweeteners, artificial flavorings, artificial colorings, these are the things that wreck your gut. And one of the main ways they wreck your gut, destroy your tight gap junctions, and cause things to become leaky gut and get into your system, these are coming from these sweeteners and they're damaging and destroying your microbiome.

So you're killing all your bacteria, which are so vital to nutrient assimilation. I mean, bacteria are critical for health and a healthy metabolism, and your mitochondria are called the purple bacteria. So all those artificial colors and flavors. Plus, think about it. If you get that big sweet hit, your brain is thinking, okay, now I must be getting carbohydrates, right?

I must be getting a ripe banana or this amazing can. or some type of awesome fruit or honey. And then your body's preparing to get the carbohydrates, but it didn't get the carbohydrates. So your endocrine system is going, wait a second. Your hypothalamus is like, wait a second. Your gut is going, wait a second. Those are all linked together. For a lot of people, you can even do stevia and you're going to get an insulin hit because

the body's preparing to release insulin, yet it didn't get any nutrients. So that's how you start creating more metabolic disease. So I don't think that they're good in the long run. I was like you. I used to eat so much aspartame back in the 90s. All my protein bars, all my shakes. But they're all the same ACEK, sucralose, aspartame, sacrin. I mean, heck, all the tea we drank in my home had the little saccharin tablets and you'd stir

them in there. But these are all metabolic poisons and they damage your gut. There's just no reason to eat those, especially like you said, when you've got God's sugar, eat raw honey. Are you kidding me? I love raw honey. I love maple syrup. I love ripe fruit.

I love coconut water. I love fruit juice. Fresh-squeed fruit juices. These things are not the problem. If you're struggling with those foods that are nutrient dense that are real, you have a metabolism problem, and that's the bigger issue. It made me cringe when you just said that about the blue and what it does and how it effects because you know what i'll tell you like i think it was man i want to say it was like two or three

weeks ago i told my wife i said you know what i said i'm going to do a little little test here i said let's go into the cupboard let's pull out my pre workouts let's pull out the bc ias let's pull out all of this and let's just go down the line because i like to i i try to not eat protein bars but i eat a quest bar before i go to the gym because i need something that's like you know different for me to enjoy it but now that i'm enjoying so much food it's it's different so So anyway, I start going down these lists and I'm going, holy shit, all of these things, they'll say no added sugars, no this, but then sucralose is always listed at the bottom. All of these dyes are listed at the bottom, all these.

And I'm going down the list and I'm going, well, fuck. Like, that's got to be adding up. I mean, over and I'm looking at all this stuff. And then, you know, you go get online and you look at reviews on the ones that don't have all that. And all the bros are talking about how shitty they taste. And it's like, well, dude, maybe they taste good. but what are they doing to you? And so when you said that,

and I said it made, because I was like, you know, and then I kind of blew it off because I was getting ready for the Missy Olympia and all of this stuff I've had going on. Now that you just said that,

now that I really realize just how messed up that is. And then when you look at the accumulation, if you really look at stuff, yeah, it might be at the end of the label, but it's still there. And if you're doing it with four,

five, six different things, well, certainly it's adding up, right? Yeah, no, no question. I don't, I don't buy into the dose is the poison. It's either poison or it's not. Poisons don't come in isolation. So you mean to tell me that's the only poison you took in?

You didn't breathe the air today. Drink the water. Sit on your couch as the flame retardant gases come out of the cushion that you can't smell. There's over 80,000 chemicals in our environment, 10,000 chemicals in our food. We're literally not living in a bubble. So one toxin combined with another toxin with another toxin, the goal is, obviously to count nutrients. You also want to count your chemicals and make sure that you're removing as many chemicals from your lifestyle as you can. Personal care products, the things you

cook with, right, the utensils, the pans, the dishwashing detergents, the deodorant that you use, the perfumes you're using. These are all chemicals, not to mention popping pills, ibuprofen, Tylenols, other medications that you're on. All this stuff has a cumulative effect. It's kind of like a barrel that keeps filling and you don't feel anything. You're like, oh, I'm good, I'm fine. And then when the barrel overflows, that's when crisis hits. The diagnosis is there or all the symptoms start showing up. You can feel great for years before symptoms ever show up.

But it doesn't mean you're healthy. Health is about how you feel. It's about how are you healing? Are you adapting to your environment? And do you know how to play the game? Do you know the rules that abide to every single person on this planet? And I would say for most of us, you don't know how to play the game because you don't know the rules. Yes.

See, I was doing, this is bad to say, for about a year straight, 2400 milligrams of ibuprofen daily because my foot was in such a bad way from all the running, and I'm just trying to push through it. And then, you know, I'm a blood panel guy, right? That's what I do. And that's just like liver elevation, liver elevation, kidney elevation, kidney elevation. And I'm just like, I'm denying myself the facts on my head. Like, what am I doing?

I don't drink. I don't do this. I don't do that. It's like when you're, you just, you realize. So now I'm doing like, I'm taking my stem cell releases, you know, and I'm, you know, I'm, I'm prone to take some BPC 157 when I need to, you know, I read it. But yeah, yeah, that's a whole other conversation. That's, that's my wheelhouse. But, you know, it's looking for making changes and not depending on all of this basic shit.

I mean, there's no other term for it. You can try to be politically correct on it, but it's just pure shit. I mean, and so I love that we're talking about that and explaining to people just how bad so it's not just like small areas. I mean, this is so wide range. There's so many things that we could talk about. I think, though, that I think one of the main things that I personally want people to take from this conversation is so simple yet so hard to understand is just eat real food. And try to take as much real as you can and mitigate and minimize all of the. the nonsense. Like right now, I already know I'm going to cut out because I do use sweet leaf

stevia, which I have been under the impression is the best form of stevia. I'm literally going to go start cutting a lot of that out. I'm going to cut out some of the powders I'm using. I'm going to start using more honey that I have sitting there that I bought at the fair that I knew was so good and I'm just staring at it because I want to eat it, but I'm scared it's going to fucking up, you know, things like that. And then when you're talking about fruit juices and things that so many people are scared of. I would like to point out that the fruit juices you're talking about are fresh squeeze and not filled with a bunch of garbage.

Yeah, let's be clear. Yeah. Fresh. Like tropicana. No. Yeah, right. The light that I grew up on. I don't know.

What was it at? It was like this thick custard style drink that was orange and there was no oranges in it. You know, we got all the food coloring agents. And yeah, no fresh squeeze juices. Yeah. Which are very important because they're going to have vitamin B one thyme, which is critical. for carbohydrate and glucose utilization. Isn't an amazing how God put that vitamin in the juices that we drink when they're fresh

and when they're right? So that's, yeah, no fake stuff. What some of you guys is go-to fresh juices that you recommend or that you personally kind of use for yourselves? Well, for a recent example, we just had some of the freshest grapefruit juice over in Mexico and orange juice. Yeah. Orange juice is one of my go-toes.

Orange juice is my favorite hands-down. I absolutely love fresh orange juice. Maybe some of the best orange juice we ever had when we went to Morocco this last summer. And on the ferry ride over from southern Spain and Tarifa, that famous kite surfing beach and took the ferry over to Morocco into Africa. And they had this big old machine.

They had all the fresh, huge, ripe oranges in the machine. And they just started grinding it down. And it was some of the best orange juice ever had. life. I love it. I was like, how do I get me a Moroccan orange machine? That's what I want. What is your thoughts then on all of like the green juices that people go berserk over and crazy? I'm curious. I really want to hear your thoughts on those because I have my own perspectives, but I want to hear yours. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm going to say. I mean, I think they're a waste of waste of money and they're not innocuous. You're getting an oxalator.

bomb. These are anti-nutrients found in plants. So these are defense chemicals. These are anti-nutrients. They key-lake key minerals. They can block mineral absorption. They can interfere with protein assimilation. So eating a bunch of plant, plants don't want to be eaten. Every organism wants to protect its baby. Plants can't run away like an animal can. Fight or flight, we can fight or we can run. Plants defenses are poison. They want to poison you because they don't want to be eaten. So a lot of these, you know, you start concentrating a bunch of plant greens into a powder. And God knows what type of pesticides or other things are in there or other chemicals. Plus, a lot of plants are on the earth because they actually pull heavy metals from the soil like thallium.

So you don't know, I would never ever want to take a green juice powder or juice a bunch of greens. You want to juice fruit. That is what you want to be juicing because ripe fruit doesn't have the anti-nutrients because the plant wants you to eat. the right fruit, the colors of the oranges and the reds and the yellows that are attractive and warm to the predator or to the animal because the seed that needs to get redeposited is fully developed once the fruit is right. If the fruit's not, if it's green, the plant doesn't want you to eat it and it's going to make you sick because the seed isn't fully developed. Right. So God designed it that we want to eat the ripe fruit. The plant wants you to eat the right fruit

because there's no defense chemicals in you eating right fruit because you're going to redeposit the and keep that species going. So those are my quick, those are my quick thoughts on that. I don't know if you feel, you feel the same way. Absolutely. Yeah. How do you feel about it? Oh, same exact way.

I'm like, yeah, like you was saying, just with the oxalates, the defense chemicals that you're like literally squeezing into that, that juice right there. It's like you're making a poison concoction. No wonder it's green. And it doesn't taste good, right? Yeah, kryptonite is green. for a reason, right? So, so why would that? That's my feelings on that. Yeah, it's just super bitter. I mean, if you know, something that would taste that bad, you know, I don't know. I just, I can't imagine that

that's something that you, a lot of times we think things are supposed to taste bad. They're healthy. I think it's quite the opposite of that. Real food nutrition tastes so amazing. And you can eat as much of it as you can possibly eat because you will get full and you will stop eating and you will not gain weight. Yes, I agree. healthy yeah that that whole good the stuff that's good for you taste fat is such a crock of shit and like i i totally disagree with people that say that i can tell you like a lot of my life i've fallen victim to um just i just started eating avocados like four or five days ago and i've had this in my head that i don't like them and i don't know why and i i just went in there because my wife

eats them every day and i said cut that she looked at me like i was crazy i said cut that open let me take a bite of it. She's just looking at me like, huh? And I'm just like, totally different guy all of a sudden out of nowhere. It's just, it's refreshing to hear it from guys that really, really know. And just because, look, and I want to point this out to everybody, everybody that does something that's a professional that does something always has to have somebody else they can go to and talk to because just because we teach something doesn't mean we always do it. And so for me, personally, and I'm sure for a lot of people watching, this is a breath of fresh air because then I get reiterated to me like, hey, you need to take a step back and listen and not think

you know everything. And thank God, the older I've gotten, the far less that I think that I know. Because if you were trying to tell me this stuff 10 years ago, I'd do this. I'd smile on your face and be like, fuck these guys, man. What are they talking about? I've done the same thing to anybody else too. Wait to get our age and you're going to realize how many things you've had to unlearn. Almost everything I believed, I found out I was light to. not believed it. I didn't know why I even believed it. I really hadn't done my due diligence. But everything is true right up until the moment that you find out that it's not. And unlearning and relearning is a powerful skill set. They say real knowledge happens once you know

at all. That's right. That's right. I always, always, always say you can never know too much, but you can always know too little. And some people look at me for a second. They have to think about it. And I'm like, dude, if you even have to think about that, you just think that. Yeah, It's just another story for another day. So I know we've gone so long. I've got five thousand other things that I want to talk to you guys about. So we have to do it again. Let's do it again.

Yeah. Absolutely. We have to. Why don't you tell, because I really, really, really want people to follow you and listen to you. And I want you to have the audience that you absolutely deserve. So I will link everything for you in every post that I have. But you tell everybody now how they can follow you and what else you have. and what else you have going on like with your own product lines and stuff so that people can reach you.

Yeah. So if you go to the happy healthy life.com, that's where you can learn more about us. That's where you can be able to get linked up to our podcast and different products are on that site as well. And then really, you know, an action step that people can take to be able to find out really how their metabolism is. Yeah. They can go to metabolism score.com. And we've got a free quiz on. on there where you can fill that quiz out.

It's going to tell you where you're at as far as your metabolism goes because once you know that you've got a metabolic problem. Now you can do something about that. So we have action steps that you can take after you take the quiz based on what it is that you score. So you can go there. And then if you just want to get some great content, great information from us all the time, want to ask us questions.

You can do that on Instagram. So at Instagram, if you go to the H, H, the, The number two, life, that's where you can be able to send us messages, ask us questions right there. We respond back to all the comments on there. We love it when we see people on there asking us questions. Of course, we like to ask a lot of questions as well. So we'll challenge your thinking as well.

We don't mind doing that. We like to disrupt. No doubt. No, that, yeah, I love it, man. Yeah, thanks for, I think that's how we connected with, with you was through social media. Yeah. So what a blessing, man. What an awesome thing that's been.

I think there's a real synergy here. So today's been really fun. Thank you for hosting and allowing it on. You got to come on our podcast too, Dylan. Would you come on our podcast? It's a guarantee. You don't even need to ask. Let's do it.

All you got to do is whoever you guys or whoever's in charge to have them contact me. And I will make it a priority into my schedule. Oh, thank you. Yeah. We'd be honored. Thank you, brother. Absolutely. Yes.

And literally, thank God that everything fell into place the way that it did right. now for me or I would have never in a million years come across to you had I not really found myself and realized that I what I was doing was good but it wasn't on the path that I should be on and through a lot of prayer, a lot of discernment and everything I got on that path and then I ran into you guys on that path. So I am I am grateful and appreciative and I thank you so much for your time and we certainly will be doing plenty more together. So I learned a lot. I know my audience did, and I can't thank you enough.

So everybody watching, this is the happy, healthy guys. So make sure that you follow them. Both doctors. So you can, and you could trust me, I'm telling you, you could take it to the bank what they're saying. So everybody, stay tuned for plenty more. Dylan Jameli and the happy, healthy guys, signing off.