The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #131 Featuring Steve Martocci, Co-Founder and CEO of SUPPCO! Changing the supplement world as we know it!! BRINGING TRUST, TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY AND SAFETY TO OUR SUPPLEMENTS!

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

Episode #131 Featuring Steve Martocci, Co-Founder and CEO of SUPPCO!  Changing the supplement world as we know it!!  BRINGING TRUST, TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY AND SAFETY TO OUR SUPPLEMENTS! Going into my interview with Steve Martocci, I knew there was going to be one glaring problem and as we were finishing, I was 100% correct... TIME... I felt like we had barely even begun talking when it time to conclude but it left plenty of room for part 2, 3 and beyond.  I met Steve at the Eudemonia wellness convention last November and what was supposed to be a quick meet and greet turned into a nearly hour long back and forth, and the only reason it stopped was because the expo hall was closing.  You can see and feel the synergy IMMEDIATELY!  In short, everything Steve has touched and created has turned to gold, from Splice to Blade, GroupMe and his most recent, SUPPCO.  Steve's brilliance along with INTEGRITY in his motive and premise is clearly seen in his messaging and business creations.  Steve stresses his mission the entire podcast on changing the supplement world, which is filled with bad actors, misleading marketing, skewed studies, fraudulent product sales and inflated prices that are taking advantage of people financially along with health and safety.  The reasoning behind SuppCo was to bring transparency to every consumer and put TRUST back into the minds of everyone.  We touch on the current state of the supplement industry and the changes he has been able to make in a short period of time.  This leads us to a discussion on peptides, sarms and research chemicals and the effect they have had on the supplement world.  We then discuss the importance of education in what we are putting into our bodies, along with knowing the integrity of companies we are buying from.  This takes us to utilizing technology in health management, making it easy to understand yet comprehensive to cover all the bases.  Steve discusses new innovations being developed and his vision on the future of supplements.  We then switch course and talk about our own health challenges, which drove us both to do everything we can to make a difference for others.  Steve and I have a back and forth on the role genetics play into our health and ways to overcome different challenges we face.  We wind down with a long discussion on comparing clinical studies vs. REAL LIFE experiences.  This discussion is EYE OPENING and sheds a lot of light on some of the practices we need to be aware of!  This conversation is an epic yet has so much more to touch on!  DO NOT MISS THIS EPISODE!!     NOTE:  Post recording, SuppCo was acquired by Function Health.  Read about the acquisition here!  https://supp.co/articles/founders-note-14-function-acquires-suppco         Check out the SuppCo website: https://supp.co/       Follow Steve on Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/smart/?hl=en         SAVE 20% off Pique Life Nandaka!! https://www.piquelife.com/pages/nandaka         Today's episode is sponsored by TIMELINE!    To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN     _______________________________________________________________________________ Jinfiniti:  The world's most TRUSTED, RELIABLE and PROVEN NAD+ Optimization Program Save 10% with code DYLAN   https://www.jinfiniti.com/dylan-gemelli-protocol/?_ef_transaction_id=&oid=4&affid=131         Qualia Life Supplements:  Save 50% off PLUS AND ADDITIONAL 15% off with my code DYLAN   www.qualialife.com/dylan         The worlds FIRST EVER Topical Glutathione at AURO WELLNESS!  SAVE 15% with code "DYLAN" https://aurowellness.com/dylangemelli         Get the Apollo Neuro for $99 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli         TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast           MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN         HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli       Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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five, six months. And I'm telling you, we hit it off probably within the first minute of conversation. He's a serial entrepreneur. And he's built some, some pretty mega things. Then when I came to find out, it was shocking because I've used so much of it. But the main one that really drew me to him was that he was a co-founder in GroupMe, which a lot of you have heard of and probably used. And the other one was Blade and also Splice. But today we're going to talk about what he's most known for, I feel.

And I think this is the most impactful. We'll get into why. But it's SUPCO. And you've listened to plenty of. of my shows. It's been brought up multiple times. I can't wait to talk about this because it affects every human in some sort of way. And the work that you're doing is God's work, which we will talk about as well. So, I mean, there's only so much I can say, let's get into the conversation. Welcome, Steve Martochi. I'm so happy to be here. Dude, we had a great conversation. I felt like

we should have been just recording our first hang. So I'm glad we got this. Yeah. This particularly, I think there's something special there. So let's talk about some of the struggles. Yeah. Some of the things you've gone through which kind of paved the way. Man, as a kid, I was always the heavy kid, you know, really overweight but tried to play the sports. I would always make the team because I was tall and I would always be the biggest disappointment. You know, like I would play entire seasons of football as a kid and not gain muscle mass and not drop weight.

And it didn't make any fucking sense. I would like, I would like two a day football summer practice, you know, like endless, like the whole season. And it was just like really tough. And medicine kind of failed me as a kid. Like no one had a solution for me. I saw an end of chronologist. They were like, oh, your thyroid's on the low end of normal. So we can't do anything about that.

Even though my mom had hypothyroidism and that stuff, no one back then would do anything. And then I got really drawn to computers and programming because it was kind of like my creative art. I was good at it. And it was more fun for me than the sports works. I sucked at them so much. And that like led me down a path, right?

So started, went to Carnegie Mellon, started really, you know, building my own software. I only really liked to work on projects that I want to exist in the world. And, you know, eventually I led me to create a group meet. We made it in 24 hours at a hackathon. And now just to go to concerts with our friends. Wow. It was just pretty awesome. And we sold it really fast.

Like it only went for 13 months before we sold it to Skype. And we had really pioneered, you know, what so many of the features you see today and like I message. I once interviewed someone who worked at Apple and said my job for three years was to copy everything you built in GroupMe into iMessage. Wow. So like when you send an emoji

and it goes big on its own, like we did that first. So that was a great journey except for while I was doing it, I was, you know, I'd hit 300 pounds in college. And by the time GroupMe sold, I was almost 270 pounds. And my, I was drinking a ton,

I was eating a ton, and there was zero focus on my health. And so had some success, was like, man, I want to stay alive. It found a functional medicine doctor and that changed my life. You know, we started doing lab work instead of just saying like, you're on the low end of normal. It's like, let's try this and measure this and take action and totally transformed. I mean, diet and exercise was a big thing. But, you know, getting, getting tuned in on supplements, medications, you know, my thyroid, all that stuff worked and I dropped 70 pounds, you know, and probably like at that point 50 pounds.

And people would ask me like, oh, what did you do? And no one wanted to hear diet and exercise. OZemPEC was a decade away from being a thing. And I would have this ugly, you know, Google spreadsheet of my medication supplements and stuff. And I would try to share that. And they wouldn't know what to do. They'd go to their doctor. They don't know what to do.

It was kind of like so early, you know. And I was really shameful, like, of my whole kind of, you know, what is now dinner table, biohacker, just day-to-day conversation. I felt really deficient. I felt really like broken. So I like actually would hide some of the stuff and like I didn't want people to know that I was trying HCG or doing things to like work on my testosterone because like I was alone. It wasn't a community that it is now, you know? And but I had this that concept of like stack sharing back then. And then I went on and built, you know, kind of co-founded blade, which is like kind of like a Uber for helicopters vibe in New York. We just built the app as a side

project to what I was really doing at Splice, which is helping musicians collaborate. And then Splice has grown to, I ran it for eight years and hired a new CEO and still grown, you know, used and by the majority of top 40 music made with our samples and loops, which is really cool. But when I was done, I'm like, I'm such a builder. I like to build. That's like really my thing. The software that I want to exist.

And, you know, I wanted to build again after the, it took a year off, wanted to build again. And this concept of stack sharing and the concept of like getting my supplements and what part of preventative medicine could I play? What part of this revolution in consumer health could I play? And I kept coming back to that concept, started down the path, building it, and then realized, like, wait a second, everything is broken in supplements. Like, end to end, like, sure, which new, what can new supplements even do for me? You know, who do I trust? What brands are worth taking? You know, which ones work together, right? Where are my friends taking? And then, you know, getting down to, like, how much did I spend on them? And what should they expensive, too? And

So we kind of just realized that there was this huge consumer education problem and that, you know, Subco was born really with the stack sharing, but then turning into like, how do we make sense of supplements for everyone? And it started to become like a real consumer trust layer for the industry, which has been very cool. So that's my background, it's the origin. And, you know, I'm here to talk about SUPCO and so much more.

You know, I always say I read the comments of everything, care what anybody says about me or the, back and forth people have the arguments and everybody care about concerns and questions. And the number one that is constant and consistent in everybody's, every big name, everybody that has a lot of followers in post is one simple word confusion. And it's in everything. How do we know what to eat? It feels like we can't eat anything anymore.

How do we know what to buy? It feels like everything's a scam. How do we know anything really because there's so many people saying so many different things? And I'm sure that you agree. because you probably see the same thing. And I have a feeling that one of the reasons you created subco was to correct that. I mean, look, I'm really, there's so much good happening in, you know, the positive change in consumer health. But it's really a loudest voiced wins kind of mentality and like a lot of voices.

And making sense of that is just, I don't even know how you do it. And like also, like I don't always feel like people are speaking to me. Like, you know, you look at some people's routines and they're like, they're like, oh, you got to wake up and do your more. gratitude journaling, then you got to do your meditation, then you got to get in the side, work out, then you get in the stuff. It's like, by the time they list all the things they've done at a day, like, you're not speaking anymore. I have 90 minutes, you know, four days a week, five days a week, max. You know, I got to have two-year-old, you know? Like, so, like, I also feel like the biomaxing kind of vibe that's going on right now versus just like really digestible information

that can work for people. There's a big gap. Because I think the voices that, that break out on social media and, you know, in just the current landscape of today are these loud, big, kind of like, really, they're really kind of extreme in a lot of ways. Yeah. So like our app, you know, our average user is a 55 year old woman. Well, I found out. We just like looked at the demographics and like that's who we're, we speak to a very wide demo, but like the highest concentrations in that. And like what, how do people resonate with their health in a way that just doesn't feel like they're being sold something that doesn't feel like they're being hyped around something? And so, you know, SEPCO, you know, we start by really just, there's so much about products that and brands that the good brands spend a lot of time trying to do things right.

You know, you have the body bio founder on here and, you know, they work so hard at trust. And no one surfaces even that information well. And so we've tried to create an experience in our app and the website that kind of like guides people through each step of the process to help them figure out who they can trust, build a routine. that they can stick to also and keep optimizing it and speak to them in a very, I'm not going to say boring because it's actually pretty engaging content, but not in a loud way. Yeah. You know, and I take a lot of pride in that.

I love it. You know, I'll give you a little insight into the world of what you would call an influencer in terms of how people come at you to try to get them to work and what goes on. Yeah. I don't, I hate that term. And if you think about it, what do you think that paid athletes and everybody that was, it's an endorsement. deal is essentially what it is right so they just use people that have good followings online to be

endorsers yeah that's it so the problem is is that most see the contracts see the big money for very little works and just do it and a they really don't know anything about the products they get a script set and read it be they've never really used it so they really don't know if it works well or not and see they do it so often nobody trusts them so from my perspective I feel that if you are considered an influence or somebody that's putting out content you have a responsibility to others which is know your shit and right first of all which by the way you really do well thank you man i appreciate that yeah thank you and really i think there's you and i had this discussion which we'll get into it's more of an ethical thing a god-given thing where you just try to do right by everybody

and I think that you owe that to people to do your research like I do on every person that comes on here, for example, because I owe it to you to not waste your time flying out here to me and to the audience to see who you are. But I think that the conveyance of the information, when I put content out, you go watch mine and it's like, I just sit and rip. People send me these scripts and all this. And when I've tried to do that, A, you ask my wife,

I'm the biggest jerk ever because I can't do it because it's not authentic. And it doesn't work for me, but B, that's all you see. And so I have been doing this 20 years in terms of around the supplement industry. And so I'm curious for you, when you kind of got into the supplement industry, and I'm not saying Subco,

I mean where you got exposed to business and how it works. And what you've seen over the years, has it gotten better or worse in terms of the marketing? Do you feel like it's more flooded now than it's ever been? Like we track now.

So one of the great features in Subco, scan any product, you know, bottle, the label, all that stuff, you can find it. We track 290,000, I think. You're 280,000 products on the platform? And, like, there are quarters where it grows by, like, 40,000, you know, like, there's just so much coming to market. And so, like, how do you make sense of that?

Right. And so, you know, you've seen it with some of the testing we've done. You know, Sean was talking about it too. Like, you know, Amazon is just full. And the world is just getting full of these, like, how do I bring these things to market fast? No care of quality. even put the right marketing on it so that I make a buck.

Yeah. You know, and I think, look, health care and capitalism are a tough one. You know, like your health and capitalism. It's just like, how do you find the right mix? And it's really hard. Yeah, it's really hard. Doesn't sound right, you know? But like at the same time, you know, there are been such massive advances in pharma

because dollars got spent on research and, you know, they could plan out decades ahead. But for the ability right now, you know, especially, and I think it's going to get worse, actually with AI, making it easier and easier. to launch a business. Like, you know, we, we've tested a bunch of products and, you know, some of these top ones on Amazon, like Sean talked about our creatine report, creatine gummies, you know, four of the top six creatine gummies came back with zero to micro amounts of creatine in them. And Amazon just kind of pushes top sellers because they're just in like a marketing funnel. So the kind of unfetterated access or unprotected access to like the similar we were

talking about influencers with loudest voice wins. like the marketing dollars win too. And so like that's kind of where having just like a place to go that you know that that's not happening. And look, it is hard. People, people accuse us all day long of like being in bed with supplement companies. They think we make even even the affiliate. We turned off.

We had for a little while affiliate revenue on just to like see, you know, if we were, because we were driving sales. We turned it off because we were like, no, no, no, no, no. like we can't we can't have our skin in this game and consumers need to trust us because there's not a place to do that anywhere and so like I don't think it's going to get better it had to be honest in fact I think it's getting worse in the peptide space like you know like now the amount of people I see entering the space is like as soon as the regulations change uh the amount of spend and the amount of dollars and the amount of marketing dollars and then the same here's the celebrity one

And here's the same shit because people care about their health. People will spend on this. And so you really, we really just want to strike the right balance of capitalism and health and, you know, empowerment. You just opened up a can of worms, my friend. Sure. I knew we would open up the worms as a conversation. So, okay, I have, I discovered peptides and SARMs in 2011.

Way ahead of the game. Yes. Way ahead of the game. So that was the first. research chemical companies and there was not many yeah you know 15 20 max yeah and it progressed when when pro hormones got banned then it turned into whoa what are we going to do because we just people that had spent millions of dollars were screwed because you're going to prison yeah right if you sell these yeah so what did they do well they they did two things they found sarms

started putting them in capsules and selling them and or marketed SARMs but we're putting their their old powders in there because they had all that material yeah and they had to get rid of it and then people started getting really bad side effects because those are steroids yeah pro hormones are just designer steroids yeah well then what happened well that got of course you can't sell those as supplements so that got shut down you know selling SARMs as supplements and and marketing it that way so then it's like okay and everybody figured out the research chemical side of things and And then they explode. Well, now they pop up every day.

Every day. Every day. Like the trend right now in the last even couple weeks, just in 2026, it's out of this world. Yeah. And the amount of entrepreneurs now who realize, especially with AI, I feel like there's the crypto energy coming in, which is like, oh, there's this gold rush. I need to get in. And like, it's wild.

And like, my trainer was like, you know, there's some really interesting stuff. Like, look, Oz. The kind of GLP ones have really transferred. for it. Like the tailwinds for consumer health are incredible. But also they broke down the like needle phobia in a way where like people really could never comprehend the concept of injecting anything. And now they understand what a subcue needle is. And they're like, whoa. And that I can talk in a little while too about solutions for people where we even have more existing needle phobia. But my brother lost 70 pounds on trans appetite. Like change his life. Right. Also craved addiction. Like, you know, has done so much healthy for him. And he finally became like a believer in. medicine. And, you know, now he has his full supplement stack that he believes that it takes. And then he got into the peptide game. But he can't, my brother can't afford, you know, the concierge doctor and the the way that you could get them even before they were kind of, you know, reclassed on the, on the compounding route. And he showed me what was going on with some of the underground buying.

And it was like the, you talk about capitalism and health. It's like these people grouping together, buying these things direct from China, sending them out for testing, like this whole kind of community aspect of it was like pretty like there was something like kind of beautiful about it to be honest of like people trying to help each other to get these things safely and send them out for testing and like all that but that little community effort feels like it's going to go away and it's going to come in with all of these you know d to c brands and all these people who are going to be stepping on it making a bunch of margin it's terrible it's going to be and like I don't know what the cack is going to be for people trying to buy you know ads for their peptides once this drops but like

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So I'm privy to all kinds of information. Yep. That nobody really would have. And you go down this list and you see these recommendations. And I'm sitting there going, man, this company here is charging, I don't know, $40 for one product. Next one's charging 70. Next one is charging is 60.

You know what's funny? Every single one of these companies, they're getting it from the same exact place. Same API. Same everything. They're getting a different label, which is theirs put on it. And so-and-so is telling me that,

oh, this company's so much better than this one. I've had them both. And it's like, really, because that's the same Kit Kat wrapped up in a different rapper, my friend. And all you're doing is you're paying for a name. And it might be the same, like, person. Yeah.

Making five brands. Like, not even the same. No, it is. It's just like fanatics and fans edge and footlocker. They're all the same. Yeah. They're all the same. It's just a different name put on it. Yeah. So it some of those places, just like you said, I found because I was involved into a lot of what would you call it investigative journalism, I guess to find this all out. And, and what I found was a lot of these places had two, three, four of their own brands and we're doing exactly what I said. And they'd run a really low end. And, you know, cheap one. Yeah, yeah. Oh, then there's the premium one. Then you can create your own controversy on the reddit floor because you just look like you're talking about a couple different brands. Yes. But like, dude, this is like, this is the thing that's also scary about this. Like, one, there's the whole purity and like, you know, quality side. And like, look, I love that we we really have stuck to the supplements because we've, we really feel like we're providing

the right layer of consumer protection on it. Like, you know, we're not saying government should regulate this stuff. We can do it in a free market. And like, be good actors. But this like next frontier, it's also like these compounds also can be very, I mean, you know the history on these things. The side effects and the effects are like not a joke. No. You take the wrong dose of some of these things or even the right dose for the, like, for your genetics and like, you know, real, real bad stuff can happen. The problem is, is a lot of the meatheads. And I'm sorry if you don't like that, but it's, it's an accurate comment. They function on a one-tracked mind that is, let's get as big as we can. Don't worry about the next hour.

let alone the next 20 years of our life, and they don't have any sort of understanding out of this tunnel vision that all that matters is how big or strong you can get. And then they give that advice, and they encourage other people and say people like me are weak or don't know what I'm talking about because I'm telling people,

you're going to hurt yourself, right? And so then the influencers, the young ones that don't know what they're doing, that listen to that or whatever, or trying to make a quick sale, they're really hurting people. They're like not just kind of like severely and they're wrecking lives. And that's why, you know, education's so important like we were talking about.

I'm scared of like even, you know, some of this looks maxing stuff that's been in the, the zeitgeist now too. I worry about the mental health of some of these kids too. But like, look, I'm an interesting case, right? Like I'm going on a, you know, health and wellness podcast and I'm not like Mr. Jacked over here, you know. Like I kind of like, it's even intimidating for me to like be. in this space because some people really feel like they think like I feel like I'm battling my genetics in a lot of ways and I don't want to feel bad that's weird I want to like be able to have opinions but not feel bad about it but it makes me not take a big spotlight either because I'm like you know

I'm not like telling you like you should do what I'm doing it's interesting I'm chasing down this I mentioned this to you in our kind of pre-call I I'm chasing down actually so my son is two now he didn't walk till he was 18 months and And I was worried about him because he didn't feel like he was like gaining muscle mass. And I was like, oh, wait, this is the problem that I have. So I've been down this rabbit hole recently of trying to, I brought up genetics because, like, I'm trying to get to the root of what my kind of issues with muscle growth have kind of been. And I found out that I'm a carrier for a thing called Pompey's disease.

Really? So if you have full-on Pompeii, it's terrible. Like, your body doesn't, it's basically like an issue where you don't have an enzyme that clears glycogen from, your lysosomes. And so your muscles are basically always in a state of needing repair because they can't clear the glycogen. And so what is interesting is like Pompeii's, they're like, well, you don't have Pompeis disease, but you are a carrier, but like no one talks about subclinical Pompeis disease. Like by having one copy of the gene, I have 30 to 70 percent less of the enzyme than a normal person would have. I don't have full on floppy baby Pompeys, which is very terrible.

But like, wait a second, maybe this is the root of why I've had so many. struggles. And I can't find really like a doctor on the planet Earth who like talks about this stuff because they're treating disease. But man, the figuring this out with AI and blood work and like I've, I was hoping I was going to get the results this morning for some lab work I'm doing, like really tracing down. Do I have how much of the enzyme and that kind of stuff? But I'm like close. We could only run the test through the Mayo Clinic and had to send in like it. Like it's like, but there is some very cool, very positive, you know, consumer health that's going to come out of the AI, you know, generally.

generation here, both on, you know, treatments and I think, you know, new therapeutics. Yeah. Well, when you go to functional doctors or people that have stepped out to go do that kind of practice, they take a lot of pride in figuring out. Figuring it out. Yeah. Right. They want to figure it out.

Yeah. That's like that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a challenge that they want. That's why they went and did that. Yeah.

Because I'm not saying that the other doctors are back. They don't have the time. They don't have the time. No. And that's the whole thing. I think it's so amazing about this AI era. is like the cycles, the feedback loops were so long when it be like schedule with the doctor

or go talk to them about a condition and get blood work back. It could be like five months before you even have the one relevant conversation about how to do anything. But now we have like, okay, asynchronously go get your blood work over here, your function labs come back,

put them into chat, GPT, get an analysis, figure out already how to go. Like it's just shrinking the path of care so well. And empowering people so much. I think it's a really amazing time. Like going to great clip. or going to a barber. Yeah.

You're going to be in 10, 15 minutes and you're getting the same damn haircut, no matter what you say. Right? Right. So if you go to the doctor, you're getting the same five-minute prognosis and likely the same medication. Like, tell me, I know you're dealing with what, low ejection fracture? Low ejection fraction.

My brother has that too. Yeah. My brother has. So we have a family gene on hit. He has it. I don't have it called FLNC. That causes him to have a cardiomyopathy very early in life. He found it in his 20.

And his injection fraction has been low. It's been like, you know, 40, I think it has been. Yeah. It's low. It's low, right? He's just gotten it up with, he thinks, he thinks SS31 and some of the stuff that he's doing has been helping. So, yeah, I know you've been struggling.

Yeah. I didn't have the gene. I had the cocaine and steroids and eating disorder gene. But I think that's what contributed to mine. And I honestly think the overtraining has also been a contributor to it. Yeah. So generally ejection fraction for where you want it to be is 55. Yeah, 55 is quite strong.

Actually, mine was down to 45. Now they put me on Jardians for- He takes that- He doesn't agree with me so well. And that's because Jardians is meant for diabetes. Yeah. Secondarily for the heart because of all the pressure it takes up your heart. It's a major diuretic.

Yeah. So I'm having heart palpitations all the time and freaking out because of all of the loss of electrolytes and water. I kept track. My wife will tell you, I was peeing like 18 times a day. I can't imagine. Well,

and imagine the type of training I do that. Anyway, I went through, I try to do natural stacks to help this. So, D. Ribos is a big one, high dose ubiquinol, but S is 31 is big time. Yeah, I think so, right?

Yeah, it is. And that is what I was going to say that I would recommend to look at because Entresto, is for me. It takes that. Yeah. Well, it's an anomaly.

For me, my blood pressure is already 99 over 62. I think you had to stop because it lowered his blood pressure. Yeah. 99 over 62. Well, I got high. 90 minutes of cardio a day. We'll have low blood pressure. All right.

But one, mind being a little bit lower as normal for somebody that has trained to the amount that I have. But it's just keeping a monitor on that and doing the right things. And then listening. I still don't listen well with the training. but there are plenty of natural things to do that people may not be aware of because they're so reliant on meds. And it's like you rob Peter to pay Paul. Totally.

So it's take this to offset this. Then they wanted to put me on something else to control the heart squeeze. And then they want to do this. And before you know it, you're my uncle that's on 30 pills on a time schedule. How do you unravel from that? Like, how do you step back? You have no. Like, well, you mentally and physically become reliant on that.

Yeah. Right? And you can over supplement, too. Oh, for sure. When I was the first week that the idea for Sepko came up, I, it was literally, this is great. This is very much also on, you know, your faith-based side of things. It's like, yeah, I have an idea, have it that day, go to dinner with a friend that night. She's like, I spent four hours today going through all my supplements, figuring out how I could take less pills and save money.

And I was like, what? Like, what did you? Are you in my brain? I really happened. And then a couple of times. days later someone said my their mom had dementia like symptoms and they ended up finding out it was because she was mega dosing vitamin D and didn't know it wow and like true story it's because the overdose thing is real like we one of the things in subco is you get your full stack and like honestly

there are I would say that maybe I don't know sub five percent of doctors in the country know what you're actually taking from a supplement perspective they're like what do you take your like yeah fish oil magnesium. They don't know. Like if I try to list mine, 30 products, no, like the whole thing. But we actually give, our number one most requested feature this quarter has been the ability to download a PDF of your stack so they could take it to their doctor. Really? Yep. And we gave it to it. We built it. And so like, simple as feature, but like they want to have conversations with their doctors about actually putting in their body. And so being able

to see your total so you don't overdose something was definitely a very early inspiration. That's great. That's a great feature. Even D's in a lot of things too. Yeah. Well, dude, you know how easy it is for me, like when I found out about my heart? Yeah. The first time, which was the found some plaque in there, I, when I tell you that I researched night and day, but then you know what happens, well, this is good for it. Well, this is good for it.

Well, this is good for it. I found plaque at 35. Man, I did my first, as a nut job that I was. I did my first calcium scan at age 30, which is yelled. And then at 35, they found plaque. and the answer was, well, you're off the charts because we don't have anyone's chart. There is no chart. There's no.

There's no. Eight back then. Eight. Eight. Five. Five. You know, low. Low.

But I had something. The fact that they said that you had anything at in your 30s was a problem. You wanted zero in your 30s. And then I was 70 by 40. Wow. Okay. So you had a pretty good jump. Yeah.

That's a progressive jump. I want, yeah. You know, and I was on a staten at that time. So yeah. Then that, that, that's a. your answer where nothing changed good news the statin kept it so it's calcified it's all calcified it's all calcified it's just better than you walk around soft soft black and you open you're 40 but like dude I'd probably be dead in my 50s you know at that progression rate

and so you know for me that's a mon zeta I'm on statin you know I'm gonna get over to Ropath and none of my doctors want me to go on Ropath of course they don't no freaking annoying of course they don't why would there and um because it's the best it's the best but I do take a lot. I have pretty high dose. I have not gotten scan since I started taking a high dose nanokineses. And it's probably been three years. So like I wanted to go get earlier, clearly done like last year.

And they're like really please wait every five years. You can't do that much, you know, radiating. Yeah, don't take the radiation. Dude, I can't wait until next year just to see you to the nanokines do anything. I mean, they've just been all these recent studies that are coming out. And like, I've been hardcore for for years. So let's see. You know, it'll make a difference from my progression starting with stuff early.

And by the way, this is the stuff that's missing for like we're talking about all the supplements. We're talking about all the, you know, amazing enhancements we can do, but like not knowing your calcium score. Dude. It's a look, it's a step by step thing. Calcium score, step one. Yeah. See what it says. You always want the echocardiogram to see the functionalities of the heart.

But then if you have placting, of course, you get the CT NGO. Got you. Check that. See the amount. It'll give you the percentage where it's at, but it doesn't show you the soft. So then we, we get it. Then we go to the clearly. Yeah.

You got to step by step it. Most people don't find any of this out until they are symptomatic. Yeah, until they're done. Dan, done. And especially like endurance athletes. I know endurance athletes that didn't realize that that endurance can lead to heart plaque. And like they're walking around with 250, 300 and have no clue.

And like, who, you know, that one alone, you know, like I'm very happy that the, you know, the movement to, you know, preventative, you know, I'm a, uh, uh, functioned health seed investors are some of my best friends. And, you know, getting, getting the biomarkers early in life great. Now they're under scans and imaging and the full body MRIs and all that. And then, you know, I'm sure we'll be in the heart scans soon. But like this, these like kind of core diagnostics, like we're talking about all these enhancements and things we can do.

But I mean, let's just make sure you're getting that stuff just. I tried to tell people that moniker of. oh, you're so young, you don't need to worry about that as nonsense. Had I went and gotten some of these tested and known I had a high LP little A, you know what I mean? Then maybe I would have been doing some things different and would have known. Now, when I found the, when I had the calcium score, it was 120. Yeah.

You know, and then I found 38. How old are you? 40. Yeah. 38% blockage. Yeah. So then I was able to address it. I had a catheterization done when I had a little bout and I went in when I found

the low ejection fraction. And, you know, went up there and he looked at me. He's like, well, you don't have any blockage of any kind. That doesn't mean that there was not plaque there, but it was a good sign. So it met likely what I was doing was working. Cool. So I've done a heavy amount of pomegranate juice. I found a several studies that I looked into that that was able to reverse plaque.

Wow. Studies probably they don't want you to know or see. Because using pomegranate juice over statin is not really cost effective now, is it? Although those statins are not very expensive. I'll tell you there. No, they're not. If you have insurance, it's true. There? I feel like they're trying to give them away to me on insurance.

I'll pay you to take your stat. First days, the insurance covers the bill. Happily, by the way, because they all work on it together. Because if the doctor writes you, Rapatha, instead of writing you the statin, guess what happens? The insurance company comes back on them and says, if you keep writing these prescriptions for Repatha, we're going to drop you out of the network. Is that what it is? I know it's what it is because I know people that work in Big Pharma that told me that's what it is,

that are close friends of mine that's you tell me everything so yeah unfortunately that's i with with enough muscle growth issues to begin with like being on the statin just oh i want all dreadful and i think i'll make that you know we were talking about it i'll make the move my buddy who also found heart plaque early we saw the same cardiologist he didn't want him to be on in the road path that he's left and got someone else i'm not going to say the name of my doctor but we had to do leaps and bounds to get my prescription even approved with insurance which meant I was allergic to the statin. Yeah, right.

And then we had to show higher triglycerides. And it was a, you know what I mean? It's a process to actually get it done. But it's doable. And Repath has got a great program. They have a cash pay program now, too. They have a card. Well, than it used to be, right?

So, listen, somebody hacked my business account. And so I had to change my auto pays on everything. Like, changed it on my health insurance. Well, it didn't kick in in time and I went to pick my repath up and they were like, well, I'm sorry, but your insurance is canceled. And I'm sitting there going, what the fuck? I thought. So my wife had gone to pick up my prescription and she's like, they want $1,100 for your prescription instead of 30. And so that isn't indicative of how much that shit cost.

I think there's some cash pay programs that can get it down to a couple hundred bucks now. Yeah. I got Jardians free with the Jardians card. Yeah, free. But Vesipa's another great one to take and that's more triglylylyphal. ride but it actually has shown that it can lower LP little a up to 30 percent and so I've been taking that for years no no one can you can't move it's genetic look at you amazing 3 30 to 90 yeah and you know still going hopefully down that fluctuates quite a bit but uh it was a pretty

drastic drop my my goal is to always prove anybody wrong with this something is irreversible or incurable because I just, and that is a God thing, I don't believe that because I believe that God, A, knew everything that was going to happen and B put something here to correct it. So we can get into that on a later date. So, you know what, I would like you to explain then, because from my point of view, SUPCO is more about telling people, hey, this is tested bad, this is not good, but there's way more to the edge. So I really like to kind of get into that a little bit because I think, because I don't like to bring a bunch of companies. some brands on here unless it's highly, highly beneficial to Hall of Humanity, which you are. So I want you to take some time to run it down. And look, my team's going to be happy about that instead of talking about our personal health

too much. Yeah, look, I mean, the great thing in stuff, go come in, scan your products, put them in. We will, you'll get to see their trust scores right away. So you'll know, you know, if what you're taking is great. But the cool thing is we give you a stack score, which is basically like, here's your stack. Based on your goals and what you're taking, are you in line with what the research says? are you taking the right dosing? Are you saving, if you care about saving money, are you doing it cost effectively?

And like, we give you a nice, easy score. And like, people love it. They're like, oh, no, I have a 75. Oh, wait, I can make these changes. I have an 85. Great, you know. And it's like, it's really good stuff. It's like really clear steps to how to improve an optimizer stack.

I don't want to interject one question. Yeah. That's pertinent. Do you ask where you bought the products from? We just added recently the ability to mark where you get it from. and if you paid a different price than we have. Okay, okay. Because I think it's important.

Yeah, because I was curious, like, if I went in real quick and bought D3 on Amazon or bought it at GNC or whatever, does that matter? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't, for a lot of, only really matters on the cost side. Okay. You know, like, because if you have a different price or you're getting it, you're doing subscription, you're paying a little less for it, you know, things like that. Sure. I think that's important.

Yeah. And I think we're, look, if there's anywhere to keep, like, there's, you know, we've been out in public for about a year and a half, right? We keep adding the features we add now. And like, I mean, I can do a whole podcast with you just in how I build with AI. It's insane, you know, and like it's the most fun time ever to be also terrifying, but like super fun. So like if I have a lot more emission side left to do here, it's about like really proving that they're working, aggregating n equals one data into like as close to institutional data as we can. Because I think that that battle between the institution and the individual is like,

everyone has dug their heels in. We're past that now. How do we unify, you know, this data? And then how do we help people save money? You know, I just think that too much of the industry is designed for really, like, really expensive cost per acquisition of a customer. Yeah. And then really low retention rates.

Like, the price model is kind of designed for you to, like, make their money back in a month or two for how much they acquired and, like, they assume you're going to quit. You know, like, but like your relationship, but I think with your supplement brand should be for decades, right? And so we should be price aligning things and we should be really like setting goals for each other and staying aligned with the consumer on our perspective that if it doesn't work, stop taking it. You know, so there's a lot of the like, I feel like we do a really good job now of helping you get the stack that's right. And then there's a whole lot more for us to do with what happens after you have the stack. Are you optimise it, save money, make sure it's working for you, change it, you know, because I don't know.

I mean, I'm sure I say I don't know. But like a good stack to me is built over a long period of time. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's why I struggle with some people who are just like, oh, take these 75 things in one day. And like, you have no idea. Like, you have one bad reaction to something.

You have no idea which one it is. You know, nothing. And so, like, I really like to have people add new goals as time goes on. You get your stack score. We give you nice, easy, actionable things to do. The average person changes two to three products on the first time they do it, which is, like, big decision moment for something you're supposed to be taking for decades, which is cool. And then we have all this new thing that's, which is cool. drop this year nutrient journeys. So, you know, we guide you, we give you content every day

based on like, okay, you're taking creatine. This is day one. This is what you should expect. Like, you're in a loading phase. Like, here's what your body is experiencing. Here's what's going to happen on day two. And like, we kind of guide you because so many, some of the supplements you're never going to feel, you know, but you're going to be like, now it's time to measure your blood work. Now it's time to check in on this. And so like really trying to hold people's hands through the journey. We have community forums that people are just talking to each other about, you know, this stuff and trying to get different opinions. the step IQ feature, which is our AI chat bot,

it's the only place where you could actually take action of like add that to my stack. It's very like action-focused of AI interaction, not just like chatting, which has been really fun to watch people atop. And we added biomarker uploads. So now you can get analysis based on blood work, which is great.

Do you do anything with protein powders or bars or anything or is it just like supplements? If it has a supplement fax logo in there, I think protein powder is maybe the only thing that we go on the other side. Yeah. But I don't think we'll do bars and stuff like that. So I might ask that because I'm curious if you do rankings on if it has sucralose or red dyes.

Okay. So this is great. So, well, that problem exists also in supplement. Yeah. We have gotten titanium dioxide out of, I think, five brands now because we exposed it. Every inactive. So you go in, we have the trust score that I mentioned earlier. That's a 29 attribute system that ranks the brand or the product.

and one of those is inactive ingredients. So things like titanium dioxide would show up. And the brands would be like, that's a red. I don't want that on there. And they literally reformulated. I'm not going to call them out by name because they did the right thing. They changed it. You know, like, and that's me, if we can bend the arc in the right direction

of the whole industry being better, then like that's just, that's a win for everyone. Is it possible that, let's say company I over here gets a report from you, but the distributor is the one that, you know, that's making them and everything, they just don't even have a clue that some of this stuff is going on in their products, or do you think some of them actually know? Oh, I think that happens. A lot. No, I think that does happen.

I think there's people, I think it's mostly people who are, you know, putting their name on a white labeled. Yeah. You know, there's been some, I think we tested some berer rains where, you know, that might have happened. But yeah, I do think that happened. Yeah. And I think that the, you know, we're not, one thing that's a big thing,

is we're not a gotcha company. We're really not. Like there's too much right now, even in my mind, some of the other platforms and stuff that are like making big deals on things that like, yeah,

they get a lot of clicks. They get a lot of downloads. We do our creative report. We did some of these like kind of reports. We've kind of changed that in a big way to our tested program. Yeah. So we have a new program that just launched last month where the top brands.

I mean, like we're talking the thorns and, you know, the best brands are, doing off the shelf, we're doing like secret chopper testing, where we're, instead of during the manufacturing process, which a lot of them are, we are literally anonymously buying the product off the shelf like you would, making sure it sits around and then testing it to see what it would be, what it goes into your body. And that's, it's a brand paid certification program. They're

paying for the certifications. They're happy to do it. The traffic numbers we're seeing for the tested products is like, the growth is amazing. So, like, that's another layer. So, like, the trust score on its own is a great. And, like, the brands who work hard love it. They're embedding it on their websites. It's, like, part of their product pages now because it's working. Yeah.

But now this tested program, they're going to be able to use our logo on their products. Really? And that's, like, NSF and Eurofense, these certifications that are out there on the manufacturer, they don't really have a consumer brand behind them. Yeah. So by people know us now, right? So like seeing our logo kind of on these amazing products, it feels really good. So basically it's like if you're subco certified, it's a gold standard.

It's shit. You know, it's pretty great. That is so sick, man. Because, you know, yes, I understand what NSF certified is. But, you know, a lot of people that are just regular athlete NSF certified or sports. It's huge. Yeah. But it's not for an everyday consumer.

They're just like, what does that mean? It honestly, some of that stuff is like one ear out the other. Yeah. Because not many people are going to go Google what it even. means. But if it's something recognizable like you, then, you know, what's cool is like you can click on it too and like see the report. You can click on when you the, the, it'll be on the site too is the actual tested report. So we're going to publish the stuff. And then the trust score even, you can see every little attribute what it means. And like people dork out on this stuff now.

Like the amount of people who come just to look products up all the time. It's like, it's really cool to be a resource like that. Well, that would be a great resource just for someone like me to do content with. Do you know what I mean? I mean, yeah, you see it. Yeah. Not calling. out companies but the data dude and like doctors like we've had so many reports now of of patients or doctors or brands that have been like yeah like i went into my doctor and was like why are you recommending me this thing that's like a 6.2 or it doesn't have a trust score like it's it's driving consumer decisions in the right way which feels really good we're going to have to talk about that because i can be like cited from subco site itself and then give a percentage of you know i'm seeing

that magnesium supplements are low on this score or something. That would be a sweet. Yeah, I mean, I think we have some really powerfully cool aggregate data. We just ran, I think, might be the world's biggest creatine-like survey study, like thousands of people participating in creatine data. Like, we really want to take the aggregate data and start helping institutionalize some of this. Well, that's one of the most widely talked about in popular and rightfully so, because it's the most studied, you know, and proven supplement. So now everybody's selling it. Yeah. I mean, literally, everybody's got a creotene brand.

Yeah. So it would be nice to get some data on that to see. Luckily, I mean, other than the gummies that we tested, the creatine and Sean mentioned this too. Like, it's such a, it's such a clean, cheap, you know, good product. Yeah, it is. That most consumer safety perspective is like pretty good on it. But don't fall for the, the marketing hype side of it is still.

Everyone's got an angle. Creazine F. Lester. Yeah. Although, you know, he had a really interesting thing about the GAA. He talked about your show. I thought that was really interesting. precursor that I used it.

It's different. It is different. Chris Gatten has it. He's the one that taught me about it first. And then Sean, you know, really gave me a deeper education on it. Yeah, his, I mean, his content was, was great. I mean, like, he's like so at the edge of the formulation land. And I liked seeing that kind of innovation. Marketing innovation is not what we need. No. What he talked about the whole conversation was what we need to hear because it gives you an accurate insight on everything. Correct. Otherwise, it's just whoever's got the most money. Whoever's got the most money?

Yeah. You know, and then, you know, what's funny is you have someone like timeline who has spent all the money on the product has researched well and like has and also is spending the money on the influence, but almost like in a great way. Yeah. Like this is the most clinically research product, you know, like it's, it feels like a good one to, you know, talk about in some way. Working with them has been completely different of an experience for me than I.

I can really say I'm very particular, but also very blessed by who's approached me. And they gave me my first contract that I ever had in this space. And I'm still to this day with them. And I value the relationship, not just because they pay me, but because of the amount of work and effort they put into everything. And then the amount of, like, they don't give me scripts. They give me data. And they tell me, just don't make these claims and go tell everybody the truth.

So whatever it is, here's some science. So when I signed with them, I literally went and studied at Harvard at night. I got a certification. And then I just went with their studies and their data and they just fed it to me instead of some places that want to give me scripts that I literally don't think you do well with the script. I don't. Yeah.

I don't do well with the amount of times if I have to re-record a video, like look at the camera, try to like say a script, I fail. I just can't. I have to do what feel. Honestly, that's a thing with all of myself, the stuff that I've built is like, The beginning journey for me is always like, this is what I feel needs to exist in the world. And I don't have necessarily have any script for what I'm even doing. You know, but here's the problem, man.

You think about this. Yeah. The script that is facts about the product is meant for the owner or the founder of the company or whoever the main person is to feed that stuff. People like me, nobody wants to hear me regurgitate that. You know your audience, man. You know how to speak to them. Like, let this guy cook. Right.

Yeah. That's it. And when I look at that stuff, it's like, man, when I watch videos, I like to see people like when I went on there and said, I'm not going to fill you with a bunch of science. I got a blood panel right here that shows you this shit works because I haven't done anything different. Yeah. And that's the video I made and that thing hit like a mother or I can take a script that some,

I'm not going to name a name that someone just sent me to have 55 takes because I can't do it. You can't do it. And I'm sitting there cussing up a storm and if you saw the hot takes. Yeah. Or that video, it was one take. Yeah. Because I didn't have to do it because it was just like. Natural.

Yeah. Natural. So when you see all this marketing and all this bullshit, people now, I think, are more understanding that they don't like it. Yeah. You know? I mean, it's like, you know, for me, like, I have no affiliation with supplement brands, right? And like, but like, I can tell you that when I, my homocysteine was, what, 12.5, I started taking homocysteine Supreme from Designs for Health, and I was back at a date.

There you go. That's my pitch, right? And like, I just have data on these things over time, you know? And it's like, you know, some, I feel like in the supplement, some of us are in trust land. We trust the research. We follow the research. Some of us are doing, we following a biomarkers and impact. I wish I had more, even with like when I'm experimenting with the peptides and stuff, like,

my body is such a non-responder to so much of the muscle building stuff. Like I even did, I had with my doctor, not even by the bad. Two doctors recommend me trying nandrolone, like an actual steroid. And I did it for a couple months or something like that. And it didn't even really, you know, do anything for me either, which is wild. Through, by the way, screwed my blood work up. Like, hema crick was super high. So just so anybody listening knows that's Nandrolone is Decaduribolin or NPP is the short ester of it.

Nandrolone phenyl propionate and it is a very harsh steroid and even 200 milligrams of DECA can cause severe shutdown rising prolactin there's it doesn't directly increase estrogen but you'll see that out of bad look yeah there's no estrogen conversion however it still has an effect because the prolactin gets thrown off it can cause severe like inabilities to have an erection and severe testosterone suppression definitely suppress the testosterone Yeah, and also it can cause some mental issues in terms of depending on how much you're using it for how long. I've seen suicidal people, more extreme cases, depending on what they're stacking it with. Very poor choice to put you on for an inability to gain muscle.

It wasn't a lot. And let's just say, I didn't like the blood work. I didn't like what came back on it. I bet not. No. But we were trying, like, that's how much I've tried to figure this out. Sure. In a lot of ways.

But I'm willing to experiment, see the numbers. and then back off if it doesn't do you know which you could have easily just taken some natural stacks of things dilucine betane creatine tried some different things with foods even some peptides that are actually good for lean muscle building methammoreland my favorite yeah with the doctor i do that and yeah the ijf one it's it's help with that for sure i think it helps even the g lp1s like i you know i i i had developed i told you this when we talked like i developed so like i had not eat a carp basically in order to keep my weight down. And after decades of that, I was just like so tired of it.

I wanted to try the JLP ones. And they've done a good job, I would say, of letting me have a more balanced diet, but I've given it all of my self-control to them. Like my old methods are gone. Like I'd have to like re-do my willpower. I went off them because I tried, the summer glue, uh, the summer gluteide was like, uh, worked, but but it, like, made me feel pretty sick. Yeah.

And then Trezepatide was like, wait, no food noise, and I don't really feel sick. Like, this is nice. And then, but I wasn't, I never lost any, like, I can't. It was probably because of birth my child, but I gained weight while I was on it. And I tried the RETA, True Ted, that spiked my heart rate a lot. It can do that. Dude, like, the GLP ones took me from, like, 60s to 70s, which was like one thing.

And I wasn't super happy about that. But Reda, my resting heart rate on RET is like 85. That's not great. Not great. At least not for me. It's scary. That number's scary for me. That interrupts my sleep a bit, you know?

Like, that's not. Well, because here's what happens. You're aware of it. Then you start to have anxiety. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And then that then makes it even worse. And so while it has a direct effect on it, it's also got a psychological effect,

which then in turn makes it much worse. Yeah. And then once again, take something to curb that. Right. So it's constant taking things. Yeah. And I was like, am I going to take a beta blocker now? Oh, my snow.

I mean, but I stopped. After the red, I took a break on the GLP's just to see what it was like. And yeah, it's scary. Yeah. Get off. You know, the food noise comes right. Like, you're just instantly. Like, the version of myself that I saw again was that like almost food addict.

Like, it's not really controllable for me. Like, there's just a line in which it crosses. Yeah. And like, so it's like, you know, it's really has me thinking a lot about the relationship with the JLP one. It's like really traded some self-control for. ease of life. Yeah. And let's just hope all this data about all the other positive sides of it holds up because I've got some good and bad data on both sides of the coin on long-term use that I'm seeing more of.

I've got some like of my mentors that are firmly behind it and I've got some others that aren't. I've got some data that I put a video out on in a little short podcast about how it's potentially aging you faster. There's some redox issues there and I get into that. I don't know. I'm a I am one that. I am one that. want to see real life experiences and facts, not just studies. I don't rely on studies to the extent some do because you and I both know that you can make those studies come out however you like. I care about a thousand people that I've coached or seen. This is what I mean. The N equals one data at, you know, institutions look at that as worthless. And then there's the N equals ones that are like this institutional data is worthless. So like, you know, I, you know, the platforms like your podcast, what

we're doing on Subco, like having these more kind of aggregate balanced and deep views and just helping people find what resonates with them to take a trigger. Because we're really just trying to empower people to, you know. I just had this conversation about using both conventional and non-conventional medicine in ways, however, the reliance on conventional is too high. I still believe that there's integration there, just like the studies in the real life. But I value real life experiences amongst a masses more than I do on a sense. simple study that takes a group, a control group puts it together and it's very selective on how they do it. There's some studies that they just go wide varieties, you know, but you never know if people

are adhering to what they're saying. And like, and honestly, like the, like I, you know, I do my experiment with peptides, you know, a bunch through the doctor or some on my own, but like the, I'm not like that one that's out there, like being like, I'm the evangelist for it. Yeah. You know, like, I really think that, I know people have like, you know, had negative experiences. Like, you know, like PT 141, like you can get in trouble with that thing, man. Oh, I know.

Like, there's like, I took a dose of, because I was trying to get off the GLP's more. I try to agrilytide, I think it's called. Yeah. That shit really suppresses your appetite. That slows you down. Try tessophenzy and try to sleep, you know. But it works, but at what cost? I worry.

This is the land where it's like, you know, on the, the thing. things that I'm interested in this space is like novel delivery methods. So I'm joining the board of a company that's doing really good research on microneedal peptide patches. Yeah. And they're going to do it the right way. They're going to go through an IRB. They're going to like collect all the data, really drive consumer choice.

There's a lot of things coming, man. Yeah. It's cool. Like in a world, as I said, I don't want differentiation to be the marketing, right? Like, honestly, like the stuff that's going on like the kind of like group buying things that was happening in the underground world, like, basically whoever's driving people to get, and I have friends who are doing this too,

get peptides at almost cost, you know, kind of situation. Great, good. That needs to exist in the world. But it's the novel delivery mechanisms and the data aggregation layers and like how do you run studies at scale better? Like these are the things that I'm really interested in.

Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I told you this was going to be an issue. You're already on time here. Like we just started. Yeah. Oh, we could go for so well.

Well, that's why I already indicated because I knew. Part too. Yeah. So we got some really cool faith stuff to talk about. Yeah, we got a lot more to get into that that's why I said it's going to require a longer time. Maybe next time I'm in LA too, we can just get the studio there. Yeah, we go to studio there.

Yeah, riff for an hour and a half or two hours. Yeah, but I want everybody to let hear about where to get SUPCO, how to sign up, tell them what to do. If there's any sort of things that they need to do or if it's super simple and all link everything in the description. So supp.co is the domain. You'll find an easy link to download the app from there. We're joined Subco on the socials.

You'll link to it. But just get the app. Honestly, the experience is robust. You're going to love it. And if you don't, you know, send us feedback.

We literally take every piece of feedback and like, consumer demand build the features that you want. Is it a subscription based? It's mostly free. There is a subscription. There's like cheap. I think it's like 40 bucks a year in all right there for some of our premium. features, but like, because really like we're trying to figure out much more sustainable

long-term models here than like consumer software cost of software is going to zero, man, we can do a whole podcast on that. But so we're trying to find the right relationship with the consumers. We have a tested program. So the brands are we're working with the brands on that. I don't know why I don't have it, but I'm going to get it right now when we're done. Okay. So on our next podcast, let's like, you know, go over each other stacks and share each other's

stuff. Yeah. Talk about what we like on that. I'm going to get set up when we're done. So I am. Man, it was a pleasure to have you here. I knew it was going to be good, but this even over-execeded my high expectation. So I appreciate you coming to see me, by the way, as well. I always really appreciate that. I know it. So, well, I'll look forward to not just this, but more conversations in general. Awesome, brother. Well, thank you for that. My friends, this is

why we have people like Steve here, because I want to show innovation and I want to show the ever-changing world that we live in and how we can learn more, do things the right way, and be safe. So God's work is appreciated. Thank you for coming to see me. That being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli, signing off.