The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #137 Featuring Dr. Mike Israetel! The Aesthetic Revolution: Embracing Vanity and the Future of Fitness to Unlock your Healthiest Self!

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Starting point is 00:01:25 I have the crew. This is a disgusting story. Sorry, viewers. This is just who I am. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Dylan Jameli podcast. So when I started podcasting, it's been about a year and a half now, I made a short list. And it was the top five people that I, there was no way in hell.

Starting point is 00:01:42 I was not going to get them on. I was going to do anything I possibly could to get the. these five people on. And I've had four and I just got my fifth right now, right here. So this is literally, I have been so stoked for this interview and I've been trying to get it for a long time, but God's timing, because my man here has an amazing book coming out that we are going to dissect and get into. But he is the only person that I really follow on YouTube at all, because I just don't have time and I'm just not entertained anymore at all. But he is a sports physiologist, He's a former professor of exercise and sports scientist.

Starting point is 00:02:19 He's a competitive bodybuilder, Jiu-Jitsu Blackbelt, author of multiple books, soon to be another bestseller. And like I said, he is literally the most entertaining and honestly one of the most well-rounded individuals I've watched. He's the content officer at RP Strength, my friends, Dr. Mike Israkel. Doing a huge pleasure to be on your show. Well, like I said, man, I don't have enough accolades or things to give you. I just want you to know that you have,

Starting point is 00:02:46 made a major impact on me. I've never been able to tell you that because we never talked. And, you know, it's hard to know when you have that many followers. But it, you really have had an impact on someone that's been in this line of work for 20 years. To have somebody that's similar to my age that conveys the messaging in a science way and not a bro way, you have been the biggest breath of fresh air and highly impactful. So I just want to say thank you before we get into everything. Dude, thank you so much. I never really know how to process compliments like that. I was raised in a Russian Jewish family where if you were doing great, no one said anything. But if you're doing bad, everyone's that stuff. So, thank you, man. That means a fuckload. I mean every word of it. Now,

Starting point is 00:03:25 when I got approached about your book, I was like, okay, this is different. I don't know where it's going. And then I talked to you about where the book was actually headed and your messaging. And so what I'd like you to do is kind of give like a little small synopsis before we really break the down fundamentally because there's a lot here to unpack. So give me the premise of the new book. So it would be my honor. The book is called The Aesthetic Revolution and it is about how we need to rise a to topple the American government and install only sex and people. No, sorry, Ron Book. That's another book I'm working on. So the book is basically composed of a few parts. The first part of the book talks about how, you know, vanity can be really toxic and just a really bad thing in a really bad way.

Starting point is 00:04:18 And I can get into, if you want, like, there are two specific ways in which vanity can be really, really nasty. But then also vanity is just like, if you repackage what it is, it's just like the desire to look your best, which like probably is not a sin. And everyone kind of actually wants, maybe not everyone, but like most people care about how they look. Then I talk about how I do like a brief history. of like how ever since recorded history, like, you know what I'm saying? Like the Egyptians were putting lead paint under their eyes to make the mascara look. You know, I was killing on.

Starting point is 00:04:49 I didn't know that. And all the way through history, people cared more and more. Sorry, they always cared a lot about how they looked, but they were empowered more and more by civilization expanding to like do something about it. And one of the big breaking points came between kind of 1890 and 1920 after the second industrial revolution, an entire, there was a birth of an entire class called the leisure class of people. that ever finally had some free time, like, for the first time ever or something.

Starting point is 00:05:16 Because, like, you know, before then in history, people were as large, like, trying not to die. It was like the only thing you did almost the entire day. And then, you know, people started exercising during this time. They started being concerned about diet, you know? And then science started catching up. And then through the 60s and 70s, like breast implants started to be a thing and wore advanced makeup, more fashion. Then towards, like, the 90s, 2000s, the Internet revolution. hit and muscle magazines were everywhere.

Starting point is 00:05:44 And so like today it's it's possible to be like, you know, for free, literally for free for chat GPT or Google's Gemini model. You could just like get amazing advice on how to eat, how to train at beauty tips of the whole nine yards. And so like where this is going is kind of another pack of the book where so, so actually, after I talk about kind of the history of I say like, here's what we know now and here's how you can apply it. So I talk about how to die for better appearance. I talk about how trained for better appearance,

Starting point is 00:06:15 talk about how to do physical activity for better appearance, sleep, et cetera. And then I get into the next little mini revolution, this kind of a long arc of history that has a direction. And the next many revolution is the drug revolution. We're just at the beginning of it. But when I was first hypothesizing the book, the drug revolution was something I was just predicted.

Starting point is 00:06:33 By the time I knew I was going to write the book, it had already started with the Olympic Revolution, right? Like, now Trazepatide and then Protachertatertide, it's a completely different world today than five years ago before these drugs were mass market in a totally different world like now if you're overweight people are just like up there's just like pill and shop that you can take it just like goes away

Starting point is 00:06:51 and people are like this because back in the day you haven't suffered for the shit and you had genetically really high hunger levels like you were kind of screwed to a large extent that you'd either be miserable and skinny or fat and happy and you know fat and happy don't go together super well because eventually it kills you and you hate how you look And then in the book, I end up talking about the advances in cosmetic surgery that are happening already and the future of cosmetic surgery, the future of drugs. And then I get into really wacky stuff like genetic engineering and age reversal, which in my view is almost inevitable.

Starting point is 00:07:24 And here's one of my big sort of take-home messages from the book. By around the year 2040, 15-ish years for now, I believe that outside of really crazy challenges in society, like we all rewire our brains into the cloud and nobody cares about how they look anymore. possible. I think we're going to have the technology, especially with age reversal and domestic engineering, advanced drug that's going to allow anyone and to everyone to look almost or exactly how they want. And that's a huge thing that's going to just totally alter society in a bunch of different ways. Because Dylan, imagine going to, you're out in Arizona, yeah? Like you go to, you know, the Phoenix airport, just walk through the airport to your flight. How many people do you see in bodies that if someone came up to me to be like, hey, you can't read

Starting point is 00:08:05 minds, right? You're like, I'm not a telepath. Be like, That woman over there that weighs 360 pounds, do you think she likes her body or doesn't like her body? You're like, what's involved? You're like a thousand dollar bet either way. You're like, give me the thousand. You nuts. Of course she fucking hates her body.

Starting point is 00:08:18 And so, and then you could be wrong, let it in for a thousand, right? But you're probably not going to be wrong. And so that woman, literally, if she makes it to 2040, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:27 look at Jesus if you weigh 360, maybe, maybe not. She is going to be able to occupy almost the exact body that she wants. It is possible. And I describe how, in the book. And she already is empowered through weight loss drugs, through resistance training, through good nutrition, good physical activity, and cosmetic surgery to remove excess skin, to already

Starting point is 00:08:47 look, if she took like three years of just grinding it out, to look like 90% of how she would want to look already. So the book is like, here's what you could do about your appearance now, if you care. And in the future, you're just going to get it all sorted. And the last part of the book is the chapter, last chapter was called Healing and Train. And I think, well, I'm saying your boy gets a little emotional with saying how basically like the hot people, the pretty people, the good looking people, you know, people like in elementary school, they were adorable kids in middle school, like, okay, everyone's awkward middle school. But in high school, they were super cute. And then in college, they were super fucking hot. And then they're adults. They're just, and then, and you know, they were 50s and

Starting point is 00:09:26 they got, you know, the salt pepper hair, the women are just like, oh my God, I wish she was my boss. Those people and the female equivalents of that, right? You know what I'm saying? The woman is 55 where you're like, Absolutely she could still get it, right? Those people basked in the glorious sunshine of having bodies and faces they loved being in 99 times out of 100. It changed their brains in a very generally beneficial way. Other people, vast quantities of other people, have spent their lives sometimes in the opposite end of that spectrum, where, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you're really bad looking in middle school and high school, Dylan, children are unkind to you. Yeah, putting that very mildly.

Starting point is 00:10:07 What I say at the end of that book is if as in when you start to get the body and face and hair or whatever you want, and actually a hair care expert, as you get all of that stuff of your dreams, as you start looking your best, it is incredibly important for you to accept everyone's compliments, accept your own compliments in the mirror, and bask in that sea of positivity. Because you have to rewire 15, 20, 25 years of I look like. shit and everyone knows it and I hate it. That doesn't rewire the day after you get him to shit. Because here's the real problem. I've been on a fucking tear about this on podcast. The day after you finally look jacked and lean or shredded, you're a woman, you've got fake titties, everything looks gray.

Starting point is 00:10:50 That day after that, where all the days before you looked kind of like maybe at best track or something, you don't feel in your heart of heart any different other than the ugly that you felt before. And it's going to take not days, not weeks, and not months for you to feel better. And last thing, if you do the thing, which a lot of people do, because they're decent people, when they receive compliments or they look at themselves in the mirror and they feel in the swag, there's a tendency to don't play it. Just like, oh, wow. Like, hey, dude, like, hey, so you've seen you at the gym the last couple months, you look amazing. What do you do? Your transformation is awesome. Like, oh, well, just, I'm just, you know, just doing my guys. Like,

Starting point is 00:11:26 everyone else, don't fucking do that. You can say that if you want. But they know how to parts, you better be, you better be absorbing. Someone compliments you. You're sick in their fucking car after they compliment you. You just go, yes, yes, because the people who have normal psychology who are okay with their appearance, they've had generations of that shit, of everyone telling them they look great. Of course, they feel great. But if you didn't come up feeling great, it's going to take a lot of you accepting positivity to feel great. Don't you dare deny it. It is now your right to feel that shit. Yeah. I'm going to give you a reverse psychology on this and I want your opinion on it.

Starting point is 00:12:03 But first, I do want to ask you a question. So the mentality that you're talking about right now, that's like a nervous system trauma, right? So somebody suffers a trauma, then their nervous systems often, they're in this like fight or flight mode where they're always on guard that somebody's saying something that they really don't even mean to them.

Starting point is 00:12:21 So if someone's telling them they look pretty or nice, they don't know how to accept it because they're stuck in that mode. And it's almost like they need to reset their nervous system to accept any sort of compliment whatsoever. So how do they get past that? Like, what does it take? Do you have any sort of recommendation or something you cover in the book?

Starting point is 00:12:40 Because I know exactly where you're talking about. I see it. I've seen it. I was a fashion model. Like, I've seen it my whole life, both sides of the equation. So how does one, like, get past that and start accepting compliment?

Starting point is 00:12:51 The number one recommendation I have. Great question, by the way, don't know. The number one recommendation I have is to at least cognitive understand that deriding yourself, putting yourself down, saying you're not worth a compliment, and believing it is not the correct answer. Like, it's the difference between, like, your wife does something you find can't stand and you feel pissed. It's the difference between telling yourself in your head, I should be pissed. She shouldn't be doing this. Versus telling herself like anger is a completely outdated, absurd emotion. I'm an adult man. I'm feeling it,

Starting point is 00:13:27 but I know it's not the right thing. At the very least, you should. should be thinking that when you get super angry at your wife, you know, unless you start throwing shit or whatever. That's not a good idea. So exactly to that point, if someone's complimenting you, maybe for the first time in 20 years, maybe for the first time ever, you are totally allowed to feel. No, no, no, no, there's a trick. There's like hidden cameras of some shit. Like, they're mocking me. That's cool to feel. But at least tell yourself in your head, like, I should be accepting this compliment in my heart of heart. And if you have that little, kind of little parrot on your shoulder all the time, reminding you like you should be accepted compliments

Starting point is 00:14:01 every now again you're absolutely you're actually going to listen to that mother fuck and then you're going to actually accept a compliment one of these days and it's going to feel god damn good and then slowly but surely you're going to accept more compliments there's going to be thoughts that bubble up in your head some of the thoughts will be like you look at yourself in the mirror you look at swagged out like you've never looked as good one one bubble in your thought in your thought process might be like yeah but don't be one of these vain idiots like you're more than just true look but another thought might come up be like, you look great.

Starting point is 00:14:29 Just saying yourself, you look great. Basque, bass, motherfucker. Your overarching cognitive process after those two thoughts are both kind of competing for attention should be like, yeah, no, yeah, I'm going to bask. I'm going to bask. Because it's totally valid to not be like just a total lunatic that only sees their appearance is a great thing. But I'll tell you this, Don, it's really easy to see your appearance is not the main part about you when you've healed the low-key mini trauma of being like looking. like shit and hating yourself your entire life. Once you've drank enough from the sea

Starting point is 00:15:02 of like, I look good, you just you're fine. And then you're totally normal about compliments, but it's going to take a lot of drinking to get there. Like I remember for a while in my personal life, I felt very weak and underpowered. Then I felt maybe like small or something, like metaphorically.

Starting point is 00:15:18 I got really big. I got really strong. It was power lifting. I did bodybuilding. I did Brazilian jitsu. I worked all the way up to Black Belt. I was an okay competitor. And after, you know, getting beat up enough, beating up enough people and walking like around at 250 pounds, I just like don't feel small anymore. I don't feel weak.

Starting point is 00:15:35 But it took all of that for me not to feel small and weak. And so if you are looking in the mirror, you're looking in your own mind or you're talking to other people and your negative thoughts of look, oh, well, no, they don't mean it. That bubbles up and also positive thoughts like, hey, take a compliment. Just try more often than not with your overarching cognition.

Starting point is 00:15:52 Just choose to promote the good stuff. You know what I mean? Like back in the old days when they used to test two different. responsive of chat gp t they're like do you like this response or that one just like rebe both like click on the one that makes the most sets that's a big deal that kind of thing is going to take you far because i would love to have an answer for you jillan it was like a hack like actually it's easy you just do this there's no fucking hack in the rain it's just time and in reasserting for positive and looking at the negative and be like nah i'm good i'm good at tonight i'm glad you said that because you know i i work

Starting point is 00:16:24 in the biohacking sphere so to speak which is really just taking control of your own health, but we got to have fancy terms for shit. And it's like the hacks are not hacks. It's like normal everyday shit that you- It eight hours to speak. Take food supplements, but yeah. People ask me all the time, Dylan, what's the greatest hacks? And I'm like, get out in the morning and walk, do some breath work, walk, you know, like sleep, don't be so stressed. I mean, it's not this craziness. So I love what you said there because if people like slowed down and stop, making things so complicated and just did basic shit. You can't believe how good you actually feel and how everything else kind of lines up for you. So I love that. Here's what I wanted to ask you what,

Starting point is 00:17:09 because I want to go reverse here. So we got the people that never knew how to take a complex. Okay. And so we see their side of the equation. Now let's take it to the other side. So I'm going to let you cycle analyze me. I wanted to do this. Cool. I'm not qualified, but I love it. You are very qualified for this. So when I was, you know, in middle school and elementary, I was always like in that popular group, but overweight. So it was, to me, it was like, okay, if you want to take a shot at me, it's your fat. It's a very simple shot. And if there's nothing you can stay to defend yourself, it's like, you're fat.

Starting point is 00:17:44 Okay, you're fat. But I was still in that group, good athlete, but never where I should have been because of that. And then all of a sudden, gross spurt, six foot one from five foot eight, like really lean. and I mean no problem with anything with girls or anything like straight stud all through high school and everything but that's when I developed this like eating disorder and this fight with food and this mentality of I'm terrified to ever go back to this I never want this again and then I'm like four sport athlete college basketball player fashion model working with bodybuilders then so you see this whole time it's this fight of man I got to look good YouTube this and it's even walking around

Starting point is 00:18:22 thinking I'm the shit everywhere I go and knowing it, still in the back of my mind telling myself, man, you gained a pound today, man, like you ate this or you did this. And it was this constant fight that it took me till two years ago to say, you know what, if I wake up in the morning and I'm worried about what some dude thinks about how I look, I got my own issue. But it took me this whole time. And so do you find that to be a big problem vanity wise where people that get the attention and they still look at themselves a certain way, that that's a big problem too. I mean, because I feel like that's something that a lot of guys especially don't want to talk about. And I'm fine to talk about it because it's happens, you know, and I want people to not go through it.

Starting point is 00:19:05 100%. So I said earlier that there were two specific kind of toxic ways to do vanity. One toxic way to do vanity is to compare yourself to others. Another toxic way to do vanity is perfectionism for yourself. Yeah. And that like, I can't gain a pound or I'm a bad person and I look like shit and everyone knows I look like shit. That's perfectionism. And perfectionism is tempting to those of us who are like prone to be like pretty industrious and prone to try to like better ourselves. So all of your viewers pretty much because I don't think anyone's going to be listening to your podcast unless they want to improve themselves to some extent.

Starting point is 00:19:41 Or they just think you're really fucking handsome and they're just literally jerking off right now. And they're really pissed that like every time I talk, my face pops up, they're kind of. Damn, I didn't talk less. I just look at Dylan's gorgeous faith. So if you're the kind of person that wants to improve, let's say you're an engineer and you design nuclear reactor. And you're like looking at a schematic of a reactor, you're just like basically like just designing.

Starting point is 00:20:02 Your goal is always the perfect nuclear reactor. Always. And it never ends. And so you get to 75% efficiency. You get to 85% and you come home to your wife. And she's like, how's the reactor design, honey? Like, bitch how's not supposed to talk about the shit. It's fucking top secret.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Just care. You shake her a little bit, you know, not hating her. And so after you're done reprimanding her for saying it, you're like, you know what? It's 95% efficient. And she's like, amazing. Mission accomplished. You're going to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are 100% efficiency?

Starting point is 00:20:31 Whatever. Where's mathematically feasible? 9.99%? That's when I'll retire. There's that same mindset that's so helpful to training, to diet, to lifestyle, to everything. If you misunderstand it, is going to be toxic as fuck. And the way that I think about it best is there is a time to push on the pedal to be better. And there is a time to coast and jam and just be to not get those times twisted.

Starting point is 00:21:00 So when I'm in the gym or when I'm planning my meal plan for fat loss phase or it's time for me to set up my sleep routine, I'm an optimist, perfectionist psycho. Because my shit's serious, I'm in the gym to fucking go to, you know, systematized war. And it's going to be like every rep's got to be perfect or whatever. all that shit. Great. But when you're chilling out, when you're walking around, when you're like in your evening threads or whatever on families over, you're just viving. And you're not exclusively having a goal right then and there of like maintaining the perfect pristine physique for who your uncle, then you got to switch that mindset, 180. Look, if you want your body to impress your uncle, real deep shit, serious time of the problems, but, uh, sorry, it's just going to be talking about

Starting point is 00:21:40 my many uncles that had done unspeakable things to me, Dylan. I just start crying. You're like, holy shit, he's just coming out right on my podcast. It's weird. But basically you have to flip the script and just be like, you know what, man, I'm vibing. And tomorrow when I wake up and it's time to train and it's time to eat good meals, I'm going to go back to psycho optimal mode. But that perfectionism is just inadmissible in most of life. But here's the good news. I could say that and people could be like, okay, I could believe you, but how do I do this? What are the cognitive techniques I can use in daily life to chill me out? And here's the reality. If you think that even a week of off the rails,

Starting point is 00:22:19 oral nonsense like raccoons rager pantry style of eating, like you just show up to Walmart and they're like, can we help you? And you're like, Cheetos, all of them. I'm going to buy them all. I don't care.

Starting point is 00:22:30 I'm not going to go on the aisle. I want the pallets in the back. I know you motherfucker fuckers. You know, it's a thousand dollars. There you have. That's it. Here's a thousand dollar bill.

Starting point is 00:22:40 It's your face painted on a piece of paper. And then you leave with the fucking pallet. If you do that for a week and then you eat clean for two weeks after, you will completely reverse every single effect on your body. So that if you do that for a day, three days will reverse the effect almost certainly. And if you do that for a meal, it just doesn't fucking register. So how many times of people eating like instead of two slices of pizza, they ate 12? And then they wake up the next day and they're kind of more full and more salty and more shredded

Starting point is 00:23:09 and more veny. And they're like, holy shit, is pizza, but next steroid? be like it's the fat because we always think at high stakes we think like dude if i have this apple slices i'm gonna be god if i have a snickers bar i'm gonna like literally like the next day the cast and crew and production team for my 600 pound life is gonna show up to my house and i gotta start filming a fucking episode one snickers bar later you boys gonna be 800 pounds it does not work like that ever at all and so if you ever have yourself thinking like Because, dude, I'll go to restaurants and, like, with my friends, I'll be high on marijuana.

Starting point is 00:23:44 And I'm looking at a menu and I'm like, what's the good choice to make? Shut up. Shut up. You're in a restaurant. Order something with protein and then whatever the fuck else you want. And you're going to wake up the next day looking amazing. Now, like, if you think, okay, but if I do this every day, I'm going to be out of shape. Yeah, no shit.

Starting point is 00:24:01 But that's not really the temptation, is it. The real temptation and toxicity thinking is thinking, I have to be flawless every single day in that bullshit. Yeah. I love that, dude. You know, here, here's something for you. So, and I always say this, when I go back and I say, oh, I looked my best, I felt my worst, like the absolute worst. That I was like four or five percent body fat, wind straw, anabar cycle, a little bit of trend,

Starting point is 00:24:26 barely ate shit. And I felt like, hell. You know, like, you know what I'm being. She does. All over the place. And I swear to you for the, and I'm a nutritionist for almost 20 years now. And I literally starved myself, Mike, where like 90, 100 minutes of cardio a day in the gym, taking cycles, and I'm eating like 1,500 calories a day. You already know how much I'm burning hardcore.

Starting point is 00:24:53 I should be eating 4,000 or 5,000 calories. Right. Maybe 10 to 15 grams of fat, and I mean just terrified and I mean scared like I saw a fucking ghost. And seriously, two years ago, I walk in the kitchen, I tell my wife, like, I literally am so miserable. can't do this anymore. And I said, we're just going to flip the switch. And now, I'm sorry, sorry, don't. What was your goal? I don't know. My goal was, you know, not be miserable. Like, yeah. And you know, you know how it is when you eat like that. You're training that hard. You're just, your mind is gone. So every 20 minutes I was getting up and eating vegetables or

Starting point is 00:25:29 walking around the house or like any, you know. So I, I went from 10 grams of fat a day to 130 and 1,500 calories to 3,000. And I'm telling you, man, I haven't been that shredded now and since the steroid side. And it's just the way that the food works and the fears and what you just said, if I could wrap my head around like going and doing that one time and just not giving a shit and then waking up and like, whoa, answer me this. Why are you able? Because a lot of people question this. You go have the pizza meal you said or the carb loading or whatever. Why do you wake up so jack and vainy and everything, what causes that? Few things.

Starting point is 00:26:09 Number one is you will get really thirsty, eating that much carbohydrate, that much salt, and it'll bring more water into your body. And some of that water will fill up your bloodstream, and so you will be more vascular. Another thing is your carbohydrates that you eat in excess will get loaded into muscle glycogen, and then it'll literally make your muscles poof up bigger.

Starting point is 00:26:28 And so you're like jacked because you are more jacked. And then another thing is, this is a real tripping one. If you're dieting and restricting and your hypocholone, Laura, you're in a chronic stress condition. You basically your body, like our bodies are built by evolution long-ass time ago, and they're like, okay, so if you're not getting any food, basically the hunger period has started. Like the harvest has failed or the fucking mammoth herd did show up and it's time to restrict and it's time to have your head in a swivel to look for like, I don't know, rocks to eat

Starting point is 00:26:56 or whatever the fuck, like a bunny rabbit with a broken leg and you pounce on a crazy show like that, right? Super stress, fight or flight. That stress hormone environment is going to store water under your skin. It's going to make you puffy and bloated. If you've ever seen anyone who's been on longer term corticosteroid therapy, like they get like the moon bloat face and there's just not a good look. So if you have a giant treat meal and you go to sleep for fucking 12 hours after or whatever,

Starting point is 00:27:23 first of all, your sleep quality will be phenomenal because your body's not physically starving for the first time and forever. And second of all, it'll drop into a parasympathetic state. From the sympathetic state, it goes from fight or flight to relaxation and recovery. And that reduces your under the skin subcutaneous water so much that you wake up dry is a fucking bone full and with big ass veins. And then you look your best ever. Now, if you keep eating like that, you're just going to slowly get fatter and fatter and fatter and

Starting point is 00:27:50 fatter and you look and fatter and you look and fatter and you look like whatever again. But a one meal like that is that's most of the mechanisms of how it makes you look awesome. Okay. I got to slip in one of those. every now and then I got I'm I'm still wrapping my head around the diet changes so I got to slip a pizza night in dude like I have to so so throughout the studies of this book and the understandings of the vanid I would like to take a quick look because I have some questions on the food side but I want to look at the like the bodybuilder side of things how prevalent of a problem is it

Starting point is 00:28:24 for bodybuilders and when I say eating disorder or battle with food it's not just anorexia I see people don't understand eating disorders there's multitude of fights with food. How big of a problem do you find that in the vanity side? Do you find that people struggle in like bodybuilding with their way that they eat in terms of the fears that I was talking about are having eating disorders and battles with food? It's very common, but it's common in a way that tends to be in my experience, pretty individual specific. So it's less like, well, everyone has it to some extent. And more like some people have real serious, like,

Starting point is 00:29:06 when they get into contest prep, especially towards the end of it, they're exhibiting like patterns of disorder eating for sure and they feel it. Other people will have like a nuisance factor and some doubt, but nothing crazy. Other people have almost nothing going on. And still another large group of people are just totally hunky dory. Like I know guys that will do crazy. I know guys that would get really heavy in the off season and you're like, you would think they'd get attached to their abs. Just don't give a fuck.

Starting point is 00:29:35 And then other people, you get them into the shape of their lives and you have trouble at getting them to regain weight to start getting muscle again because they never want to be anything other than their most shredded ever. And that's a thing, man. A lot of people are like that. I can't lie and say it's everyone. It's just some kind of epidemic in the bodybuilding community or in the status community. But lots of people have those kinds of thoughts. And it's a real big problem when you're that person having those kinds of relationships of food.

Starting point is 00:30:06 And sometimes you find solace in other members of the fitness community because a lot of other people are talking about it nowadays. It used to be a talk about it. But nowadays, not everyone, nowadays a lot of people are talking about it. And you could be like, oh, I'm not the only person feeling. Like, so if you basically say your body, if you have a good body to the coach, and you know, two weeks after your show, you're on a muscle game plan, and you're like, Hey, coach, like, I'm really worried.

Starting point is 00:30:27 I'm just going to, like, lose my abs. I love my abs. It's the first time I've seen them with you in this last prep. I just want to see him forever. Your coach, if it's a good coach, it's going to do, don't you worry about. Everyone says the same thing. And here's two pieces of good news.

Starting point is 00:30:39 When we're going to muscle gain you, for the next six months, you're never going to get really fat ever again. You're just going to get like a little puffier, a little softer, but you're going to be huge, you're going to be fucking strong. And here's the second thing. When you die it down again, you'll get even more shredded than ever. And by the time you're six weeks into your next diet, you look like you did at the end of the last diet.

Starting point is 00:31:00 And it happens almost every time. So it's really, it is a problem. Now, that's the good side. The bad side is you're doing the shit alone or you have a toxic coach. And then you're like, hey, I'm like really starting to struggle with food. I fantasize about food a lot. Your coach is like, fuck what it is, brother. Just got to swallow it.

Starting point is 00:31:17 And you're like, thanks, I guess. That's nice. I could have given myself. And so people, some people quit the entire stuff. or quit all of aesthetics just can't fucking handle it anymore. If you want to feel confident, less bloated, and energized this summer,

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Starting point is 00:32:48 that will cut you up. And I, one of the things that I've learned is with the fat. especially and if you balance it right and use it man it shreds your ass up especially if you're doing heavier cardio or or working out like the extent we're talking i'm assuming and and you correct me if i'm wrong a lot of the vanity stuff that we see most of the problem is kind of diet related now of course there's facial things and things that we were talking about but do you think that most of the vanity stuff is more on like the diet food relations side in terms of where the problems are coming from Remember, what's your observant?

Starting point is 00:33:20 Two problems that I see as the biggest in like the objective side of not so great feelings in relation to this pursuit of fitness and vanity. One side of it is the physical existence of not great looking fatty tissue on your body. Like if you have big ass love handles and when you dye it down, they just like look like saggy skin love handles instead, but you can't tell if that's worse or better or the same. I used to have this problem because I got super fat on purpose. And then I actually just had like a year ago, I got surgery to get rid of my love handles. Because every time I get lean, I would just have like saggy love handles.

Starting point is 00:33:55 And then every time I get big, I just have enormous love handles. And so if you have like a big, big gut or huge fucking love handles, something that like can't really contextually be like interpreted by anyone as like an attractive thing or great thing is sure or shit not about you, the visible, the visibility of this tissue that doesn't look great cause of a lot of people a lot of consternation. Like, some people will gain 30 pounds in their offseason in bodybuilding. It's just none of it goes to their waist. It just goes to their ass and their hips and their arms somehow.

Starting point is 00:34:24 And they just look bigger but healthier. And you're like, fuck you. And they're like, oh, good weight gains easy. Like, yeah, no shit. Okay. You look somehow better when you gain weight, you asshole. If you look worse when you gain weight, then it is a serious concern that people just like. So, for example, there are two spectra of how your fat is stored, especially in women.

Starting point is 00:34:42 There's the gynoid and then the android. The gynoid is when women have a small waist. They store a lot of fat in their arms. They store a lot of fat in their thighs and their ass. So when we're like that gain weight out of contest prop, they just look like sexy as fuck. And they're like, God damn, but you should seriously consider being an adult film.

Starting point is 00:34:58 I'm not a videographer. Sadly, there's people. There's the whole industry. And so, you know, like that's great. But then there are other women that have more Android deposition. And when they're lean, they look great. But when they gain weight, it goes to their gut.

Starting point is 00:35:12 and their sides. What the fuck? And their legs are still skinny and lean? And what the fuck are you supposed to do about that Dylan? No, we're going to pretend that like that's the look? That's not the look. And people know it's not the look. And they struggle like crazy.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Some people tell you like, oh, you just have to accept gaining fat. You can't be lean forever. Those women who to whom it goes to their gut and their love handles, they're like, no, no, I don't fucking want to look like this. And I'm not saying they're right. I'm saying they have a valid point somewhere in there. The other problem that people run into is hunger. Yes, sugar is a big deal.

Starting point is 00:35:43 Cravings are a big deal. And when you're getting lean, you can drive yourself insane with hunger. And the hunger can scary because you can find yourself when you're very lean, especially if you diet's sort of irresponsible. Like I've done like a hundred times in my life. And you've clearly done a few times based on your last story. If you do that, not even crash diet, like people say, every time I have a feeling about crash diet, I have this like the visual image of a plane just like hitting the ground.

Starting point is 00:36:12 you and I did a thing where we like landed the plane with no landing gear, but we turned the engines on afterburner, and we're just grinding the plane on the infinite runway. Like, I don't know. And it's not crash really. That's just like, why are they still doing? But it's just like fuel on fire and shit.

Starting point is 00:36:27 You're still like, throttle for it. So if you diet like that, which a bunch of people have and do, you're going to realize at some point you're so hungry and so crazy that you're not so sure you could stop yourself from eating until you choke to death. Have you ever had that sensation where, like, you finally eat some tasty food and you're like,

Starting point is 00:36:47 I don't have a full setting anymore. When I got out of prison, dude, yeah, that was like a month, month straight of just, I remember when I got out, I went, my mom took me to the store, I ate a thing of blueberries like this big threw up, got something else, ate it again, because I hadn't eaten anything for two years, you know, like it was worth a shit. So it was like a month of that where it was anything. I could get my hands on, you know, because I had been like starving. So I totally.

Starting point is 00:37:16 And, you know, looking back on it, just eating all of this stuff that made you miserable for years. And every time we'd go to events or anything in my head, I told my wife recently a couple years ago, I said, you know how miserable I was at everything that we did. Is that me usually whatever hell? Yeah. Because you would never know because I was carrying a protein bar in my pocket and that's all I'd eat for a day, you know? And if you're not taking cocaine, you're pretty hungry. You know what I mean? Like, the satiation of having like an avocado or whole eggs or things that I wouldn't touch

Starting point is 00:37:49 and I'm like not hungry for four or five hours, you know, and it's deep. Yeah, the no fat thing is exactly, it dates us still. It's basically we grew up in the 90s for sure because that's like a 90s thing. And in the body building community, it's largely still, it's less a thing now, but it's still a thing in many cases. It's just a little fat as possible. And so you can actually get nutrient specific. cravings. Like, you're probably not under eating protein. There's a thing called protein hunger.

Starting point is 00:38:15 If you don't eat enough protein, they actually just like start like becoming damn near cannibalistic. Um, but there's, uh, you know, if you like really low carbate, like I remember being on like keto diet. I've done keto like a hundred fucking times. I remember being like, you know, contest propping on basically keto. And I remember like watching somebody eat one of those golden brown really full looking bagels. That was like paradise. Fate are in paradise. There's nothing better in this world. And then I was doing a low-fat diet at one point, ultra-low-fat for months. And I remember realizing that the store next to me and where I was living had one of those machines that grinds peanut butter right in front of you from raw peanuts.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Then it comes out a little chunky, Dylan, and I let you hear it right now. I lick for it when I make them at Whole Foods. My wife will die because I'll do it and then I take a big lick out of it and put the act. Yes. And so I remember after one of my shows. I got a pound of peanut butter and ate it with a fucking spoon. It was sublime. This is the greatest thing ever done.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Wow. Yes. Yes. There's something lost in translation when you get it from a factory 200 miles away. And I love industrial food. I'm just like, this is magical. So basically, it's nuts, right? So the amount of psychological consternation that people have absolutely can come from pure

Starting point is 00:39:40 social relations, people talking shit about you being fat and you're getting a whole big head about it. It can come from social media influences, basically diluting you into thinking that you don't look good unless you're a 6% body fat. It can come from your genetics, just your proclivity to have more disorder eating and all the way down the woman. But I'll say this. This is not a politically correct opinion. A lot of people can take me for saying shit like this, but it's fucking true. I love it. If you take a woman who hates her body because she stores her fat, in her abdominal area. And she gets lean and likes her soft lean because when there's no fat, it's not really stored

Starting point is 00:40:18 anywhere really visually. And you're like, yeah, it looks great. And she gets a, when she's lean, she gets hungry as fuck in it. It just, it screws with her. If you give that woman to her appetite, which makes her not hungry anymore, dose dependently, and she does a good diet. She makes sure not to do anything stupid like eating a bunch of pizza and throwing up and go to the hospital for a gastroporosis.

Starting point is 00:40:38 And she manages a medication well through doctor supervision. And she saves up her money and gets a fat transfer surgery where they light blow the shit out of your love handles and all around your periphery and they put it into your ass on your hips. That's a real thing. And then whatever, a year later when she's fully healed, now she's cruising. She doesn't want to be at 10% body fat anymore. She's living her life at 19%. Her hunger is completely controlled. Her fat is where she wants.

Starting point is 00:41:03 She's living her fucking best life. I know we're not supposed to say, oh, just take drugs and have surgery and you'll feel better. But guess what? The number one reason you feel like shit is purely psychological. But sometimes it's not purely psychological. Can you imagine being dealing yourself, you're transplanted into a body that weighs 400 pounds of pure fucking fat? And you're in this alternate universe where you're like a rock star. You're a billionaire.

Starting point is 00:41:29 You're famous. People are on your jock all the time. And you're like a woman's like laying in bed with you. And she's like touching up on your giant, your giant titty. You know, because you're going to have big titty. And she's like, I think. love your fucking titties, Dylan. And you're like, I don't really like that.

Starting point is 00:41:44 And she's like, why can't you just learn to love yourself? You're like, because you can't just do that. And why can't you do that? Because we all have the same, roughly the same software in our heads that tells us what's attractive and what's not. And it works the exact same way in a mirror of reflection of you as a dozen other people. Like, take an example I have to bring up all the time. Take like Miss India, like whoever wins the Miss India pageant and drop her off in Norway at a

Starting point is 00:42:09 and be like, hey, go get a few guys' numbers. Do you really think, like, she's just not going to be successful? Because, like, oh, but they're just not into that. Like, what the fuck? Like, every other Norwegian guys are going to be like, yes, which is this a trick? Like, wait, yeah, of course you get up. Well, what do you? Aren't you miss universe of some shit?

Starting point is 00:42:22 Like, it's, it's like if you're African, if you're Indian, if you're Arabic, if you're white, if you're whatever, if you're Mexican, hot doesn't look identical, but there's a formula. You know what I'm saying? Like Sophia Vergara is like Venezuela or Colombian or some shit. And I bet you the world's most hard. hardcore white supremacist. We don't meet immigrants in our fuck country.

Starting point is 00:42:43 That's a fine view. You show him peek Sophia Fergari. He's not going to be like, I'm not closing in my white blood with that. He's going to be like, when? Now, please, I'll beg. And so when you wake up in a 400-pound body with man titties, like, there's only so much psychology you can use to be okay. And listen, if you're that person that has such a powerful mind or such a low giving a fuck

Starting point is 00:43:05 factor, that you're totally Gucci in a 400-pound body, as far as aesthetics, are concerned. You're the man. You have the ultimate unlock. Don't do you do. Gere chloon's a thing. I'm never telling people, you should be ashamed of how you look. You should never be ashamed of how you look. Take shame and throw it out of your head altogether. But if you happen to be in a body that you don't like, if you happen to be that woman that stores fat all lonely around her waist, and is only theoretically, to your point, happy when she's leaner, because she's not actually happy, because she's fucking miserable where she's hungry all the time. You get her some fucking tricepotide, you get her some surgery. Then all of a sudden she just to be like, I'm living a life that I can't. imagine it any other way would be this fucking amazing. I know it's toxic to say that shit, but it's real. Should she be doing inner work? Yes, but should she be completely saying,

Starting point is 00:43:49 well, I'm just going to do this with inner work. I'm going to learn to love myself, even though I don't. I'm going to learn to accept it. Like, that's cool if you can pull it off, but maybe you don't have to. This is why I love you because you have the same kind of motto that I do. And it's, I'm going to tell you need to hear, not what you want to hear. Because what you're saying is true. And people just don't want to hear reality of what happens and what goes on. And, well, the thing that sucks about it is, is that now you live in this alternate universe that doesn't really exist, while me and you and others that think like we do are sitting in the real world.

Starting point is 00:44:19 So we're able to actually accomplish shit because we're not creating this fucking facade that doesn't exist. And it's so, it's one of those things. I'll leave that alone for now. We'll talk about that later. But it drive freaking crazy because it's, it's this. Well, there's no accountability, bro. Like, there's no.

Starting point is 00:44:36 accountability so there's a built-in excuse for every single scenario or situation instead of just going you know what because I had to do this I had to have looks in the mirror and say Dylan what the fuck like do you are you happy with what's going on here is this right and when I looked at myself in the mirror it's like you can lie to yourself like on the side or to other people but when you have a back and forth with yourself it's if you can lie to yourself then man you're completely screwed I couldn't do you know like it's so you've got it all I don't know I don't You just look in the mirror, you're like, I'm a MN. I'm seeing an air.

Starting point is 00:45:10 I believe it. A little times. Here's one that I think that is a big problem I want you to touch on. So let's see we're talking about this kind of thing. How big is overtraining going on for people that are like unhappy with their look? Because I got to think that's a big problem. And trust me, I know firsthand. So do you see that as a big issue?

Starting point is 00:45:32 Huge. Here's the logic of that issue. People don't like their physique. They push their diet. into pure hell. It gets in results, but it tires. I'm not like crazy. And if it's only so low, you can push your diet until hunger pushes back and you just can't push any lower. Yeah. And then they still don't like their look. And so they're like, okay, okay, okay, where else can I do? I'm going to train double because that's going to make me look better. The problem with that is once you

Starting point is 00:45:53 overreach your body's ability to recover, you actually look worse when you train more. So it's like worse than spinning your wheels, it's like spinning them backwards. Like you're working twice as hard for now less result. And it's a total compulsion. thing. You're just trying to do like as much, it's like people so computer won't work or whatever, like in the processor, like, chat GPT is taking a long time to think and you're like, hit your phone on the desk. Like, it's not going to help for you to hit your phone. It's going to hurt your phone. But people do that because out of a frustration of they want the shit to happen faster, they want that end product. And it's also supernatural as a human to think like,

Starting point is 00:46:29 oh, I just like, I get certain results training like three times a week for an hour. I'm going to get double the results training six times a week for a hour and I'll just be fucking Superman. If I train nine sessions a week for three hours each, like, holy shit, like that'll really get me going. And so that's not true. You could only train up to the point of how much you could recover from. And you can only train or should only train the amount that is sustainable for weeks and weeks and weeks is that's how you make progress. You don't make progress on a daily basis. That's an measurable way. It's like people who, it's the difference between getting ready for a test in school by like binge studying and like

Starting point is 00:47:06 missing a shit load of sleep versus like every, you know, five days a week, you spend like an hour on that subject. One of those people is going to do fine on the test with binge person, but they're not going to remember shit like a day later. And when they get a job in that relevant field, they're going to be like, do you learn anything in school? What the hell is wrong with you? The person that studied for a little bit here and there consistently, they're going to know the shit front to back. They're never going to forget it. And so in just the same way, it's all about setting up a training plan for yourself that you can just good. It's plenty of work, but it's sustainable.

Starting point is 00:47:39 And it's easy to say, but when you're in that mindset or you need to change your body no matter what, that desperation mindset, it's so easy to go overboard on diet, on training, on drugs. People would be like, well, if this many steroids got me jacked, this many steroids times two is going to get me four times jacked. And that does not work that way. One thing I wanted to say earlier was the actual best way to get the leanest. This is supported in naturals with direct science and is supported in people using drugs by like almost every body bully coach at this point is to coax your way into it. So if you have a like, let's say your maintenance is 4,000 calories like you're a giant body

Starting point is 00:48:21 builder, the diet that has you going a bit longer, but it's 3,500 calories is going to bring you in full and shredded as fuck. The diet that's 3,000 calories is going to bring you dry, stringy, and kind of, we're, and maybe bad is lean. Because when your body is, like, hoarding resources, when you're starving it to death, it's pretty good in hoarding resources. And that resource include body fat. But when you just get like a 500 calorie deficit, you run it for a long time, your body's

Starting point is 00:48:49 kind of like, I don't think anything's really happening. Imagine having a party and your guests are stealing shit. But like one guest out of 20 at a time will walk away with an appliance, like a small appliance. You don't notice probably, and they'll steal a lot of shit doing that. But imagine if all the guests at the same time are like 10 of them grabbed everything they could have just started running. You would call the police immediately because you'd be like, motherfuckers, why don't you take the man's microwave? I need that. Is there like a resale market for these things?

Starting point is 00:49:18 I don't know about. And so just the same way, your body kind of like if you coax the fat off with a small deficit over the long term, it's kind of like, yeah, going to miss this fat and then you get the best results same thing is true for training if you train five days a week for an hour and a half dude you're going to do great you train eight days a week for three hours each time you're going to train like that for three weeks you're going to hate the process you're going to burn out you're going to have a ton of sore joints and your body's not going to get as bigger and strong and it's going to backfire the same thing's also true for physical activity people are like man 10 000 steps a day is great it keeps me burning fat and everything i'm going to do 20 000

Starting point is 00:49:51 sense a day and their shins start to hurt their feet start to hurt and they start to get really on energy because your body is smart. It thinks you're starving. It thinks you're doing too much activity. It will compensate by reducing how many calories you burn at rest. And that makes you miserable at rest because your brain's like, hey, I need calories to think. And your body's like, shut up or dying, just think less. And then so you end up sitting, Dylan, you've been in a diet fog before, yeah, where you just like staring at a screen and you're like, fuck was I doing here? And you're saying, yeah, exactly. Yeah, same. So if you, if you, the real trick to getting super fucking lean is to is to coax your body into it real gentle um and then then it works great it takes longer

Starting point is 00:50:32 but not that much longer and it works great but but it's easy to say when you don't look how we want the temptation to take every dial of like you have the training dial diet dial and cardio down just go break break break break it's just like full steep ahead that is a huge temptation well because it's the the problem is is everybody wants it now and i've been there you've been there but this is like it's a marathon it's not a spree sprint and this stuff takes time. Nothing happens overnight, but everybody wants it to happen overnight. And it's a problem. Like you said, some of the times where I've gotten real hardcore and I go back and look and I'm like, man, you look like shit. The scale may have said what you think you wanted it to say,

Starting point is 00:51:11 but I look bad. Like they sunken in and just like, how did I not see this? But you don't, it's, it's right here mentality wise where you see something that's actually not there. That's why it's kind of important to look at video or picture because when you look at a mirror daily, you can't see. You just, you see, you know, one thing, but you're not seeing actuality. And I, I know from firsthand experience, and I've seen so many people that go through that. And it's terrible. And I think what I'd like to talk to you about is this kind of reliance now on drugs, supplements, everything to do the work to like lose the weight, make you look good. How big of a problem do you think that's progressed into now because it's certainly gotten progressive with more drugs that

Starting point is 00:51:53 have come out and everything like, do you feel like that that's kind of as rampant as it's ever been right now? So in my view, there are two, so we'll talk about, we're talking about fat loss drugs, right? Like the pie, somagletae, it turnsipatite, retagetide. There are two ways to do these drug in my one of them is categorically superior to the other. The right way to do these drugs is to do the drug at the lowest dose start a very, very low. And re-architect your, you're in a to do two things. One, do the actual caloric deficit for you and the weight loss. And two, to irritate your gut the least so that these drugs don't push you over the hill and give you a real bad time of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and occasionally gastroporesis where your stomach just throws up

Starting point is 00:52:37 tuminal fingers or you need to go to the hospital. The way you do that is to consume multiple meal throughout the day that are high in nutrients, relatively low in fat, not zero. It's zero fat, but high and healthy fat. And none of them could be massive calorie meals, moderate calorie meals that are well-balanced, plenty of protein, and the healthiest food you could possibly eat, because you're eating so few calories, all the calories coming in and most of a meat to be really damn healthy. So you eating veggies, fruits, whole grades, healthy fats, four times a day. You're exercising, you're lifting weights to keep the muscle on your body,

Starting point is 00:53:11 and you're getting plenty of physical activity, 10,000 steps of day or so. And then as your hunger rises as you get leader, you take a bit more drug in the hunger goes. away again. That's how you do it right. Here's how to do it wrong. And the number of people do it long are like, I don't know in the tens of millions or something. You take the drug because you like, you never really struggle with hunger at ton, but you're a spineless asshole with no will pyre. And you can't be bothered to eat well because you just want to eat junk food all fucking time. Yep. You take a fuckload of this drug. Like you take like fucking 10 nigs of terzapitite right out of the gate. You're supposed to start like 2.5 or 1.2. And you

Starting point is 00:53:46 just eat fuck off still. And the only thing stopping you is from. meaning more is like literal nausea that you get after three slices of pizza instead of sick. You don't train with weights. You don't increase your physical activity. You eat only dog shit. Like so instead of eating like a good meal with broccoli and ground beef and olive oil and brown rice, you're eating like half a Snickers bar because like after half a Snickers bar, you don't feel like eating any. And so instead of modifying and uplifting your willpower into an integrated diet and training program,

Starting point is 00:54:16 this drug ends up just kind of doing the work. Let me give you a really good analogy. I don't know. I complimenting my own analogy. I had a time fucking eonsistice to the asshole. It's like putting a fucking awesome, efficient jet engine onto the most aerodynamic plane you've ever seen. The jet engine is the terzapitide.

Starting point is 00:54:32 The aerodynamic plane is your amazing lifestyle, diet, sleep, everything. Weight training. It just scoots through the air at Machu's fucking seamlessly. The other way to do it, the way where you just take a shitload of terzapotide and you just eat fuck all and hope to God you'll throw up in the middle of of the night. That's like taking a semi-truck. You know the old-school ones with just the front was just complete up and

Starting point is 00:54:54 down? And of strapping a rocket to that motherfucker and putting on like World War II airplane wings and be like, go mock two, maybe. That is what a lot of people are doing. And then this is where you get most of the Reddit comments. Someone's praising Trezaborti to change my life. And it'll be a thousand people

Starting point is 00:55:10 and they're like, this drug is poison. Big Farm is killing us all. I took it that made me throw up blood for two days. Oh yeah? And you look and they're like, how was your diet? Like, wow, I was eating less. Like, oh, because you were throwing up blood, right? Like, well, yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:23 But, like, I was eating chicken nuggets one time. I was like, oh, my God. Why? Because we know these drugs slow your gastric emptying, and they keep food in your stomach longer. And if it's healthy food and it's easy to digest, for your body, it's just going to be totally fine. But if it's like a shit mode of saturated fat

Starting point is 00:55:41 and a crabblen of carbs all the same time, like a gut bomb, it's just going to sit there. And then your body's like, holy shit, that's not good. It's going to try to get it out. One of two ways, either diarrhea or vomiting. If you're really lucky, both, which is a pretty good time. I had the crew, this is a disgusting story. Sorry, viewers, this is just who I am.

Starting point is 00:55:59 I had the cruise ship virus once when I was in college. I, uh, and I was on the John in the public in the dorm rooms. And I would just blow just total chunks out of my rear end. And the smell would make me want to throw up. So I'm turn around and start throwing up. And then the turbulence of the vomit, because, you know, it does crazy shit to your gut would make me going to have diarrhea again. I was super sety, vomiting and crabbing.

Starting point is 00:56:26 You can have that time right now. You don't even have to get sick. You just get to his appetite. You take 50 milligrams on your first dose. It's going to be great. Go to McDonald's, have 20-piece nuggets. You're going to have a fine time. But, dude, that's how some people do it.

Starting point is 00:56:38 And then they're baffled. They're like, all these drugs don't work. They're terrible. These drugs used properly to buttress your willpower that you're already. use it to try to do your best, you're going to have a great time. If you give me a person who's already eating, well, it's already training, who's already doing a lot of steps, and they're really struggling with hunger, these are miracle drugs. You give me a person that's like, I want to lose weight, I don't want to do anything. Can I just take a drug? I'm like, oh, my fucking God, good luck.

Starting point is 00:57:04 Hopefully in a few years, these drugs will have no side effects and then that'll work, I guess, but for the type of being, that's not going to fuck. Now, I, you know, my whole life, and I've always said this is anything that's used for weight loss generally has a pretty dark side to it somehow some way there's always something pretty pretty bad that happens especially as you start tearing it up and going higher and so i i discovered peptides with you know underground research markets in 2012 because i always really talked about sarms a lot back in the day when when i found them and i started talking about peptide so i've watched how they've progressed over the years and i've been blessed to speak to like the real brilliant actual doctors that aren't full of shit that actually know them

Starting point is 00:57:47 and implement them. And one of the things that we get to on GLP ones is the long term benefit cognitively when they're used right. And then with the heart, cellular health. But like you said, generally speaking, there are people that know how to do it, like the microdosing, but most people, they go all in and they have all of these problems. And then it's like this big campaign of this is the worst thing that ever existed and it's just, it's from hell and it's like anything else, man, you can, you can drink too much water.

Starting point is 00:58:17 I mean, it doesn't matter. You know, you abuse shit. What do you think is going to happen? And that's what clues me. It's like, what exactly do you think will occur when you abuse and misuse thing?

Starting point is 00:58:28 I just, I'm at a loss. Some folks, Hursome, these are otherwise great people, but they're really looking for as many drugs as possible to take so that they don't have to work out or diet at all. and still somehow get resolved.

Starting point is 00:58:42 There's a very big difference between I work out, I diet, and I want to take drugs to help me along versus like I just want to replace the shit. In the Estonic Revolution, I do cover something, and it is not that with sufficiently advanced drugs in the next five to ten years, probably, and definitely with genetic engineering in the next 10 to 15, we will absolutely get to a time where all you have to do is take drugs or get your genes edited and you will never have to work out ever again. They'll be shredded and jacked to your heart's content and healthy as fuck forever.

Starting point is 00:59:08 But we're just not there yet, man. And that's really a fucking, it's really different. It's like having like a Ford escort or something and going to like a mod shop and being like, what can you guys do to this thing to get it to do like Lambo level like track? Like I want track times of a Lamborghini. They're going to be like, dude. Like it's, there's nothing we could do here for you that's going to fucking do that. Knowing that is a big deal.

Starting point is 00:59:34 And so is there's nothing wrong with like shortcuts are awesome. Right? Like biohacking. It's fucking great. We don't have to just like not take drugs and whatever, but you got to know what, what you're getting. And it's just just not any fucking magic yet. It's like being a person who likes to sheet guns and getting a scope that like makes it so you don't even have to aim anymore. Like, bro, there's no scope like that.

Starting point is 00:59:58 Yeah, I'm sorry. Maybe eventually, but not quite. I want your thoughts on this because I used to give out percentages because I trained bodybuilders for a long time and coached their cycles for them. And I would always try to explain because you know. this you've been around it everybody wants to start stacking five six seven eight different fucking things because this does this this does this does this and they have no concept of tomorrow or what the thrashing they're doing internally and i would tell everybody look first of all the genetics play a massive role here in general no matter what you take but but my percentages would be based on

Starting point is 01:00:31 diet training and then the amount that said steroid peptide supplement whatever actually did for you So I would always tell people, really, when you're going for physique, like ultimate physique, diet is like 65, 70%, training is 20, 25, and then that 5 to maybe 10% comes down to the shit you're using. Do you agree or disagree with that? I think that's very close to spot on. You could quibble with the details for sure. But what I like to do is look at it not from the perspective of do you diet, do you train, do you or don't you take drugs, because then it gets wacky.

Starting point is 01:01:06 Like, of course you, I have. motherfucker, you're human, you have to eat. Everyone diet somehow. And obviously, if you don't train at all, like, that's clearly the most important thing about getting jacked or not jacked. Bodybuilders aren't talking about training or not training. And if you don't take drugs versus you take a shakerner drugs, of course, the results are going to be a way. It's way bigger than 5% and 10%, right? But the differences in realistic ways to diet, train and take drugs account for roughly the percentages that you were talking about. So for example, if you have a really good diet versus a pretty not so good diet, that is 65% change right there. If you have really good training versus you still train hard, but it's not ideal, it definitely matters less. Like if a bodybuilder shows up on state and they're out of shape and someone in the grounds, must not have been training hard enough. Most of the guys are no shift. And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's almost certainly his diet.

Starting point is 01:01:52 Like, what are you? That's like, you know, you never look at a fucking guy on stage. You're like, clearly new hack spots, man. Just fucking sets of 10. I can tell. It's not sets of eight lead press. What? But if someone's like, you know, not in a calorie deficit for a while, you're going to be able to tell really goddamn quick.

Starting point is 01:02:05 And then the drugs thing is really, really a speck. apt because especially if you get within like reasonable milligrams per week ranges, like even for the, for most people, anything between 500 and 1500 migs a week total between injectables and, uh, orals, if the kinds of drugs you take for that and the amounts, they don't really matter nearly as much as the diet of the training because, uh, you know, I've actually had this revelation myself recently. For a while, I was going up to a gram and a half or so, sometimes two grams of total gear per week during contest break. It's just mostly miserable and not much more jacked and more lean. And recently, I capped myself at like a maximum of 500 nigs total for the whole per week for the whole cycle. And absolutely the biggest and leanest ever, man, oops. And it's like, oh, God damn it.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Why was I poisoning myself so much with that shit? Different guys will have different ratios of where it stops to really matter for them. But for ask people, anything north of a gram, it starts to become like a real interesting tradeoff. Like you had better know that that's working for you. The problem, Dylan, is something we were talking about earlier that you have brought up. It's that obsessive nature of people to want that extra bit. And you say to yourself, okay, I look amazing on 750 mix total.

Starting point is 01:03:21 But what if I took fucking 1500? Then I would look like, God. And the reality is like you look just as amazing, but more tired and more red. And your midsection's bigger because your liver's dying. And you're like, oh, God damn it. That's not really the thing I wanted to look for. So drugs have a thing where they work. But after you take the drugs that work the best,

Starting point is 01:03:42 when you take a decent amount of them, harsher drugs and much more harsh drugs can make you bigger, but it doesn't make a better overall look. So like you take some test and some primo and you cap off the cycle with some low-dose var, did you get to look so fucking great and so fucking healthy? You take a shillot of a trend, a shillet of MPP, a fuckload of God knows what,

Starting point is 01:04:03 staffed on a gram of test. You're going to look the year on drugs, all right. You're going to look like liver tank or some shit where people are like, it's okay, you know, are you healthy? The answer is no. I love that. The test Primo Anabar Stack when I realized after time was by far the best in it. The problem is that I argue is you, when you start running these heavy cycles, you feel so shitty that you can't actually train how you want because you're miserable the whole time that you're on there. One of the cycles I gained the most size on was super dull, and I have never been so miserable in my life

Starting point is 01:04:35 to where I hated the gym. I hated everybody around me. I hated waking up. And it was like, what's the point in this? It's just, it's horrible. And then to your point, you can't outwork a shit diet. You can train your ass off. And I don't care how hard you train.

Starting point is 01:04:49 If your diet sucks, you cannot outwork that outside and inside. I see panels of people that think they're getting away with stuff. And I see, let me see your blood panel. And it's like, brother, do you understand what your cholesterol looks like here and your liver and your kidney? and they just don't, you know, they don't get it. There's a certain mystique that's really taught, and it's the mystique of a mid to late 20, even early to mid-20,

Starting point is 01:05:15 up-and-coming successful bodybuilder or power lifter. And they have friends, they have a lot of people at the gym that know them, they have younger people looking up to them, contemporary is looking up to them, older people. And they've got the look. But in private conversation, you'll find out that their blood pressure is like 170 over 120 and their HDL and LDL are flipped completely up.

Starting point is 01:05:35 side down and the total cholesterol is like 400. But they're eating amazing food. They're ripped. They're big. They're making PRs. They're having a great time. They get female attention or male attention. If you take enough trend, it's all the same.

Starting point is 01:05:48 We're right. Human body will do. It doesn't even have to be human. Dylan doesn't even have to be a body. But at some point, at some point, you know, you're, because I remember like watching these people and they just look like they're having the greatest fucking time. And you think like, dude, all of it. This fucking blood work shit is overblown.

Starting point is 01:06:08 My friends got crazy blood pressure. And they make jokes about it, too. It's like in the culture, like blood pressure is like, I hit a PR, I had a nose bleed under a squat screen. And because he's 28, whatever, he's right high. He just broke like, you know, national record on the squat or whatever. Or he's like just like one G. USA's embodied or thing.

Starting point is 01:06:26 This is kind of like, it's like reality looking back at you and being like, you're just scared of drugs for no reason. You're just taking your little bullshit. Primo and Varn test cycle and maybe they like usually they have amazing genetics. Maybe you don't have amazing genetics. And you're like, dude, why did I just fucking throw three sheets to the wind and gas up like this guy and have the time of my life? And it's made worse with social media because now, oh, this is my jam. Ready? Okay. One of my least, I don't want to say least favor, one of the most culturally dense pictures in the fitness industry is a type of photograph people take. I guarantee you

Starting point is 01:07:00 you've seen this bunch of time. Immediately post contest after winning some show in like Dubai. or something. It's always fucking Dubai in nowhere. And they're at like some kind of super McDonald's or some kind of fucking What a Burger or some shit. And they've got like three cheese burgers and two fries of a shake right in front of them, right? Dylan. And they're sitting there and they're pulling

Starting point is 01:07:19 up their shirt and they got this six pack. And they're like, and the message is like, you can have it all. Yeah. I hate that. I hate that. And it's like that person, first of all, because you and I both have been that person, that person's not having a good time. They are on trend. And so it just

Starting point is 01:07:34 paranoid a hundred percent of the time. And they're like, oh, are these fries going to kill me? Do I even want to live anymore? Who the fuck knows it's going out of their heads? Nothing good. But the picture tells you that fucking lifestyle. And that guy who's doing a shit with a D ball but doesn't care about his health, you almost seem like, but he's in his prime or whatever, he's doing great. The thing is, is years later, you see that guy at the gym and you look at his arm and you're like, oh, he had triceps repair surgery because he tore shit off the phone. And he's looking kind of purple. And he's like going through like a fucking revelation when he's a bit more of a hippie, doing a lot of ayahuasca. He's kind of trying to find himself. He's like, a girlfriend who's dated

Starting point is 01:08:08 for years. He's a great person. She broke up with him because he was a toxic fuck. And then he's like, went to the doctor and the doctor's like, you don't technically have what we would call kidneys anymore. Somehow you're not dead, but you're probably going to die really soon. And then you're like, oh shit. He is paying for all that stuff. Yeah. And so as a person in the fitness industry, is anyone listening to this podcast, if you're seeing this shit on social media or see it in real life, where people seem to be able to take tons of drugs and get away with everything, they usually don't get away with it. You're just not seeing that time delay.

Starting point is 01:08:40 No, and that's the thing. I used to say this, and I had these battles because you get these guys, oh, because they would tell me and I'd get these comments about, oh, you're fear-mongering, oh, you don't know because you're not 500 pounds, you don't know what you're talking about. And I say, you think that these guys are getting up and announcing to you all the shit they're going through and the problems they have? You think they're standing up and making videos about how,

Starting point is 01:09:02 bad their livers are and their heart and everything else. Like the things that you and I are saying are like real trenches stuff that we've seen and done and been through. I've, you know, I'm sure you've done this. I have seen thousands of blood panels of steroid users. And the most people that come to me are the guys that regret using steroids in their 20s because they're completely and utterly fucked in their 40s. I haven't every problem known to man.

Starting point is 01:09:27 You know, and I did like a little four or five year run. And I told my wife, I was like, what? the hell am I doing here? Like I, this isn't even who I am. What, what's the point here? You know, and it's like now I have some things that still I have to deal with because of steroid use. And it's like, you know, putting yourself on TRT, not understanding. They don't understand. So I'm glad you brought that up because these pictures and things you see and people parroting information, that's a facade, man. Like, these people die young or they're miserable in their 50s, 60s if they make it to 7. Yeah, 100%. It's a trippy thing in social media. I'm really thankful for the phenomenal.

Starting point is 01:10:02 of in some very hardcore bodybuilding circles, it's actually like looked not down, it's looked up upon to post pictures from your hospital room when you get like fucked up. It's, it's funny, right? But it's also good because then other like young kids who are looking at you. They're like, oh, oh shit, it's not all fucking rainbows, is it? But that's very minority. The thing is, is that what you get with social media is this, there's this cognitive bias that arises what it's called the availability heuristic.

Starting point is 01:10:32 It's the reason that people think the world's always getting worse because the news only reports bad stuff. It's like, for example, every day, like 100,000 people permanently leave on Earth permanently leave behind grinding poverty and we'll never see it again. Like literally every day 100,000 people escape grind poverty. But that's not really like a news headline you're ever going to see because of how many days of the news can you be like, today? Yes, again, another 100,000 years here.

Starting point is 01:10:53 You're like plane crashed in Malaysia. There's a virus in Brazil. And just the same way, the availability here. can work the opposite way to give you a rosy view. Because like, when do people make their socials post? When they're in a fucking prime, doing their fucking thing, and they look amazing. And then when do people end up not posting? When they're right fucking the doctor's like, hey, you're circling the dream.

Starting point is 01:11:14 They're not a post about that. 99 times out of 100. And the way socials works is, we want to keep track of individuals on your socials feet. You used to follow someone. You might not even have known his name. Like you just know his handle. You know, people I got tons of people on Instagram.

Starting point is 01:11:27 Like, oh, you're a huge 590s. I know you. What's your name? Mark, I'll never find him. Remember that? And so you have these guys and these girls come up in your feed and you follow them for a few months and they're just doing great. They're eating cheeseburgers and on trend.

Starting point is 01:11:41 They're amazing. They do an in the May fight for chits and giggles. They win. They're awesome. And then you don't see them again, but there's another new cool person on your socials. There's 10 dillon on your socials to replace them. And you don't ever follow up with these people.

Starting point is 01:11:56 And it's kind of like shooting stars. They're like, I'm here. I'm the man. Oh, kidney disease. And they fuck off. But you don't see the kidney disease part. And so it's real tough because as an onlooker, you could totally, it's totally not logical. It's totally understandable how you get the illusion that like, dude, people are doing drugs recklessly and they never pay the price. This is all illusion. Like, no man, you just didn't follow up with those fucking people. A shitload of them were paying the fucking price. So I want to ask you this. It's not really off topic, but I think it's very pertinent to things that are going on now. So I got an email. I don't know, man, maybe a month or two ago, and it was this invite to enhanced games. And I blew it off because I didn't know what the, I get so many emails of offers and stuff. Yeah, I will, so they wanted to fly me out, pay for all my shit, give you a con, con, you all this. And I was just like, you know, I got all these traveling. I'm going to podcasts. So anyway, I was at a show that I was speaking at, a biohacking show. And I was talking to one of my boys and he was running me down his list of

Starting point is 01:12:57 stuff he had this month. And he said, oh, and then, hey, and hey, he was at a show. And, games. I said, yeah, what the hell is that? So he told me, you got to be there. You got to be there. So, and this will just tell you how shady these people are before I explain how much it sucked. So I get this contract. Well, they send me the layout and it's like, well, we want you to put three posts up on social. We're going to fly you out. We're going to give you a credit for the hotel. We're going to give you a room. We're going to give you all this shit. And I thought, okay, all these people are going. It's invite only. So they send me this contract. Well, within the contract, there's a thing. in there and it says at the very bottom.

Starting point is 01:13:31 Oh, and by the way, we got a new supplement line out. You're going to promote this. And I wrote them back. I said, the fuck I am. I said, if you want me to come there, that's removed because I'm not promoting shit and put my name on it. So they removed that, fly me out. This was the most underwhelming, ridiculously put on an event.

Starting point is 01:13:47 And this is why I want to ask you about. So, first of all, if you break any world record of any kind, no one's going to recognize it. Two. Yeah, I don't know who the fuck half these people are. And three, watching this stuff in person and 120 degree weather in Las Vegas outdoors made no sense to me. But I guess the point is we're telling people it's okay to use steroid or any PED because they're being monitored by a doctor for the next couple years as if that's okay, which is what we're talking about. And two, what's exactly the point of this? So then when I get home, they said, well, Dylan, you haven't posted your third post.

Starting point is 01:14:22 I wrote them back and I said, are you sure that you want me to post this post? because the last one got six million views and on my contract doesn't say I have to say anything favorable here. Are you really sure you want me to do that? Two days later I get a response, you're excused from your final post. You know, like, because it was literally, brother, the most underwhelming bullshit thing I've ever seen. And there was just a bunch of people there that honestly had no clue why they were even there. But I want your thoughts on the premise of it because I just don't see a point in this, that's good in any way, shape, or form. I think the best way, the most charitable way to view the enhanced games is to go look,

Starting point is 01:15:01 a shitload of people in the Lentthers are to use a drug, except completely off label and no one knows about it. It's totally dark. So if we get a games going, we let people use approved FDA and we monitor their blood work. We keep them healthy, which by the way, the Olympic athletes don't get monitored for health. Like, if you crow, because that's your fucking problem. Then we're going to have a way to show people that enhancements are awesome, which they are in context of using them smartly, but they, you know, it'll be a responsible way to do it and it'll be really cool. And maybe it'll be an alternative to the Olympics. In the best model of this, it's like 10 years from now we have the drug-free Olympics and we have the enhanced Olympics where it's enhanced,

Starting point is 01:15:38 but it's safer. Athletes are adults. They can sign a contract. This doesn't take an arrest, but at least they get monitored. That's the idea. I think it's a great. The problem is twofold of why the enhanced games end up being really, well, three-fold. Problem number one is that, The number one way to get people to do excellent at sport is to use, like, the law of large numbers to your advantage and have thousands of competitors. Because only if there's thousands of competitors will you get enough representative samples of actually people that are the best, best. Right. Expecting people to break records when there's like 50 people at the competition versus like the 12,000 that go to the Olympics? Fuck, bro.

Starting point is 01:16:16 I mean, can you imagine like getting a soccer team together and you could recruit from a group of 50 versus 12,000? I'm like, which one's going to be the butterfly? So because it was such a small event, it was really hard to compete with the Olympics on just straight perform. Problem number two is that the number one predictor of performances, fucking talent. And if the best people in the world aren't there, you can use all the drums to you blue in the face.

Starting point is 01:16:40 It won't fucking matter. As far as I know, Hussein Bolt is drug-free. Okay, maybe he's on some drug, but he's not on as many drugs as I am. Dylan, you're going to bet on me in a race? My legs are fucking my, well, my whole leg is. as long as his fucking shin. He's Jamaica. And I'm Jewish.

Starting point is 01:16:56 Jesus Christ. And so if you don't have the most talented people, you're not going to be breaking a whole lot of records. So they didn't have that. They have some talented people, but it's like, well, they got like five really talented people. And then 45, just super talented people, but not the best best. And so instead of 12,000 combination of really talented and exceptionally talented people,

Starting point is 01:17:17 they have like 50 to 100, same slice of those people. And so, like, how many records? get broken at the Olympics, like, well, hundreds. How many records got broken up the fucking enhanced games? Well, like, one. Like, literally, it's what you would statistically predict. Here's the last part, though, point number three. I saw an amazing meme.

Starting point is 01:17:32 I don't know if you know this meme. It's like some, I don't know, some cartoon character or something. And he's, he's like looking like this at the camera in one picture and the other is just like that. And it's like awkward meme. And it was like Olympic athletes when the enhanced games guys don't break any of their records because it's like, they're also enhanced. Like, oh, can you imagine like sitting next to an Olympian?

Starting point is 01:17:52 go like these enhanced guys are their drugs, right? He's like, yeah, those crazy drug users, not like me, never used drugs, I'm an Olympian. The thing is like fucking a giant fraction, not all, but a giant fraction of the best Olympians. They're already on drugs. And this thing is they don't get health monitor and they're not taking only FDA-approved substances

Starting point is 01:18:10 like the fucking enhanced games people were. And so they're arguably on even fucking crazy or stacked. The guys in a Chinese weightlifting team of their government cooks up drugs for them are at the last year than the people are the fucking, just get out of here, bro. Then the kitchen's like, they did one time they popped the Iranian national weightlifting team for drugs.

Starting point is 01:18:28 They have 13 people on their roster. 12 failed to drug test. Okay. And they're not taking baby doses here. And so that last port is like the Olympics are the enhanced games more or less. And so it's like same enhanced games on average. Because if you take, okay, let's say pretend numbers, roughly half of the Olympians are not on drugs, half are. But the half that are on drugs are on the hardcore max of them effort shit,

Starting point is 01:18:55 whereas all the enhanced games athletes are on like really like tepid doses of just FDA approved shit. So it pretty much averages out. Like it's like like this versus like that. And so it's the same shit, right? So essentially the Olympics are the enhanced games, except not with the most talented people and also with like 150th of the fucking people. Of course it's going to be a dud. And so we reviewed this on YouTube on our RP Strength channel and it was just, I had to explain like this is why you should have never thought that, because some people really thought that, like, they were just going to break fucking dozens of world records.

Starting point is 01:19:29 And sorry, another quick thing, this is actually an interesting thing I learned quite recently. The average age of the enhanced games athletes was like, like something like in their mid, mid, early mid 30, so let's see, 33 or so. Yeah. The average age of the Olympian is like 27 or so. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:19:46 And so they're not fucking matters in real sports. Like bodybuilding, powerlifting, you peak way late. But in sprinting and swimming and shit, you peak pretty fucking early. And so you factor that in. And that's point number four of like we should have never expected the enhanced games to break a ton of records. My big curiosity is the, I think the folks that put on the enhanced games had all the best intention.

Starting point is 01:20:07 My curiosity with them is, did they really think that there was just going to be dozens of smashed record? Or were they like, well, even if no one breaks a record, it's still going to be a good show. Like, I just wonder, because it really, and one of the things I think it did super well is there is a lot of people,

Starting point is 01:20:26 maybe the majority of people that look into this, and you'll see this in the internet comments all the time, they think, and this is a pure copium, this is like the biggest cope of all time, they think that steroids make you a superior athlete. Yeah. And like you and I have been around sports long enough to be like, you see that Nigerian dude

Starting point is 01:20:43 that's never taken a drug, he's going to beat you at bodybuilding, no matter what fucking drug is. He was born with her. That's right. You're just regular person. And so same thing with weightlifting, especially shit like tennis. Jellin, how are you going to be this fucking Serbian dude that's six foot six that has been playing tennis since he was age two?

Starting point is 01:20:57 There's no drug for that shit. But so I think the enhanced games actually did a public service to people by showing them. But like, drugs aren't everything, man. You can't just drug because people get cynical, right? And then the comments are like, she's fucking drugs, man, it's all drugs. You see a picture of bodybuilder, like, don't even care if they're natural like drugs. One of my friends, Steve Hall, he's a natural pro bodybuilder. And like, he just, he's an excellent physique.

Starting point is 01:21:18 But like his arms are just enormous. Like for his, for his size, just fucking radical. He's a lifetime drug free. And it's obvious when you see him in person. He's not gigantic. He puts on a shirt. You know, he looks like, you know, a Jack normal dude. He doesn't like Superman.

Starting point is 01:21:32 But dude, every time in the comments, like, Steve, stop, why do people? He got on fucking drugs. It's like, dude, you're delusional. Drugs do not give you free shit. And especially bodybuilding is where they work the best. Real sports, dude, they don't do that much. And the enhanced games, you really drove that whole way. just like in the supplement world, everybody's competition is a scammer. So you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:21:53 It's the same thing that goes and gets put around and it's just you can't win. And I hate that. You know, that enhanced games, this is how crazy it was. It was an open bar all the way around. So it was free drinks. Cool. Very, very. 110 degree weather outside. I was in the, I was actually inside shopping in the hotel casino with an hour. That's what I did. And then I got my ass and on a flight the next day and went home. That's how great it was. And I don't, I don't have a problem with the use at all, like none. But what you said, I go back and talk about baseball because baseball is what made me start studying steroids so I could really comprehend. The steroids weren't the thing that was actually the most beneficial. It was that growth hormone that was healing everybody

Starting point is 01:22:39 quicker. The steroids aren't giving you hand-eye coordination. You know what I mean? To hit a baseball. And the growth hormone healing people rapidly. But here, Mike, what about the kids that grow up like with tennis that are getting, they have the money, they get all the private training, don't have the advantage over the kids that don't. There's always something somebody has over somebody else, no matter how you fucking play it. But the drugs don't make people great. It's the effort and the dedication, the diet, the training. They just give you the edge. Just like the cocaine.

Starting point is 01:23:13 100%. I'll tell you one thing. a dark side that you and I both know is true that you didn't mention just now. It all starts with talent. Talent is the most important ingredient other than diligent years of hard work. That's right. If you mix talent and diligent years of hard work, man, you are damn near there. And if you sprinkle some drugs on top of that or not, you're a champ. If you don't put it diligent years of hard work, you can have all fucking talent the world. Nobody gives a shit. Like, if you bring me like somebody who's unbelievably talented at like fighting,

Starting point is 01:23:42 just like his anti-coordination, aggressive killer instinct, but like you put him up against a D2 wrestler and put him in the ring, he's never trained, he's just going to get his ass taken down. You can't, you don't know how to sprawl.

Starting point is 01:23:53 Nobody is a, you can, like, even if you know how to sprawl, just naturally. Like, he's going to scoop you up, man, he's going to pound you. That's it. You're fucked.

Starting point is 01:23:59 And only fucking years of training is going to get you that good at MMA. And so drugs is even way, way lower down that totem pole. Like, you know, people that think drugs, there's a lot of lots of, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:12 cynical, commentating, be like, man, all these UFC guys are on drugs. That's what really makes the difference. Like, okay, do you take all the drugs you want for six months and then you go up against fucking Tj Dillishaw or some shit like that. You weighs 130 pounds. You'll fucking want, right? Oh, wait. Shit, he's been wrestling since he was like fucking three or some shit. And he's been doing M&A since he was 19 or whatever. That talent plus that work is almost the whole equation. drugs can round out the equation. Specific types of coaching can round out the equation. To be honest, bro, what am I, I don't know about frustrations, but, and you're fucking

Starting point is 01:24:47 awesome to talk to you about this because you're like, again, like awake to the real world. It's really fucked when athletes who accomplished everything they've accomplished with diligent, time, genetics, drug end up being like, it's this new phosphocreatine formula for, from DHF labs that really, like, shut the fuck. I know you got bills to pay. Just do gay for pay or muscle worship, motherfucker. least it's honest work. I'm kidding, sort of.

Starting point is 01:25:12 You know, like, stop whining little kids. You feel me? When it's just you and 5, 45-year-old Wall Street gay dudes in a room, it's honest, fucking word. Nobody's being lied to. They touch your muscles or whatever goes on in there. You get 10 grand. That's all your food for the month.

Starting point is 01:25:26 You're golden. Shit. Because otherwise, man, you're like, yeah, it's the fucking beta aline that did it. Like, dude, stop. Pakes. That's growing air. Oh, I just despise that. Dude, what am I.

Starting point is 01:25:38 favorite questions, Dylan, that I get every now and again, I get this last they got nowadays, but you know when young people, God bless them. If you're young, God bless you. It's all love and respect. Young people will ask you questions because they know you're successful or whatever. You're just like some guy at the airport that's way more jab than anyone they've received.

Starting point is 01:25:54 And they ask questions sometimes with these big open eyes to the world, you know, like you can smell the fucking innocence, right? Because they think what you're going to tell them is like they're going to remember it forever. And one of my favorite all 10 questions is not what's, What supplements are affected? No, no, that's a mature question. Not, do you use creatine and should I use creatine? No, that's a lot.

Starting point is 01:26:14 Here is not. What brand of creatine? And they're not asking because they're savvy and they want to, like, compare prices. They're asking because they literally think that the brand of creatine you use is what's going to make you jacked. And how do they find that out from fucking Instagram ads and muscle magazine? That's that toxic shit. And look, muscle magazines and fucking supplement companies, people have to make money.

Starting point is 01:26:37 But at least don't lie to people about it. Like if you're a bodybuilder and you've got creatine sponsor or supplement sponsor, you'd be like, this is a creatine I use because it's a company I trust. And when kids ask you like, hey, does that make a difference? Like, no kid. It doesn't make a fucking fucking. Yeah, creatine's great. It makes a teeny difference.

Starting point is 01:26:52 The only reason I use this company is creatines because they're not fucking liars and they put real creatine in it. But do they have some kind of magic formula? No, fuck, it's my to hydrate like everyone else's user. That's it. You know, and that's a good point because the advertising now, because I get hired for and I'm so selective with who I'll work with because everything I do is based on credibility. So I am like stringent on who I work with.

Starting point is 01:27:16 And these marketing teams come in and I walk right. I tell them just fucking forget because they come in and try to give me these scripts and control me. Oh shit. Yeah. No, no, no. And that's what they do to everybody. I'm just of the ilk where I go, forget it. Because I don't need your money to go and make a fool of myself and start reading a bunch of bullshit.

Starting point is 01:27:37 When I get up there and I hold a paper up and say, here's my blood work, I use this shit and it made a difference. Then I'll go promote it because I got the proof in my hand. Yeah. But, you know, structurally, a lot of these are the same. I look for ones that have different components in it. You know, there's some creatines that will add some, well, it's got extra this and that and I'll say, hey, I like this because it's got something extra in it. So I use it so I don't have to buy it somewhere else. You know, it's all unsure.

Starting point is 01:28:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then you got a point that this other bullshit like your saying. And it's like, come on, bro. Like, you're, you're just spewing off at the mouth and making people have this, like, built-in idea that something's so superior and it's going to make them 10 pounds heavier or something, you know. And all of us, we, yeah, man, all of us when we started taking supplements, we all thought they were going to work, like, the best version of steroids and match.

Starting point is 01:28:27 And, like, there's a mystique to it. I don't want to rob anyone of that mystique. Like, when you're 16, you start taking protein to your mom bought you from Walmart. Like, that's fucking great. You can pretend it's magic. It's awesome. Then you grow up when you realized like, oh, I could have just eaten more chicken or done fucking the same thing. There's great supplements out there.

Starting point is 01:28:43 Use them. They do great things. They just like, they're not going to turn a fucking old Volvo into a fucking Star Lake satellite. This is not going to do that. And if you believe they're going to do that, you're in for disappointment. And that just is how it is. It's like that discordance between expectation or reality. You know, people ask like, is our common question people have common thought they have.

Starting point is 01:29:05 It's like, you know, what is like, what is like, what is. wisdom and what is wisdom with age? What is innocence? I think one of the biggest answers there is like the window between expectation and reality just narrows so that you're just like kind of know probably what's going to work and what's not going to work. And also you know what kind of shit is going to have a big effect and what kind of shit's not going to have a big effect. I love it. And if people out there who should know or probably do know, but they're making a quick buck promoting some dumbass supplement, say, this is going to fucking change your life. I mean, there's people promoting supplements that have like, science is confirmed or a fucking fake, because just don't do any. And they're just selling them hand over a fist and like this real young kids behind them. And it's really fucked up. These people go to bed at night somehow with no conscience or some shit like that. I mean, right? Love that point. And that's, I talk about this a lot. There's a big significant difference between knowledge and wisdom that people don't grasp. You can, me and you can sit here and rap about shit we know about all day. But if we don't know how to use it wisely, then it's, it's, it's,

Starting point is 01:30:06 That doesn't mean shit. So everything we talk about is really for nothing if we don't know how to implement it properly. And that's the point you just brought up there is, yeah, we can give you facts about creatine or anything else. But if you don't grasp and understand how to use it and what you're going to actually get, you're screwed. You're just screwed because you're going to live a life of disappointment and expectation that never gets hit. And you're going to waste a lot of money, you know. I've self-known broad adults that were excited about a new brand to fucking supplements make on. You know, supplement-wise, my main goal with supplement is to find things that actually benefit your health.

Starting point is 01:30:42 So I look for something that's going to improve mitochondria health or gut health that really has valid ingredient makeup that will improve my quality of life. I'm not looking at something to make me jacked or to like make me so lean, maybe help a little. Yeah. But I'm looking more cognitive, long-term health. And I think if people had that kind of grass, supplements would work better because they'd use the right shit, you know? Fuck that. I don't want to get cognitive Dylan. I want to get jacked.

Starting point is 01:31:11 I want to die early. Like my heroes, goddamn it. Dude, I swear this. So, you know, when I, when I preface the whole conversation, I said you were at the top of my list. I knew this was going to be amazing. I said that prior to this, but man, this was like some of the most fun I've had. And I don't know how long. You are so far past wonderful, man.

Starting point is 01:31:32 I love this shit. This has been... No, Jill, I didn't know who the fuck you were, man. We're if I'd make like a thousand percent. This is fucking great. I'll come on your show anytime you want to have. I would love to have you on multiple times, man. You have, you, the world, I mean, because you have a massive following.

Starting point is 01:31:47 I just want to share you with people that maybe don't know you because the way that you convey it is what is so brilliant because you make it fun and you don't make it like a lecture. And I love Chevy Chase, dry humor. And so you kill me. Lippling. Sandy's straight. You're my worst quality. You're taking, you're getting it out of me. More dumb jokes. But you have the humor that you have to really kind of be intellectual to grasp a lot of it. And I just love it. I just freaking love it, dude. So thank you so much, fair. Your book is releasing on what date so everybody knows? June 23rd, I think. Okay. It's available for pre-order now on Amazon and all the other places you find book. Awesome. Well, this absolutely, all jokes aside, I appreciate. the topic because I think this topic is not touched upon enough by people in our position. It's more people that you don't want to hear from that have some sort of, oh, it's toxic

Starting point is 01:32:43 masculinity or this or that, that don't give a real firsthand to breakdown. So I really want to stress how grateful that I am and I think so many people will be that someone like you took this topic and made it understandable, palatable, and relatable. And that's what I want people to understand. you're actually making a very big difference for people struggling. Because people, I think this applies to freaking everybody. So thank you for tackling this in the way that you did. Thank you enough for all these fucking kind words, man.

Starting point is 01:33:13 And if you ever need any kind of repayment, I do great muscle worship. So you just let me know. How about this fine copy of the book and a guarantee you'll be back on the show? That I can't do, but muscle worship for sure, anytime. You got it. You got it. On both counts. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:33:31 Well, everybody, I'll link all of Dr. Mike's links in the description, where to buy his book. And brother, like I said, this has been beyond amazing. I appreciate you. I love everything that you do, and I will do everything I can to help you. You are a new fan. Thank you. I love it. All right, everybody.

Starting point is 01:33:48 That wraps up another one. I hope this was enlightening and beneficial and that you take as much from this as I believe you will to change your quality of life. So that being said, stay too for plenty more. to come Dylan Jameli and Dr. Mike Israel, signing off.

The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #137 Featuring Dr. Mike Israetel! The Aesthetic Revolution: Embracing Vanity and the Future of Fitness to Unlock your Healthiest Self!

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