The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #153 Featuring Dr. Joel Fuhrman! The creator of the NUTRITARIAN DIET! Over 30 years of experience and well known for his 7 New York Times Best Selling books!!

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Starting point is 00:01:24 So today is a big one for me. My guest is on another level of brilliant. And many of you are going to know exactly who it is after you either see this or hear the introduction. But we are going to utilize the time today to cover as much as I can possibly take from him. It's going to take probably multiple episodes. We've had some discussions. prior and I've already learned quite a bit. I'm excited to learn more today and present him to you. So he's a board certified family physician and nutritional researcher and he specializes in preventing

Starting point is 00:01:56 and reversing disease through nutritional and natural methods. Now he is the father of a special diet and I learned about this and I am super intrigued we're going to talk about. It's called the Nutritarian Diet and it's a nutrient dense plant rich eating plan. And this is designed to slow aging. And he's done so much. He has 12, and that is correct when I say that 12 books we're going to get into some of. And he is a specialist in multiple areas. So my friends, welcome Dr. Joel Furman. Great to be here. Thank you so much for taking the time to come and see me. When I got introduced to you, I was reading about you and completely fascinated, but then after talking to you, seeing the things that you've worked on, it's definitely life's work to say the least. I mean,

Starting point is 00:02:43 12 books and such substantial information. What got you into nutrition? Well, I was on the world figure skating team in the 1970s. I was second in the United States and pairs figure skating with my sister. Leighly. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:58 So we were competing and we always wanted to have better stamina and not get sick for training purposes. And my father was overweight and kind of sickly. He'd be going to doctors with back pain. So he started reading books from Herbert Shelton that were written in 1940s, 1950s. And the first book he read, I think, was, you don't have to be sick by Jack Dundrop. He was a producer of Happelon Cassidy or the Howdy Duty Show or something like that back on the days, right? So I was a teenager around 1960, you know, 1965 reading these books and thinking, my father's nuts. You know, how could you like think everybody's wrong and that what you eat, you know, what you eat is what gives

Starting point is 00:03:35 you asthma. What you eat is what creates rheumatoid arthritis and makes your joints degenerate. This is crazy, you know. How could I even, you know. So I can, so I did. So I did. read a lot and start to change. Our whole family changed your diet when we were young. So my father get better. He got healthier and we saw it improved our stamina for training purposes. And then I just kept reading and going to conferences and learning more and seeing people. And this is when I was a teenager. I'm like 18 or 19. I'm 72 now. So this is when I'm like, this is more than 50 years ago, right? And I'm seeing these people who recovered from ulstive colitis or recovered from asthma, recovered from diabetes. Didn't just get better. They got rid of their problems, you know,

Starting point is 00:04:10 through excellent nutrition. So I was really, you know, perked up into wanting to learn more about it. So then when I finished my skating career, I was still performing, teaching skating, and working in my father's shoe business. He had 12 shoe stores in the metropolitan area. But I knew in the back of my mind

Starting point is 00:04:27 that my real passion was nutrition at this point. And so I started to meet my, meet it to date and to meet a woman who turned out to be my wife eventually, and she was going to medical school. So I started talking to her and say, well, what do you go to medical school for? Not to just get people drugs that are toxic when it's what their lifestyle and their diet that's causing all the problems. So she said, if you're so passionate about that, why don't you go back to medical school and change everything and make you and do things a different way, be a different type of doctor.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Go to an Ivy League medical school and make things different. So I said, I thought about that, but I thought I'm too old in my late 20s. I didn't have the prerequisites. And then so this woman who I wasn't, I was just starting to date, started telling me about the postgraduate pre-med program. Columbia is saying, why don't you just drop your father's business, just sell the business, let him retire. And if this is really what you're passionate about,

Starting point is 00:05:16 go back to medical school full time. Go back to the pre-med program at Columbia. So I sold my father's business. I eventually married this person. But anyway, so I sold my father's business and didn't know I was going to get into medical school, but I, you know, took all the pre-med courses in one year at Columbia and then applied to Med and took the EMCAT

Starting point is 00:05:36 and applied and got it to the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. Wow. Yeah. So I, and with a specific intent to be a doctor specializing in nutritional medicine, and I became board certified in family practice so I can treat all ages and all types of conditions. And it's really, so I've had, you know, this last, you could say, you know, 35 years of this career that's been so personally rewarding because I've attracted people who are willing to

Starting point is 00:06:02 make that commitment who wanted to get well. I've had peep, say to me, you know, I'll eat sawdust if you want me to. if you can get rid of my rheumatoid arthritis. Yeah. You know, stuff like that. And then so I attracted people who knew my specialty were willing to do what I told them to do, and I watched, you know, thousands of people

Starting point is 00:06:18 reverse serious diseases. And so that really, so my early years in medical practice sparked my interest even more. How many years did it take you to get through that medical school program? Well, it was like a two-year process to get into medical school, take the courses, take the MCATM way to be accepted,

Starting point is 00:06:35 then four years of medical school, and then three years of residency. Wow. So that's about, you know, 10 years just to, you know. Yeah, that was a big thing to go back and deal. A decision when I was already successful economically in my family's business. I had to drop all that, become poor again, take out long. And invest back and become and go to school again.

Starting point is 00:06:55 But it really, you know, I'm really so blessed to have had such an rewarding career. By the way, when I was ranked number of second in United States in 1973 in paris skating as an athlete, I got injured and I couldn't walk for almost a year. So because of that, I couldn't get back into shape in time for the 76 Olympics. I came in, and subsequent, I came in fourth in that national championship, so it was the alternate. And then I eventually, after that, it was third in the world professional championships, came back into better shape again. But the point I'm making right now is that maybe if it wasn't for my injury, I would have

Starting point is 00:07:26 never pursued a career in medicine. So I think my injury may have had me cut my skating career short. Always, yeah. It's all that's different little things that come in your life that changed a trajectory of your life in some way, right? I know all too well, my friend. All too well. Okay, so this is something I'm curious about. Now, I've studied nutrition in school, but not to nowhere near the extent that you have. How does it differ from like your real world work in terms of what you've done now over the years to what you learn in school? Is there a lot of differentiation there in terms of the way that they

Starting point is 00:07:59 teach about nutrition itself? And look, I understand things have evolved over the years like low fat and low carb and everything that comes along. But what's it like in school? No, they don't teach anything in school. Nothing. It's almost like a couple of classes that are meaningless. The deficiency of scurvy from vitamin C or the B vitamins and how they can court better. It's worthless. It's no substantial learning.

Starting point is 00:08:19 You have to really learn it on your own. Yeah. So I've spent countless hours reviewing more than 40,000 scientific studies, publishing my own studies, but reviewing the world's literature. And I even have a full-time PhD who works for me. There's nothing all day long but but co-articles and read science and pull out the best articles. So it's just a full-time job scouring the world's literature and become an expert in the whole, and where the science dictates and directs us to, you know, to know where the,

Starting point is 00:08:50 the money is. Where is it really, and when you, but you know what? Over the last 40 years, the scientific evidence has cumulatively added on to what we knew 30, 40 years ago, but it hasn't changed it that much substantially. Yeah. So the, the reason that I asked that is not to throw stones at going to school or, you know, draw conclusions. But it is to make a point is that while it's respectable and it shows a lot of, you know, discipline to go to school and do all of that, the real learning and education comes from being in the trenches, from doing the real test, seeing the real world work like you've done, as opposed to, oh, I learned this at school. You learn how to read research and how to interpret and be a critique of research. Okay.

Starting point is 00:09:35 So if you're looking at 100 articles in one, subject, you can know how to throw out the ones that may have some maybe C or D value, not A or B. And so it helps you will be able to interpret scientific studies. Okay. But like you said, you don't get any training in school of how to deprescribe medication. My expertise, and I've imparted this to other physicians and trainings we've give people, I've one of the original founders of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine, which is now a board certification. And we've taught doctors over the last 30 years is how to get a when a person is eating healthfully losing weight and doesn't need the diabetic medications or the high blood pressure medications or the autoimmune

Starting point is 00:10:14 medications or the asthma inhalers how do you how do you slowly reduce the medication safely the person doesn't get into trouble so it's a whole different skill set to de-prescribe yeah and that's where you need a medical degree because I'm writing prescriptions to lower the dosages and to do it slowly I know one to switch and want to stop a medication yeah you know so it's a whole new specialty. I love it. Okay. So I want to get in then to some of the things that you do and some of the things that I've learned from you and that you're teaching. So you have developed your own diet, so to speak, or let's just call it way to eat. I don't like the term diet. Yeah, it's a dietary portfolio. Yeah. You know, I didn't invent eating natural foods. No. Eating fruits and vegetables, whatever, you know.

Starting point is 00:10:57 But you kind of gave the structure and the right kinds of foods. Now, I want to ask you this first. I say this, and I want to know your thought, because you would know better than anybody. I argue that food is medicine. And that's the actual medicine, first and foremost, that you can heal yourself through that. You set up your lifestyle. You set up the way that I, like, interpret blood panels because I do that is one of the things I do. And I can normally look at a blood panel and go, okay, you're not eating so great in this area. You're lacking this nutrient and it's coming from your diet more than likely.

Starting point is 00:11:28 Do you agree or disagree with that? I more than agree. Okay. I take it a step further. Because not only do I agree, but I'm saying most of what doctors do is hurtful and damages people's health. Not only it's food, better medicine, conventional medicine is harmful. Take any, let's take up, take osteoarthritis, okay? You come with me with a pain in your knee, I put you on a non-sterole anthony inflammatory drug.

Starting point is 00:11:50 That stops the production of chondrocytes producing the proteolycans and the glucosomino glycans that make the cartilage soft and cushiony. So now the pain medications from the doctors accelerate the generation of your knee and then you go back to them six months later it's still a lot of pain the drugs aren't working and they give you a steroid shot. Now the steroid shot now completely poison

Starting point is 00:12:13 the congenocytes and melt your cartilage away. So that's just one example. Yeah. You know, so what doctors do is the body is, you could say, is controlled by a lot of different factors, the nutrient density in the cells, the toxicity in the cells, the circulation to the cells,

Starting point is 00:12:28 the body fat and the body fat and all types of biochemical events. And when we, the signals of pain and the symptoms of disease is generally the body expressing something that's wrong. The medical profession, instead of trying to uncover what's wrong, gives you a drug which further contributes to the toxic load the body is trying to deal with. Very often the asthma attack, the psoriasis,

Starting point is 00:12:48 those are extraordinary efforts of the body to try to remove waste products and get it out of the body. So your mucus membranes becomes very hyper-stimulated. You're producing excess mucus, extra it gets all inflamed and easily irritated so instead of removing the getting rid of the build with metabolic waste products use a story inhaler now to stop to calm down the inflammation which just pushes the toxins the poisons back inside the body which now makes you or use a beta agonist like a rescue inhaler yeah which then irritates the lung further which makes you more

Starting point is 00:13:18 dependent on medication in the future and makes in it makes your asthma go to a deeper level of seriousness so now you don't just get it once in a while then you get the asthma every day you have to get wake up in the middle of night to take inhalers the point i'm making is that whether it's diabetic medications or insulin, which makes you gain weight, makes it more diabetic, or whether it's medications for pain that ruin your cartilage, or whether it's anti-inflammatory drugs that make your inflammation toxic. I'm saying, I'm taking it a little step further when you were saying. I'm saying medical care is one of the five factors that decreases your life, that decreases

Starting point is 00:13:48 your lifespan. Exposure to medical care is a risk factor for a shorter lifespan. So if you're taking, if you're a kid in a pediatrician's office and you're visiting the Your parents is bringing you to the doctor more to get more shots, more drugs, more, you know, more ear infections, more treatments. What I'm saying right now is the goal is to live healthfully as much to as much as possible. Avoid the need for medical care. Even how many antibiotics you've been given in your life is a risk factor for cancer down. I know.

Starting point is 00:14:17 And 94% of antibiotic prescriptions are given for indications that they weren't needed for. So we're talking about the vast majority of what doctors do is overall net harm. Now, we're not talking about medical emergencies or people who are in acute need of some kind of help. We're talking about treating chronic diseases with drugs when their lifestyle was the cause of the condition. Yeah. I can't tell you how many people I've had to work on their guts, for example, that have been over-prescribed antibiotics that don't do anything, that were for viruses. They destroy the gut bacteria. It takes a year to recover.

Starting point is 00:14:51 Yeah. They do something. They're destructive and you can't recover quickly from those death destructive effects. Well, you're oftentimes, because another thing that I do is a lot of stuff with cardiology patients and the heart patients. And you just rob Peter to pay Paul here. Take this and it causes a side effect. We're going to take this to stop that side effect and then this to stop that. And before you know it, you're on nine or ten medications.

Starting point is 00:15:13 And your whole day is planned out around taking this and then avoiding this side effect to stop this one. And it's just like this trickle-down effect. And so one of my main premises for even being here with people like you is to try to spotlight what is actually happening. So people will stop listening to, well, they're crazy. They're non-conventional. No, we're conventional. That shit is non-conventional. That's right.

Starting point is 00:15:38 I'm agreeing with you and I'm saying that what we do in the field of lifestyle medicine, getting people to live healthier, that's where the evidence support, we're doing evidence-based medicine. Conventional medicine is really not evident. based because they look at short-term immediate acute parameters, which can save a person's life in a crisis. Yeah. But they don't follow the effects of their treatments over the years and follow 10, 20, 30 years to see if that treatment compared to a group, let's say, who was treated, was not treated in that same medical way, follow them for 10 years and see what the overall lifespan is.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Yeah. What the cardiovascular death rate is, what the cancer, what the cancer instance and cancer deaths and what deaths were. What I'm saying is that medicine doesn't generally track long-term chronic, chronic effects of their treatments. They only track the short-term effects. So largely, not everything, but largely what they do is not evidence-based, it's hypothesis-based. And they're giving a hypothesis because it worked in the short one. You're feeling better.

Starting point is 00:16:38 You're breathing better. Your pain is down. And nothing bad is happening to you right now? It must be good for you. Yeah. Like proton pump inhibitors for reflux, which now we know have a black box warning because they increased risk of heart disease, like osteoporosis drugs. I can go on from one medical problem, like bisphosphonates for osteoporosis, which increased risk of Asia Tribulation, and most of the newer

Starting point is 00:16:57 osteoporosis drugs that are stronger than bisphosphonates increase the risk of having a heart attack. And then they can cause decrosis of the jaw or midfemar fracture. But we have now new therapies and regenerative therapies that can improve bone density without these dangers. But the point I'm making right now is that they're doing, they're not doing a great job at studying the long term damage and seeing what other options would give better long term, you know, would create less damage. And that's where I come in with nutritional excellence. Yeah. And I coined that term a Nutritarian diet just to describe a diet via which science has indicated with slow aging, prolong human lifespan. And when used therapeutically for a person in trouble, it can

Starting point is 00:17:42 enables the body's own self-healing mechanisms to reverse disease and have the person make a complete recovery and they can stop taking their chronic medications, you know? Yeah. I get rid of their diabetes. I was part of, I think, five other doctors or eight other doctors who published a study on the deep prescribing of diabetic medications once people adopted, you know, a high, a low glycemic, high plant-based diet when the diabetes melt away. So, but I published numerous studies on various topics demonstrating that people, that blood pressure

Starting point is 00:18:11 reverses itself in a short period of time. The majority of people are off the blood pressure medications, blood pressure medications in six weeks. I don't have high blood pressure anymore. I can't tell you how many people I've had to come in with all kinds of different instances where I say, all we have to do is change a couple things here. You don't need, for me, a lot of it's hormone related because I do a lot of that. So it's, I need testosterone and I'm looking at their blood panels. I'm like, no, you don't.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Let me fix this area and this and your testosterone is going to go right back up. And it's just the same with food. It's, oh, I'm taking this medication. Well, you don't need it. You don't need it. If we just make some tweaks in your diet and your sleep patterns and habits, It's gone. And I just hate that reliance on things that don't need to be relied upon.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Well, everybody is unhealthy. And the American diet is dangerous. It causes an epidemic of heart attacks and strokes and dementia's and other diseases. And people are so addicted and habituated to this diet and they're all overweight and they all have high body fat percent. And it's almost like doctors feel it's hopeless. They can't get people to change. It's too hard to change to radically change the way a person eat. eats once they're addicted to the American style of living and eating. And of course, as you know,

Starting point is 00:19:22 I've spent my career showing that people will change if they're educated sufficiently. And if they know that they're going to temporarily feel worse, and if they know that eventually their taste buds will change and get stronger and they learn the right recipes, they can make the change and they can stick with it. And they can drop 100 pounds and keep it off. And they can drop it. You know, they can get the inflammation down and they can stop the stickiness of their plate. It's a lower the risk of having a cardiovascular death. Within a couple of weeks, could reduce the risk of having a death

Starting point is 00:19:53 just from getting off the American diet. But people think, and doctors think, because this is a response I've gotten through the last, even through my whole medical career. We know you're right, but the but is we could never get our patients to do that. People aren't going to listen to you. You're not going to make money that way. And people just want a pill.

Starting point is 00:20:11 So you're just swimming against the stream. People don't want to make radical change in their lifestyle. They just want a medication. And you're just making it difficult for, you're just going to, you know, have, and you're not going to get people to listen to you anyway. So, you know, this is from a doctor, these are from doctors who are not trained in motivational techniques and nutrition. They don't, they don't have the experience in dealing with food addiction.

Starting point is 00:20:31 And they don't really have the science behind the food addiction nor motivational change, nor do they treat people in groups and give people enough time to learn and to make the educated decision for themselves. You know, my response to all these doctors all the years who always responded to me, like, even in medical school, you know, we, know you're right, but you're never going to get people and make the change. You know, that was the always response. And my response back to them was, that's not our paternalistic position that just because

Starting point is 00:20:57 we think a person's not going to change, that we lie to them and we don't give them informed consent and we don't tell them the damaging effects of taking these drugs and we don't tell them that there's an alternative that could give them better outcomes. We sucked away their chance to make a, to make the right decision. You didn't give them the option to make a right decision. Whether one in ten people will do it, make the change or one in ten people. or three out of ten. That's not even the relevant point.

Starting point is 00:21:21 The relevant point, we have an obligation to give people proper informed consent and let them make that choice. Yeah. So I'll sit down with patients and I'll say, okay, you're here with me right now, you know, do you want to just make an improvement?

Starting point is 00:21:33 Do you want to really do whatever it takes to totally get well, to drop all your excess weight and to get rid of your diabetes and get rid of your cardiovascular problems and get rid of your, you know, psoriasis, or whatever it is? You're willing to make all the changes necessary,

Starting point is 00:21:46 And they'll very often say, yeah, just tell me what to do and I'll do it. Yes, that's the, well, I'm going to do it anyway, so you might as well tell me, no, I'm going to tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. And most people, not all, but most are very receptive to that when you just say, look, this is, this is it. This is what it really is. Most people actually do want to hear that. You just have to be willing to say it, not be a people pleaser, but be somebody that actually cares, right? And I think that that's one of the things that I've run into the more that I've gotten into working with doctors and practitioners over the years. And it's like, man, I say this as precise as they can. Get some balls, man, because, like, people are depending on you. They really are. And doctors hold a lot of power in what they say. And I don't think sometimes they actually realize that some do, but some don't. That your words are gold to people. Like, they're gospel to some people. And I think that if that resonated, with more and I think it does with functional medicine doctors a lot because they go the extra mile

Starting point is 00:22:47 and they really try harder to give that. I just can't antiquate how careless that some of them are with the way that they're just take this and go. Take this and go without asking questions. You go to the doctor, how many doctors ask you, what's your diet like? How's your sleep? How much stress are you under? They don't ask you anything. It's just like, oh, you have that problem. Then it's probably this here. Or we can go give you a blood test here. And that's it. And I just can't stand it. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's thankful people like you exist because you actually dig in and show people different ways and methods and that's kind of why I want to transition into your diet that you've coined and that you've come up with. How, how many

Starting point is 00:23:27 years did it take you to figure this out? Testing wise and how did you develop it? Well, don't forget. I've just, I've just researched and I let evidence, evidence speaks. And the world's body of nutritional literature says and shows us how can, you know, cancer cells replicate and what food and food elements stop cancer cell replication, how do you shut off the kine-pathway that allow cancer cells to metastasize and how to, and how inflammation is the foundation of disease and how inflammation builds up through free radicals. So really, you know, I didn't invent that vegetables make people live longer and that raw vegetables have the most consistent, powerful association with reduction of cancers of all type.

Starting point is 00:24:06 There's more than 200 studies. So I had the background in reading from these early pioneer. like, you know, trail and like Shelton and how they advocated people eat a huge variety of colorful plants in their diet. And a lot of times, sometimes they have the science wrong. But in reviewing all the science that subsequently come out over the last 30 years, we know that, for example, there are more than, I used to say 200, but now there are more than 300 studies that show that the consumption of raw vegetables, like eating salad, particularly when

Starting point is 00:24:34 you mix lettuce, which is the richest source of sulfoquinivose, which fuels the good bacteria in the gut, the mixing lettuce with the cruciferous green, like arugula or sprout. or bokchoy or kale, how that supports the growth of the intra-epithelial lymphocytes behind the villa and the small intestines, how the green vegetables are necessary for normalization of the body's defenders at the gates of the castle, the lymphocytes that's around the digestive tract. So in other words, you're asking me, how did I develop this? It's eating this way, using it with patients, but also seeing the cumulative effect of evidence and the explanations and the studies that test it, you know, and see.

Starting point is 00:25:08 So what I'm saying right now is that the show that the more, vegetables, especially raw vegetables and green vegetables you eat, and there are studies following hundreds of thousands of people showing that the green vegetable consumption predicts lifespan achievement, how long a person lives. More percentage of green vegetables, longer lifespan. It was one Asian study on more than 100,000 people showing that in the highest quintile of crucifference vegetable consumption is where all the super elderly lived. If you wanted to achieve that, it had to be through high green vegetable consumption.

Starting point is 00:25:39 But I've come to that acronym G-BOMs, right, G-B-O-M-B-S, because there's more than 100 studies on each particular G-BOM showing the dramatic, you could say, corroborative evidence that leads to their anti-cancer benefits. And when you mix a dietary portfolio that includes all the various G-bombs together, then you support the immune function with a lot of different mechanisms that overlap and add a lot of power to the body's resistant to fight off any type of cancer, especially the most dietary-sensitive cancers that are hormonally sensitive, which are the most three common cancers in America, which are breast cancer, prostate cancer, and colon cancer, almost totally

Starting point is 00:26:20 dietary-induced cancers that don't have to happen with excellent nutrition. So the G-bombs stands for greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, and seeds. So we want to have a high phytochemical concentration in each cell and a lot of phytochemical and fiber diversity. to fuel the right bacteria in the gut. So all these things work hand in hand. So the mushrooms, for example, have anti-angiogenic effects and anti-aromatase inhibitation, which prevents estrogen from, keeps estrogen control

Starting point is 00:26:50 from stimulating breast and prostate tissue. But the anti-angiogenic effects means they prevent, like, an abnormal cell from cleaning a blood supply to allow it to grow fast. Okay. So they have anti-cancer effects. Likewise, green crucifers vegetables also have anti-angiogenic and anti-replicative effects on abnormal tissue. But they also have different

Starting point is 00:27:12 effects on enabling the body to remove toxins and fix repair broken DNA cross links and repair the mitochondria. In other words, the green vegetable, particularly the isothio cyanites, the ITCs in green vegetables, have an incredible, a whole series of different mechanisms, which they help normalize an abnormal cell. They remove toxins, they fix, broken DNA cross links. They suppress genetic alterations. They can lead to cancer. They improve immune surveillance. And they also have anti-angiogenic effects as well. So we're talking about all these different foods that overlap and enables the body immune system to enable us to be normally protective against these inflammation diseases that afflict other Americans.

Starting point is 00:27:59 So when we're looking at this diet breakdown, are we looking like macronutrient-wise? Or are we doing a certain amount of fats, proteins, and carbs when we're looking at this, or is it more like serving sizes of each, you know, area of food? Right. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that the amount of fat carbohydrate and protein that you eat, balancing those macronutrients is insignificant and almost irrelevant. Really? Yes, because when you, you know, high glycemic carbs are dangerous. When you switch high glycemic carbs to beans and squash into low glycemic carbs, it adds for longer lifespan. It's not the carb content. It's whether the carb is high glycemic, right? The same. So in other words, what I'm saying right now is that whether your diet is a little higher in carb or a little lower in carb.

Starting point is 00:28:44 But here's what we do know. We know that when people switch the type of carb and the type of protein and the type of fat, that's what leads to the longest lifespan. Not the amount of fat and the amount. There's some type of fat that is very detrimental. And there's some type of carbs that are very detrimental. And some carb, right, there's some protein that's very detrimental. Of course. But here, but For example, in a Nutriarian diet, we get our fat from nuts and seeds and avocados. The Americans get their fat from animal fats, saturated fat, and oils. And when you get, it's a completely, you could say, opposite effect now. Because, number one, oils supply no protein.

Starting point is 00:29:21 Yeah. Nuts and seeds give us our protein and fat mix. Right. But the fat is encased in a mechanical fiber bundle. So the fat is absorbed very slowly over three or four hours. bathing, so bathing the whole length of the small intestines in fats that fuel the growth of beneficial bacterial bacteria. And because the fat is eased out of the digestive tract so slowly, a good percent, like 20 percent

Starting point is 00:29:43 of those fats, are lost into the toilet bowl. So you're satiated by a certain amount of fat you're eating, but doesn't even get it all absorbent to the bloodstream. I see. So now, but in any case, you need a certain amount of fat for absorption of fat-sliable nutrients to get the maximum phytochemical absorption of the vegetables you're eating. Now you have your fat from oil in place of the daughter's seed like an American does, right? Well, those fats are absorbed within three to five minutes, not two to three hours.

Starting point is 00:30:07 And they're absorbed in the proximal or short part of the first initial part of that small intestines. You have a rush of fat into the initial part of the small intestines, which creates a spike. We call it the lipemic load of that meal, which is very high. The lipemic load of that meal comes in and inflames and damages the junctions between the cells, leading for a leaky tight junction. And now we have the lipopolysaccharides, the particles of bacteria. and pathogens, and food antigens can come in and excite an immune response. So the oil, and it's particularly fried foods, fried foods and a lot of oil, it primes the body

Starting point is 00:30:42 to be sensitized by antigens and also by bacterial toxins into the blood's causing inflammation. But now that spike of the blood that kill high-chloric rush into the blood stimulates the dopamine centers in the brain and makes you a food addict because now you're not satisfied unless you have the high-caloric rush. So there's two parts of the caloric rush. There's the lipemic load, which is the high fat entry to the bloodstream, and there's the glycemic load, which is the high sugar entry of the bloodstream. So Americans getting their carbohydrates from there being sugar, they're being white flour, white rice, white potato, particularly white flour products like pizza and hamburger rolls and croissants and bagels and comies. White flour is a sugar equivalent, and it enters the bloodstream at the same rate of glucose shooting up in the bloodstream as if you just took straight sugar into your bloodstream, into your, you know, whatever a sugar cube or a candy bar.

Starting point is 00:31:32 So white flour products are candy. And what I'm saying right now, when we add up the lipemic load from the oil and the fried foods and the glycemic load from the refined and high glycemic carbohydrates, that totals into a caloric rush that is brain stimulating and addicting. And it makes your body being dopamine tolerant. Now you're not satisfied with the normal caloric load. You've got to overeat and you have to look for a caloric load. So if the person had who's eating an American diet of fast foods and greasy food and oils and

Starting point is 00:32:02 sweets. You give them a salad, a bowl of vegetable bean soup, and an orange for dessert or something, they're going to feel not satisfied. That's like, I pull, I got to have something to make my satisfied. It's like totally hungry. You know, give me a candy bar, an ice cream cone, a pizza, something. That wasn't food. That was just an appetizer. So they, so their, their brain has habituated to this intense caloric load. Yeah. So we're talking about this balance of fat, carbohydrate and protein. I'm saying you have to rehabilituate the brain. So there's a period of time where you're not satisfied with the food, but when you start switching your carbohydrates to low

Starting point is 00:32:37 glacing the carbohydrates like beans and your fats to slow entry fats like nuts and seeds, then you're able to feel instinctually connected with your proper caloric load and you don't really want more food than you need to maintain your most, your leanest ideal weight. You exercise more, you weightlift and you get hungrier with the collars you burned, but you're not eating to create fat on that. the body. You don't eat outside if you muscular skeletal demands, you know. Avocados, to me, one of the most, like, fulfilling things that I eat every day, and I find

Starting point is 00:33:08 myself not hungry for hours. I mean, I eat a good amount of it, but it's, it's one of those foods that I didn't eat until, like, two years ago, and I can't go a day without it. It's just the best. So I understand some of the food you're saying. I got two questions for you. One is on the oils. Now, are we talking seed oils? Are we talking olive oils? We're talking every oil? Every oil. Okay. I know, like, conventionally, people think, oh, the Mediterranean diet is such a good diet compared to the American diet. They eat olive oil like crazy. Oliver, why you're talking about olive oil is good. Well, that's not true. It's, yes, olive oil is better than other oils. Yeah. It's better when you compare it to other sources of

Starting point is 00:33:40 fat like animal fats that may be worse. But when you do the studies, like the Previmate study, which compared the longest of the people, of course, were the people who ate nuts and seeds at baseline and were randomized to the group when told to eat nuts and seeds. The point I'm making here is that it's what are you comparing it to? Comparing olive oil to butter, you know, or you're comparing olive oil to walnut and almonds. When you do the comparison, we know that oil is fattening. And the consumption of oil on this false story that oil is so good for us is one of the reasons

Starting point is 00:34:11 why people can't lose weight. It sabotages their weight loss. Because it just took 250, it's 120 calories a tablespoon. Yeah. You just put 360 calories of oil on your salad. How do you take the, with no protein in it? Yeah. You would have been more satisfied with weight

Starting point is 00:34:26 while you're flooding the bloodstream with fat. The body's not going to suck fat out of your cells when your body is as a caloric rush. And plus it makes people desirous of more calories. Yeah. If you put, it's an appetite stimulant, you know. So yeah, a little bit of olive oil and a person who's slim and exercising a lot

Starting point is 00:34:43 and who has the extra load, like a person like who's a professional athlete, who can handle a little bit of olive oil because they had enough caloric space to eat all the other healthy foods too. Yeah. But now take a person who's relatively inactive and their caloric needs are only 30,

Starting point is 00:34:56 13, 1,400 calories a day, having I put 400 calories of oil in there and still get all the healthy foods that are supposed to eat into their diet. And you just sabotaged, you just added an extra 300 calories to their oil. Yeah. So it really is a saboteur, and it's not the healthiest way to get our fats. Yeah. I went through a phase one time, and I, geez, it's been like, I don't know, almost nine or ten years. And I've always been able to lose weight like this if I want to. I mean, I've been a trainer and a nutritionist.

Starting point is 00:35:23 And I went through this, like, year and a half phase where it was slamming the olive. olive oil and I could not lose any weight. And never in my life until that moment was that the time. And I was just, I like to test things. And that showed me, and I was having a lot of it, don't get me wrong. But I just, I incorporate it very little now into my diet because I found exactly what you're saying to be true. And that's why the people that walk around saying, I drink a liter of olive oil a day or

Starting point is 00:35:47 whatever. And I'm just like, come on, man. Like, that's just not, don't tell people to do that. Let me give you a simple equation. Yeah. H equals N divided by C. Okay. That means your healthy life expectancy is purports with the micronutrient content of your diet over calories.

Starting point is 00:36:04 I see. The more micronutrient bang you get per caloric buck the longer you live. The goal of absolute nutrition is gets much diversity and concentration of nutrients per caloric buck. I like it. Right? So the more you eat empty calorie foods and eat foods without as significant, the more you put in white bread and oil and even animal products don't have a phytochemical load. In other words, there are three classifications of foods. There's produce.

Starting point is 00:36:28 There's animal products. And there's processed foods, basically. And oil's a processed food. Yeah. And I'm saying here that only the produce contains phytochemicals and antioxidants and has enough diversity of fibers to support a healthy gut microbiome. And Americans eat, they say about 10% produce, but they really, if you take out white potato and ketchup, it's less than 5%.

Starting point is 00:36:50 The produce consumed by Americans. They're consuming about 35% of calories of animals. products and about 65% of calories and processed foods if you include oil in that combination. All right. I want to do something with you that I just thought of. A little bit of a rapid fire, but not too rapid because I want you to

Starting point is 00:37:07 get into things a little bit. But I'm going to just start throwing some things at you and you tell me yay, nay, and why. You know, like just random foods. Okay. Because I think this will be good. It'll maybe open up some eyes here. Ground beef, grass-fed ground beef.

Starting point is 00:37:20 Yes. I'm saying that there's a, you could say, a dose-dependent relationship between the consumption of red meat and animal products in general with short and lifespan, particularly when people switch from an animal food protein

Starting point is 00:37:33 to a plant-based protein. So the whole glycemic thing and you have more meat and you have less sugar and less carbohydrate is all based on studies looking at processed carbohydrates. And we're talking here about

Starting point is 00:37:45 the highest protein plant foods are green vegetables, beans, and nuts and seeds. Right? So when you're taking any study that compares a person lowering their meat consumption by 5% or 10% and instead increasing their consumption of high protein plants like greens, nuts, or seeds, you get a tremendous synergistic effect on enhancing lifespan.

Starting point is 00:38:05 So I'm saying I can open a book right now and list off 10 or 12 different studies, all done with hundreds of thousands of people followed more than 20 years, showing that the more plant protein they consumed, the longer they lived, and the more animal protein they consume, the shorter their lifespan. Really? Right. Okay. One of the most important, you could say, tidbits to get out of this presentation, is that we're not eating enough of these protein-rich plant foods like greens, beans, and nuts and seeds, right? What about seafood specifically like salmon, something like that? Another nay, because we can't get, there's not enough wild salmon around, and the farm-raised salmon is one of the richest sources of the persistent organic chemicals that are making people sick.

Starting point is 00:38:51 So you have, we have, we dump like thousands of tons of garbage in the ocean. Yeah. And they give these, and these people who are these, the fish that are farmed in farms in the continental shelf are given antibiotics and other chemicals to support the growth. They're not eating, they're eating, not eating a healthy diet. And we have, and our environment's very polluted. So it's not the same as a, as a natural wild salmon that you would eat 100 years ago. Right. Now, we've also contaminated a bivalves, which are scallops, mussels, oysters, and clams.

Starting point is 00:39:19 and the filtering of the overgrowth of the of algae from the overgrowth of farm runoff from farms the extra nitrogen in the water in inland lakes and in coastal waterways have caused a toxin that filters down in the water from called bmAA which is concentrated in bvils and shellfish if you said to me you know as a treat what would be the thing you'd an animal product you'd enjoy the most i'd probably say you know lobster probably yeah something like that but i stopped doing it now because it's so tired. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's associated with increased risk of ALS and Parkinson's disease from people who eat more who live near the Chesapeake Bay, who eat fish off inland lakes because of the pollution in the water now. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:59 Yeah. What about pasture raised eggs? Well, the, if you compare, here, don't forget where it's all about what you're comparing it to, right? So eggs might be better than something else you could be eating. But when you look at the studies and you compare people that reduce their egg consumption or eliminated their egg consumption. or eliminated their egg consumption and instead got those same calories from beans or nuts,

Starting point is 00:40:20 it reduced risk of cardiovascular mortality by 15% switching of eggs to beans and nuts. That's just the switch for the eggs. Yeah. It was even more from the switching of eggs that was a whole egg with the cholesterol than it was from switching from removing red meat

Starting point is 00:40:35 which is about 8% reduction. But it adds up 15% here, 10% there, 8% there. I'm making this radical claim. I'm saying nobody's, has to have a heart attack. Now, people say, what? What kind of bull is that? Heart attack is the heart disease is the number one cause of death for adults in America, right?

Starting point is 00:40:53 Yeah. And I'm saying that the number one cause of death of adults in America can be almost totally prevented. I'm saying almost because it could be genetic valve defects. People could have gotten, you know, some rheumatoid. There could be some very unusual causes of abnormal structures in the heart. But we're saying probably 98% or 99% of cardiovascular deaths can be wiped out. We could extend human lifespan dramatically with advances in nutritional science.

Starting point is 00:41:18 Okay. What about like fruits, especially like berries and things like that? Dramatically protective. Okay. The women's healthy eating and living study, the wheel study, showed that breast cancer was dramatically protected and most protected by the increased consumption of vegetables and green vegetables in particular and cruciferous vegetables the strongest. But the combination of cruciferous vegetables and beans gave the strongest protection.

Starting point is 00:41:42 But it also showed that people who added fruit to the, their diet had more protection against cancer than people who just had the vegetables and the beans without the fruit. Mm-hmm. So, yes, we're talking about nutritional variety and diversity. And berries, because of their high end, they go flavonoids, bioflavornoids and anthraciodins, are incredibly protective against cancer. They even, they're even studies that give people powders made from berries, like berry supplements.

Starting point is 00:42:06 Yeah. And show that early cancers, like, can be reversed from the berry powders. Wow. We're talking about, yeah, they do esophageal cancers because they can look it into the throat and see early stay. And they eat without cutting people open, they can either study the reversal of esophageal cancers being reversed from just giving them berry powders. Wow. So, yes, there's a tremendous benefit. That's why I go out of my way to get organic wild, to get wild blueberries and blackberries.

Starting point is 00:42:33 And I buy them frozen. Frozen, yeah. Excellent. So when you've said beans now multiple times, what kind of beans are you referencing then for people to eat? eat so they have an idea because obviously there's different choices. All types. Yeah. Lentals and black beans and red beans and azuki beans and kiddie beans and soy beans, all types of

Starting point is 00:42:49 beans. Green ones too? Well, green like string beans? Yeah. They're like a green vegetable. Yeah. Yes. There's a way vegetable.

Starting point is 00:42:56 But they don't fall into their category of beans. Okay. So beans when you are mostly, you soak them, you cook them in an instapot or whatever or a crock pot. You cook them for a long time. They're in a soup or stew. They get soft. They're high in protein.

Starting point is 00:43:07 They're carbohydrates. They have the, beans have the most resistant starch, you ever one. Yeah. And they have the most slowly digestible carbohydrates. So they don't create dysglycemic spike in the blood. And because they're so high in resistant starch, the 90% of the resistant starch doesn't get absorbed into the bloodstream. The word resistant means it's resistant to enzymatic degradation.

Starting point is 00:43:28 So the enzymes, the digestive enzymes can't break it down. Yeah. So it gets fermented by bacteria in the gut into short-chain fatty acids. Now, one of the major short-chain fatty acids, butyrate, is a signal of the hype, of the apostat and the hypothalamus to reduce our appetite. Mm-hmm. So our appetite and our apostat in the brain. So it makes us feel satisfied with fuel of calories.

Starting point is 00:43:49 So because the calories, the carbohydrate calories are not all absorbed, the at a percent of total absorbed calories, the protein content of beans is even higher than you would think. It may say 35 percent calories in a bean is from protein. But yeah, but when you consider you're losing 15 percent of the, you're using 15 or 20 percent of the resistant starch. that's passing through you or not being digested. And the percent of calories that were absorbed is closer to 45 percent.

Starting point is 00:44:15 It's more closer to 45 percent protein in the vein. Right. So it's really a high protein food in many cases. You're getting more protein than you would from the same amount of calories from animal products. Got it. Okay. What about for people that are, and I don't want to say bodybuilders per se, but people that want to follow this that are training to gain more muscle, gain more size,

Starting point is 00:44:34 they're obviously going to have a higher need for protein intake and probably a higher carbohydrate need depending on the type of training they're doing. Would you, a couple things then. Are there different foods you'd recommend, and then if we're looking at protein powders, are you looking at plant protein powders as opposed to weigh or what's your recommendation there? Well, I'd start with high protein plant foods,

Starting point is 00:44:53 like hemp seeds and sunflower seeds and, you know, and pumpkin seeds and almonds and beans. And, you know, I'd start with the real food. And people don't realize how high these foods are in protein. Oh, yeah. You know, so, but number one, so like a conventional typical high carbohydrate vegetarian diet, which is linked to osteoporosis and weakened muscles, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:12 gets about 15 grams of protein per 500 calories. But a Nutriarian diet gets about 25 to 30 grams of protein per 500 calories. So now we're in the 100 gram of protein a day for a 2,000 calorie diet when that range is from plants. So it's rare that a person would, you know, and as you get bigger and you're exercising more, maybe you need 3,000 calories a day. Maybe you're LeBron James or you have, you know, maybe you're a bigger guy.

Starting point is 00:45:35 You need more food. You get more calories. You're getting 30 grams of protein per 100 per 50. 500 calories. Yeah. You're pumping it, your protein. So, but yeah, I mean, if I was recommending a protein powder, it would be hemp and pea and pumpkin seed-based proteins because of the weight proteins and even the soy protein,

Starting point is 00:45:50 it raises IGF1 too high. Yeah. We want IGF1 to be moderate, not to be pushed up into the pro-cancerous range. But keep in mind, here's what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'm an athlete and I ski, I do downhill skiing in my 70s, and I do mogul, not downhill skiing, mogul skiing, you know, and I do mogul. You know, hard, and I play singles tennis very aggressively, and I do, and I go to the gym, and I've been working out my whole life, right?

Starting point is 00:46:17 And my body fat is around 11.5%. That's excellent. Yeah. And I have a six-pack. I love it. Okay. So now the question is, I only weigh 150 pounds. When I was competing as a professional athlete, I only weighed 155 pounds.

Starting point is 00:46:30 I'm only 5 pounds later than I used to be when I was younger and had more muscle. But what if I wanted to be 165 pounds or 170 pounds of muscle? I'd have trouble getting up there on my present diet. I'd probably need to eat more animal products to gain extra 10 pounds because I'm lifting weights, I'm benching, I'm squatting, I'm lifting as much weight as I could possibly handle. And I'm pretty strong and I could lift more. I could still bench press even now, probably more than my body weight.

Starting point is 00:46:55 But nevertheless, I'm not going to get to 165 pounds unless I eat more a higher protein diet. Yeah, for sure. But that's probably going to shorten my lifespan. So probably we saw it in the Nash study. The Nash study was on professional football players that the linemen who were bigger in the 250 to 300 pound range had the shortest lifespan of any population in North American

Starting point is 00:47:16 compared to the quarterbacks and the tight ends and the receivers who were running up, who were thinner and leaner, you know, and didn't have the extra bulk on their body. Yeah. The extra diet and extra calories they needed to get to that level of bulk and you're probably not going to get to that level of bulk unless you are eating animal products. So there is some trade-off here because the leanest athletes,

Starting point is 00:47:35 like the tennis players and the skiers and the boxers and the basketball players are going to live the longest. The power lifters and the guys who want to get as big as possible are probably not going to live as long as longest. And I advise a lot of professional athletes, including some professional football players. And some of them say to me, I have three more years in professional football

Starting point is 00:47:55 to get all my money, and then I'm going to work with me, and I'm going to figure out we're going to drop 50 pounds. I'm going to eat super healthy. I'm going to undo. But now I have to carry the extra weight. So I can't eat that way now. You know, if their career, they make a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:48:07 But in any case, there's some tradeoff here. Yeah. Because we're probably not going to maximize size if you're restricting animal products to the degree that I want you to restrict them to the not more than 10% of calories. Restrict to that level, you probably are going to maximize your opportunity to maximally bulk up. Yeah. But the maximally bulking up is not the same thing as maximum extending lifespan. I was going to say the same thing.

Starting point is 00:48:32 I've spent a lot of time in studies and understanding. through experiences to training people for so long, the more body weight you carry around for the longer periods of time, the shorter you're going to live. They stay in that mTOR state way too long, and it kills them. It does, and they don't like to hear that, and they get mad at me when I say it, but it's a fact.

Starting point is 00:48:51 And I try to teach people how to live longer, not shorter, just to be big. Right. It just doesn't make sense to me. So, I mean, basically what you're saying, then, is we stick to this type of diet, we have a lower probability of getting cancer and a higher probability of living longer by sticking to this diet. And I'm saying the probabilities are astronomically beneficial that people think, I'm claiming radical claims that they're not going to believe.

Starting point is 00:49:15 Yeah. I'm saying wiping out more than 95% of heart attacks. I'm saying, on the major, I'm not saying some rare cancer, not lung cancer from smoking. And lung cancer is coming by radon and collusion. But I'm saying when you're talking about dietary related cancers like breast cancer, colon cancer, and primary. prostate cancer, the death rate from those cancers could be diminished more than 90%. Yeah. Well, the 90% reduction.

Starting point is 00:49:37 We're talking about, you take that and the 95% reduction in cardiovascular death or 90, whether it's or more, we're talking about saving, allowing humans to live to their normal lifespan, which is between, conservatively, between 95 and 105 years old. We all should be living around 100 years old. Yeah. And the average American lives around 78, 80 years old. What are some of the, because we said now green vegetables a ton of times, what are some of your go-toes for people that you would recommend, like, optimal?

Starting point is 00:50:04 I want to, if people said, well, what's the change I could start right now? What did this one thing you want me to do? And that's change your lunch. For lunch, you want you have a big salad with a whole head of lettuce in there. Okay. And then I want you to also eat sprouts or bok chry or arugula or some other cruciferous green raw with it with shredded onion and tomato and, you know, whatever you want in the salad. And then the dressing should be made from nuts and seeds, not oil.

Starting point is 00:50:26 So we're mixing an orange with sesame seeds and cashews and blood orange vinegar and lemon or mixing hemp seeds and walnuts with tomato paste and tomato sauce and and black fig vinegar or balsamic vinegar and roasted garlic or we're taking a or putting in other words we're making a Caesar dressing a Russian dressing or a fruity dressing we're making it from the nuts and seeds not from oil so the dressing itself adds to the protein adds to the fiber adds to the you know you get lignins my diet has with anti-cancer lignins my diet has 300 times the lignins of you know lignins are these enter into enterol lignins that have anti-estrogenic effects.

Starting point is 00:51:02 Yeah. I think it's prostate and breast cancer. And they're in flax seeds and chia seeds and hemp and sesame seeds. But we're talking about that the Americans consume like less than a half of a milligram of ligand. We're eating like, we're eating 50 milligrams of ligand. But in any case, the point is that, so we had this big salad with a nut and seed-based dressing and I'm eating raw crucifers vegetables.

Starting point is 00:51:25 Yeah. And that's, you know, so I wanted to do that. And then they had a vegetable bean soup maybe with some beans that were cooked with onions and mushrooms in there. So they had cooked beans and cooked onions with some vegetable juices and, you know, with lentils and, you know, and so then they could have the, so that is low glycemic, high protein carbohydrates with the green vegetables. And you need this combination of raw and cooked. And lunch is the meal when people are out of the house, more oftenly tempted to eat fast food or junk food. So filling up with a, and chewing and filling up on soup with mushrooms and beans

Starting point is 00:51:57 and greens and a salad with a nut-based dressing is so important so you're not going to. And then, you know, so then you could have more cooked vegetables and walk for dinner. But what I'm saying right now is that the cooked vegetables could be that you have the raw vegetables for lunch. And now you're having cooked broccoli, artichokes, asparagus, string beans, zucchini, you know, you're having different types of other green vegetables at dinner cooked. And my favorite are artichokes. I love artichokes, man.

Starting point is 00:52:24 I take the artichoke and I cut it through the stem. right through the center of the orichoke, open up into two halves, use a small knife to cut the demarcation line between the choke and the heart, and I remove the choke and the fuzz. Take it out of there. And now you steam it for 18 minutes once the water's boiling, 18 to 20 minutes, and then you eat the leaves and the lower leaves and the choke. And the heart, the heart's the best part.

Starting point is 00:52:46 But the auretokes have one of the most highest oryx scores, the store of antioxidants, but they're also the highest protein per calorie of any vegetable. Really? Yeah. They're mostly, it's amazing. They're, they're so low in calories, and it's almost all protein. If you saw the amount of vegetables I eat, you'd love me, man, because I eat so many daily. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:06 Oh, yeah. No, I have for many, many years, and I snack on them throughout the day. They're free. I mean, nobody's going to put on fat in their body eating more green vegetables. No. So, yeah. No, I have a longstanding thing my wife does every day. It's mushrooms, onions, zucchini, and I'm Italian.

Starting point is 00:53:22 I love peppers, you know what I mean? So red, yellow. I'd mix all the colors up and spinach. And that's made every single day for me to just kind of snack on throughout the day. But I just started eating arugula because I hadn't been doing that. And I've kind of been mixing that in, too, and trying to get all that in there. So I like to try to keep variety as much as I can. So we're going over these parameters of longevity, the nutrient density in the cell, the toxicity in the cell,

Starting point is 00:53:45 which are related to the nutrient density, the more nutrient density and diversity. So I'm saying nutrient density and diversity because you're saying you eat a lot of different types of food. And that's the diversity of different types of nutrients that enables the cell's machinery. to keep itself clean. It's not just eating kale all day long. You've got to eat a wide variety. Yeah. So it's nutrient, density, and diversity. It's body fat percent is number three. Yeah. Because body fat is pro-inflammatory tissue. Absolutely. So there's no such thing as a healthy overweight person now. You have a high body fat. You're in trouble. 100%. And you get higher estrogen like you, you know, all these things that you're saying. Your testosterone ratio is off. Everything's off. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:20 And then you have your omega-3 index critically because your body can't detoxify from brain toxins when your omega thuminic is too low. So that sometimes can be supplemented to get it in the right range. And the last one is, believe it or not, is exposure to medical care, whether it's drugs, radiation, it's avoiding doctors. So you don't put medicinal substances in your body is a major factor, especially antibiotics. Yeah. Well, you know, this is why I love doing what I do because I have, you know, so many different

Starting point is 00:54:49 types of people that talk to nutrition because I've been a nutritionist, gosh damn, like 20 years now. And I love to get different aspects and different ideas. And this is the first type of diet like this that I've ever heard. And it's fascinating. And I've actually, after I talked to you, when we talked, I started to do, I remember that picture I sent you that my wife had been eating those. I've been eating that every single day. In corporate, then I eat it in yogurt, put it in one of my drinks.

Starting point is 00:55:12 And I feel pretty damn good. And I love to take and extrapolate this information and learn like real base science about it. So what was in that? Because you didn't say what was in that thing you would put in? Oh, it's flax and chia and hemp all in one. Flax, she and hemp. Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, you got to eat a lot of it to get the full.

Starting point is 00:55:33 I mean, it's like three big spoons of it, of teaspoons of it, I think, is what it is. But, man, I've been putting it in my, I eat it straight in my yogurt and it tastes damn good. Yeah. You know, there was a study that had, they followed one for 10 years, what had a diagnosis of breast cancer. And those who had almost no lignans compared to those who had less than one milligram of lignin at a 71% decreased risk of death from breast cancer over that 10-year period.

Starting point is 00:55:56 From less than one millimeter, like a half a milligram of lignol. If we eat, one tablespoon of ground flax seed has 21 milligrams of lignin in it. Wow. So even a teaspoon of ground flax is seven milligrams. So I'm saying even a small amount is so, so the chia and the flax, and then you put some sesame seeds in your lunch salad,

Starting point is 00:56:15 you know, that's more lignans. Yeah. So, yes, it's incredibly protective against cancer. It tastes good too. Yeah. It doesn't look like it will, but it does. I mean, I think so. I love it.

Starting point is 00:56:26 I eat it in my yogurt with some blueberries and it's... I put the wild blueberries in. I know I also bought, I bought this. It's called cherry juice concentrate. Okay. And I poured a little tart cherry juice concentrate on the wild blueberries and the flax seeds to give it more flavor. Okay.

Starting point is 00:56:43 Yeah. I'm going to try. I drink pomegranate juice for my heart, so I might try that. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah. Man, this has been fun. I appreciate all the eating. insight. Like I said, it's different, but it's, it makes sense. It makes a ton of sense. And I trust you.

Starting point is 00:56:57 I mean, you've been doing it for so long and you've clearly proven. So I really appreciate you sharing all of this and being bold, like, you know, talking about things that are non-conventional, but to me it's conventional. But I love the insight and the way you back it up with such confidence and precision and people like you are jams, man. So I really appreciate the info. It's been fun. Excellent. on. Where can people follow you, get some of your books? What are the best places to catch you online? Dr.ferman.com. Dr.ferman.com. And I do have my Eat to Live podcasts. Okay. Yeah, which I do with my daughters.

Starting point is 00:57:30 Awesome. Yeah, yeah. Well, we got to make sure we link that. I'll put that in the description, because I want people to listen to that. I bet it's awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Well, great. Well, I'm sure I'll have you back again for another one. We got a lot of other stuff. I've got so much to talk about it. Yeah. Yes. The time flew, but that's kind of how it goes when we're having fun with good information. So once again, thank you, not just for coming, but for for everything you do. It's greatly appreciated, man. You're a real asset to everybody. So thank you. My pleasure. Thank you, too. Awesome. All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. Enjoy this. Learn some things about your nutrition. Take this to heart. Give it a shot.

Starting point is 00:58:02 Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli, signing off.

The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #153 Featuring Dr. Joel Fuhrman! The creator of the NUTRITARIAN DIET! Over 30 years of experience and well known for his 7 New York Times Best Selling books!!

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