The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - EPISODE 17: Dylan Gemelli featured on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Dylan Gemelli Recently appeared on the Thyroid Fixer Podcast with Dr. Amie Hornaman and made quite the impression! Episode #476. Explicit: Beyond the Gym: How Steroids, Peptides and SARM'S can Improve your Health and Longevity   From Dr. Amie's description:   I want to dive into something that's stirring up quite the buzz in the health and wellness sphere – the game-changing world of steroids, peptides, and SARMs. Why are these names making waves, you ask? Because we're breaking barriers between gym-centric uses and broader health benefits that extend into our everyday lives. Trust me, as we peel back the layers on these compounds, you'll see how they've evolved from niche bodybuilding staples to potential allies in longevity and overall wellness. Dylan Gemelli, a seasoned biohacker, joins me to unpack everything from Semaglutide to the promising Retatrutide, and why precise dosing is your golden rule to avoid nasty side effects. But here's the kicker: our chat isn't just about muscle mass and fat loss. We wander through the murky waters of regulatory hurdles and the gray market, giving you a compass to navigate safely. From picking trustworthy peptide sources to understanding the subtleties of testosterone cycling, we've got you covered. We're not just talking theory here – Dylan brings years of hands-on experience, real-world results, and a keen sense for biohacking that's both practical and transformative. Believe me, if you're curious about enhancing your health intelligently, this episode is loaded with tips. Tune in and transform.   DO NOT MISS THIS ONE! This is an epic appearance that pulls no punches and does NOT HOLD BACK!!   Check out Dr. Amie's Homepage and Supplement Line https://betterlifedoctor.com/   Follow The THYROID FIXER Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-thyroid-fixer/id1529800263   Follow Dr. Amie on Instagram @dramiehornaman ______________________________________________________________________ Today's episode is sponsored by Apollo Neuro!   Get the Apollo Neuro for $90 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli _______________________________________________________________________________ To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN     TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN     THE BREAKTHROUGH MIMIO HEALTH FASTING MIMETIC SUPPLEMENT!  20% OFF with code Gemelli  https://mimiohealth.sjv.io/c/6588260/3323599/30611     TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast     MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN       HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli     Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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very insightful, very explicit. So, you know, if F bombs offend you, you can't listen to this one, you can't listen to L. Russ. But if you're open-minded and you actually want to learn about the underground world of bodybuilding

and what was used or what is used, what was used because I was in that world, and how it can be applied today. Because as I always say, bodybuilders are the OGs of biohacking. And what we did to ourselves, what we experimented with on ourselves, is what y'all are using now in the biohacking space. Peptides didn't start with Andrew Huberman. They started with bodybuilders, way back.

back in the day. So I wanted to dig into the mind of Dylan Jameli because he is an expert in this world. First of all, he's a world-renowned NASM certified personal trainer. He's a fitness nutrition expert. He's a weight loss expert. And he has a huge YouTube and Instagram channel where he goes deep and he discusses the worlds of SARMs and steroids. And if you don't know what that is, we're going to get into that. What is a SARM, Amy? We're going to dive deep into this. Anabolic steroids, you know, they really did get a bad rap in the fitness industry.

They really did. And, you know, to some extent, have they been used and abused? Absolutely. But what about things like ANAVAR or Oxyandrolone that we now prescribe to our patients? to our women, to our women in their 50s, 60s, and 70s to hold on to their muscle. So that's just one example of how the underground world has come to the surface and now common, we'll say protocols that bodybuilders use, that the fitness industry used are now being used in soccer moms, in dudes that are aging and their muscles are starting to, disappear along with their sagging skin and inability to perform sexually. All of these situations, all of these conditions or just aging in general, can actually be helped through the

use of peptides, SARMs, and even some antibiotic steroids when used properly. So Dylan and I just get really real. Bottom line is we get really, really real. So if you want to have your mind explode, if you want to learn things that you can actually do and use on yourself that may be out of the box unconventional, if you want to just be entertained, then keep listening. It's a long one, because it was really that good. Dylan, welcome to the show. This is going to be something a little bit different from my audience because we're talking about things that, quite frankly, we really haven't laid out on the show yet in 470-some episodes. And as you and I were talking off air, I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't brought this knowledge, brought your knowledge to my audience yet because

of my background. I mean, I was in the bodybuilding space. I love peptides. I love all this underground shit that I think shouldn't stay underground. It shouldn't stay. with the bodybuilding community and be nothing but bro science. It should come to the forefront and be available for all biohackers, all women, all men. I don't care if you're a soccer mom or if you're a 50 year old dude just trying to maintain your health and longevity and your sex appeal. This should be knowledge that is used and known and given to everyone. So I'm really pumped up about this conversation about this episode because this is totally different.

If you're just tuning in, this is totally different than anything I've talked about yet on the show. So this is going to be fun. Oh, yeah. I am beyond excited, grateful to be here. And I'm looking forward to it in a major way. So, you know, there's so much that we can talk about. But let's start with the known and we'll kind of make our way to the unknown. Yeah.

So people, you know, they hear me talk about peptides. I mean, honestly, unless you're living under a rock, you've heard the term peptides. And if you're like, wait, what? Okay, GLPIs, remember we talk about some of glutide, terseptide, Ozempic, Manjaro, Truelicity, those are peptides. So if you didn't know that, you know that now. So when we're talking about peptides, I'm going to hand it over to you to really kind of describe what a peptide is. and then we can go into the known and the unknown in the peptide world. But I think most people at least know,

even if they haven't tried it, about peptides in the biohacking space. So what are they? So, I mean, I'm just going to try to keep it like super, super simple because you can always get like really overly scientific and just very basic. They're just short chains of amino acids. And they really kind of function primarily through signaling pathway.

So they're kind of recognizable because they have the ability to target specific areas or functions in the body. And the beauty of them is the side effects are quite minimal. Some of the primary benefits that you'll see with them is like boosting growth hormone production, aiding in recovery and healing. There's some that have really, they provide specific benefits like fat loss, for example, like we were talking about with Ozempic and Tersepetide. But those haven't been around, you know, nearly as long as a lot of the other ones. a lot of them that when I started were like GHRPs growth releasing hormone peptides see where they've where they're at now and where they come from is quite a story and I can get into that later but essentially they're just they're short chains of amino acids and that should bring comfort to people

when you realize exactly what they are because there's a there's a big confusion on what they are and a lot of people do have fear of them and the term peptides get thrown around a lot and it's just misunderstood. When I started, like I was telling you before, there was like seven to 10 peptides that you could find. And now there's like hundreds, even thousands out there that do so many different functions. It's insane.

So, no, wait. Why is that? Is that just because those first seven to 10, maybe scientists were like, hey, this is really cool shit. Let's make more.

Or how did the more evolve? So, and that's what's crazy. So just a little background. when I started doing all of this, it was 2011, and there was nobody online talking about steroids at all. Nobody. And I had the willingness to go ahead and try, I was trying to do something with myself. I was kind of at a loss, out of crossroads on where I was going.

I had to start my life over, as you already know, at that age. And so I started to dig into, you know, talking about steroids, talking about things. would talk about in discussing really primarily trying to get people to not use them but knowing that they are using them and trying to teach them how to safely do it and effectively without just crippling themselves and during this time period I was being like a rep like a supplement rep for a company and they're the ones that were helping me to start the videos well they brought to me hey you know you're doing this for us we want you to start reping for research chemical companies. And I'm sitting there going, I don't know what in the hell a research chemical

company is. And I told them, I said, look, you know, I'm happy to take on all the work right now and do whatever I can. But I need to know what the hell I'm talking about. So I start understanding because these research chemical companies say not for human use, not for human consumption. Right. And I'm going, like, what am I doing here? Like, what are you guys doing? Well, I start to learn the ins and and the verbiage and how you can legally sell a lot of these things. It's a very, very gray area still to this day, right? And saying that something's used for research purposes, you can't say anything if you're selling these

that has to do with results, bodybuilding. All you can really do is cite animal studies and talk about rats and that's a whole other story that people with their stupid verbiage. Like, oh, they ask you questions like, well my pet rat wants to do this and I'm like listen fucker just ask me the question but he's going to come knocking down your door because you're using a peptide right right so when I started sarms was my big thing right that's what I'm known for that's my thing but then I started to get into the peptide aspect and when it started we had ipamorellin GHRP2 GHRP 6 CJC 1295 and melanotan too you know and

And that's, I guess like there was some semorell and hexerellins that were people weren't really knowing the five, six that I just listed are what most everybody was talking about using and what I got educated on. And they were all, those are all surrounding growth hormone, right? Yes. Yeah. Yes. We're talking about like growth releasing hormone.

Oh, and HGH fragment. And that's basically just a fragment of HGH. And it was always known as weaker, but good for fat loss. So with peptides, like now, you look at them and you're not thinking bodybuilders. You're not thinking that when you look at them. Back then, that was all that we were looking at. Practitioners, clinics, they didn't know anything about them. I've talked to so many people that run practices and they always say, oh, the bodybuilders were ahead.

Well, that's partially true, but the body billers didn't know shit. You know, all they want to do is get big. They don't care about anything else at all. I'm talking. And I don't want to say that about all of them because I got some good friends. But I'm talking, I speak with people that are, I think, are operating on a fraction of a brain cell because of all the shit they've taken. Oh, no doubt. But I will jump in here.

I always say that bodybuilders are the OGs of biohacking because we, I put myself in that category back in the day, we tried stuff on ourselves that are like just now it's popular. I remember trying GHRP2 and GHRP6 probably right. around that time like 2011, 12, something around there. And, you know, it was one of those things that it worked in the beginning. But I actually experimented with real HGH back in the day. And I want to pick your brain about that too. But really, I mean, I think even though the bodybuilders are just using it to get big and shredded, they paved the way for common folk to now expand their mind.

And basically that's what this whole conversation is that, okay, it doesn't. doesn't have to stay underground. It doesn't have to stay in the gym. We can actually use these things for health, longevity, performance, appearance, all of it. Well, and I think you'd agree, too. Like, animal studies are great. We need studies. But that doesn't always relate to a human. And in fact, many times it does not. And one of the benefits of being in the community that I've been in for so long is that I'm able to observe people doing it on themselves. I will always go and cite my science and cite my studies, but when people ask me, I will always tell them, I'm going to take what I see real world and what I see constantly over hundreds and sometimes thousands of people that I've

dealt with over the years, way more than some study that could be manipulated, flawed, done on an animal, had some sort of motive behind it. All this double, and they use all these big words that people don't understand, double-blindness, this, this, this, this, all of this bullshit. You know what I care about? Somebody that's going, hey, I'm running. an X amount of this for eight weeks. I'm doing it like this and this is what happened to him. Mm-hmm. You know, and I can develop some sort of consistent guideline off of that with a

realization and understanding that all of us are different. That's one of the things I would like to stress while we're doing this and I don't mean to jump off topic just to anybody listening. I can go back and forth with you, Amy, and I can tell you, look, this is supposed to do this if you take this dose and this is what you can expect. But that does not always translate. It just doesn't. And so you have to understand when when I'm giving advice or you're giving advice, that may be what's general, but your body's different than my body. You know, some people are more estrogen prone. Some people are more prone to X, Y, Z. You have to, you have to be careful. I always tell people start slow because you can always add more. But if you start off too high,

you're fucked because you've already hurt yourself and you may have to stop or you've created a problem. Right. You want to mitigate the problem. Be smart. slow ease into it. And like I said, you can always add more, right? If you eat a whole cake, you can't take it back. If you take a little bite and go, okay, I can have a little bit more. Okay, fine. Right?

Everything's trial and error. So I stress that because in my world, the concept is more is always better. More is always better. Yeah. And with PEDs and with a lot of things in life, oftentimes more is worse or brings more problems. So just, you know. I'm glad you said that.

That's a good point. You know, and I don't want to get all Confucius on here and everybody, but that's just practical reality of things. And I've taken a lot of shit over the years because I just, I don't give people what they want to hear. I don't tell you, oh, you know, you can run all of this and do that. No, I lay it out. This is what's going to happen, dude. And I'm not telling you because I'm a dictator or because I'm getting something out of it. I tell these people, I don't get anything out of this except I sleep well at night, no, and I gave you the right advice.

Mm-hmm. I like it. You know? Yeah. So, but going back to the peptide aspect of it, the evolution's crazy. It really is. It has gone from like zero, I'd say zero to 100, zero to a million. Because once like I remember and I started seeing a couple anti-aging clinics and I'd get these people on the bodybuilding forms and go, oh, I just got a prescription for ipomerellin. And then I saw somebody say they got one for MK 677 and I'm going, what the hell is happening here? You know? And, How are they doing this? Well, you know, then I start meeting people like you and people that I didn't know existed that, you know, because I've been stuck in one community. And in my community, it's, oh, doctors don't know anything. They're all stupid, you know.

Well, yeah, there are some that are. But then there's people like you and people like that I spoke with at the Mr. Olympia that are just like, you guys know way more than we do in your area. And I want to listen and I want to converse and I want to collaborate and give you what I know from the trenches and what you know medically. When we do that together, it's amazing. But you don't see people like from my world going into your world and working together or talking.

You just don't see it. Right. You know. Right. Right. And I get the hesitancy on both ends, really, because a lot of influencers will probably get made to look stupid. And a lot of doctors are worried about their credibility.

You know, so I try to do things differently. I'm not, you know, I'm not anything special. but I think I know what I know from experience and that my mindset is different than others. Well, I love the blending of both worlds because I think the biohackers, they're missing out on that deep and experiential, just like you said, anecdotal experiential knowledge

that someone like yourself who's been in the trenches and dealing with these bros experimenting on themselves and experimenting on yourself as well, I'm guilty of that too, of bringing that. kind of knowledge into now the modern day biohacking space where again like I said in the beginning you might find a soccer mom that's like I just want to freaking lose these extra 20 pounds that I put on thanks kids right or or the the man that realizes his testosterone is declining his sex life has gone

to the shitter and he he's losing that that strong body that he once had it's all kind of deflating but he doesn't want that. So I think bringing your knowledge and bringing that world into and meshing it with the biohacking world is a natural evolution that needs to happen. I agree. And look, you know, a lot of the stuff that I've gained is just through experience and knowledge and me sitting here and I've told you now several times I'm up so late. I'm not, you know what I do a lot of nights? Because my wife will just go to bed because she knows I'm just reading. I'm just studying and I'm just constantly looking because. Because one of the things that I despise is this whole thing about, like, it's demonized to ask questions all of a sudden. You know what I mean? Like, our whole world and foundation is based on asking questions. Do you think that Einstein wasn't constantly questioning science and questions? Doesn't science change constantly? Isn't that why we do experiments? Isn't that how we develop medicine? I mean, aren't we questioning what's going on and trying to find newer technologies, newer resolutions?

I ask questions all day, every day. And I say this all the time. If I go to you and say, Dr. Amy, I just don't understand this. It doesn't seem right to me. Can you break down? And I'm talking to you about something with thyroid, for example. And if you sit there and go, okay, good question and break it down for me, then I know you're credible.

You start doing this political shit where you get all pissed off and trying to defer and don't, and answer everything but the question. Right. If I ask you a question and every answer is I came from a middle class, family, I can't take you serious. I just can't do it. Okay. Right. Like, if you defer, get angry, I'm done. I just can't do it. And God bless you, I'll pray for you. But I just, and if, look, if you ask me something and I seriously don't know, I'm going to tell you, look, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm going to go to somebody that does and I'll get back to you. Yep. I do the same thing.

Yep. Totally respect that. Totally respect that. Well, it's, it's two things. It's called credibility and accountability. And I will always respect somebody that will admit when they're wrong and be accountable. And I will have no respect for somebody that thinks they're right every time in deflux. Right. You can't trust them. I agree. And I may, like I said, I, oh, here's what I always say. A lot of the best teachers have made the most mistakes, but they're willing to admit it and they're willing to teach people from those mistakes, you know. And that's what I try to operate on because Lord knows I've made so many mistakes. I don't know where to start.

But my difference amongst others is I try to not make the same mistake twice, you know. I love it. I love it. Okay, I got to bring you back to peptides now. I feel like, Rogan trying to keep Trump on track, right? I got to weave. You get your weaving too much. I got to bring you back.

So, okay, peptides. Now, you mentioned some, the growth hormone releasing peptides. And the growth, well, okay, wait, this is the question for you. there's GHRP, so that's growth hormone releasing peptide, then what is Ippamorellin and CJC? They're in a different category, even though they all deal with growth hormone, which I guess we should probably explain that. Your growth hormone is what and starts declining after the age of what and why do we even care about growth hormone peptides? Everybody's different and a lot of people will notice if they test IGF levels or, growth hormone levels that most people as they get to like,

their 30s, early 30s, some people I've even seen it in their later 20s will start to have a decline. Now, how fast that's just completely different from person to person. It really is. So using synthetic HGH is different than like a GHRP because that's just helping to release that. So like, for instance, if you go get a stem cell treatment and get them in injected into you, that's thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars or there's releases, right? So you take those to help release and get stem cells going. Well, same thing with the,

like if you're trying to run HGH, it could be a, it could be a car payment. You know what I mean? Like for a lot of people, it's expensive. You run a GHRP. You're not taking like straight exogenous growth hormone, but you're having the ability to help release this into your body. let's just take a look at, I'm just going to pick one, I guess. Let's look at like GHRP6. Okay. So, and GHRP6 is kind of like what I put people on when they're struggling with hunger. And I'll talk to you about ghrelin. Okay, so basically GHRP6 works and it mimics the action of ghrelin.

Grellin's like a hunger hormone, right? So it's a hormone that binds to the grelin receptor in your pituitary gland, essentially. and it triggers secretion of growth hormone from the pituitary gland into your bloodstream. They all work a little bit differently, but kind of similarly. With GHRP6, what you'll notice, and what's crazy about GHRP6 is it will increase your hunger, but it can potentially also have some fat loss effects to it, which is crazy. And it can enhance muscle growth. You can see improved recovery.

It's one of those. it's tricky because people have to be careful when they're eating too much or overeating. Now, then there's GHRP2. And this also mimics the action of Grelin, but it doesn't have nearly as much hunger to it. And when I have people that are cutting, I try to push them towards two as opposed to six. It has a lot of the same benefits. One of the things I like about it is it can help with bone density. Bone density, as we know, as we age and as we're lifting heavy, I think people forget

that bones do become more brittle and, you know, tendons and ligaments, especially if you're growing too much, can be an issue. So things that can help with that are pretty, pretty solid. I love how peptides help with recovery personally, some more so than others. But I feel like a lot of people will stack GHRP6 and two together for that muscle growth and fat loss. You just have to be careful. Anything that is stimulating ghrelin, you can kind of tend to eat too much. Now, a lot of that will subside over time. But, you know, it's, it's something you want to be careful with. But another thing I love about some of these GHRPs is the anti-aging aspect of it, right? Because they offer that benefit. And I'm not talking like you're going to wake up and be 20 years younger, but you can see it in

your skin like you really can. And it's hard when you're looking at yourself in the mirror every day, but let's just say you start GHRP2. Take a picture when you start and then take a picture four weeks later and put them side by side and tell me you don't see a difference. Really? Four weeks later, you might see a difference. Yeah, not not drastic, but you'll start to see it gradually and then do it at eight weeks and then do it, do it depending on how long you want to run it. That's arguable, you know, but you'll start to see differences and you'll notice some benefits in your hair, skin, and nails. Now, I will say HGH is going to provide the most anti-aging benefit of any of those. And then I would argue MK 677. And while we're on the growth hormone topic, nothing is going to beat growth hormone,

just so everybody knows that, all right, in terms of trying to increase your growth hormone production. But the closest thing to HGH is MK67. If you were to rank them, I always tell people, look, if you can't afford HGH, if you're fearful of like, you know, how HGH could potentially, if you misuse it, could increase organ size. You could have a big ass jaw or something. Well, and even insulin resistance, and I was going to ask you about the downsides of each, which I want you to speak on. But my understanding, too, is that straight human growth hormone, if you can obtain it, if you can afford it, if it's even real, will potentially increase any cancer cells that might be in your body. But let's say they're dormant and you start using HGH and it could kick up cancer cells. Now, when I used HGH back in my 20s for competing, I really didn't care about, you know, cancer.

That I'm like, I'm invincible. I'm in my 20s, right? But now it's a real, it's a thought. I mean, at the age of 50, you start thinking like, oh, my God, you know, is this something that I need to worry about? I'm kind of on the anti-cancer prevention train. So if, if, even if I had HGH versus a GHRP2 or I'morell and CJC, which one would? would you choose for, let's say, a 50-year-old?

Okay, so I'm just going to tell you just how I operate. I am always more on the conservative side, and I always look for, what do I feel like is going to give the most result with the least amount of concern and worry? And mind you, I am very thorough. Like, I'll get people that always want to go, well, what's the best to use? What's the best to use? I can't answer that without knowing your background of your history.

I'm always going to go more on the conservative side and put people on a peptide before I am with HGH, unless. there's a severe deficiency that's that's just normally not there or like a severe injury that we're struggling to recover from. I'm like 95% of the time going to lead towards the peptides. And that's just because I know that the risk of problem is far less and we can still achieve the results that we want to achieve, maybe not as fast, but I'm a risk versus reward guy. And I believe in peptide so much more. And while HGH can be pretty drastic, as most people know, there is far more risk involved.

And it costs a heck of a lot more. And, you know, a lot of people try to get underground HGH. And, you know, you can get anything underground and run the risk of having an issue. But there's so much bad underground HGH that you have to be aware of. Now, if you're getting it from a doctor, that's a totally different story. Right. But let's let's keep it. real here and a lot of people that are listening may not understand this a lot of people are going to

try to go the generic route so they can get it cheaper which you're certainly not going to get like a generic from a doctor like i'm talking chinese generic yeah it's very very risky i don't like it i really don't you there's underground peptides that are shitty too but there's far less risk of something going wrong you're just going to lose your money with a shitty peptide generally you know and i i'm very cautious i will touch on because you asked me about ipomorellum So that's like a selective growth hormone secretagog. And it's a grellin memetic as well. You'll notice that Grellin keeps coming up in a lot of these.

But it stimulates growth hormone release. That's the main thing that it does. But it doesn't impact your other hormones, which is huge. That's like when we talk about steroids and things, that's part of the problem that we're having is all of the other nasty effects. We're not getting those. All right. So ipomorellin is going to. bind to the grellin receptor in your pituitary, which you'll continuously hear me talk about.

I love ipamorellin for the, you know, stimulating the growth hormone release, and then it aids in muscle growth, fat loss, recovery. I see a lot more body fat reduction with ipomorellin and CJC 1295 stack than I do with your GHRPs. And if we're talking bodybuilders, especially, I always kind of go towards that IpaMorellin CJC combo. and now you can buy them. They're in a blend together. You don't have to keep injecting them separately. You can buy them blended.

I mean, shit, there's all kinds of things coming out now that we're never options. There's gels. There's capsules for some of these that are actually working like BPC. But there's a lot of creative compounding pharmacies out there that have, you know, cracked the code on certain things, truly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

That's very cool. So for let's bring it to the audience. So for your 40, 50, 60 year old woman that, yeah, she's addressing thyroid. She's addressing hormones. But damn, she's still, you know, she's doing the testosterone, but she's just not seeing that muscle growth. And this is literally what I hear from my community. Like, I'm still not seeing that muscle growth. And, you know, she's not talking about becoming a bodybuilder.

She just wants to see that shape, just that little bit of shapeliness and a little bit more strength in the gym, better workouts, less body fat. obviously yeah an improvement in skin what would you recommend for that in that in that growth hormone category well there's a couple options and once again i'm i'm a mama's boy so i'm particularly careful with women like you know like i always say my women like my mom my wife my cat and my daughter like i'm very very protective so i may be a little too protective with women so i'm sorry right off the bat but that's that's just how i operate that we like that we're good with that yes so ipomerellin has shown to be very very very tolerated well safer and that's one that i i've never had any issue putting women on now a hexerellin is one that doesn't get as much talk that's a growth hormone

releasing hormone so that's a ghr h so we're talking about a hormone here which is different i don't necessarily put women on those i don't like messing with women's hormones as much so i'm more towards the GHRP side of things. Now, a man in that age, I'm looking at Hexorel and Semorell and those options. But we're talking different categories here. I'm very comfortable with Ipa Morel and CJC 1295. Tessa Morlin is another one that has gotten a lot more popular recently that wasn't really around before. That's a good one to consider. CJC 1295 is interesting. I've always been a fan of it. I've personally responded extremely well to it. I don't have an issue with women running that.

But once again, with women, the age bracket you're talking about, I'd rather just have them take one thing. There's not a reason. You're not bodybuilding. There's not a reason to start throwing 50 things at yourself. I don't believe whatsoever. And so I have a lot of comfort with Ipa Morel in that age, truly. Okay.

Beautiful. All right. So moving on from the growth hormone peptides, where else would you go in the peptides? So it really depends. You want to, here, I'll give you a story. One of my worst experiences with peptides, but one that I would find many people would want to use. And that's melanotan-tantu.

Now, I don't know if people are familiar with it or not, and I'll keep it very simple because I can get scientific with melanin-tant-2. Essentially, it's like going to the tanning bed without going to the tanning bed, all right? It's going to increase melanin production in your body. and it provides a protective layer for you against UV radiation. So it can actually reduce your risk of skin damage and skin cancer from sun exposure. So it's pretty sweet, I mean, in simple terms. So it induces skin tanning. So like, here's my story.

I was living in Maui and it was right when I learned about peptides and I was like, and oh boy. So I would highly recommend. if you're going to use melanotan too, that you ease into it. And I will tell you why for two reasons. One, it can cause nausea like right after you take it. And so I always took it at night because I was hoping to prevent that. But I also, I also like to have like a protein before I go to bed or like small amounts of oatmeal for sleep. And so I would take the, I would eat and then like, you know, right before I went to bed, I'd take the little injection. And I'm telling you the first week I threw up

every single time. I just, my body didn't like it and even at lower doses. And then the libido got out of control for me personally, but the worst part of it all, when you take Melanatantin to, you're supposed to get yourself out in the sun for a little bit and help to tan. Well, I was in that phase where I'm in Maui, like, you know, I'm, I'm just going to go to the beach every day after work. It was a really bad idea because I would lay out like 30 minutes for like a week straight. And I got so dark that it was embarrassing. Oh my gosh. Embarrassing.

I went into the grocery store one day and I knew everybody in there because, you know, local Maui, you know, you just kind of know everybody. I went in there and somebody made one of the cashiers made a comment to me like, what happened to you? You know, and I didn't realize it. I didn't want to leave the house for like a week. Seriously. You have to be careful because it's so strong and it can really darken you up.

like major. It's very popular because, you know, like I said, it can provide some skin protection, which is sweet because, I mean, UV radiation is a problem for people. It's dangerous. And so it's nice, but it's, okay, just be very, very, very careful with it. I mean, there's, there's certain peptides that are out there that are just like for libido, PT-141, for example, like that's used for sexual dysfunction. It's going to increase sexual desire. It's, it's very, very strong. And I would almost prefer people use that over Seattleis or Viagra. And now we can get into that, you know, a different because it's a totally different concept, but it's a different mechanism.

And I feel like it's safer, you know. So that's another thing that's out there. There's so many different options depending on what you want. I mean, right now, I will tell you this, because I am very friendly with a lot of people that own research chemical sites. Yep. And so I have watched and I study what's selling the most. So I know what I'm going to have the most questions for.

I do some affiliate work. I know what to push. You know what I mean? And right now, it's not even close in terms of what the most popular is. And I mean, not even close. And that's BPC 157. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's just great for everything. I use that after any surgery I've ever had. and the healing time is dramatically reduced. I mean, you heal so quickly. Oh, I have a story on that, I'll tell you. Yeah, please. So I, this is last year, I went to a conference and I'm at the conference and I don't even know how much I believe in like energetics.

I do. I'm halfway into the woo and halfway out of the woo. And this woman's like, you know, I'm going to run this energetic program on you and really help your back. because my back was tight from traveling. Well, it did the opposite. My back locked down. Like, shit, I was better off before she even did anything, right?

So I got the negative energetic from her. My back was killing me. Dylan, I don't even know to this day what made me pack BPC 157. I don't take my peptides with me. So I don't even know what, but I went back to the room. I'm like, oh my God, I have BPC. I loaded the entire syringe because as you can attest you. some peptides, you can't really overdo it.

Even if you take the whole damn thing, nothing's going to happen to you. Or maybe you get like a little bit nauseous or whatever, depending on the peptide. I loaded the syringe. I reached around in the mirror, jam that into my back. I know I could have done it at my stomach too, but I'm like, I want this to get as close to the problem as possible. And I kid you not, in a few hours, my pain was gone and I was back to normal. So I'm a firm believer in BPC-157.

you know what i'm going to do for you and your audience i'm going to give you my healing stack like i'm talking if you want to just rock with the best healing stack possible it's a combination of sarms and peptides oh okay well you have to get into what sarms are too so yeah we'll get into that for sure and and you know what though i i will say this mk677 is not a sarm it's a secretagogue but it gets grouped in with sarms so a lot of times things are sold and marketed as as sarms which we'll get into later, but that I'm going to list that in the SARM category, even though it's kind of listed in a peptide category now. So the obvious number one is BPC 157, correct?

That's your, that's like your backbone. So like if you're running a steroid cycle testosterone, your backbone, well, my healing protocol, BPC is your number one. That's your backbone. Number two is TB 500. Anybody that uses BPC 157 tends to also stack with TB 500, Yeah. They, a lot of times now, they're all grouped together, whether it's in capsule form, whether it's in your vial, and now even gels.

And I'm a big fan of the gel myself. I get sick of pinning with all the TRT and I don't use steroids anymore, but I just get sick of pinning. Yeah. So to have a gel is nice. So we got those two BPC 157, TB 500, MK 677, which I told you is very similar. to HGH. That's a lot. Now, you got to understand with that.

That's a longer term healer. So that takes a while. That's like your, let's keep the healing going once we stop everything else, because you can't just run everything forever that I'm listing. You have to, you have to come off. So we've got your three there.

Here's my favorite. This is my key. MK2866, also known as Osterin. That is your short-term healer. And what I love about Osterin is, you're not healing is just a fraction of what you get from it it's one it was one of the first arms that was ever sold and it it provides you fat loss it provides you strength it provides you lean muscle now there's some side effects you got to be careful with it it's slightly suppressive

to your testosterone which for a female not really worry about it but for a man if you're going to do this particular protocol you're going to need some sort of mini post cycle therapy it doesn't have to be a full post-cycle therapy. But when you start suppressing your natural testosterone production, you've got to, you got to be aware of that. Well, if you're already on testosterone, though, does it matter? No, you might bump your dose a little bit. No, you don't even need to do that. Okay. When you're on TRT, you're not going to see suppression or the blast steroids or what, because you're consistently getting your testosterone injected. So you, no concern if you're on TRT.

Lastly, it's another SARM. It's a newer SARM. It's called ACP 105. At actually has been found, I don't know the mechanism of action, so I'm not going to front, but it's been found to have healing properties as well. Many, many people report it. I can't prove it on paper, but I've seen it enough that I can back it up and recommend it.

So that is your total protocol with the ACP and the MK2866 and the BPC and the TV5. I keep people at 12 weeks. Oh, 12 weeks. Okay. Yeah. MK 67, we go at least six months if you want to get the full benefits. Now, when you're running HGH, your MK 677, I will tell people don't be too low carb. Some people will go too low carb on those.

Or if you have any diabetic concern or anything like that, stay away from these. You don't, there's other, there's other methods to heal. Just go BPC 157. But that's. Now, why is that? Will it drop your blood sugar or will it raise? blood sugar. People will tend to get like hypoglycemia with it and things like that. And it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's something that's not worth the risk, I guess. I would say this.

If you are, if you have any concerns of any kind, the safest one of all these is BPC. Yeah. And that's, it's body protective compound. I mean, it says it all in the name. Yeah. It does. And just remember with BPC 157, you want to inject as close to your injury as you can. So like that's another reason why I don't like to inject because I have a really bad tennis elbow. And of course, it's an insulin needle and I've got tattoos here. So I've been through the ringer, but you just don't want to inject in your elbow. You just doesn't sound fun. He's don't.

No, you just don't. And I'd like to avoid that. But that's when people come to me. That's the stack they get, you know, that I lay out and go do it. Now, you're not going to get, just understand, you're not going to get SARMs prescribed to you. So you could get MK677 prescribed. But the other two, you're not. going to get a prescription for those you got to go underground so yeah yeah keep that in mind i'm not

advocating going underground i'm just saying that's it that's just the reality well that here's the thing okay on that note the reality is that in the country that we live in and for now the fda has a pretty strong lockdown on things now yes yes with the new administration and with rfk already posting that we need to bring back peptides and bring back all these healing modalities that, yeah, big pharma might lose some money on, but they're very helpful for people. We might see a change. I'm really hopeful and I believe that we will. But the reality is in this day and age, sometimes to get things that actually work,

you do have to go underground. Just the same with if I get cancer, I'm going to Mexico, South America, or Europe, because I'm not going to get a cure here, even though we know that there are cures for cancer out there, right? So I know a big bold statement. Don't shut me down, Google, but for God's sake, freedom of speech is coming back too. So don't shut me down.

But no, I mean, the reality is sometimes you do have to go underground. And I think educating people as to where they can go and trust where they're going. Just like I tell my audience, listen, I get my peptides from research only, websites because it's easy they're cheaper and there are a few that i actually do trust so why would i pay three times the amount to have them prescribed from a compounding pharmacy when i know i can get them over here yeah and and save some money i can and i can always give a recommendation because i can guarantee you if anybody knows where to get them and where to not go i'm okay i'm very careful in terms of saying negative things about other places if you ask me i'll be honest i'm just

not going to throw it out there. My absolute, I have a golden goose and then I have another one that's like very close but not quite there. It's called Umbrella Labs and I actually went down to their company and that's in Arizona. And I'll tell you this. I have never been so impressed. Like, I'm talking about a facility, hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment and like a real company. A lot of these places, Lord knows how they're making their shit. You know what I mean? Like, some of them just make it in their house. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. Well, yeah. And they were like compounding things. They created gels and things that you haven't seen. They've come out with a semi-glutide tablet that they just came out with. Like,

it's pretty innovative. The owner's like a straight shooter, you know, because a lot of these guys are shady as fuck like yeah then there's another one it's newer and it's called rc s it's research chemical sciences it's a newer one but i like it because it's very scientific once again i i met this owner straight shooter like but this guy's more of like an intellect with it like a lot of these guys they're just trying to make money they don't live that like this guy was like mr science you know i don't think they do nearly as much business i don't think they're as big of a company but they're solid. So those are my two go-toes.

And I just want to say real quick that the listeners just got a diamond given to them right now. Because number one, I didn't even know about those two. So I'm going to text you afterwards and write those down. And number two, yeah, the fact that you are comfortable saying where you trust for research peptides, is you just gave the listeners literally a diamond ring. Like, thank you. Thank you. Well, it honestly, it's like my obligation because I know so much about this.

If I don't help people where to get things, then what does that say about me? Like, I don't want to bash other companies. Just let me tell you this if you're looking up things. And I want people to understand how this actually works. And these places hate my fucking guts. and that's probably why one of my first, when my old YouTube channel got shut down, I told you about this is part of the reason why.

But now I just don't give a fuck. So here's the whole process of how this works. If you go type in the term, SARMs for sale or peptides for sale, what you're going to find is all of these sites coming up that are review sites. And they do a hell of a job making these websites. And it looks like, like for Christmas,

And this is another trick for people that are looking at stuff for Christmas or looking for reviews on shit, how fake this is. They make these sites. They look so professional. And you'll notice it's always the same ones over and over and over that are being recommended. And then you'll get to it. Then you'll find one website that's not a big website that's not Tom's guides or all this bullshit. And then it'll be a totally different layout of stuff you've never heard of. And I'm going, what the fuck?

Well, now that I realize what they do. So here's what they do. the companies with the biggest amounts of bankroll. They go in and they go to all these different publications because you'll see this stuff like in men's health and like, you know, for SARMS and you're like, how the hell are they getting these articles in men's health? Well, I own a press release company

so I know how this works. We have the abilities to get articles in there and then when you scroll to the very, very bottom, it'll say, not associated with men's health. This is the article written by so-and-so. And the shit is this small. and you never you but you first of all you're never going to scroll down all that way and read that shit no you can literally put content out there if you got the paper on all of these sites and then you'll see

these websites that advertise and it'll say on Fox News on this on that the fuck you were right you weren't you were not let's see the actual video of when you did it because you can't show it because you're fucking liar because you have such a high bank roll and you know how to do SEO which is is how you rank on Google. So they take over all the terms. So you'll see these three or four SARMs or peptides companies that have taken over and you'll read these reviews and go, well, holy shit, you know, da da da da, da. This is great.

I got to go there. Here's my money. Yeah. Yes. And the same thing on Reddit. You go to Reddit. Here's a deal with Reddit. You get on those forums and Reddit has sub forums.

And what they do is they're bought and paid for by these companies and they will delete all of your shit. If you call them out, they will delete it. They will bad mouth everything of every other company. It's all fucking fake. So it's very difficult, and that's why they hate people like me,

because I know all of their tricks, and I don't let people fall for it. Don't just Google like SARMs for sale or peptides for sale and trust the reviews that you're getting. If you don't have somebody that is actually recommending them, that you can trust that has any sort of like credibility, just be very careful what you read, especially when you see the same damn companies being reviewed time and time again.

Because here's what they do. People create these websites. They will call the owners. And I know this because I've been a part of it. And they'll say, hey, we're making this new website and this review site. You will put you on here as one of our things. We're going to get it ranked. And this is what we want you to pay us.

And if you don't pay it, they're going to go right to the next one and do it. Yep. Pay to play. Absolutely. Don't trust. review sites because they're phony and then always scroll to the bottom and see what it says. Well, that applies to supplements too. I mean, this is like pretty much across the board.

And that applies to influencers. You know your point. When you, when you go on someone's site and it's like Fox, NBC, the Today Show, like, all they are are little logos. I don't see any videos of you on the Today show. No. Ever like anywhere. So yeah, to your point, it's pretty much across the board scamming.

when you see those logos, so if it was me and I had a website up and it was like featured on whatever, right underneath that you would see a YouTube clip embedded or a link to the website embedded that shows me talking on there. You know when it says as seen on Shark Tank, you can go look it up and see if it was on Shark Tank. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But anybody can make their supplement, their product look like it was as seen on or as advertised on. go look it up and make sure first.

Yeah. And when you can't find it, you got your answer. Exactly. I love it. That's a great tip too. That's another gem. You just gave him like an emerald. So there you go.

I'm dish. I'm fucking Kjewlers today. You are. You are. We all appreciate it. I'm happy to do it, truly. I really am. One of the things that I will tell the audience and you is, is that I have really figured out

what I'm supposed to do with my life. And I am on a mission to, to make sure that people get the truths that I am calling out and using my platform with people like you and anybody that wants to come along with me, that this is the one chance that we have now to fight back and to not accept all the shit that's going on. And I promise you, I'm very deep in faith and I won't get into that because I know some people don't like that. But what I will tell you is this is that I finally figured it out and I listened and I know. And now it's like pouring out of me. Some of the shit that I'm saying now I don't even know where it's coming from.

I have no plan on saying this, but that's like Holy Spirit working within me. Yep. And so I guarantee you, you will continuously see me doing things like this until they hate me so much. But now we got protection. You know what I mean? We did not have before. So you want to take away speech and everything you can try, but there's too many of us now.

There's too many. Yeah. Now, American people have spoken. We like freedom of speech. We like that part of the Constitution. We want to keep it. Yeah. It would be preferable to go back to when shit was fucking normal.

Right. That's a different conversation. That's a different conversation. So, okay, you mentioned the word SARMs. Yeah. So can you get into what that is and, yeah, just kind of roll from there? So SARMs is just selective androgen receptor modulators. You know, what's crazy about SARMs is when you go dig into every SARM, you'll find that they're basically

all developed to prevent osteoporosis and to prevent muscle wasted. So like cancer patients, AIDS patients, they would give them, you know, SARMs were created kind of for them so that they could help with muscle wastage. Because you know when you get some of those diseases, you're just eating your muscle away. You know, the thing that's different about, because I do all of these things, you'll see all of my SARMs versus steroids comparisons and oh, my fights with the bros over this is just endless, right? But one of the things is, you know, steroids will have a direct effect on your prostate. Well, the thing about SARMs is you're not running into that. You know, it's, you're not having these problems. It's binding to the androgen receptor, but you're not getting

the, and it's stimulating it, but it has effects on bone and muscle, which I said will increase your bone density and lean body, body mass, but it's going to have like minute effects on reproductive issues that you're seeing with steroid use. So one of the things that I love about them is they have this ability to kind of mimic certain steroids and what you're getting. Not to not to the same extent, but here's one of the things that I stress. When you are, when you tell me, or if I ask you what your results were, I don't care what your results were while you were using them. I care about what your results are after you come off of them. And the determining factors there are, what does your blood work look like? And how much did you keep? I can go throw somebody on

D-ball and anybody that doesn't know what that is. It's a steroid that is known for increasing bulk in a major way. I can go put somebody on D-ball. And they could literally gain 15 to 20 pounds on cycle. But here's the problem. A lot of that's water weight because of the estrogen conversion. And the capability aspect of that is very, very low because when you use a steroid as a man, you're shutting down your natural testosterone production. And so when you do that after you recover, a lot of the gains that you make, you lose. And you actually are setting yourself up for failure later with testosterone production, meaning that you're probably going to require TRT.

And in the meanwhile, you're just taken away from what you could do. But SARMs? and we'll get into certain SARMs and the different benefits. But when you take a SARM, you're not going to gain 15 or 20 pounds with it right away at all. But you could gain 5, 6, 7 pounds, cut the side effects down to a bare minimum, recover better.

And by the time it's all said and done, way better blood panel, much more capability on your gains. Now, part of the problem with SARMs now is a lot of the ones they're creating are basically just steroids that literally. They could shut you down just as much. they're just as strong.

But I'm talking like the early school ones, you know, that were very few when I first started. Like another one, GW 501516, it's not technically a SARM, but it's grouped with SARMs. It actually lowers cholesterol. It lowers blood pressure. It helps fix metabolic problems. And it's like it's banned by, you know, WADA, WADA, because it has such a drastic increase on, on endurance. So it's very unfair because it's, it's, it's. increasing your VO2 max to, I mean, I've seen people shave so much time off their mile time taking

this. I did it myself. It's insane. I've seen people, you know, when you shave in anybody that is a distance runner, if you shave like 15 seconds off a mile, that's massive, right? Right. I mean, that's a big deal. I'm seeing people doing like triple that off their mile times with this shit. Now, is this what Lance Armstrong used or is that totally different? He was doing. in like an EPO, but there's, there's a big belief that he was using it to. And in most endurance athletes, they get busted for something. That's, that's their go-to. It's usually a storm. Okay. Yeah, GW 501, 516. It's called carterine or SR 9,009. Carterine. Yes, I think I did try that in the past because I heard that it was for improving your

insulin resistance and weight as well, correct? Yes. Yeah. It was, honestly, it was created to treat cholesterol and obesity is why it was even created. Now, SR-9,009 is similar. I prefer, so SR-9,009 is geared more towards fixing metabolism with secondarily increasing endurance, while carterine is more primarily endurance and secondarily with metabolism. So it's really, you're getting them both. If you have a really bad metabolic issue, I would gear towards the SR-9,000-9. You have to be careful with SR-9-009 because it can throw. up your circadian rhythm and it needs dose more frequently. So it's a little bit more of a like annoyance, I guess, than anything.

You know, people don't like to follow the rules on things with rule of thumb with with dosing protocols. If you, SR 9,0009's half life is very, very, very, very short. And if you really want to get the full effect of it, it's like every two to three hour dose. I tell people like, yeah, it's a pain in the ass. If you really want to just do three doses a day, fine. You're still going to get results, but you're not getting the max. And this is a liquid that you take in your mouth under the tongue, correct?

I mean, that's the only way that I've ever used to SARM or is it injectable? You never want to do an injectable SARM ever. Okay. Like they don't really sell those anymore. That's not what they were intended to do. And they're very problematic. SARMs, yes, liquid is great. I like liquid because you can manipulate the dosing quite well.

But now there's you can you capsules. I prefer capsules now more than anything. But like umbrella labs has a proprietor. This is why I love them so much. They're the only place that created a gel where you can take a gel and eat it. And I mean, look, capsules are easy. Liquids are tricky because liquids can, if you put them in extreme temperatures, for instance, if they freeze, you got an issue. If they get too hot, you got an issue.

And there are kind of a pain in the ass to carry. and their liquids are really, really taste shitty because it's pretty bad. Yeah. Well, they're suspended in either glycol, which is like motor oil, or they're suspended in grain alcohol, which is ever clear. And I mean, it's a minute amount, but if you take that shit, you feel it, you know it, right? Right. This is another reason why I like Umbrella Labs. They have a proprietary thing that they do.

It's called a polycell. You can't taste it. You can't taste it. Now you have to shake it all the time before you use it, but who cares? You literally cannot taste it. I don't know what it is all that they put in it because it's their own formula. And I don't, it's none of my, I don't get into all that. But whatever they figured out and did, that was one of the main reasons I started with them is because they had the tasteless.

I like liquid because like I said, you can manipulate the dose. If you get a capsule, you've got a capsule, you're taking it just 15 milligrams. If you got a gel and it says 15 milligrams, you could break it up. and gas and whatever but if you got a liquid you can manipulate that dose right so if it's 20 milligrams and a milliliter you know the full dropper's 20 milligrams take the half a miller you got 10 you know because women have different dosing on SARMs than men do and you need to be able to manipulate the dose as a woman right so right okay so women can use a SARM so even though it says selective androgen which when you say the word androgen we think men we think male testosterone now

listen, I'll caveat this with, I always talk about the importance of testosterone for women. It's our get shit done hormone. Like men and women need testosterone. But when you say selective androgen, I think, oh, are SARMs just for guys? No. Now, there are some that I'm not comfortable with women running when you get a little bit harder into it. There's a few that you definitely don't want to use as a woman that I've seen women accidentally used that gave them some virilization.

And anybody that doesn't know what that means, it's like deepening of the voice, male attributes will come out. I've seen some like really bad acne breakouts with the harder ones. But there's certainly some that women can run. My favorite, here's the good and the bad to my favorite one for women. Remember when I brought up Osterin and my healing stack? Yeah. So women really do well on Osterin, but there's a twofold problem there.

It can increase the clitoris size and it can throw off your menstrual cycle. Okay. Not for everybody, but man, women respond so well like to, just the lean muscle and the healing and everything. S4 is another one that I'm perfectly fine with women taking. No problem. But we start getting heavier and heavier. Like I told you, I'm very protective. Some women are just hard fucking core and they just want to do it. And I'm like, go for it, but I'm not recommending it. You know? Right. Right. Just not. So, but I'm going to weave a second because you brought up to testosterone for women. And what I want to say is this. We have

trouble with men and with women because we know that women's, you know, estrogen dominant, men is testosterone dominant. But everybody listening, you have to understand something. I need estrogen and like Dr. Amy needs testosterone. Now obviously to what extent it's far, far lower in terms of our opposite hormones and what we need. But for men, if I crush my estrogen, I am in a world of hurt depression, inability to gain muscle, and you're going to carry around more fat, brain fog. Same thing goes with women. You have to, I just had this conversation with my mom and my wife because they have an expert in the house.

They don't fucking listen. No, we have to check your testosterone levels. We need full hormonal panels, full hormonal panels because there's other things that you've got to look at, right? Like for men, you've got to look at SHBG because that can bind up your free testosterone. And if you have low testosterone, you may not need TRT. You may have other areas you need to correct. Same with women.

You have to look at all of the blood panels and not make assumptions because you might not need certain therapies or treatments, right? Right. So I just want to stress that. And I had to weave off arms for a minute because I felt that was important. No, that's okay. I'm going to jump on that wagon real quick, though. Where do you like to see a man's, let's say, estradiol number? Good question.

Okay. So this is, and once again, this is subjective to the person, but I really don't like it lower than 30. Okay, that's where I'm at. Yep. I feel like when you start getting lower than 30, that's when you start to potentially have some problems. Now, I also don't like it like in the 60 range. Now, estrogen is good and some people are very comfortable in their 50s with it. And I also am very comfortable with that.

I just don't want it to get to the point where you're increasing blood, like, you know, like blood pressure, getting too much water retention or possibly developing gynecomastia, which you shouldn't at 60. Right. And if you're not running estrogen converting compound, you shouldn't. But you, if you start to get like itchy nipples or like you feel like there's some like fat there or something, just, you know, let's taper off. If you're taking something or maybe eating something that's,

contributing to that, maybe smoking way too much pot, you know, something like that. Just remember that those can contribute. Some people will argue that eating too much soy can do that. That's keep that in mind if you are eating too much soy and you start to have estrogen increase. My biggest problem with anything is where they have testosterone levels, you know, on their charts and where they, well, first of all, you know this better than I would, that you go to different labs, they're going to have different reference ranges, right? Oh, yeah, seriously.

Yeah, you can't even go by the reference ranges at all. Yeah. Now, for women, I mean, they don't even, I tell my ladies, where I want you to start for optimization isn't even in the reference range. You'll get flagged high at the barebone minimal number where you should be. So I like my women 50 or above when it comes to total testosterone. Most labs go up to a 48. I wanted to ask you where you want. I was going to turn it around on you and ask you a question where you liked your women. So you like them at 50 at minimum, right? 50 or above. And then you'll always have those women that are like, don't you dare drop my testosterone lower than 150. You know, that's where I like. And I'm like, okay, that's fine. As long as you're not growing a

beard or a clitinas, we're good. But I thank Karen Martel for that term. It's just a beautiful representation of what happens. So, but for men, now I'm going to. to flip this on you for men i always say i wouldn't even let my 76 year old dad be below an 800 for his testosterone where do you like to see dudes well depending on the age obviously but i i always say at the minimum i like you at the low 700s higher 600s at the bare minimum now i'm with you i prefer that 800 range but i also don't like it too high some people will argue with me on that and that's fine what I feel is that if you get too high and you're walking around too high for too long, that it will actually shave years off your life.

I'm talking like if you feel like you need to walk around like 1,500 every day, that's too high. It's not necessary. If you're at 800, like you said, oh, you should be feeling great as long as your other health markers are in line. But testosterone-wise, I love it in that range. Now, what's the effect on the prostate? Can you get more into that? Because you mentioned that earlier.

You know what, if you have a family history of prostate, for example, you just want to be very careful with your total testosterone numbers, your testosterone, your dose of it. Because what I've found is most people tolerate and handle testosterone very well when it comes to effects on prostate. But there's always outliers, you know what I mean? I just am very, very careful at anybody that has a family history on certain things in prostate is one. because it seems that testosterone will definitely, like if you go get a PSA done, if you take synthetic testosterone, that it will have a negative effect. But that's, then this leads me to this. If you are doing TRT or testosterone, make sure that you're having a doctor monitor you

for all of these things because you just don't know. A lot of people think they know, oh, well, my testosterone numbers are X, Y, and Z, but they don't really know the effect they're having on other things. You could literally, like I said, I don't see this often, but you could really fuel the growth of prostate cancer with testosterone use if you're not careful if you have a family history. If higher levels of testosterone, and that's why I'm careful with when I tell people too high, it can, it can really, it can increase your risk of prostate cancer and it can make it more. Like let's see you have, let's just say you have early onset prostate cancer. or for example, testosterone could really make it more aggressive. Okay.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it could really enhance its ability to grow on you and get it out of control. Yeah. That's why it's so important that you're always monitoring everything and that you're all over everything and that you don't take chances on anything at all. That's what people hire me to do a lot of times anymore is they just want me to optimize their hormones and read their blood panels.

And that's, I can't tell you how many people come to me just for that in their 40s and 50s especially right now. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I see it. I totally see it. So with, okay, since we're on the testosterone bandwagon, yes, important for women. For men, we know that there are different esters of testosterone. Yeah. Cipionate is the one that we normally use for women. And then there's propionate and inthate. I'm sure there's more. Those are the top three that I know. How do you choose what to use in terms of the ester of the testosterone? Yeah. Yeah. So I am very, very, very kind of like one-tracked mind on this, right? So there's, there's, there's, what I've seen with a lot of doctors is so testosterone undecinate, for example, is like a super long ester,

right? Like they'll have people come in and take that and take it once a month. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's so bad. It's so bad. I literally just stick with testosterone sippinate. Sustanonon was like really developed for TRT and that's a blend of four different and it's like 60% long, 40% short. I'm not a big fan of blends and I don't, I feel like there's too much yo-yo there. I always stick with sippianate because the half-life falls like right at that week. Yeah, but, but, but, but people like that because they think they should only dose it once a week, which I get, I understand based on the half-life, but you have these peaks and troughs, right?

And by the time the end of the week comes, what I find is most people like, they get it on this high and then they start to wonder why they don't feel so good at the end of the week. I love sippinate because it's perfect for twice a week dosing. Perfect. And I have people that will argue with me and I'm like, dude, do whatever makes you feel good. Do whatever makes you feel good. But I can prove to you that with what I've experienced by far and away twice a week, dosing is the best.

And I have spoken on panels with some of the people that all they do is do TRT and specialize in TRT. And I'm telling you, they're all this, they all are proponents. of it. All of them. I never ever have an argument with them. Or intramuscular. Intramuscular. Okay. Well, what about the sum?

Well, but wait, no one. Wait. You can. You know, you certainly can do. Because my ladies like to use the little insulin needle. And personally, I don't know. Like when it comes, I can, I will experiment on myself with anything. No.

But man, when it comes to jamming a big ass needle into my thigh. I can't even do a B-12 shot that way. I just get the heby-jee-jee-be. So is there a problem with, and I'll tell you what I've always heard, and this is why I dose myself and my patients this way, that for women, if we do test sippinate subcutaneous into fat, it kind of like holds in the fat and it gets more slowly released into the system through that week. Am I on to something there?

Am I totally? No, you are. And when you ask me that question, And I took it as what would my preference be? What's going to be the most? How are you going to get the most out of it? Right. Look, subcute can be done.

People do it. It's just if we're ranking the systems, intramuscular is always going to be the best. Now, here's a little, here's a trick for everybody that a lot of people, a lot of people, when they inject, they have three sites that they think of, first off the bat.

Glutes, well, those go injecting in my ass. Right. into your delts and then into your quads. Yeah. Now, the quad would on, but just on site, you would look at a quad and go, holy shit, look how big the muscle is there. That's the best because I got so many sites. When in reality, I would argue the quad is one of the worst because your room for error

is so minute and you make just the smallest. So just think of it like this. You got this big ass area, right? And then there's like those landmines on there where if you, take the wrong step it's just going to explode and and i swear to you the quad is the most problematic spot in terms of making a mistake and the delts here's a story for you that was so embarrassing that i did i i consistently injected in my dealt line i'm talking heavy this is when i was actually cycling steroids heavy amounts of oil well guess what happened because i kept doing the same

spot. I developed a lipoma on a, and it was like, it was like this. I had to have it surgically removed because I wasn't rotating sites and I was doing too much oil. Let me tell you the trick if you're doing intramuscular injections. It's called ventrugluteal. And that is by far the easiest, the best, and the most painless. So just picture, I'm not going to stand up and So just picture like the side of your ass kind of. Yeah. To the side, that's that's a ventro gluteal. So it's not directly into your gluteal.

It's in the side. It's so nice and thick there. Okay. And there's so much more room for error there. And it's so easy. And it's so nice. And I just, when I do TRT, I just rotate each, you know, I do the left one or the right one.

And it's easy. Now I will tell you this, if you're doing intramuscular, the small or the, I wouldn't, go anything under a 25 gauge 1 inch because if you start going lower than that, like with a 23, it's like a fucking harpoon and it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt. It's so scary. Even the 25 gauge is scary. For the listeners that don't know, so if you're my patient, you get this because you've been

there and done that. But for listeners you don't know, and it took me a while to grasp the concept too, the smaller the number, the gauge of the needle, the bigger it is. So when you're talking about like peptides, we're using an. insulin needle that it's it's like a 30 31 gauge and it's really teeny tiny and it's not scary at all and you barely even feel it but as you go down in those numbers the the needle itself gets bigger that's right yeah and let me tell you what i've done in the past like when i'm tired or or just got too much on my mind so you will when you draw you know like your testosterone out i use an 18

yes yes so that fucker is like that is it's almost like intimidating to look at well there's been there's been a couple times where i do that and then i'm just not thinking and i'm like oh no why isn't this going in why isn't it going in and then i take a look and like oh shit if that would have went in what but it doesn't really go you know it's too big it's just yeah it just doesn't go so if you find yourself like injecting and it's not going pull back real quick and take a look there's a reason it might not be going into the skin yeah maybe you didn't change the needle yeah yeah it's like trying to catch an orc a whale or something.

You know what I mean? It's like you just don't do it. Don't do it. Right. Yes. But you could do like a 27, 29, you know, Neil is just fine, I guess, too. It would be fine.

And you can certainly, you can certainly do. It's just when you're doing like subcue, it should be a much lower dose. You know, for women, it's much more acceptable than men. I have no issue with women. And even men, do it, do it whatever you see fit. But I would prefer women go on that route as a

to men because it's a lower dose and it's easier. Now, is there any benefit for women multi-dosing through the week? So for men, yeah, like if we took a 200 milligram dose of testosterone sippinate and we break it up, like you said twice a week, okay, 100, 100. And that keeps a more steady pattern of a pulse, more steady pulse of the testosterone. But if a woman is doing, let's say, 10 milligrams a week, is there any benefit of breaking it into five and five or not really i mean not it's i don't think it's so necessary because with the men it's you need so much more and it's so much more going in when you're talking 10 20 milligrams even

even if you went 50 each dose i could argue you don't have to but i would say this try it just see what happens you know just test them both out and see if you feel better that's that's all it would be so i'm always a trial and error guy and so just be careful and try things out and see how you feel. Yep. I love it. I love it. So I want to move from here into Anavar or Oxyandrolone.

Yeah. I personally want to pick your brain on it. I spoke about this on Ben Greenfield's podcast because I'm very passionate about it. I love that it's been brought back into the medical community. I love that we can use it on women, on people, on women that don't tolerate testosterone. So I have so much in my mind to pick your. your brain with. So I guess let's lay the groundwork for Oxandrolone slash Anavar. So, okay, I will, I'm just going to, I'm going to preface this right off the bat.

I have put out a lot of videos and a lot of content for women when it comes to steroids. I am not a fan of women using steroids. I never have been. And it's my protective nature. And just because that I know that it's just not, and take this as a guy that actually cares. They're not meant for women. However, the one steroid that I have actually said, okay, fine, I'll coach you on this is Anabar. And it's the one that women tolerate the most. But let me point this out. I actually have a video that discusses the myths of Anabar and one of the biggest myths is that it's just so mild. It is more mild than other compounds. That is an absolute fact, but to look at it as though, oh, this is so mild women run it, you know, da, da, da, da, da, that is not the case.

It is a toxic oral steroid. And when I say that, when you take an oral steroid, it goes through a process. It's called C-17 alpha alkylation, meaning it's altered so it can pass through the liver and get through. But what that does is it's methylated. And methylation can harm your liver. It can harm your kidneys. It can rack your cholesterol.

It can rack your blood pressure. And over time, even though our liver is resistant, you. and our body parts are resilient, this is very, very problematic. And that's why I tell people when they run anabar do not exceed six weeks of it, do not go over certain amount of doses. I have seen people run it longer and I've seen a slew of problems. And so I'm very cautious with oral steroid use. However, women tolerate anabar quite well.

I just am very careful with women's dosing. I always start them at five milligrams. And I don't take them any higher than 20. and that's like the hardcore bodybuilding women that really want to go harder. Now, I've seen women tolerate prima bolin pretty decently, which is my favorite steroid, by the way. I just, I have this thing about women and steroids where I'm more comfortable with peptides and SARMs because I just don't think most women, now I understand times have changed,

but most women don't want male characteristics and don't want deepening a voice. And some of that shit's irreversible. Now, chances of that happen with ANAVAR are low. but you know it's still it's a dh t compound which means it could also potentially cause hair loss and so these are just things that you have to keep in mind with any steroid now there's a lot of benefits that women have with anavar just don't think that you're going to use anabar and just start losing a bunch of weight or if you're overweight that it's going to do all these things that people think because that's just not the case well that's what i wanted to get into because

all right well i guess let's back up the history of so the history of anavar or the the the I don't think they can even use the term anavar anymore. It's just oxandrolone because you can only get it from compounding pharmacies. Literally, Pfizer or one of the big, big pharma companies used to make it for muscle wasting, for AIDS patients. Just like you mentioned about SARMs, they made it to protect muscle and protect against sarcopenia. Yes. So it really, I mean, it came to market with a purpose. And through the years, just like bodybuilders do, we start experimenting and we go, hey, wait a bit.

minute. This actually helps a little bit with muscle and strength gain. But you are correct on in that, you know, back in my day when I was competing, women were using it for for cutting. And yeah, I mean, okay, you could argue if I'm increasing muscle and increasing strength, naturally I'll lose more fat because maybe my workouts are better and muscle is more metabolically active anyways. But it's not specifically for fat loss. And it does have some effect on testosterone, correct? Even though it's not a testosterone product. It's not a, it's not a hormone like testosterone sipionate is. Right. I mean, just remember that every steroid that you use is derived from testosterone and altered, but they are suppressive to your natural testosterone. So they will shut you down. And that's

you know, with women. So here's a story. When I lived in Vegas, I was at one of the, the Botox clinics that I was going to and I was waiting. And this girl recognized me from YouTube. And she started asking me questions. And she told me that she had used Anavar for four years straight.

Oh. And she was an absolute wreck. And I didn't even know what to do at that time because I was still kind of in my earlier stages. And I was like, because I'd only been really into this three or four years at that time. And while I was versed and I was like, this is like the reality of things of what's going on. And people that don't understand,

you can't just stay on these things like that. But anyway, in terms of the cutting. So an anavar, one of the things about anavar is that it will target. And let me say this very clear, stubborn belly fat. That does not mean that if you're 100 pounds overweight,

that it's going to target all of that fat and just make it come off of you. If you're in really nice condition, let's just say you're 12% body fat and you're having trouble getting over that under that 10% mark and you've got like, you know, men have flank, you know, is like an issue for them or women like directly into the stomach. It will target that and it can certainly, it can certainly help. And it's a muscle hardener. So the leaner you are, the more you're going to see in terms of vascularity and muscle hardening. So you will develop a grainy or look. And that's why a lot of people will use it at the end of a cycle because there's, they're polishing off their cycle in steroid terms or bro terms with the polishing.

Right. I would argue that it is one of the best muscle hardening steroids behind windstrol and master on. So it definitely has that benefit. But if you're looking for something that's going to be a weight loss drug or magically put you into shape, you just understand that's not what steroids do. And when you do that, you actually may see results, but you're causing yourself more problems down the road than what you think and understand.

Now, what do you think about this, though? So women who, there are certain women out there. I mean, I could give them a drop of testosterone and they're reacting. They're breaking out. They're growing a beard. The whole deal. I can't. I can't even.

Is this, because I've used it, but I want your opinion on it. Is this a good alternative for those women who, they're poor testosterone's in the toilet. They're losing libido. they're losing strength, they're losing their muscle mass, they can't put on muscle to save their life, would cycling oxandrolone be a good alternative? I mean, you certainly could cycle it. Yeah, you just can't stay on it permanently. The good part of that is you could have some correction and certainly see some correction. The bad part of that is when you come off of it and you have suppressed.

So what I would say is if you have to go that route and you want to go that route, there's a couple things that you need to do. One, you need to be very, very in tune with your ALT, your AST, you know, like your liver, for people that aren't what, your liver function tests, your BUN, your creatin levels, things like that. So you'd be very well in tune with that cholesterol. And I'm talking comprehensive cholesterol, not just LDL, HDL, but another thing that you may want to consider doing is in between those cycles and don't run the cycles too close together is just get on a testosterone booster like a good one, not a bullshit one. I mean, there's, there's so many bullshit ones. And I'm not telling you it's going to fix you. I would just be sitting here looking in the

camera being a flat stone liar if I'm telling you an herbal testosterone booster is going to correct this. But it certainly will help if you get a good one. Yeah. That's another conversation or I have to like talk about what to look for and whatnot to. But that's certainly an option that you could do. I don't like putting people on clomid and clomophine, all of these things that were not intended for this. You know what I mean? That's not what you should do, HCG, which is always misused. And then some people will put aromatase inhibitors thinking they're going to fix testosterone production. All of these things, no, no, no, don't do it. Just don't do it. If you want to try something, do try the natural testosterone booster. The worst thing that could happen is you lose

50 bucks. Right. Right. Because it sucks. The best thing that could happen is, wow, we got some alleviation here and we're avoiding all the problems. Yeah. So rather lose 50 bucks and have a a fucked up blood panel. Yeah, exactly. I love it. All right. Yeah. We got a round out.

We have about 10 more minutes before I have a hard stop, but I got to pick your brain on the GLP's because you and I talked about it a little bit beforehand. So I want, I want your opinion on the GLP's misuse of and microdosing. Okay. So I'm pretty sure that we talked about this that I sat, that I was at the eutamonia convention, which is a biohacking convention for any. that, you know, isn't aware. And I went to what I was really excited to go to because I'm, you know, I know a pretty decent amount about GLP's, but I'm, I'm learning still in that

learning phase because they're still newer. And I went to what I thought was a discussion on GLP's and what turned out to be an absolute slug fest of one side being so, so for them. And the other side just thinking they were the end of the one. world, right? So, okay, let's semaglutide is ozempic, correct? And, and then there's Trezepatide, Monjaro, and now there's Retroitide, which is the newest one, which is supposedly the strongest one. But that's not out yet in, just to clarify for the listeners, that's, retreatitide is not out in compounding pharmacies or for prescription. It is only on the research that's right. Based websites only, yeah. That's correct. Yes. I'm,

I mean, basically just a glp1 is a glucagon-like peptide. And basically what semaglutide is used for is treatment of type 2 diabetes, but then obviously we're using it for fat loss is what everybody's using it for now. And then there's the argument of everybody's taking it up away from the diabetes patients that need them, et cetera. Look, semaglutide has benefits. You and I talked about this beforehand. and one of the things.

So JJ Virgin was the one that actually made all the sense when I was listening in because you had arguments like Jillian Michaels was on one end, just losing her fucking mind about how terrible it was. And then these guys that are all science-based, we're talking about the benefits of it. When a reality, the microdosing benefit is what I find to be intriguing to where I was even going to consider using it. And we're talking about when you've got things that are going to help your liver

that are going to boost your immune system functioning, things like that. I mean, I've seen people use it for cognitive help. Yep. Yep. And that is huge. And it certainly does have glycemic control. I mean, it really does. That's what it's intended for.

The problem is, is when you use this too long, here's what I gathered. The biggest problem is in what I've seen. You're using it too high or too long. All you're really doing is suppressing your appetite, right? So you're just eating far less, which is inducing the weight loss. And I don't have the exact study numbers in front of me, but I believe what the science guys were talking about was that they were showing in the studies that after like six months of use, you were seeing about a 20% fat loss. And I believe after a year, it was even higher. It was like 25.

It was right there. Anyway, their argument was is now they're putting like kids on this shit that are like six and seven years old and that they want. you to take this for the rest of your life because guess what happens you stop taking this you're not only going to gain the weight back you're going to gain more back and and that and that's the problem so i would say the benefits are there yes but the misuse is prevalent and then you see like ozempic face and you can tell what people are overdoing it and like yes don't listen it comes to politics it comes to behavioral things don't do what a celebrity does because they're just another fucking person and they're just good at acting or singing or whatever the hell else is.

It doesn't mean they're smart. It doesn't mean that they're politically smart. It doesn't mean they're health conscious. It just means that they're good at fucking acting or singing and they probably don't know shit else. So please don't follow that at all. Follow the doctors, follow the science. Not the assholes. True. There's my spiel. There's my spiel. I like it. No, when you get fired up, you sound like me. So I love it. But no, I'm with you. And Ozemic face is real. The lean muscle loss is real. I've shared with my audience time and again that when Manjaro first came out and this is what we do,

we experiment. I'm like, oh, yeah, let me see what it does, right? And part of it is I experiment on myself for all y'all. I do it to me. I do it to myself so I can report back and tell you, here's what's going on and here's what it does. Well, I was on this thing. And then the Peter Atia article comes out that, hey, turns out we're seeing some lean muscle loss with these g lps and at first i read it i was like nah that's that's overrated that's not true

and i kid you not weeks later i had like my mother's arms like where i saw i saw loose skin i'm like i lost muscle oh my god uh so yeah that is real and the the beauty of and what is that phrase it's that the cure or the poison is in the dose so literally you could use a microdose, not have any appetite loss, no nausea, no heartburn, no Zempic face, nothing, not even realize you're on it, but yet it's working beneath the surface to just keep your metabolism up a little bit. And then you get that neurocognitive protection and you get the liver protection and you get all those benefits without the side effects. As soon as you move into side effects, that's a huge red flag to your body. And you don't power through it.

You know, you don't say, well, I lost my appetite for three days. And then I'm okay. No, that is a red flag that you are on the incorrect dose. And you will pay the price of that eventually. Yes, that is absolutely correct. And I hope people pay attention to that. Listen to your body, plain and simple. Yeah. You know, you know Jay Campbell, obviously. And he, me and him were talking about Monge. at the Mr. Olympian. He was giving me the most staggering numbers of how much was sold. And that did not factor in research chemical sites. That was just in general.

It was in the billions. And I know how much research chemical sites sell of it. I will say this. And I've talked to Dr. Elizabeth Yerth is one of the people that I am so fond of and close with. And so we have a like we have serious discussions a lot about shit. And I trust her very, very, very. very much when it comes to everything. And she assured me that returitide will be by far the strongest of these three, by far. But it's not ready yet. Obviously, there's more stuff being done. But I will say

that it definitely is going to be it. It's kind of, so I asked her and I said, so I will look at it like this. First, there was Viagra, then there was Sealis, then there was LaVitra. And we just kept getting a little bit different mechanisms, a little bit more strength. So it's kind of similar to that with semaglutide terseptide retruit. But I think returitide is going to be far stronger than the other two. So I don't have a ton of data on it to go over. And I don't have a ton of people that have used it. I have recently been talking about it.

And there are people testing it out right now. So when I have more data, I'm going to put more out on it. But I just know what I know that I've been told by some professionals. Yeah. Yeah, that's where I'm at with it too. It's just, you know, I heard Jay talk about it. He raves about it. But I haven't tried it.

yet and I haven't had anyone try it yet. So we'll see. We'll see what comes down on the pipeline. But oh my God, Dylan, this has been amazing. This is an absolutely amazing. This has been, oh my gosh, probably one of the best discussions I've had it a long time. Thank you so much. It's just, I love being real with people.

I do too. So can you tell people where they can find you, follow you, reach out to you for help. Yeah. It's very, very simple for me. Everything is just at Dylan Jameli. It's just my first and last name. If you Google it, there's everything will pop up. Now, I will tell you this.

Right now, my YouTube channel is called PE Fitness. That was Performance Enhancement Fitness, but I will be rebranding it to Dylan Jameli biohacking as soon as all my logos and everything are done. But it's easy to find. And then I, one of my channels that was deleted before, I appealed it four years later and got it reinstated. And so that was just Dylan Jameli Fitness.

I haven't updated that a lot, but I'm going to do a lot of my old style videos there. and more newer stuff with more biohacking and more all my podcast stuff will be there so those are the easiest places to find me and then just dylan jemeli at gmail.com very simple love it love it we'll put that all in the show notes so i so appreciate your time today and just your brain dump i love it i love it i really appreciate it and i you know how much i love talking to you and how much i love you so i just thank you for having me on we'll do more we'll definitely do more oh yeah until next time Thank you.