The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #171: “My Heart Test Was Perfect and Then I Had a HEART ATTACK!” - Featuring Daniel Trevor

Starting point is 00:00:00 60% of the people who have a deadly first heart attack, the very first symptom of even having heart disease was their own death. I had just passed a cardiac stress test with flying colors, and I had just gotten a wonderful glowing bill of health from my trusted physicians. And then I had a heart attack and almost died. It's like, what? There's a philosophy that goes, a cured patient is a lost customer. Doctors have saved my life, so I don't want to bad mouth all of them. But they're in a system. They were taught in pharma-funded medical schools, and big pharma only wants them with a prescription

Starting point is 00:00:31 pad in one hand, a scalpel, or whatever tool theirs is in the other. I decided to dive into the science to figure out how could this happen to me? And what I discovered absolutely, it just blew my mind. Here's an interesting question. How much do you actually know about the way your everyday habits are supporting how you age? We hear so much about longevity right now. Sleep, protein, strength, training, nutrition. All of these things matter.

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Starting point is 00:01:50 and try might appear for yourself. Go to Timeline.com slash Jameli to take the longevity quiz and get your free gummies. That's timeline.com slash gemelli. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Dylan Jameli podcast. So I was having a pre-podcast discussion with my friend here because we can go on and on and on. I thought, man, we better click the record button, not miss out on all the things we're getting into. So my friend here has done quite a bit of.

Starting point is 00:02:20 of work that I just find to be not just fascinating, but so impactful. And it is one of those things to me that's soothing to the soul to see somebody that has taken some things that they've gone through and made it basically his life work to try to help people and get messaging out. He's not a fearmonger or someone that speaks to try to make content or anything of the above. He's a person that's went through everything that he's discussed and he's put it into text and spoken with some of the most world-renowned and brilliant people all over the world.

Starting point is 00:02:54 He is a citizen scientist and a serial entrepreneur, and he's created several startup businesses from scratch. And he's also created and marketed anti-aging nutraceutical products. And he's also been an executive producing national TV and radio infomercials. But the real reason that I have him here today is not for all of that. It's for this book right here, this beauty, this gem. It's called The Unholy Trinity. And we're going to go through everything because he's a heart of time.

Starting point is 00:03:20 survivor turned wellness warrior. I consider him a close friend. Welcome everybody, Daniel Trevor. Hey, all right, Dylan G. How are thee? Oh, man, I just love your channel and everything else. It's just everything that you're doing is really outstanding and really helping mankind. And you're right. I am a heart attack survivor turned wellness warrior because, well, that's what led to the book, actually, because I, what happened to me is this? I had just passed a, cardiac stress tests with flying colors. And I had just gotten a wonderful, clean, glowing bill of health from my trusted physicians.

Starting point is 00:03:59 And then I had a heart attack and almost died. It's like, what? What did they miss? And that's due to, basically, in a nutshell, inadequate or what I call standard tests that most doctors don't know to do. Or that's what they're doing. And there's no symptoms either.

Starting point is 00:04:16 It's like, you know, these diseases of modernity, there's just no symptoms. me by the time you have symptoms, you're way down the road and it's a long road back and check out this stat, Dylan. 60% of the people who have a deadly first heart attack, the very first symptom we've been having heart disease was their own death. It's like, it's insane. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:36 And that's why, and since heart disease is the biggest killer, you know, sudden cardiac arrest is like the biggest killer of mankind. I thought, since I've studied technical, highly technical data on my life, I decided to dive into the science to figure out how could this happen to me? And what I discovered absolutely, it just blew my mind. And I mean, the amount of corruption and the, it's just, it's just amazing. It just blew my mind. I thought, I have to share this with my brother and sister human beings, right?

Starting point is 00:05:02 So they don't run into what I did because I was lucky. I survived, right? I survived. I wrote this book. Thank you, thank me for writing a book and not bad. And then, you know, so I took the deep dive. And I think of the book is three things, actually. And thank you for, again, for it's unhulled.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Holy Trinity, subtitle, how carbs, sugar, and oils make us fat, sick, and addicted, and how to escape their grip, which is very important to know the addiction part. But there's no symptoms, and you really got to say on top of this stuff. But yeah, so the addiction part is really serious because a lot of people just, the addiction comes from the word addictus, meaning slave. It's the Latin addictus meaning slave. So we've all become slaves to these particular things, the dopamine and we need that stimulation. We all get triggered. We're watching cable TV. We see the pizza being pulled out of the, you know, with the string, you know, all that. It's so it's just pretty wild. So we get triggered all the time. And it's, you know, it's such a shame. And so that's why I want to

Starting point is 00:06:03 thank you for having me on so I can help spread some of the word of how I researched and studied this. And I'll tell you about my four comorbidities that they missed. Four. You know, how could they miss it? You know, anyway, and by the way, those, the tests are very important. I have them up on my website, Danieltreber.com. You can even buy them there. I made a deal with Quest Diagnostics. They have thousands of locations all around the country, United States only. And I'm not selling anything.

Starting point is 00:06:30 Read about them, write them down, take them to your doctor. You know, buy them there or not. It's up to you. But read them and write them down, take them to your doctor. And I was talking about this with Anthony Chafy. And you got to be careful. When you take him to the doctors, hey, Doc, I was watching Dylan Jimelli's podcast on YouTube. And I heard about these tests and I want to.

Starting point is 00:06:52 And then he might go, oh, you don't need that. You're fine. You don't need that. You don't need that. The only reason he's saying that is because he doesn't know what it is, wouldn't know how to analyze your results anyway. And the last thing doctors want to get from their patients is homework. Right. They don't want homework.

Starting point is 00:07:08 You know, and I feel for them too. You know, doctors have saved my life. So I don't want to bad mouth all of them. But they're in a system or they're working in an area that just, you know, they got to keep the, you know, 10, 15 minutes and you're out the door and you got a prescription. And, you know, they were taught in pharma-funded medical schools. And big pharma only wants them, you know, with a prescription pad in one hand, a scalpel or whatever tool there is in the other. So it's drugs and procedures and more drugs and more procedures.

Starting point is 00:07:38 So it's unfortunate that way. But, yeah, find out the task. And I was so fortunate that, you know, when I first had the heart attack, I went to Google University and YouTube University and PubMed. I found all these geniuses on the cutting edge of modern metabolic health, right? I didn't know anything about that. I thought I was just listening. I would get my nutritional information from the news, you know, one week coffee's bad. One week coffee's good.

Starting point is 00:08:03 All these different things. So I don't know. I was just confused as everybody else. And so I really took a deep dive. and all that. And I found all these studies and PubMed. I just immersed myself there. And I was fortunate. And I found this guy, his name was Dr. Ford Brewer. And he has taught and trained thousands of doctors at Johns Hopkins. So he, you know, and he's brilliant at all the testing. In fact, he wrote a book, bestseller, prevention myths, why stress tests can't predict your heart

Starting point is 00:08:35 attack and which tests do. So I got, well, I got a look at this, you know, so I was watching his videos and then I wound up reaching out to him. I said, hey, Doc, I'm writing this book and would you be interested in writing a chapter in my book that delineates what are the most important blood labs and scans that anyone can get online without even needing a doctor's prescription? That way, you yourself can find out if you've got something lurking, ready to pounce, or you're just fine, or somewhere in between that, hey, you need to pay some attention to this because, again, heart disease is our biggest killer. Heart disease and stroke. Heart disease is the biggest killer, strokes are the number one cause of permanent disability where you, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:15 you can't walk, you can't talk, sometimes you can't even communicate. I mean, I know of a person who had the stroke and he's stuck in a wheelchair, but he can't, he's stuck in that body to the rest of his life because he can't talk, he can't understand, you know, so it's, it's really something that everybody, I don't mean to scare anybody, but it's something you really got to pay attention to. And that's, that turned out to be my chapter 22, which Dr. Ford calls, don't guess, test. Yeah, so we get in that. So I'm big on testing. You know, it's funny because a lot of the people that helped you with your book or gave you compliments and their, you know, their words that you're talking about are some of the people when I found some things on my heart.

Starting point is 00:10:00 Ford Brewer was one of the first people that kept popping up about LP Little A Fax. And, Yeah. The people that you're mentioning, you know, Dr. Berg and all of these guys, they're the ones that we're talking about the obscure. And I hate to call it obscure testing because these should be the standard tests, but the APOB test, the LP little A, the particle sizes. They are obscure tests because that's how they're categorized. And if you don't know to go get those tests, you're never going to see those results and never get the real markers that you need. You're going to get the basic panels, right? Just like the basic tests.

Starting point is 00:10:32 and the stress test, like you said, doesn't tell you a whole lot. It gives you very minimal information and data. And I learned all of this through my own work. And what I'm glad that you're doing is teaching people to take control themselves. And I'm not going to badmouth any doctors. They kind of do what they're taught. So you can't really fault to them. Well, yeah, I understand really, especially what I call 24-hour heroes.

Starting point is 00:10:58 Yeah. In our ERs and our trauma units, they were setting our bones and suits. featuring up our wounds and removing bullets and steering wheels from our chest. I mean, I love all of them, you know. My older daughter, Chloe, she works in the ER. And so I talk about this stuff all the time. She sees some wild things, I'll tell you. But, yeah, so I'm familiar with all that.

Starting point is 00:11:18 So, again, I can't. It's just when they're working in a, like a hospital system or whatever, and they have bosses. And they have to do things within the confines of medical standard of care. And, you know, if you don't prescribe a cholesterol, statin and somebody's going to come down on you and that kind of thing. It just becomes part of their model and one of their, what I call now I'm supposed to. Did you see that data that just came out and it said given the new cholesterol numbers that just came out, 21 million more people now just

Starting point is 00:11:53 qualified to be put on a statin by the numbers that they changed. Did you see that? I just saw it. Yeah, I cover that. I cover that. There's a couple of studies like that. I mean, cholesterol like in 1950 was about 300. And then they lowered it to 260 or 250 and then they kept lowering it. Now it's 200 or below. And you know, the fact of it is people with high cholesterol live the longest and people with low cholesterol die much earlier and usually of some form of cancer. It's just all backwards.

Starting point is 00:12:20 It's just insane. But there are billions and billions of dollars that are made through the statins, which is their biggest cash cow. I mean, that's why I think that of, you know, carb sugar and oils, the unholy trinity. The other unholy trinity is big food, big pharma, big medicine. It's just because it's wild. You see, you know, there's a philosophy that goes, a cured patient is a lost customer. I mean, it's sad to say, but I even have, I think it's in chapter eight, I talk about Goldman Sachs. They had one of their analysts or a white paper. I forget the name of it, but it was about creating

Starting point is 00:12:54 cures is not good for the bottom line, you know, the profits, you know, because we have shareholders, right? And the example that they gave was this the big, big farmer company called Gilead Sciences, right? And they came up several years ago, came up with this blockbuster drug that 99% curate for hepatitis C. And when it first came out, it was like $13 billion or something like that. And then within a couple of years

Starting point is 00:13:20 the stock was down, I don't know, 75% and it continued its descent. So although these cures are good for the society and they even rose this in the article. They're not good for the bottom line, the shareholders. What they would rather have had them do is create a pill that the patient could take once or twice a day for the rest of their life or an infusion or an injection. That way, the profit model extends the entire lifetime of the patient.

Starting point is 00:13:50 We don't want no cures around here. It's just sticking. It really is. I don't try to get angry about anything more, but it's just the most disappointing. and disheartening thing like, you know, in existence, to do that to fellow men and women and to really essentially want them to be sick for your own benefit when there's multitudes of things that are always going to be needed that we need that you could create and make. I mean, there is always going to be disease and illness that you can help to prevent.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Instead of going into the treatment method, how about we go to the prevention way and actually help people? There you go. Prevention. That's it. That's all, but there's no money in prevention, you know? In fact, Johns Hopkins, Ford Brewer, he ran the only prevention school in the world. It was a great one.

Starting point is 00:14:38 It was a good one. He ran the whole, that's how he taught thousands of doctors. But doctors, again, they graduate and they go off into a system and they're just, you know, that's just the way it is. And then it's just, you know, you probably know this. Back in the 80s, mid to late 80s, people were stopping listening to the surgeon general and they were stopping to smoke, right? because everybody was lightened up and that kind of thing, but then they, they were listening to the dangers of cancer and all that. And so big tobacco, well, what are we going to do?

Starting point is 00:15:08 So big tobacco, they bought the big food companies. They bought Kraft, Nabisco, General Foods, Post, and so on. And they brought the addiction scientists from big tobacco over to big food. And, you know, it's like these are people who are sitting in their labs and conference rooms around the world thinking, okay, so how do you? What ingredients do we put in our products so they eat the whole bag instead of half the bag? I mean, when you and I go into a supermarket, we just assume we're safe that if any of this stuff were bad for me, it wouldn't be for sale. Yeah. Because attorneys would get involved, but it's a slow death, right?

Starting point is 00:15:45 It's a very slow death. I started to do work with the animal field now, too, because I'm a huge animal lover. And the same thing. Do you know Mars owns like 70, 80 percent of all the pet food? like all the big name brands and they do the same thing with the kibble that they put in there. And that's why the animals will not, they have such a hard time stopping because there's addictive foods in there too. And that's why.

Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. It is. That's whole speaking of addiction. Oh my God. Check this out. And when I say carbs, you know, see, my problem was, you know, I was on with Ken Berry.

Starting point is 00:16:20 And he says, hey, Daniel, so what was your dialect before you had the heart attack where you sitting on the soapy and Cheetos and Fritos and drinking Coca-Cola? I said, no, I knew enough not to do that, but my downfall, I was totally bought into the propaganda and the bullshit of heart-healthy whole grains. I didn't know that these whole grains, they turn into sugar when you ingest it. I didn't know any of that. And they've got the high fructose corn syrup, HFCS, and oh, my God. And so I, that was one of my other comorbidities. And so far as I was totally sold on that because in the morning, I have a big ball of granola, which had to have 60 or 70 grams of carbohydrates.

Starting point is 00:16:56 and then, you know, right there probably with the HFCS, high-fructose chloride syrup. And, you know, so I was getting so many carbohydrates that I became type 2 diabetic. I was amongst the 1% of the population that can be on the slim side, but still be out of control type 2 diabetic. And I didn't know, because I didn't know, they don't do these tests. See, doctors, another study out of Johns Hopkins discovered, this is shocking too, they discovered the 74% of doctors. Now, we're talking general practice seniors, family physicians,

Starting point is 00:17:29 internists, and cardiologists. 74% do not know how to properly diagnose and test for pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes. It's like, what? That's our biggest epidemic because that's the source root cause of heart attacks, strokes, eye disease, you know, cataracts and blindness, Alzheimer's. The list goes on. You know, it's just Alzheimer's now they're calling it type 3 diabetes. And so I had that and that.

Starting point is 00:17:53 the source root cause of my heart disease. And so I figured that out because I didn't know about all these grains turning into sugar in your body because, see, what doctors do is they'll test your fasting blood glucose and your fasting A1C. And there's tens of millions of people that can test normal for those two and still be type 2 diabetic. And that was me. And so they don't do this other one called the OGTT with insulin, oral glucose tolerance test with insulin. Okay. But in the book it's called the most important health test you've never had, right? And so even Dr. Brewer, his chapter 22, he goes into that. He's just over 90% of cardiovascular disease is due to faulty glucose metabolism. Your body can't digest these grains and the sugars because carbohydrates is also sugar too,

Starting point is 00:18:39 but, you know, I was stuck on the grains part. You got to get this OGTT with it. Again, on my website, go there and read about it. Why it's so important, what it does. I have diagrams and so forth. They can check it out. And again, you can write it down, take it to your doctor if you use your insurance. I think it's $80 or something like that on my website. But please, I want people to get these tests because that way you're out of mystery. Because like I said, there's no symptoms. These things creak up to, creep up on you.

Starting point is 00:19:07 And we got to be careful. Yeah. So like, I'm in the chapter right here looking in the list of breakdown. I generally get most of these tests myself, but I see some even that I'm missing. And this is a really good reference guide to people because these are really. important test to get an idea of potential plaque in your arteries and to really see if you're at risk of cardiovascular disease. And so I would definitely look into those. I get cardiac IQ panels, which are pretty comprehensive, but still missing a few of those. So. Yeah, well, no, that's important. You

Starting point is 00:19:40 had already mentioned the, you know, some of them already in our beginning of our talk. And like the, It's either called the NMR lipoprofile or the lipofraction test. I got it up on the website. I'm going black on the whole name there. But anyway, because doctor gets so hung up on LDL, LDL, they don't know that there's pattern A. And there's pattern B. Pattern A is the light, fluffy, buoyant, large, benign kind of just bounces around. The pattern B is the small, dense LDL particle that can invade the artery wall.

Starting point is 00:20:16 what happens. I mean, we eat the grains and they, because the grain makes more of the small dense LDL particles. They can invade the artery wall through a process known as cytocytocytosis. Cytosis, transcytosis, there we go. Excuse me, having a senior moment. Anyway, so then they get, then they store in this place called the Intima Media Space and then they build up that we start taking friendly fire from the immune systems with cytokines and my all kinds of wilds. stuff starts attack it and it eats it. And it creates a soft inflamed vulnerable plaque. And when that plaque ruptures through an already damaged endothelial, you know, the lining of the arteries, it spills into the lumen where the blood flows, touches blood, creates a clot, breaks off,

Starting point is 00:21:02 goes downstream, so to speak. And if it goes to your heart, you have a heart attack. If it goes to your brain, you have a stroke. It's just, that's why it's just so dangerous. And the grains are behind a lot of that. And let me go back a little bit because I didn't finish that thought about the addiction part. See, back in chapter 10, I have this chapter that's called Are You a Wheat Addict? And the reason for that is, I have a lot of graphs and pictures and images

Starting point is 00:21:24 and that kind of thing. I want to give it an easier time for the reader to get through it. And I have a picture of a guy. Well, it's his skull. He's 100,000 years old, right? And he's got perfect teeth. And the anthropologist and bioarchologist, this study had said, you know, he was just in great shape and all that.

Starting point is 00:21:40 And then when they started exhuming bodies after that, going towards the present, they started finding all these new diseases, missing teeth, cavities, men shrunk five inches, women shrunk three inches. It was just a disaster. And that was only about nine or ten thousand years ago, which is the dawn of agricultural society when we went from hunter gatherers to more growing our own crops or the green grains as, you know, we're talking about here, and having some of their own animals, raising the pigs and the chickens and that kind of thing. And so what happened? Let me get to this. In the late 60s, early 70s, big ag came up with this.

Starting point is 00:22:18 They wanted to get more out of their crops. How do we get a more bountiful crop? So they had these two processes. One was chemical mutagenesis, and the other was radiation mutagenesis. What does that do? That amps off this chemical called gliding, G-L-I-A-D-N, Gleodin. And what does that do? That attaches to the opiate receptors of the brain.

Starting point is 00:22:37 The same opioid receptors as morphine and heroin. I mean, it doesn't get you higher relief pain, but its expression is to make you crave. more of the things that have wheat in them, like the bread, pasta, cereal, waffles, pancakes, chips, pretzels, rolls, pizza, tortillas, and on and on that way. And check out this stat, Dylan.

Starting point is 00:22:56 This is just, when big food found out about this, they started putting it everything. Yeah. The average supermarket has 60,000 products, right? 59,000 have wheat or some form of wheat. It's like, what? I mean, they are really coming after our opia receptors. Let me just put it that way.

Starting point is 00:23:16 Next time you're near the candy, I'll go down there. Twizzlers, the candy, second ingredient, wheat. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You know, I want to make a point, too, to people when we talk about some of these things because we're not on here. We're a couple guys that have gone through this. I never was a Mr. Oh, I'm going to start calling everybody out and try to get clicks and try to scare everybody

Starting point is 00:23:39 and tell them that, you know, this is so bad and everybody that does this is so bad. I went through it and you went through it. I had to dig to find that I needed to get the tests I did. I was the one that said I want to LP Little A test. My doctor said, oh, well, we can, but you're going to test that once, and it's not going to go down and you're just kind of stuck with it, which I didn't accept. I got the test, had a, like I told you, a terribly high score and went to Mayo Clinic, where they told me that, oh, I'd be fine if I took statins and trying to treat the LP Little A

Starting point is 00:24:10 with what I wanted, which was Rapatha, Bacepa, and some natural. methods, that that was going to be bad practice and just take the statin, which actually increases the LP little A, mind you. And I was able to. But I was able to get that number of 330, which I supposedly was stuck with down into the 90s still going down with my bad practice and also improve my other numbers drastically. And they had drained my LDL down to 30 something like I told you. And I got scared.

Starting point is 00:24:40 And, you know, I was going through this fear of fat phase for my, my first. 15 years. And so I started to switch dietary methods. And, you know, before you know it, every single marker is like, wow, improve HDL from 40s into 80s. All my particle size is improving. Everything improving. No statin. Now I do have some, some medications, but a lot of natural stuff, too, and methods. And the medications I take, they don't want to write you scripts for I had to go through hell to get approved for some of these. Like, I'm not going to stay on air what I had to do. You can tell me later. I'll tell you later.

Starting point is 00:25:15 But I had some good doctors that were very aware of the need for Rapatha, for Vesipa, to help with what I needed and not put me on the standard bullshit. So I just want to make the point that when you and I talk or when I talk, I come from a place of I'm just going to tell you what it is, period. I don't care what side of the fence you're on. I don't care about standing firm and going hard one way or the other. I don't give a shit about any of that. I care about facts and truth.

Starting point is 00:25:40 That's all I care about. And I know that's all you care about. So we're speaking from that realm, not picking sides and being so strong one way or another. That's not what I do or have people come on to do. No, you do the research. It's just like what I did. See, I, let me tell you about what I needed to have as a backup. See, I'm not a doctor.

Starting point is 00:26:01 I don't see patients. I'm not a clinician so I can learn pattern recognition and all that. My book has more scientific citations and references than any other health and wealth's book in existence. You know, most folks don't have 100, 200, 300, maybe. And that's good because whatever the author is stating, they put a little number there. And then you can, you know, that that's a study that you can, that has verified what he just stated.

Starting point is 00:26:24 Mine has 1,227. And that was an extra 200 hours right there. But I knew I needed that backup because I know that we're going to be people to say, oh, he's not a doctor. Why should I listen to him? And I say, look, don't. None of this is my opinion. None of this is Daniel's opinion.

Starting point is 00:26:38 And this is research, only the best test, the RCTs, randomized control trials, and I made sure I didn't pay any attention that had funding from big food, big pharma, big medicine, or big ag. You know, so it's really honest research and you can depend on it. And so I understand how, you know, I know I needed to have that backup. And but, you know, you can't negate the study that you've learned and how, I mean, even though it's what's called an N of 1, if you're getting better, I mean, you know, I first found keto and I got amazing results. And then the more plants I removed from my diet, you know, the better I felt, number one,

Starting point is 00:27:14 number two, my better my labs looked. What more can you ask for, right? So I wound up at carnivore, basically, which is, and there's a misunderstanding. I need to clarify this. A lot of people think carnivore is just you only eat meat. No, carnivore is animal products only, like eggs, beef, butter, salmon, you know, that kind of thing. the lion diet is the meat only because lions don't eat eggs or fish, right?

Starting point is 00:27:38 I mean, so that's the lion diet. So the carnivore is just that. And I do have an occasional, you know, some berries, that kind of thing, because it's just, that's what we did naturally. In fact, I was being called out on that with one of these guys. I won't mention the YouTuber, but they said, Daniel, we eaten those berries for us? I said, well, first of all, it's not a cup of berries. But I said, look, when you and I were out hunting 3,000 or 13,000 years ago, and we came across some berries that had just come back into season for just a short time,

Starting point is 00:28:09 my guy, we'd tell Uncle Throg McGog, and he'd tell the tribe, and we'd all go enjoy some berries. I mean, you know, I mean, we didn't think, oh, we're carnivore. We're not allowed to do that. Our A1C is good. We didn't have any of those thoughts. We just look, life was already brutal enough, right? And if we could enjoy some berries for a little while. So, you know, my chapter 22 is maximizing gut health.

Starting point is 00:28:29 I cover this Elroyd-Roy yogurt and how to make it and what the ingredients are and all that. And it's amazing what it does for your, everything from your skin and your, just everything. It's what it does for your stomach is amazing. So, yeah. You know, and I add some berries in there. So, you know, just to kind of, because I'm not crazy about the taste, but it's so good for your, your gut lining and all like that. So like, you know, but it's, it really does wonders for your skin. And I should announce to you in your audience that I'm probably the youngest,

Starting point is 00:28:58 78 year old, you're going to meet all day today. And, you know, I don't mean to brag about that, but just, you know, on my website, you can check out my body shots. And I'm sure most people are going to say, there's no way that guy is in the 70s. And if anything, what I want to do is, see, there's so many people that I've run into that have kind of given up already. I don't want them to give up. I want, if I can inspire people to go, look, if I was able to go through all this nonsense,

Starting point is 00:29:24 and you haven't ever heard the other two comorbidity shit, You can too. Get it together. You've got to take control and get control of your addictions. And what do you advise people that say, look, make your list, if you want to, of the things that you can't live without, right? And just pick the top two. And your job then is to find healthy but delicious substitutes that you can substitute

Starting point is 00:29:48 to that for you. And these days, YouTube is a treasure trove of keto, low-carb, recipes, that kind of thing that won't stimulate your blood glucose because that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. We never had high glucose levels even a couple of hundred years ago. That's why the value of the CGM, as you know, see that people have to understand the two most important players in the processing of the food that you put in your mouth. That's glucose, also known as blood sugar, and insulin. You eat something and your glucose goes up. The pancreas senses that and your insulin rises in order to bring it down, keep it in a safe range and that kind of thing. And that's a normal process that goes out on through life.

Starting point is 00:30:27 But when we start eating foods that are not meant for human consumption, like the sad, standard American diet, or too frequently, or both, your glucose is up, your insulin is up hour after hour, day after day, within a couple of weeks. You've got hyperinsulinemia, hyper too much insulin. Emia means in the blood. I know you know that, but hyperinsulinia and which then turns into insulin resistance. Mm-hmm. where the cells come to reject or resist the glucose and the insulin because of the overload.

Starting point is 00:31:00 There's just way too much. And then, sure, not long after that in the coming months, years or so, you're going to turn on pre-diabetes and type two diabetes. And again, that's the first thing that you want to avoid. In fact, that's the first graphic I have in my book in Chapter 1, where it has hyperinsulinemia insulin resistance in the center. And then arrows out to all this PCOS, you know, polycystic. ovarian system, cataracts and blindness, Alzheimer's, obesity, heart attack, strokes, and all that kind of thing. So it really is because what happens is, and I've labeled it the gateway disease because that's where it all starts because it's just very not evolutionarily

Starting point is 00:31:37 consistent with how we've evolved over all these many, many millennia, right? Yeah. And so, you know, you really got to pay attention that some people really need. I mean, I tried it for a I say, let me test this out to see what this is like. So I got a CGM, this and a few of your audience, continuous glucose monitor. I know you know what it is. We're on the back of your arm or somewhere in your midsection. And you connect it to your smartphone.

Starting point is 00:32:00 And that way you can see what foods are picking my, you know, my sugar way up. And which ones are where I'm getting steady. And so that way you really learn or either do that or get the finger bricks. You know, you got to do the blood test, which is only like a 20 buck kid at the, at the drugstore. The CGM is the real key here because, you know, diet, like a lot of things, and I have been a nutritionist now for 20 some odd years. I started to study food when I was 11, unfortunately, as you know, in the 90s we were taught all wrong, but that's when I started studying, even though it was asked backwards. But what I have found and what most know is that one size fits

Starting point is 00:32:39 none. So I'm certainly of the ilk that we've got to be very careful about too high of carbs and, you know, overeating fats. Some people go so insane one way or the other that there's no balance and you're not factoring in what kind of activity level somebody has, what kind of conditions they have, how their body responds to needs and necessities of certain nutrients. And so it gets so polarizing and so difficult that people, just like you said, you have some berries. And then somebody wants to throw a stone at you or whatever. Who cares? I mean, who cares? Ultimately, like, you eat whatever the hell you want, what works for you. It's really a control factor. And then it's also, there's ways to blunt spikes, just like you were talking about. And the dad is so

Starting point is 00:33:24 important, you know, I got to the, I went from one extreme to the other, Daniel, where it was like, okay, I'm so terrified of fats that I just won't eat any. And then it became, okay, I know how bad I need these and I love them, but now I'm eating too much. And I just completely eliminated cars. But the problem for me is I'm training so heavily when I eliminate carbs. It's bad. Like it's really, really bad if I go too low because then I start having heart rhythm problems. I'm stripping electrolytes to the point where because, you know, when you go carb, you really lose a lot of water and it strips out electrolytes if you're not really replenishing.

Starting point is 00:33:59 And I train excessively. And so I've had to balance. And I know how to blunt the glucose spike. So when I have a carb, I also always pair it with protein and fats in the same meal to where it counter affects. And I've tested it. So I know, okay, this is not hurting me, but it's certainly affecting me because now I'm not having these problems. But people don't get the data. They just assume and then they talk shit and get angry.

Starting point is 00:34:26 See, what I like about you is you just explain. And there's no anger. There's no nothing. It's just here's what I know. And here's what I've been through. And that's what I try to do. I always tell people, the angry teacher. is not someone you should listen to.

Starting point is 00:34:38 You know, like if somebody's getting angry when you ask him a question or if you have a differentiating opinion, run. You know, just run. Yeah, no, it's, you know, there's always solutions to things. And yeah, when you are working out and you know this because you've trained so many athletes and bodybuilders and so forth and you've done so much of that yourself, you know, another way to lower your glucose after you eat is just take a stroll for five or ten minutes. I don't mean run. I just take a stroll for five or ten leisurely stroll or

Starting point is 00:35:10 walk five or ten minutes and it brings it down or keeps it, you know, that kind of thing. So, always. But yeah, still try to avoid the waffles, though. I wish I could eat those. You know what I would like to go. So your book is how carbs, sugar and oil. So I want to go down the line here and take subsets of these because I think some people may look at that and say, does that mean I can't ever ever have anything that's carbohydrate, any sugar or any oil whatsoever? Or is it specific ones? Or what is your thought process on each one and what you've gone through? So I would love to go down because people love to mix words and take things out of context. And I'd like to get your version of what that means on each subsect there. So let's start with carbs and work our way in.

Starting point is 00:35:57 Well, carbs is basically, you know, you have to know which ones have more than others. Like when I found out, like, for example, we're just talking about fruit. Berries are the lowest glycemic and the low lectin, lowest lectins, right? It broke my heart when I found out that, you know, what is it? Pineapple and watermelon. It's like over 100. It's like, that was my two favorites, right? And so, look, you have to do it.

Starting point is 00:36:23 If you're going to do it, you got to take that walk or you got to combine it with something else. but there are tricks. But, you know, you just have to get the knowledge. And then you have to decide, okay, look, I just had my blood labs and this is off. I need to fix this. And you got to say to yourself, who's in control here? Me or my taste buds, right? And so it can be hard sometimes because, you know, we have, most of us have become a lot of us,

Starting point is 00:36:46 like I was just like everybody else, become a slave to certain foods. Again, addiction comes from the Latin addictus, meaning slave. And so we have to know which foods are really going to do that to us and get healthy substitutes for them. So the carbohydrates is, I look at that as mostly the grains because we really got to stay away from because, and especially these days, oh my God, in the last 20, 30, 40 years, big ag, they're spraying everything on them. The glyphosate and they get the myotoxins and the herbicides, pesticides, fungicides. And then the animals that we eat sometimes, if we don't get 100% grass fed, we're, we're. getting that in there too because there's you know they have these things called kaphos C-A-F-O concentrated animal farming operations where they have let's say this poor cow is in this

Starting point is 00:37:34 little stall we can't even turn around and he eats there and chits there and spends his whole life there yeah and they're sedated with these psych drugs and you know and it's just awful so you got to remember that you got to be careful so a lot of these grains it's going into the animals you got to be careful of the grains. That's the biggest thing. When I went, when I eliminated wheat and grains from my diet years ago, about four years ago, oh my God, my HDL ran up into the 90s, my triglycerides were down in the 30s, which is like, you know, incredible. It's like, like Superman levels. So yeah, you really got to be careful of that with the grains. That's what I mean. Yeah, give me some examples of grains that you're talking about for people so that they're aware. Well, you ever heard of wheat?

Starting point is 00:38:21 Yeah. Well, dig this. Most people don't know this either. It blew my mind when I found out. Wheat raises your blood sugar higher than a Snickers candy bar. It's like, you know, and people are paying attention to it because these days they are. I see some cable TV ads and they're all talking about the blood sugar and the CGM and to get a Dexcom G7 or whatever it's called and paying attention to their blood glucose, which is good. I like that.

Starting point is 00:38:50 But you got to remember that. one thing. We, what's wheat in? It's in all the way, you know, the bread, the pasta, the cereals, and that was the old pyramid, you know, thankfully they turned it upside down. It's not perfect yet, but still they got, you know, meat and everything like there. And we all bought into the low fat thing. That was we can blame Ansel Keys for that in the, in the 50s. You know about him, right? Too well to the point where I just, I don't wish anything bad upon anybody, but I'd love to go back in time and just beat the shit out of him just for what he did. And I don't, I don't, I

Starting point is 00:39:21 You don't like to say that, but I do. No, no, no, listen, it's understandable. It's like to cover him in my first chapter because in the first couple of chapters I'd like to tell, show people, how did we get here? Yeah. How do we get here? I mean, I think of the book as three things. One, it's a how to book and how I reverse the four comorbidities. Number two, it's an expose on big food, big pharma, big medicine.

Starting point is 00:39:43 And number three, I think of it as a data evaluation and data analysis of this. In 1930, the obesity rate was 1% in the United States. now approaching 50% under a mere 100 years. Crazy. Never in human history has a population gotten so fat and so sick, so fast. You've got to say what in the hell is happening. When you pull the strings and you do the analysis, you find out that it's the introduction in the 20th century of the carb, sugar, and seed oils in the amounts and concentrations we've

Starting point is 00:40:13 never seen. It's just we've never, especially in the last half of the 20th century. I mean, you know, sugar's been around a long time. I mean, it was invented in India. I found a reference. It was mentioned in this religious text called the Atharva Veda. And that goes back 1,500 years, something like that, BC. So that's like, what, 3,500 years?

Starting point is 00:40:34 And then it came, but it was never like, Hershey's in 1900 came up with their very first candy bar. I thought, what a way to start a century. And then there was Tutsi Roll and O'Henry and all they started coming on like that. And the seed oils, oh my God, they weren't even in existence, these vegetable oils until. 1865 when they had cotton seed oil from cotton seed farming. And then they started using the other seeds of different vegetables, too.

Starting point is 00:40:58 And they were considered a toxic waste. And they were used as machinery lubricant in the industrial revolution of the late 1800s or 1900s. Yes. Yeah, machinery lubricant in Motorola. And then these two guys from Europe came over to Ohio and entrepreneurs. And they looked at a bucket of it, and it resembled lard, which is what people used to cook. with, right? Which is fine. And they got the bright idea. They say, hey, why don't we bottle it and sell it to people, make some money, right? So they made this product called, this is William

Starting point is 00:41:30 Proctor and James Gamble, Procter and Gamble, right? So they came up with this product, that product called Crisco, and it started flying off the shelves in 1911. And wouldn't you know, in 1912, the very first medically recorded heart attack took place. What a quinky thing, right? And then heart disease and, you know, cancer wasn't even like a thing, as they say, until the 30s. And they became the biggest killers by the 40s. And that continues to this day, heart attacks and cancer, that kind of thing, heart disease and cancer. But, yeah, so it's just piling on with all that stuff. It's just amazing why.

Starting point is 00:42:06 And so that's your sugar and all that is included in the carbohydrates because sugar is a is a is a carbohydrate. And there's, you know, there's a study that, you know, was. Back, way back, I can't remember. It was like in 1980s where these two Harvard professors and researchers that were paid off to point the finger at fat rather than, oh, it's not the sugar that's causing the heart disease and this and that because I don't know if you know this, but in the 50s, you know, heart disease was a big deal. And Eisenhower in 195, he had a heart attack and it was a big deal. And a lot of people were dropping in the prime of their lives. What's going on here? And there was this joker that, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:46 your favorite guy, Ansel Keys, he came along and he had this theory that was called the Diet Heart Hypothesis. And he said it was the meat and the butter and the cheese. It was clogging up the arteries and that was the cause of it and that kind of thing. And he gave this analogy that, well, it's kind of like a shower drain where you get the hair and the grease and the gook and it clogs out of it. And people bought into that imagery. And everybody and then, you know, big food started coming out with low fat, non-fat, this and that. And oh my God, you know, within 10, you know, so the stats kept. going up on that on the low fat because to take the fat out of food, it doesn't taste so good.

Starting point is 00:43:21 So you got to add in carbs and sugar to make it palatable, right? And so what they found years later, they found this thing, they discovered this thing called electron microscopy. And what that does, that's where you can snake these teeny tiny cameras up into the veins and do an angiogram and see what's going on. And they discovered this thing called the glycochalics. What is that? The glycocalyx is this fuzz-like lining of the artery wall.

Starting point is 00:43:46 that acts as the first line of protection against what's called the small, dense LDL particles that we, when I talked about a little earlier, from invading the artery walls. And it just smoking destroys that. That's what they discovered. The smoking destroys the glycopalics. And then years later, they found that a worst destroyer of the glycopalics is these process, ultra-processed refined grains and sugars. So we substituted one destroyer of the glycolyx with another one. And so that's why heart attacks and heart disease remains and continues to this day.

Starting point is 00:44:20 Yeah. Because we're just putting it in there. And people don't know it. There's no education on any of this. That's why I found it my mission like you to warn people, at least don't be like me. And, you know, skip the heart attack or death because 60% of the people who have a deadly first heart attack, they don't have any symptoms, right? So, you know, and your doctor doesn't know any of this. They're not, don't hold it against them.

Starting point is 00:44:45 It's just that they're not taught this in their pharma-funded medical school that they attended. Yeah, they don't look at everything and they just kind of give you the golden pass where you think everything's okay. And you have to be willing and educated to take the time to go look into it yourself, unless you have like a really strong doctor, like a holistic doctor or somebody that, you're going to pay a lot for that. But look what you get. I mean, you get real care. It's kind of like going to a big university or a private one. when you're in a room of 500 people, it's a little bit more hard to learn, you know? And when you're in a private one, you're getting that real condensed, as long as that's a good

Starting point is 00:45:21 school, that condensed learning where they're kind of more hands on, know who you are, and you get taught in a different manner. This is your pain to get looked after. And if you're not, if you don't have the money or don't want to do that, do it on your own. I mean, at least learn and go do the test yourself like you were talking about and get the numbers you need and then take them to somebody that can help you. but there's so much data, like, literally at our fingertips if we just know what to get and then how to read it. But the other problem there is the reference ranges, because what they say is average is not optimal.

Starting point is 00:45:54 That is average based upon how screwed up everybody is right now. So don't take an average. I have this problem with hormones, Daniel, when I talk to people about hormonal balance. I'm saying that is maybe average, but that is certainly not optimal in any way. You're so right. You're so right with all that. It's just so, again, there's no, there's no education. Now, you said you were a dietitian. Did you go through the certification and all that? Yeah. Wow. That's amazing. I have studied that for a long time. And now I, right now I went through cellular courses at Harvard night school and then neuroscience stuff. And then I've studied alongside cardiologists, you know, like Dr. Obadia, but others, around the world that are more open-minded. They see things from both sides of the equation. I talk to both sides of people that are more holistic and then more conventional.

Starting point is 00:46:51 And what I like to do, Daniel, is blend. I like to blend my diet. I like to blend my learning that is taking both sides of the fence, piecing what works and what doesn't. Now, oftentimes I find that it's a lot better to go non-conventional and use that more for sure. That's what I always come up with. But there are times and ways and means that we do need or do work.

Starting point is 00:47:14 They're just misused and they're abused and they just want to shove shit down your throat and they take it from where it's going to be beneficial to we'll just want to wreck you. And that's my problem. You know, it's I don't like to just always come out and go, no, no, no, it's this, it's this, it's this. I don't find that helpful. But what I do find is that we need to understand that we have been misled. That is a reality. and people need to stop thinking everything's a conspiracy and listen and learn.

Starting point is 00:47:42 And that's why it's important that you teach what you have because you teach from real experience and you're honest and open about what's happened to you. It doesn't mean that it's identical for everybody, but I can tell you this, everything you said about eating processed foods and all of these additives and everything, that's going to hurt everybody. No one's going to be immune to that. I can guarantee everybody that that's going to be a problem. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but what else can we think when we look down through history?

Starting point is 00:48:09 It's like when you get human beings next to money, it's just to either look the other way or something, you know, their bounds of ethics gets a little short. And so it's just, it's really difficult. But you must know about Lena Cooper, right? Lena Cooper, you ever heard of her? Yeah. She was the founder of or the co-founder of the American Dietitian Association back in, what, 1907 or something. And she was a protege of John Harvey Kellogg, who is a vegetarian. And he, you know, Kellogg, cereal and all like that.

Starting point is 00:48:43 And so he was the king of the Kellogg's and all like that. And she's the one that came up with, what is it? Breakfast is the most important meal of the day. And all it was was a marketing, it was a marketing slogan. And then people started saying, hey, got to eat your guy. Hey, we got our cereals. Here's our Kellogg's. You know, so you get your fruit loops.

Starting point is 00:49:03 or your cheerios and its most important meal of the day. It's, oh, my God, it's just so sad. I was putting some thoughts together for videos that I was going to do and I was going to take the most bogus claims that were ever made that were like, you know, things like the best part of waking up as folders in your cup and taking this and putting them together and making videos and going back in time and showing how ridiculous things were just like what you just said. You know, Lena Cooper.

Starting point is 00:49:32 Oh, man. and calling out the people like her that made the claims, you know, and just showing how we get tricked into things. And you know what else I was telling somebody the other day? I said, you know, it's like those drug commercials. And I took Jardians like I told you before. And they have those nice little songs that go along with them. And they trick your mind into avoiding the fact that when they start running down

Starting point is 00:49:53 all the potential side effects after the song stops. But your mind is still running through that song being annoying or catchy that you don't miss the part. And if you die, you can see. sue us. You know, it's like, no, no, no. Yeah, you missed the whole thing. You know, part of the happy part is like, where grandpa's shooting hoops with the kids. Yeah. You know, and he's all habits, and they're saying, if you take this too much, you're going to die. Yeah. And then you can sue us after you're dead. Oh my God. It's wild. It's wild. You know, it's, you know, in, I have a whole chapter on statins, speaking of statins. There's a lot of studies in there, but there's this one I should

Starting point is 00:50:30 tell you about. I got this from Dr. Robert Lustig, and there was a study where big study, 92,135 patients. See, patients want to know if I take a statin every day for the rest of my life, how much longer will I live? So the researchers thought, yeah, let's check that out. So they dove deep and they came up with, and again, it's 92,135 patients. And they found that those taking statins for primary prevention, in other words, no heart attack yet. They're only taking a statin because their doctor has some goofy, outdated, unscientific ideas about LDL and all that. And he's fearmongered you and you're doing that. And they lived, the people taking it for primary prevention lived a big three days longer

Starting point is 00:51:12 than the other group not taking a statin. And the group taking a statin for secondary prevention, in other words, they already had a heart, heart attack. They lived a big four days long. So I asked by readers in the book, look, you still want to put up with all the side effects because there's so many bad side effects. besides the aches and pains. I mean, some people, you know, most of it is, and it's even on the black label warning, as they say, is memory loss, you lose 20 or 30 IQ points.

Starting point is 00:51:39 It's just, oh, my God, that's what they call it statin stupid. So, you know, really you want to stay away from that. But, you know, I say, look, if I'm getting the choice here, here's three days of my life. Go away. I'm not taking that, right? Yeah. So you got to put it in perspective once you know all the data. I mean, you still want to do a diet that's going to not cause a flame plaque, the vulnerable plaque.

Starting point is 00:52:03 Can I ask you one more food question about carbs before we go into, I want to get into the seed oil stuff with you. I think it's a very pertinent discussion. I see a lot of arguing and a polarizing discussion when it comes to oats. And I have thoughts both ways. I think a lot of it comes down to what kind, what are you putting in there? what, because you get this dad and it's like, yeah, but what kind were they eating when, how? I'm wondering your thoughts on oats in general. Well, oats is another grain.

Starting point is 00:52:33 And again, it's going to make your blood sugar get high, you know, probably like a candy bar. And the whole idea is like you made it so, it's so important, like you pointed out earlier, to wear a CGM or do some fingerpricks and keep an eye on the blood sugar. Because that's the source root cause of all of our ailments in modern days. we never had this amount of blood sugar spikes all day long. Three meals a day was never a thing. I mean, it's like we were lucky to eat once a day. I know.

Starting point is 00:53:03 Life was tough. And if we could eat once a day, I mean, even in ancient Rome, like, you know, they had one meal a day, usually around 2 o'clock, one big meal and everybody get together and that kind of thing. So there was never three meals a day. I think it started in the Industrial Revolution where the workers would go off very early and they'd bring a bag and they'd ring a bell. and they'd have lunch and then afterwards they'd eat and that kind of thing.

Starting point is 00:53:27 And that's where the three meals a day, but three meals a day was never a thing. So that's why I find it very important to have a chapter on intermittent fasting and how to do that and what that's all about. Because again, it's very natural to go. I usually do 16, 17, 18 hours a day and you feel great. And that's why I recommend if you really want to get cut, I mean, you've got to check out my chapter nine about fasting in a exercise in a fasted seat. I mean, that's how the Wolverine, what's his name, Hugh Jackman, that's how he get totally ripped because, you know, exercising in a fasted state is kind of a Hollywood secret to the Hollywood trainers for a long time. And that's how he got like so ripped in that Wolverine movie. He did the 16 hour and there's so many benefits from it.

Starting point is 00:54:11 They did there. There was other studies. I think I have one in there where they had two groups. One group did fast at exercise. The other one group did fed exercise and they followed them for a period of time. And the group in the facet exercise lost 300% more fat mass than the other group. That's huge. That's huge.

Starting point is 00:54:31 I always work out in the fasted say. So that's one thing there. So the oats, you know, it's basically you just want to think of all the grains. Just put them aside because especially with big ag, they just want to keep spraying that stuff. And it's just a shame because it gets into the food supply so easily because most people are, you know, like I It gave you that stat. Out of the 60,000 products at an average supermarket, 59,000 contain wheat. And there's just so much poison in these mycotoxins.

Starting point is 00:55:00 And we already live in a toxic soup of a world with the microplastics and glyphosate and the chemtrails and, you know, household products. So we really got, we already have to. When I look at it is there's only so much you can do, right? So you do all the major things. And you find out what household products are less harmful than the other. others, which is less harmful than this. So you want to keep a very strong immune system. That way, you know, you have really a good protection against anything that might come your way. And it's not going to be perfect, but we got to do our best. What are we going to do? You know, it's just,

Starting point is 00:55:37 it's all out there. So that's that. And then, you know, my seed oils, see, they're so deadly because, again, I have chapter six, the shocking truth about vegetable oils. They have these chemicals called the one's TBHQ and the other one's H&E for hydroxynonanol and aldehydes like in cigarettes and you know, Nhexane and these get into your body and especially if you heat them and they're neurodegenerative carcinogenic and seven to ten times more likely to cause heart disease. It's just a disaster. You really want to stay away from them. So that I took a deep dive in there and that's why I got some great help and endorsements from Nina Tyscholtz, who I don't know if you know her. She wrote the classic, the big fat surprise came out in 2014.

Starting point is 00:56:22 It's still flying off the shelves. And she was the one that brought the attention to all of these vegetable oils. And then there's Kate Shanahan. And her research showed that one French fry from like McDonald's or any of those places, it's like equivalent to one cigarette, the toxins. That's wild, man. Oh, my God, you know. And then there's Chris Canobi, Dr. Chris Canobi.

Starting point is 00:56:44 He wrote amazing. He had a lot of studies in the seed oil. oils. And yeah, so I actually had them contribute some of their graphs and their studies and I put them in that chapter six. So big hugs to all them. And I'm really honored and privileged and humbled that they would do that because, again, this is not a praise Daniel Trevor session. It's just, look, I want people to get the information because I didn't have it. Nobody gets it. They don't get in school. Their parents don't know. Yeah. And then I had one of my friends say to me, well, don't they have mirrors at home? They can't see what they? I said, yeah, they have their mirrors.

Starting point is 00:57:17 You got to give them a break, though, because when they go to the grocery store, everybody else looks like them. So this must be normal, right? It's like, oh, my God. So anyway, I see, did Dr. Chris write anything in your book? Yeah, in chapter six, he's got a couple of charts there that I've got in chapter six. It's called. Shocking truth about vegetable oils. I gave him credit and Kate Shanahan and Nina Tysholtz.

Starting point is 00:57:43 Yeah, because I actually talked to Chris this morning. He's a friend of mine, too. out of town. Really? Yeah. Yeah. No, I talked to Chris a couple times a month at least. Yeah, definitely.

Starting point is 00:57:55 I'll tell him. Man, you got to give him big hug for me. Yeah, I actually will be talking to him later this evening, so I'll let him know because I didn't know you knew him. So I'll tell him tonight when I'm talking to him. Yeah, yeah. He was a big help, you know, in that chapter six when you get to it, you'll see. So I was really fortunate to, because when I finished the book, I didn't know if I had anything good. I thought I did.

Starting point is 00:58:17 especially if I got this guy Ford Brewer, right? And so I was looking at other health and wellness books. I said, oh, we got to get some endorsements, you know. So I started reaching out to these heavy hitters. And I went, oh, my God, it was like, what? Dr. Philip O'Vadia, done 3,300 heart surgeries. I got Mark Hyman. I even have the winner of the Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of nitric oxide.

Starting point is 00:58:41 I'm going, what? This is just little Daniel Trevor. I'm just a lower class tree kid from Philly. You know, Dr. Ovedia, when I was in the hospital and I had like a small event and he reached out to me, didn't know me, didn't know me at all and gave me support. And I've been friends with him ever since, man. Like he is such a good man and very intelligent and he is widely versed, as you know, on many different aspects of not just heart and heart surgery, but diet and dietary needs for the heart. and he's got great insight and he's got a nice different set of viewpoints that are I find to be highly beneficial and he just he's a good man he's just a damn good man you know I'll never forget

Starting point is 00:59:22 him reaching out to me and not knowing me at all and he's been he'll always be a good friend to me for that I'll never forget that well that's amazing that's amazing yeah he's he's wonderful he's just wonderful yeah he's he's a wealth of info I I want to ask about the oils now we know seed oils and And that's a whole other topic for a different, we could do a whole podcast on that. But how do you feel about olive oil or any other oils? Do you find all oils bad or do you have like, are there any you recommend? No, no, no. There's what Kate Shanahan calls to hateful eight.

Starting point is 00:59:54 The worst one is soybean oil. Yeah. Which is all the mayos, all the mayonnaisees and all the, you know, the salad dressings and everything. You know, there's safflower, sunflower, and all that kind of thing. And I have them all. There's hateful aid. But no, if you want to use some olive oil, some avocado oil. oil or coconut oil, that kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:00:13 Those are fine. I still wouldn't do them in abundance, but, you know, those are, those are three that you could be safe with. But you want to make sure you have real olive oil, authentic. When I say that is there are some criminals out there, these companies, they'll fill the bottle like 25% with olive oil and then to fill the rest of it with some bullshit like soybean oil or, you know, a mixture. And then they'll sell it.

Starting point is 01:00:36 So make sure you're not, you're buying something that's, you know, not cheap. You don't want any of that. You want to be really make sure you've, you're getting the real deal there. Yeah, I always. That's one caution. And then the other thing is just that those, when you heat them up,

Starting point is 01:00:50 these other bad seed oils, soybean, safflower, sunflower, canola and so forth. It's just, it's a nightmare. They turn into all these chemicals that we talk about. Yeah. I cook a lot now in grass-fed butter and,

Starting point is 01:01:03 you know, I do use some olive oil, but I drizzle. I don't even cooking it. I just kind of drizzle it over the top of eggs or avococon. and, you know, grass-fed meats and things. It's a nice little finisher, but I don't even really cook with it at all, to be honest with you.

Starting point is 01:01:17 You know, I've found the anger that I have of all the years. I missed cooking and butter and eating some of these foods. And I'm not saying go eat a pound or stick of butter, but there, you know, it has a good amount of benefit that I, you know, have a lot of science and data on. But people, you say that and they just freak out, you know, and it's like, listen, I'm not saying eat a stick of butter every day, but what I am saying is there's a lot of benefit there. And it's like anything else. You eat the moderation and the amount you need per day. And people freak out about everything, whether it's carbs, whether it's fruit, whether it's too

Starting point is 01:01:51 much protein, whether it's too much fat. I mean, people just like to argue for the reason of argument. And it's balance, right? Life is about balance. And also, yeah, you got to remember that I read about this in chapter three, we are built for a higher protein and fat, low carbons. Diet. See, anthropologists and bioarchologists have told us that our diet consisted of for 2.6 to 4.5 million years of what we could catch, kill, and eat nose to tail, right? And so it was always higher fat. And what we might pick off a tree or a vine, that kind of thing, but only when those berries

Starting point is 01:02:29 were in season, right? So it was higher protein and fat, lower carbohydrate diet. And people are still freaking out about the fat. Oh, my doctor says you got to eat. It's cause it we thank Ensel Keys for that. And then, you know, it winds up in the medical curriculum of the medical schools. And the doctors learn that. And it's a total bunch of bullshit.

Starting point is 01:02:49 And all the doctors that you and I know and pay attention do, at least they're up to speed and they know. And, oh, my God, I have it right here. There was this research report from clinical cardiology. And it states, and I don't like to read things, but this might help this mismatch between our ancient physiology and the Western diet. and lifestyle underlies many of the so-called diseases of civilization, including coronary heart disease, obesity, hypertension, type two diabetes, epithelial cell cancers, autoimmune disease, and osteoporosis, which are rare or virtually absent in hunter-gatherer and other non-westernized populations.

Starting point is 01:03:29 It's like, oh my God, you know, it says it right there because, yeah, it's just, I think the rules of the planet, I mean, that's the only, you know, the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab and all those guys. I think they think of us as like an ant farm. Yeah. You brought up a really good point earlier, and it's like, we are what we eat. And I really, I didn't expound upon it, but your point about when the animals are eating grains and soy and all of this crap that they feed them, that is part of the problem that misconstrues eating some of these things because you are eating what they're eating. And so, you know, you're finding something, a study or whatever,

Starting point is 01:04:10 my first question is, what were they being fed and what kind of environment were they in? Because stressful animals and things of that nature are all so bad for us, right? And so that got a lot of times that gets overlooked or not mentioned conveniently. My God, yeah, I cover that in regenerative farming. Mm-hmm. In chapter 12 is eat meat and help the planet. Yep. And a lot of people on the other side are going, eat meat and how can you help the planet?

Starting point is 01:04:36 You got cow farts and they're making the greenhouse gases. It's like, so I debunk all of that. And in fact, I even go into, I ask, why is it that the world's richest and most elites of the planet are pushing plant-based diets? Right. When throughout recorded history, those were reserved for slaves, prisoners, and foot soldiers. You know, the Romans, they marched on barley. The elites had all the meat they wanted, you know. And so it's just wild how all that happened.

Starting point is 01:05:04 And so, and they all talk about, oh, scientific consensus. I know. Scientific consensus, and I debunk that because I give an example, it's like, you know, Galileo, a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. In 1633, he was imprisoned for life. Yeah. When he just, after he discovered that the earth is not the center of the universe, and it revolves around the sun.

Starting point is 01:05:25 And the sun's part of a system and is going around these other systems. It's like, they're imprisoned it for life because, hey, it was scientific consensus that the earth is the center of the universe. universe, especially with the, you know, the church. Yeah. And oh my God. So whenever you hear anybody using scientific consensus, whether it's from media or government, just know that what you're about to hear will be as truthful as the COV jab is safe and effective for everyone, save and effective for everyone and totally stops

Starting point is 01:05:53 transmission. Right. We don't want a bunch of bullshit that turned out to be, right? Yeah. And so, you know, it's just watch out. You know, a lot of, there's people out there in high places that are trying to fool us, and it's all money. And we really got to come after the big ag. That's the next thing we all got it because it's just, oh, my God, all those things that they're spraying on the, you know, I would love to have a piece of toast one day too.

Starting point is 01:06:18 Yeah. But again, it comes back to the CGM, as you so wisely point out. Yeah, that's the key. I mean, it really is. And that's how I've learned a lot and come to the conclusion of, okay, well, this might work for so and so. but it's not working for me. And this, wow, this works for me. And someone over there is telling me completely different.

Starting point is 01:06:37 I'm going to stick with what works for me. And how you feel and your blood lab. Those are the two main things. Yeah. And that's what I, as a nutritionist and as a trainer and as somebody that's trained athletes, my job to do my best is to do what's conducive to said person based upon a million different factors. And I think that gets lost in the equation when people are speaking or have a strong

Starting point is 01:07:00 set of beliefs. It's good to always have a, like, okay, this is what happened to me, but you also have to be mindful and temperate that that doesn't always apply to everybody, but there are certain things which you have pointed out quite eloquently in your book that do apply to everybody. And then there's, you know, there's polarizing shit, man, that we have to kind of have our opinion, but be open to other opinions on, I think. And I've gotten better about that, you know. Yeah, no, no, no. We have to relax and just go, okay, so he's a vegan, vegetarian. You know, but and I, I cover that. I can't remember where I say, look, this is no war on the vegans and vegetarians.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Because, you know, I have a lot of my friends. He says, look, once I, I, I too was a vegetarian. I tried that for a while. Way back. And, you know, so people like that are paying attention. They want to live long. They want to do well. They're usually higher education and that kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:07:55 But I say, look, once I've seen this data, I can't unsee it. Yeah. So at least stay with. me while you get through the following pages and that kind of thing. And, you know, I'm not looking to convince anybody, but just make up your own mind and be open. Yes. To reading how we've eaten for 2.6 to 4.5 million years and, you know, go from there. I like to go on the premise of metabolic flexibility and to be flexible metabolically.

Starting point is 01:08:24 You have to be willing to certain days do something a little bit different and accommodate your, like I said, your training or whatever, but have a premise for how you normally eat and listen to your body, right? And then listen to the data, the results, and go from there. And that's why I told you, I've been like this extremist that went from one to the other with realizing, man, if you're going to train like this, if you're going to live like this, there's certain things you're going to need, but you have to realize that there is one method that's better than the other. I found my body to be like a fat burning machine when I got everything tested through my breath. And I didn't even realize the amount of carbs I was eaten by eating so low fat. And then when I sat and broke it down,

Starting point is 01:09:04 because even as a nutritionist, sometimes the teachers, you don't do what you teach. And I started going down and I was like, man, everything I'm eating is carb, carb, carb, carb, carb, carb, carb. And I was kind of dumbfounded. And then I cut it so, so low that it also had a negative effect on me. And so I balanced it out now to where it's still, I would say, for my training, pretty low. But it's, you know, more like 100 to 120 where when it got down to 30 and 50 it's it's not enough but over over the 100 or so it's too much for me it's kind of like okay after a 90 minute cardio session you best get a few carbohydrates doesn't mean you need 500 but when I put my data in for what it recommends based on training they've got me eating four and 500 carbs a day seriously and and heavy protein and fat too I'm more of

Starting point is 01:09:55 the ilk of like 200 grams of protein, 80 to 100 grams of fat and 100 to 120 grams of carbs. And that seems to kind of be a good set for me. I was getting a little high on the fats there for a while, Daniel, like 150, a little too much because I went one extreme to the other. So yeah, that's how you feel, man. Yeah. And you understand the most important thing that most people don't. And that is, and any engineer will tell you this, you can't manage what you don't measure.

Starting point is 01:10:23 Yes. You can't manage what you don't measure. That's the beauty of the CGM and the thing, you know, the CGM, the sugar spikes. I mean, that's what causes all of our disease because we didn't have these, you know, this amount of standard American diet foods even 100 years ago. So it's just, like I said, the obesity rate in 1930 was 1%. We're now approaching 50 and under 100 years. It's just astonishing.

Starting point is 01:10:49 It just blows your mind. And what population does that ever happen to throughout history? None. None. So you can't manage what you don't measure. Get a CGM, go to CVS or something and get your finger stick thing. It's like 25 bucks, I think, whatever. But you got to understand you can't manage what you don't measure. That's what any engineer will tell you.

Starting point is 01:11:11 That's right. And then like you said, ways to go about it. Move after a meal. Another thing that I teach people is prioritize your plate, man. Eat the protein first, then the fats, then the carbs last. That also helps. There's a lot of things. if you do it, people are like, oh, that doesn't matter.

Starting point is 01:11:25 It does matter because the data will show you that it matters. Try it without it, then try it doing it and then look and see what you find and you're going to find like, wow, maybe I should listen to some of these things that I think are crazy because they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, listen, I'm just really thrilled that you are getting all this information out on your YouTube page. It's just wonderful that you're and the people that you interview and your knowledge that you

Starting point is 01:11:48 have is just keep it up, brother. Dude, I love everything you talk about and what you stand for and what you do. And what I really like about your book is the attention to detail and how well you know it. You can tell in a discussion with you of five minutes how in tune you are with your own work and writing. A lot of people, they put books out and they wouldn't know what was going on past the prologue if they even got that far. And you have, and I was telling my wife this before the conversation, I said, you got to listen to this guy because I said, he will cite you down to the T, down to anything in this book. And I said, I love it because I can ask him anything and he's just going to cite it.

Starting point is 01:12:27 And then everybody can go look it up. And I just love that you're that into what you did. And I appreciate it. I got to confess that after it was done, I was constantly reading the book because when I started doing these podcasts and getting invited on to different, you know, YouTube channels and so forth, you know, I don't know what they're going to ask me. So I had to be prepared. I go, oh, wait, I'm like, I don't remember this. And I got to tell you. funny story when I first appeared with Ken Berry back in 24. I forget exactly when, but I was in touch

Starting point is 01:12:58 with his people, you know, to set everything up. And I said, wait a minute, he's got how many millions followers, subscribers? He's always got 3.6 here and 2.8 over here. I said, oh my God. Okay. And I said, well, if I mess up, we can go back and edit that part out, right? Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's a live stream. Holy shit. They said, what's the matter? I said, well, I did write the And I do know the data, but knowing the data and running it smoothly over my tongue, I'm new to this book interview stuff. Oh, you'll be just fine. Don't worry about it. So we took the dive and we went into it. And I may have stumbled here or there. But, you know, I got to tell you that book shot the, I mean, that interview shot the book to number one on Amazon. And it has stayed there in the top

Starting point is 01:13:41 10 for heart disease, type two diabetes. You know, they have these categories they give you. So I'm really happy that people caught on to that. But I was just, you know, when I first started, out. I didn't. I really, I needed to practice and roll these things over my tongue and say them a few times. So that's my exposure and confession there. Well, it's refreshing, man, because I, I am blessed to interview so many different people and I've come out of some things shocked in good and bad ways with some people where I would have never expected the knowledge base and some people where I expected a lot more and was kind of blown away at the dance. I always call them political dancers, not saying they're into politics, but you know how politicians dance.

Starting point is 01:14:20 when you ask them stuff. And some people I get on there and I'm like, this guy is dancing or a woman, dancing like a politician, can't answer a simple question, which tells me they're good at their marketing, but not so good at their knowledge. So I appreciate the knowledge and the wisdom that you brought today.

Starting point is 01:14:35 It's a breath of fresh air for me. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Dylan, thank you so much. And I want you to keep doing what you're doing and I'll do that on my end as much as I can. Well,

Starting point is 01:14:46 I'll put everything down here for where they can buy your book, check you out online, Is there anything you want to mention on where to go to follow you? Yeah, no, just go to Danieltrevor.com. And like I said, you know, I got a lot of really good data up there. You can click blood tests. At least read them. Like I said, you can even buy them there if you want.

Starting point is 01:15:03 Or you write them down, take them to your doctor. If they'll, you know, that way you get it through your insurance or something. But yeah, there's some really good data there. And, you know, check that out, Danieltreber.com. Awesome. Well, I appreciate it. One last thing. One last thing.

Starting point is 01:15:16 I offer, if you get on my weekly newsletter, I offer a first. Free preview of the book. And what is that? That's the first 48 pages of the book. You put in your name and you're, you know, you can unsubscribe it anytime, of course. And then you get a PDF of the first 48 pages of the book. And that way you can, you know, it's kind of like the old days. And you go to the yogurt stand. It tastes a little this, taste a little bit. You taste it a little bit. And then you can go buy it if you want. I will say his newsletter is actually quite good. It's not a bullshit newsletter. I've read now three or four of them since I met you. And they're all quite good. They actually have good information and it's not selling anything. It's actually insightful. So I would actually subscribe to that. I normally don't push people's newsletters because they're all just full of ads. But this one's not. It's really good.

Starting point is 01:16:04 Well, it's topics that are in the book, but they're more bite size. You know, that's the way I look at it. Yes. So all right, Daniel. I appreciate you, my brother. And everybody, please, if you just don't do anything short of, go read a little bit of what Daniels wrote because it's insightful and it's going to change your life. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jemeli signing off.

The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #171: “My Heart Test Was Perfect and Then I Had a HEART ATTACK!” - Featuring Daniel Trevor

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