The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #41 Dylan Gemelli opens up on The Highly Acclaimed ”Longevity Podcast” with Nathalie Niddam! The dark side of bodybuilding, eating disorders...

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

I recently appeared on the HIGHLY acclaimed "Longevity Podcast" with Nathalie Niddam in an episode where I open up into MANY controversial and DEEP topics! See Nathalie's description below...   In this episode of the Longevity Podcast, I sit down with Dylan Gemelli—a name many of you may know from the bodybuilding world and the pioneering days of biohacking. Our conversation takes a very personal turn, as Dylan bravely opens up about his early struggles with body image, bulimia, and body dysmorphia, and how these challenges set the stage for his journey into fitness, nutrition, and ultimately, cellular and mitochondrial optimization. Free “Top 5 Peptides” Download from Nat: https://natniddam.com/Top5 What we discuss: Trigger warning: Eating disorders ... 00:03:52 Early body image struggles ... 00:08:11 Eating disorders and sports ... 00:11:11 Addiction and life rebuild ... 00:16:40 Steroids, SARMs, and peptides ... 00:18:08 Public criticism and dysmorphia ... 00:19:04 Biohacking and diet overhaul ... 00:20:42 Heart risk and labs ... 00:27:23 Individualized diet lessons ... 00:39:44 Evolving coaching philosophy ... 00:41:50 Urolithin A & methylene blue ... 00:46:28 Podcast vision and legacy ... 00:52:32   ___________________________________________________________________________   Today's episode is sponsored by Apollo Neuro!   Get the Apollo Neuro for $90 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli _______________________________________________________________________________ To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN     TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN     THE BREAKTHROUGH MIMIO HEALTH FASTING MIMETIC SUPPLEMENT!  20% OFF with code Gemelli  https://mimiohealth.sjv.io/c/6588260/3323599/30611     TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast     MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN       HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli     Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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anywhere on your body. Optimal health requires both the mind and body to be in line and Apollo is the key to establishing that connection. Check the description below to save $90 with my special discount. Take control over your health today with Apollo Neuro. Welcome to the show, Dylan Jameli, it is a pleasure to have you here today. It's always wonderful talking to you, like I was telling you earlier. I said I could talk to you all day, so I'm looking forward to it. Well, same. So buckle up people. We're going to, I don't know where exactly we're going, but we're going places today. So we're going to talk. And actually, you know,

Dylan's one of these people who can talk about so many different things, right? Because you have this background in bodybuilding. You're, when I talk about, you know, the bodybuilder biohackers that were using peptides before anybody else, you're that guy. but you've also had a very long journey. And the interesting thing about the bodybuilding space is it comes with a lot of inherent kind of pitfalls for people, right? And so there's the, you know, there's obviously there's like the whole peptides, the SARMs, the growth hormone that some people get into, which hopefully not too many, the steroids. And then even this, I guess this kind of obsession with body. composition and being lean and being ripped and being all those things. And we think of,

we think of certain issues as being female only, but you guys get left behind. And you got caught up in some of that. So number one, thank you for being here and for being willing to share your story. And I'd love to hand over with the mic for a bit and have you talk to us a little bit about that journey. Yeah. And, you know, one thing I will say is for many years, I wouldn't talk about any of this. I felt like it was, like you said, I felt like it was a female only thing and talking about it made me feel weak, vulnerable, strange, would be looked at funny. Not that I cared so much about what people said, but it was just, once again, it's like a complex thing. You're already dealing with a complex disorder as it is. And then it's a whole other issue. And part of the complex disorder

does revolve. And I realized later, I tell myself, I don't care what people think, but you really do. or you wouldn't have the problem. Exactly. Right. But then it becomes inherent to me over time that as I did stop to care about what other people think, it is a me problem. But it's a culmination and it takes so long to figure out and you don't really wrap your head around it.

So I'll start back. The reason that I got into nutrition, I started studying nutrition at 11 years old, I started reading food labels and trying to figure out what they meant. I didn't necessarily understand what they meant, but I started to look at them and try to figure out for myself before I asked what do these mean? When I was 11, it's not like there was a big internet to look up and look everything. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. We had just gotten like America online dial-up. There really wasn't anything to look up at that time. So, you know, I'm reading the back of labels. And my main thing that I was looking at at the time was

percentages on fat and, you know, carbohydrate, just a percent. Not really understanding, but at least taking the time to look. Not don't understand that ingredients and order and all that. So let me ask you this. Were you, like, were you, were you, why, why were you concerned about this? Is this because of the household you grew up in? Were you kind of an overweight kid? Like some kids, you know, we come for, I mean, I came from a culture where if your baby wasn't fat, your baby wasn't healthy. Right. Right. And so, which, which brought in a whole host of other issues, but we're not going to go there. What was your thing? What, what kind of at 11 years old, what really ignited this kind of interest, you know, focused interest, if you will, on how much fat is in my food or whatever the case may be?

Good question. So it's like an anomaly, right? My dad was a college athlete. He had a full right scholarship for football. It chose to play basketball at a different school. Major, major, major athlete. My mom was a cheerleader, you know, everything. But I'm an only child in an Italian family. So this eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. Like everything revolves around food, food, food, food. You better, it's always, are you hungry? Do you want this? You need enough. No. And the problem was, is God bless my mom. She would do anything for me, but I mean anything.

So if I want McDonald's every day, I got it every day. Against my dad's will, you know, whatever. So I was a, I played, I played basketball. And this is all through high school, too, basketball, football, tennis, and baseball. And so, but I was overweight playing all of these sports and excelling at these sports. and excelling at these sports, but always in bad condition. And, you know, I'm with, like, the group of kids at school

that are always the most popular kids, but in the back of my head, I'm like, I can't take my shirt off at a swimming pool. I know, like, with the girls, they're my friends, but they're never going to really go out with me because look at me. You know, and I'll never forget, I can pinpoint the time. I was 10 years old or 11 years old. It was 1994.

I can tell you exactly when it was. And we got home from a vacation in Florida. And I was eating like ice cream and it was steak every single night and all of this ice cream and fatty foods and everything. And I got home and I gained like seven or eight more pounds. And I remember crying in the mirror getting in the shower and thinking that it was never going to end. Like I really thought there was no way to fix this ever. And so I was about five foot eight like literally in seventh grade about 165, which is at

5 foot 8, 165 at that age is not good. And then I played tackle football that summer, and I grew to like 6-1, and I went to like 135 pounds. And so you can imagine the drastic difference. I looked like a totally different guy when I went back to school. Oh, my God. Like you turned into a string bean. And it would have a bean to string bean.

Yes. And all the attention I was getting from girls, which was like huge for me at the time, the way that my sports changed and that my ability, I became obsessed with running because I could do it, you know, and all of these things opened up. Well, here's the problem. One, everybody started saying I was doing drugs or I had an eating disorder, which I had no idea about any sort of eating disorder, nor drugs, nor none of that. I was completely like a young kid. I didn't know what the hell of people we were even talking about.

Well, then it became like my parents started questioning me. And I'm like, dude, like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Then it got the idea into my head about the eating and the throwing up of the food. And I was so terrified about gaining weight and getting it back that that all got into my head. So basically I didn't even know what it was. And the convolution of everybody accusing me of it gave me the understanding and idea of what it even was. I never had the heart to say that to my mom or dad or anybody ever to this day because I wouldn't want them to feel responsible. But I didn't know what any of that was.

Honestly, I had no clue about any eating disorder, any kind of. people at the time it was called crank that's like speed and I was like fuck I don't even know what this is all I know is weed you know like I don't even know what we're talking it's gonna make me eat so I'm not doing that yeah exactly so then what happens is my fear and the understanding of this I start to have that that problem with the bulimia first wow yeah and you can imagine trying to hide that and you're not gonna hide that you think you are but everybody knows you know and everybody knew and it became to the point where it became a big problem. And my, my mom and dad were watching everything I did. You know, I was just looking for ways to, to get rid of food or to not get it. And then it became, okay, I don't like this. It's disgusting. And then it's like, okay, I just, I'm not going to eat, you know. And it became this double-edged sword. And I remember in my freshman year, my dad said, if you don't weigh 150 pounds, I will not let you play basketball. I will not let you play. And so I was in my room, like, looking in the mirror, like, you have a decision to make, dude, like, what's more important?

And I just forced myself to deal with it. But it's one of those things that I would let it go for like a year and then it will come back. You let it go and you think you're okay. And then all of a sudden, I don't know where something in your head clicks. Somebody says something. Something happens. You look at a picture. I don't know.

Anything. And so it's this just endless battle, you know? Well, it's an addiction, right? So it doesn't, you don't just go. It's like alcoholic is always an alcoholic, even if they never touch that drink. drink. Yeah. It does not. Wow, that's such a burden for such a young person. That's hard. You know, and I, uh, I wasn't honest with myself about any of it at all. I would deny it to myself. I mean, obviously deny it to my parents or anybody else, but I, I would be totally

dishonest with myself, lie to myself. And then it got to the point where I stopped because I was having so much fun partying and, you know, going to college and it just kind of went away, you know, for years. It just went away. And then I got hurt playing basketball and I started to go into modeling. So right, that's probably the worst thing that I could have ever chose to do. Let me reintroduce you to your eating disorder here. Yeah. So sure.

Now I'm going to say something else that helped me control my weight at the time, which I'm not ashamed to admit either. As with all the partying and the cocaine use, I didn't have any trouble gaining any weight or looking at my body because I didn't gain any weight. was partying and doing drugs. So there was no, no problem. I would go days without eating at the time. I'm not advocating this to anybody. I'm just explaining my journey. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. So far we're not advocating much. No, we're to do. I'm giving you every pitfall that's taken me to why I'm, why I do what I do now. So mind you, it wasn't as big of a struggle. But then I stopped partying and

stop doing that, trying to get my act together. And I got myself into trouble. And so I had to kind of restart my entire life because if you're around that type of thing, you're eventually going to get in trouble. So let's skip past the trouble part and leave that part out. Let's just say there was trouble. Let's just say I lost a couple years of my life. There were troubled times. Yeah. All right. So you came out of that. It was amazing. Yes. So once I finally came out of all of that, we're looking about 2011. And I have to start my life from scratch from ground zero. I'll just say when I was in prison, and because I got in trouble with drugs. When I got out, I have a big trouble.

I had lost, I was down to about 159 pounds at 6 foot 1, so you can imagine how skinny I was. I was down to nothing. And that was from being in there and just refusing to eat any of that garbage and working out seven days a week. And my whole life was revolved around working out. So when I got out, all I did, once I started to find a job and work was that night, I just got into bodybuilding forms and started studying everything that I could

study, I became fascinated with the body, with anatomy and physiology, with supplements, which then turned into me studying steroids, which then led me into serms and peptides from all the bodybuilding forums. And that's how I started making YouTube videos was because I got approached by people out of supplement company that saw how much I knew so fast. Because Natalie, I used to read until three and four in the morning and just study. And that's all I did. because I was so ashamed of myself.

All I wanted to do was learn, you know, and I, and being in there, I read so much, I was used to reading. And so I decided, you know, when I was in there, I'm going to, I am going to make up for all the people I let down and all the talent I wasted. And so from there, I started to educate people on stare at's trying to tell them not to use them and educating on all of the side effects, but then with the understanding of, you know, if you're going to use them, here's the way to use them. Not really what I wanted to do, but it helps.

me build my character online and to grow. Well, then, as you and I have discussed, I got introduced to peptides and SARMs, which were completely underground. And so I put a ton of study into those and shifted my focus. You know, the steroid videos were to get viewers and I kind of tried to not do those as much. But I was getting approached by professional athletes to coach in which you can imagine and bodybuilders. So I started a career coaching. And I continued to do that several years until Really two years ago, I got a break and I got to go to the Mr. Olympia. I got to speak. I met like Dr. Elizabeth Yourth and, you know, people like that that I was blessed to meet

and be around that I got to learn from. And then they grew fond of me and I got my opportunities. And once I figured out, wow, you know, I have these opportunities and chances. Now, mind you, I've been struggling with the eating the entire way through, okay? because I would go up and down and wait with steroid cycles that I used and oh my gosh it looked great but oh I'm too big and on people insulting me online taking shots at me left and right you can never please anybody no I mean when you're a public persona like it's it's tricky there's always going to be someone coming at you about something doesn't matter what you do

and the more I did and the more I went against the grain or the more I said things more insults and it's hard you can say oh I don't care all day but it you You know, my wife sees it and says something to me. I see her cry or get upset. My stepkid, somebody sees it. I'm going to get upset. I'm human. Mm-hmm.

So this is still going on with the body dysmorphia, by the way, until this last year now at the Mr. Olympia, I spoke, got a huge break. I knocked it out of the park. This was my best showing in my life. I did not choke. I got up there and I ripped it up and I got all of these opportunities out of it. And I got home and I got COVID. And I started, instead of getting depressed,

Like, why has this happened to me when I got all these opportunities? That's when I found biohacking, when I found people like you, when I was going through and realizing this is what I'm supposed to be doing. And at the same time, I went in one day. My wife was in the kitchen. I said, hey, I said, I'm done. Because I'm starving myself, Natalie. Like every day for like four years, all I'm eating all day long is vegetables, like 13 servings a day, 13 to 14, oatmeal, egg whites and peanut butter and yogurt. And that's literally it.

And I'm burning with my like roughly three hours of training between cardio and, you know, lifting. I'm burning like 35, 4,000 calories a day and eating like 1,600. Wow. So I feel like shit. I'm like, can't focus. Always pissed off. You know, being a jerk for no reason. I went in there one day and I told her, look, I said, we're going to make some changes today.

And she's just looking at me because I know she's praying for help all the time for me. because of my stress and everything. And I said, I've been studying and watching and learning for so many years. I said, we're going to, I'm going to go from 15 grams of fat today to 100. I'm going to test this out. I'm going to go from 1,600 calories to 2,700. And we're going to do this, this and this. So right now I'm eating like 16 ounces of fish a day, salmon normally.

Sometimes I rotate in the sea bass, even though it's really expensive. I don't care. And then 12 ounces of either venison elk. Like I'm trying all these beefs, meats, everything, avocados every day, sprouted bread, all of the complete 180. And I haven't been this cut since I use steroids and this happy and this focused and this energetic. No. And I'm just turning 43 and I'm in the best shape of my life. And focused.

I still have some issues where I look in the mirror and go, uh, you better be careful. And then I'm like, wait a minute, your goal. Like, what are you doing? You're gold. You haven't felt as good in your life. And so I haven't overcome it by any stretch. but with the studies that I've been doing now and the time and the effort and the people I've surrounded myself with, I understand every facet of where I've been wrong and understanding, look, I'm a data guy.

Like I have a CGM. I've been monitoring. I have the lumens. So I'm testing my breath, seeing what's affecting me. How many times? Where am I burning more fats than carbs and how am I utilizing this? How is my carbohydrate intake compared to being at 150 to 300 grams? Like I'm doing all the data. So I'm learning. myself because I've been doing this on everybody my whole life and I'm not I'm like biggest hypocrite in the world and I'm saying how can you teach people and expect people to listen to if you're a prick and don't do your own you know your own work so I think and I'm a very spiritual guy I'll leave that alone it's to each their own but I do a lot of prayer and and that helps guide me and it's helping me realize where I'm wrong and why I'm still thinking I'm not selfish I am because I'm still focused on Dylan, even though it's not like selfish with money or anything like that, but it's with myself and my time. And I'm trying to fix all of that and put people ahead of me. And it's doing

nothing but work. So I'm in a much better place. But it's it's an endless battle fight. But, you know, when you see the results and you know in your heart, like you can see and feel and then you see it helping others too, you tend to get over things, you know? Well, for sure, I mean, look, I don't think leaving faith out of it is necessary particularly. I think that people find their source of strength, their source of inspiration,

their source of what's going to help them to stay on a path that they've chosen. And, you know, for some people, it could be another person. For some people, it can be their faith, you know. And I think as long as we are open to the possibility, that different people will access different sources of motivation and are okay with that. And whatever your source of motivation is, it's a beautiful thing.

It literally carries me every day. First thing I do when I wake up, we say a prayer together in bed. I get up, I go for a 20, 25 minute walk, even in the five-degree weather. I pray the whole time. I read the entire New Testament cover to cover last year. Like I, that's what my, that's the way I've overcome things. And to each their own, I know I don't really care. I'll never back down from mine.

I won't flood people with it. You do, you do you. Yeah. But I will always, I will always be proud to tell you what, what I do and what I believe in and what has carried me and what continues to carry me. Until I did that and chose to put God first, I was just a fucking disaster. Yeah. It's a mess. Empty.

Lots of money, lots of shit. Great house. great family and empty, just empty, literally. And now I don't feel that anymore, ever. Good for you. Good for you. All right. So you found your source, let's call it that.

Yeah. And which is amazing. And you've completely turned around on diet. Yes. Right? So you've moved from, and it sounds to me like you move from manipulating diet to achieve some outcome, as defined by whatever your goal happened to be that day, to possibly moving towards a diet that you're using to nourish your body, which is two very different focuses. And so

let's talk a little bit about what that looks like. Now, you've mentioned, you, well, actually, no, you mentioned fish, you mentioned venison, you mentioned elk, so you're eating meat, you're eating fish, you're eating sprouted grain. So you're not, you know, so you're, it seems to me like you've moved into a space where you've broadened and expanded your diet and feeling that what's working for you is this massively expanded variety of food, which, you know, some of the audience is going, yes, and some of the audience is going, what do you mean? You're eating grains. You can't possibly be eating grains. And somebody else is like, oh, no, but fish is full of plastics. And somebody else is saying, well, how could you possibly eat, like, you know, a four-legged mammal? And people have

all these stories around food. And so, you know, what brought you to, you know, what I would think as someone who trained as a nutritionist is, you know, a much more robust way of fueling your body. Even though I know, I know, I know, guys, I know there's grains in there, but I'm, I'm of the opinion that it depends, right? Some people have the metabolism to deal with them. And as long as we choose wisely, they're going to be fine for us. But in terms of your nutrition philosophy, what's helped you to really kind of get into this place and how has it changed the way that you're coaching your clients?

Like, were you telling your clients to eat a very diet or did you have them kind of on the egg white peanut butter? I think that as a person that coaches, you still, no matter what you know, you have a tendency to lean into what works for you at times. You just kind of, you try to. you try to not do that, but you'll kind of go back to that with the realization that doesn't work for everybody, but you'll try to go that route first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of like a default mechanism.

Yeah, yeah. And it's not good. It's not because you need to analyze that person and go with what, you know, it's good to have your own data. Let me preface something for you, though, that I didn't say. Two years ago, when I started working with the doctor, he said to me, I have all of my people that work with me, go get a calcium score on their heart. He said, I'm sure yours is zero, you know, look at you and how you train and do everything. And, you know, I stopped drinking, I stopped doing everything 10 years ago. I don't do shit, you know. Yeah.

And so I went in for the calcium score and it came back 124. And I had a meltdown because I had researched and knew what it was. So through my own searching, I went in and had comprehensive metabolic testing, not just LDL, HDL, all of that. My LDL was a little bit elevated. My total was still under 200, but LDL was slightly elevated, which didn't make sense to me. And it was just elevated on nowhere. It hadn't been. I have the testings back to 2015. It was always in like the 90s, but it was about 115, 120, which is elevated. But that's not the data we need, right? So I went in and got my LP little A, A, A, po, B, my particle sizes, the stuff that really matters. Yeah. My L.P. Little A score is 330. Oh, dear. Yeah. So immediately, boom, there's the ticket, right? So the more I study LP.

Little A, I understand your diet has nothing to do with it. Your training has nothing to do with it. And this is a genetic issue. So, of course, you and I both know what I'm recommended, right? Staten, statin, statin, statin, right? Well, thankfully, I have a friend, very close friend, that works and is one of the developers of Vasepa. I'm talking PCSK-9 inhibitors for people that don't know that there's other options besides statins, which they don't want you to know.

Yeah. So I get in the car with my mom and my wife drive to Minneapolis to go to the Mayo Clinic, three and a half, four hours away for them to tell me that all I need is a statin. I'm perfectly fine. There's nothing to worry about. And that PCSK-9 inhibitors would be bad practice. And they don't know enough about LP Little A to advise me much on it because there's just not much to know. You only need to test it once in your life and it's not going to change.

And I said, I got into a big argument with my mom and my wife on the way home. And I said, they are so full of shit. Oh, you know, they're the professionals, you know, all of that. I said, that's fine. I said, it's my life. I'm going to do whatever the whole. I want to do. So I took it upon myself to do things my way.

I found the doctors that I know would help me. I got rapatha and vasipa, no statin. I did take niacin for several months because I was aware of what it could do to your LP Lillet, but my liver enzymes got so elevated. because of all the shit that I was taken to try to fight and combat this. So I backed off the niacin. I did implement several things. One of those is pomegranate juice because that supposedly can help to reverse some plaque in your arteries. Now I'm taking in minimal amounts of that. I had a CT angio done that showed a 38% block. So they said it's in one area. You know, you caught it. Now we're going to stop it.

So I have my LP L.A. was 3.30 and I told you they tell you, oh, it's not going to go down. You only test it once. I got it tested and I've watched it now for two years or a year and a half. The last time I got it tested, it was 96. Wow. So this is because of the PCSK9. I am certain it's because of that on top of divine intervention through prayer. And I'm also certain that it is through some of the other mechanisms that and with like niacin, like red yeast rice, which is a natural, you know, statin. But I backed off of that because I saw that it was taking a toll on my other body parts. So you have to monitor your blood work and not throw too much in it because I was throwing the kitchen sink at it, resveratrol, tumor, like everything. I was taking way too much

because I panicked. And I've scaled it back and I've watched the numbers. Now, let's take that into consideration with the diet. They tanked my LDL down to 38 when I started with the statin. And you and I both know when you tank your cholesterol that low, that's how you get things like Alzheimer's and all kinds of other things that will develop. So what I've done, I made all those changes to my diet and, oh, you know, saturated fats, red meats, because I, I eat everyday grass fed butter, SCT, O, not MCT, SCT, which is short chain triglyceride oil. I'm getting the L.A. release, which is obviously helping me to cut up.

And that's what I do in my bulletproof coffee instead of the MCT oil, which we can talk about. So I do that. I do olive oil. And then I do walnuts because walnuts are the best for your heart. and for your heart health or like I do almonds but peeled I've interviewed Dr. Gundry and you know how he is on the no yeah yeah so he got into my he got into my head a little bit on that one um but I do the peeled like sprouted almond butters yeah um and and I my carbohydrate intake is you know I'm on the lower end I'm only like 75 to 100 and it's very clean

it's mostly vegetables and fruits and things but I'm not scared of those by any stretch the imagination but all that meat, all that fat, you know, and everything. And my numbers are as beautiful as they could possibly be. And so what made me make the change is to get back to what you asked. Eudomonia. There is a test there called a noe, P-N-O-E. Yeah. And, you know, he hooked me up to the thing.

And that right there was the moment I saw how much my body was ripping through fat. And that's what made me go through that test. gave me this printout and said you're supposed to be eating this much fat and this and I'm looking at it going I here's a thing Natalie you know that old school 90s mentality of if you eat fat it's gonna make you fat oh yeah yeah and no matter how many people I put on a diet that had more fat in it I told myself that it would make me fat and just deprived my I literally the only source of fat I had is peanut butter it's it for and it's not your best fat either no it's not no shit no Of all the nut butter, it's the worst.

And so I made those changes. And like I said, you'd think, oh, your cholesterol is going to bomb. You're going to be all messed. My blood panels and everything came back the best they've been. Like literally, I'm doing about 12 ounces of red meat five days a week. On the weekends, I kind of take it off. But the salmon has been a big key for me, I think, you know, adding that in there. And the good, healthy fats, the grass-fed fats.

because I'm very particular about grass-fed, pasteurized eggs, because I don't think people don't realize when you're getting grain-fed versus grass-fed what kind of nutrient differences that you're getting and the differences in the quality of the food. All eggs are not equal. All meats are not equal. Not even close. Not even close. Yeah, for sure. Well, I mean, you know, I think that the thing we tend to ignore with chickens is that they're actually omnivores. Mm-hmm. Right? So they're not supposed to be. only eating grains and only eating whatnot.

I mean, they hunt and peck, they eat insects, they eat all the things. This is what's concentrating into that egg yolk. Yes. And so for sure, the idea that you can get an egg from a chicken that's been trapped in a cage, fed whatever concoction people have decided they should be eating and get a high-quality food from it, even though, I mean, you know, so then they'll put omega-3 into their food. food. It's just, it's trying to do something that nature does in a very different way when

the eating is being provided, the food that it's supposed to be eating in the first place. Absolutely. I found this brand of meat at Whole Foods. It's called, I don't work for them or anything. I'm just saying what I eat. It's called force of nature. Yeah. It's, it's so good. Like I've gone through literally, so I started doing the ancestral because it's got liver and heart in it, you know? Yeah. So I have a four thing rotation I do. I go venison for two days because I'll split them and then I'll do elk and then I'll do the bison and then I'll do the regular ground beef.

But I like the venison so much that'll tend to double that up. It's so, you know, I had never had any of the things I just listed aside from ground beef in my entire life once, never, none of those. Wow. Now, the horse of nature also sells the elk and the venison. Yeah, so it's like, because we get everything at the fish at Whole Foods. That's where I found for me personally is the best, at least here. You know, and I moved to the coast, I'm sure it'll be different.

But that's where we get all the fish. And then I found it directly across in that like freezer section right from the counter there. And I was looking and I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's try all of these and just see. I mean, if I don't like it, don't like it. You know, shit, I loved all of them. Every one of that elk is like delicious.

And I'm looking at these. And I told my wife at this point in my life, it's like, what the fuck? I just try it. If it sucks, I just won't eat it. You know what I mean? Well, you know, what's interesting is, I mean, a lot of these red meats are by their very nature relatively lean. Yeah. Right?

Yes. So the nice thing about that. And I do think that our ethnic background sometimes weighs in on some of the foods that we do better with than others. Mm-hmm. And which isn't to say that, you know, if you've completely. abused your body in different ways that your metabolism might not no longer respond properly to different foods. But the nice thing about eating, getting the red meat without too much of the saturated fat with it is that it allows you to fill in the blanks with saturated fats

that you choose. So as an extra virgin olive oils and, you know, like, and I'm curious about the SCT oil because I'm, I'm curious about that. But at some level, it, I don't, I don't, I'm reluctant to put a blanket gold stamp on saturated fat for every single person. Me too. Because I don't think it works that way for every single person. And we just have to be open to that. I agree. I couldn't agree more.

They have put the fear of so many things inside of us. And if you don't test and run your own data, how do you really know? Yeah. Your body will decide. Yeah. Saturated fat is good for you or not. And I'm not, I'm not putting a red X through it either. No.

My only thing is, you know, where I, I get uncomfortable is people who blanket statement, everybody needs to this. Yeah. Everybody should this. And I'm like, you know, the only thing everybody should do is figure out what works for themselves. Yes. That's sweet.

Thank you. It's all right. Good statement. I couldn't agree more. It's just. So look, when it comes to all of these, like, I did the, the background test on, on what my. body supposedly was going to do the best with. And they told me that I would, on that DNA test,

was the polar opposite of every piece of data that I have. This is why the testing is so important. But they told me that my body was not going to metabolize fats well at all, that I would do very poorly and that I should eat a low fat diet and that I should have an extremely high carbohydrate diet. And when I did do all of that, I felt my worst. I looked my worst and I had the worst results on every aspect of my life. And that's done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I told the guy on the phone, because, you know, they try to sell you all of their shit. And, and I told them, I said, look, I said, I've been a nutritionist 15 years. I said, I'm not looking for anything other than data here.

And he started to get on this thing. And I said, and I let him go. And I said, well, that's amazing. I said, because everything he just told me is the complete and utter polar opposite of what your data just gave me. And he just didn't know what the fuck to say because he was just like a salesman that had no idea about diet. And I said, I appreciate your time, man, because I'm not a dick, you know, and whatever. But it's just you have to be, I guess what I'm saying is you have to be careful because they're just trying to sell you stuff on things like that. And you got to understand that, yeah, those tests are good and they're helpful, but it's just data. And all of this is data, just like science is data. And it doesn't always hold true. Yeah. At all. When it comes to DNA, it's predispositions. Yes. So it doesn't mean that it's going to show up. That may not be the way you're expressing right now for any number of reasons. So I do think.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly that the DNA testing is great. You do it once. But then what's really going to guide your decisions is what you're seeing in your labs. That's right. On an ongoing basis. Yeah. And so I would imagine that that's how you work with your clients as well at this point. Because I'm so educated on labs and I'm getting more education now like I was talking

you about, I'm going through several things right now that I, you know what? I thought I was an expert on labs. Like honestly, I really did because I've been doing it so long and I do hormone optimization. and I started that class last night I was telling you about with Dr. Earth and it's cellular health coaching. And she started going through all of these labs and I'm sitting here going, man, you don't know shit, you know, to myself. And I'm a humble guy. Like I don't think I, you know, I'm open. I want to learn everything.

I used to be kind of the opposite. Now I realize my deficiencies and I want to learn. And I was just sitting here going, man, you are so full of shit. Dude, you don't know anything. but it's so enlightening and I saw you know she was saying telling me because I have a crashed ferretin level which I can't figure out for the life of me I've gone through every possible thing and I've had my liver has been elevated and I've had fiber scans everything and she was showing me how it was a cellular deficiency and a mitochondrial issue more than likely so you know I've been using urolithine

and a and I'm hoping that's going to show some difference after I give it time and I'm just going it explored like and at that side it's more than likely a gut issue right so right well and so let's just tell people a little bit about why the urolithinae and the methylene blue might be helpful in the situation yeah so that they understand right so well i mean mitochondrial repair is key like cellular cellular dysfunction generally is either like with it is cell membrane or mitochondrial issue and if you're not when you have mitochondrial issues and this is all stuff i gathered last night by the way in class and things that I've learned, you know, working with my studies, you know, with mitapyr, which is your allithine, is that when your mitochondria break down as we age, which is going to

happen, and obviously there are certain aspects of life that can contribute to that faster, but as we get into 30s and 40s, we can expect that to happen. But when that mitophagy occurs and you regenerate the mitochondria and bridge yourself of all of the shit, the garbage and waste, and then it can rebuild. well, that is one of the keys and ways to avoid disease. All of the disease really starts in yourselves. That's what I learned last night is every single thing centers around poor cell health. No matter what it is, there's a miscommunication, a misfire.

And look, I don't know all the terms I have them right here, but we were looking at like smooth and rough ER and things like that. That I'm... Does you apply to meticulum? Exactly. But then all of these different areas that could misfire and have a problem. and that's where you need to look and that's the core of the problem. Yeah. And where everything starts.

And it's like you said, you know, it's, it starts at the cell because if the cell membrane's not working, what needs to get in isn't getting in. Right. Right. But out isn't getting out. That at a foundational level. Yeah. And mitochondrial functioning now you, you're facing an energy crisis plus poor nutrient sensing. And this is the thing that a lot of people forget and miss about mitochondria is they're not just there to produce energy.

They're also there to assess. their environment to decide what they're going to be doing, whether they're making energy or not making energy and management of reactive ostrichogen species and all the things. So, I mean, it is, it is interesting how, you know, like we start at this big macro level and say, oh, you know, it's all about the food that I'm eating. And then the next thing you know, you're looking through a microscope

and it's about this tiny little liddy-bitty organelle that you could fit like a thousand of them on the end of, on the tip of a needle or something. It's wild. But the link between the two is irrefutable, right? Right. So it is about how you eat and it is about how you're fueling your body, but it's also sometimes diving into those details.

And it's interesting to me with, you know, even just the two compounds you just mentioned, like the urolithinae and the methylene blue, how these are compounds that, well, the urolithinae in particular, which is, and you mentioned the gut a minute ago, in a perfect world, we'd be making our own urolithinae in our gut, sorry of us or not. Right. But this urolithinae primarily is sitting there and giving the signal to turn over mitochondria, get rid of the broken, make some new ones that can actually do the job. But then maybe talk to us a little bit.

I mean, you know, I just recorded a whole podcast on my book. But, you know, why don't you share with the audience why the methylene blue is becoming such an important piece of the puzzle for you as well? You know, I had, you know how, so it's just crazy how you get turned on to all of these things. had Dr. Scott Scher on. Yeah. And he's the one that he's the guy. He's the methylene blue guy. And he's my guy. He's my boy. I got to talk to him a lot now, you know, but I had reached out to him because I, you know, from Dr. Earth. And it's, you know how you just meet everybody when you're in this. And we got to talking. And man, he, he goes so fast and he got me into trying it and

using it. And it has opened up a whole new realm for me. I'll be honest with you. Like, I, uh, I take it every morning. Now he's got a couple of hours. options that he does at tro-scriptions, you know, and I saw that you used them too. And that was one of the reasons I trusted it was because of you, by the way, I never talked to you about this. But holy shit, for one, I was having a major sleep problem at the time. This is off topic, but that trozy, I, okay, so what I did was I wore the, you know, the true dark glasses. I over wore them. I never took them off. Like, never. During the day? No. So your body's thinking you're living in perpetual night.

Basically, I couldn't sleep. I was waking up every three hours and my circadian rhythm was toast. And I couldn't figure out what was going on. And then I researched it and I was like, oh, shit. I'm scared to even put them on now, like terrified. Just at the end of the day, dude. Just at the end of the day. Oh, my gosh.

I was wearing them out. I was wearing them on videos. I was wearing them everywhere. Yeah. Anyway, I started taking that and it flipped the switch for me because I was, you know, then I took epitail on and boom, back to normal. All good. But anyway, and I don't know which one you use, but the just blue is just the pure methylame blue, right? It's like, I think 15 milligrams of pure methylame blue. If you take the full troche, I think it might be 12. So I use different ones for different things. The blue canotene, which makes work. That's what I use. I use that as a pre-workout every day. And I'll somewhere from a quarter to a half, depending on the day. So when I get up in the morning, I told you I go for a walk. That's when I take it on my walk. I take that in the tromeun because that's kept me really healthy all winter.

And I do a half every single day. And I'll tell you what, even days like today where I didn't sleep much last night, I'm razor sharp, like razor sharp and throughout the day. And it is, it really locks you in. Now there's a little, little bit of nicotine in there, a little tiny amount, right? But it's like a healthy amount. And I don't know. I'm not going to fake it.

Like I understand all the facts behind that. Maybe you do on the. difference there on why it's good for you. Yeah, well, nicotine is a nutropic. Yeah. Right. As is caffeine. There's a tiny bit of that as well. Yes. There's like teeny amounts of nicotine, caffeine, and a tiny amount of CBD as well. Yeah. There's no psychoactive in it. And, you know, what the formate, what the docks, who are the formulators, the transcriptions are really good at is putting together ingredients that You put in, you put very little amounts of each one. Some is so much greater than the parts.

Yeah. Right. And so that's where a formula like canotene blue really, really delivers. It's good. For some people, right? Yeah. Not for everybody. And, you know, what's interesting about methylene blue, and I'm, I'm sure you're going to talk about this, is on the one hand, it's this very powerful antimicrobial.

It was the first drug that was ever approved by the FDA. Yep. But, and it got, and it fell completely out of favor when the new kitten town showed up called penicillin. But methylene blue also is important for one of the steps in the electron, one of the four steps in the electron transport chain that your body uses to make ATP. Right. So it's an energy, it helps to make energy while it's cleaning up the environment. And it's all lies, what it's really going to do for you, all lies in your dosage. Yep, 100%.

And that's one of the things. One of the basics that I understood about it initially was the way that it improved, like your mitochondrial efficiency kind of. And I think it's cytochrome C. Yeah. Yes. Which, like you said, increased ATP production. So you're feeling more energy.

But one of the things that I've noticed with it, and this is what I love about pairing it with uralith and A, they both have. So I'm a big endurance. guy didn't really bring that up to you, but I do an hour and a half of cardio every day. And one of the reasons I'm in that fat burning zone instead of carbs is because it's steady state. So I'm in a certain zone. So it's really ripping through fat at the post of carbohydrate. Well, I know when anything affects my endurance. Trust me. Annie, the smallest to the biggest thing I know. It's impossible to not know. I'm so trained for that. And this is between the two of those,

it's pretty damn noticeable on the endurance side of things. And that, That was one of the another benefits of it. And then I was under the impression that it kind of was like an antioxidant. Yeah, it'll mop up reactive oxygen species too. It does lots of things. Yeah. Really cool. Much more than clean out fish bowls, which.

Well, it offers some cell protection, doesn't it? I mean, basically. Yeah. And then like I was telling you, I said, I'm razor sharp. That's one of the things I love about it is the razor sharp focus that I feel when I take that blue canatine. Oh my gosh. I feel so locked in. And like I said, even I didn't sleep that much last night.

And I'm so, I mean, you see, I'm locked in. I just did an hour and a half of cardio before this. I worked all morning and we're gold. You know, I still, I feel really locked in. So yeah, I love it. I really do. All right. So let's get back to Dylan.

Now that we've given transcription a very well-deserved but unsolicited. Exactly. Plug. Because we both love it so much. But at the same time, so let's get back to Dylan's journey right now. So at this stage of the game, you've been through this incredible journey. You've come out the other side, bigger, faster, stronger, smarter. Yeah.

And so, and you're really leaning into this incredible podcast that you've built, which is, congratulations. Like, you're doing a really nice job with that. Thank you. What does, what does, what does the next couple of years look like for Dylan? Are you going back to coaching? Like, what's your, what's your thing? So, well, honestly, so I signed with one of the biggest podcasting agents in the United States.

So I'm really working on really building that to like, I want my podcast to be a top five podcast. I know that's a big, big journey. But I have really studied the art of podcasting, asking questions, listening, and getting big names on already on my own with nobody's help. So I know with that kind of help I can do that. So that's a big goal of mine now beyond that. I am like in the process right now of multiple things. So I mentioned the cellular health coaching. I don't know if you know Dr. Stephen Cabral,

but that I'm doing his program, the IHPI integrative health practitioner. And then I told you I just beforehand, I just got accepted University of Arizona to finish my master's to get my RDN so I can have that on paper. So the ultimate goal would be to get a doctorate in there. Now, what I really would like to do is have either my own kind of practice, like practitioner type of thing or work with another like really, really well-known doctor or be a part of something like that. I want to be a part of something that I can build and grow and make a real legacy and difference, like a real significant difference.

Not just, oh, you make these videos, you do these podcasts, they help people, you're doing all these great things. I want to make a real big difference impact hands on. I want to still continue to do that work too because I feel like I have the, how do I say this? Just like the talent and the voice to do it. I don't want to misuse that or abuse it and use it in the wrong way. So I want to use it properly. And I feel like I'm doing that because I really take the time to get to know people before

I podcast. I really touch and highlight their strengths and what will help people. And I really make it about. them, not me, when we talk. I love doing this. I love going on podcasts. I really do, but I like to focus on individuals and help, you know, feed what they do. And so I want to be as humble and least selfish as I can be on this journey, but still like really make a big impact at the same time. And I'm doing it for a lot of reasons, but I really feel like more than anything, it's like what I'm being told to do inside, you know?

I sometimes words come out that I don't really know where the hell they came from or you know like some kind of knowledge base that I have that I'll be perfectly honest with you I don't know I don't know because I don't know where it came from but I do really work hard at studying and you know it gets a little harder to retain info as you get older just I think it's because of the long days and the stress for me maybe that it gets a little harder but I I reread reread read read until I just can't read anymore. I make it a point to know what I'm doing and not bullshit my way through it, you know, like a lot of people do. And you know, people like you and me, we know when people are full of shit, but not everybody does, you know. And I don't want to ever be that guy. I don't. So I think that it's really like a more internal thing that I'm being told to do and I'm just trying to do it. Amazing.

Yeah. I love it. So, all right. So let's, you know, we've got a variety of people listening to us. right now. Yeah. They have beautiful insight into you and your journey and where you've been and where you're going. And what would, you know, if we could spend the next few minutes just kind of, even though the only thing we said applies to everyone is that everybody has to find their own way, right? Find the diet that works for you, find the plan that works for you. You know, is this,

is there some, I don't know, is there some wisdom? Is there some advice? Is there, what would you like to share with the audience in terms of helping them to orient on their own kind of health journey and, you know, in achieving all those goals that they may have, whether it's looking your best, but maybe it's just feeling your best or overcoming an illness or saying, you know what, I just want to make sure that I look and feel and perform my best for decades and decades to come. You know, there are several things that apply to everybody that apply no matter what. I don't care who it is. There's subjective things and then there's non-subjective things. One of the things that I did when I started this was try to define biohacking and what it means because it sounds

like a ridiculous term. And maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Okay. But the fact that you know what, it's a term. It's a term. And all that it revolves around and understanding it is is really about focusing on how to be your best health, wellness, longevity. But you can't do, I don't care what you do what hack you have, what, what supplement you have, what anything. It starts within yourself. If you're unhappy with yourself, if you're having like mental strain, mental stress, moments of unclarity, doubt, whatever, you have to start there. I don't care who you are. I don't care what it is. If you've got problems there, it's going to affect every other aspect of your health and what you're trying to do to fix your health. There's going to be something wrong. Now, I'm not saying

that you're not going to be stressed and I'm not saying it's easy because it's not. But, Just for instance, we all need sunlight, right? And so that's why I get out and go walk in the morning, clear my head. If you don't want to pray, just clear your head and you get breathe fresh air, get into the sunlight, move, move. You don't have to do the extensive cardio I do every day, but you need to move. And that movement is going to help your body get going. It's going to help your metabolism go. It's going to make your body work and go.

Being sedentary all day, it doesn't work for. anybody. It never has. It never will. That is a universal truth. Yes. Indeed. Okay. Then you need to have plenty of sleep. This is for every human. You cannot function and live long term and be healthy on four and five hours of sleep or interrupted sleep or bad sleep or whatever the case may be. Sleep is of the utmost importance. Staying hydrated is of the utmost importance. I was just learning about that last night with like cells and water and makeup and the dehydration not just of your body, but of your cells and the certain amount of water that you need and why the dexas scan was so important to look at that. But water hydration is important. Some sort of nutrient balance, whatever that is for

you finding it, but just understand this. We have, yes, it is more expensive to eat healthy. But when you're looking at what you're putting into your body and then you need to look at, what am I spending my money on? And is this more important than what goes into my body? And that should always be one of your main focuses on the types of foods that you're eating. I'm not saying everything organic is superior because there's certain things that are bullshit. But it's understanding that eating the healthiest foods and the cleanest foods, the ones that are done properly, grass-fed things, mostly organic things. There's a couple things you can get around there, but for the most part, whatever you can do, but trying to get the best types of foods, the safest foods, the healthiest

foods within you. And then, yes, there are some sort of supplemental things that you need to look at. You need to be looking at your electrolytes. Everybody needs to make sure magnesium of potassium are in the correct balance because if they're not, you're, how do I say this? Fucked. Right? Because you're going to start having all kinds of problems. Like, electrolyte balance is so important, especially just, let's just talk about heart rhythm.

If you have low magnesium or way too high and you're proportionally off, guess what's going to happen? Heart palpitations, you're going to think you're dying. There's going to be problems. There's going to be all kinds of functioning problems. And if your electrolytes aren't balanced, you're drained like of sodium and salts. There's so many things to look at there. This is universal. You have to be aware of this.

So what I would say is, blood work, I don't care who you are, at least two times a year. You need to be aware. If you don't do that and you put it off, put it off, put it off, put it off, and then something's wrong because you can have things wrong and never know. And then go in one day and it's too late.

You know, the people that go in and it's like, you got a couple months to live and they're like, what? You know, I feel fine. And then all of a sudden it's a downward spiral. You never monitor anything or checked anything. I might be obsessive on how much I check, which that's fine to each their own, but you need to be in tune with that and checking it and making sure. So these are all things of the, because you need to understand your body and how it changes as it ages and things that are going to go wrong. Because you would do that with your car when the check engine light comes on.

If you don't go do it, what's going to happen? So you should be on this clock knowing, okay, I'm a certain age. I better go for, you know, men or testosterone drops or women going through menopause. You know, you need to understand and learn those things. and make sure you're on top of those. But these are universal things. But like I said, it starts, starts here. It starts right up here and getting that balance.

And I'm telling you, once you get in these rhythms and routines, like I said, I never thought in a million years I'd be getting up and going and walking in five degree weather every morning. You know? So just so you know, guys, Dylan was just pointing at his head. Yeah. So, sorry. There is his head. No, that's okay.

Yeah. I forget that there's audio listeners. But yeah, I never thought for in a million years, I'd be doing something like that. And now I can't go a day without it. Literally. I fell one day there was ice under the snow I didn't see. So now I'm looking at the ground every day when I walk. But it was like it was really early in the morning.

It was like 6.30. So it was still dark. And I literally fell. There was ice under the snow. So be aware if you're doing that. But things like that that are so easy. They don't cost you any money. It costs you anything.

So, you know, those are things that I would point out. But, you know, focusing and. caring about your diet that I just don't understand how people don't let it go. And I would say to spend a little bit of time and listen to people talk or learn about, you know, different types of diets. And if anything, just learn about like seed oil, sugars, like things in our foods that you need to be aware of. Because I promise you that stuff accumulates real fast and it happens really fast and it will just degrade your health. It really, really will. Well, you know, seed oils is an interesting one, right? I think that in some ways they get too much attention, but I think it's because

of the package and processed foods. Yeah, I agree. You know, I think that if you're not eating a bunch of package and processed food, so you're not getting them there. No. And every once in a while, you come across, you know, a cold pressed expelers, sunflower oil. Well, that's not the end of the world. It's not going to kill you. No, no, no. But I think there's a, there's an oversawful simplification that's happening right now. And maybe it's because that's the only way to really drive the message home. Yeah. But I think that what people really need to think about is all these packaged and over-processed foods, this is where the dangers really lurk. Yeah. And not to mention the fact that they're hyper-palatable, right? So they're in aid to taste

better than they should. Yeah. And then we lose, you know, our brains are wired for pleasure. At the end of the day. That's what they're wired for. And you know this better than anybody. You've got to be aware of the tricky stuff that is labeled on things. You got to learn how to read a label. You know, and I don't know this guy from Adam aside from the videos I watch, but that Bobby Parrish has an app and it's called Bobby approved and we'll scan it at the store, me and my wife, and it'll tell you, and it's a free app. And on there, it'll tell you why he doesn't approve it and it'll list the things in there that are bad. So at least it's a learning curve. It doesn't cost you and you may disagree with some of it, and that's fine.

I don't agree with everything that he says he doesn't approve, but it's nice for me to look at it and go, because sometimes we go, huh, maybe that isn't good, and maybe that is going to accumulate. And sometimes I go, man, this guy's full of shit. You know, but it's nice data. You're thinking, right? Yeah.

And I think that's part of the process. It's becoming more conscious and more aware. And if you can draw that line to become more conscious and more aware without obsession, which is easier for some people than others, but if you can do that without obsessing about it, it allows you to draw your own baselines and conclusions. Yeah. You know, one of the things that you had said, too,

was the SCT oil as opposed to the MCT oil. So I did an interview with these guys. They're happy, healthy guys. And I love these guys. Like, they're some of the guys that help me with my eating and my metabolism and everything. And they're the ones that turn me on to it because I was just,

getting into arrow pressing and danger coffee and like all of this stuff because i've just been drinking k cups like i didn't even start drinking coffee till like a year and a half ago like never right and then we started doing the k cups and all of this and i'm like they stock you know and i'm i take the time and the pride now to aeropress every day twice a day yeah yeah so um you know the mct oil had me certainly intrigued and i was like shit i'm going to try this before i ever had the opportunity to try it. They gave me this full blown rundown of the difference between SCT oil and MCT oil and the short chain and the high heat and everything that you know and being a short chain that more ability to release more CLA more fat brain and so I thought okay

I literally won't go a day without this shit like I won't go a day without it I love it so much it's like it you know it reminds me of almost like ghee it's almost tastes like clarified butter. Really? Yes. What's it called? Is there a brand? I mean I've, I've I've not heard of it. It's just they are the only ones. I think they have a patent on it. They're the only ones that can even make it. It's SCT oil and it's happy, healthy guys.

I literally will not go. I literally traveled with it. Put it in its own little glass jar and took it with me and my little carry arrow press. Like when I went to A for M and, and yeah, it was with me the whole way. And my, and I, my wife will tell you, like I had everything ground. Like I had it all pieced out. ready like perfectly ready like i won't go without it i will not go a day without it um it is amazing and it tastes so good i just have a serving of it a day i have a half a tablespoon in each coffee i do

two coffees a day nice yeah and then i put in mine i do one of them i do just a little bit of organic maple syrup and some protein powder and then the other one i don't do i only do a little touch of maple syrup every day i'm not a big like sweet i just like it in one but i do a little bit of protein powder and the SCT oil and then arrow press the coffee and boom, that's it. Well, I can promise you that by the time Dr. Yerth has done with you, you'll be putting, instead of the maple syrup, you'll probably be putting some tree halose in your crop. Probably. She has a, she has a really good impression on me. And I tend to listen to damn everything she says. Yeah. Yeah. She'll have you using the tree heloes. It's actually a sugar that's

well, that's found in honey. And interestingly enough about tree haloses, it doesn't, it helps to stabilize blood sugar. So I have a jar of it next to my coffee machine. That's what I put in my coffee. Really? So is it? And it's good for mitochondria. It's, you'll see.

Is it like alias or is it? It's another sugar, right? But it's, it's even better. I think it's quite expensive, which is why you're not going to find it, you know, widely used. But I think I got like a giant bag of trehalos from maybe bulk supplements or something. And it, I mean, it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't wildly. I don't know it. So thank you.

That's always. No, no, ask Elizabeth here. I will ask her, yeah. It'll come up. She's doing cellular medicine with you guys. It will come up. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to email her about it after our podcast.

Tell me. Yes, 100%. Because she had another thing she was telling. Let me see. It was something. I sell water. Have you heard of that? I sell water. That's another thing she was telling us last night. I got to look at. I learned so much shit last night. I'm on overload.

Yeah. Well, that's a beautiful thing. You know, it's a big piece of staying young is never stop learning. No. And what I was going to tell you that you're going to find very fascinating. When I was in school, and this holds true with a lot of the foods I eat now. So most of the foods I eat now, I would not eat. I wouldn't eat like mushrooms, zucchini. None of that. I wouldn't touch it. like my 30s. Now I can't go a day without it. I never would eat peanut butter fish. No nut butter no nothing until I was in my middle 20s. I hated biology. I hated biology so much that I had to take it by itself on a summer course and do it all alone. Now it's the only thing I'm looking into and study. Like that's the only fascination I have aside from nutrition and anatomy and stuff. So

it's wild how things change. But literally everything I thought I hated, I love. And I mean, when I tell you I love it, I can't get enough of the info at all. It's wild. Well, good for you. This is going to be, this is going to be fun, Dylan. Yes. Okay, well, I think that we're up on time. So I would love to invite you to do is to tell people where they can find you and follow you on your continuing journey.

Thank you. And, um, yeah. And then we'll have to talk again. Oh, that's a given for sure. So for every social media site, Instagram is my bread and butter, but Instagram, Facebook, X, TikTok, which I don't. I have a lot of followers, but don't use a lot. It's just at Dylan Jameli. And then the Dylan Jameli podcast is everywhere.

It's on YouTube. I've created my own channel just for that on top of my other channels like Dylan Jameli biohacking. But you can Apple, Spotify, like every audio, there's like 10 of them. It's on, I think, at this point. Yeah. I just RSS feed it everywhere. So that's it. It's pretty simple to find me.

You can't miss it. I'm Dylan Jemeli. That's it. Dylan, it's been a pleasure.