The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #45 Featuring Jonathan Otto! The Light Therapy Episode! The POWER of red light therapy, role in healing, covering the science, proven studie...

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

Episode #45 Featuring Jonathan Otto! The RED LIGHT THERAPY EPISODE! Dylan and Jonathan cover ALL aspects of red light in this highly informative interview. Learn about the POWER of red light therapy, its role in healing, the science behind red light with discussion on proven studies, the role that wavelengths play, cellular health and balance, the effects of blue light on sleep and circadian rhythm, how to select a quality red light device and so much more!! Jonathan has some amazing offers for everyone to have the opportunity to get their own red light therapy devices!!   🔥 Red Light & PEMF Therapy – Advanced Healing at Home 🔥 Experience the most powerful wellness technologies available—designed for real results and backed by science. At MyRedLight.com (https://myredlight.com/), our red light therapy devices feature 9 proven wavelengths (480–1060nm), dual light modes, and the highest irradiance on the market. Use code DYLAN for an exclusive limited-time discount. At MyPEMFMat.com (https://mypemfmat.com/), our PEMF mats are uniquely engineered with built-in red light therapy and far infrared heat, delivering strong frequencies (1–30 Hz), 150+ millitesla field strength intensity, and grounding support for deep cellular regeneration and full-body healing. 💥 Use code DYLAN25 for 25% off individual mats, or DYLAN30 for 30% off bundles.   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Today's episode is sponsored by TIMELINE   To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN _______________________________________________________________________________ Get the Apollo Neuro for $90 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli     TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN     THE BREAKTHROUGH MIMIO HEALTH FASTING MIMETIC SUPPLEMENT!  20% OFF with code Gemelli  https://mimiohealth.sjv.io/c/6588260/3323599/30611     TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast     MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN       HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli     Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com  

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Welcome back to the Dylan Jameli podcast. I am live on set for the very first time in my new home here in Arizona. We've got a great studio that we're at on location. And I have my very first guest is extra, extra special to me today. I have been talking with this man for over a month now, gotten really close with him. We've had some really in-depth discussions that we probably should have saved for the podcast, but it's going to really add to what we've got to talk about today. I can't do this man enough justice. I'm going to try to hit the things that he's done, but we're going to get into

all of your background because there's no way I'm going to hit it all. Anyway, he has done his work with my red light, and that is what I have used and been a part of. And that's what really kind of drew me to you first. And that's his red light therapy. We're going to talk a ton about. He's an author. He does so many different types of work that helps people, looks at diseases to help people. He inspires people. He's done docuseries, I believe, 20, is that correct? 20 that you've gotten awards for.

You've done investigative journalism. I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And we're going to get into all of that and more. I'm just proud to call you my friend and somebody that I've gotten close to. So everybody, Jonathan Otto. Thank you so much, Dylan. I appreciate you, bro. I was really kind of you truly and the feeling is mutual and I think you really know that

people that are following your work know how special you are truly and and how fortunate they are your insights are profound and I think there's going to be a really fun conversation I agree I mean we've had a million of them but this is going to be awesome I know I said I've been talking to you for a while but to meet you in person it's definitely even cooler and the fact that you took the time to fly in here to see me it was important that you're my first guest live here and I'm excited, bro. And so I know that you have another flight to get out to. And so I want to take advantage of all this time.

So I rattle off a bunch of things they actually do. All right. That's a lot. Yeah. And I don't know a lot of people that do that many things. My wife has given me a hard time because I take on so many things. And it seems like we're very identical. Yeah, we do.

First, let me just kick back and start with your background. Yeah. Like, kind of, you don't have to go to your whole childhood or anything. how you grew up, what inspired you to take the route that you've gone because you're doing so many different things, but they have a real cause behind it. And I've noticed that with you that there's a real meaning behind it. A lot of people are money driven or fame driven. You don't come across any of that. Well, first thing, thanks for just seeing that. And hopefully to least remotely true, right? I really want to be somebody that leaves an impact and that has an impact. I think that you think

about suffering and you think about how much pain that people go through and it's you put that up against fame or money and you see somebody say goodbye to their lifelong you know wife or husband way too early or you see somebody lose their child to chronic disease or just have their life ruined at an early age or a child that can't speak because they're autistic and then you just think okay well look you know me having this many cars or this type of car or this type of house the motivation then becomes so weird and there's so much meaning and purpose and I believe there's just that's where the happiness is found. So I started to feel that at a really young age,

which I'm just really grateful for that. I was under the age of 10. I think I was seven. My mom had seen me just weeping. I was crying because I'd seen this commercial as World Vision. I ended up becoming an ambassador for them by age 17. And it was children in famine. And so I'd never seen this kind of thing before.

Who would? You live in a normal suburban Australian home. You're right. And yeah, there's the Australian accent. And then you see children. They've got different skin color, but they look like me. And then they've got these, they're just skin and bone.

I am. And it wrecked me. And I felt like if I didn't do anything about it, that it would, I'd just be like walking away from some injustice that I felt like I had to do something. My mom was super smart. And like, so instead of, you know, she's seeing me crying, instead of just telling me like, it's okay, don't worry about it. And the next thing that she did, which was really smart when I said, we need to sponsor

a child because that's what the voice said. It said, a child doesn't have to live like this. You can save this child. You can help them by sponsoring a child. So I knew in my mind that I could sponsor a child. trial and I could help this situation. But she said, well, you need to learn how to make money. Hence why, and I did. And so we sponsored two children for the next 15 years. It was delivering newspapers. So then I ended up like thinking, okay, well, how do I gain skills to make a difference?

And so I became an ambassador at age 17. So around that time, I was awarded young citizen of the year and international ambassador of the year by the Australian government because again, I didn't even apply for those things. They were just things that like others that were seeing what I was up to my mission was very clear. It was like, okay, let's try to solve these big problems at the time. It was HIV AIDS and things like that. I think about it a little differently now, but there's a bit of a cliffhanger. But, you know, human trafficking, human starvation. But then I, so I got degrees with those backgrounds for journalism. And so that was the reason. And so then it was to uncover these issues. And that was this mysterious linchpin together with, okay, what if I went

deep into the medical arena? Because my health was wrecked. And I had a lot of, of chronic conditions. I had Lyme disease, cytopeglo, virus, Episthen, Biarrosur, Glangelo fever, chronic boils, chronic Lyme disease, chronic nausea. Yeah, chronic fatigue, though, that was the worst. That was the worst, because you just got no energy to do anything and just feel sad all the time because your body has no energy. Very struggled a lot. So I, that's where I kind of started to gain all these clues, and then, like, you look back. And so I got a couple of degrees and they, they, they push me more into that journalism side of things. And, and, but then I ended up in, um,

As a producer for a documentary series called The Truth About Cancer. And so I'd been in a lot of my own health research. Do you know the name Barbara O'Neill? She's well in some of the audience that are going to know who she is, but she was the famous Australian naturopath that was kind of exiled from the country. And she's one of the most sought after natural paths in the world. But she was my mentor, she was a natural bat to me when I was in Australia. So I started to get all these really big clues into very niche, fringe information that were

very helpful. And then I went into about close to 12 years ago into this. documentary, The Truth About Cancer, producing for them and traveling around the world and understanding from hundreds of doctors what was going on, and then come full circle. Like, I actually just came back from Tijuana, but I've been, like, whether it's places like the Hope for Cancer Center, other clinics, like, well-known clinics around the world, now ask me to come and consult with their doctors, teach them various things that I've discovered to help them in their treatment of their patients based on results that we're finding, hence

why, you know, our conversation in unique condition that you were battling with. and why I believe that it's going to be, and you'll be able to voice this as time goes on, that it's so effective and it's going to work completely. And we'll see, right? But I've seen that so many times, but that's the reason why I get sought after that way. So, yeah, that's amazing, man.

I remember those commercials when I was a kid, and it's kind of like, you don't want to see it. You can't make that reality out because it's like, whoa, it's scary and it freaks you out. I still remember, too, seeing that and feel in a certain way. And I think that's a testament just to kind of like the interpersonal and what you have. And I like the things that you said. But it's funny because, well, it's not funny, but it's common that every single person that I talk to, including myself, that is really into the health field, it tends to be because we had our issues that we had to deal with or somebody we loved had the issues. And that's what kind of inspires, not saying everybody, but most people that are super passionate that do a lot.

it seems like it's like something triggered it and caused it within. Yeah. You know, and so it makes you want to find the problem and help others, you know, to prevent them from doing it. It's not just about yourself. It's about other people. And I think that's kind of where what you're doing now comes in is you're all about others.

I've noticed that every conversation we have, you're talking about helping somebody and then you're trying to get me involved in it because I want to be involved in it. And then we're thinking about how we can help people together. And that was the point of doing this with you and making it a lot. show because it'll be more impactful. I know your background, but I want to talk about the red light because we got a lot to get an issue about it. Red lights are a dime a dozen. They are. You know it and I know it. There's a lot of companies that are doing some really tricky marketing. I'm not going to name names, big names that I think don't have the right intentions or don't have the right technology. Don't have the

right understanding. First, I want to just focus on the brand. What does it represent? What is different about your brand. And then we'll talk about the science behind it, but I want to talk specifically about the brand and what makes it stand out, what makes it different. Wow, that's beautiful, man. Well, Red Life is, so cool to get asked a question like that. Yeah, you're good, man. Red Life is, is about transformation, right? But everyone would say something so basic like that, but you think about if it was just to kind of run with something that may be popular, but it doesn't necessarily work. So it just gets kind of, that's how it's developed and it doesn't have any of these things in mind. But what if, what if it was to take all the studies that exist and the foreign in all

the clinical, clinically proven wavelengths that are, that are the most effective for all different conditions and then to put all that in one device. And then the whole point in doing these types of things are stacking the highest irradiens using the right chip so that you have the right amount of power to live into the cells and having a dual component. So obviously this is technical. The whole point is because I want this to work so well with somebody. And then, and then, and then, and then this whole thing of how, like, health is often only accessible to the ultra wealthy.

And there's something so wrong about that. And there are times when you see somebody like Steve Jobs who had every resource of his fingertips on the world's wealthiest man, but it's still, like he still couldn't get the treatments that he needed. And sometimes, you know, sometimes the answers is simple. And I think it's just awesome when all people can access health.

So Red Life also stands for that. And that's the reason why we would make something that we could have charged 10 times the price for available, you know, whatever that difference is, but like you, you're looking at how you can make sure that people can get their hands on that versus to do that in a way that made it inaccessible to the people that needed it the most.

That's what it stands for. I love that. And I always ask and care about what brand representation is, and I care about the person how they answer that question and how they look when they're answering it, how generic or fluff it may sound or how passionate behind it is. If you don't have that type of reason to resonate,

with people and explain it, I cannot take you serious that you actually care or that there's a purpose behind it. So I already know that there was with you, but I wanted the people watching to see so that they could understand where you were coming from. So when we're talking about red light in general, I think first, it's kind of fallen into the biohacking sphere. Do you feel like this is some sort of biohack or this is just some sort of should be known science that people practice and use? And look, you and I both know, I would put this under. something you would learn from a naturopathic doctor, right? You're not going to go to a doctor, generally, a GP or anybody in that kind of realm that's going to go, oh, we'll get on a red light.

Yeah. You know, you've got a skin condition or you've got cancer, and I don't want to get into claims. We'll talk about the things you've noticed. You've got psoriasis, whatever, because these are things that we've seen people with, you know, with red light and it help with. And we'll talk about that later. Yeah. But what made you stumble upon red light? Because you're doing all these other things. You're doing investigative work. You're doing docu-series as you're investing into companies. You're doing X, Y, and Z. How'd you find Red Light?

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I remember doing a lot of research on the clinics were getting the best success. And so they were certainly ahead, but they were late to the party. We were all laid to the party in the sense that you look at when the Nobel Prize was won. It was in 1903 for light therapy, reversing disease. Niels Riberg, Finson. He won the Nobel Prize in 1903 for light therapy reversing Lupus Vulgari. So really, how cool is that?

I did not know that. Yeah, so it was so prolific. And then somebody that some people know in their health movement in early like 1900s, it was John Harvey Kellogg, mixed character. Kellogg's Cornflakes, that was his brother, which is not a health food company anymore. It kind of was. But he then advanced that work of Vincent. And they would make these, they were called sanitariums.

They would use these light therapy devices in there in the centers. that they would use like halogen or incandescent bulbs. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, incandescent bulbs. And they would use this and then they would get them to eat the plants that would help activate the light. So they knew this like back then. Right.

So, but the thing that switched me on to it was reading all the studies, dumbling upon some of that. It was going into some of these clinics back, you know, a good 15 years ago and then, and more so 11, 12 years ago and then seeing all these cancer studies and seeing the individuals that were were having great success and putting cancer in remission and seeing that this was something in common, this photo biomodulation. And then I could see that these clinics also were trying to find ways to get the most advanced technology.

And some of them had kind of given up on it in a way because they couldn't get the amount of power delivered even though they knew it was going to be good, but they just couldn't get the power delivery. And so wanted to be a part of that. That's amazing. I love that, man. So, okay, you find the red light, then you decide, okay, I'm going to start my own company. Correct. How difficult was that to do? Because I'm assuming that you have a lot of science behind

the starting of that company that you need to look into. How am I going to develop the proper red light? How is it going to stand out better? How difficult of a process is this to actually do? Yeah. Well, do it right. Yeah. Oh, no. It look, it is, man. And you definitely, you know, advises having the right people being able to soundboard your ideas or having good researches, having your team be able to just, like, bury themselves in studies and present that to you. So you've got a team, you know, having, I've got about 50 people in the company. And so we've just been able to then just tackle different areas. And we've been most well known for the research. So all the documentaries that I've been releasing. And that's where if people look on our,

on our Facebook or like on the ads we're running, you'll see hundreds of millions of views against the films, which is really cool. And some videos will have like 800,000 likes underneath them and things like that. So it shows that people are responding there and during that. So we got most known for the research that we'd be releasing and publishing. So that helped the most. Right. Because then we were naturally looking at a lot of information and data and we had I had good team around me to be able to give me information that they were finding I'd help understand that and then would work directly and with manufacturers to program our devices with the wavelengths that we were finding in the studies and then and then do that run and then try again and then try again until we

could get something that really worked the best so do you guys do your own conduct your own studies I'm sure you extrapolate from other studies too that you look at and see but do you do your own. Well, yes, case studies, yes, but not like peer reviewed, not, not double-blinded studies, right? And like, and what you'll find here's what's interesting. If you look up the studies on the red light devices that they're never specific to the device, which is good because it's, it's designed to not have a conflict of interest. Yeah. And, and so then the companies that we, that we conduct case study based studies, the ones that are, and they then give us great data. So we have that real-time data and I cite all the different amazing case studies that we've uncovered

that we've seen directly, which are profound. The other side of that is something that it would be great to do. I think, but there's a reason why, like, you're talking about sometimes like tens of millions of dollars. Yeah. But we, but we, the cool thing is that we have all that data because of, like, we have, because of the amount of people we're reaching and all that data that comes back to us, that's so helpful. It's bigger than what you could ever do in confined settings, you know, and I don't want to talk about things that I do, but I will get this constantly, this battle with supplements and things and things that I say I observe. And I tell people, when I'm dealing with thousands and thousands of people and I'm seeing it firsthand, I'm going to take that

over data that somebody can go put out that's BS and, you know, fix however they want. Question, because I'm sure people watching are curious, what's the difference between a double blind study and a case study? What isn't the difference there so people understand? Oh, yeah, absolutely. one would be, I will give you an example, it's Lancet Oncology, published a study, which was 413 participants on prostate cancer with red light therapy. It was called vascular targeted photo biomodulation or photodynamic therapy and things. So lots of words here, sorry guys. And so they put two different groups, and one take the red light and conventional treatment.

The other group take the conventional treatment without the red light. Okay. And the reason why that we would use the word blinded would be that, now in this case, as a red light device, I now have to give you a fake light. And so in this case, the outcome was that 13.5% of the people in the control group, the fake light group got, 13.5% got into remission in the two-year period. In the group that took the red light therapy, 49% went into remission. Wow. It's pretty cool. That's staggering. 400% increase, four times the greater likelihood of becoming cancer free. Wow. That's amazing. And so, case.

study then is just like what you observe. They're reporting things to you or what you see or here. I mean, there's no real structure. It's just differentiation from person or person. Exactly, which could be very accurately detailed. And so those reports then are scientific as well. And they, but they stand in that fashion. And so that that data is then very helpful. And then it also can be very statistically relevant in that it can be observed in similar scenarios over long periods of time, etc. but but yeah and then it also gives you that okay this has been done as achieved and it also gives insight to go into doing these other studies but again there are studies that don't exist yet and that people need to make themselves the study like if i could tell you like i'll give you an example

uh red light therapy for thyroid disease is amazing uh there's a chronic autoimmune thyroiditis clinical study uh and there was 15 participants of that the group that took the light therapy were actually just i'm not sure if this one was double blind or not but i do know this fact about it that they had 10 sessions over five weeks. 47% of them at a nine-wide follow-up didn't need livothoroxin synthroids anymore at all. If I was producing it naturally, the LP4, and then everyone had a reduced rate of intake. And that was only five weeks.

And they were off it now for almost an entire eight months. It's wild, man. Now, so then that's with chronic autoimmune thyroiditis, which most of these are going to be hypo underactive thyroid. But now if you look into research, Google, and you say, what about Graves disease? And they'll say, we don't really have any data on this. But I could tell you data that I've seen.

I could tell you Shannon. I'll give you names of people that have witnessed using our products, where she and her friend Elizabeth were thinking, like, what do we do? She's bedridden because of Graves disease. And she was formerly an athlete. And then now she can't hardly walk. And her markers are super bad. And her doctors say give up any dream of ever competing again in a marathon.

Right. And then her friend Elizabeth says, you know what Jonathan would say? You know, he would just say to get in front of that. light and just get your body in front of you get your thyroid in front of it and this was over all her organs so brain to groin area and then naturally a thyroid is against it and like just do it every day let's do it for a half an hour an hour and let's get close to it and um and she they're probably about three inches away that's typically what i'm saying so in two and a half weeks she goes and competes in the boston marathon really true story wow what's graves disease for people that we're hyperactive

thyroid so the thyroid is overactive and so then some of the symptoms would be bulging eyes and then weight lost instead of weight gain. Okay. Yeah. And the thyroid is just very sensitive and so it's going to get messed up and then not be able to produce the hormones properly and then any imbalance will go one way or the other. And then the people with hypo just like doesn't matter what they do. They can't lose weight. The people with hypo they just, they're losing too much weight and then every other problem associated with it. But I've even heard from doctors that they, whenever but generalization, but they see schizophrenic patients, but if they fix their thyroid,

they turn that around to the wind. Yeah, dude, it's pretty real. Yeah, thyroid issue. That's a whole other topic, but they're very problematic. I've took a deeper dive into that too. And to know that that's helpful by a red light is amazing amongst the other things. We got a little bit of background on a little bit of why you found a little bit of science there. Let's talk about some of the bad actors and get that out of the way. Oh, yeah, because I don't want to dig too deep into that. I bring up names of any kind whatsoever, but I do want to talk about what things people need to look for to keep themselves safe and protected from buying a, I'll watch my language, a BS red light. What are some things to look for marketing-wise and then maybe structurally wise that would

be a clear indicator of, okay, I should stay away from this. Because, I mean, you believe in yours. I know I believe in yours, but you also don't want to act like it's the only good one. But there's far more bad ones than good ones, just like with supplements, just like with a lot of things. Protect people. Yeah, that's awesome, man. I think that, and I love what you're saying, like, I want there to be lots of great companies. Yeah.

Right? Because you can't, no one company can serve the whole world. So they don't, and if they really care about putting an end to disease in the world, then they should celebrate other companies. And we should all compete with each other in a good way to make our products better and more competitive in their pricing and all kinds of things, all really good. And so there are good companies and there are bad companies. And then maybe they are bad just because they don't know.

and maybe they're bad because they just don't care and I don't know. I'm me to judge. And then there's this middle zone where it is even if it was a bad company, it's possible you'd still get results, which is cool. But I said possible. I didn't say that it definitely would be. And I'm not even saying that it's unlikely. I don't think it's unlikely.

I don't think it is likely. I don't know. But it's very possible because you're looking for the right wavelengths and you're looking for irradiance. Okay. So an irradiance is the amount of power delivered. It's the amount of milliwats, typically, it depends how you measure it, but milliwats delivered per centimeter squared.

If you have the right amount delivered, then you can have the intensity that you need in your body so that your body can use that for all the purposes related, largely to do with mitochondrial function, but not exclusively, and heavily to do with oxygen, how the body produces oxygen goes through critical phases of cellular respiration, which involve cytokromacy oxidation, nitric oxide signaling. So lots of cool nerdy things there. I love it. Yeah.

The cells breathe and that's crazy to think about that. And that what you do with lies, you're shooting straight into the cells and helping them to breathe. Yes. Cool is that. That's amazing. And then you'd say, okay, well, breathing. It sounds interesting, like, breathe meditation. But it's, it's so important. You can live how long without food. You can live how long without water. You can live how long without oxygen. So now why is, why do you think that may be the most essential thing and deliver at a cellular level? It's part of the reason why chlorine dioxide solution or chlorine dioxide is so influential. And that, by the way, so just, you know, I love to give away information that people can use and utilize for free with that.

And I will never sell chlorine dioxide. There are people in jail for educating on this and selling it. So I'm educating and not selling it and other people can sell it and not educate. the reason why you can buy is because it's a water purifier, but I'm just, what we educate people on is just taking a high, like, it's still a very low dose, but it's a higher dose than what you'd use to purify water. Anyway, the reason why that's so powerful is because when you're drinking that throughout the day, you're delivering around 10,700,000 oxygen molecules for every red blood cell in the body. By the way, that's what Mel Gibson was talking about when you referred to three friends that went into remission. I've got to be careful with what words, because these two things together don't will go well on major platforms. that solution that I just talked about and the big C word, if that gets talked about,

there is a reason for that because it works and it is the biggest threat to the industry and it costs nothing. And you can look at books like Andreas Calca's, forbidden health, achieved health. Is it basically the same book? But you can look for that, gives you all the protocols, you can be done from home, and you could use it for all types of diseases. And because it's the oxygen-based therapy, what disease should you not use oxygen for? I'm laughing because 2002, and you know, the internet was very sparse back then. I was doing what I could. I was in college. And I wrote a paper and I still remember every last bit of it. And I'll tell you why and how it relates to what you're saying and why this is pertinent. So I did a study. I always, always, always have believed that God has put a cure for everything here. I fully believe that. I don't care what science. I don't care what textbooks is. I don't give it. I don't care. I don't care. I don't give it. I don't care. I don't care. I

I know in my heart, right? So I did this paper and I was looking at incurable diseases. So at the time, more prevalently discussed HIV, herpes sexually transmitted disease. And I found this study in Germany. I don't know how I found it on the internet this time. I was very, very persistent in digging. And where I found was that they were treating it and smothering diseases with oxygen therapy. And it was killing them because they couldn't survive the amount of oxygen that was given to them.

And this was like something that I dug and dug. and dug and dug and found it. I'm sure I have the paper somewhere in my storage when we just moved. But this was like 2002 and I wrote it and I got a good grade on it back then because it, you know, it didn't matter back then to write that type of thing. Nobody was going to get that out. But I found it and it was oxygen therapy treatment and it crushed and killed the disease. And yet it's still, they want to sell you all of these drugs that'll mitigate and suppress,

suppressive therapy. So I can't remember. I think it's called Valsiclivir or something like that. that will stop like or mitigate herpes and I can't remember the exact name. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And then the HIV drugs have changed obviously and there's different things now. But that's what I found and that's why I was so fascinated with the oxygen side. Wow.

And like you're talking about that I don't know that those type of viruses can survive. Exactly. And instead, and as bad as this is, they'd rather not only put you on suppressive therapies that make you miserable but harm you in the process. Well, because a lot of these medications are, hurt you. Wow. They might help you in one way and hurt you 20 different other ways. I talk about this with stat. Oh yeah. And I will leave that alone because that makes me public enemy number one. But I'm a firm believer in that. So I see when you talk about red light that it kind of has that

kind of effect where it's probably has the ability to cure a lot of things or at least help treat things that they may not love us talking about. You got it right. Exactly. So we got to be careful in the platforms. You're right. So what I just did was Taylor, this and I'll answer your question because I kind of left you cliffhangle there. So this has chlorine dioxide, which is not chlorine, by the way, it's just sodium and chloride, sodium, salt, chloride salt, activated by hydrochloric acid, which your gut has. And it's a better to 25% concentration of sodium chloride, hence why it has this off-gassing potential with oxygen.

So I'm going to ask your lovely bride here. Hey, Queenie, do you mind for a second? So she's going to take this outside for a second, so it gets direct sunlight exposure because it's contained here. But as soon as you see that fog up, let it fog up for a while. Like when I say a while, like a minute or two. And then if you don't mind come back, he goes, okay, sorry to put your wife to work. No, she's okay.

She's fine. Is that the, well, we'll get into, I want to talk about the protocol you put me on. I'm going to leave that alone for now. That's a different topic that we'll talk about. So do you find it difficult or do you find it gratifying that you have answers? Or do you find it difficult to put them out there? Or do you take pride in that? in doing it and how careful, because I know how careful I have to be, and sometimes I just don't give it.

Yeah. Because we're at a point now where I think more people have now opened up to the fact that we don't have all the information we should have, or we maybe have gotten bad information. And we have a little bit more wiggle room to speak freely now than we ever have. It's still not great, but it's better than it was. Better than it was three or four years ago, I'll tell you that much right now. Do you take pride in that, that you have those answers? Or do you think it's a curse to have those answers. I mean, I'm, you know, because I think it feels good internally to know, but then it can be scary at the same time.

No, I appreciate you asking, man. It's a crown and a cross at the same time because you have so much hope and joy in that, like, for example, we're here. And I know that I believe, and you'll have to see this real time, that what I share with you will actually help turn around that condition. It could be a fatal condition. You heard me even, like, warning, but then in a gentle way,

just being like, hey, it's actually really serious. And I'm not saying it's just this one way. There's a few therapies that will work with this, but it's so important. You go after this. And that was me seeking to drive into you some kind of compliance, right? Not that you weren't going to be, but it's just, you know, you got to give vision and direction. And now here's the hard part. What about all the guys that didn't get to have that conversation, didn't get to know that?

What about when I didn't know about those things? What about all the people I buried when I didn't know about things that I wish weren't in the grave right now? and, you know, I believe I'll see them in heaven. But I would love to be with them now. And what about all the families? Like I got a four-year-old and a six-year-old. What about all the families that don't get to have all those precious moments because their life is cut short?

And so that's the hard part. So my responsibility that I feel like so responsible for being for being integrous with getting the message out and then doing it in the way that can reach the most amount of people. And it's part of the reason why, for example, when it was actually RFK Jr.'s doctor, Dr. Rashid Bhutah, that gave me a. call after two years of me going back and forward with him saying, I need to find out a way to help reverse this thing that people are putting in their bodies that is giving them this reaction

because of this big scare that has happened. And then this is being mandated. And then some people thought it was great a other people felt forced, whatever. And now they're injured. And a lot of people died. And then these people that are injured, how do I help them? Rashid? When he said, there's no way to help them. It's genetic. And so you can't do anything about it. And I would just delete those sections out of the videos. I'd never air that section that he would say, because I'm like, you don't say, you know, you don't know that. And so I, once he called me and said, look, Jonathan, I've got an answer. It's urine. And I thought he was crazy, but I couldn't stop thinking about it because if it was true, it would, it could help save a lot of lives because of the universal accessibility of it.

What if it is a medicine? Yeah, cool. Thank you so much. Right. Look at this. See that. Yeah, I see it. It looks like smoke. Yeah, that's oxygen. Really? So, like, you could sit in a hyperbaric and spend a bunch of money and sit in line and or you could just drink oxygen all day. Funny thing might be better. I'm going to roll with the cheap mode and do the drinkable oxygen. It's probably better. Yeah, consistent. Like, yeah.

It's like, imagine just in holding it for a long time, you've got to have consistent oxygen in the body. And then, but the cool thing about Lyon, red light therapy is when it charges the cells. And so a mitochondria receive light, produce ATP, adenosine triphosphate, which is triphosphate, phosphorus, it's a fluorescent substance. That's the reason why there's so much phosphorus in urine, which means bringer of light. Your body is producing fluorescent substance is magical, it's amazing. And then, but it stores that energy. And as it stores that energy, it's using it for all cellular function, everything. What do you mean? Like cellular repair, regeneration, stem cell reproduction, regeneration, stem cell maturation, stem cell maturation, mitochondria are in the

stem cells. It's called the mitochondrial stem cell connection. So you're charging those to go fulfill their destiny, go, little guy, go come an eye cell, go become a heart cell. And then what are cancer cells, the ones that just can't get there? I don't have what I need. You're a bad kid. You're never going to be anything. He stays stuck in this middle zone. So it's a cancer stem cell. And it doesn't mature. And so they, what do they lack? Cancer cells lack energy. They're less lack cellular voltage. That's the number one. And they lack oxygen. And then, yeah, there's antibodies cytokines. There's hormones. They lack these things as well. And that's something called re-differentiation therapy, you're causing a cancer stem cell to form back into a stem,

like to actually form back into a normal stem cell and then to become a regular healthy cell, right, heart cell, which your body can naturally complete those processes, and hence why we look at regenerative therapies versus carbone poison. Anyway, so to answer your other question, so the things to look for in a like a light device, number one is irradiance, the amount of power delivered. How much power is delivered and, and is it adequate? So that's, again, measured by milly watts. Typically, milly watts per centimeter squared at certain intervals, like three inches. So what we do with ours, we put them over 200, like 200 million watts per centimeter squared, which is super interesting considering, like, there are $150,000 devices that are 50

million watts per centimeter squared. And I just think it's not that they were bad. It's just that they were good at a time, but technology evolved. Yeah. And then they kept. And then they kept. kept the same process why change it it's working it's selling why change the model well you should yeah and because it's more affordable now there's with these breakthroughs and technology and they cost nothing to run as well because there's no like there's really zero or not zero but very low energy consumption but number one thing you're looking for is irradiance the amount of power to live it number two is you're looking for wavelengths so the certain wavelengths will go through to certain levels of the body yeah so people know of infrared and they think of infrared and they think

of a sauna and red light is the same, it's just completely different. Infrared sauna is far infrared, which is great. The mitochondria don't see any of that light. It's going into the water. Your water is picking that up and it's raising the core body temperature. So then you can increase your immune system by doing that. So it's a good therapy. But it does nothing in the mitochondria. But if you've got the optical window, which is 600 to 1100 nanometers, red would be around the 600, 700s, and then by 800s and up, then now it's invisible, but it's near infrared. So it's still red, but it's near. And then once you get past 1100, it's mid, and then goes into fire into the thousands.

But then everything in the, the 600s is getting through the dermis and just slightly towards the epidermis and then into the subteratineous tissue and muscle, bone, interior tissues. So it will get fire infrared, sorry, nearerpharet, up to 1100 will go straight into the bones. And so what we did was we just programmed it with all of these critical wavelengths. We put all nine. We were 485, 90, 630, 6.60, 6.70, 8, 10, 8, 38, 50, 1060. So we would cover these wavelengths. And it became really important as I went through the studies.

I looked at a red light therapy study on breast cancer where they tested four different wavelengths. They tested 615, 630, 660 and 730. And so you would think, okay, well, they're probably, they're very similar. Maybe they're all going to perform similarly. Yeah. And that's where I would have. Close enough, yeah. There's only one that were.

It was 660. Really? And it dropped the breast tumor proliferation by 40. 40%. Why? In 24 hours in both triple negative and non-triple-negative breast cancer in PubMed, because it's that region in the body. So it's like a bull's eye, right? So if I wanted to get into your center of your eyeball, I couldn't do that with 670, even though it's proven for myopia and it's a 17% improvement in eyesight in three minutes. Three minutes of exposure immediately observed as 17% improvement in ISAC, but if I was trying to get deeper into the eye, I'd have to use

810, 830, 8.50. I see. And if the disease was, was there. If I didn't use that right wavelength, I'd miss the target. I'd be like an archer that's shooting over it or under it. Yeah. I get it. Pretty correct. It's target. It's targeted. Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool. Man, that's oppressive. All right. So, good data. I appreciate that insight. Now, then let's kind of look at, well, one, I want to compare it to the sun. Okay. So when is the best time? I'm big on getting out early in the morning and the sun first thing in the morning for 20 minutes at least. For me personally. I feel. that that's good. I've noticed the changes. When do we need the red light and how often do we need

the red light therapy? And I understand that like for me, you told me you need it more right now to treat this condition. I'm just talking about the average in general person. Let's leave conditions out because that's going to be, that's going to be all over the place. Just a normal daily people. Exactly. So I would say, yeah, and so and you led with sun, so with sunlight exposure, Sunlight exposure is amazing. In an ideal world, the best protocol would be one where you used both sunlight and like a red light therapy defying. That's what I'm talking.

Yeah. That's really cool. Not many people are talking about that. They're only kind of saying one or the other. And you're like, I didn't know about these devices. We should be the sunlight. And the other guys on the devices are like, afraid of the sun. Use the device.

And they're kind of shills because they want to make people afraid of the sun. But it's all based on sunlight technology. So why would you say that? But I don't know if many people are saying that. But it's easy. like because if you just want to do that in your marketing, you just scare people off the sun. But red. So like think about when the sun is red.

It's twice a day. And this gives you indications on how much you can use the device and how little you can use it. So twice a day, you've got red in the sky. And it's red for, I don't know, we could Google it like 30 minutes or something. Fort Lee or already five minutes. Yeah, sunrise, sunset. So you see that red tint. So your body can can like actually handle quite a lot.

So you could do 30 minutes twice a day, 40 minutes twice a day. you could, but who has that time, not everyone. And if you look at studies, now let's go on the other side of the pendulum. Birmingham University studies studied one minute exposure. And a lot of the fertility studies were even over the testicles for one minute, and you can look at all these really interesting one minute studies, which are profound. And that's the interesting thing as well. We have so much data on the devices, even though it doesn't tell you the brands in the studies. And there's a reason for that. It is giving you higher irradiance, much higher irradiance. And it's giving you that exact

concentration. I give you an idea. Like we, I've got a device here and 90% of the power is going into into the light and 10% is going into the heat. Okay. But you've been on it, you felt heat, right? Yeah. So what does that tell you for how much light is going in your body? When it only counts for 10%, right, you're sweating still, like depending on how close you are. And so, and you don't have to sweat. It depends how close you have. If you're a foot away, you weren't sweat at all. And you can be and you'll get a great session still. But if you're three inches away, we're right up against it. And again, people are, like, freaking out, like, he's not doing it with goggles.

Well, I've looked at the studies, and my eyesight is, you know, perfect. But, but, you know, do your own research. If you want to feel comfortable and confident with that, you want to have talked about that. Birmingham University study showed a minute of exposure, increased cell viability by 45%. So, meaning the functioning of cells is increased by 45%. So why not just find that one minute or at least every two days because what would happen would be, Like I cited a red light study that was twice a week, 20 minutes twice a week. So that's all that they gave up of their time.

So don't be a perfectionist. And if you got three minutes, do it. And if you're like hardcore and you're, especially if it's in the morning, but eye study was eyes open. And then think about getting in your eyes and what to charge your brain and what it does to your oppression levels. The studies on depression were showing specifically that even after an hour of red light exposure, they had an improvement in their depression.

And then an hour after that, then they had a more significant. it's good improvement. So it's stacking and it climbs. So it's, you think that you're in front of this, it's treating you while it's in front of you. It's not. What it's doing is it's giving you, storing up the energy and it is helping you during it. But what it's doing is for the next day, three days, it's going to be releasing all the red light that you put into it. Like what was produced by the red light that you put into it. So let's just say you do it twice a day, like five minutes a day. It doesn't have to be all in one setting, right? To get the benefits of it, it's not like doing cardio or you want to build your endurance level. Right. Okay. So,

easily you could do it. Is it fine to do it right out? Like, so let's say I go for my 20 minute walk in the morning. I get home. I come inside. Should I then flick it on and do a couple minutes? That or wait a little bit? What do you think? Totally, man. Do it whenever it works for you, whenever it feels good to like put it on. What about sleep? Does it help us sleep? Amazing. And especially like the study specifically on that were to do it just before you went to bed, like maybe 30 minutes before 10. But you would like, for example, this has this has blue in it. And I'll put that in. There it is there. I just put it. on all settings. So that's nine wavelengths. That's 480. And so blue is the best for skin rejuvenation

and circadian rhythm, but still you don't do it at night. You have to replicate the sun. Sun is never blue during the night, red, just before it goes. And then you could literally go to bed, think about it right after the sun went down, which means you just saw red and then you went to bed. So that's what you're biologically designed for. But then you'll see blue once the day picks up and so the sun is blue mostly during the day that's why the sky is blue okay so what what what what about the blue light glasses then that block this blue uh yeah dude this is interesting so because you're saying turn down that blue and then other people are saying block it all day exactly so this is really interesting so there is a myth to this you like if all blue light was bad

then no one look at a rainbow it'll hurt you the blue right nobody gets sun during the day and then there's these other thing of sunglasses during the day most of the biohackers will still say sunglasses aren't great for you because they're blocking your ability for your body to protect itself against and you know and for your eyes like solar panels so you're blocking that and there to have welly function and effect etc so it's the consistency that's the thing okay so if these lights all these lights in this home it's not your home i mean well it's your studio it's your studio so i i don't mind saying this probably all LEDs that have a high flicker rate All right. And because of that, it's the damage. So imagine if I came in a room I was flicking light on and off.

You ask constantly. It would damage your eyesight terribly. But you can't see that it's doing that, but it is. And so now it's blue as well. So now the flicker rate is getting the bad press for what the blue light has done. Well, the flicker rate is causing the harm. The blue light is not the thing that's causing the arm. But because of that, it is possible that these blue light blockers are still helping people because it's at least blocking. the blue so that their high flicker rate that they're getting is at least being somewhat absorbed or that the blue in the evening, even if it's non-flicker, it still might make people stay up because it's not in biology. Hence why you would take it out during the evenings, which I'm going to take out now. I wore these blue light glasses from a very, very big name brand. And I mean, And it just ruined my sleep for like three weeks to where I was sleeping three hours tops and I was waiting. And I could not fall back to sleep.

I felt like I was doing dry. I don't know what it felt like. I mean, like stuff I hadn't even felt before. I could not go back to sleep. I fell asleep, but I was up. I was up. It was like three, four hours. And it took me like a month to get out of that phone.

Right. Then I talked to another place that said you don't block the blue light. You harmonize the blue light with these certain lenses and glasses. And then it was one thing in another. Then they got you wearing these red light things at night that seemed to screw me up and that block everything at night, you know, and all of these different companies telling you this. I just said, man, I'm done with all of this. I am done with all of it. I think that messing around too much is blocking too much and too much of that.

I think it would be better to just limit your screen time at night. Yeah. You know, or limit some of the things that you're doing. I mean, I work on a computer all day, so maybe there's some things I need to be careful with. Maybe not. I don't know. Yeah. But I think when you start blocking things.

out and eliminating them, you're creating more problem. Would you agree? Yeah. No, that's super interesting. It's like you proved my point, which is really cool that you're like, hold on a second, they're blue because this assumption that all blue light is bad is harming us because if you look at studies on 480, which is the peak of blue around there, they're actually even proven for neonatal care. So babies in a womb get a great response from blue light. This is the exact opposite what you're saying. And these are clinical studies and the fact that they could even conduct a study on a, on a baby. in the womb, they kind of rare these studies because they don't do anything that will harm naturally. You know, we're kind of, a lot of us, I do this, a lot of people do it where it's like,

you hear one thing is bad and it's like you go completely overboard. Kind of like the cholesterol. Yeah. They want you to just crush your cholesterol. It's like, man, that's super harmful. Yeah. Like, okay, you don't want it crazy, but at the same hand, you don't want to completely eradicate it. It's like guys that use steroids and they crush their estrogen, you know, with estrogen blockers,

and then they wonder where they're so messed up. And it goes hand in hand with everything. So I'm glad that you did that because I wouldn't even have known it. We probably wouldn't even have talked about it. Yeah. And so, okay, you did that. What kind of settings are on this light and why? Well, um, okay, so if you got nine wavelengths, you have the ability to change

everything ideally, which is the case. And so you could take anything out or add anything or with nine being the most. Then you could add any, but they, and naturally are going to be there if like you hit a setting, which is like all, that's an example one. So your light has nine yablanx. Okay. Yeah, exactly.

And so I'm sorry, just blasted you. What you could do if you just, you know, if I didn't shock you so much then, you're just like, and now you're adjusting to it. So now if I, and again, people do their own research, but if I hit something like settings here and I look at bright, there's sort of giving me the opportunity to look at all those wavelengths that I was talking about, which is from 480, 590. And these are, like, they're very much skin related.

and then 630 up they're getting into deeper but still going into the skin so very effective for that and then the 800s in the red and nearer for red but so i could dim everything for example and just take down and just say look it's just too much intensity for me or whatever and so you can do that if you want or you could just go through and just say hey look for whatever reason i've read xyz study and i just want to take out this wavelength and you can't but there's really no need to do that unless you have some knowledge on that and the only one i'm saying is the blue so you would just select a mode that has that extracted from it or individually take it out. And then outside of that, you can use some of some of the settings that relate to,

for example, like ones that we programmed for pets and just, yeah, so we got a lot of pets that have a good life. I've heard about it. It's so cool, man, because a lot of people are, like, they don't have enough money to be spending on every family member and every pet. And this is one, Lord of the Rings, one ring to rule them all. And then everyone can do this and then no reorder, right? right right right it's like oh they're getting they get cartridges to fill them back up again like this air filter

this thing is cost to be a lot every month or every year but this is like a one and done and and so that's the other thing to look for like uh like longevity so 50 000 really life span hours at fdaqq class 2 certified 50 000 hours 30 minutes a day if one person it's it's over 200 years that's unrealistic but right uh because they could be in weather factors and things like that but they're they're designed that way like LEDs are very durable if they're high quality which is thing like no flicker this is where dr dan pomper he did extensive testing on our devices he's like brodie's the best and he did some videos for me which is really cool i'm going out to film with him on november yeah that's awesome yeah yeah yeah he's great man oh that's awesome yeah and they said he had his

emf guy come in there and they're on the emf devices scoring you know perfect zero and so no emmph's coming out that's the other thing but you have instructions on the wavelengths for people then so they understand what they're doing or like so yes it's in the book and um there is some really, yes, so there, there's an instruction manual, so it's there, right? So people can look at that stuff. And, and then, you know, our team, we do, like, there are lots of, like, webinars, and we do lots of training and teaching. Yeah, because I don't want people to feel scared or, like, because we're talking sciencey and we're talking things, and I want them to realize it's not difficult to use or easy if you just, you just turn this thing on. I even tell people,

don't even set up to stand, just get it out of the box, don't know, rebank it, right? Just, just plug it in and then just sit against it and just, just put it on you. And it's, yeah, It's so easy. And like, the only thing I'm saying is like, just think like, okay, well, maybe I don't need to get blue at night. So just hit a mode that doesn't have blue in it. What's too much exposure? I don't want people going crazy.

I've seen some people going, oh, I do this an hour a day. I'm like, man, I don't know. That things are little. Yeah, exactly. There's a time where it can work. But, like, I haven't seen anything showing that an hour is too much. I haven't seen anything to, that it's harmful. And the son of ears read that amount of time.

But I don't like telling people that they need to do that. Because who has that time, not everyone has that time. but look if it works for you and you feel great on that that's a good sign you think 20 minutes a day is a pretty good average it's amazing like it's perfect it's such a great amount of time and and then for me sometimes i'll be like i'll do an hour this day and then i'm then like three days later i'm back on it because i was traveling and it like it's just so think about it you're like how long do you put your phone in and charge it well the good thing is you know that there's a certain amount and then it's charged but if you didn't have a meter on it you would kind of just

charge it when you could because you'd just be like look i'll just yeah And sometimes more can be better for certain things. And if you're way below the line, that you can have that benefit. But then on the other side, you know, if you're close up against it, over your testicles, and there's all these kinds of things to think about it very strategically. And then there's this methylene blue side of things where it's hypersensitizing your cells to light, which is why it's used in all these cancer studies because it's inducing the apoptosis. Light is going to do it in and of itself, like all the studies I mentioned,

that weren't including that. But when they combined that, it was so effective because it's hypersticitis. sensitizing the cells to light, making them more sensitive. So, methylene blue will have a peak absorption at 660 nanometers, which is interesting, same as the cancer study on breast cancer. And then, funny enough, blue light activates curcumin. Really? It's red and blue, blue and red.

Yeah, it's weird. I don't know, but it's rhythms in nature, man. Let me ask you this. So I'm big on cellular health. I've talked to you about that and just learning. I've spent a lot of time now studying cellular health. Another thing that's kind of crazy right now is NAD Liles. And then another thing I'm looking at or asking or thinking about is testosterone level.

Does the red light have any bearing or effect on NAD on testosterone or any other like area that we would see a benefit? You know, level wise internally before we talk about like other conditions and diseases. I'd like the. So yeah, exactly. No, there are some great studies on testosterone with red light because I've heard about that. But I don't know. and I figured if anybody would know you would. I hope so.

And, yeah, so there's great studies on that. And then there's all these interesting crossovers. So if you, you know, you think about something like, you know, post-stroke or, because there's people having massive recoveries post-stroke with red light therapy or people using it for gut-related issues and having tremendous success. And so you just keep going, all these weird categories. And you're like, why is it working for this, this, and this? So there is this thing where there's studies showing like a significant improvement in testosterone.

I'm just pulling up some data on that so I can reference the studies. But because you have to think about it's through cellular energy and it's through causing the mitochondria to generate energy. And then they're using that for all cellular functions. So the answer is always going to be like, yes, it's going to improve things because how do cells do things and that they can do everything when they have voltage to do so they can do nothing without it. Testosterone is a hormone. So like think about the thyroid study I mentioned where the thyroid is naturally producing LT4 by itself without synthroid because it had light to then stimulate the thyroid to produce thyroid hormones and that's exactly what it did. It did

two things. It stimulated the hormone to detoxify itself, which is so cool, a bromine, halogens, fluoride. And so it actually, that's what it did because it had the volumel. alties the cellular energy to go and perform the detox. There are no detox supplements. I have a supplement company, and we do detox supplements, but we don't detox. Supplements don't do that. They initiate the body's processes of it doing it itself. But life therapy is the number one, and it's also anti-parasitic, which is really cool. And an anti-venom therapy, considering, like, you know, some people are going to have to, to me, like a Zempic is an issue. And so when people want to get off these things that are all made us synthetic venoms, they wouldn't want to

you use anti-venom therapies or things that work in a process of reducing inflammation. Glyphosate, the toxic ingredient roundup is synthetic animal venoms based on the patents. The world-leading patent holders. And so we want to get these out through these types of therapies. And then the net impact is once you remove toxins, then you'll get testosterone back. And that's one of the things. It's a toxic drive and it's the cellular function. That's the mechanism.

And the studies are really profound. And to restimulate production that's being locked down essentially because of the toxins in the body that are blocking in production from occurring. Yeah. That's the big hitter. Yep. But not exclusively because it would also be just, it's helping the body generate it. The testosterone, just like the thyroid.

Okay. Or check this out. We're going to do a non-claim segment. I'm going to run down some things and you're going to say, yes, I've seen that. You know, I've witnessed it or heard of that helping this condition. No, I haven't seen that yet, but I'll look into it. Yep. Okay.

Yeah. Does that sound good? Oh, dude, is awesome. And should, do I have to go off memory or can I use these things? You can look, dude? I'm just, I'm curious. I'll see if I can do it. I'll remember that.

I'm curious as to what you've observed because we can't make claims. Yeah, right? I'm curious. All I care about is observations that you've had or things that you've heard or, or from people that you've sold your red light to, from peers, whatever. Yeah. Just some things that you've seen at help with. And we'll get to inflammation last because that kind of ties into my thing. Yeah.

We'll save that for less. So the first thing that I would look at or imagine would be something like psoriasis or axiom up being on the skin yeah anything you've noticed with yeah amazing um really really good um and i'll give a cool clip hangar that i've seen uh urine do amazing things for those steps of things as well and people and on my own self like really bad things right uh this would be an example right well because it's like syriasis though it's just a it's a pitfall like you just feel like it's endless exactly that's that's me with my leg and me putting urine directly into my leg is that an injection yeah

Holy. Is that just like an insulin injunction? Yeah. Of your own urine? Yeah. Really? Dude, I had that for two years and it wouldn't go away. You could see that closer.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then immediately no pain, no itch, gone. And then three days later. Look that, like, that's sterile to do with that. Yeah. Because urine is sterile, sterile like, it came from your body. Like, your kidneys filter 180 liters of blood per day.

Right. And they pass through the kidneys. And then all that urine, it's urine. gets reabsorbed in the body and then one percent of it goes through your bladder and then you pee it out and you go, oh, look at this, toxic stuff. But it went through the same filtration process. What happens when you put it back and you're giving that information

directly to that part of the body? Fill with the antibodies, filled with the urea, the uracines, all the enzymes. They all break down all these things. Information back to the body that's missing that only your body knows that it has. No functional medicine doctors and tests and all kinds of things that you may not be out of afford. Wow.

But I had a way for everyone to get healing. And it's filled with stem cells based on the Wake Forest University study. 140 stem cells in a 24-hour urine sample, age for three weeks, 100 million at a rate of one-time standard paravit. And part of the reason why I'm like, look, this is cool. Okay, so an eczema. So, yes, amazing studies on and data and personal witnesses on everything from acne to eczema, psoriasis, and lipus, and lupus, really great studies on lupus, even though that would be one that you would think that's a major problem. Rosatia.

skin blotches hypohypo or hyperpigmentation anything like because hypopigmentation supposedly you can't fix you just got it's uh uh you have to lighten your skin to make it evened out right yeah there's things like that yeah no hyperpigmentation particularly 590 wavelength which this has uh is extremely good for hyperpigmentation i should know because i've dealt with that dude i mean mine mine's the worst because of my malaysian background my mom my mommy she doesn't do he's done to do right now i need to check in with her but she she grew up with a like lot of stuff like that. I'll see how she's done actually with it. That's rosacea. But yeah, it helped me a lot. Like I, my, my marks were very strong and you could see it in previous videos, all these like really strong. But this is rosation in 21. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was over the course of, uh, 10, uh, five weeks, big reduction in rosacea. People that have skin issues, skin disorders definitely would want to look into this. Yeah, that was this, that was a 68 year old, this same time period. And so that was with rosacea.

So it's pretty cool. What about, uh, neurological? brain fog, lack of sharpness, mental clarity, any help there at all? Profound. And that was there. This one of the studies I'd shared with you from the European Society, European Society of Medicine, showing that all 62 of the participants had complete remission of all symptoms, which included brain fog, executive function, emotional deficits, I guess, memory recall, all those. And that was specifically for their long COV-ID. But those symptoms are in common. And so people experience the brain fog typically because of toxicity that's causing that. And that's why it's good to get off gluten in these things.

But it's an example. Or stick with the ancient grains, iron corn, you know, because of the hybridization, the leaky gut that's caused by that. So, but 60 out of 62 had that complete reversal of all symptoms within a single week. And the other two get better the following week. So it was 100% all got better in that 62 person study, particularly on brain fog, memory recall executive function. and emotional deficits. So in the memory side of things, but then it was oxygen levels above 97%

without supplementation, dysapnea, inability to maintain breath, all resolved. So that's really profound because a lot of people have those, even though it's not diagnosed as that certain condition,

but these symptoms are just symptoms. They're in common. 75,000 different diseases there's not 75,000, there's one. And so it's all in common. That's all. Okay, so,

and I will preface this very loudly that these are not claims being made, These are observances or things that we've heard, right? So, okay, so let's talk about then one that would be an elephant in the room that you brought up earlier that you and I have talked about that you're never supposed to talk about and that would be cancer related. Look, I've seen many different people that have gone far different routes than radiation chemotherapy. One, they had better outcomes. Two, they didn't get into a complete level of misery where they would rather be dead regardless. If that's what you're going to do and I've seen it work.

We've seen it work, but we've also seen it not work. I don't know success rate. I don't have numbers. I'm not that guy. I'm just curious, and I'm always looking for alternative methods or options of treatment. Have you seen or witnessed anything that could potentially or shown to help either with therapy, treating it, putting it into remission, helping cure it, any of those things at all? Have you observed or seen any? Yeah, absolutely.

And I'll do the disclaimer on the word cure, so we'll throw that word out. Right, yeah, exactly. Okay. Yeah. And so you're a mission, yes, and and a lot personally and in clinical studies. And so that's a, that's a beeper too, because it's designed in a way to help you make sure that you're not, you know, getting more than right or that you know that you're doing because you've fallen asleep or because you're so mellowed out because it felt good. But even though it's not dangerous, it's just, and safety time is it good because, like, you've got saunas that don't have time out. Yeah. And they're high heat. So energy. is the one thing, but house fires is big risk. Right. Because that's the, if you're not using LEDs, that's the thing that fall back on. But the irradiance is about maybe around 10 times less, maybe more, like maybe less than

that. So the irradiance amount of power delivered, hence why, because you got more of delivery into the light. Okay, the reversal on that is about 90% into the heat, 10% in the light in the incandescental halogen bulb. There's a big difference. Whereas 90% goes into light in an LED. Hence why it replicates laser technology because it's low flicker, no flicker.

Okay, so here's an example. This is a, that's a pub med study. That's two sessions on a catanus B-cell lymphoma. Oh, two sessions using something called photodynamic therapy, which is an example of that is if you combine Nephane blue. In this case, they used a methyl form of an amino luvillinic acid, ALA. Okay, so there was three people in that clinical trial. It was just a pilot study. All three got better.

Wow. Within one week. Wow. Dude, like, look at this. All treated patients had complete remission defined as a clinical and histologic complete absence of catanusinous basal lymphoma. After a maximum of two photodynamic therapy sessions at a one week interval, a patient experienced particularly side effects and the pain was easily managed.

As the pilot study from 2006, three patients. Amazing. That's out. There's a breast cancer study. That was a 40% drop, then. There's the four different wavelengths. There was a 40% drop in 24 hours after the exposure. Well, nobody can see anything then because there's studies out there that are

So that that's up to you to look at and to decipher, but they are there, they're present, you've seen it, you've got the studies that you can show. Lung cancer, biggest killer of all cancers, 7% in overall response, which doesn't, I'm not saying 80% went into remission. Right. It says that 87% has a significant response and improved patient quality of life. The promising anti-tumor strategy is this pub med. And nobody's saying don't take your medicines or anything like that, but we're saying take a look

at some people. Yeah, maybe we'll help. Yeah, exactly. This is where it's specifically showing that it gets straight into the bone. Yeah. Neur infrared will go into the bone. And it does this through, you'll see what I shared. It can increase the intracellular reactive oxygen species and the photothermal agent.

And then this photothermal conversion leads to the tumuricidal effects, which is the suicide of the tumors. But that is the reactive oxygen species includes singlet oxygen. Singlet oxygen is red, fluorescent. Right. It's burning red. it's so powerful. It's been used in military settings to shoot missiles that are airborne. Singlet oxygen.

Your body produces it naturally. What do you think that does to cancer cells? Eradicate. Yes. Why it's so powerful. That's the prostate cancer study. That was the 400% increase. There you see the 49% in the VTP,

which is going to target of photogenic therapy. 13.45% in the control group. You know, UCLA, very promising therapy. These results are excellent news with men with early localized prostate cancer offering a treatment that can kill cancer without removing or destroying the prostate. Wow. That's pretty nice. Well, I got to, we got to wrap up here. So I want to close what we talked about with what I was talking about. So we'll talk about inflammation specifically, possibly to the heart from virus. It doesn't necessarily have to be COVID-related. Any virus could cause

inflammation around the heart. I've had COVID seven times, like I've told you, no vaccine of any kind but have had it. So we can't say it was vaccine caused, but we could certainly say it was COVID caused where I had a episode where my heart and we had gotten home from a convention and certainly was sick again. It seems like every time I go to these conventions, I come home with COVID or I'm sick. And I told my wife, I got sick again and she wasn't feeling good. The next morning, when I was in the bathroom, my heart started to skip beats, but it wasn't like a normal one or two. It was about 15 minutes of inconsistencies. And I had to sit down and I said, dude, this isn't a panic attack.

This isn't a couple skip beats. Something's wrong. Went away. After we sat and talked and it got calm. Two days later happened again. Third day it happened on that Thursday. It was frequent all day long and I finally said, okay, enough to know. So I go in low ejection fraction, which means that my heart isn't pumping as strong as it should be.

It wasn't heart failure but too low for me. EKG was a little abnormal. echo cardiogram showed cardiomegaly. So there was an enlargement of the heart. Not drastic, but enough to cause problems. Traponent level high, meaning my heart is sending out a signal that there's damage. They categorize that as like a silent heart attack, that thing, a level of tropon. So then, you know, it's my wife and my mom are coming up there and they see that my heart rates normal.

Everything's normalizing the next couple days. But they still go in because they have to stick the capture up your arm to see if you've got any blockages to see that their assumption is you're going to need a stent. You got blockage. That's where you're having a sense. issue. No blocking. That's where I talk to you. Yeah. And they are thinking it's either stress related, which very possibly could be with all the moving and all of this stuff going on, or more than likely, it's going to be, when there was a possibility of a blood clot breaking off and causing it, but not likely, especially because there was no evidence of anything in my lungs of any

kind, you know, little bronchial inflammation, but that could have been from being sick. More than likely virus caused inflammation, inflammation, paracarditis type of deal, right? I'm getting a cardiac MRI to determine that, but chances are that's what it is. So I talk to you, and you are so confident on use the red light, do this with the nicotine patches. Yeah. Talk about real quickly that protocol, how the red light could help and why that protocol with the nicotine, which is scary. People, even though they don't realize that nicotine ain't the, not the problem with the cigarettes, the tobacco and the tar and all the other shit that goes into it.

But explain real quick, though, the real quick. the reasoning and their relevance. Yeah, dude, thank you for just giving an opportunity. Because in some ways, it's a big part of my life's work, which is why you sent such utter confidence with me. Yeah. You'll notice I'm not confident about things I'm not confident about. No, I'm not like, that's called assumptions.

And that's like Peter's saying, I won't deny you, Lord, no he denies him. But you just told me, I guarantee it. And I'm like, dude, this is coming up your tongue way too easy, man. I'm going to try it because they trust what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Yep. And things I said, like, I don't know exactly how long it's going to take. I don't know exactly which of these therapies is going to work more than the other.

I know that they all work for it. And so you've got a couple of options. And so, and for everyone listening, that if you had a reaction after, like, getting something put in your body and you wish you didn't, you want to get it out, or you didn't have a reaction, you want to get it out. So either one of those, this is going to be super relevant, everything I say. If you have any mysterious symptom or challenge, this is going to be relevant for you. So that's what's really cool about this. Okay, so, yeah, so the nicotine is very effective. And because of the fact that it's competing for the same receptor,

that is the target of these viral components. And which is interesting. Do you know what the Latin word for viruses? Venom. Really? Makes sense. Or poisonous secretion, but poison secretion is a venom. And so not saying that is exclusively then going to be from an animal,

as we understand venom. but it's viral myocarditis. And so now it's interesting because guess where you have nicotine receptors in your heart? Right. Brain, kidneys, intestines, ovaries, testes. So these are in these vital organs. And it's specifically the seventh receptor called the Alpha 7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which is in all animals and humans except Badgers and Mungus.

Wow. They don't have them. Well, notice what happens if they get bitten by a snake. Have you ever seen the videos? Honey, Badger, don't give an F? No, that's why. Because they don't have nicotine receptors, so it doesn't affect them. Oh.

It doesn't land. It's got no way to dock. How cool is that, right? Okay. They evolved out of having them or adapted out of having them. So because they were in an environment where they kept getting killed by snakes, but that was their food. So everything is trying out of adapt to each other in nature. And then now some people think, what a great idea.

Let's use it for pesticides. Let's use it for weight loss drugs like a Zempic and all these medications and other things that are getting put directly into the bloodstream. Then what a great idea. it, what could possibly go wrong? Oh, look, our cancer rates are the highest they've ever been in human history. Oh, I wonder why. Well, do you know what happens when you block these receptors? You dysregulate everything, especially your ability to circulate normal cells. Okay, so then, and form normal cells, hence why cancer is associated with studies done specifically on cobra toxins and cones now venoms being

injected, and then they'll actually observe the formation of tumors in short periods of time. And then in some of the same studies, they'll use nicotine as a control agent to put it in, and it will drop the tumor formation by more than two times in 72 hours. And that's, you can find that on PubMed. It's called alpha-cobotoxin, alpha-conotoxin, promote the proliferation of gliomas E6-l, so you can look at that. Anyway, so by putting the nicotine in, you'll compete for this receptor, you'll drop it off the receptor, the nicotine will switch its place.

Now it would be circulating. Now you might feel a little sick, and that's why a lot of people feel extra sick when they're trying to continue if they're super toxic. Don't give up. Don't, don't like underestimate your body's ability to heal and adapt. If you swallow a poison, you'd want to vomit. That's normal. You just attach it off the receptor. So now it's as if you swallowed it. And it's often when people vomit or something after it, they feel immediately better. Not that you have to do it that way. It's better to just do it gently, small amounts like seven milligrams. Let's start with three and work up to seven, depending on your body weight and size. But generally speaking,

that will still work well people. If it was children, you could do a lot less, but you could do a single milligram or two as a patch ideally and let it release over 24 hours, switch it out every 24 hours or do the gum in a similar fashion, maybe space it out two or three times in the day. But then you could break it down in the body with EDTA, which is, it was developed during World War II. It breaks down the disulfide bonds of venom protein so they can't reattach. And so considering that it's all throughout foods, because of glyphosate and other chemical companies that are doing this, this is just something that people need. And notice that there's studies on nicotine,

turning around low hearing, Tourette syndrome, when I said autism, specifically for aggression in both children and adults, schizophrenia, dementia, or with nicotine being therapeutic, Parkinson's disease, viral myocytitis with nicotine. Yeah.

That's just a few. Protective against type 1 diabetes. If the rats are exposed to it, they don't get type 1 diabetes. Mm-hmm. Amazing. Isn't that cool? Okay, so that's one.

Nicotine is going to be effective in that way. We talked about chlorine dioxide because of the oxygen. Yeah. Very effective. So you add that into the protocol. Look at those books, like Forbidden Health, the Chief Health, and then add that to basically speaking, I put 10 milliliters of the solution or the equivalent of 10 drops of each of the solutions if you're not preparing the solution into a liter of water. Activate it first, putting a liter of water. You can look up more on this. Drink that throughout the day. That is tremendous. And it can work in and of itself. The other one that can work in and of itself is the urine, which is surprising.

But I've seen people with aggressive heart palpitations every day for two years after they, you know, things that went in their body. And then within, 24 hours, they never, the moment that they drink their urine is the last moment they've ever had heart palpitations, they've never come back. I've seen those firsthand, the red light, right? And then the red light, because of how well it helps denature all these toxins and it helps to be able to give you this cellular energy, the voltage to be able to regenerate and heal. It is a killer protocol. And that specific protocol that I listed in that study was, it was four sessions within a single week of 64 to 84 minute long sessions. And that was 100% remission. The inability

to cure was 0.25%. Wow. It was for nosophobia, which is the fear of getting diseases and severe long COVID anxiety, which is based on people's fear, not the disease. So everyone got better. And so that's the power of red and near red light, specifically through LEDs in that study. So that's that. Sweet, man. Well, I know we got to go. I know we're over on our time here. So, dude, amazing, amazing, amazing conversation. I want to just let everybody know that if you check the descriptions. I'm going to link all of your your work. I'm going to leave a coupon code which you are grateful to give

to everybody. It's just Dylan. That's going to get you the discount on the red light. Yeah, right? 10% off. Yeah. So take advantage of that. We're going to do a part two. Probably going to do a part three and we're probably going to be doing a lot of stuff together. I hope. But dude, thank you for flying in. Thank you for all

this time. Thank you for the education. And thank you for all that you do, bro. It is thoroughly appreciated. And I'm thankful to call you a friend. I'm glad I got connected with you. I don't remember which agent did it, but I got to, I'm going to let them know later. Mike, it wasn't Mike. Okay. All right. I feel the same way. And I got to hit them off as well. That's awesome. And, um, oh, and let's just quickly tell people as well, the place to go is my red light. com. Awesome. Which is my red light.com and then, yeah, use that code at check out. You can look at

stuff. Like, we got stuff that just allows people to just, you know, get something really low cost, put it on it, get it on their body, right? Yeah. Look at all these different things. Very precision-based things and then and a full-body panel uh you look at those ones this is my favorite it's the one you've got in your home one i got in my home so it's bigger than this twice the size of this cap covers all your organs like head to groin areas so that's uh it's it's it's amazing thing bro appreciate the time brother appreciate you all right all right everybody that wraps it up stay tuned for playing where to come Dylan jemelli and jonathan auto signing all