The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #82 Featuring Sean Fetcho! The co-founder of Versea Health and MESCREEN! The World's FIRST AND ONLY at home Mitochondrial Efficiency Test!!

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

Episode #82 Featuring Sean Fetcho!  The co-founder of Versea Health and MESCREEN!  The World's FIRST AND ONLY at home Mitochondrial Efficiency Test!!  It is time to get our TRUE Mitochondrial Health AND EFFICIENCY Analysis!!!  In this episode Sean Fetcho takes a deep dive into everything mitochondria but expounds into many aspects of health.  With witty and detailed answers to many discussions, from western health, to the mind body connection, to his FIVE FREE HACKS for obtaining real health, to validating and discussing the importance and role of studies in wellness, Sean displays a VAST ARRAY of knowledge in everything health and wellness... Then to the core of the discussion, MITOCHONDRIA!  Sean discusses how the MESCREEN provides TRUE, ACCURATE mitochondrial efficiency results, along with the role, function and total importance of our mitochondrial health.  Sean is on a mission to change lives providing everyone with not only a massive knowledge base, but tools and keys to extending our live spans but with QUALITY years to them!  You DO NOT want to miss this episode!  Make sure to check below to get a HUGE $100 discount on the MESCREEN TODAY!!   MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN     Today's episode is sponsored by Apollo Neuro!   Get the Apollo Neuro for $99 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli _______________________________________________________________________________ To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN     TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN   TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast       HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli     Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!   MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail] Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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to be able to get to meet so many amazing people. And my friend today is at the top of my list for what he does. And after talking to him then, especially, I'm going to talk a little bit about his prior background. But I think some of you are probably already going to know when I mentioned to the company that he's at right now. So earlier years, which I did not know I found pretty cool because you never told me, is that you were part of the launch team for Red Bull USA and co-founder and a revolutionary packaging company. that actually sustains the shelf life of perishables,

all while killing off any food-borne pathogens while in transit. But right now, what he is known for is being the co-founder and CEO of Versa Health, which are the creators of Measgreen, which is one of my very, very strong fascinations and studies right now when it comes to what it tests for. So I can't wait to talk about all of this and get people understanding and knowing because I think you and I both know how important mitochondrial health is, and that's why you do what you do. So without further ado, my friends, Sean Fetcho.

Thanks, man. Appreciate that. We're going to make mitochondrial conversation fun. I love it. Because death by science sometimes can confuse a lot of people. So I'm going to do my best to break this down into layman's terms for the masses. I'm looking forward to it. And we're going to get into so many different things that I'm excited about that we were talking about off camera, because there's a lot of things that I think that need to be brought to light that do go on out there that people need to be aware of. And it happens in all aspects of life. But it's really anytime an industry starts to pop, this is going to happen. Yeah.

It's always got the best intentions, things that go on. And, you know, biohacking and health, there's a lot of ways to take advantage of people. Yeah. And before we get into the me screen and the testing, Let's touch on that a little bit because that'll kind of draw into why what you do is so special and how you guys have taken the time to make it right. Sure. Yeah. Look, I come from 20 years in the Western medicine space, right? So anything from cancer and oncology to cardiovascular, pain management, urology, pulmonology, infectious disease. I've done all of that throughout my career. And, you know, there's a lot of validity in Western medicine. And I think, you know, it gets a bad rap currently because of the, you know, the payers and the commercial payers owning the system. Right.

I mean, I always start off with saying, you know, when I do a talk to a bunch of really intelligent people in the room. And almost always I ask the same question. I say, what do you think United Healthcare did in revenue last year, 2024? What do you think? Give me a number. My guess would be, I would say, probably 10 figures. Yeah.

Try $425 billion in revenue. Hope is close. Okay. Close enough. All United Healthcare's entities, and they have thousands of downline entities. What's so? United Healthcare before that going to.

That is one of the largest commercial insurance payers in the United States, right? So your health care insurance. Right. And if you add up the Big Five, the Aetna, the Blue Cross, the Cigna, the United Healthcare, these are over a trillion dollars in aggregate revenue, okay? They run the health care system. The Big Bad Pharma conversation, you know, I'm going to stick my neck out because I used to have those conversations. And I don't necessarily completely agree. I think pharma has a home. I think

that Western medicine on the way that they go about science and proof of concept and understanding molecular makeup mechanism of action of the molecules that are going down a path of the FDA, all this super important. Health and wellness, back to your question, I think has an amazing home. And we're going to get into some of the hacks that I think are legit and some that cost you to zero dollars. Yeah. And then we're going to get into some of the stuff that, look, there's a lot of bullshit out there, right?

And people are very good marketers. And unfortunately, we live in a society today, especially in the United States, where we are heavily, heavily marketed to. We are only one of two countries in the entire world that even get pharmaceutical or biotech adverse, right? So any advertisement you see on the TV, any commercial, any of that, that is not allowed in any other country except New Zealand and here. Okay. That just goes to show you the power of marketing and what is done to society.

We are a society hopped up on prescription meds for sure. And that needs to stop, right? So I think health and wellness is tackling that. I think preventative care is a very good thing. And, you know, I look at health and wellness from a mind, body, and spirit standpoint. I think you have a lot of guys out there like a Brian Johnson. I respect what he does and his seriousness and commitment. But he's only looking at the physicality of health. And that's only one of three elements, right? You can't just look at the body. You have to look at the mind. You have to look at spirit and your connection to source. If you can do all three of those things, that will constitute a true health and wellness journey for most, right? And I think people forget about those other two. They forget about the spirituality.

They forget about the mental aspect of it. And they only look at diet and I need to do this. I you take this, I need to change my cells and you change my weight. That's one piece of it. I'm smiling ear to ear because my whole premise on why I even exist is to teach people about the mind-body connection, but I do it as a tree. Yeah. Its spirit is in the middle and then it branches off to mind and the body because on my equation, the spirit, if you don't have the spirituality first, these two you can have perfect and it's not going to work. That's just my view. Everybody's different. And that's fine. And regardless of the spirituality. And regardless of the spirituality. I'm Brothers to the spirituality, right?

Right. Religion is only one piece of spirituality, so I totally agree to that. I spent so many years focusing on fitness and bodybuilding and health and diet and everything. And I didn't start to study the neurological side until about six months ago. Okay. And once I understood that aspect and then, and I won't get science either, but vagus nerve, you know, overactive sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system and piecing that together and realizing wow, actually, this is controlling everything.

Yeah. So I fix your hormones. I do this. I do that and you're still having problems. Why? Right? Yeah, it's interesting. And the science that we created in the years and years of work to get to this point

was through Western science and utilizing NASA. NASA was the birth of what you now see today with our mitochondrial assessment. That started out of the famous NASA twin study back 10 years ago. This is 25 years plus of research to get to this point. but really 60 plus years of utilizing the gold standard, which is muscle tissue. But my point to all of that is that it's the biochemistry of you and everything about you, mind, body, and spirit that comes through your serum. And when we take this blood draw, and that assessment on your cellular function of mitochondria,

all that comes into play. It's not just, when you look at the person's biochemistry, you're looking at all aspects of them. How are they feeling mentally? How are they spiritually? How are they physically? And see, when you go to your doctor, your regular doctor, how often are they asking, well, what's your diet? Like, how's your stress level?

How's your sleep? I mean, there's a- They don't ask you anything personally anymore. No. You go to a primary care will be dead in the next 10 to 20 years. There is no home for primary care moving forward. I think specialists are always going to be needed, right? You're oncologists, you're gastroenterologist, your endocrinologist, your orthopedic surgeon.

All of those are going to have a home. And there's a lot of value in that type of medicine. general medicine where you go to a doctor's office, they give you three minutes, they tap your knee to see if your foot moves as a physical, and then they say you're good to go. You don't know anything about me. I don't know my anxiety, my stress, what I'm dealing with personally, what physical aches and pains I have, why that's happening, what my diet is. You're not asking about any of that, right? And I think that whole system, which is a feeding system into the big health care systems, that's all primary care is, is going to go away. You become your new primary.

primary care doctor through AI, through preventative care, and being proactive on taking samples, whether it's blood, urine, fecal for gut health, whether you're taking saliva. There's different ways to collect information on you alongside of things like an aura ring or or Apple with the wearable technology. All this feeds into your new primary care doctor. And that primary care doctor will alert you a hell of a lot better than that three-minute a visit to some doctor that doesn't give a shit about you. I agree. When people try to ask me, what does biohacking mean?

I simply try to tell them. It's very simple. It's not this big drawn-out polarizing thing. It's really, honestly, you take an accountability of yourself and your own health and figuring out what's best for you. That's really, in a nutshell, all it is. Now, you can, which what I want to talk to you about is, all of these different $50 million dollar machines and this, this type of product that you need with this one and this one and it turns

into 700. That's what people think it is. Right. Because it's become that on the surface. But it's what we're going to get into too about your five free hacks. I've got some topics coming out called biohacking on a budget and it's kind of similar to what you're, you know, same thing. Yeah. People get caught up in the in the whole, look, it's a lot of marketing and there's a lot of cost behind biohacking. Four years ago, I had no idea what the hell that that phrase even meant. And I honestly thought when someone first said it to me, I thought these were like hackers in like the digital like coding world. I'm like a biohacker. Are they like, I don't understand. I didn't, I didn't link that to help. I actually think it's a bad phrase to use or

biohacking sounds negative. I agree. You're not you're not hacking your health. You're, you're listening. You're listening and being preventative and proactive and precise in your health based on the physicality of what's going on with you. The mental state. of where you are in this spiritual state of where you are. That's not biohacking, right? So for me, I struggle with that. I think wellness and longevity, and I think those are great phrases to use, the biohacking movement to me is a little strange, right? I don't like saying, like, if I'm talking to you or you're giving me advice and you call it a hack, it's not a hack. It's a method of taking care of yourself. You know what I mean? Like calling it a hack almost me. You know,

makes you sound like a hack. Intrusive. Yeah. You're breaking a law. Yeah. Something negative. Or it's just like something off the wall ignorant or something. I don't like it either, but I understand terms and slang and everything.

But I don't, I agree with you. I thought it was some sort of computer thing. Yeah. Really. My prediction. And I'll get into the whole Western versus Eastern or, you know, health and wellness man. Yeah.

Because like I said, I think there's a home for Western medicine. I just think that shouldn't be the first home we go into. I agree. And I think that's a last resort if everything else fails. But when you look at biohacking, right, this movement, you know, I think it's a, I think it's a great, great thing. But the problem that I'm having is that it's like the cannabis space, right? If you remember the cannabis space in like 2016 to 2020 right before the pandemic, the amount of companies that went public with massive valuations, multi-billion dollar valuations, the amount of people that were extracting, isolate and doing CBD and all these things and THC,

80% of those companies are out of business. Yeah, they're gone. Because the balloon deflated. And it's still great science. There's science behind the use of THC and CBD and all these cannabinoids and what they can do. And there's great stuff. But 80% of it was bullshit.

And now that's gone. And that is my prediction here in the, I'll air quote at the biohacking world, but I'm going to call it the health and wellness world, is I think there's some amazing stuff happening. worldwide. There's some amazing movements and there's some amazing innovations going into it. But there's a lot of bullshit. And how do you sift through the bullshit? The number one thing that I hear from biohackers or health and wellness people is they say, I feel lost. I don't know what to do.

I'm so marketed to. Everyone has their own opinion. You got to do this, this and this. And my response to that is I have five free hacks for you that you don't cost you anything. But also every single person, 8.2 billion people on this planet are different. Your biochemistry is different than this person, then this person, then me. We all are different. Who's to say there's one universal thing that everybody should use? And that is why we created what we did with our mitochondrial assessment, because we're looking at the biochemistry of you, everything about you,

and what is going on down at the cellular level. And so people don't realize the level of mitochondria in your body and in this world. I know. Everything is mitochondria. Everybody has it from plants to all species to humans. And so how do we assess down at that level giving root cause data and root understanding of what is actually going on down at the cellular level? So, and I think you'll agree with that. There's like a set protocol or general rules or guidelines, but that never necessarily means each person will fall into it.

And you don't, you know, I don't mean to stop you there, but this is a really important thing that most people don't know. Most prescription drugs, and especially some of the rare disease or oncoletics that are approved, are down to 30 or 40% success rate and they're still approved. People don't realize that. So pharmaceutical can be FDA approved, and it may only work on half the people, or maybe 40% of the people. So what about the other 50% right? Everyone handles intake of anything differently. And so I could eat whatever I want all day long, 24 hours a day, and this is the weight that you're going to get out of me.

It's the same weight I've been since I was 18 years old. I don't change, right? But other person could eat the way I eat and they're going to be 1,700 pounds. Right? And so you have to understand what your metabolism is, how your body oxygenates, how you are mentally, how you are physically, how you are spiritually, and look at all these things and find the right recipe that works for you. Totally. And see, this is what's happened to. So I'm a little jaded because I started getting into like the supplement industry in 2010.

And my whole premise was, I want to get out of this mess, you know, that I got myself into. Tim Ferriss, man. He killed it back then. Chiaris is the OG of figuring out how to make a killing on supplements online and go live his life touring the world. Yeah. I mean, fantastic business. Oh, the guy's incredible.

Like, I love his story. I know. I have seen it all. I've been around it all. And then I get into the refreshing biohacking space. And I start to see some amazing. stuff, you know, just amazing. But here's how it works, and you know

this. So like the craze, I don't know, a couple years ago was the gut, right? Yeah. Now, everybody's using the term mitochondria because a few people got it out there and showed the importance of it and explained how it's basically in control of damn near everything, like you said. I mean, providing energy for us and we'll get into a little bit,

not the crazy science, but a little bit of it. So everybody's exploiting that. Everybody's shit, does something for the mitochondria, but in reality, does it? Right. How do we even know if it does? That's right. How do we, how do we test for it? Yep.

And how do we know what is in their product that it's actually doing anything for the mitochondria? Yeah. Let's just, let's go back to the basics for those that are listening that want a refresher. 99% of people on the planet, when they think of mitochondria, and I was one of them, until five, six years ago, you think of mitochondria, they know maybe one or two facts. The first is energy in the body. The ATP energy in the body produces the energy, outlay of energy.

The second is the powerhouse of the cell. It's what we all learned in school, right? Right. But that's essentially the depth of knowledge base that 99% of the people have had up until now. Even health care providers, doctors will tell you that they did not learn cellular health in med school. It was literally breezed over and there just was not a lot of substance on the curriculum. around it because never before was their way to assess it. The only way to assess mitochondria for 50 plus years is a six inch needle through the thigh. It's called a muscle tissue biopsy. It's super painful.

When I was on with Ben Greenfield, he was telling me he got two done in one day and then had to go like do an Iron Man. I go, you're crazy because it feels like you have a Charlie Horse for a month. It's very expensive. Over $2,000 plus just in lab cost to do it. You have to be on site in that clinical setting, they have to pull out real live tissue and process it right away. There's only a whole handful of labs that do that. So nobody on the planet, whether you're Harvard, Oxford, M.D. Anderson, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, none of them were able to accurately or scalably run assessments on mitochondria as it pertains to chronic disease, as it pertains to longevity and anti-aging or in peak performance in athletes. So let's talk about what the hell this stuff is. Okay.

Yeah. Mitocondria. Big word. Sounds cool. What is it? Think of mitochondria as the, really, the powerhouse within the cell with two membranes, right? It's got two membranes of barrier. You have about 37 trillion of these puppies in your body.

Right. Let's reiterate that. 37 trillion, okay? When you think about that number, that's pretty crazy. Your heart is filled with upwards of 40% mitochondria right now while you're talking to me. Okay. Every cell in your body has it, but red blood cells. Every non-communicable chronic disease on the planet has some sort of tie to mitochondria as a core feature, whether it's a dysfunction or a deficiency within your mitochondria. Non-communicable chronic disease is just a fancy way of saying things like

diabetes, cancer, heart disease, inflammation, neurodegeneration, whether it's Alzheimer's and Parkinson's or ALS or Fregicotoxia. All of these things are tied to my heart disease. mitochondria. Okay. So that is a big, big element of this thing. Another mito fact, as I call them, is that you inherit your mitochondria directly from your mother. Your mitochondrial DNA comes directly from your mother. Right. Okay. It's a very interesting way to look at this. You have 103 proteins alone just in your mitochondria. Okay. So these things are the backbone of everything. Every chronic disease is tied to it. Your aging is directly tied to your mitochondria. So as we get grayer, we're balding, our hormones are changing, maybe we're getting bellies, women are going through

menopause, all these things that are taking place are stemming from mitochondrial change. Your cells are dying every day, right? And mitochondria determine whether that cell is going to live or die. They are the quarterback. They're the Tom Brady on the field, okay? When you look at the level of complexity of these things, you look at how they're tied to everything in anti-aging longevity, everything chronic disease, and everything on peak performance. If you're Novak Djokovic, if you are an NFL player, NHL player, a footballer, a rugby player, everything on your outlay of energy is predicated on your mitochondria. It's energy in the body. So your performance is directly tied to it.

But what most people forget is that it's not about the energy all the time. It's not about if you can perform. It's about recovery. And people are overhacking themselves. They're overdoing it. They're over-sufflementing. They're overtraining. They're overwork in their body and they can't recover.

And recovery is a bigger part of the pie that people forget to talk about, right? And so mitochondria to me is everything. And I've come to be a sponge around it. And it's cool to see what we were building starting in 2019 to come to fruition now where the whole world is talking about it all the time. Really cool. It's one of those things. It's a term that gets thrown around the,

a lot of people don't understand. You made it very easy right there to understand. And it doesn't have to be difficult at all. I mean, the science is pretty damn cool behind it. And when I started to work with timeline, that's when I realized, okay,

this is the key to everything. And that's when I went to go study it. I studied it at Harvard. I became a cellular health coach. Like, this is my life. Yeah. This was what drew me to you. When I met you,

I was like, okay, there's a reason that he fell into my laugh here because this is all I want to do. And it's, when you understand what it controls, like you just said, and then you realize, okay, I need to address this. I want my mitochondrial health to be my main target. Because like you said, in essence, well, that's controlling our aging. That's controlling our quality of life. And I love that you brought up that people are over supplementing, because it's like overtraining. You can over-train and go backwards and have such a strong detriment. I mean, I coached this for 15 years. years. Same with what you said over supplementing. You see, guys, I've done this. I don't know if you

have, but taking 40 and 50 supplements a day because you start thinking, well, this does this and this does this and this does this. In reality, that's unnecessary and it be a detriment. Now, I want to ask you, in your view, what are some of the best methods for keeping healthy mitochondria as we age? Is it a supplement? Is it a, is it with exercise? Is it sleep driven? What are some of your, it's great, great question. It depends how you score. Okay. Right. So what's interesting around mitochondrial health is you could actually be healthy or you could look healthy. You could be physically fit. You could be a top athlete and you might have a shitty mitochondrial score. You could be a top biohacker. You could be a major influencer that's doing all these things and have a shitty mitochondrial score. There's a lot of things that come into play

on how your cellular health is. And that goes back to this whole mind, body, spirit. Pending on how you score, every single human on the planet, there's roughly eight point two billion of us on the planet, we all fall within one of 17 profiles of our mitochondrial health. This technology, I just want to preface this with everyone because this is super important, understand. We come from the Western medicine space. All of the co-founders, our doctor team, our PhD team, our MD team, we all live and breathe in the Western medicine space. This was born out of research done with NASA, the famous NASA twin study back in 2015. Anyone listening, you can Google NASA twin study, space NASA.

And you will find a very interesting white paper. And what they did is they shot the Kelly brothers. There's one sound below at base and one up in space for a year, identical twins to understand different aspects of overall health and wellness and aging and what happens when in space. And it turns out you age exponentially fast and you start to deteriorate exponentially fast when in space. Really? Yes. And so a lot of.

lot of research now is done utilizing astronauts because you can accelerate a clinical study that may take a year or two years down to a few months on data, right? So really interesting stuff. So anyways, they were assessing all sorts of things. There were 10 institutions involved in that study. One of those institutions was UC San Diego. Many of the labs that got involved, there was a gentleman named Dr. Hemel Patel. I call him the godfather of mitochondria because he's an amazing, amazing person to talk to. He is, I don't think there's anyone on the planet that understands it more than him. He also oversees all the Joe Dispenza meditation work, along with Dr. Toby Mueller, Bertram. So those are the two co-founders with myself and Steve on our team. And so

we started funding out of UC San Diego the research and assessment of mitochondria and trying to figure out how to bring this as a commercially viable product. The only way, as I mentioned, was that muscle tissue biopsy. Then we went into plasma, which was part of the NASA twin study, but still expensive to assess plasma and the processing of it and the accuracy. It's a little inconsistent. We did a new technology and cracked the code back in 2022, utilizing adoptive transfer, which means we look at a baseline cell assay and we run a serum separation card to take your blood. Super simple. You can do it in the privacy of your own home.

It takes three minutes, or you can do it in a clinical setting. That blood dries. We spin that down through our sets of equipment that are like $650,000 apiece in our lab. It's insane. And so we run that processing and we run that analysis to understand what's going on with you and the 11 core functions of your mitochondria. Things like reactive oxygen species, your glycolysis, your miton network, right? All of these things have a massive impact on your day-to-day life.

For me to tell you what you need, we'd have to do the test, right? Because that's the whole point, is it hones in on where you need improvement and optimization and maybe some areas where you're doing really well. And from that, we take anything that's in the peer-reviewed PubMed indexed world. So in the scientific community, peer-reviewed means it's been submitted and published in very, you know, well-respected journals. Things like American Journal of American Journal, so JMA, Journal of American Medical Association, New England Journal Medicine, J-C-O, all these well-established peer-reviewed journals. So anything that's indexed on diet, nutrition and supplementation.

So we can't give you, hey, go do a stem cell. Hey, go do red light therapy. Hey, go do magnetic therapy, hyperbriac oxygen, or take this peptide. The clinician can give you that advice. But there's just not enough in the scientific literature yet, I think there will be, around when to take those and for what reason, within your mitochondrial health. Yeah. And so we are looking specifically at what's,

scientifically proven on diet, nutrition, and supplementation, the algorithm gives you those recommendations. The provider that you are doing the test with, whether it's one of our providers, or if it's in a clinical setting, they can then springboard from that data set on you, coupled alongside a genetic test, maybe some metabolic blood work, maybe gut health, maybe, you know, metals and toxins, whatever you're testing, let that clinician aggregate all that together and make the best assessment on you. And that's where this whole thing ultimately goes. It's the data that they take in on you across all of these parameters are going to give you more of a personalized approach as to what you actually need in tracking. So think of us like a

bullshit detector. It's the simplest way to explain what we do. Is what you're doing in your life working? That's it. Is what you're doing in your life working? I don't give a shit what intervention you do. I don't care if you want to do stem cells for 100,000 in Costa Rica. I don't care if you want to get on a peptide or you want to do NAD or you want to change your diet. Get off alcohol, start ripping cocaine. I don't care, right? I mean, to each his own. Right. I am simply going to track you and tell you if what you're doing is either showing a physiological benefit for you or is it not, right? And you'd be surprised on how people score on this test because sometimes you would think that you're healthier, you're energized. Yeah. And you could be energized, but your recovery energy

could be different or your OXR.S is different or your lycolysis needs improvement. So, The test is a really, really interesting innovation because we did not reinvent science. This science has been around for decades. It just wasn't a commercially viable product because of the muscle tissue biopsy. So that's why we're working with groups like MD Anderson, the world's leading cancer institution, or Minovia Therapeutics, who just got two IND applications with the FDA fast-track for a rare pediatric mitochondrial disorder as well as MDS, which is a rare leukemia. So we are working in the academic world

and we're working in the health and wellness world. Beautiful thing, man. That gripped me out when you were talking about in space and aging faster. Yeah, it's crazy, right? But it does make sense. That's actually, I mean, it sucks that you're up there doing that work and aging faster.

But for the science side and the studies, that's amazing to rapid fire that and really get a better deal of things going on. We just did a, we got a call from a university and they said, hey, we need tests immediately. We have women that were shooting up into space. And when you get their mitochondrial test done, like, what the hell? It's a fertility and space study.

Really? They're assessing women when they go into space, what happens to their fertility? Okay. So they wanted the assessment prior and we had to like overnight these tests because they were literally getting shot up into space the next day. Like this is crazy. That's why. But yeah, there's a lot of research going on utilizing space. That's why SpaceX is probably going to even more, become more or more valuable.

I never knew any of that. That's so fascinating. And I guess I'm going to have to look into as to why and everything and I'll read all of that or you can send me some literature. I just want that for my own personal knowledge. That's wild. Okay. So I don't know exactly because I know you're going to ask me and I can't tell you I have to look it up. But I had a guest on here and he ran a bunch of tests on me, his protocol.

It was a balanced protocol. Anyway, my mitochondrial score said zero and it said that meant I needed zero work and I was off the chart. on the scores, but I don't, it's not the depth of the me screen or anything like that. It was like, first of all, just think about that logically. No, I already know. There's nobody on the planet. Yeah. That doesn't need improvement, right?

Well, that's, we're dying every day. I don't know. Those are changing every day. The depth of what that tested, I don't know. I'll have to show you. I have to find it because I was like, yeah, I don't, I think that means something else. Now, there are some, we have, we've done thousands of tests. And we have some people that have landed.

in Profile 17, I think four. Yeah. And that is the most elite of the elite against the normalized data set of mitochondrial health. How would you get into that? Like, so, I mean, Ben Greenfield's actually one of them. You talked about openly on his podcast. But, you know, he is a unique, like, he's a unique person. He's our age and he is Iron Man competitor for like 20-something years.

He's been training the way he does since he was like 15, 16 years old. But if you or I were to go do what he does, it would actually hurt our cellular health because he's at a different level because it took him years and years and years to be doing what he's doing. So he scored incredible. But it doesn't mean that all people that do that are going to score incredible. That was my question. So you have to just look under the hood. And think of us like we're a top line high-end car that you're able to get information on that you were unable to get before, right?

think about all of the data sets that people provide you. Nobody's been able to provide you this depth on mitochondrial health. And so I think of it like a new vital sign. You know, people use an aura ring for what to track your sleep? Yeah. People are using their phone to look at eye health and steps, right? We are simply tracking your mitochondrial health. And your cells don't change day to day.

It takes 90 to 120 days to see any substantial physiological change down at the cellular level. Really? But even with like supplementation and pectoral health. peptides and all these things. People, I see Amazon and someone will buy a product and then a week later review it that it sucks. And I'm like, that's not how supplements work. They don't just change you in a week, right? Things take time. And that's why a lot of these supplement companies have a hard time with patient adherence. Because you need to take things for 90, 120, 150, 180 days to start to see real true benefit. I have had that battle for so long and I try to explain to people,

it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. These are not steroids that you're taking. that are going to work so quickly, and some of them even don't, but some do. Well, that's why semi-glutide and tries epitide and all that stuff people love. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. That's not reality. No.

It's just not sustainable. No, that too. Anything that works that fast is certainly not sustainable. And I don't think people, they really don't care. Right. Because everybody wants it right now. That's true. And a lot of these things that we take, like you said, they take a long time to really

get going and working. I mean, even HGH. It, you, you'll see some benefits early, but the multitude of the benefits come as you take it longer. For sure. And that is certainly applicable to the things that we're talking about. Like you said, this takes times to see any kind of a change. Yeah, well, I mean, the coolest thing that we've done is that because of our tests, all these legitimate companies have been reaching out to do validation studies.

So you mentioned timeline, amazing company, right? They've done a clinical study with us. Red Light therapy companies, magnetic therapy, hyperbric oxygen, Peptide companies, NAD companies, supplement companies, infrared sauna companies doing a study right now, stem cell, exosome companies, because they're using us as a tool to assess over time on subjects, is their benefit taking place? We're actually going to be a part of a major weight loss peptide study in Europe. It's a massive, massive study on 500 subjects that I think one of the big pharma are funding.

And so when you think about this, there is utility, but it's all around safety, efficacy, dosing, the things that matter. Like, I'm not saying that weight loss can't be good for an individual. What's the right dose? Right, right? And likely it's probably a much smaller dose to not eating away at all your muscle.

Yeah. Right. So I think there's, I think there's a lot of science that's going to come into this health and wellness community that's going to really make this a very, very positive outcome in a better value proposition for the people that are going to invest in their health and wellness and longevity. Do you have any data from a GLP1 side in terms of how a GOP1 is affecting the mitochondrial health over time? So we're going to be doing some studies.

We haven't launched any, but there's two groups that are initiating studies with us in the U.S. And then this European study, we're going to be added on as another assessment tool within that study, which I think is great. I have a multitude of wonders on that because I do a lot of work and talks on GLP ones. I'll just throw a couple at you and see if you even know yet or not and if it's off the wall. But I would have concern like you brought up about the eating away of muscles. So the people that are dosing higher and they're really like basically starving their muscles, how that affects their mitochondria versus the people that are more microdosing or that have something else that's aiding them on eating properly. and I would like to see like a comparative analysis

on what now that shows. Yeah, and we actually, so remember I was giving you the explanation, we assess muscle. So the two most dense mitochondria sources in the body are the heart and muscle and the neuron cells right after that. That would make sense. And so muscle has been the gold standard.

So you're right. When we run, I can't wait to do these studies because I think you nailed it. I think microdosing or smaller dosing based on the individual is the right approach with weight loss. I mean, look, this stuff was actually created for people that were obesely, obesely overweight,

that were dangerously overweight that could die, right? And that's different dosing than when someone's six, 700 pounds and needs to lose 300 pounds quickly versus a girl that's 140 pounds who wants to be a buck 15, right? That's like a whole different world. So you can't look at the whole weight loss industry is the same. And I want to invest in that type of research because I want to help further the understanding for individuals as to what they actually do needs

so they can maintain muscle mass and maintain overall health and wellness. And I really do think your mitochondria get more optimized for some individuals when they take weight loss if they're taking the right doses. But we just don't know yet. There's too much importance of having muscle. And I think people also confuse that with being bulky and huge. And that's not what we're talking about here. when you have degradation of muscle over time,

your health is going straight to the toilet. Absolutely. And the more lean, this is another thing that you and I know, but I think people don't. The more lean muscle you have, the more fat you lose. The scale might not move, but you go look at yourself, how do your pants fit? How do you look?

How's your overall blood panels, like the depths of the blood panels looking? How do you feel? Right. The importance is lost in translation. Everybody's so worried about weight loss. Yeah. And that's what they do.

Like you said, taking doses that are necessary for someone that's extremely overweight. Yeah, you'll see the long-term repercussions of that over time. Yeah. Because it's so new still in the market. I mean, we think about we're only like, what, two, three years in, maybe four years in with the pharma companies offering this. So you're going to see a lot of new data come out, a lot more research against it. And look, peptides are amazing, right? I'm not discounting.

Like, we're doing a study right now on Matsi, which is a mitochondrial peppermin. My favorite peptide. I'm very excited to get the data on that. I am too. Because I do think that there's a lot of value there. So very exciting times. Think of us like a bullshit detector. I'm only here to provide you a tracking tool.

This is not a one and done test. Your first test is your starting point. That you've just entered into your mitochondrial health journey. It is the repeat testing based on how you're pivoting in your lifestyle that is going to give you the personalized medicine approach and the true. precision understanding of what is working for you or what is not. Yeah. Right.

And so look, some people like are so obsessed with diet or intake of, oh, I can't eat that. It's a dessert or, oh, I can't drink. It's so bad for you. It's like, well, you know, balance. Like, how do you know that? Let's look at you and what's going on in your system. And blood work plays a huge role.

Think of like a look at a pie. Let's look at a pumpkin pie. Bloodwork is a big chunk of that pie on a full metabolic blood panel can give you a lot of insights. and a lot of actionable data. There's no doubt about it. Then look at genetic testing. I think that's a smaller piece of the pie,

but still an important piece of the pie. Oh, yeah. Right? And, but it's a one and done. Once you have your genetics, what is the one thing that stays with you the minute you're born to the minute you die? Actually, you can dig you up,

we could dig you up 50,000 years from now, and it's still going to be exactly the same. It's your DNA. Okay? So your DNA is your DNA. Why does everyone assess against DNA or DNA-based biose? biomarker assessment. It doesn't really make a lot of sense because it doesn't change.

What is the one thing in your life that changes from the day you're born to the day you die? And you can tell when the person's going to die off of this data set. It's your metabolism. Okay. We're assessing the metabolism of the cells, the understanding of the mitochondria and what's taking place. You can tell when someone's going to die based on our score. We actually tested a baby at birth one day old and we tested someone that died a week later. And it's insane what you can uncover on the mitochondrial health side in this data set. So all I ask people to do, if you're ever going to work within cellular health assessment, look at it as a tracking tool to be able to understand interventions and are these interventions working for you or not.

People are spending thousands of dollars a month on diet, on supplementation, on stem cells and exosomes. I mean, they're on gym memberships, going to coal plunge in sauna. And it's like, yeah, let's fine tune this a little bit. Let's truly understand what you need and then what is working for you. And you can tell if your mitochondria are good, you're healthy. If your mitochondria are bad, you're not fucking healthy. It's like that easy, right?

It's that black or white. Right. It is a distinct difference. If you need improvement in your mitochondria, you have health issues that you have to address. Right. It's that simple. So let's break this down then. Let's talk about the test itself and just break down how.

How you take the test and what you're going to, like, how it's going to be viewed the results that I get. What am I going to see? Yeah. So think of it. This actually took about a year to just to develop the algorithm out of UC San Diego medical school team and a bunch of really smart PhDs on our team. Shout out to you guys. You're amazing. We had to really understand through those 17 profiles, where within those profiles are you scored based on the 11 core functions of yourselves?

Are you with me? So when you take this blood test, fingerstick blood, that goes into the lab. The lab is processing four different assessments on your serum. They run four different analytical assessments. Some of them are super high science on how they're doing this. That's why it takes about two weeks. We should have it, you know, it's two to three weeks right now. It should be down to one or two weeks as we continue to scale and scale and add more personnel.

And but when you get that data, you're going to get a message alert. You're going to log into your dashboard. going to get your report, just like you would, your blood work or anything else. Right. You're then going to schedule a clinical consult and one of our healthcare providers are going to get on the phone with you on a 15-minute consult and walk you through the interpretation of the mitochondrial score, what those four sub areas were in your final score, which is your me score.

And your me score stands for your mitochondrial efficiency score. Okay. So we're scoring people just like you'd get a testosterone score. Yeah, like, hey, you're 400. Oh, okay. Well, I want to get to eight. 800. Oh, you know, your glucose monitoring score, your sleep score or a ring. What do people do do when they have or a ring? Everybody, what do they do? They wake up, the first thing they do,

they look at their sleep score. That's what everyone does, right? Well, think of us as just that. We're looking at your mitochondrial efficiency score. So you're going to fall within a percentile range. Okay. So against the norm. Now, as the data sets get larger and larger, that becomes very powerful because now we can look at sub-cohorts of data. I have 5,000 Parkinson's patients that have taken our test. And we can find linkage within those patients on early stage Parkinson's that all have areas of improvement within mitochondria needed or diabetic patients or inflammation or 40-year-olds that are doing a lot of cocaine and drinking or a 50-year-old that, you know, is overweight, you want to be against the norm or professional athlete and NFL player, NHL player,

they're going to want to be against cohorts of other professional athletes to see where they are in their mitochondrial health. So that's how we can go with this over time. And so this data is meant for you to understand what's working for you and what's not. And alongside of blood work, alongside of a genetic test, now you have a full picture of your overall health and wellness and where your improvement needs to be. Beautiful. So this is the most intricate test for mitochondria that's done or the only actual test. There are others out there that are claiming that they can do some things.

There's another company out there, mitoswob, that's been around for. for many, many years in the functional medicine space. And it has some utility. It's giving you some assessment. A lot of others claim that they're giving you assessment in mitochondria. Mitome or mitome is just a white label of mitoswab, which has been around in the industry forever. And then there's some biomarker-based testing, epigenetic-based testing.

But look, biomarker-based testing, there's a lot of challenges there. Okay, if you and I, after this podcast, go out, hit the bar, let's go to, let's go to Phoenix Sun's game. Let's go out partying all night. let's hit Waffle House at five in the morning. Let's rip some drugs at six in the morning. Go take a biomarker-based test. Right.

I promise you those results are going to be flawed. Well, sure. Right. And so with our test, that's not the case. Whether you're fasted, whether you're fed, whether you had a night out, whether you didn't and got eight hours of sleep, it does not matter.

It does not impact the results of our function test because we are not a biomarker-based test. Right. We are adoptive transfer technology looking at functional measurements of you and your biochemistry. Your mitochondria do not change hour to hour for day to day. It takes time for them to see physiological change, right? So amazing work is being done. We're doing some studies on ayahuasca. We're doing, I mean, obviously Joe Dispenza and the work that Dr. Patel and Dr. Toby do on the research side, they're finding unbelievable,

unbelievable successes in Joe Dispens's meditation. They've done 9,000 subjects. Mitochondrile assessment's part of that. And they're finding unbelievable successes. And they're finding unbelievable successes in Joe Dispensis meditation. They've done 9, they've done. unbelievable science behind connecting with source and meditation. So I can't wait to the movement, the psychedelics and all this research. We're going to start doing some studies with S-Ketamine and ketamine. They have an I&D application of the FDA, the company we're working with. Lycos Pharmaceuticals, they have an MDMA product that they're pursuing an FDA pathway with. We'll be able to do research with them.

So this all ties down to mitochondria, all of it, right? So if you're taking ayahuasca and you go through a one-week retreat, or Joe dispens a one week retreat. What happens? What's going on down at the cellular level? And does that maintain over time? And that's the key. You may see a short spike,

but does that level out over the next month or so? Yeah, I'd be curious to see that. Because I would imagine the more peaceful state of mind, you're in lower stress. You're obviously going to see less inflammation, less other markers. And I'm wondering, keeping yourself doing breathwork,

doing these things that we know are super beneficial. what direct effect, because I would assume that would have a pretty strong effect on mitochondrial health. I mean, it would make sense. You ready for my five hacks that cost you? Yeah, I was getting to, I was leading right into that. He beat me to it. That's where I was going. I was on a hike with my girlfriend and I was thinking about this the other day at the Grand Canyon.

And I'm like, ah, five hacks that matter that people forget. And, you know, people leap to, hey, I need a Xanax. Hey, I need an antidepressant. Hey, I need to get on, you know, pain med. whatever, people leap to the prescription med world too fast. People in the biohacking world, we already touched on it, they go right into the, I need to get my $180 or $400 NAD shot, or I'm going to go do a $20,000 stem cell treatment. I'm like, okay, wait a minute.

Let's just back up a second. So here it is. Very simple. What's the number one thing that you can do for free that's going to help your overall health and wellness? Sleep. Yeah, get sleep, right? That's free.

One 30 year life should be sleeping. And if you sleep properly, a lot of things can go away. So getting proper sleep. It's free. You can do it anytime. What's proper sleep to you? Well, it depends, right? So each person's different.

Yeah, how you get. That's why I love what aura and whoop and everyone are doing around sleep scores and how they're measuring it. Yeah. So you just measure it. And honestly, invest in that. That's nothing to get an aura ring or a whoop to see what's going on with your sleep score. I think that has huge utility in your overall helping loans. That's free.

And you know what? Yeah, if you want to buy a whooper or a ring, you may have to pay a little bit for it. But you could just sleep for free. Okay. Number two, this is a big one. This is really important. People forget. Breathe.

Yeah. Learn how to breathe. Breathe, breathe, breathe, whether it's meditation, whether it's breathwork. Maybe it's just five seconds in, six or seven seconds out a bunch of times throughout the day. Breathing through the nose, right? All these things can teach you so much and solve a lot of. problems, whether it's your anxiety, your stress, your depression, your adrenaline's going, like, just breathe. It's free. The air is out there for all of us to take in. It's really special.

Third one, this one's really cool. It's pretty wild. And a lot of people, believe it or not, forget to do this. It's not that hard. Drink water. Okay? Drink water throughout the day. Drink it, you know, before you go to bed, a little bit of water. Drink when you get up. Hit that level of water intake that you need because every time you feel like, You're nauseous or you're getting a headache or you're not feeling good or anything. If you drink water, it's amazing what it does for you. Amazing. Okay.

And it's free. Well, not anymore. It used to be a lot more free than it is. Now, you go to Vegas and it's like $15 for water in the room. It's awful. The fourth, this is also a big one. Go for a walk. Thank you.

Walk. Move. Move around. It's not that hard. Move around. Have a goal. 10,000 steps a day. 15,000 steps a day.

Me being a Manhattan night and New Yorker. I would hit 20,000 stuff today in New York City, right? You just got to move. Move and go for a walk when things are good. Go with your significant other and just walk. Be a part of nature. When things are bad, go for a walk. I hiked yesterday.

I was stressed about something. I did a hike in Sedona and it cleared my mind so much and just thought of things going on in my life and how I can solve them. Okay. So that's a free hack. You just got to move around. Fifth one, this is pretty good.

And for some people, they do have to pay for it. and I feel bad for you, people, and there's other ways around it. But have some sex. Right? Come on. Like, sex can really, really help you. It's true. The dopamine hit, the connection, the senses, you're working through all senses,

whether it's touch, face, smell, you know, all of it combined is extremely healthy. Sex is extremely healthy, okay? So if you do those five things and those are fouling you, okay, and you're doing them and you're religiously, like, taking action and making sure that you're getting through your day, encountering all five of those things, and maybe not every day on the sex. But as much as you can, I feel that most people can conquer overall health and wellness. Now, there are times where you're going to need hacks, and I'm not saying that all these other things aren't great. Red light therapy is amazing and all these things that people do and peptides are amazing and N and N and in stem cells and exosomes have a ton of utility. I'm not discounting any of that. I'm just simply saying that sometimes we need to start with our fab five. Yeah. And if you can't get through that, then focus on that first.

And if you're still having problems, move down the road to the next option, which is health and wellness. And then if those value, then maybe prescription meds. Well, it's the rely. What are you being reliant upon, right? Are you being reliant upon the everyday things that you're supposed to be? Or are you being reliant upon what you said, all of these hacks and all of this shit that everybody thinks they need to do?

get your priorities in order is essentially what you're saying. Correct. So through mind, body, and spirit. Yes. So those five I gave you, those are all mind, body, and spirit, right? Like going for a walk with your significant other, there's something unbelievably powerful about that. It's true.

And that's a spiritual connection with you, nature, and your significant other. And that's what I've tried to do, several of the things that you touched on. The walking first thing in the morning has been a big one for me. And what I found is I've been this avid cardio guy training. or overtrainer my whole life. And I cut a lot of that out and dedicated a three mile walk every morning, which sounds like it's so far, but it's like 35 minutes. I walk fast.

But that's like clear head time, prayer time, focus time. And then I do that at dinner time. After we eat, me and my wife will go for like a 10 minute or 15 because it's great walk out. Right after food for sure. And it's good talk. Think about it. So like when you look at longevity, I think you, I listened to one of your podcasts and you nailed that longevity.

What is longevity? right? Is it, oh, we're living longer, so that's longevity? Like, I hear some people, you know, the Brian Johnsons and some others are, you know, Dave Asprey's like, oh, my goal is to get to 140 or whatever the number is. I'm like, what does that mean, though? Because to me, longevity means quality of life along the way, right? So did you have more life along the way? And I think the quality of life and the stress, like, I'm a stress person, right? I have to tackle stress every day. It's my biggest fight. And by, and by far, it's the worst. Stress destroys people. It destroys your mitochondria.

It destroys every aspect of you. And so how do you tackle the stress? And so those five hacks can really do a number on reducing stress, which ultimately reduces all the other domino effect of what stress does to the body-minded spirit. Right. And so I do find that longevity, you know, is a, it has a different definition for each person. Yeah. I look at longevity as a quality of life and how can I live my life to the fullest?

when you ask people that are older on their deathbed, you know, what is the thing that you wish you could have done in your life? Nobody says own more purses or houses or, no, it's family, it's friends, it's love, it's, you know, experiencing more life. It's all the things that don't cost you anything, right? So we're so caught up in this whole fast world of Western civilization, and it's just moving so fast now. And the stress level for people is through the roof. So I think health and wellness is going to be a challenge.

Not because of the physicality. I think we're going to be able to solve all the physicality stuff. It's the mental and spiritual side that is destroying people. The youth, like, that's scary what's going on. It's really one of the premises of my troubles, and that's kind of what I try to focus on, is not only being, like, inspirational and helpful, but trying to teach people accountability and communication,

stop being reliant on hiding behind a, phone to do all the work for you. Go approach people, talk to them face to face. Sure. Have honest conversations. Don't get angry and emotional and touchy about everything. Grow up. Right. Like seriously, just grow up and understand that when people are giving you criticism, that it's constructive for most. There's always pricks out there that we just want to be jerk off. But, you know, for most, if I'm giving you or you're giving me, I am super thankful that you have the time and the care to tell me, hey, this is what you're doing wrong. it because you could be good if you just do this. Dude, I am so thankful for stuff like that.

You cannot hurt my feelings, literally. But you can hurt a lot of youth feelings. Exactly. I don't know what's going on, but I think the mental, if you look at the mental health of the younger generation, I think that's the bigger, that's the bigger scare. And then spirituality, look, there's never a time in the United States where religion and spiritual level is this low. Like, the religion of the United States is money. Everyone's driven. by money and they're forgetting about the basic fundamentals of life and i've getting we all get wrapped up in it right and so it's like how do you how do you reverse that because the younger generation that's our future and the amount of times i go to a restaurant and i look and there's a table of girls

or a table of kids and they're like literally all down looking at their phones and like why are you guys even have to eat together i know why are what is the point of this and so i think that social interaction and that one-on-one interaction is going to destroy us if we don't look at the aspect of of mental health. It's true. It's a big, big problem. And then it's breaking down the difference between mental health and distress because everybody closes it as a crutch. That's true. Because everybody wants to have an excuse now as opposed to looking at maybe I'm just inadequate at what I'm doing. Right. I had to learn accountability quite a long time ago. And once I grasped that and learned that, when I put myself into the situations and I said, hey, you caused this. You did this. People tell me,

you overcame prison. I said, no, I don't know if I really overcame it or if I learned from it because I put myself there. So did I, did I overcome it? Do I deserve this, all this gold medallion? No, but should you take what I tell you as an inspiration, perhaps because I fixed it? Right. And I didn't make the same mistake twice, but I'm accountable. I just learned how to be accountable. You know, as I became God first, I became the most successful I've ever been when I chase the least. Yeah, that's great. That's when it happened. Mailed it right there, right? Yeah. That's amazing. When you do that and you make other people your care first and you stop, for me, it was stop being so fucking Dylan first. Yeah. And actually care about everybody else.

You say you do, but do you? And if you sit and you ask yourself honest questions in the mirror that are so basic and easy and you break it down and then you go, wow. It goes back to what we've created, right? I don't do anything in my life anymore unless it has. mission first, which is helping people or furthering society and providing benefit back to humankind. And inadvertently, you could be successful from that, right? The success comes, but the mission should always be driven around doing good. That's right. There's a lot of people out there that are driven by money first and there that gets you all messed up, right? Because your morals and your ethics start to get skewed and you're chasing the wrong thing and you'll

make decisions along the way that might not be the best decisions. And so for me, I knew we had something really, really special because I'm a skeptic in anything. You have to be. I knew we had something when we cracked the code on how to assess mitochondria when MD Anderson, the world's leading cancer institution for the last 30 years, literally one of the heads of a department in the leukemia the lymphoma department reached out to us and said, you have what? You guys figured out how to assess mitochondria. We'd like to sign a contract and a material transfer agreement to begin doing studies on rare leukemia. And so that gave me chills because I knew that we were helping further science and root cause of disease that can literally save people's lives by understanding

things like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, cancer, diabetes. Like these are real problems and that the fact that we can help through the research lens, understand root cause and hopefully change the trajectory of science and chronic disease. And then the health and wellness side actually came second. And now we're able to enter this market. And yeah, look, you know, testing these types of innovations, they're not necessarily for the masses yet because it's expensive. It's just like when new TVs came out, new smartphones came out, any new technology, cars, they all are very expensive in the beginning. Our goal is to get this down to a price point that can get even more people access to this test and eventually take it through a potential 510K with the FDA where it's covered under Medicare,

Medicaid, and commercial insurance. And that would be a home run because I want everyone to have access to this type of technology. Yeah, I love this. I can't believe we've been going the whole time. I want to make one point before we go off here. Many of us, including myself, at times are quite jaded with, oh, you know, everything is this, nobody cares, right? It's all about the money, money, but there are people out there that do care like yourself and that you've ran into during this. There are people that want to fix things, that want to cure things, that want to help everybody. They're there. I know they're there because I talk to people like you and I know the difference and I associate myself with people just like you, which is why I am, because I know.

So I just want to make sure that people do, you should be skeptical, you should be aware, but understand right here as an example of somebody sitting across from me that actually does care that is doing something to make a difference. Yeah, and I think there's a lot, look, there's a lot of great people in the health and wellness movement, right, amazing minds. I mean, some of the doctors, you know, I was at the longevity summit in Vegas, and there was like 10,000 health care providers there. And these are very, very bright minds furthering the science.

are people, a lot of them started in Western medicine, and functional medicine has saved their own lives. And now they've transitioned over from a Western medicine clinic into a functional medicine or naturopathic medicine or Eastern medicine type of mentality. So the movement's here. It's not a U.S. movement. This is happening worldwide, Singapore and Southeast Asia, UAE and the GCC market. You got the movement in Europe. It's happening everywhere. And it's a very exciting time because people are fed up. And I think people are striving to get more connected to source and spirituality. I think people are striving to get more connected mentally and to have a better quality

of life along the way. And the physicality of our overall in health and wellness, like, it's going to change. We're going to get to root cause and we're going to be able to prevent a lot of things from happening. I'm going to read off for the me screen here because I have a special, for everybody, but would you tell people where they can check the Me Screen out, where they can follow any updates or any data that there is out there that you're putting out there? Yeah, mescreen.com. So think of like me for mitochondrial efficiency, so M-E-E-S-C-R-E-N,

me-screen.com. That website will give you an overview of everything that we have and what's going on and how to get started. When you sign up for your first test, there's an incentive to commit to the mitochondrial health journey and significant reductions if you're buying repeat testing or you can get a subscription model to save, right? So do on a monthly type of payment plan to get multiple tests throughout the year. I know we're going to offer some discounts for anyone that wants to get going with the test and get on with one of my health care providers and start your journey. Look, you're doing a lot of things in your life. I promise you, people are doing a lot of things and they're not getting this type of information. This piece of information, the root cause of everything,

mitochondria and if you can understand that data set you can live a better overall health and wellness journey by tackling what improvements you need i say this often i've told you this i tell anybody that i work with and my followers know me i associate myself with very few where i get a code or give it out and i you know you follow me how much i believe in this so that why i was willing to even put a code out here and work alongside with you on this mission because i believe in it so much i was going to just check my because it's a longer link that I'm having reduced. Check my link, but my code is Dylan, D-Y-L-A-N. It'll save you $100 off your first test. They really, really, really, Sean and his team, they want to make this as affordable as it can be for everybody. They have a lot of costs with

everything they've done, but that's a very sweet deal. I know that for a fact, and that's what I asked of you to offer that to people, which you happily obliged. So make sure that you utilize that code, Dylan. Get yourself $100 off. This is literally one of the most. important tests that you could do, if not the most, aside from your normal blood panels. So, Sean, I know we made this work. I appreciate you coming to say. Likewise, thanks for having me. I knew this was going to be awesome. This was like five million times more fun than I thought it was going to be. And I had a high expectation. I've had talking to you so many times. But I appreciate you. I love what you do. From the bottom of my heart and to everybody else,

this is one of the most impactful things that I've come across. And that's why I wanted to be involved in it so much. So thank you for coming to see me. Yeah, thank you. Looking forward to working together. Me too, man. All right, everybody. That wraps up another highly impactful episode of the Dylan Jameli podcast. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli and Sean Fetcho signing off.