The Dylan Gemelli Podcast - Episode #89 Featuring Liver and Health Expert, SIGGI CLAVIEN!! The LIVER Episode! An encyclopedia and masterclass on EVERYTHING you need to know about your liver!

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Episode #89 Featuring Liver and Health Expert, SIGGI CLAVIEN!  The ULTIMATE GUIDE AND MASTERCLASS to EVERYTHING you need to know about your liver!!   I want to say before the description of the episode that Siggi is one of the best humans I have come across.  He has one of the biggest hearts of gold and his mission resonates deeply with me.   This episode is FULL of extremely beneficial and protective information from the onset, discussing all aspects of liver health.  Siggi goes into detail on how the liver functions and the totality of impact it has on our entire makeup, discussing the many roles the liver plays.  The detoxification process is then discussed in depth, transitioning into different types of medications and what sort of damage they can have short and long term on the liver.  The conversation shifts to diet and the role different types of foods and diet play in the health of the liver, touching on the importance of healthy fats and the dangers of a low fat diet.  There is an extremely important discussion on liver diagnostics and testing, diving deep into fibroscans as the newest most innovative and in depth type of testing.  Of course there is a discussion on how alcohol affects the livers as well as supplements that can help with liver care, with an explanation on Siggi's amazing liver care product, Deliverance!  Siggi leaves everyone with final thoughts about self love and overall health.   This conversation is an absolute must watch, and an extra thanks to Siggi for doing God's work!     Visit the liver clinic here: https://theliverclinic.com/   Get DELIVERANCE here: https://us.loveyourliver.com/   Follow Siggi on instagram: https://www.instagram.com/siggiclavien/?hl=en         Today's episode is sponsored by TIMELINE   To PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN to save 20% OFF!! https://shop.timeline.com/DYLAN   _______________________________________________________________________________   Get the Apollo Neuro for $99 OFF!! USE CODE GEMELLI to save https://apolloneuro.com/gemelli       TONUM supplements for the MIND AND BODY!   USE CODE "DYLAN" to save!!  https://www.tonum.com/DYLAN       TRULY Increase Your NAD LEVELS with WONDERFEEL NMN: https://getwonderfeel.com/?utm_source=DylanGemelli&utm_medium=podcast       MESCREEN: The world's first and only at home mitochondrial efficiency test Save $100 with CODE   DYLAN   https://mescreen.com/cart/47561239626013:1?discount=&ref=DYLAN         HIRE DYLAN ON THE MINNECT APP HERE: expert.minnect.com/@DylanGemelli       Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelli and PLEASE SUBSCRIBE and leave reviews!!       MAKE SURE TO GO TO DYLAN'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL for MORE video content!!    https://www.youtube.com/@DylanGemelliBiohacking   Email Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli Podcast [e-mail]   Visit Dylan's Homepage https://dylangemelli.com

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next to me. We had some really, really good conversations. I am beyond thankful that I got to meet you when I did. And I think it met you at Dave Osprey's. this year, but thankfully through some PR people that introduced me to you, and I am so damn glad I met you. The conversations that we've had and the friendship I've developed with this man is amazing and awesome. But we're not going to get into that today. We're going to spotlight him and what he knows because he is absolutely brilliant on many levels. Now, he's known for his expertise in his work on the liver, which many of you, if you want you hear his name and see everything you're going to know. But what I've learned from him is that he's very, very, very, very

very well educated on so many different aspects of health. So we're going to get into a lot of different things today. But like I said, he's recognized globally for his work in liver health and regeneration. And he is the founder of the liver clinic and deliverance, which is now one of my new favorite supplements since he finally gave me some to try. But we're going to get into everything. He's going to talk about his understanding and optimizing of liver function, how it helps you live longer. I'm going to grill him today on different aspects of the liver, but so many other things. So welcome, my friend, Siggy Clobion. Pleasure to be here. Very nice to see you again. You too, man. I am so happy that you're here and that we live in the same area and that we get to

hang out here a little bit and talk. And thanks for making time to come and see me today, brother. I appreciate it. Yeah, of course. Happy to be here. So I'm going to quiz you today on every aspect of the liver, like I said. I want to talk to you a little bit, though, about the liver first in general. Why did you specifically pick that to be your area of expertise? And then we're going to get into the key functions and facts about the liver, especially things that people might not be aware of. I didn't pick the liver so much as I think it picked me or life put me in that direction. So my family is fits the number of winemakers. So you come from a family of, you know, basically farmers. We grow grapes and viticulture and with that and then you make wine and very much associated

around food and that as well and kind of living up in the mountains, Switzerland. And I was one of the best universities in the world for studying viticulture is in California, University of California Davis. So I had been sent there to learn the wine business and very much digiting because I didn't realize this until recently, but taking care of vineyards is very much kind of like taking care of patients, which you do now is, you know, they can live to be. be 60, 70 years old. They get sick. They have to be taken care of and they need nutrition and they need love and there's stress and it's, you know, you have to really like care for them

to be like a great, a great vintner. That's the growing of the vines. And my best friend had passed away from a drug interaction. And so I, you know, took a step back and really, you know, kind of went through an epiphanal experience and was, you know, studied a lot of spirituality and what I wanted to do. And I said, well, why don't I use my knowledge of chemistry and of, of kind of biotech, you know, making wine's biotechnology, into creating supplements and phyto medicines to maybe prevent that and getting more into preventing that overdoses, but also that kind of morphed into dealing with addiction. And addiction is very, very complex because, and to be candid, you know, I develop supplements and regimes to remove the physical side for

the addiction, but addiction is actually much more complex. The easiest part to deal is the physical addiction. It's the psychological and the spiritual and the emotional side of it. And I was doing that and I very much specialize in Western medicine, kind of traditional supplements, you know, using vitamins and minerals and enzymes and very much coming from a mindset of reactive medicine, which is, you know, really Western medicine is changing, but it was based up, you know, wait until you have a problem and then fix it. Right. And my mentor that helped me start my first company, I was about 20 years old, he really got me going into the supplement world and he just kind of backed me. Didn't take anything for himself, just really saw something

in me and wanted to help. And he had actually eventually died of liver cancer. And my godfather died of cirrhosis. So I've now lost essentially three of the closest male people in my family, you know, except for my father, due to liver liver death, basically. One was, you know, cancer, one was cirrhosis and one was drug interaction. And that really pushed me into that direction. So that now I've been pushed into, okay, let me really actually study the liver. And I didn't know that much about the liver. I mean, I was a, and I'm a detoxification expert, but he didn't really appreciate the liver for what it is.

And I was looking at it singularly and not looking at the holistic aspect or the 30,000 foot macro aspect of how the liver is so intertwined with everything. So in about 2003 through now, I've just focused, hyper-focused on the liver. and the more and more I got into liver health, then liver medicine, and then Eastern medicine, and then realizing that they put the liver on a very important position as the general of the body and how key it is to everything else. And I started working with traditional Eastern medicine where I combined my Western medical knowledge

with Eastern medicine and Arivedic and Chinese medicine, and that morphed and took me more into the liver space and more and more I get into it, the more and more complex it was and the more complex it was and the more exciting it was, and the more that God pushed me into, there's a need to be able to help people and to let them know about the liver and make the liver famous

because most people don't know where it is or what it does, or they just think it's for detox. And we're about 25 years behind in major research than other organs. So not only his science kind of not paid as much attention to the liver as they should, but people don't as well. They don't really think about the liver until it's too late. Right. At the time it's too late, you've got much bigger problem.

So that pushed me into developing phytomedicines, combining Eastern medicine and Western medical technology to create the medicines. And then that pushed me into diagnostics. And then we had to realize that there's a huge problem. When I started this, it was 18% of the U.S. had fatty liver disease. Yeah. It's now 40%. And it's projected to be 50 by 2030. So it's accelerating. The liver disease is up 400%. And it's getting away from us. Everything else we're pushing down. Right. So it's fascinating. And right now, you know, I love what I do.

You know, we do education, we do lectures, we have clinics, we do scanning, we have solutions, we referrals. I mean, crazy stuff. Like even now, and to get to the knowledge that I had to do was hepatologists didn't have it, right? They're very close-minded in one aspect of the liver. Right. But we had to, I had to work with, like the formula took 18 years, but I had to work with endocrinologist and gastroenter. intestinal specialists, brain doctors, neuroscientists, herbalists, Chinese medicine doctors, hepatologists, functional medicine. So I'm an amalgamation of all these different doctors and

experts that are on my team and that I've collaborated with and worked with to create the solutions that we now have. So I never had any intention of going into liver health. And I was, you know, life took me there and God took me there to do that. So very happy, like we, we help people every day and most importantly now we're obsessed with preventing people from getting so it's it's incredibly rewarding and

every day I learn something about the liver even last night after having this awesome chat with one of the top neurosurgeons in the valley one of the best of the country we were talking about Alzheimer's and he's very much of his wife's a nutritionist and even though he's a surgeon

he's very much obsessed with the metabolic causes of it yeah and then we started talking to him and I went deep dove into some research and the link between uh because we got an Alzheimer's discussion the link between liver disease and Alzheimer's is huge it's there it's proven it's like and I didn't know that I mean I knew all the other things about the liver but I didn't really I know the brain that liver axis was so so dynamic and so incredible and they're so interconnected and bi-directional but I had no idea the Alzheimer's link until today Michael Jordan didn't stop shooting jump shots right the best because you practice all the time.

There's probably things you could learn every single day. Oh, yeah. And that's the key to it. So I love hearing that. Let me ask you this on the important scale that every organ is important because they wouldn't be there if they weren't important. But, you know, most people tend to focus on, I think, rightfully so, on the heart and the brain. But just how vital and important is delivered to our just overall consumption of who we are.

The liver has thousands of functions, I have hundred of which are vital. So your skin, your hair, the brain acts as energy source. I mean, your furnace for your energy is also your liver. It's like another function it does. Right. So if you and I get up and go play a basketball or walk around, the energy that we're using is the liver burning it. But the liver is also controlling and mastermining and organizing all of your nutrients

and all of your vitamin. and all the protein that we do. So it's definitely a master organ, and the reason that it's called the general is because it controls all the other troops and it controls all these other organs. So it's signaling to each of them, communicating with them,

and it's cleaning the blood, and it's a gland, so it's creating hormones, which is, so it's both functions, and women's hormones, longevity. I mean, it is key. And it's,

it's so complex that we cannot replicate it with technology. we can do it. We can do a heart, we can do kidneys, we can do lungs. But the liver, its regenerative ability is so incredible and the amount of stem cells and how it's constantly constantly growing. Technology can't even come close to replicating it. So that's because you can't, you know, you have to have like, it's also like a computer because it's also making decisions and it's, it's intuitively intelligent and it's, you know, it's talking to the brain all the time and they talk the brain and the liver, not only are they intrinsically linked,

but they speak to each other via hormones and through the vagus nerve and through signaling and transmission. So it's very much, it's chatting all the time with all the other organs. So it's, you can, and it can, you can absolutely smash it and mess it up and abuse it and take 90% of it could be damaged and it'll come back. no organ in the human body fully regenerates. So it's like Wolverine. It's like Wolverine.

Fully regenerates. It comes back. Even skin, though it regenerates, it's scarred. You can tell it never the same. Liver just comes back. It's constantly, constantly, constantly regenerating. Well, and things have to be made to pass through the liver, right? So a lot of supplements, a lot of steroids, a lot of things like that, they're made to

pass through the liver. Why is that? Because the liver's in control and it's making sure what goes through is good or bad. Is that what it is? Explain it. So we eat something, right, goes into the stomach, the stomach breaks it down, you kind of liquefies it, small intestine starts pulling stuff out, and it's all, and then it goes into your blood, and then your blood is running into the liver.

And the liver's then, okay, organizing it. So, okay, vitamin A, we'll put it here, vitamin D, we'll put it here, this is a toxin. We'll get rid of it. This is an unknown threat. We'll create an enzyme to break it down. This is a different kind of enzyme. We'll create a different enzyme to break that down. Or it could be, if you've got a soary allergy, and then it's also the, the

red blood cells and it's helping to be working with your kidneys to clean the blood. So as it breaks things down and metabolizes things, their byproducts of those have effects negative or positive. But it has to deconstruct, organize, manage, and then distribute as needed throughout the body, what that is. And so if you want it, most drugs are metabolized by the liver, most things are. But especially the liver has to go through that and break it down. the liver sees it a too much of a threat, it'll just get rid of it.

It'll or break it down it, but if it's, it'll pull out the good bits as well. So when things are altered to get through and bypass the liver, is that trying to trick it, basically? Yeah, you're trying to trick it or mask it. It's like a thing with detoxification is, and I, you know, a large part of my career, creating detoxification products and we would try to trick the liver or invigorate the liver or try to tell the liver to go into detox. Detox is like a three-part process and it's rather complex.

And that was what I could call like a yin or an active approach to it. Used to practice that now I don't. We actually do what's more of a yang or passive, which is the liver is going to make better decisions on detoxification than we could, ever could. So now it's like, let's, we looked at it from the completely different paradigm, which is how do we give the liver everything it needs and the support it needs to do detoxification is it sees fit? and to then give the liver, you know, more oxygen and more fluid and make sure it's softer

and squishier and boost to help the kidneys and help you. We're doing everything we do now is to help the liver do its thing. So yeah, that's how, and a lot of drugs do that, and a lot of how the Western drug system works now, partially it's because of pharmaceutical industry, but also is they want to know what one mechanism of action and the one mechanism of action. and that's why for like our products, our formulas, there's multiple ones. So it's not that simple to do it. So some drugs while they're they're tricking or triggering or saying to do one thing, they're not spending enough time looking at what other effects is causing downstream.

How is it affecting that? That's what side effects are. Kind of like with the MNRA, you know, the gene therapy is that you lose control of it. And it's growing around and it's tricking the body to do something. that and there's no off switch. Right. That's where you get blood clots and all this is too. So the further you get away from nature and from the natural body,

the more problems you can run into because you're... Because it's not what God intended. It's not, uh, you know, it's, it's, you're, you're playing with things. You know, two or degrees, obviously certain medicines are incredible, like certain antibiotics and certain real vaccines, like smallpox and stuff have been, you know, game changing. And drugs do have a place, but overuse of them and causes liver damage and cause other problems and weird side effects and, you know, people are getting arthritis from this or that too. So it's one of my heroes is Benjamin Franklin. And he always said, you never learn anything with your mouth open.

So listen is true. Yeah. That's a good point. We have listened to the body. And that's how we formulate now. And we try to preventative medicine and root causes listening. Let me ask you this. this seems to me

that a lot of things have a side effect that says can cause liver problems that there's a lot of drugs, a lot of things that it seems to be very transient to causing liver problems. Is there something that is specifically done within these drugs or within a lot of these things that consistently points to causing potential liver damage?

Well, because a lot of the drugs are chemicals, And those chemicals can cause damage. They can cause stiffness. They can affect other organs. And that's why liver disease is up 400%. You know, it's, the reasons are up 400% of 50 years and it's accelerating is because of the mass introduction of processed foods, synthetic foods, you know, fake chemicals in the food, preservatives and pharmaceuticals.

Still to this day, the number one cause of liver failure and liver damage is, I don't know, you know, parasitamals, we call it in England. but or it's at a metafin is the term for it and that actually dissolves liver tissue. So it's small doses it can help with a headache, but too much of it or using it too often or mixing it with alcohol or mixing it with another chemical, right, can cause severe liver damage actually dissolves the liver tissue. Wow. And you know, because you want to avoid, because scarring, whilst the liver does repair,

it's very difficult to get rid of fibrosis. You know, that's, you kind of get these like channels or these like veins, look like roots, really. And that's that scar tissue. Yeah. And when those connect is when you start to get cirrhosis. And then you've trapped all this lovely healthy tissue and you've, it can't regenerate because it's been deprived of oxygen and energy and blood and it then dies and you get these spots.

Mm-hmm. But it's, yeah, it's, that's what it's driving. I mean, also herbicides, pesticides, those are all those things. You know, you can't introduce 100,000, 150,000 synthetic man-made materials into the human biome into the body in a hundred years. we haven't evolved to even do it. It took us thousands of years just to evolve to eat like grains. Yeah. You know, or to eat, to do with sugar. It's where a lot of cultures that didn't have sugar, like Native Americans, Aborigines, Polynesians, they'd never had sugar, so they'd never

developed. The liver had an evolve to break it down, so they get diabetes really quick. Okay. That's why, because they haven't evolved that, you know, just like, you know, Europeans evolved against like measles and a lot of diseases, but when they came to North America, the indigenous population hadn't. So evolution, the body's catching up. It's trying to. Right. But too much too quick.

People that they aren't seeing video right now, because I had a big scowl when you brought up Tylenol and it does because some of the most brilliant people that I know, you being one of them now, have consistently brought up that no one should ever touch or go near Tylenol. And that's one of those things that, like, people get so angry about and upset. It's like, dude, We don't have a problem.

This isn't a bash on Tylenol. It's a simple fact. I would like it if you could go into a little bit more detail about that just to get a nice, because you're one of those people that just gives it like it is. You don't have it. You don't pick sides. You just, you just,

and that's what I love about you. And that's why I want to get a little bit more insight from you on it, because I just want simple truths. I don't give a shit what side anybody's on. I just want to know the fact of the fact of the fact. Could you break down exactly in good detail, which I'm sure you have, just what it is about Tylenol in general that people need to be at least aware of, the damages that it can do, and why? Yeah.

Let me start with the headache. So first thing with a headache is your body talking to you and there's a reason usually behind it. It can be inflammation, it could be toxicity. Most of the time it's dehydration. So I always tell people, first thing is drink some water. Okay. A lot of times it's your brain. I mean, you brain's 70 plus percent water.

And if you dehydrated, your brain will start giving your headache and says, listen, you know, we're getting some more some more. some more water. So that's one. If you do need something, I would say ibuprofen, it's tough in the kidney, but you know, you can bounce back from it. That's what I'll take in Advil or I try not to, but if I need something, you know, pain sucks. So I'll take that. Tylenol specifically, the chemical compounds that are in it, like acetaminophen. It actually dissolves liver tissue. So what's happening is when you're taking it and then you're metabolizing it, the chemicals that are actually causing, so it's like causing damage and then the liver's trying to repair it. and it's causing damage.

And then if you take too much of it, the damage overwhelms the ability to repair. And then you can magnify that when you drink alcohol. Right. So it's like you think, okay, so, you know, let's just say, kind of deak out, but let's say like a sword causes two points of damage. So Tylenol causes two points of damage. Alcohol causes three points of damage.

If you take both, oh, so it's five points. No, it's 20. Wow. Because it quantifies. Okay. So you kind of like, it's now multiplying. and then that's causing even more damage, and then that's affecting things like then it's getting inflamed,

and it's causing inflammation. And it's also confounding basically the liver's ability to do its job, then other toxins are affecting it as well. And then if your liver's out of whack, its ability to get rid of other toxins, so that can also cause more. So you start to get into this vicious cycle of damage. And I was with the really interesting lady.

She used to be charged of poison control for the Western U.S., She's based in Denver, the Rockies. And we were talking about liver health, something. And she was saying that the biggest overdoses they get around Christmas are actually teenagers that have overdosed on Tylenol. Because a lot of times they're like, that's probably the easiest access to like a drug. And they'll take too much. And what happens there is they get severe liver damage, liver failure.

And there's a lot of times they'll be liver. You might have to do a liver transplant because you've destroyed so much of the liver that now it's like, okay, we're going to have to put you on the transfer. transplant list because it's dissolving liver tissue. It's the simplest way for people to just imagine it, you know, the chemicals in it kind of dissolves, it dissolves liver tissue. So it's like a lay way to explain it would be kind of like it's like acid, you know, eating this couch, right? If you put something on it and eat it away, and that's what it's doing to the liver. Interesting about Tylenol, we work a lot with Maha and Bobby Kennedy and some cool, really cool initiatives.

And they had come out and discussed, you know, that there might be a link with all Alzheimer's and Tylenol. Palinol. And like the Amish community has like very low or almost unheard of Alzheimer's and didn't take it in Tylenol. So there's, there's some interesting canaries in the coal mine that you can look at. I remember thinking, this is a worry that we have to have with AI and especially with

chat TPTs and stuff like that. AI is incredibly useful for diagnostics and all kinds of things. But it's also very manipulative as well. And if it's an open, open AI, it can be very much done. And so a lot of people now were, it used to be the Oracle was what used to, obviously, God or to yourself and which we should do, people start going to search engines and they get the answer. And then that, because of how much that's controlled now by advertising and money and stuff like

that, that's manipulated by money as well. And now people went to AI and they think, well, chat GPT said that or the AI said this. So that's like this new false like Oracle. old. And an example was, I remember because, you know, when you do a search now, it'll pop up, yeah, and it was Tylenol, because liver damage, should always talk about, you know, Tylenol and, you know, percetamol if you're in England. And those results would come up. And we watched this actually real time. So that news broke about the link between Tylenol, Alzheimer's. And the drug companies were like, you know, ship, let's, we need to sort of stop on this. In the morning, if you would have done a search,

it would have really discussed about all the damage and stuff the Tylenol does. By that evening, chat GPT was telling you, oh, no, no, no, no, there's no link to Alzheimer's, there's no link to this, that's, duh. And that's very simple because at the end of the day, AI just takes what you give it

and then it regurgitates it out the other side being back with this too. So all you need to do and all they did is they just pump, you know, tens and tens of millions of dollars into data and you flood chat GPT with that. So it's now spitting out the answer.

So it's very easy to manipulate it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you've got big money. Yeah. And it was, I remember saying, I was like, wow. So you obviously can't trust this anymore. No.

Because we just watched it from the morning to the evening. The entire narrative on title of all was changed as a reaction to Bobby Kennedy had brought up about the title of link as well. So it's, uh, it's funny because if you search it now, it's way less nefarious than it was when it was open, real open source. Now it's being manipulated the data. But it's still, you ask anybody, you ask any hepatologist or any doctor, and you deep dive on it. It's still number one causes of liver damage.

More than alcohol, more than anything. And, you know, there's so many other alternatives if you've got pained. Yeah. It's just not a good thing to do. It's like another one is, Xanax, actually. Zanax takes about seven years to get out of your liver.

Really? Some of a pharmacological perspective, any good pharmacist will tell you it's a very dirty drug. So like if you really need like a chill pill Like there's volume and there's raspberry pen There's other things you can take But Xanax specifically That chemical that's in there sits in the liver

Wow And you actually get You'll have overdoses to where I think this is what Happened to Heath Ledger Is he used to abuse Xanax And he had stopped taking Xanax And a couple years later

He had taken another Like he was sober for a long time And he took another drug but that drug mixed with the with the Xanax that was still in his liver and that's where it killed him and that you see that a lot actually so some of those drugs that sit there because most drugs get out of your system in like 72 hours yeah yeah because they're bad your body gets rid of them yeah um but some of them kind of they burrow in and they sit there and that's why Xanax is super dirty so I don't once again you know for whatever reason if you you're prescribed you need and like a chill pill and you

you're forced to do that. At least take something cleaner. Yeah. It's like if a headache, you really need a headache, taking, you know, taking an Advil or an ibuprofen, drink some water, you know.

I did not know that about the Xanax. Wow. Yeah. So that's a really dirty, like pharmaceuticalically, it's very, uh, they're very dirty as well.

I've always had those on hand for panic attacks and I've used like one a year for the past, I don't know, a few years, but I'd try to never touch them. Yeah. But it's volume's in and out. Wow.

Yeah. Same effect, really. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Okay. That's another funny reaction. Yeah.

It's not to pass your judgment on whether to take it or not to take it. But if you need to take a pill to chill out, yeah. The anxiety sucks too, right? Yeah. Like if I had a massive anxiety, it didn't, I'd take a volume. Yeah. That's going to cause distress or cause you more damage to the volume well. I used to get the panic attacks.

Yeah. Most of it, I think, was from too much smoking pot, but I stopped smoking pot and they kind of stopped. Yeah. You know, but that's kind of. different story. Certain pots will do that, like sativas and stuff too, because of the neurological effect. That's why if you've got certain psychosis, it can be actually very bad because it can

exasperate or accelerate those psychosis issues or anxiety issues. That's why the form is like edible because it's more of a body high. That's where for cancer patients, it's better because it's just, you're not getting the mental effect. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I used to get actually probably, you know, certain, especially this, the marijuana of this around today because it's so high. It's a different level than like when I was a kid.

You know, you spoke to joint, you chilled out and listened to the reggae music and yeah, giggled, right? The brick weed is just very simple. I mean, now there's so much shit going on. You don't even know what you're actually even smoking. Oh, my God. And then you got the chemicals because it's in the, um, in the vapes and stuff. Oh, yeah.

Kind of like in the old school just to, you know, work a joint and it was a reggae. When I was 11 and I stopped. I gave it up for Lent. I have to ask my wife. I think it's been over two years. Yeah. So I was going on 30-some years and I just. I gave it up for Lent because I was, you know,

Lent, you're supposed to be giving up something that draws you away from God, right? And I thought, man, maybe this is. And I noticed that I was starting to struggle with the panic attacks once I switched to vaping from actually smoking floured. And that's when it kind of started. And it was, I've always been under the impression of, oh, I think clear. I'm more enthralled into what I'm doing. I kind of convinced myself, you know, because I like smoke fun.

But, you know, once I stopped, honestly, I have felt so much. much more clear and the far less frequencies of anxiety and panic. But I think part of that was due to the vaping, to be honest with you, that was supposed to be so much cleaner. And I think it was making things worse. But I want to touch on some of the relations of diet with liver in general. So one, are there any foods or types of diets that you recommend are good for the liver? And two, are there foods that could be potentially doing harm there that, like, we know the

processed stuff and the seed oils and things are obviously not good for multitudes of reasons, but are there others that we may not be aware of that could be causing harm? I've been seeing this in thousands, thousands of people we scan was actually diet sodas. Oh, I don't leave it. Everybody's running around drinking diet soda thinking they're doing a good thing because they were, you know, they were programmed. Yeah. Oh, I'm, you know, it's almost like a virtue signaling. I drink diet soda. But there's chemicals. So we started seeing like, why is the, why are these teenagers having fatty liver disease? And they're like, drink diet soda, diet soda, red okay okay and the parents don't but they're older and they drink alcohol and eat meat and

uh but it's a diet soda and so basically you know the liver as it is intelligent it understands sugar it understands fat and there's alcohol yeah but it doesn't understand all these chemicals and those chemicals are overwhelming the liver and the liver is now seeing that as a bigger threat so i was always saying you have a higher chance to getting diabetes and a higher chance of fatty liver disease if you drink diet soda and everybody thought it was crazy it's like yeah but you're not taking as much sugar in that's how does that make sense like how are you going to be pre-diabetic if you're not really drinking any sugar you always get a little bit of sugar but what's happening is these chemicals are overwhelming the liver's ability and the liver is prioritizing this threat versus the sugar

and stuff it understands so it lets that go through so yes the the gross intake of sugar so much less but the sugar that is going in is being stored and you're you're like short-s circuiting, your liver's ability to break these down. And then this big study came out. I think it was Harvard. Dr. Garrison said to me and I've got a copy of my phone. You have a 38% higher chance of type 2 diabetes as a diet soda drinker than a regular soda. So the science is now caught up with these things that we were suspecting. Right. So that's something I think that people don't realize. And a lot of people, you know, I mean, even in this country, like even a petite, Peter Attia was saying when he went to stand for medical school, you know, days he spent on nutrition,

Zero. So doctors don't know that much about nutrition and how good food is. Yeah. So the public knows even less. So the public's thinking, you know, you're busy with their lives and they're like, okay, light, this should be healthy for me, or diet this or fat-free. It's chemicals. So anything that has chemicals in it or that has those, you know, as I say, that chemical shitstorm

is what you need to think of if you see diet, light or fat-free. That is that a lot of people don't understand that. you'd be much better off eating butter and some beef and a glass of wine that drink a diet soda and eating like a light meal like literally from a liver damage perspective. Totally. But things that are really good for the liver. So, you know, deep greens, beets are really good for the liver. Water's very good.

Coffee's very good for the liver. Wheat. Yeah, coffee's fantastic to the liver. It was, I had a good chat with Dave, Asprey. and obviously he's, you know, changed the whole coffee game. And we were talking about coffee, and I went to some deep research on it. And yeah, you have about 40 to 60 percent less chance of liver cancer if you're a heavy coffee drinker.

Sweet. And we just have to be careful what you put in the coffee. That's where you can run afoul. Yeah. Because it's like what type of milk. Yeah. So just nice. And it's interesting because I used to put a lot of honey or sugar in my coffee years ago.

And obviously stopped doing sugar, you know, because then I would, okay, white sugar is like evil. Yeah. So raw sugar is better alternative. And there's like, okay, honey, which is good for you. Yeah, honey. But it's interesting how your brain gets programmed to like sweet. So you kind of have to come off of like, almost like having an addiction. It's like a sweet addiction.

Yeah. And your taste buds change because if you've been drinking sweet coffee the whole time and then you go and have a regular coffee like, ew. All right? So you've got to, you're like, this tastes like shit. Try protein powder in there, man. Yeah, I do protein powder and a little bit of, it's SCT oil. I don't do MCT oil. Yeah, so the SCT oil.

That's what I put in mine, and it is just like, oh my gosh, it's glorious. It's the next level of it. Glorious. And the boys taught me about that. Yes. Yeah. Where I got it from. That's where I got it from.

I have it three times a day. Yeah. It is like one of my key. Put butter in it too or just the. No, just the SCT. And I put some, I go in and I hate to say formula. I pick my own protein powder. So I design my own blend, right?

So I, because I'm a big animal protein. Yeah. And I do the beef. protein isolate with a little bit of collagen and it's a chocolate brownie natural flavored. Man, and that is all I put in there together. Really? Oh my gosh, brother.

It is like. You got to give me that recipe. I'll give it to you for sure. I learned that about SCT oils. I mean, I knew about them, but really learned about the voice. Glorious.

On that as well. But the coffee is very good, is very good. Water is obviously killer. Yeah. And then it's more importantly is, we can't run around being terrified of toxins, right? because they're all around us and we're getting in the always, is reducing the toxic. So, you know, washing your vegetables, right, getting the pesticides off,

rinsing your fruit, doing things like that, clean water. You know, that's some of the ways that we can start to reduce the toxicity because your body can get by with, with, and make do in certain areas. Fasting is very good, obviously good for the liver, but your liver is actually really good. I was going to go there. I was going to bring that up next about what is it that eating? liver is, why is that so good for us? And what kind of effect does it have of the actual liver? Well, it's so, so high in things, iron and minerals, vitamins. And it's so densely packed with those.

That's why in nature, a lot of animals, so the first organ they'll eat is the liver. Yeah. And if they're well fed, they'll just eat the liver and they'll leave the rest. Because it's so dense and it's so good for you. And iron's good for you too, especially people that are anemic or they're maybe low on iron or they're not, you know, maybe they're, they're not metabolizing or they're not absorbing a lot of supplements. Liver's really the way to go. Like my little, my little boy, or my wife has a little boy, he doesn't like meat. I don't think it's meat.

He's just texture. He's real funny. He's certain things he likes, but we can get any of bolognese. Really? Yeah, because it's not, let's see the meat thing. I think it's a texture thing. Yeah. Color thing.

Kids are fickle. I was the same way. Yeah. So we'll put, we'll actually get ground meat with some liver ground in it. like organ meat because it's so high. Oh, good. Or in smoothies, especially if you do like a berry smoothie where you can hide it, is you can take the beef liver capsules and just empty them out.

Yes. And you're just, that's how we get our little boy. A lot of like those essential minerals and proteins and irons is through liver pills. Yeah, that's amazing. So that's a good little, good little hack. I have the force of nature ancestral meats is where I do. So I always get the liver and heart in there. It is so tam good.

I literally do that five days a week, man. I did the no fat thing. I'm a nutritionist, but I had an eating disorder, and I was terrified of fat still about a year and a half ago. Like right before I met you, I started changing my diet, and I'm telling you, man, that the higher fat diets, I will argue the low-fat diet's what gave me some of the heart ailments that I had and a lot of the problems that I was having that are like night and day different now.

That shit that is in low-fat foods, I want you to talk about that. What do they put in fat-free and low-fat foods to make them low-fat? And they strip all the nutrients out by doing that. Yeah, they strip them out. And then you've got certain preservatives and then binders and then you've got gums. Yeah. Right?

To bring it together. Preservatives are we think about it. You're putting a man-made chemical into an organic material to prevent it from spoiling, which is a natural thing. And that has the same effect when it's in your organs, right? It'll gum up and stall and forego the process of your body. doing this actual functionality. So you've got those, then you've got obviously the pesticides in those, and some of these are chemicals, so the liver doesn't understand them as well.

And then you've got certain, and then they've taken out other, because you need other things to counteract things. It's like juice. If it's got pulp in it, the pulp produces the enzyme to break the sugar down so you don't get the glycemic index spikes and everything you do. But if you take a juice and you've no pulp in it, you've taken out the good bit and left basically the, like, diabetes bet. I didn't know that. So you need the pulp is part of that equation. That's right. If you eat fruit, you don't have that problem because you're getting all the pulp. See, I like the juice with the pulp better than anything. I always want heavy pulp. Yeah, and molecularly, the sugar molecule and alcohol molecule are almost identical. And they

cause about the same damage. Right. So I was with this top hepatologist in London, we were having lunch. And this little kid would cruise by and head like a juice box. And the hepatologist, you see that juice box right there. And I see a kid. He said, yeah. He said, would you let that kid have a beer? Like, well, of course not. You know, ridiculous question. And he says, well, that juice box is causing as much damage. He's just not going to use drunk, but because it's filled with high fruit juice corn syrup.

Yeah. And preservatives and e-nup, e-colors, which are fake food colorings as well, that'll cause maybe even more damage. So I remember that. I was really kind of like, it kind of blew me away. I was never thought about it that way. Because you don't really think about it. You wouldn't. No matter what you buy, I always turn the box around to look at it, too.

One of the ways that they hide artificial things is sometimes natural flavorings. I hate that. And sometimes they're real. You've got to look at who the company is. My wife's nutritionist, too, so she's on it. Oh, natural flavors. But sometimes they are natural flavorings. So we'll research the company and say, okay, they are.

But that's a mask that they hide it in. And then they strip things out and, you know, they, I mean, here's a great example. So you look at the tobacco industry. And the tobacco industry was obviously under a lot of fire and they were going through all the stuff they were going through, and they weren't allowed to put more nicotine in the cigarettes. I was like, oh, we can't put more nicotine. How do we make them more addictive?

Put a chemical in the cigarette that opens up your receptors to where more nicotine gets into the blood, so you're altering your basically blood chemistry in order for more nicotine to get into the body to crave it more. They made a great movie about it, actually, with Russell Crow and Al Pacino, and about how this huge expose, and he was like the most complex scientist's molecular level you could think of,

And that's what they did. Well, if we can't put more nicotine at it, we'll just put other chemicals to alter it. And remember, if you follow the trail, all the tobacco companies bought big food. So the same people that were manipulating our genes and our body chemistry to make the cigarettes more addictive have done that with sugar and with preservatives and like MSGs

and all these things to where you crave certain stuff. And then you get like McDonald's who are the masters have figured out, you know, this type of chemical cheese. cheese releases this many opiids, right? It's a caseo, it's called a caseo opiate. It's basically a form of like, which is an opiates or morphines in the cheese, but we trigger it to where you need some salt and sugar.

So we sugar the fries and then you get the salt from the fries and then you get the sugar and high fructose corn syrup from the Coke and you just have this amazing euphoric effect. That's why when you eat it, like, you know, it tastes really good when you eat it. Yeah. But when you get done, your body's like, my God, well, you know, that was terrible. But they've, you know, they're playing tricks on your biochemistry. Right. And your liver to make them more addictive and then trying to trick your brain into making it think, you know, you're getting like almost a high for it.

And that's what they do. And so they're doing that with these, with the foods as well. So processed food. So the best thing is just do as natural as you can. Yeah. You know, it's better eat less and eat natural. I know it's expensive. But there's farmers markets, this things you can do, you know, you can eat less and eat things.

always turn the back of the packet. Amazon is another great, not Amazon, is actually Whole Foods, which is now owned by Amazon. But Whole Foods used to be when it was started in Austin, it was amazing. And there was a great place to go and to try to get away from all this crap food and this manipulative food and, you know, industrial complex. And it slowly started to lose a little bit of that as they got bigger. And obviously, they followed the money and it got bigger, bigger.

But it was still generally really good. Fast forward to about 24 months after Amazon bought it, you go back and even just go get like the chicken salad from the deli, right? You think this is fresh. You look at the ingredient list or the bread. It is filled with chemicals now because it's more profitable. It's more addictive. People eat more of it. It's cheaper to make.

It lasts longer. All these things. So they get, even like a great company like whole foods has been totally corrupted. But just so I always just look at the, it's easy. We can all do that. Just look at the back of the back. Yeah. What does it say?

There are things that are hidden, you know, know, for instance, like, you know, how McDonald's washes the meat and ammonia, the manufacturing process, so it's not an ingredient. So there are ways that they hide stuff in there, but, you know, we can't running around being, like I said, being stressed, obsessive, but just turn the packet over. Okay, if it's natural, it's going to be pretty good for your liver. Right. And it's going to be generally pretty good for you in moderation. You know, too much sugar, obviously is not good, but fats are incredibly essential. It's right, like, in the morning for breakfast, you know, the best thing to eat is to have, if you, if you

don't fast or your first meal or you're breaking your fast, breakfast, or it's a 12 if you do an intermittent, is you want protein and fat. Yeah, absolutely. Not dessert. And like cereals and pan. That's like dessert food. Yeah. So you want to go fat protein, which is what.

Absolutely. You mean, that's where we evolved to run around to do is we lived off of fat and protein and then you supplement with with some fresh fruits and some nuts and some berries and veg. That's right. I love vegetables, right? Funny that Randall hates vegetables out of there. So, you were talking about it. You were talking to vegetables?

Yeah. Really funny. I love vegetables too. So I love vegetables. Our wife love vegetables, you know, but just protein, fat, vegetables, clean water, drink. Don't stress. That's the best thing you could do for your liver. I don't.

Long answer. Yeah, no, no, no. It's phenomenal. I don't eat a breakfast, so to speak. But when I leave for a morning walk, I want something. So I go straight for the yogurt that I have protein fat or in. But I used to eat that fat-free bread. bullshit yogurt. And when I switch to the full fat yogurt, so that's what I have in the morning,

full fat yogurt with some blueberries and the protein powder. So it's full of protein because I got the protein from the Greek yogurt and the powder, the fat from the yogurt, and then a little bit of the berries for a little bit of carb and the good. The antioxidants. Yes, and the antioxidants, which is what I want in the morning. And your gut biome loves you. That's right. Yogers, caffers, sourcouts, kimchi. Yes. All those are so good for your gut. Yes. And if you, so I wait for coffee for about two hours till I'm up because I don't want to have caffeine right away. So I do that and then I go walk for like 40 minutes. I do like three miles of walking, then come home and have the coffee.

But I've gotten the good fuel already. I can't eat early in the morning for some reason. It just doesn't sit right with me. But it's the fat and the protein is so important. I'm so glad you said that, man, I'm telling you, the years of fearing fat and now to what I've seen the way that it's changed. and I'm going to relate that now to what I wanted to bring up to you about my liver. So I want to talk about, I'm going to relate what you tested on me to what you do.

So, and so for people that don't know, you go do your tests at a lot of the big biohacking conventions amongst where, you know, it's your clinics that you do. But we'll get into that, the fiber scan, what it tests, why it's important. And then I'm going to correlate that into the scores I got and we'll go over my scores. put them on my phone so that I could see the evolution of them. But so what, first of all, let's talk about the liver clinic. Yeah, and then we'll get into the fiber scan and what it is and why it's so important. But what is the liver clinic?

So once again, diagnostics was never a goal of ours. But, you know, we spend very much about evidence and data driven and evidence based. But I've got a good balance between left brain and right brain. Is we were doing clinical studies. So I spent close to 20 million on clinical research and stuff. studies to do the product, to create deliverance. And we were doing all these tests. And I was learning more about fatty liver. And we were relying on what everybody is relying on, which is your blood biomarkers for the liver. You get your panel done and it looks at cholesterol and it looks at kidney

function and the liver panel. And we were saying, so it doesn't, more than what we realized it were like, actually liver panel on a blood test isn't telling you if you've got fatty liver. If your liver enzymes are off. That could be indicative of inflammation or liver problem. Right. It could be, but it doesn't tell you. So we said, well, let's start scanning people. So we did ultrasounds, and we still, to this day, use all the technologies. Ultrasound, but ultrasound will just say fatty or not fatty, not specific enough. It's good if you're trying to find a tumor. It's inexpensive and it's quick. And then we did MRIs, but MRIs are, you know, very expensive. They're very uncomfortable. If you're claustrophobic,

they're nightmare. We had a patient the other day with real bad patient. We, had to do MRI for confirmation. And we had to give him a lorazepam because you get, you get postophobia. So MRI is not a great experience. Kat scan is not specific enough. So we generally use MRI's fibroscan, which I love, which is, fiber scan is the technology. It's called shear wave of gastography. And what it is is it uses sound and vibrations and it pulses into the liver.

And because the liver is, the healthy of the liver is the softer and squishier it is. it sends these vibrations through and then as it reverberates, right? So it's like you kind of like smack like a smacked a bum, right? Like it jiggles. Yeah. Your liver does that, but we're doing it with pulses or sound of vibrations. And with that, depending on how quick the sound moves and the vibration moves to the liver, we can tell how much fat there is and how much scarring or stiffness there is because if it's

inflamed or it's scarred, you can do that. So it's incredible technology, 4,000 papers that's used all over the world. So I really felt in love with fiber scanning. Yeah. There's other companies that use SureWave now, but this is the French brand, which is really high quality, which I like. So we started doing that.

We started comparing the data. We're like, okay, let's see. All these people have fatty liver disease with fiber scan. We went and confirmed it with MRI, but their blood tests are fine. So we realized that's why 90% of people with fatty liver disease. Don't know. Don't know they haven't.

And we've had people that have come in and thought they had fatty liver disease. Oh, I'm like, okay, well, how do you, what gave you this conclusion or how were you diagnosed with it? Like, oh, well, my liver panel is off. Liver panel is not going to tell you if it's off because at the end of the day, it's a lagging indicator, and you just might have had an infection, you might have bit by a spider, you might have had to food points.

There's a million things that could do it. So it's just, it's a one snapshot in time. And it could be indicative of liver damage or liver stress, but it's not going to tell you you have fatty liver and vice versa. Some people think they do when they don't. Right. And so we said, how do we, it's a great Hindu saying, and it's how do you wake somebody up that doesn't know they're asleep?

And so how do we let all these people know if their liver's healthy or if it's not healthy because they're getting a, you know, a very small amount of data from a blood test. Right. So we got into the fibroscanning. And then we're saying, okay, Mayo Clinic has fiber scans. And in London where we're based, the government, because there's a socialized medicine, And we said, okay, we want to start setting patients for a scan. And they said, yeah, it's about a one to two year wait list.

Like, oh, my goodness. And then it was, okay. But to even get on the wait list, your blood panel has to be off. And then if your blood panel's off, they send you home and then you come back and get another blood panel. And then at that's off, they send you for an ultrasound because it's cheaper. And then even to get one, I'm like, so we need to bring this to the public. Because this technology is great.

Everybody uses it. Harvard, Cornell, University of London, ASU. you, all the great hepatologists have it, but they use this technology for sick people that are already sick. They said, well, this technology, it's relatively inexpensive. It's quick to do. It's so safe you can do if you're pregnant, if you've got a pacemaker. The software's so intuitive that operator error is very difficult.

Like MRI, the end of the day is only as good as the level of MRI, but really the person doing it. Yeah. The review, because that's what's so key. That's where AI is actually very effective. to be used to also do diagnostic on an MRI report. And so we went into fiber scanning and just love it. And we were, so you can go and like, we're going to Atlanta to this really prestigious

country club this week, this week. I'm going to give a lecture to the members. It's all the who's who of Atlanta. And then we do a scan day. So we pop up, we rock up with the machine and we'll scan the members and we'll do one every 10 minutes. And they come in, you pull this shirt up. So I just love it is because it's so easy.

So we've democratized it by, instead of it sitting this piece of kit for people that are sick. Yeah. We want to give it to everybody because we want to prevent you from getting sick. So everybody should get the screen and you can see where you're at and you'll know where you're at. And it's gold standard as far as effectiveness. And then if we see something really bad, then you go get an MRI. Right. And I remember the Ecosense people, the ones that make fibroscan, they're like, okay, what's your patient pathway for this,

this is chronic illness. I said, well, I'm not, we're not scanning sick people. Like, what do you mean in a scanning group? They could get that around it. I said, we're going to be scanning the 90% of people that are not yet sick so we could prevent them from getting sick. So we're going to just be scanning, making it, scanning people on mass before, because I practice root cause medicine or functional medicine and is preventing you from getting ill. Like, like, I love this quote. I say it, you know, but you always ask, and I'll ask, I'll be doing a lecture, maybe at school, or at a room and I'll say, well, when did Noah build the arc? And people like, before the flood, before the flood, like, before the rain.

And that's really what functional medicine and root cause medicine is before it even starts raining. That's right. You need to be ready. That's right. And so that's why we really got into the fiber scanning. And, but there was no where to send our patients. So we just said, we're just going to have to open up our own clinics.

Yeah. So, and then what we wanted to do is we partner with existing clinics. We say, listen, how'd you like us to come in? We'll be your liver clinic within your clinic. We'll provide the machines. We'll have the training. And if they are sick, we'll help take care of them and then refer them to a hepatologist or an endocrinologist or an MRI.

You know, so, but to screen everybody to do that, so we did that. And then we were here and we called it Mayo and we said, you know, can you do a cash pay for a fibroscan? Like, yeah, $1,400. So, oh, it's okay. Well, we'd like to start sending you patients. I said, well, they have to be a patient of ours for us to even do that as a cash pay. And we'd like to get a referral.

And you don't need a referral or prescription to get a fiber scan. No. But Mayo was not interested in them unless they were sick. Or they would become a Mayo patient. They'd be going to the Mayo system. I'm like, I can't send you 200 patients a month to get fiber scans, cash pay? And they're like, no. Okay.

I guess we have to start a clinic. So we started clinics in the States. And then we partner with existing clinics. So we do pop-ups to some doctor's offices, maybe, don't have that many patients. Yeah. So we'll move around. But then we have, we have static clinics.

We have partnerships within clinics. And then we have our own, our own as well. But it's, yeah, you couldn't even, I mean, we couldn't send people to do it. So people can come to you now for cash pay if they want in person? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We have several in L.A. We've got one in Lake Nona with, I don't know if you know, there's a showper center there. It's amazing. We have a partnership with them in this huge center. There, we've got a couple of New York, we're opening them up all the time, and we do pop-ups and road shows. But the scanning is so key into shows. You've seen it.

We're so busy at the shows. We have to have two scanners, two doctors, two people, nurses doing the scans or texts. And people love it because it's quick. It's easy. We charge anywhere from three to 500 bucks depending on it. So it's, you know, a third of what Mayo charges. Right. And the other side of the equation is if you've got fatty liver disease, right,

which is 40% of the population, there's no, they don't give you a solution. They just say, well, we'll go on a diet or try to exercise more. That, if you go to John Hopkins right now or Mayo's website, they'll say there's no, no treatment for it, just make these changes. But if you've got stage three fatty liver disease, a diet will take you years. Yeah, I was going to say. And, but we already have the solution. We started with the solution with deliverance.

That's, so deliverance, we reverse fatty liver in usually three months, six months in the outside. So then we're like, okay, well, we've got the solution. now we need to let people know they have it and you tie the two together. We're so effective of what we do from optimizing liver function that we say go get a scan or a blood test with us or with anybody. Take the product and then in 90 days test you again. Yeah.

So we're like we hang our hat on evidence and we always say if we haven't affected your biomarkers within six months, I'll treat you until we do. Right. I can make that that, you know, I would say braggadocious claim only because we're so effective to do that. But so the diagnostics came later and now they tie into each other. And a lot of people, funny, they don't want to get a scan because they're worried that like, I'm nervous. I'm like, listen, don't worry. You're going to have two results. Both will be positive. One, your liver's healthy and you've got nothing to worry about. So, you know, you can kick your heels and cruise on with

your day and have a lovely time. Or we found something. We're going to put a plan together and fix it. Yeah. Because generally, if you do have a liver problem or a set liver. disease or a major liver issue, you're not aware of it until it's very severe. Right. Because there's not a lot of nerve endings in the liver. They don't feel the liver. Mm-hmm. And most of the symptoms of like fatty liver disease are not easily recognizable because

of busy lifestyles, like brain fog, weight gain, bad sleep. Yeah. A lot of other things cause that. But those are the three like big first indicators of it as well. Giving solutions to people is key because if, you know, we wouldn't be doing the scans and we didn't have the solution as much because then, you know, you don't want to just set this or you've got an issue, you know, it was like, you've got to give somebody a plan. And that's why the first plan we tell people is, all right, let's look at your nutrition,

let's change that, but it doesn't cost you money to give somebody good advice. We don't charge for that, you know, just here's some good foods to eat, here's what not to eat, here's conscious choices we can make, here's these things to do. You also have this situation where most of the people with fatty liver disease are actually poor people. or people that economically deprived. And the reason being is because they can't afford maybe as healthy of food or the fresh meats.

So they're consuming cheap calories. And cheap calories tend to be more chemicals made and filled with the preservatives and bad grade meat. And basically so they're suffering. It's very unfair because the people that can afford medical or health or wellness the least are getting the sickest because they're eating the cheapest food. The cheapest foods is causing the most damage. Right.

So we try to do outreach programs and we're going to neighborhoods and scan people. It was one of the things I was talking to Dr. Malone about at the inauguration is connected with this group and kind of like the Mexican border.

We go into these areas because ethnicities too, Hispanics, we get fatty liberties as much quicker than Caucasians well. And they don't, they have no idea they're happening, but they're getting diabetes

and they're putting on a lot of weight and they're getting coronary disease and they're getting heart attacks and a lot of it's because of, because of the food they're eating, but it's giving a fatty liver disease, and the fatty liver disease is causing those conditions. So the foundation of metabolic disease is fatty liver.

The foundation of diabetes is fatty liver. So it starts with fatty liver. I mean, it starts to where we eat, but then fatty liver is this, you can stop it here and turn it around here. Downstream, you're going to lower the chances of type of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, liver cancer cancer disease, liver cancer, Nash,

all the things that come down at it. You've got to, you know, we all have our, you know, roles to play in this. Yours is, is letting the world know

about all these different amazing health people that you speak to and, you know, this fountain of knowledge. Mine is to focus on the liver. You know, you've got guys like Hyman

and, I mean, God bless with Jeffrey Bland that's out there talking, you know, start with the food, what we're putting in. That's why a lot of what needs

to be done in this country is really, is educating the children now. It's all education, man. Yeah. And it's free. Yeah. There's a cost you money down.

Somebody something. That's where it starts. It's gotta be teaching people the right things. It really does. And then it's a trickle down from there. Absolutely. And you shouldn't charge people for that. No.

No. That's why we do this. You know, it's fun. Several things to touch on that you said. You know, I was one of those that I thought for sure when I came to you because my liver enzymes had been messed up for so long. I had a fiber scan number. But it didn't give me the numbers and stuff that you had.

It was something my doctored. recommend. I didn't even know what the hell it was. You know, at the time, I came home from vacation in Florida and my, I can't remember now if it was ALT or AST, but one was 290 and the other one was 201. You want those to be like in the 20s? Yeah, exactly. At least in the 40s, but yes, in the 20s, right? I had prior steroid use, so I had times where they were in the 70s and 80s, but I knew how to get them right back down. So I get back and I'm like, what on earth is happening here? Go to my doctor. Oh, they're slightly elevated and I was like, brother. You know, like, I kept it to myself and I got home and I told my wife, what the fuck does he mean?

These are slightly elevated. This is out of control. So then, you know, that takes time to get down. And then progressively over the next three months, it was down to like 1.30 and 90, which is still way too high. D drastic drop. So, you know, and then I started to make the change from all the low fat foods and everything into more fat, fatty friendly foods and changed the whole structure of my diet. And then when I came to you that was April of 25. Yeah. And that's the, the first scan I got with you, you told me it was tremendous. I got my number here and it says that I was a cap 222 and that E KPA was 3.0. Yeah. And so then I came back to you in, that was at eunmonious. That was in November. Yep. And then I was down to 173 and 2.3. So.

Which is incredible. That's optimal. Is it? Yeah, that's like, that's blue zone. Okay. Yeah. So, well, then let's talk about that. One, what do these mean, the two numbers? And for a drop like that in five, six months, what would cause a drop like that to put me in a more optimal zone?

So we can tell people like, what are some potential things that could do that? And then I can tell you, okay, I did some of that. Okay. So I'll start with the numbers. So the two numbers, the main things that we're looking on with a fiber scan is we're looking for percentage of fat or steatosis. and how much is in there. And you want it to be between about 150 and 250 is green. I consider anything under 200 to be optimal.

Okay. Because you need some. You know, under 250, you've basically got less than 10% of your liver has fat. Got changed within it. Not percentages of it's fat, but there's percentage of your liver that's fatty. And you need fat in there. Yeah. That's good.

I mean, glycans are the energy you get these little balls of fat basically. Right, right. And again, but then it's, That's a slippery slope. Then if you go from like 250 to 260, your fatty liver, and then you're like in the 30 percentile, and then 270 you're a fatty liver disease, and then above 280, you've got stage two fatty liver disease and all kinds of problems come out. Right. And the other thing that's looking at is stiffness. Remember I said, like the softer and squishier the liver is, the better is because the liver is, you know, it gets bigger and it gets

smaller. It grows by 40%. So if you had a big, big meal and it broke it down, it would grow by 40%. It's huge, and then it'll come back. So you want it to be like very like precipitous, like very like flowy and soft and squishy and that's healthy. But if it starts to get stiffer, that can be signs of inflammation and that can be signs of scarring and a sluggish liver. So that's why we're measuring stiffness to the KPA or kilo-Pascals. Yeah.

Mathematical term is essentially how stiff it is. If it is, okay. Yeah. So you were, your stiffness was actually pretty good. Uh-huh. E2. It's an auspicious number, but it is, it is, it is actually. actually more, it's the higher range, but it's within the green. And that could fluctuate,

you know, it does and it will. But you then had a dramatic reduction. We looked at it again, it was much softer, much squishier, and your liver fat was low, good low, you know, as well. And, you know, one of the things that you were doing, which is paramount, and this is so important for healing or for health or people with cancer, is you now have a brain connection with your liver. you're acknowledging your liver, you're taking care of it, and you're also starting to manifest to play that your liver gets healthier because you're now connected with this organ that you didn't know what it did or before. That's really important.

So the most important part of health and healing is your mindset and your connection. I always joke. Have you ever been a hypochondriac that doesn't get sickled? That's true. Yeah. So that was happening. And then I would say, you know, exercise is probably good, water intake, and you're eating probably cleaner foods.

And cleaner foods, so, you know, proteins, fats, vegetables, fruits, and getting out things that are synthetic or man-made or processed. And that should have, those things definitely should have been part of the reduction of it as well. But you are in the green. So you'll bounce around within the green, but you went from green to what I would consider blue or optimal, which is kind of like a, like probably in your 12 years old, right? Like a super healthy liver. It hasn't been, you know, put through all the processes and abuse and substances.

it's happening with. But, you know, and your liver's regenerating. So your liver, when you were having those high ALT and AST markers, your liver was inflamed. That's why those markers were high. And what an ALT-A-S-T is, it's an enzyme. And it's a lot of those enzymes. It means your liver's under stress. Yeah.

And your liver was damaged. So your liver was also healing and regenerating this whole time as well. So in the background, your liver was repairing. And as it was repairing, its functionality got better. and as its functionality got better, excess fat was gone, and also the stiffness got lower, so it became softer.

So your liver was on this healing journey. It was probably whenever you came back, and you might have picked up a parasite, or you might have picked a bacteria when you were traveling. I was in the ocean and everything. So all kinds of things in there could have been causing that stress. So your liver was repairing and healing.

You had the brain spirit connection with your liver as well, and then I would imagine, you know, just that alone would do it, but you probably made some dietary changes as well. Oh, yeah. And, you know, especially if you're eating, like, you said like a fat-free yogurt versus a regular one. So all those things are, are kind of contributing.

It's a culmination of things. Can it over-training or training too much cause stress and strain on the liver too? Yeah, of course, yeah. So that could be. Oxidative stress. Yeah. Yeah.

Oxidative stress causes inflammation. Information causes more oxidative stress. And then we get in this vicious cycle as well. Would you say that what age would you recommend people go in and do a fiber scan. Should they do it early? Well, so there's some factors in there. If they don't have their gallbladder, then they should definitely get scanned once a year. Okay. That's a big thing. Gender-wise, specifically, about two-thirds of people with fatty liberties are men, one-third of women. It's the opposite of Alzheimer's. So it can affect men more as well.

It does, two-thirds. You know, if they've been on a lot of pharmaceuticals, I would say they check more. Yeah. If they've been on a really bad diet, they were, if they're obese, 90% of people that are obese will have fatty liver disease. Yeah. 70% of type to diabetics will have fatty liver disease. And one's causing the other. Fatty liver disease is making the obese worse. But interestingly, it sounds like a confusing number, but just think about it.

So if you're obese, you have a 90% chance of having fatty liver disease. But of the 2 billion people in the world with fatty liver disease, half of them are not obese. So 50% of people with fatty liver disease are thin. Right. So just because your thin doesn't, doesn't, your ethnicity can have a lot to do. Right. So if you're South Asian, much higher percentage chance of it,

a Latin American, Hispanic, have it's a higher chance of fatty liver disease, much higher because of genetic predisposition and how they store glycans and fats. Yeah. And things. So those are factors to look at as well. But if you're obese, definitely, you know, go, you want to get scanned.

If you're a man between 40 and 65 years old, about 70% of them have fatty liver. if you've got high cholesterol, it could be because you're another one of the things the liver does. Not only it creates cholesterol, it breaks cholesterol down. It stores them as well. Fatty liver, you'll have more bad cholesterol, which is LDL, and less HDL, which is your good cholesterol.

And then you have my triglycerides. And more of those is what leads to plaque buildup, which can lead to a coronary disease and plaque buildup and arteries and things like that too. So certain ethnicities, no gall, sweater, obese, pre-diabetic, shit lifestyle, or if you're older, you're just going to have a higher percentage chance of that because you accumulate liver fat, even though you might have had an okay diet, you're just accumulating more and more and more and that starts to build up.

And the fatty of the liver is, your ability to break fat down. So if you go eat a really fatty steak or anything, right, any fat that you consume, 70% of that's broken down by the liver. So the liver doesn't, can't break your fats down as well if it's not functioning. as well. I want to talk about alcohol and the liver and how much of a contributing factor that is in comparison to other things that we've been talking about. First of all, talk about the negative impact that alcohol can have in general, just like one drink, and then over time, prolonged use, and then how is it in relation to being like the number one factor for liver disease

in general? I don't know it's number one for liver. Exactly. Yeah. So it's it. Where does it fall in line? So 70% of liver disease is not alcohol related now. Really? Yeah. So that's another thing. I can't tell you, thousands of times I've asked people about a scan. Like, oh, I don't drink.

70% of people who liver disease don't drink. So that is, you know, that's one of the things that people don't understand. And that's like a big misnomer that you can realize just because you don't drink or do drink. You know, obviously you can have more of a risk of liver disease if you drink than if you don't drink. But if you don't drink, doesn't mean you're out of the woods. Right. At the end of the day, alcohol is toxic. Yeah. And you drink one drink and your liver's, if it's functioning well, it will break it down. Yeah. And that's why you don't really get a, you just kind of feel, you get a nice little feel, but you don't get too much. Yeah.

But if you start to overwhelm it, you're causing more and more damage and the liver can't break it down as quick. So the repair, the damage is outweighing the repair. And it's causing that. And it's when you drink alcohol, your liver produces these enzymes to break alcohol down and metabolize it and convert it as part of the detoxification. process. The byproduct of that is actually what's super toxic. And if that, that's really what gives you a lot of the toxicity aspects as well as the byproduct. Just like eating protein. So when you eat protein, your liver breaks the protein down. The byproduct of that is ammonia. That's why if you've got a bad liver that's not functioning very well and you're eating a lot of protein, you start to get too much ammonia. Even too much ammonia in your blood, it can break down your blood brainberry, which allows more toxins into the brain,

and ammonia can actually cause brain damage. So there's a whole connection with the brain and that as well. So different things have byproducts. It's like a waste material. Wow. And the waste material from alcohol is incredibly toxic as well. And, you know, alcohol also can cause inflammation. Obviously, it causes liver damage.

The byproduct of breaking it down causes liver damage. And that's why you start to, don't think is properly when you're drunk. Yeah. Because you're toxic, right? And the toxicity is affecting your brain. So it has those effects as well. And I'm a, you know, I'm a proponent of, I think a glass of wine or light drinking if you can keep it cool and drink water with it or take a deliverance or take a milk distiller in low amounts because it de-stresses you is actually good and you laugh more if you're drinking sometimes. But it's very difficult to control that. Yeah. So alcohol does cause damage for sure. And it's,

too much if it can cause a lot of damage. There's two camps for, you know, drinking a glass of red wine every day, which is a low amount, has benefits for the reservatrol and heart health and all that too. Some people, I like that. Some people don't, but it is at the end of the day. It's toxic for you,

but your body can deal with a lot of toxicity as well. But alcohol is, you know, there's all kinds of negative effects of alcohol, not only on the physiology, but on inflammation and on the brain, letting more toxicity in. There's a whole spiritual aspect of it as well. I mean, because remember, you know, the way they call, you know, beer, wine, and spirits.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spirits was a term that came out because when people drink too much, like, heavy alcohol, like gin or vodka, because it's so concentrated, people, some people are crazy. Yeah. And it also lowers your spiritual guards, so more people could be, I think, possessed at that aspect. And they call it spirits because it would allow evil spirits into you. Really? And evil spirits would come out because people would. would act like I never do it.

They held that mad. That's about spirits because they thought in medieval times. And actually is probably correct. It would allow more evil spirits and more spirits come out of it. Well, yeah, even in the Bible. So they have to be a drunker than a drink to your drunk. Yeah, I don't, yeah. And I love a glass of wine, but I don't drink to get drunk.

Yeah. I drink to relax or just to chill or to go with food. But never to get drunk. Yeah. Alcohol, you know, think about it. That's why they call it spirit. So they thought there was evil spirits in the bottle. Because you'd be like, well, he danked this bottle with this alcohol.

and he turned into a madman or he became evil or became abusive or all the negatives that can come with drinking in excess can you decide physiological damage psychological damage emotional damage the damage you do to other people we think how much abuse and things that come out of people that have been drinking too much and you know bad decisions and you know and the other side of the coin and like doses you can have fun and laugh with your friends and it can be silly yeah but it's not for everybody and you know is it better to drink or not to drink of course is better not to drink. It does cause a lot of damage. But, you know, if you tell people don't drink, they're going to drink more, yeah. You have to just, there's the dangers of

drinking. These are the dangers of this, you know, weigh things out accordingly. If you are going to have drink, drink a lot of water, make sure it's high quality. Whatever you do, don't mix it with Tylenol, don't mix with pharmaceuticals, you know, don't make it, like if you're antibiotics and you drink alcohol, not only have you destroyed the antioxidic, the antibiotic, the good it's doing. Yeah. But you're causing liver damage. Right. So it's, you know, it's a very, it's playing with fire to a degree. Yeah, the best thing that I always tell people is, look, dude, do whatever you want. I'm just going to tell you what it does and it's up to you. I'm not going to tell you, don't do it. You, here's the facts. You run with it, however the hell you want to run with it. I would recommend not, though. Yeah. So if, for instance, if you haven't drank for years and then you have one drink and you notice the one drink really hit you as opposed to before it wouldn't, is that because that your liver's not recognizing it and not breaking is down as well or why does that happen? Well, your tolerance has changed.

So your threshold for that because it's not producing the enzyme that breaks alcohol down as much, so you have less of them. So, okay. That's why like Aborigines, Native Americans and certain Asiatic cultures get drunk really quick. Yeah. Because their liver's not producing that enzyme because it didn't need it because Aborigines haven't drank for thousands of years like Europeans have.

So they don't have that enzyme or genetic, maybe a genetic differential where they don't have as much of it. So there's lack of it. So if you're not drinking for a while, you'll stop producing that enzyme. And your liver will say, well, let's produce an enzyme because maybe he's eating a lot of fatty foods. So we need to produce more of the enzyme that breaks the fats down. Or the yoga, it's due less of it. And also, a high tolerance is actually usually indicative of liver damage.

Right. So people that have a really high tolerance probably actually have more of a damaged liver. You would think, oh, well, oh, well, if my liver's damage, I should feel it more. Uh-uh. It's the opposite. Right. It kind of numbs it. Yeah.

To a degree. And then you, you know, you have the effect. to brain chemistry and how it tastes. Like if you haven't drank in a long time, and you have a drink, like, ew, right? Once again, it doesn't taste good. And that's your brain telling you it's bad. But if you start drinking, your pleasure centers and those serotonin and dopamine, those chemicals are like, yeah, but you feel really good.

And that it's like, told your taste buds to be quiet. Yeah, exactly. Now, I, when I was in my 20s, I mean, I was partying four and five days a week, and I stopped drinking completely. So if me and Queenie would go on a vacation, I'd have a drink. maybe one a year or two and I'm just like I'd tell her after half a one because I drink Grand Martin out of the rocks and I was like okay that's what I'm going to have yeah that idea that idea I was having trouble walking back to the freaking car and half a drink and I used to have

five six seven of them out of time no problem but I feel better knowing that I don't drink anymore yeah and you'll never shut that enzyme off to it and your body's also telling you you're thriving right now by not drinking exactly it's this is what's going to happen this Your body's also speaking to you. Right. It's like eating the fast food when you have it for years. And it's just, it means,

you end up making you feel bad either way. But if you haven't for years and then you have it, it's just like, what did I just do? It's just a horrible feeling. Funny, because the anticipation of certain fast foods is like, the best,

like the most pleasure is the anticipation of it. Yeah. Right when you eat it. And then you spend the rest of time regretting it. It's like the freaking commercial sells you on it. That's why here you're out. You're a program to do it. Yeah.

So, okay, I want to get, because we haven't talked about delivery. yet and I want to get into the product itself and so for people watching, you know, me and my wife both got sick last week and you sent me a bunch right away. So I want to talk to you about one, you know, the benefits on the liver, but why would you send it to me when I'm just sick in general? Because, I mean, I know why, but tell everybody else why because of the consumption of what's in it and everything. But how does it work and why is it so beneficial when

you're sick, especially? The livers were the most supported organs for your immune system. And And deliverance was built off of three pillars. And I didn't want to do like a lot of supplement companies do and say, well, I'm going to make one for your brain, one for your immune inflammation, and one for your liver. So we combine them all together. It's called deliverance because it's my deliverance from losing loved ones to liver disease. And deliverance means to take you from evil to good or to take you from, to set you free from a bad thing. Love it. It's a lot of use in church a lot of it.

It's a great, great biblical. There's a lot of meaning and everything we do. especially I do and all these deep, deep essences of it. But that's the name. But it's a combination of all these things. And the reason it took 18 years of R&D is I would do a clinical study and then I would do, I would look at the results and then I would change the formula. And then I would, I formulate based off of evidence and science rather than just, you know,

and I probably were as younger. We just come out with a great formula and sell it and okay, feedback's good. Yeah. No, no, no. Now we go tie everything to test and blood test and scans. What are the most important things to optimize liver function? Okay, so oxygenization in the blood, how we're dealing with parasites, how we're dealing with inflammation, how we're dealing with antioxidants, how we're doing the free radicals, how we're doing with neuro pathways and

neurotransmission, et cetera. First symptom of fatty liver disease is brain fog. And as we were saying, the connection between if your liver is not functioning as well, your brain isn't functioning as well. Your cognitive function is less. So I put a neurotropic in it to make you think a lot clearer and faster. And we put different types of anti-inflammatories in it because I'm trying to get you out of that cycle of, I've got oxidative stress, which is causing inflammation, and inflammation is causing oxidative stress. And a lot of great practitioners and doctors will tell you that chronic inflammation is a source of most disease. So we put in a lot of different anti-inflammatories, and we put really high amounts of bioavailable antioxidants. It's not, it's qualities, I'm a quality,

not quantity person. Yeah, absolutely. So the quality and how it's being absorbed and the bioabsorption, how it's going into the bloodstream, and then how are we making the blood flow around increasing metabolism, more oxygen in the blood. So it's a combination of optimizing liver function. That's the one pillar.

And the other two pillars that are holding this up is the brain neurotropic, making you think clearer and faster, and then antioxidants, anti-inflammatories. And that's why we have such amazing results by people that take it. Usually because of the nanotechnology that we use, You start to feel the mental clarity really quick. Yeah. And within weeks, your skin and your hair improves because your liver is also in charge of

your skin and your hair. Your largest organ in the body is your skin. Your largest internal organs, your liver. And most skin conditions are actually under the skin and they're like icebergs. Most of it you don't see. And if your liver is really healthy, more collagen, more blood, more oxygen, less free radicals, more antioxidants, is your skin looks better. So your skin and hair start to glow, start to lose a little bit of weight because

of your metabolizing liver fat better. Yeah. And then if you look at biomarkas, it helps for cholesterol, fatty liver, etc. But in your scenario, obviously I wanted you to get the benefit of it for the mental clarity, but okay, you're sick.

So your body is now dealing with probably some inflammation. It's got a lot of oxidative stress and you've probably got a bunch of free radicals cruising around. Whether I didn't, you know, we didn't go into whether it was viral or it was an infection. But either way, we need your immune system and you're in a little soldiers to be fighting as good as they can. so by taking two or three of these a day,

I'm giving you lots of antioxidants, which is like ammo to get rid of free radicals. I'm lowering your inflammation, and I'm increasing your powerhouse of your immune system, which is your liver. When liver's the hero in this whole thing, we just support the hero. Right.

And that's why I said, take more because, you know, that's why you reduce, more sunshine, all these things, less stress. But I was like,

you know, just relax. That's just chill. Right? Because, you know, anything you can do to get, your immune system because your body is fighting a battle internally. It's under attack and you need it

to prevail. Right. So it's a combination of all those, you know, positive energy and sunshine and nutrition food and chicken soup and collagen and protein and good fats and deliverance. And it was, you know, you needed all these things to your love. Obviously, loving yourself. Your wife loving you, you're loving your wife. And, you know, all these things are going to get you healed much, much faster. Excellent. So that's why I sent it to you, double up. Yes. Because you love, Yeah, I do. Yeah, you're doing really good God's work and I see what you're doing. I feel what you're doing. I know people are affected by what you're doing. So, you know, there's not as many of us as there are the other side. So we have to be all helping each other on this journey. I thoroughly, thoroughly agree, dude. I've told you from the moment we start talking like how much I love you and appreciate what you do. And we see very, very similarly on so many things. And I love the amount of information that you have. the way you convey it because sometimes there's a lot of smart people but they don't really know how

to convey the information well and they don't make it understandable or fun and and it's really nice to have those conversations and to get a better understanding that you know this there's a lot of concepts that you and I both know that have a ton of misconception just like every I mean how many have we already just broached upon on this conversation alone and I'm sure that's a big battle for you in general that maybe not even a battle, but just something you have to overcome, a little barrier. There's a lot of misconception or lack of understanding on the liver in general. So I appreciate everything that you do. For this product here, do you sell it on your website?

Is that the best place to get it? So we sell on the website, especially in the UK, we're a British company, but we're now much more in the U.S. High-end pharmacies. We have partnerships for some of the most amazing hotels, like, six senses, spas and four seasons and peninsula. functional medicine doctors, integrative medicine. So online or if your practitioner carries it as well,

those are probably the best basis to get it. But the quickest is online. Yeah. And that's, you know, we, it's great because we got very blessed. We got the URL that says what we're doing, which is love your liver. I love that. So it's love your liver.com. Yeah, it's awesome.

And I always say love your life. Right. And I think that's one of the things that is probably the most important things for everybody's health and everybody's happiness. and we've been programmed that it's selfish to do this, but it's actually selfish not to love yourself. Yeah, I agree. The most important person in the world to love is yourself.

Yeah. And our ability to love others is only limited by how much we love ourselves. So that's the most important. You know, love God, love yourself. Yeah. And then you shine brighter and you could love others. And so loving yourself and taking care of yourself. So we try to reinforce that in the messaging, love your liver.

You know, it loves you, it takes care of you, love your life. And appreciate what you are. have because it's like that great, I love analogies, but you know, the oxygen masks in the plane. Yeah. They say if you're with children, put it on you first. Right. Then your child. And it's think of you, you'd be like, well, no, of course, I put it my child first.

But if you're not, if you don't have it on you, you can't help your child or help anybody else. You have to take care of yourself first. And then you can take care of those around you. And a lot of people in the health industry and doctors in all kinds of facets of life don't give themselves enough self-love. And they need to really to kind of to do that example. as well because it's yeah so it's it's paramount i love that i love the mentality i love the faith part into this i speak on that constantly and i i argue because i talk about mind and body connection

which we know as you've been discussing here but i have like a a king in the middle and then a side side so it goes mind's body but it starts with spirituality at the top and i think without that you can't really get well actually i don't think i know you can't have the other two it doesn't work. So I appreciate that kind of talk with you too that we can talk about that and relate about it and understand it and implement it and hopefully encourage others to do that. If people want to get the fiber scan, they can look up clinics to where you're located to come and do it or come to shows that you're going to be at. Correct. Yeah. And then as we're adding more partnerships like we just partnered with Next Health. Okay. And they do all this incredible stuff. But I'm like,

what are you doing for liver? They're like, they're like a blood test. I'm like, none of it. So now we're like going to be opening liver clinics with them. We got some of their locations. We do the pop-ups. We do road shows. We're going to be, our goals to have a thousand clinics globally in the next three to four years. Whoa. And, but we'll do that by partnering with other doctors as well.

So like, let's collaborate. One of the highest forms of consciousness is collaboration. Yeah. So collaborating with other people. But right now, you know, we've got some clinics in the West Coast. You've got some clinics in New York. And we're opening more and more. As well, London, we've got loads.

I'm sure. But we're trying to. do more and more and get those out and get those going. And, you know, if we don't have one, it will help you find one to do as well. You know, Medicare will cover a scan. A lot of private insurance will. You might have to get something else done before it to get the insurance. I mean, insurance industry is going to realize that, you know, the best thing for them to do is prevent people from getting sick, but they're so intertwined with the drug companies that this very nefarious kind of relationship, most incestuous.

But preventing you from getting ill, that's the future. That's what we say in the UK will save the NHS. Bobby Kennedy is very much about that. What's happening in this country is the most incredible things happen that's non-political in the last year and a half is what's happening with health. Yeah. And Bobby Kennedy's doing, you know, so it's not a, don't maha in health is not a political thing. children's health is apolitical.

Yeah. If you try to bring politics into children's health, you're an asshole. I, you know what? I did the vaccine interview recently, and the only reason I did the interview was when I got the data on the children, and I got so pissed off. I said, I don't give a shit what anybody says. I got real life data here when it comes to kids. Hate me all you want.

I don't care. I really don't. Because when it comes to them, it's like, dude, if you're not on board with factual stuff about kids, I just question. your whole reality of existence. Yeah, it's evil. If you would rather stick up for a company or a product, which a vaccine is just a product, then over a kid, I don't know.

I'm worried. I'm very worried. Yeah. The first people that really broke and whistleblowed during the COVID thing was obviously Dr. Malone. Yeah. One of the greatest scientists of all time with vaccines. Because once they started, he shut his mouth, but once they started giving him.

it to pregnant women and to children, he said, that's enough. And then he just, he risked his whole career. Yeah. He was blackballed. He was done that. And also was McCullet to a degree. But it was the chief science officer for Pfizer. For Pfizer, once they started trying recommending it, like, we could sell it to pregnant women.

We could sell it to kids. And he, he got, they destroyed him or tried to. Yeah. And he broke, you know, a lot of those, that's what the, you know, when you, that's broke, the straw that broke the camel's back. is when you start messing with children. That's where I love, like, Dell Bigtree's a friend. Yeah.

Dell takes the liver in so long time. We felt his liver. And, but he was, you know, my children aren't vaccinated because of Dell and Bobby Kennedy years ago, when I, before, way before, uh-huh, on that as well. But Dell, you know, it was crazy when, when, you know, not one child vaccine has ever had a safety study done on it. And he cross-examines these vaccine experts and they won't answer the question. Like, it is, that just.

I did the interview with Aaron Siri that we did the three hour interview. Wow. I did. Yeah. Like that's, I read his book on a flight when I was going to do some podcasts because he approached me to do the interview. And I told Queenie, I said, I want to do this, but I want to also be a little careful. And I read the book. I was like, done.

I'm doing the interview. I don't give a shit. Yeah. He's a hero. Yeah. And look, we have a platform to use. I believe God gave it to me. He's not going to take it from me for exposing something that needs to be exposed.

So I said, I just trust God. just do it and they'll be fine. Yeah. And I learned a great deal from it too. So, man, I can't, I could have talked to you for four hours, I guess, or five. But I really, really am so glad we got to do this. We'll definitely do another one because we've got plenty more to talk about. And a lot of things to go over in private, too, that we can discuss too.

But, man, I love the conversation. I love you. I love the pleasure. Energy is amazing. Yeah. It is. I love the funny shit we get to say to each other off camera, too. That's great, man.

So tell everybody where to follow you online, the best places. Oh, so love your liver.com. Yeah. And then it's deliverance elixir on Instagram and then the liver clinic. Yeah, the two. But yeah, deliverance did. And it's so much a fountain of knowledge and as well, but those are the best places. Yeah, love your liver, love your life.

You know, have a relationship with this incredible organ that never stops fighting for you. I love it. Yeah. Thanks for coming to see me. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it. All right, everybody.

That wraps up another one. I hope you enjoy this as much as I. I did, which I'm sure you will. Check Siggy out all over the place. He'll be speaking in person to if you get a chance. You don't want to miss that and at least get to the clinic to see him. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli and Siggy Clavian, signing off.