The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 110.) Jay-Z at Roots Picnic + ICE Clashes in NJ (6/1/25)

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

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Just don't call in a podcast. The Ebro-Lora Rosenberg Show. Hey, hey, hey. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, the phone number is 844, ELR, ELR 3. You got it on the ELR show, Ebro and Laura in Rosenberg, having some time with the family in Italy. In Italia. Yes, and he's out there for WWE, too.

So he's working. Oh, yeah, it's a combo. And vacationing, yes. That's right. I forgot that this was a combo. That's dope. That's right. Listen, man, there's a lot of local stuff going on here in New York City that I wanted to get to today.

But the big story in music is Jay-Z. Listen, it surprised everyone. A new look, a lot to say. Surprise. I think that's what I'm kind of, I think that's the biggest headline for me. It's that people are surprised. Like, is it the hair? Was it the freestyle?

What did you think Jay-Z was going to do? You know, I just... In this moment. When I look at Jay, I just feel like he's... I don't want to say he's above it. I just didn't think he was going to address anyone. You know what I mean? I just feel like he's home.

I thought he was just going to go be his great self. And I just didn't think he was going to address anyone. And he sure didn't. did well yes he did uh he did it in a true jZ fashion just like he did with takeover where everybody got addressed in one one record one freestyle one moment yeah you know um but i don't you know look i think when look when we see jZ we see uh multiple individuals obviously you see a husband and a father uh you see a businessman who's been tremendously successful that's right uh but people forget that he's also a rapper, bro.

I think so. I think they think like as a rap. It's like, and I always I always had this conversation with people where you know, you look at this kind of like whether you're a DJ, whether you're a you're a, um,

you know, an MC. When you get out here to compete, you get out here to compete. You're not just showing up to like, especially if you feel like you still got gas in the Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, you're not wrong. You're not just showing up to just be like I'm happy to be here.

I'm Jay-Z, bro. Like, what are you talking about? It was exciting, though. No, it was, it was phenomenal. I want to take your phone calls because I want to know how you felt about seeing a hove at the Roots Picnic. Shout to Sean G and Quest Love and everybody that made the amazing weekend down there at the Roots Picnic happened. Badu closed out last night. It was amazing Black Thought Waleh moment.

There was an amazing brandy moment. moment, Kailani moment. Do you see Brandy in all cross colors? Yeah, no, I'm here for it. I was into it. I was into it. But yeah, man, Jay got it everybody. People, and by the, and you know, people are acting as if, you know,

they didn't have their time to say what they wanted to say about Jay without him responding. Oh, they, that was a lot sad. Everybody got there, you got your licks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You took your shots. You threw your rocks. You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, had you a moment and now it's his.

Do you want to watch? Let's have a look. Let's have a look. Yeah, let's watch the full freestyle. Let's do it for those who missed it. Patty's turning a hundred and she would have transitioned for I clear my name. I would have hunted them.

Every one of them playing these silly games. That 1-800, Ambulance chasing would a wish one came. But 9-1-1 is a joke. Public enemy number one I've been ranked. The rock's not crumbling. The leprechauneration. magically run out of pranks your son on the federal jail line mumbling something about having too much in his drink you know how dumb that is another one fumble his wonder how

I get the blame niggins teeth is tumbling out their mouth and somehow I'm the one who done it is a murder mystery gang who's the hair yeah what you'll punch cowl and fuck it what you'll pop that hill you can die on it's way too much flat that comes from those pain I'm killing them softly Don't need to be explained you want in one way it's the other I steal on you suckers I'm all of you niggas game I ain't much for meetings no how cancel the brunches I remember the hunger pain the price of the bricks going up it's gonna cost you a beat and even say my name I heard of a wonder king my children and some of them have you niggas no shame you're trying to get under skin I really get under skin

ask unhow I'm playing thoughts with your thumbs again everybody bit they're the ones insane you're no maniac Watch our saniac in my presence nigger shrink I need a new therapist this shit is not working I'm truly on the brink y'all better not encourage you You don't want me to think these thoughts that I think That nut-ass nigger still stuttering That chatty patty down on his luck again

West introducing me to Jack well I don't know why I still fuck with him That lady back on the stuff she sounds like she in love with him My kid can't even take their kids. Enough of them. A rapper can't beat my eye. I got mag of Republicans. Those shots came from the very time for the government. Good luck with them.

I'm governed by guard. You're trying to break the government. I've prayed for 40 days. My neck get flooded again. Risk get flooded again. Net worth went up again. My next update, the jig is up. Up 10.

Wrong chart, champ. You gotta look up again. Niggas look up the hole. I never looked up to them. them Crackers got your publish Yeah Crack's about your publisher talk

is my favorite talk Man The boots remember Even when the trees pretend Not too much of my name Don't forget who I am He loves her Shawnee's S-H-A-W-N I find it adorable she put the S at the end

You don't know the show ain't even begin I said you don't know The show ain't even begin Yeah. Wow. Now, I do see Rassan sent this a little tidbit in the group chat. I don't know Rassan if you put this, put this little tidbit in because I want to move it out the way early. Which one? The conversation about Hove and the GQ interview saying, you know, what he said about the battle with Drake and Kendra. We love the excitement. And I love the sparring and the music you get. but in this day and age

it's so much negative stuff that comes with it they almost wish it didn't happen really wish yeah because it's not it's almost like it's a final thing now people that like Kendrick hate Drake yeah no matter what he makes

no matter what he says and it goes far too it's like attack on his character and his thing and it's like I don't know if I love that yeah I don't know if it's helpful to our growth I don't know. We're the fallout lands,

especially on, like, you know, on social media, which takes place every day. Yeah. And now you have these pods of cult. The Stan Armies fighting. Yeah, and it's like, it's too far. Yeah. It's like bringing people kids in it.

Yeah. And it's like, I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that probably, you know, I sound like the old guy, Wagner thing. But I think we can achieve the same thing as far as, like, sparring with music with collaborations more so than breaking the whole thing apart. Yeah. It could stand it before because there was no social media and there was no thing.

And, you know, you had the battle. It was fun and then you moved on. Right. Right now, I don't know if it could stand it with the technology that we have. Because it takes up so much oxygen. It takes up so much oxygen. Yeah. Now it's just like every day they're just trying to take.

Like they're still talking about it. Not just talking about it. Not like, yo, this song I like this. It was like trying to tear down the people's life. Yeah, yeah. It's like trying to, you know, wreck this guy's marriage or this guy's relationship with his child. And it's like, I don't know, man.

I don't know if, I don't know if it's worth it at this point. Yeah. I don't know. That's interesting. Again, I love the idea that we got so much music and such a short period of time. Great music. Just everything around it was just like, man,

And it's like taking us a couple steps back. Yeah. And we've just grown so much that I don't know if, I guess I'm going to say it. I don't know if battle. He says, I don't know if battling. And basically he's unsure is what you're seeing right there because the narrative a lot of people are trying to run with right now is Jay Z said battling was bad. Yeah, you're calling him a hypocrite.

But is that what you're seeing in that clip? No. I look at it like he said, I don't like it. You know what I mean? I've done things I don't like. You know what I mean? I've been taken out of character before. Like, I don't like seeing people like fight.

You know what I mean? But there comes a time when you get tested that you're like, all right, well, I'm going to go ahead and step up. So I don't necessarily think he's a hypocrite because I agree with everything that he's saying. Because nowadays, when you look at social media, no one actually listens to the music. They just take sides. Like there's no way that Drake could put out something good. No way because he sucks. That's right.

And even though he has bangers, there's no way Kendrick can put out something good. And I would like to add to that, Laura. We don't know if those individuals who take these stances online honestly believe that in real life. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times we take people what people are doing on social media at face value like they really believe it.

But are they really just trolling the algorithm for reaction? Yeah. I just want to insert that because sometimes we're acting like this is really who people are in real life. Yeah, but I think multiple things can be true at the same time. I think there's people who, yes, algorithm hustle, there's bots and there's real people who have lost their minds and have made it their entire identity to be a fan. Like that exists. There's plenty of people who no matter what, you know what I mean? When you look at their social media profiles, they're real people who are.

obsessed with this artist and no matter what they do, they'll stand by them. Well, look, when I see Jay-Z talking there, what I see is somebody who has engaged in these things and he admits to being at an older age and analyzing what just took place with a Kendrick and Drake battle. Now, obviously, that's before what he does at the Roots picnic, but he's literally sitting there saying he doesn't know. He's not, he's unsure. He's unsure if battling like Kendrick and Drake went at it is the way forward. Um, he's unsure if, you know, that's going to keep growing individuals as human beings or growing the culture, et cetera, et cetera. And he also proposes maybe there's an opportunity for people to collaborate and, and still engage in back and forth.

I can tell you, uh, from the, the lines you just dropped right there, hove in your roots freestyle. I don't think any of those individuals are going to want to collaborate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe not. However, he went at Nott's pretty crazy back in the day and they ended up collaborating. And you know what I mean?

After a while. Not sure that's what's going to play out with Dame, Tori, Kanye, Jaguar Wright, Nikki, and Drake. I mean, and by the way, on that list, it's probably only Drake that would be the opportunity to collab. But I have not, well, yeah, because I was going to say he's not collaborating with Jaguar Wright. I don't care what happens in the future. Could, could Kanye have a shot in the future? Damon Hove ain't collaborating. That's not happening.

That's not happening. That's not happening. Tori, look, man, Tori, I hope, you know, and I've texted him recently as he was rolled out his last project. And obviously there's hopefully positivity on the horizon for Tori after his situation's cleared up. I don't think Tori and Hove was ever going to be in the collab schedule. Yeah, I don't think so. You know what I mean?

Who you got over there, Griff? Be Tweedzie from Detroit. Be Tweedzie. Just, thanks for checking in, 844, ELR, ELR. The question is, how'd you feel about Hoves freestyle at the Roots picnic? Yo, this V-Tweezy from Detroit, man. And when I felt about it, I felt like it's the right message, but it's the wrong timing. I feel like, lyrically, it's a little bit too complex for the audience that we have today.

I feel like if he would have just dumped it down and dialed it back a few years back and been a little bit more direct it's more relevant to today's type of battling and forms that they have in hip-up. Thanks, Vee, Tweez. I vehemently disagree. Yeah, I don't guess what Hove

don't need to do at this stage in his career? And I've seen this a couple of times where there's individuals trying to act like Hove cares what a 17-year-old thinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At a certain point in your life and where your intellect is at, or your creation or where you're going on your path, stopping and making sure everybody else catches up,

I'm not with it. I mean, other people might be in that's your path. V Tweed's we love you for listening, A44, ELR, ELR, 3. I want to take your calls about how y'all feel about hobs freestyle at Roots Picnic. But like, yeah, I disagree with V Tweez. Yeah, never. I've never thought of, damn, maybe he should dumb it down. We're talking about Jay Z here.

Go to clip 9 from me, Rassan. Shout to Mickey Fax out there, who at Mickey. Dot Fax with a Z on IG, and he's an emcee, been around for a while, putting in work. His breakdowns are pretty, pretty dope. Hope thugs in harmony dis Drake,

Kanye West, Nikki Minaj, Dame Dash, Oskino, Tori Lanes, and Un Rivera. Who got shot the worst? Patty's turning a hundred. And she would have transitioned. If I clear my name, I would have hunted them. Every one of them playing the silly games.

That 1-800, Ambulance Chaser would a wish one came. But 9-1-1 is a joke. Public enemy, number one, I've been ranked. The rock's not crumbling. The leprechauns are magically run out of pranks. Your son on a federal jail line mumbling something about having too much in his drink. You know how dumb that is? Another one fumbled his wonder how I get the blame.

Niggins teeth is tumbling out their mouth and somehow. I'm the one who done it. It's a murder mystery gang. Jay Z just three people in eight bars. Most people focus on Dame Dash and Torrey Lanes, but he really starts off shooting at Tony Busby, the attorney that have filed charges to Jay Z after Diddy's accuses came to light. Known for personal injury and wrongful death cases,

the attorneys we see on billboards is who Jay Z referenced him to, giving a nod to public enemy with their hit single 9-1-1-1 is a joke. Incredible wordplay. While this is happening, he's shadowboxing 100 and hunted them. Rhyming that pattern throughout. Hunting and hunted is a glitch in how new. Yorker say it. He then transitions to Tory Lane's who he alleges was drunk talking on a jail call after the infamous Megan Estallion incident. Teeth is tumbling out their mouth is a reference

to Dame Dash while also lying through their teeth and Jay references murder mysteries and whodunits. Incredible Easter eggs all throughout for a lot of people to miss. There's so much to break down. So stick around and follow Pendulum Inc for more breakdowns. If you want one, now is the time to get it. Yeah, shout to Shout to Mickey Fax one more time. Another piece of that 9-1-1 is a joke I pointed out in Mickey Fax's

comment section. Remember the quote-unquote allegations of Hove being in the Epstein files was from a tip line. Yes, yes. Right? It was an FBI tip line because it's a joke. Like not only was his

the allegation not actually in the Epstein Fowls. It was just in a release that came out at the same time as the Epstein Fow. And it was so ridiculous at the time that they were just like, we're not investigating this because it was so ridiculous, guys. Come on. Who you got over there, Grip? Shod, he was actually at the concert. Shot coming to us from, you drove down from the New York area or you live in Philly, Shad?

Hello? Shad, you there? What's happening? You're on Ebro, Laura Rosenberg. Oh, what's good, baby? He was good. Yeah, yeah, I was down at the Roots picnic, and he just wanted to say it was fire. Jay brought out everybody, you know, freeway, all the state property and all that. That's right, meek mail. Jasmine Sullivan. No one worried. What did you say?

Yeah, I say he brought out Jasmine Sullivan as well. Oh, yeah, Jasmine, yeah, yeah, broke the windows out the car and all that. But he killed the freestyle with the line. Y'all shouldn't be connected. We lost him right when he was. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Shad, what's going on?

We lost you when you said he got him with the line. What was the line you like? Yeah, yeah, with the line when he said, y'all need to just be concerned. Y'all, y'all concerned about me. Like, hold his whole. We don't need to be concerned about nothing going on out there. I just feel like too many people got opinions.

You feel I'm saying? Like, great. Stay over there. Hope said what he said. Let's move on. You know what I mean? The shit was fire. I don't even understand how people saying it was trash.

Well, I'm not even participating in the trash combo. Yeah, same. Listen, as much as I love Hove and every, you know, and have love for everybody involved on all the sides, man. It's hip-hop, man. We love this. Thank you for your call, Shah. Appreciate you.

As much as I have love for everybody. If you're responding to something, right? You can't just act like you're disregarding it. You're responding. Yeah. Something was said, you're responding. Not responding would be, like Laura Stow said, I thought he was going to get up there and just not do nothing.

No, no, no, no. He wanted to play with the algorithm. Mm-hmm. This is all part of the rollout. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you said Darcy. Marcy. Marcy, good morning.

Okay. Good morning. Good morning, Marcy. What do you want to say this morning? Thanks for calling 844, ELR-E-L-R-3. Yes. I just wanted to respond to the Jay-Z responding to everybody. Yeah.

Yeah, everybody keeps saying that, you know, what he said with the GQ interview and then what he's doing on stage the other day at the Roots picnic. Oh, he's battling. That's not battling. That's responding. People have been talking about him for years now, and he has not said a word. That's right. in response.

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No, my bad. No, I'll say, I'll say thanks for calling if I want you to take them all. I was just thanking her for her thoughtful response, but Griff clipped you. Sorry, Marcy's biased anyway. Hove got records named after you. You know what I'm saying? She biased. No, I'm kidding.

But she's right to some degree. You can call it battling. You can call it responding. We're playing semantics. Hope, people have been talking shit about Hove. He got to the mic, had his time, and he got busy, and now he got the algorithm going. Same way y'all use Jay-Z, me included,

to get the algorithm going. He was like, look, it's my term. I'm going to get the algorithm going now. Marcy's back. Sorry to cut you off, Marcy. No, it's okay. Yeah, but no, I hear you. But that's semantics, responding, battling,

and hip-hop, if you respond, now we're in a battle. Because now it's on everybody else, right? And by the way, this is also feeding family. The same way the Drake fans, we call it the Drake stimulus package. Hove just rolled out the Hovey stimulus package. You know what I'm saying? The same way Drake was just talking about Hove. Now Hove's talking about Drake.

So then people are going to go back to the Drake album and revisit those lines. And then people go on and then, I mean, are we getting a new JZ release? I think something's cooking. He didn't cook. Lou is one of those. Hove fans it believes there's a haircut coming before a new album. Yeah, he's not, he's not alone. I see that, I see that a lot online.

Marcy, what were you saying, sorry, you were low? No, I'm saying, yeah, he might drop an album, but there's a difference between a Drake and a Jay-Z. And what's that difference to you? Jason's on a different caliber than Drake. Okay, you want to quantify that assertion with some sort of measurables or just that's an, opinion.

That's just my opinion. Listen, thank you, Marcy, for your phone call. I'll say this. My, I'm going to wear this out, so y'all just buckle up. That wrong, when he said wrong chart, champ, oh, I'm wearing that out. I'm wearing that out. No, because at a certain point, you know, when you're talking about a Jay-Z and a Drake, Drake has had tremendous success and brags about his chart-topping hits.

There was a time in Jay-Z. his career where that was what was important to him. He's moved to his measurement. His measurement stick is not charts and probably hasn't been for some time. Right? Like, when's the last album that Jay made a specific attempt to chart top? And release records that fit neatly into what the sonic expectations of a radio or whatever was. When was the last one?

Lou says Magna Carter. or Blueprint 3, where he was attempting to make songs that were palatable for mainstream radio. Yeah, because I'm like, definitely not 4-4-4, even though we played it. In New York, we played the story of OJ. And we played Bomb-Bomb on the radio. But that wasn't, no. There was no expectation that the Sister Nancy sample was going to get heavy rotation in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Correct, correct, correct.

I would say Magna Carta because he had the Justin Timberlake joined. that I, you know, he thought was probably going to be something. And then the Rick Ross joint. And the Rick Raw. Oh, F for me, you know I got it. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right.

Those might have been radio attempts. I think the most annoying thing for me yesterday when I made the mistake of opening Twitter. And it's just like, oh, it just makes my head hurt. People actually fixing their fingers to type. Why does it have to be so complex? Like, Hove is just for old heads. Like nobody got time to dissect this. Like this is what hip hop is.

This was what being a good rapper is. Tucson. So what? He's supposed to dumb it down for people to be able to digest it? He's not. And he's not going to. Lazy. He's not going to.

And people, but by the way, just like with the Kendrick Super Bowl, right? The think pieces are rolling out. You know, the coverage is heavy. We play one from Mickey Fax. How many of those we got in the chat? before the show of different people breaking down, Rassan. Get to your microphone.

How many did we send through at least five different ones, right? Yeah, there was a lot. Two for Mike. Mickey, he had another one about Lauren Hill. Oh, give us the other, the Lauren Hill breakdown part from Mickey Fax. Yes, yes. We know Jay-Z diss nine people.

But did y'all catch all of what he did with them Lauren Hill bars? Wow. You had to cast, cow, and thunk it. What you will punk is, I'm the one who struck the pain. That hill you get.

die on. It's way too much flat that comes from those pain. I'm killing them softly. What's understood don't need to be explained. You one way is the other. I steal on you suckers. I'm all of you, niggins game. I ain't much for meetings no how. Cancel the brunches. I remember the hunger pain. The price of the brics going up. It's going to cost you a beat and even say my name. Jay continues to go at Dame Dash here, calling himself the cash cow for Rockefeller and how he strum the pain, which is the lyric Roberta Flack and Lauren Hill used on their songs, killing me softly. Strum is to sound vibrantly outside of playing a string instrument. That hill you can die on, Lauren Hill. Also, killing me softly. The word killing and die. It all connects

into this scheme. Flack is another name flip. Consider, he used both singers' last name. Yes, yes, we know Jay Z-Dist nine people. But did you have kept-clips jamming up over there, Rassan? We'll get to Robert Williams. Y'all. Yo, we got some parody. Parity, yo, comedy came through. Lyrical breakdowns came through. Hove was feeding the algorithm big time. Yo, Hove, your Algo Hustle this weekend was legendary, sir.

Legend. But look, for hip-hop, I love that people are sitting around breaking down lyrics. It's nerdy, and people were like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But I'm into it. That's how I was raised on this thing, looking for Easter eggs inside the lyrics. And people, by the way, acting as if people weren't just doing that with Drake's album is crazy. Hello, that's what I'm saying.

Like those same people who was like, yo, does it have to be that complicated? Drake's was layered, bro. Drake had layers and entendres and double, mad, double, triple, quadruple meanings. No, he was in his rap bag on Iceman. Of course. Heavy.

Now, what's you working on coming up in the rundown, Laura Stav? Are you ready for this messiness? All right, so coming up in the rundown, I don't know if you guys saw because it was a lot. Hope was taken up our timeline, but there was a sex tape that came out. And it has Diddy and 50 cents,

ex-the-mother-of-his-child, I'm going to say. Okay. And that caused a lot of controversy and chatter. So we'll get into that. Also, I have some Kanye and Travis Scott issues that are going down. And, of course, President Trump demanding the cancellation of the Great American State Fair concert.

Is he demanding the cancellation or nobody was showing up? I mean, yes. Art, like, which one is? That's not a story. We'll talk about it coming up in the run. Yo, here in the tri-state area, Delaney Hall last night, riot police, do we have that video? Did we get that clip in, Rassan of last night at Delaney Hall? So we didn't get that?

So producer Griff reached out to our boy. Here's why Kevin, who has been on the ground covering it every day. Like, he is breaking night. So he's going to call in around 845. All right. Because. Go, Griff, I just text you, uh, Raz Baraka's number. He's waiting for us to call him right now.

Oh, that's interesting. So we could just call him and get his update on Delaney Hall. I saw a Raz Baraga on with Ali Valshi on MS now. And Ali, as a reporter was out there getting pushed back far away from the, uh, the front of the coverage in front of Delaney Hall. Yeah. And as a reporter was like, listen, you know, I, I have, I'm press, right, freedom of press, right?

It's in the Constitution coverage, la-da-da. Why is Newark Police Department moving press away from being able to cover what's in front of Delaney Hall? Raz Baraka was trying to explain to him. I think he kind of failed, honestly, in the clip that I saw because Ali Vell she wanted to argue. And Raz was like, I think somebody was told to do something and it was incorrect. And, you know, but as a mayor, Raz is going to take that. heat. Now following Kevin's reporting, a lot

of press were not, not only just being asked to move away, they were being violent with press. Yes. Like, and protesters have been arrested, have been pepper sprayed, have been hurt, beat. Yeah, last night in front of Delaney Hall, they had the horses out, those

were state police. There's obviously heat coming down on Mikey Cheryl Wright Griff. And we've been trying to get Mikey Cheryl on the line for her to speak to what's being allowed in front of Delaney Hall. And obviously we hear these things Through the lens of press That's being

Either you know Pushed around and abused Or protesters who are being pushed around And abused by police Yeah Now is there something else going on Where we're not getting the full story Is the only thing I'll allow

I guess in this space where This you know because listen At protests once people start throwing things All of that This is just a piece of peaceful protests, kind of, we've seen it a hundred times. It goes out the window. Yeah.

They start to treat all the protesters the same because people are throwing things from the back of the crowd or somebody's assault to the cop or there's, you know, people getting trampled, whatever the situation is. We've seen that a lot. But listen, peaceful protesters have been there for weeks, right? And then all of a sudden we saw a bunch of agitators show up. We saw some, was it proud boys, Louis? It was like proud boys and like, you know, pro-Trump protesters showed up.

There's agitators. Absolutely. So is that what's happening? Is that agit? Because we've seen this many times as things start to heat up. People who are not there with the intended interests of doing something productive, show up and leave bricks and bags of rocks and start throwing things or start trying to start fights with other people. I think on the line right now we have Raz Barakana, the mayor of Newark, New Jersey.

As good morning. What's going on? Thanks for taking our call. I know you have a busy morning as you head to the office. I'm not sure if you were hearing Laura Stiles in my conversation about Delaney Hall last night. I wanted to get you on today. Can you give us any insight about what's going on in front of Delaney Hall last night into this morning and why things got so chaotic between police and protesters?

Well, I think, honestly, I think the, you know, the police officers, you know, the state police and some of our local guys, you know, from around the state are out there. The problem is that they are, they have an aggressive posture and they got to tone it down. We've been having discussions. I've been having discussions for the last two days about toning it down, just the outfits they have on, the, you know, the helmets, the sticks, just got to tone that down. We cannot imitate what the ICE folks have been doing. And that creates the kind of tension. And there are people in the crowd who are, I don't know about last night, but prior to that before I did the curfew who were a part of setting fires,

they arrested four people. They had actual weapons on them guns that they found that I saw. So that's why I did the curfew because you do have people in there. And I don't know where these people from. People associate them with protesters, but they may be. They may not be. We don't know who these people are who in the crowd. They could be agitators.

They could be people that are like, pro ice that are in the crowd. We don't know. You know, we just know it's people there with with weapons, and it was a fire started. So I put the curfew on to move people out of there, but these folks can't use this as an opportunity to be overly aggressive. And, you know, I'm continuing to talk to them about doing that

because I will lift the curfew if they're going to use this as an excuse to do that. Now, history supports what you're saying regarding individuals being involved in the crowd who are there to just cause problems. So that's, you know, history supports that. And I can't imagine those tactics aren't being used. And we saw many photos and videos of people who are precisely doing that.

I just want to make sure. And then we cannot excuse the fact that ICE has been violent from the very beginning. Right. Now, Raz, I want to reiterate what you're saying just in case people missed it. It sounds like you are in support of peaceful protest and you are not in support of police being and the law enforcement on the scene being as aggressive as they've been the last couple nights. You want that tone down. Absolutely.

Look, the irony is that we've been out, people have been out there protesting from over a year. I've been there a couple of times, multiple times. You've been arrested. There's all kinds of stuff going on out there. I mean, obviously this part gets a little bit more sexy, so you see all the journalists, all the folks that are out there, they have none of these people out there for a year protesting. The city is in court with these people right now. So we're battling them.

And it didn't get violent until I showed up. That's a fact. When I got arrested, I showed up and it got violent. This time when ICE showed up, it got violent again. You know, so they are the initiators of violence, absolutely. Right. And I think that once that situation was created, where you now have people who are coming there because violence has begun because they want to be a part of that, you know, it worsened the situation, you know, and made it more volatile. So, I mean, the governor thought that she should step in, and she just should show some form of leadership.

I think actually what happened is that those guys went down there in the same posture as ICE. Just looking like them, sounding like them, acting like them, doing the thing, the horses, all of that. That's over the top. It's over the top. And that was Mikey Cheryl. It should be going back and forth about that, you know. Mikey Cheryl made that call with the horses and all of this. down.

Razz, you're saying Mikey Sherrill made the call with the state police and the horses and things. Yeah, I mean, she, I mean, because of the violence and the stuff that was going on,

she wanted to interact. Plus, you know, the ICE was bringing 30 units into the city. You know, they told us, they were bringing 30 units into the city. I mean, obviously,

if we would allow them to continue doing what they wanted to do, it would have been Minnesota all over again. They would have had the military in and around our community. None of us.

wanted that. She acted. And I think that she was supposed to act, like she was supposed to do something. She's the leader of the state, and she can't just allow them to take over. She got to act. She sent the state police in to create some kind of order, but I think they went in there in the same posture that ICE would have went in there and really didn't tone the situation down as much as it could be. It should have been. It is toned down than it was when I was there, but it can be further, further, de-escalate. And now I think they know how to de-escalate.

Mayor, I think at a time where people are so desperate, specifically the people who have family members in there, who are starving, are sick, are being mistreated. And have, this has been going on for months, as you said. You've been working on this.

I think it's very important for you also to explain to the public like the amount of work that you've put into this and just how much power you have. I know people look at you like, do something. What are you doing to help these people? But I think it's really important that you educate the public and letting them know what you're doing behind the scenes and how exactly, you know, the work that you're putting

it to make, you know, a change. Because to me, I see people frustrated, but I understand them. Their family members are dying inside. We're assuming there's human rights. violations that are going inside a Delaney Hall. So can you talk a little bit more about that? Absolutely. And I think that that's important.

And the irony, I just put out a statement, the irony is that when all this stuff goes on, it takes away from what's happening inside an air, which is why we're doing this in the first place. Yeah. The discussion ceases to be about Delaney Hall, ceases to be about Trump's racist and xenophobic policy, ceases to be about releasing its place, closing Delaney Hall, which is what we're working on as opposed to. Now it's about ICE and protesters, now state police and protesters,

it's about the violent outside. And that is the recurring story over and over and over again that people are discussing. And we're moving away from the fact that there's human rights violations going on inside of it. At the health department, the city's health department, the state's health department, has been denied entry into these places, that there are folks that are trying to get in, trying to push the governor herself trying to get visitation back, trying to get the health department in. You know, all of this stuff is happening, you know, now.

I mean, it's stuff that we've been fighting for and working with activists on the ground who've been fighting for this every day. There's somebody out in front of Delaney Hall every single day for over a year, right? Every day that's been pushing. So this is not the beginning of people being against what's going on in there. This is just a culmination of it because of the letter that the guys wrote or detainees wrote about their conditions inside of the facility. Right.

And the hunger system. And then when ice came, they escalated it even further into violence. So I agree with that. I know when ice came, violence ensued. They brought violence with them. But at the end of the day, our job is to keep the focus on what's going on inside the detention facility and why this place needs to be closed and the xenophobia and all the stuff that's associated with it. Because what will happen now is that it'll be just about.

who got arrested, the violence that's going on outside, this thing and that thing, the first, you know, the journalists, all this stuff. And nothing about this. So they won't let anybody go this. I've heard anybody talk about that letter in the last couple of days. Right. Yeah.

Well, and Raz, it sounds like voices like yours, and it's tough in your position because there's a lack of trust, as you know, of politicians and leadership. So when it comes to protesting and getting things done, at these moments like this, the narrative starts to spin where people want to blame you. They want to blame everybody in charge,

clearly because people are pissed and emotional and I get it. But it does sound like some strategy needs to take place where we are being able to hyper-focus on the issue, which is shutting down Delaney Hall, the letter from the prisoners inside, and how we move in, to the future and really figure out a situation that's safer for everybody and better for the

families being affected not only in New Jersey but around the country by these tactics being used by the federal government so um right and this this can i say ibo i think that people should be protesting i don't i think that's a part of the strategy it gives us more authority and power to do stuff when people are protesting right when it turns into what we see now and the concentration and gets on this other part of it, it weakens opposition. So the reality is people should be protesting, but we should be, we should understand that there's a huge dynamic complex

to how we begin to fight these people. We can't be short-sided or just my view about how to fight the state. We cannot be just believe that we're just going to be outside, and that's it. There has to be a unilateral and multifaceted kind of struggle against this. That is. Mayor Rice,

Baraka. Thank you, Mayor. Mayor of Newark, New Jersey. I suspect we may have to check in with you another day this week, Raz, to just get an update. Hopefully things get more focused back over there at Delaney Hall. And I have to say, based on listening to you and what Laura Stiles is just saying, if I am of the strategy of causing chaos and confusion around this situation, which is absolutely happening as well.

we're having this conversation right now, I would be sending people over there who are not intended, intended to help the situation, but to hurt the situation. You know what I'm saying? Like I, and you know, that's just, there's historical evidence

to support that that is a strategy of people who want to upend movements and progress. Yes. So we, I think everybody active over there everybody on the front lines over there make sure you get aligned with each other those that want some positive outcomes here

don't get pulled into the chaos because they want it to be violent never forget that they want violence they want they want to be able to make everyone look out of control and this is right before the midterms that's right that's right Mayor Rasbaraka thank you for your time today

thank you brother All right, we'll check back in. With that now, we're pivoting. We got Kevin. What's Kevin's last name? You know what, let's ask him. Or we just call him, here's why Kevin. Yes, because I like to promote his handoff.

He just wants to go, here's why Kevin. He don't get a last name on, bro. Let's get him on a line. Let's go. Kevin, what's going on, sir? Good morning. How are you? Good morning, man.

Thanks for coming back on the program again. Are you still over in Newark, New Jersey? I am in D.C. for the day. DC for the day. Did you just hear our conversation with Mayor Raz Baraka from Newarka from Newark, New Jersey, and do you have a response? I heard the tail end of the conversation, and I think that there is a lot that Rosbaraka is right on. I think that when he says that the focus needs to be on the detainees,

I believe that he's 100% correct. Rosbaraka has been aware of the situation at Delaney Hall. When he was arrested last year, I was there on the ground. I witnessed his arrest. I followed that throughout the day. I was there when he was released, and I've been there for a year. So he is absolutely right when he says that. But what he and Governor Sherrill are absolutely wrong about

is trying to blame protesters for the violence that we are seeing. It is just not the case. Governor Mikey Sherrill is completely responsible at this point for the amount of chaos and violence that has ensued on the streets for the last two nights. It is 100% on her and on Mayor Raz Baraka. Why do you say that? Why do you say that, Kevin?

So for the last year, as he mentioned, people have been outside of Delaney Hall. As I told you folks last week when you had me on, people have been outside Delaney Hall for the last year. And there's never been any violence. And so, again, I explained this last week, and I think that people should, we should just keep reiterating. Ice agents were sent to Delaney Hall to intimidate those families. and those protesters as punishment for the hunger strike

that's happening inside because the Trump administration and DHS wanted to punish them and retaliate against them. Since then, we have seen ICE agents abuse protesters outside and protests have grown inside

because of the presence of ICE agents. Yeah, when I say protests have been outside Delaney Hall for a year. I mean, like, there's been 15 or 20 people at a time for the last year working in shifts, you know, to call the place out and then also to help out the families who are there. But the protests have grown, and of course they're going to grow, because now ICE agents are there. ICE does not operate out of this facility. They have a field office 10 minutes down the road.

They are there as retaliation. And last week on Thursday afternoon at around 1.30 p.m., I got a call from several wives whose husbands were on the phone, screaming for help, because ICE agents were allowed inside of the units by the GEO group, which is the private prison administration that runs the lien call. Right, thank you. And so they were allowed inside of the units where the men are being held, and they beat them with batons, and they pepper sprayed them in an enclosed space. Four people were hospitalized, and at least one person whose nose was broken

has been in solitary confinement ever since. And the unit where that took place has been shut down since there's. day neither the health inspector or members of congress or family members have been able to see anyone who is in that unit now kevin uh based on i know you didn't hear uh razz bracker's whole um conversation um i feel like he's saying exactly what you're saying um he said things escalated when ice got there he said that mikey sherro state police and who she sent over there their posture was completely wrong and it shouldn't have been done that way and they need to tone it down he spoke on being pro protesters and talked just

like you spoke about people being out there for the year and he also said he encourages protesters to stay out there now we went into it we dovetailed into another piece of the combo because if protests have been going on for a year and we're all agreeing that the state police have shown up ice has shown up and things have now become violent not because of the protests How much, Kevin, are you seeing of individuals who are just there to cause problems, chaos, and confusion and create a new narrative? Have you seen any of that? I can't even begin to describe to you how small comparatively the number of people who are agitating or acting violent actually is.

What we're hearing from the governor and from the mayor does not match what's happening on the ground. For example, what happened on Saturday nights, there were. more than a thousand police officers there more than a thousand i saw maybe three or four pushing against the barricades and that's what they used to predicate the violence that we saw because they wanted to get violence they wanted to get violent i was yeah but the thing is kevin you're absolutely right they're they're they're being too heavy-handed sorry kevin they're being too heavy-handed you're absolutely right go ahead sorry to cut you all no sure i'm sorry there's a little bit of a delay now um uh Governor Rosbar, sorry, Mayor Rosbaraka has already apologized for this.

So the thing is, when is he going to change the order he's giving his police? Because Newark police are there, acting violence. There are East Orange police there. New Jersey State Police. Everyone is there and they're on the state. And I actually sent you guys a video of journalists last night. Rosbaraka told Ali Belchie of MS Now yesterday that, press was going to be exempt from the curfew, the 9 p.m. curfew that he

implemented so that they could accurately cover what's happening. But last night, journalists were arrested and tear gassed. I just don't understand when we're going to get, you know, I don't know when we're going to get a straight answer. Well, I, I, in my experience in this, Kevin, and the delay's getting bad, we appreciate you, taking the time we want to have you on again this week as this delaney hall situation unfolds um we referenced the ali veli convo earlier uh in my experience these things tend to take like 24 to 48 hours where you have a mayor saying hey this is what i want you guys are handling this incorrectly the chief of police has to get aligned then they have to get their teams and

and their sergeants and all their other people aligned. And we have to factor in. This is Ebro speaking. I always believe there are people within the police departments, state and city, who are geeked up for these moments. Oh, yes. And they know they can get away with a night or two of breaking the protocols, get a slap on the wrist warning,

even if the mayor or the chief of police, and I doubt that the chief of police has even disseminated the information. Right? Because what actually happens in your experience, Lawrence Towers, when we've dealt with racist cops,

abusive cops, what actually happens in over what period of time? It's not like they're getting snatched out of that uniform that night. Of course not. They got to go through the union. It's got,

they complain, they felt unsafe. It's got to be investigated. It's not. And they know they can get it. out there with their shield and their little baton and their pepper spray and get active for a night and get their jolies off. Of course. And we won't hear about it if we ever hear about it.

Facts. And what Kevin just pointed out is key. As an eyewitness, he's saying I'm out there. There's a thousand cops out there. And there's three people actually willing to mix it up with the police. Man, the police probably called a couple of their buddies and was like, yo, y'all would have some fun tonight? Oh, my God.

It's disgusting. But I will say, Kevin, I just want to commend you. do for the amount of work and how fairly you have been covering all of this. Because there's times where he was explaining why Mickey Sherrill was doing what she was doing. And then at the same time, calling her out when things need to change and things need to be, you know, people need to understand that they're wrong. Plain and simple.

Now, are y'all hearing that Rasbaraka and Kevin sound like they're more aligned than people would make it out to be? What are you hearing, Lou? I think there's just a conversation that have to be had. Like, a slight understanding because it's still two different perspectives. But I think they're along the same line, much more aligned than I believe would be like Mikey Sherrill's camp at the moment. Right, right, right, right. Well, and Roz was saying that Mikey Sherrill needs to check her state police.

They showed up too aggressive, too. So he was saying the same thing. I think we still have Kevin on. I'm not sure how bad the delay is, but I want to thank you from coming on. You can follow him on Instagram. Here's why Kevin. Do we have him, Rassan? Kevin, can you hear us still?

Yeah, I'm still here, folks. Okay, good. Now, do you have a last name that we should be given to people? When I introduced you as just Kevin, here's why Kevin. I wasn't sure if it was like Kevin. Oh, I don't know if you want your last name out there. Maybe you don't even want that out there. Whatever you want, Kevin.

No, my full name is out there. It's just I saw people in the comments saying, is it Kevin Samuels? And that was crazy. It's Kevin Ortega Rojas. Kevin Ortega Rojas. Yeah, Kevin Thank you for your time today, brother. Thank you, Kevin.

We have a video that he wanted to play. And this is the Ali Velshi video with Raz Baraka. Let's take a look. So they won't let anybody go this way or that way, and they're running. That's what happened last night. Is this last night? Yes. Go this way?

Go! Go! Go! Get it. Get it. Get it. Get it. I'm dressed.

I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going wherever you. Oh. Where am I going? I've been playing. Where am I going?

Where am I going? I've been complying. All right, so they basically just beat the shit out of me. Oh. They're telling me this way. They're telling me that way. So where do I go? Move that way.

Look, he's asking, where can I go? Somebody wanted to tee off on him because he was pressed. Uh-huh. I'll comply, bro. Please don't hit me anymore. Yeah, they're not trying to de-escalate at all. At all. Oh, man.

But you know, like Raz said, there's people with weapons out there. And, you know, look, man, it gets, ah, man. I haven't been in areas like that since I was in my teens in the 1990s, man. And it wasn't no cell phones. It wasn't no coverage. It wasn't no social media. But police, when they show up, they not, they don't be. They're not showing up with like, you know, kid gloves on, as the, as the expression says.

They mowing through things. And by the way, that's, and one of the failures often is that's how they're trained. Well, let's not forget that ICE is there. And how is ICE trained? These new ICE officers, please, they're not trained. They're getting any random. Yeah, but that was, I think that was actually Newark PD or state police. Like, they're not trained.

Those people aren't that show up to what they're calling a. protest or probably framed it as a riot to get them amped up for the scenario because they showed up in riot gear. That's what it looks like. Right? They turned up. And so, yeah, you have a flammable situation

when that happens. And remember, this is all because people want answers because their family members and loved ones are being killed. Great reminder, Laura. There was a pregnant woman who had a pregnant woman that has had no kind of care. There's a woman who had a miscarriage in their ebro

with zero care. People are dying inside. These are straight human rights violations and this is why people want answers. Well, when it comes to human rights violations, you know the U.S. and Israel, they specialize it. You know what I'm saying?

That's like a part of the branding now. You know? Human rights violations of the yin-yang. Is Kevin still what is the, or did he drive? He dropped. Yeah, we'll keep in touch with him. Follow him on Instagram at Here's Why Kevin.

Big up to Raz Baraka jumping on spur of the moment. Also, Kevin being available to talk about what's going on, Delaney Hall. I don't have the super chat open. Lou, you want to handle super chat today? I don't look at comments during the show, y'all. My bad. Dude, all I want to finish. I think she teased a lot of things.

Yeah, we're going to get to the rundown. We're going to get to the guru. We're not quite done yet. But I wanted to just shout to Super Chat. Yeah. So we got Mike White, $5. Thanks, Mike White. He said, not sure what to replace it with, but I hate the term net worth.

We all equally worthy of love and respect not matter how much financial assets. I mean, that's beautiful. What I want to say to you, sir, is that is beautiful. And I also want to say, fuck out of here. No. But thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you.

We have Thunder 1729 with $5 too. So he doesn't like what the direction of the battle thing is going, but he gave Kate out the platform to do the song. Oh, you mean Hove with the hypocrisy. That was a reference to the hypocrisy of Hove. Yep.

Yeah, I think he would, I don't know. I think people often interpret when you question something as not liking the something. When you're being unsure of whether or not you like it, obviously questioning it,

people are going to jump to, oh, you didn't like it. Yeah. What, I've watched that GQ clip probably 30 times of Jay-Z questioning the noise around the battle and the social media of the battle

and whether or not it's good for growth and all of these things. I've watched it. I feel like it's a question. I feel like he's unsure. But when he goes in the rapper mode, he's going to resort to his old tactics, y'all. The jab is going to be the jab.

And by the way, I feel like that freestyle was light work from Hove. Like, that was like. People are saying it was, complicated that is like jZ work go ahead i think that super chad comment actually was referring to something before because it said gave him the platform to perform the song so the super bowl yeah right but he's referencing that rassan he's saying you're questioning it in the gq interview but you allow you you know basically picked kendrick to do the super bowl you know

I'm saying. And if you was really questioning it that much, why'd you go and do that? You know what I'm saying? All right. Who else we got? We got one more. We got Eric Motion 448 with 499. 5.

Thank you. I'm so far ahead of my time. I'm about to start another life. Look behind you. I'm about to pass you twice. Oh, that was just a quote. Yeah. Okay, okay.

Well, we appreciate the whole quote. And who was Hobbes talking about at that time? I don't, my memory ain't good enough to remember where that line was from, what year it was, and who he could have been hitting a subliminal way. But by the way, what Hove did on stage too, you know, is not beef raps. Those are just retorts and jabs. And coming from him, people will take it as.

No, no, no. They will take it that way. And that's how things escalate. But it's not really beef. Because if you look at where Drake and Kendrick ended up, it was like jabs for a decade or more. and then it became, oh, you want to talk about people's family and kids. Remember, if I'm hove, I would have been, I was, he held this tongue.

People were talking about his children, bro. Yes. People were talking about bro's children, bro. Like, I don't even, like, what do we even talk? Like, he was, the fact that he's even willing to come outside and play with y'all for the sake of hip hop, you should be thankful. We should be thanking him, right? Like, people think there's something in it for, him financially to do what he's doing right now bro got all the money what are we talking about

he's doing this just because he loves to engage in some mc dueling but people talked about his children you know but she's a public you know she's a public person i get it but they talked about the babies bro you know what i'm saying yeah all right you ready for the rundown let's do it let's do it because it's a lot to cover turn that up screens on glow when she pulled up Headlines heavy, but we still caught up. Life still flashing, we don't slow. All right. After, oh, God, I can't believe it.

I saw a clip of this, and I really wish I didn't. I don't know if you guys have seen any of this. No, I'm cool. I don't watch. I really wish I didn't. And I only saw, like, maybe eight seconds. I was like, I'm good, I'm good. So there's an alleged sex tape that leaked featuring Diddy,

adult porn star, Sly Diggler, and what people are saying, it's Daphne Joy. Slide Diggler. It's a wild porn name, bro. Slide Diggler. And people are saying that it's Daphne Joy, the mother of one of 50 cents children. Well, 50 posted it too. I mean, listen, I'm getting there. Okay, I'm getting there.

So even 50 and fans had questions like, who's responsible for this? How did this get out? And of course, DJ Vlad jumped out and basically said that it is not AI, that it is real, that he had seen this before. And except whatever came out was the full tape. So 50 cent, his respond on Instagram was, the first one was like, yo, he's saying, she's not a victim talking about Daphne Joy.

Sayre is, that's the son. I think it's sire. Oh, sire. I thought it was sire, sorry, sire. He says sire is, can you imagine going to the eighth grade and find out this is your mom? The court system in L.A. stinks.

No, the court system in L.A. thinks it's fine. So he said that. And then another one, he did a screenshot. of the red room where the tape took place and he says free Diddy he has gone through enough being bored with no penis L.O.L. Because there's a lot of talk about the size of his penis. That was a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I think here what I struck me here is I really I mean Daphne Joy and a sex tape and Diddy after everything we've heard about Diddy Laura, are you really surprised that there's some footage? Not at all. Not at all. And then after I, you know,

look, I don't know what Daphne Joy was doing with her consenting adult time. Yeah. Other than what people have rumored prior to being with 50 and after. But that's her life. And that's what she chose to do with it. I don't know if people were, if she was under the influence because I feel like she was like consenting. And all of it. It wasn't like she was forced to participate in any of this stuff.

Yeah. I don't think anybody, at least I didn't, being that I just saw a piece of the tape, nobody said that she looked like she was being forced or anything like that. Right. So, you know, I think my only thought here is fifth like you just this you had a child with this person and like he was he's speaking on behalf of his son which I get that as a dad where it's like damn but I think as parents you know as our kids get older

Issa going wake up one day and see a video of me talking crazy on the internet oh thank God no I ain't got no sex tape talking crazy is different than a sex take no for sure but Like, I know it's different, but I'm just saying like you, your actions as an adult, especially if you record them. Of course. And, you know, could one day end up in front of your children? And so if you're worried about those things, who you decide to have a child with and their past is something you want to be aware of.

Yeah. Or, you know what I mean? Or at least maybe it wasn't the person to have a child with him. But we're here. But we're here. Yes. And he's here. Yeah.

All right. In other news, Italian authorities have moved to band two planned concerts scheduled this summer, Kanye West's concert and Travis Scott's concert. Now, why Travis? Travis has performed in Italy just recently, I feel like, in the last 18th. So Italy canceled the planned performances over concerts tied to public order and security. And Kanye was set to perform July 18th while Travis Scott was scheduled to appear one day earlier. So is it the proximity of the?

the two shows being close together? That's what I think it is. Or did something happen the last time Travis was in Italy? I didn't hear any drama. I think it's probably both of them happening around the same time. He did a show together in Rome. Yeah. It was great.

So maybe, maybe they're scared of security. When Griff says, who did a show together? Kanye and Travis. Recently. Six years ago. Six years ago, Kanye and Travis in Rome. It was chaotic, he says. Interesting.

So maybe there's a conclusion. concerned about that. Maybe something happened. Yeah, I mean, authorities are reporting that it's fear of potential protests and also massive crowds. You know, it's all safety concerns there, they're alleging. Now, to Kanye West of it all, we all understand at this juncture. Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. My man is getting no love.

Bro put out that album. You know what I'm saying? It was a decent album. And then, womp, womp, well, where's my? Oh, you know, where's my? Bluant, what, where's that? Well, where's that other? I mean, what's that?

Another Wompwomp news. All right. Oh, here. So, President Donald Trump demands the cancellation of the Great American State Fair concerts. He's pissed at the performers

who dropped that of the Freedom 250s Great American State Fair. Now, hang on, guys. Now he wipes the cancel it all. There's a couple things I want to deal with. First, okay, bro, like, you was trying to do a show. Nobody won't rock.

you cool. Brough, the talent, though, young, and I mean no disrespect. I mean,

I mean zero. No, I think you're lying. No, no, no. I mean zero disrespect, bro. I do not mean to disrespect.

You're a liar. The lineup was millie-vinilly. Mm-hmm. The real midi-vinilly. As if the fact, I want the, I want whoever

originally sang on the tracks. Wait, wait, Time out. Wait, I'm going to come back to you, Griff. Hold that thought. Of course, Griff has some little detail here. Okay.

The lineup was Millie Vanilly, Young MC, okay. Uh-huh. Who else was on there? Martina McBride. Mark, I don't, okay, fine. Country. Okay. Who else?

Vanilla Ice. Who, the Commodore is not, I'm never going to disrespect the Commodore. Morse and Time. Not going to disrespect him either. And Brett Michaels. And Brett Michaels. Yeah. What was he going to perform?

Yeah, yeah. What was he going to do? Well, all of them basically pulled out a lot. A lot of them were saying that, hold up, my agent never told me that I was signing up for this. But I want to point out that the people who won't do it, okay, are the likes of Millie Vanilly and Young MC. That's what we was lining up for the 250th of a man. That's how. That's the word I'm looking for in here.

And by the way, I mean no disrespect. I mean zero disrespect. In the words, I'm looking for the right words. And by the way, wrestling people love Brett Michaels. Once again, it's a show. It's a concert. Was he the host? What was he doing?

What was going to happen? Are you confusing Brett Michaels with Sean Michaels? Yeah, please, bro. Oh, every rose out. Yeah, I was confusing. Oh, God. Your Rose is a blackout. Yeah, you're blacked out.

Sean Michaels, Brett Michaels. They both look wet and greasy. Oh, my God. Wet and greasy. They both look. unnecessarily oiled up. That's why I was confusing. But listen, the people who are staying on the bill, Flo Rida,

he still going and vanilla ice, they're still ready to perform. Once again, I mean no disrespect. But this is what we're doing for the 250th anniversary of the country. These are the only people y'all could get. Whoa, they couldn't even get them. Well, no, they got Flolrida and Vanilla Ice. Yeah, it's wild. It's wild.

Big Nellia call. Well, and so the Commodores were never official. Morris Day and then was never official. Young MC was like, yo, the fact that Young MC is like, yo, don't disrespect me like that. I'm not getting out there. It's crazy.

Yo, he was like, my agents never told me. Yeah. Don't play with Young MC. Um, who else was on there? A Millie Vanilly. Now, the Millie Vanilly actually canceled. Wait, come. Come close.

You got to come over. So Griff is explaining us the Millie Vanilli Paradox. All right. So I got this this weekend. Okay. The real people who were singing, they're called the real Millie Vanilli. And they have that trademark. The real singers.

Yes, the real singers. So these are the people who recorded the actual songs that won the awards. Yes. And they're not allowed to use the name Millie Vanilli. So they were surprised to see the name on there. And it's only one half of Millie Vanilla because, of course, the other half passed away. He took his life. Oh, I didn't know that.

So it's just Millie. Oh, okay. You didn't have to do that. Okay, okay. You didn't have to do that. See, that's what I grew, Gris piece of shit. Yeah.

He had to do that. He had to go. It's just Millie. He wanted to get that joking in it. As if one was Millie and one, was one, was one Millie and one Vanilly? Was that a, nah, I thought it was just a duo Millie Vanilly.

I hate you all. One was Millie and one was Vanilly? No. I hate you all. No, Griff. No. Oh, Griff. Griff's the worst.

See, he's a piece of shit. Oh, my God. Bro. Brogan and took his life. You over here, cracking, and Joe. No, no, no.

Okay, wait. That was the rundown. I mean, I still, but I'm still confused. Sorry, I want to wrap the rundown down. Why are you so obsessed with Millie Vanelli? Because I never knew this is new information. I'm today's old.

First of all, I confused Brett Michaels and Sean Michael. So that was legend. Second of all, Griff, you said, hang on, and we're going to wrap the show. You said there's the real Millie Vanilli, and then there's the Millie Vanilli we saw on the award show.

Yeah. You're saying the real Millie Vanilli is a person has passed away. No. The performers. The two guys with the braids. Yes. Yes. One took his life.

But the real Villi Vanilli is how many people? Is a female in this group? Wait, there's a female in the real. Yo, get the real mili-vinilly on the show. What, no! What do you do? What? No.

Well, so you're telling me I'm the only one that just learned that there was a real Millie-Vinilly versus the Millie Vanilly. You knew this, Rassan? Anybody in the chat? Okay. Yeah, the actual vocalists are John Davis, Brad Howell, Charles Shaw, and then Linda and Jody Rock. Okay, y'all not, it's too many of y'all.

You're never coming on the program. But I do want to acknowledge, okay, I'm proud of y'all getting out here getting to the bag. All right. All right. Wow. So the real Millie Vanilli is five. No wonder they went with the fake Millie Vanilly. Because they was like, nah, we ain't paid.

We don't need all these people on stage. We're just going with two. Yeah, man. This is good stuff for me. That was comedy. Anyway. Thank you guys. We didn't get to a guru today because of Millie Vanilly.

Oh, yeah. Oh, go ahead. Lou on the Super Chat. Let's go. Shout out to Baby Kay Love. sent $10. She said, if you can't go to Delaney, call your reps because this is a national issue. Yes. No due process in human rights violations. That's right. Thank you. There you go. And Grim BK with 499 said, only thing I didn't like about Jay saying graffiti isn't a part of

hip-hop in whatever interview that was, that was straight up ignorant. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think that might have also been taken out of context. I saw that clip where he was talking about Keith Herring and Boschiat, who were in some who were graffiti artists street artists yes um but i saw that clip it was weird where people were saying that's what he said i'm not sure if that's exactly what he said yeah i'm a look at it okay anyone else grippy uh and louie no all right well thank you guys by the way rosenberg's first episode of validate me was released and it was pretty good okay shout to validate me go subscribe yeah go check it out it got a lot of good feedback too right

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