The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 167.) 6ix9ine-Akademiks Debate + J. Cole Discussion (8/20/26)

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

Today on Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg - Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg are discussing 6ix9ine and Akademiks debate over Durk, Stephen A Smith NABJ Reactions, Mal says J Cole is performative, and so much more! (8/20/26) Hear more of the show on Patreon: ⁠https://www.patreon.com/c/ELRShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Just don't call it a podcast. The Ebro-Lora Rosenberg shows. Yeah, good morning, everybody. Hey, we forgot to tell you yesterday that we have a new Patreon. We were so caught up and talking about expensive luxury clothes for half the damn show. We played ourselves. And we didn't even shout out the thing that actually can help us buy some expensive damn clothes. Right.

Hit yourself with the button. Yeah. Congratulations. You play. There is a Patreon episode up right now. There will be another one tomorrow. The one that's up from yesterday, we got into the messing around

with trying to find the 100 best hip-hop songs of all time and talked about a variety of fun. It was fun things. Hyjinks ensued. High jinks definitely ensued. I don't know how we started talking about this before today's show. I don't know why it came up. I do.

Oh, I remembered. We were talking about remembering things And I saw academics in 6-9, Takashi 6-9, on social media and Takashi 6-9 asking academics if academics would give Little Dirks family, half a million dollars, because academics made a lot of his name off covering what was going on in streets of Chicago, shy rack, right?

That was why Vic Mensa wanted to slap shit out of him. Yeah, right? Because it was like basically... I think you were bitch. Right. For covering something that you're not from and making money on it and thinking it's all games. Anyway, little dirt is obviously.

been caught up for a while and I thought I ended up watching it because normally I wouldn't pay attention to 6-9 or academics but I ended up watching it because that car I was like let me see how academics answers this and basically his answer was he wouldn't do a half a million but he thinks he should do something and that ain't 6-9 was like that's that's shitty I only know you because you were I used to get off work and watch you because of that so I thought it was a good conversation nonetheless it coming from 6-9 is Nonetheless, I went into saying, we can't forget how terrible the Takashi 69 chapter

in hip hop was musically. Can't forget. Can't forget. Can't forget. And then how it actually even played out. Can't forget that. Which then took me into also, we can't forget,

and I said, we can't forget the time that 21 Savage was dating to Amber Rose and he was walking with the sign, I'm a slut or whatever. At which Roseberg was like, yeah, but that ain't even the worst part. We can't forget that the person who was doing the slut walk

is now a damn surrogate. A magamaniac. I think that's crazier than the fact that 21 had the sign. But it made me think about being in a relationship where like if my lady wanted me to do something that I was like, yeah, nah, I support you, but I'm not doing that. Right. I would do anything for love. Well, I won't do that. But I won't do that.

Which then took me to. Oh, that's how I got there, which then took me to when you're at the Habachi thing. Yes. Okay. And I was recently at. Saki time. I was recently at a Habachi thing. because Issa's football team was having a whole

Habachi did. I forget it. It wasn't been hot. It was something else. It was good. By the way, Habachi is on the low, not that low.

Fun. Yes. And usually like easy to be a pretty good meal. Yeah. Like it's always a pretty tasty meal. I mean, it's delicious. It's like meat, protein and vegetables.

Yeah. And with them a little fried rice, it's nice. Fun experience. So anyway, all the dads are sitting at one table. Okay. And then the moms are over there.

And then Issa and her friends are out a whole other. situation. Oh, so it's all separate. It's all separate because we were just kind of like, let's have the kids. They get to sit in their own little area and do team. And they're going to make the, they're going to make the smoke come out of the onions and the kids. Remind me to come back to that. Remind me to come back to that. Remind me to come back.

A lot happened here. So anyway, we get the guy. When does Ebro get a cost of it in the store? I don't get, I didn't get it cost it. Well, I didn't get a cost. I didn't get a couple. I almost got sexual assault. I almost got sexual assault. I was going to say. So anyway, they get to the point. where they're doing the thing where the guy wants to spray.

It's stocky time. I didn't know what that was. You never seen that? I never, A, didn't know it was sake time. B, didn't recall that it was sake because I was like, yo, what is in this dirty bottle you're holding? No, it's nasty. It looks like a ketchup thing at a fast food restaurant.

Like, what is this? But it's filled with just clear liquid. So they go around and when they get to me, I'm like, I'm not doing that. You're not just spraying some fluid and I'm going to open my mouth. No, it's, Ebro. It is absolutely bonkers. I'm not doing that. Last time I had Habachi was with Rosenberg again, and we all did it.

We were all Long Island, and we were having just a fun time, and we were with Kenza. And so it was like, let's do it. We really all did it because we just wanted to pressure Kenza to do baby sock because it was funny. Look, and there might be a world where I'm sitting there with like my wife. There might be a world where I'm sitting there with my wife and my family, right? And the girl and the kids, everybody doing it. That dad's going to do it too. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. And even then it's going to be hard. I'm at a table with a bunch of dudes and another dude spraying fluid. And everyone's mouth is open. Yeah, I'm not doing it.

But you didn't want to do the group Bukaki with the random Hobocci shit? I wasn't into it, man. I wasn't doing it. It's not my get down. You know what I'm saying? But there was some dads I was there get down and I was calling freaky-diki.

You know what I'm saying that? Yeah, I was like, you know, he's freaky-diki out here. Open your mouth for random food. Ah, in your mouth. And I was thinking like if jazz was there, she wouldn't, my wife would never put, me in a situation where she would be like, yo, bro, what are you doing?

Yeah, you should do. What are you doing? What's happening right now? And so I started thinking about, like, if you're in a relationship with somebody. Did they throw the shrimp in your mouth? Well, so here's the thing. The guy gets done cooking, boom, boom, boom.

And you know how they're kind of like, hey, have a great night. And you're supposed to slip my little tip. Yeah. I was like, yo, we didn't even get the full show. I didn't get the onion volcano jam. You didn't flip the food into the hat. You got to do that.

You didn't spin the egg on the thing. What? You didn't spin the egg. The dad didn't get none of that. The kids got it. The moms over there got it. Oh, this guy wanted to do is shoot off in your mouth. Man.

Didn't want to spin the egg? That's nothing. The spin the egg on the spatula is nothing. That's basic. We ain't get it, bro. So you didn't tip? I didn't want to dad's it. But you didn't catch, did he throw shrimp in your mouth?

No, not in my. You know, I'm not a, this isn't Sea World, bro. I'm not. I'm not really doing, man. Well, I got to be a part of the show, man. Leave me alone, bro. Yeah, what are we doing? No, it's wild embarrassing.

It is, but we, I look, it's fun. I might have video of this. I was trying to see if my father. Did you have? I think I have one of Ricardo. I think I have Ricardo mouth open. Oh my God, find it, find it. Find it.

And Kenza felt so pressure. She was like all little nervous. Oh, my God. And she doesn't. And we were like, yay. But y'all didn't even ask what was in the bottle when they're spraying in No water. It's supposedly, oh, for the baby?

Yeah, the baby was water. The baby, it's water for the adults. Do you know? Do you know? Do you know? You have video of us. But the last time I did, yeah, how about she was deaf? We all did it. We all did.

I wasn't with it in that moment. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a moment where I wouldn't be into it. I'm just saying in that moment. It's funny. Natalie said that Maya's watching the show. Okay. And when she saw me, when she saw me on the TV, this is new, because she seen me on TV a bunch, she doesn't care.

Yeah. She saw me on TV and she went, Dad, Da, and then it wasn't on TV for a little while. And then when I pop back on, she went, Daddy. That's cute. The Daddy and Mommy thing popping off is a big deal. It's a big deal. When it starts, yo, she started, it became a thing for her recently, is Daddy, Mommy. Oh, yeah, Mommy, Daddy.

And we were on the plane going to Mexico. And there was another little girl sitting a few rows back, maybe a few months older. And any time she'd hear her go, Daddy, it would be like a battle. And then I'd like, Daddy, Daddy! Daddy! I'm like, you're not battling. her over who could say. And she's like, no, actually I am.

No, I am. And I have, no one says it like me. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, ELR, A44, ELR, ELR3, King, Lou, we missed a couple of things yesterday. I shouted to Patreon. You also said we were supposed to shout to super chat yesterday. What did we miss? Yeah, no, there's a couple of super chats. You don't remember who they were.

Great. Son of a bitch. Damn. We appreciate you, though. See if we can pull them up because they were. You can't pull them up after the fact? It's a different way, though. So, um, let me see if I can hold on.

So, we haven't got into. the Stephen A story this week. No. And I got to be honest. How the NABJ feels about Stephen A, I concur. However, because you guys know I've talked pretty openly about how I feel about what Stephen A has been doing. However, I don't completely agree.

With what part? With how Stephen A has been shaped by the NABJ. Okay. And I vehemently disagree with how Stephen A is handling it. Okay. I mean, bro, could you have played yourself? Congratulations. You plagued yourself.

Anymore. Now, how long ago was it that Stephen A got mad at me and we talked about it on the show, Rosenberg? How long was it when I said he's dancing? You are soft-shoeing and dancing. Last month, Rosenberg? No, a couple months. More? Yeah.

And then here we are now, and he's getting this Thumbs-down award from the N. can you go to clip nine uh rassan and this has been playing out all week and it you know there's a lot of nuance here you know what we name this year i think we have to agree that there's a clear through line we're looking at the forces that make it harder for black journalists to do their jobs than harder for black communities to be covered uh fairly and fully right that includes government officials that are exerting their pressure on the press uh news organizations that are making decisions that weaken diversity and coverage, media owners who are facing questions

about the treatment of black journalists, who we know are under attack by internal and external forces across this country. And also influential commentators whose rhetoric can reinforce harmful narratives about black people, particularly black women. Now, you know me, we've been on this board together for a year now, and I've been very clear

that advocacy is central to my presidency, particularly advocacy around black women in our professions. So that means defending black journalists when they are targeted. But it also means challenging institutions or individuals. And so I think that's a sound argument against Stephen A. You're laughing. Sorry. Natalie found the sake video. So you weren't even listening to it.

No, no. I heard what she said. And so I feel like she's aligned and I'm aligned with what she's saying there Because there are, we are living in a time where voices, black voices on major platforms are being minimized, right? Black media outlets are being minimized. People are losing jobs in media. Like, this is all stuff we are seeing happen. Yeah. Right.

And Stephen A, I think being, you would say probably the biggest name as a black person in journalism, right? Like, who's a bigger name than Stephen A. Smith? that's black. I don't even know that's white, but yeah, I hear you. You know what I mean? So, um,

I, Gail King. Gail King? She's close. She's, they're close. Okay, yeah. The NABJ,

uh, calling him to task, I think is, because Stephen A's done a lot of stuff for HBCUs. He's done stuff with the NNNABJ. So I think the thumbs down award is basically saying, hey, we expect more of you.

you. We want you to understand the damage that you're helping others do. It's not like they gave him some like, I don't know, Kuhn Award or something. You know what I mean? It wasn't some like nefarious mean thing. It was like, hey, you're not doing a good job. Thumbs down. Because other people, other things were on the list too. NFL was on the list. CBS was on the list. Um, I don't, there were some other names up there on the list that also got the thumbs down award. Okay. So and I say that while simultaneously saying I think that Stephen A obviously does a lot of stuff for HBCUs. He does done a lot of positive stuff I think to help other black journalists and things like that. But I think the community that feels like he represents them, we feel like he represents the black community are saying to him, bro, we don't like how you're moving.

But shouldn't they have wouldn't it have been fair since he'd been there the last two years? wouldn't have been fair to at least give him a heads up that they were doing it, see if he wants to be there and have a conversation? I guess maybe, I don't know. Did that not happen? I don't know. I assume it didn't.

Because he, Louis, it didn't seem like that happened. No, it didn't happen. So he wasn't given the opportunity to be there. So as someone who chose to bring first take there the last two years, I see why he'd be offended. Like, we can have a conversation about whether he should be offended by what they're saying or he should process what they're saying. But I don't think what that's...

But at least don't blindside it was there last time. I don't think what they're saying is that you don't do anything. I think what they're for black people, black journalists, black community. I don't think that's what's being said when you're getting the thumbs down. I'm just saying if it was any subject and I had been, I had actively chosen to support the thing the previous couple of years. And on the first year that I hadn't been there in a couple of years, they made me a sort of part of their. But I don't think that's so. No, I get that.

But he's also, I think a black, he's a part of NABJ. I think he went to a HBCU. Like he's an active participant in black journalism circles. Sure. Full stop. Even before taking first take there. Right. You know what I mean?

They gather every year. No, and he's huge. So like, you're always sort of potentially in the conversation. Yeah. You're a huge deal. But I think what they're saying is, is we see you behaving in a way that is detrimental to black journalists. And I don't think that's like,

um, Yes, he could be offended. But I don't think it's also like a nefarious mean thing to hold somebody accountable. Because remember, it's Stephen A exists. We all exist. I exist because I come from a community that has created things, given me access to things,

supported me. And so I have an obligation to that community. Like I have an obligation to the hip-hop community. I have an obligation to the black community first and foremost. Sure. I don't exist without it. Agreed. So I feel the same way.

You know what I mean? So I think when your community, not only your journalism community, right? The black journalist is a community, but then your greater black community is saying, like I said, bro, you're tap dancing, you're soft-shoeing, you're dancing for these people. Like, this isn't good what you're doing. You're also in waters that you shouldn't be in with this politics. You sound nuts. You sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

You're too big for this. Like, don't let them use you in this way, right? I think all of that is being said because people love you because if they didn't give a shit about you it wouldn't say nothing. They would just make fun of you and move on. That thumbs down award is them saying,

hey, we haven't, because we know you, because we know where you're from, because people have gone out and said, hey, bro, you're moving funny. Don't do this. Right? All right, now,

bro. But you have a tendency, Lord, I feel like Ibra has a tendency sometimes to rattle, I'm not saying to people why the thing that. I'm not saying that. It's so hard to process it the way you're saying.

You're not wrong. I'm not saying he shouldn't be offended. That is not what I'm saying. And also, is it an accurate description though? Not liking the things that he said and done is everybody's right for sure. But like in terms of journalism, like Stephen A. empowers a lot of people to have voices. For sure.

People have called. No, but that's why I say it's new one. Don't take, okay, what was the specific thumbs down in the award? Louis, do you know that? What they said for him? It was specifically. Because I hear everything you're saying makes sense and I hear you, but obviously he ran to Fox News.

He was very offended. Yes, but I do wonder like whether they ignored a lot of the things that he also does. You have to look at people in their totality. And people have the right to not like things Stephen A. Smith says. Well, no, but he does a lot of things. Yeah, but this isn't an award. This is an award about journalism.

What he's, what he's covering. how he's covering it. Not who he's employing. Not what he's donating to. Not what this was about. This is a journalism award. Yes. So the thumbs down award,

sorry, the thumbs down award was for recurring public pattern of disparaging commentary directed at prominent black women. Specifically that. Well, I don't necessarily, I don't know if I agree with that.

A pattern. I don't know if there's a pattern. I'm going to lay out, but I don't know if there's a pattern. I know the Jasmine Crockett thing was wild, right? But if people are saying who represent that group say there is a pattern, I'm going to take them at face value unless I can refute it because I can't. But you pay attention to the news cycle enough to know that if you would observe the pattern. But not all it, but not of all of his, like, has he done other sports debates?

Had there been other incidents beyond the Jasmine. The Jasmine Cracket was a political one. I don't know if there's sports ones. I don't know. Well, I mean, I was trying to think, Carrie Champion. Yeah. So him and Carrie and Jamel have their own personal relationship and issues. Got it.

But Carrie specifically, I believe it was Carrie, called him out for saying he picks on black women. I, again, you can ask her whether she, what she thinks the pattern is. Right. But the other day when it came up in our chat and Laura sent us like sort of the AI, Yeah, yeah, just Googled, yeah. The Google, what they sent was not accurate. It was like, well, Carrie and Jamel don't really count in the sense that he didn't pick on them. They had a back and forth.

He didn't just arbitrarily decide. I'm going to go after them. So I don't know. I mean, listen, I should just shut up. I'm white and I work at ESPN. Who cares what I have to say? I didn't see it that way. I don't, you can have a lot of problems with him.

That I specifically. But so now, boom, still, it's just a thumbs down award. It's not going to jeopardize his employment. His income, any of that. His response, which is probably likely tied to why he's getting the thumbs down, was to go on Fox News. Doesn't this have to do specifically with your criticism of radical people on the left? And you did mention a couple of African-American women at times.

Jasmine Crockett, who says nutty things. Joy Reid, who says, in my view, nutty things. Is that what this is about? I think it is. I don't think there's any question about it, and that's why I spoke out against it, because I think it's utterly ridiculous. I was raised by five black women. My mother, God, rest of the soul, and my four older sisters. Have two daughters. I have ten nieces. I don't know what the hell they're talking about. I find it highly offensive that they would label me in this way. Give me a thumbs down award specifically for disparaging black women. I want everybody out there to know. There's no such thing. That did not happen. That is a flat out lie.

And that never happened. Whether it was Jasmine Crockett, whether it was Comptorke, whether it was Comptorke, Harris, whether it was Michelle Obama, I pointed to something that they said that I may have disagreed with. That is all that is all that I have done. And you said about Michelle Obama, she could win. That's what I remember you saying about her. No, no, no, yeah. Yeah, but remember what happened was that I said that I did not appreciate her saying that a vote for Donald Trump was a vote against women because I said there are a plethora of reasons why people go to a poll. Some people might prioritize the economy, immigration, safety in the streets of America, national security, etc. There are a plethora of reasons why somebody would choose to vote to sit up there and say

to African American men that a vote for Donald Trump would be a vote against women. I said, I don't think that's fair. And that's what I said. My point is whether you agree or disagree, how does the word disparaging come into play or to talk about me degrading and denigrating black women? No, I had a difference of opinion about something. that they may have said. Well, you were wrong about what Michelle Obama. But being wrong isn't what the issue is. No, no, no, no, not at all.

And Hannity affirming it like, you know, radical left. Well, of course. But now, but once again, why would you go up there? If, if, and so I think there's another thing at play here with, with Stephen A and, and, um, his level of comfort because he's from a community and he's probably feeling like he can speak on things. And speak with and speak about women because he has sisters and daughters and there's a level of comfort there. But the public may be receiving it and those individuals are receiving it because of this other behavior.

They were receiving it negatively because you're now losing trust. And once you lose trust, once people don't trust you anymore, when you're having heated dialogue, they take it as disrespect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you lose trust. Yeah. Do we have Jamel Hill speaking with Don Lemon? I have the criticisms of Stephen A. been unfair. The answer is no.

I think they've been completely fair, and I think a lot of them have been valid in terms of, as I was talking about, that different energy, and trying to understand where that comes from. And I think politically, people definitely have a problem with how he's used his platform and who he has platformed on his platform. And, you know, kind of the circles

that he seems to be in. ingratiating himself with, it leaves a little, you know, leaves one to raise the eyebrows and say, okay, what's really going on here? You know, you're flirting with running for president. We know that you're friends with some interesting people to say the least. And I don't want to be getting into business of judging people by their friend groups. But I think people can see the dynamic of what's unfolding and saying, like, who is he trying to ingratiate himself to and why? So there's that component of it, which I think those are fair observations. I do judge people by their film group.

Okay. All right. All right. I'm just saying, you know. I am. It says a lot about who you are. All right. Y'all be looking at me crazy too.

I got it. Exactly. I got it. So I get that. And I think those are fair criticism and observations. But here's where it gets to me a little thorny. Yes, it is true that first take, you mentioned this. They brought the show to an ABJ.

Part of that is because Stephen A has exhibited an actual commitment to black journalism. to black journalism. He's an HBCU graduate. He's taking the show on the road, as in first take, to many HBCUs. And while he wasn't the first show at ESPN to do that, my show actually was. But when I had his and hers, we went to Howard's Homecoming and did a big show. But that's okay. That's neither here nor there. It's not about me. But he has done that. And knowing how he, knowing a little bit with how he operates his show, there are black people that work on his show that he is actively, intentionally hired to bring black folks at the producer level, at other levels in our industry to bring them into the fold. There are a lot of black people who can say, Stephen A, help me

with my career. That Stephen A, he elevated me in this way. When he had his show, quite frankly, on ESPN, it is true. He created a segment strictly for black voices on his show because there wasn't a lot of black columnists. I was one of the black columnists that appeared on this show. Me, Rob Parker, Gary Howard, it was very few of us. Stephen A, it is true, gave us a platform to do those things. So while I do understand that how he has done and moved and operated in certain ways has gone against the mission of NABJ and that thumbs down award, that is what it is supposed to address, I do think the body of work should matter. And Stephen A. does not have a lengthy track record, I think, of going against the core and the root of what black journalism is.

And while I don't like a lot of the things that he has said, I'm also, I also cannot absolve or cannot erase the contributions he's made, both as a black journalist himself and also as somebody who has tried in many instances to use his position to help other black journalists. I'll tell you what, though, that's why Jamel is incredible. That's right. Because most people, when she's publicly had disputes with Stephen A recently. And when there's an opportunity to come comes up like this where you can create headlines by piling on and jumping in, she's like, yeah, but nah, you know, like that's just not how

see it. Well, she's honest. She's just that, that's what I think. That's not sexy. That doesn't, that doesn't get the algorithm pumping. Doesn't get the algorithm pumping. Well, that's why I thought it's important to show. I didn't see that move around yesterday. I didn't see that. Right. Didn't see that. Right. Yeah, yeah. So and and and, and I, look, I salute Jamel, Don. Um, I think the most egregious thing in all of this is Stephen A going to Sean Hannity to talk about it, which is why the thumbs down award is, is coming.

that's why it's happening from a group of journalists so why would you do that make that make sense yeah i think i think and and the lady the president of the nabj is is saying we're living in a time where that is so dangerous how you carry yourself as a black person with a platform could be potentially dangerous for the larger group of black people in society like that's the obligation And I don't know if everybody understands or feels that obligation. And I think you should. Feel you? Like you need, like people that see black people moving as a collective more take us more seriously.

And we all as black people have similar issues. But aren't a monolith in terms of having. But are not a monolith. But the similar issue we're dealing with against the federal government, is pretty it's pretty pretty clear it's really clear

you would think but I know for a fact that the way that Stephen A for example feels about Sean Hannity is different than the way you feel about Sean Hannity the way I feel about Sean Hannity

he is different now and while we can vehemently disagree with that does that make him inherently bad or anti-black well so like I'm with Jamet Or maybe it was well Don will say I judge you by your friends, right? I'm not necessarily judging you by your friends like if you have a friend who's like somebody that you disagree with but you guys are friendly.

Your neighbors maybe you I don't know play golf together whatever it is right like you have a lot of other things in common. But that individual doesn't quite understand what what damage they're doing to the black community in the case of Stephen A and we're being high. hypothetical in shihanity right it's not that i'm saying stephen a shouldn't be friendly with shianity or say shi annes his friend it's saying that we're having a discussion about you as a black person and how you're conducting yourself on your platforms and how it's damaging the group that you represent that's not a discussion for you in shihanity that's a discussion for you in that group yeah that's all When you're up there talking about Jasmine Crockett

and you have an opinion of Jasmine Crockett on your platform where you have people and are friendly with people who want to do damage to the black community, the community is going to look at that and go, you selling us out to them people? I wonder if it's as simple as, and I'm not saying this is, I'm not making excuses,

I'm asking the question. Hannity reached out. Stephen said yes. Yeah, it's that simple. Did we reach out? Did the breakfast club reach out? Did other places reach out? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. We, yeah, you know. But the responsibility falls on the person with the power, bro. Right. Stephen A, the expectation is that if Sean Hannity reached out, he would say, appreciate you, Sean, but I'm not going to, this is not a discussion I need to have. I need to have this discussion with the NABJ.

I need to have this discussion with, you know, a black media outlet. This is a, because you know what this conference is a, because you know what this conversation. She's about black journalists. Right. That's what the conversation. At the first place he had the conversation was on his podcast. Yeah. That was the first clip that he, that was the thing that he did.

He addressed it and long form that. But I'm in the combo, not his response. Having a combo about, hey, why you feel like this? What have I done? Here's my position. Let's learn. Because it is an opportunity to learn. More about Stephen A.

More about the fact that people from the black community have different ways of thinking about, look, all black people ain't aligned politically. For sure. yes Rassan in Stephen's defense on his show he did say he reached out to the president um asked her to join his show

to have that conversation and she declined she said she'd rather do it in private and he said but you had you get you publicly give me that award why can't we do it in public? Yeah still none of that for me means go to Sean Hannity right

that's all I'm saying let me ask you a question here I'm going to change gears a little bit here You don't have to announce that you're changing gears. Clip six. This is a hip-hop thing that we never talked about this week. How do we feel about number six? You know how I feel about the rankings of things.

Oh, here we do. Well, I like this. Here we go. Not necessarily the ranking, but how they ranked it. Okay. And how they decided. Mob deep shook ones, according to votes, is the greatest hip-hop beat of all time.

We rank the 100 best hip-hop beats of all time and declared Grandmaster Flash the Furious Five is the message the best beat of all time. However, our readers vote, and claim that Mobb Deep shook ones part two was the best beat of all time. Swipe to see how you rank the top 10 and why you rank Shook Wens part two at number two.

I like when they do the re-rank. This is cool. So Shook-Wans at one, still D-R-E at two, cream three, New York State of Mine, four, reminisce five, G-thang six, paid-in-full remix,

seven, The Message Eight, grinding nine. I gotta tell you, it's not a bad list. No, it's not. That's what I'm saying. That's not.

That's not. I just really love the re-ranked part. What were they listening to the votes and say, they're like, hey, here's what we feel. Then they leave it to the votes. And this is complex? Yeah, great job.

People at Complex got together on Beyonce's internet and they thought the message was number one. Apparently so. Apparently. Whose grandpa came in the room was like, y'all going to make the message number one. What? I don't know.

Maybe Jordan, maybe Jordan and who else's over there? Damn, forget some names. But shout to Jordan. But I'm just, who? Maybe, maybe it was him. I just, that's very odd. It's a good beat. It's a really good beat.

Well, and it, and it like went through errors. Remember? Because you have the message. You have check yourself. Yeah. And then there was another one after that. Check yourself is better. Oh, daddy.

Who would, which one? Can't nobody hold me down. Right. Boom. Yeah. I think the, I think the best sounding version of it is check yourself. But you, but you don't have check yourself without the message.

Either way, it shouldn't be number one. Eight is just fine. I think that's just fine. Um, how do you feel about shook ones at one? I don't think, Shook Ones is one. And I love Shook Ones. I'm not good at this, bro.

I'm, this is the wrong program. I can't, I don't. Is it your favorite beat? What's your favorite beat? It's not, not. I don't even know if I have a favorite beat. That's my problem with me in these debates.

I don't have a, what's your favorite beat? I don't. Kick in the door. Like, that's your favorite beat. Kick in the door is mine. Wow. Your favorite beat. Yes.

Listen to how it makes you feel when it comes in, bro. It's so fucking good. Um, excuse me. It's not my favorite. I think it's really good. And I love that you have that. I'm sure I love it. I think,

no, you're gonna, you can't play it. I can play, Frankie. Uh-huh. Okay, that's it.

I like it. Not my favorite. Not my favorite. Um, I would, I think still DRE is probably, I mean, that's probably it.

It's the most, it's the most perfectly produced song I've ever heard. The answer, is the instrumental on there? I don't disagree. It is the most perfectly. Yeah, I'm still fucking with you.

Still water's one. It's tough. Sinister. And then, uh, drama. Bring the drama. That song has everything.

Brings the drama. And what do they have that is two? Yeah. I mean, so it's not far off. It's solid, solid, solid. Give me one, Ebro, one. I mean. And the way that when you hear how they flipped it,

it's an insane thing, havoc did an insane thing. On the sample, you know. Yeah, it is a wild, uh. It's up there. No, it's up there. And Reminis is up there. It's a great call.

Great call. Cream. Hmm. Cream's not like my favorite Riza produced record. Hmm. Production-wise. But it's, but I guess it,

again, impact weighs in, of course, right? Yeah, of course. Like, ice cream's better than... Jump ahead there, April.

Keep jumping because it's not going to play it, and it's not even the beat yet. Okay, okay. I love the live was no job. At second hands, mom's bounced on old man. So then we...

I love the song more than I love the beat. Yeah, like I think ice cream If I were choosing records from that era of blue I think ice cream hits harder than Go back to their list The rerank you want to hear ice cream Scarfaces might hit harder than Incarcerated Scarface is I love that beat

That might be crazier than I actually love New York State of Mind No that's a case There's a great case for New York State of Mine New York State of Mine I also love Mass Appeal Gangstar

I'm sure that got considered. I love those are maybe my two favorite. By the way, we could if you want to do a Patreon of us trying to rank the top ten premiere beats just I can't so my problem is so my problem is this I can't select we should bring him in for it. I can't rank I can't write I can't no no like actual numbers I hate ranking no one through I bet you guys as much as I love ranking though I really do prefer general ranking when you get into one versus six what how wait you're telling me shook ones is five slots better than whatever six was.

Well, okay, fine. Sure. The nothing but a G thing, I mean, I guess. Love it. Love it. But it's made up. But like I do like saying, what could we agree? I think my, I think my, so I love nothing but a G thing. I've always had an issue because nothing but a G thing is a straight loop.

It's a loop. But we didn't, but a lot of us didn't know that until later. And when I found out, I was like, oh, they didn't do nothing. No, no. No, no. All of it is just, we could have produced it. But still, we did it. But we didn't.

That's the original. Oh, I thought it was the song. See? He was just like, oh. There it is. What records is again? It's Leon Haywood. I want to do something freaking to you.

I am happy that grinding is up to the top ten. I love grind. Listen, there's some beats up there that took ingenuity, and that's my point. Like, I don't dislike numbers. You think I'm fine. I rank to wherever. But there's some, and still DRE.

That took ingenuity. That took a lot. Shook ones. took a lot. Grinding as simple as it is, when you listen to it, it took a lot. Right. But you're saying putting G-thang there,

which is dope as it is, it's a loop. It's a straight loop. Because even reminisce has a bunch of parts in it. And that comes three and a half minutes into a song in a random part. And then he made the whole thing work with the little parts that he

that he like has played throughout. I hear you I would have said that they could have probably just unstill the R8 by the way there's mad other dray stuff you can talk about So even this took layers because you got the drums Do you can't do the piano it's it's a lot The reason we came by the way for y'all watching the reason I know you getting hype wherever you are like Let that play on the internet. We can't let it play they take down the whole video We can't wait Louis what are you gonna say? No I was gonna say even on the album let me ride in the Let Me Ride remix, I think that beat is stronger than nothing but the G thing.

Yeah, I can all I don't disagree. I love Let Me Ride. But is let me rock how I don't know how I loop I don't know how looped it up that is. Can you find out of Kerry one. Yeah. Let me ride is fire. That me ride's great. Dr. Day is great. Puffing on blunt sipping on tanker are you guys are you guys saying that Dr. Dre has a lot great. Is that where you're. Hey, he's a good. Is that your hot take today Dr. Dre. He's got beats. Ha ha. Hey, that guy's good. But no, but still. But it is but still. But it is, but But it is fun. But it is funny, though, that I think most everyone agrees.

With all the Dre records that are amazing, I think everyone does agree. By the way, deep covers a hell of a beat, guys. Deep covers. And I haven't even done the knowledge on it. I haven't done the knowledge on deep cover. I don't know where it came from. I don't know what it came from. I've never even looked.

I've heard it. What the F does it sound like? Let's see. Never even looked what deep cover actually was built from. Because that's the thing for me in beats. Like when you get down to judging beats, it's like, yes, the impact. Yes, all these things. But now it's more than just what it did for the feeling.

It's what it did. How was it done? Like, what did it take? But isn't it funny that as great as Dre is? It does seem that everybody agrees his best record still DRI. Really? Don't you think? I don't know.

I think everyone agrees that's the best beat Dre ever made is still Dre. The main cover sample in Deep cover. Well, it lists sing a simple song first, but that's not the sample. Look up the undisputed truth. I know I'm losing you.

I know I'm losing you. I know I'm losing you. Because the sing a simple song by that's the drums, I guess. Maybe. It's probably a sample. I don't know. I know I'm losing you by the undisputed truth.

Is it there? Temptations have a version, too, which is interesting. But it's not there? No, it is. That's it. That's just I can feel it. I can feel it. All right, stop.

You're playing with fire in this episode. So sing a simple song. It's the drum loop at 214. So that's not do-do. All right, so firecrackers. You see that? Yeah, sound ideas. But that's not going to be.

That probably won't be anywhere. Well, once again, And deep cover took some ingenuity, man. Oh, no, that's just a... Oh, that's that. That's that. The lit would not. So did he just play it? That there's no other samples.

Yeah. There's no other samples on for it. So it's little pieces that he was chopping up and playing. Do, do, do, do... One thing you never forget, when you go back and listen to NWA records, Dre's ability to pull samples together. That's why I call him the doctor. The way he's cutting.

slicing and chopping and sewing things together that's why he's a doctor it's crazy it's why he's a doctor this is not this is the drums at 214 the break i mean some of the most famous drums in history but yeah none of this has mad people have used that a million times mad you want to know how many you know any you know any samples sing a simple song has by sign of the film is i'm going by i'm going for 370 370 yeah records have used that sample or something try 596 596

and in terms of in terms of big ones the top songs deep cover temptations by Pock sound of the police easy does it

humpty dance I know de la soul fight the power Mr. Wendell freak like me ghetto jam crooklyn I'm that type of N word

the far side jazz remix Thank you, Alanis Morissette. Crazy. What about your friends, TLC? Yo, this is a 30 for 30. Like, we need the just on. Have you seen the Slidestone Doc that Quest loved it?

No, I haven't watched yet either. Phenomenal says it's amazing. Amazing. I got to watch the Earthwind and Fire Joint. I haven't watched that. You watched that for Sond? Man, I love her. For Pete's sake, Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth.

That's a lot. Really dough. Iceke. Hold on. J.B. 's coming through. Yep. What you remember.

Ready to die, Biggie. Make room alcoholics. Bro, it's crazy. Ike and Tina Turner for a bold soul sister. Party for your right to fight. Public enemy. Sweet potato pie, domino. He won't stop.

Blow your mind, Red Man. All right. We got it. Brothers going to work it out. All right. All right. Stay real. Eric Serbitt.

All right. It's a lot. Listen, we want a shout out to our friend Lynn Manuel Miranda, who continues to just win stuff. That was awesome. And play clip four. She's winning. He's got Tonys and Grammys of plenty.

Written many a musical score. Wrote Moana and Bruno and Peggy. So who cares? What's his deal? What's it for? Why do I write like I'm running at a time? I want to be where the people are. Write songs like Minkin and how.

Howard Ashman. Watching the kids sing along to the songs on that screen. I was that kid just a bit bizarre. Singing alone with my plushy Sebastian. Playing my Cassio keyboard along with each scene. I was just nine by my TV. This is how he used his acceptance speech for you. Playing, praying each night, the music I'd write would be part of the TV.

of your world. That guy's good, man. And he did it. The notes were in the Little Mermaid. VHS box. Yeah. I had that joint. The VHS?

Yeah. I had all of them. That guy's good, man. No, he's, he's good. He still lives in the Heights, which is crazy. But awesome. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, for sure.

I just like, I, when you try to even, I don't, he carries himself so regular that I can't quite, my math can't math on how rich he is. Because the amount of things he's done is absolutely bonkers. But he also, but he also lives, I mean, look, he lives in Manhattan where you have, you know, all economic levels. You know what I'm saying? So. Well, yeah.

Yeah. He lives in Manhattan, but it's. But that's like Spike Lee still lives in Brooklyn. I guess is my point. True, true. He has an entire brownstone and an entire office that's a brown. Yeah. No, but I'm just saying he's still in Brooklyn.

I mean, Washington Heights has amazing architecture. And we don't know where he lives and watch the night. Where in Washington Heights? We don't know. He's in a whole one of those. They have brownstones in Washington Heights that are amazing. No, no. Listen, yes, all of those things.

I doubt he's on 181st, okay? He's not at the bus terminal. You don't think so? Nah, I don't think so. But it's crazy. I mean, the amount of success that Lynn has had, it's insane to watch. That Disney show looked pretty good. I didn't really know what was happening and then it happened.

It was like the Disney honors, the Disney Legends show. Where was this? It was Sunday. I believe it was at Disney. That's dope. It was the Rock was honored. He was honored. What do you do?

Do you sing anything? The Rock, I know, had the entire audience sing happy birthday to his daughter Simone. Oh, that's so nice. And you know, The Rock just put out a record. Yeah, a country album or something. No, he put out a single. A single. About, not country.

Just like a ballad. about his daughters. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh. This didn't make your alcohol? No. I saw it.

I saw it. I didn't listen to the song. It's nice. It's nice. You tear up? I haven't sat and listened to the whole thing. My guess is I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just saw a clip and thought, this sounds pretty good. For people who don't realize also, the rock's wrestling career involved a lot of singing. The rock used to sing a lot. Rock concerts were a thing. I didn't know that. Yeah, I had no idea.

I missed that completely. I remember the rap records. No. He did rock concerts where he would pull out a guitar and sing in the ring. Never knew that. Yep. That's tight.

Makes more sense now. You ready for the rundown, Laura's house? Sure, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Laura got the rundown, turned that up. Screen's on glow when she pulled up. Headlines heavy, but we still cut up.

Life still flashing. We don't slow up. We didn't get to touch this yesterday, but here's a video of Jake Cole getting emotional during one of his performances. Literally is none to happen. We've gotten the gist of it, Deverson. Let's see. He's just crying.

How long does it go for? 30 more seconds. That's what I said. It's a moment. Does he start talking? At some point, does he send? Yeah, I mean, he goes back. I don't think it's his clip.

That's okay. Don't know. Yeah, it's okay. We have to watch it again. Do you have the clip of Mall from Rory and Mall now. We do. We do. Yes, we were going there.

Oh. See, don't be a hypocrite because you said, Cole, all I want to see you do is do love yours and all that shit, stay in that lane. He's in that lane. He's crying. everyone's crying, I cried, we all cried. We cry together.

That's why I said he's good. He's good. This shit, he's doing this crying shit. This is great. You don't think he, you are so fucking ridiculous. This is great. This is how you pull up the heartstrings right here. This is how you win the people back.

You become so relatable. Cole is, oh, that's been his thing forever. It's not being related. That's why I said, you go all the way. To the point that people have criticized, like, all right, you're too relatable to college students. I shoot people, so I can. can't relate like yeah he has a specific core that he's relatable to and you don't

think with the lyrics of that song that he wrote without AI penned himself felt every word that he was writing wrote without a shot at somebody I just let me can I oh my god you pose a question can I oh my God can I answer you oh my God can I answer you of course I just feel like a lot of this shit is and it's and it should be but I feel like a lot of this is performing it but he is performing it's at a show he's on stage so it should be performative. It's nothing wrong with it. I think as Cole fans, y'all just get too, like,

whenever somebody has something to say about Cole, y'all get too, like, your panties and a bunches. Just listen to what I'm saying. I know Drake fans not saying that. It's supposed to be performative. It's supposed to be performative. He's at a show. Now, if he was doing this shit on fucking,

on Bowery crying, just walking down the block while somebody's playing Love Yours, I'd be like, all right, we might need to check on Cole. You might be going for something. But on stage, doing the record crying that's what it's called performance it's a performative thing you're acting like he's one of those people that films themselves crying in their bathroom to no no no that would be that would be crazy i'm just saying this the lyrics to love yours are tear jerking he lived those

you don't know what is going on in his life at the time too they could trigger that backstage with his kids his wife yeah you could get on stage see that and start crying when you perform those lyrics that you mean so much this is to be incredibly meta but what does that word me what you mean's in the Inside, inside, inside. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Mall is the one being performative. And he's great at it. I'm going to do the same thing to Mall that Mal was doing to Cole.

That was performative. That whole thing, and they are master. Rory and Mall have become the current hip-hop masters of performative conversation. Mall knows what he's doing. He knows how DeMaris's going to react. He knows how Rory's going to react. He knows how the Internet's going to react. Right.

He has now become the master's. of being performative. Which many would just call a troll. Which many would just call a troll. Would many be called trolling? And I would say is the same thing that he's saying about Cole. That's what the job is.

What? The same way that... Now, all I would take... Why are people mad that he said that? Like, who cares? Well, I think because if you see somebody getting emotional about something they went through and they wrote about,

they want to believe that it's real. My only question would be, and I love... I don't really have any... My only question would be this cold cry every night? or was that a one-time thing? This might be an isolated moment because I'm sure if it's an isolated moment,

I disagree with him all. Because if it is performative, why is he doing that in Cleveland? Right? Like you would think he would have done that in New York or the play, you know, I'm in New York. I'm in Queens, you know, is where I grew up and I came. I'm here and y'all. That's, and then he's performing that song.

I think maybe Cole lives here. His family's here. He had, you know, lived here. or why I went saying, whatever the story is, that would now align with what Ball was saying. Or North Carolina. That would not. Now I'd be a line.

I'd be, or if it was happening every night, I'd be like, yeah, I mean, yeah. If it's not happening every night, why did Cole just decide to do that in Cleveland? And I disagree with him all on this. What is he? What did he say? He says something about like ingratiating people back to him.

Coal selling, who? I know. Who are you talking about? Who is this? Yeah. He must be looking at. looking at a mirror mall. He was talking about himself.

Right, because the people. Because Cole fans are locked. They never left. Never left. How about this? And the people who didn't like coal after the Drake thing didn't like Cole. They were not Cole fans. Before the Drake thing.

Correct. No one who truly was a Cole fan was so bothered by the way he handled the battle that they were like, I can't mess with coal. That's not a big. Matter of fact, I remember us talking about how Cole handled it being on brand for Cole. Correct. I was like, oh, he's a.

thoughtful guy. He thought more of it and he walked away from it. Yeah. It was like very, no real Cole fan was like, oh man, I was a fan. But now I see you don't want to smoke. You're not my guy. No, he was true to himself. You thought Cole was the smoke guy?

That was why you were a fan of Cole. It makes no sense. It is the most made up. Yo, it's just, you know what it is? Everyone, it is the continue, and we're guilty of it too. It is, and they're definitely guilty of it. It is the continuing. of the stretch out of the Drake, Kendrick, click.

Let's squeeze out the last clicks of Drake and Kendrick. It may go on for another two, three years. Because clips that relate to it still move around. Well, that part. So there's, you know, the algorithmic benefit. Oh, the hustle. But then there's also just last week or a week before last. You had Drake putting out a clip talking about my pen ain't dry.

And he's still squeezing on it, too. Hey, yo. You know what I'm saying? Like so everybody, and then you, and then the academics of the world, like, if you talk about Drake, you know, now you're, I don't know, on the stimmy package. If you don't, you're a hater. It's kind of like, everybody's on it. No, it's, it's, I remember there being a time when we thought the Drake Kendrick thing was good. I still think it's good.

That, I don't. That time has passed. It is just turned bad. I think, no, I think the internet is bad. I think for hip hop and people paying attention to lyrics and caring about hip hop, it was great. For the Algo hustle and these stands and bots, that's been bad for hip hop since before that. But can you separate it? Absolutely, because it was happening before.

Yeah, but it's so much worse. It feels worse. Only if you give a fuck about what the internet has to say. But everyone does. I don't. Okay. And you don't either. You'll battle with the internet all day if you stand.

If you believe something, you will go. to war with the internet. You will not back down. It will not shape your thoughts. Oh, shape my thoughts. No, but we do care about it. It affects the way we operate. Yeah, but it doesn't affect what we think is dope hip hop.

No, I agree. Lord, you hear what I'm saying? But I think culturally it's had an impact still. It's not just the internet. It's the whole thing. No, it has had an impact. But I wouldn't shy away from something that is that takes place in our thing that we love, which is hip hop because of how the internet.

I think it's overall. I think it's over. I think looking back, what do we know? now going to, we're now, this was two years out? Was this two, four years, Louis? For the beef? Yeah. Yeah, it's about two years. Two years. I think looking back at two, from two years vantage point, to me, it was bad.

It turned out to be a bad thing. Well, I think it was great for Kendrick. I think it was great for Drake. I think it's been great for, it was great for Drake. Absolutely. Because remember before the battle, his albums were quieter than Iceman. Never forget that. Never forget those albums were quieter than Iceman. But he took such a long time getting to Iceman. If he had taken any pause that, was a really long time. I think Iceman would have been a huge. Yeah, but he had a story.

It gave him a story. He gave him a purpose. It gave him a reason. It was him against the world. Like it was this Iceman thing delivered. The Kendrick part I would agree with on the, does the Super Bowl happen without the whole thing? And not like us.

And all of these big records he had. Yeah. He was coming off Miss Morale. And he was coming off Mr. Morale. So in that sense, I agree. And people are paying attention to lyrics and digging in on lyrics and meaning. I don't even like that anymore. It's frigging annoying.

I mean, look, everything piece. No, he doesn't. on two sentences. Oh, I just like the fact that people are passionate about it. Laura, what do you think? You think it's overall good or bad? I think I'm leaning more with Ebro because I don't care. You know, the internet is going to be shitty no matter what.

And because we've seen these type of reactions like in the political space, like, you know what I mean? Because people have had that same feeling about the political space. But it's like, you know, the internet's always going to be there. And it's very loud if you connect in. There's a whole world of people who don't give a shit. Right. And they just enjoyed the music. That's it.

That's it. Went to the GNX Cizzoor. Went to, are at the cold shows. When Drake decides to go on tour, them tickets are going to go crazy. Yeah, no, I guess even when you think about it, what this conversation is based on, essentially, I'm basing it on mall.

Mall's takes, him being one example. Academics is another one. But those, that is Internet. Yeah. That's it. That's it. They, mall and AC, and others, Some people say you, I do not believe that to be true

because I'm with you every day and I know the truth. Personality have been shaped some by the battle and to me that's corny. When your personality starts to kind of shit. But you remember, I've been shaped by the Kodak thing, the Uzi thing and the Drake thing. Long before the Drake thing, I had the Kodak and Uzi thing. So I've been fucking with y'all on the internet.

Right. True. So I didn't give a fuck. I mean, we're in a world where it's like you have to pick a side. How dare you? Like if I am a Drake fan or anybody's fan, you cannot. You absolutely cannot enjoy anything Kendraith does. Who are you? What?

Are you really? Well, that's the part that I... You know what I mean? I think it's stupid. That's the part that I hate though. And it's hard for me to separate that. I don't think that's real hip-hop. By the way, I honestly don't think those are real hip-hop people. No, they're not. They're not. They're fans of an artist. You're not fans of hip-hop. Any real hip-hop fans likes all of them. At no point, Drake has personally insulted me.

and at no point when Iceman came out did me and my wife not go turn on that Iceman facts and not at any point would my brother if I was like yo you heard the new Drake he would be like yo I'm not talking about that shit he laughed at your fridge

what is Drake it's Kendrick so you're right so you are right but I end up being annoyed by and I know it's really a mall's annoyed you know what this is mall's annoyed because he's allowed that's performative

You want them to talk about our show on their show. I love them all. I really do. I'm fond of mall. But the whole like every time everything comes up now, it's like, oh, here we go. It's, you know, he's not ACC because AC is ACC. And that's a whole different conversation. But the whole thing, man, can we just, can we move forward now?

Can we start talking about Kendrick and drink normally on the internet? So wait, so stop. So stop. So the individuals who said we were going to stop talking about this and we all should move on. are the ones continuing to talk about it. You mean me? No. Act, Drake, Mall, their fans.

They're the ones. Like, the Kendrick hasn't done anything in a long time. And you know, Cole fans are the nicest people ever. They mind their own business. They're out there enjoying their guy and loving the shows and loving the album and the rollout. And it's been phenomenal.

Honestly, and didn't care about the beef. And didn't give it. No, they cared as hip-hop fans. I think they cared to be, you know, but they weren't affected by Cole in it. But I also don't think Cole fans, and if you're a Cole fan, let us know, like if you're a hyperfan,

I don't think there are a crowd that, like, picks just their artist either. No, because they're not weirdos. They're just hip-hop fans. Cole fans are hip-hop fans, God. That's right. That's right. You know what it is?

I think it is Cole fans are hip-hop fans. There are a lot of hip-hop fans that are Drake fans and Kendrick fans. but there's also a sect of now Drake and Kendrick fans who are not hip hop fans. They were just rooting for them in a battle. They're like team supporters in like European soccer more than they are hip hop fans. Cole are just, yeah, you love hip hop and Cole's the artist who maybe brought you to hip hop or is one of the artists that brought you hip hop. So that's the part that annoys me.

The fake hip hop fans who really are just supporters of Drake or Kendrick, y'all are weird, bro. I can't say her name, right? because she wouldn't want this to be out but a girl of a female MC who is very popular was the one that told put me on to that thought oh that and it was specifically to to girl to female MC rappers who are popular

she said the problem that a lot of women who rap have is most of the fans that like women rappers, they're not hip hop fans. They're fans of that woman. They're fans of that woman, her aesthetic or, you know, where she's from or whatever. Right?

But they're not just hip hop fans. She was like, I grew up a hip hop fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it all. I want all of it. The ratchet stuff, the smart stuff, the street stuff, the pop stuff. And on the foul side of that, there's been a long time problem with, and I've heard this many times,

male hip hop fans don't like listening to women rappers. That's been well and male DJs male hip hop DJs won't play female rappers because they're some sort of weirdo manhood thing where they're y'all are weird bro like I've been on that for the longest I used to scream at DJs about that. Well and I think they think men won't like it so I'm not and I'm used to men being listening to a lot of hip hop and so I'm not going to play. I don't do this a lot but that's gay. I just would be like I only play men and I'm a full. afraid of my manhood to play a woman rapper? Yeah, I don't understand.

Bro, come on. What's really going on here? Oh, you're saying literally gay? What's really going on? Right. And I don't do stuff like this. I don't say stuff like this. No, no, but you're saying it literally.

You're saying, what are you scared of? What's going on? What's happening? You don't want to play, like, you don't ever get excited and play a party record? You don't play a girl rapping and be like, oh, this is fire. Like, she's going after it or. Don't put it on the gays. No, not on the gays.

No, it's more the closeted. The closet of it. DJs like what's really going on it's my new crew your your DJ crew your manhood is so fragile Think about that your manhood is so fragile That playing a dope record that happens to have a girl rapping might jeopardize your manhood and how you appear to other men you didn't get hyped up on chicken head when She jumps in when um what's her face jumps in um damn why am i miss miss miss on her name

when gangstaboo jumps in all right p again I'm going to die out a few years ago. I did. When Gangsta Boo jumps in, you're not getting hyped? You're like, oh, that's the chick part. You know, bro, the sound of Remy, of Remy, just stepping in. I don't get it. People are behind that mind.

Yeah, no, that's weirdo behavior. But so is the internet. They include that in weirdo behavior. There's a lot of weirdo behavior. But for the hip hop fans, I do believe that, you know, the internet, it will fool you into believing that that's what hip hop is. But it's not. And it's just not.

Thanks for you. You set me straight. We should do the gurus, by the way. Oh, it's guru. The gurus. Rosenberg. It's all right. You know you are a beautiful queen.

Ebro. Don't ever play yourself. You're not a guru. The original gurus at gmail.com. The original gurus at gmail.com. We're the gurus unite to shine the light. Burn the sage, ebro. Zen, zen, zen.

Hi, Rosenberg. who is writing to us, who needs us. Who's out there? I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm looking. I'm deciding whether I want to engage with the crazy or not, but I don't think I want to. Why not? How crazy?

Well, Laura's not a fan of engaging with the crazy. Well, what type of crazy? Like, what's the category? Someone, racial crazy. Someone who listens to the show for a long time sends an email she interacts a lot with the show okay I'm not naming names Laura

don't make that face she engages with the show a lot I mean go ahead and she went off on me about my pit bull take that's right

which apparently my take of people need to know how to take care of a pit bull or they shouldn't have one that take that's right you and your wife by the way I don't know I was so annoyed by the oh no no well I know why because it was that was the that was the blatantly discriminatory nasty part she wrote in the email and then she wrote in a follow-up and said the same thing again she said in both times that's why I don't like to entertain these crazies because I bro you paying attention yeah kind of pay attention kind

and I'm annoyed at you for entertaining what Louie don't want me to either not go for it it's just no you're in now because now because people By the way, she's not the first one. She's bringing it up in the most annoying way, but she's not the first person who's brought this up. But the part Laura's offended by is that she said, this is about Rosenberg and blah, blah, blah, blah. But since you allowed Rosenberg to spew racist,

uninformed stereotypes and misinterpretations on Pipples, racist is crazy. You can't, I don't know if Pipples are race. Racist. I don't know if that. I got to check the U.S. census, but I don't know what box they check. She said, while Boogee Berg and his, his Israeli wife are sitting in their luxury town.

Oh, here we go. And that's the part that has you. He should know that Labrador's Dalmatians, Chihuahua's all account for more dog bites than pits. And by the way, there is no pit bull breed because of the irresponsible backyard breeders. Shelter staff and pretty much everyone else misidentifies dog as pit bull mixes when they are not in over 38% of the time. Wait, what are we getting in the stats now? 84% of fatal dog attacks are perpetuated by unneeded or unspayed dog. Ma'am, you're making the point for me.

Right. I never have said, and you people are sensitive and need to listen. I've never said pit bulls are bad animals. I love pit bulls. I love half pit bulls. I've loved full pit bulls. We love dogs. Jolks.

I love dogs. Yes. Okay. However, if you don't care for your dog properly, the difference between, and I'll make it very clear, Rocky used to while out sometimes, if Rocky was a pit bull, that would have been a problem. And my not parenting him the right way could have led to an issue. Except he's a six and a half pound Maltese.

So when he whiles out, I scound. scoop his ass up and go chill out, Rocky. You can't do that with a pit bull. That is the reason. So you can give me all the bite stats that you want. But the danger from certain breeds is that certain breeds are capable of more harm. And the real dangerous ownership. Yes.

That's the point. And we always have said that. The real dangerous ownership. But, you know, people do get offended when you talk about the capabilities of any, an animal, right? Like when they talk about, I've seen people be like, you know, hippos kill the most humans every year. And they're like, but hippos are not? And they start defending the hippos. Yeah, because there shouldn't be people where the hippos are.

Sure. That doesn't change this. It doesn't change it. Pit bulls have physical capabilities that make them potentially very dangerous if a human has them and it doesn't care for them and give them the attention and leadership and things that they need. I'm going to. Jane Corso, Rotweiler. I'm going to say,

I haven't said this before, so I'm going to say it. A while ago, because now a lot of time has passed. Bear was attacked by a partially, a partial pit bull. We've never said this on the air. It's only been private.

Partial, it wasn't all pit bulls. It was the most traumatic, second, third most traumatic thing I've ever been through in my life. I thought it was the end. It was bad enough. Shout out to the guy who would recognize me and was chatting with me moments before it happened.

His distraction. By the way, you thought I was upset when the guy talking with me while his daughter was being mean to Maya. This guy's chatting with me. And in the meantime, some guy walks by with his pit bull. And the bear and the pit bull came face to face. And before I knew it, Bear's neck is in the pit bull's mouth. If you have not been through that experience. And by the way, that has not led to me hating pit bulls.

that has not led to me not wanting to pet a pit bull. None of those things. What it has led me to do, though, is think about ownership. I'm not going to tell the whole story right now. It ended with me punching this dog in the face and saving my dog's life by the fucking hair of my chinny, chin, chin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was busted up and bloody, still have a scar on the top of my head. It was nasty. And I never once held in the air because it was super traumatic and I just didn't feel like dealing with it. But the guy who was responsible for that dog, Once we did the work, guys, it was at least the third or fourth time in our community. Something like that had happened.

And because the dog is attacking other dogs and not humans, nothing happens. Now, to those people like this person who is thinking I'm cruel, we went out of our way in pursuing this to make sure no harm would be done to this animal. but we pursued this person, found them, threatened them with lawyers to demand training and a muzzle while in public. And I swear to God, I saw this person again. There was no muzzle. So my problem, again, is not the dogs. It's the morons who often people go, I want a dog. And the people at the place go, well, we have lots of pit bulls.

Would you be interested in the pit bull? That process, or partial pit bull or whatever is, that process needs to change. You can't, the community in which I was in which this happened, there are mad children and dogs walking all the time. You see what I'm saying? So you're just like, I'm very passionate about it. And at no point is it about the animals themselves. It's about the people. Yeah.

So stop being offended. If you love them, be honest about what their capabilities are. Yo, when that thing locks in, bro, it's, it's on. Like donkey comb. You called it a thing. They're going to be offended. Yeah, she's going to threaten you.

By the way, I felt bad even afterwards, even after I punched his dog square in his nose, cleanest punch I've ever thrown in land in my entire life. I put the soul of God was in my hand. I swear to God, it was slow motion. Everything was chaos. And I went, I was like, it was like, it was like George McFly in back to the future.

When he knocks out Biff, I looked at my hand like, this is it. If this doesn't land, Bear's dead. It's over. And that thing landed so square. I felt guilt. I felt real. I hated having to do that.

And when I later saw pictures of the dog, because I tracked down this MFer, I was like, that's a really cute dog. I hate that I had to punch you in the face. But what are you going to do? Right, right. Maybe this lady's going to write back and say, me and my Israeli wife should have let Bear perish in the street. if I really cared about pit bulls so shut up lady I think the whole thing

was performative going all the way back to the incident or all of it all of it I don't even know how you ever there was no question that was just that wasn't even a guru

that was a crazy lady yelling at us and I got triggered that should have been on like Family Friday or something which is tomorrow that's tomorrow

damn you're right that should have been but you could be on the guru Ebro-Ebro-Law-Rosvenberg at Gmail. We'd love to know what's going on in your personal. If you need a little insight, we'll try to give it to you. We'll get back on top of it. We did a couple this week, right?

We had some gurus this week. There's some gurus. Tomorrow we'll be live at 8. This is how it goes on Fridays. Live at 8. And then we jump over to the Patreon after that. So make sure you have a Patreon subscription if you want to join us for more of the Family Friday shenanigans. We appreciate y'all.

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