The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show - 172.) TizzyENT Joins The Show + Nas-Hitboy Beef? (8/27/26)

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Today on Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg - Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg are discussing the new To Catch a Predator Movie, Tizzy Ent discusses being deplatformed by TikTok, JellyRoll trolls Trump on Jimmy Kim...mel, Rosenberg Gets Frustrated At Stephen A Smith, the Nas Hitboy Beef -that Ebro doesn’t want to be involved with, and so much more! (8/27/26) Hear more of today's show on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/c/ELRShow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just don't call in a podcast. The Ebro-Lora Rosenberg Show. Yeah, back Thursday morning. Thank you for joining our program continuously in supporting Ebro-Laure Rosenberg. Yesterday was emotional. Obviously, we covered Dolly Parton. Yo, man, the continued outpouring in support of, you know,
Starting point is 00:00:29 Dolly Parton in her career. it's emotional it is because I had no expectation I had no expectation I would be that emotional about I know yeah and then this stuff continued yesterday
Starting point is 00:00:42 the clips just people just keep pouring out the stuff well you saw John Battis sitting at the piano did you ever see that no doing that is a piano rendition of I was always love you
Starting point is 00:00:53 no amazing I mean he's amazing just as a talent and somebody actually would call a friend I've interviewed him and I talked to him privately, but seeing him do it in his own way, and it felt very improvisational, which he has
Starting point is 00:01:08 the ability to, he's like an agent. He's a genius, bro. He could just sit out on piano or any keyboard instrument and just go. But I saw a clip of her on Pee Wee's Playhouse. Yeah. Just like all this, just more and more content of her moving around. Well, it reminds us, hopefully it reminds a lot of people and gives hope. in humanity, right?
Starting point is 00:01:32 Like this individual who was 80 years old from a time that many of us would look back on and remember of all of the, you know, the bad things taking place 80 years ago in this country. Here's this woman from a, you know, a scene that is mired by, you know, a negative history tied to the South and, you know, kind of not allowing black artists to even have success in the industry, what Beyonce went through. and you have this kind of the icon of the entire thing is not that way at all. Well, it's also weird because when you think about a lot of the people, a lot of the biggest people in the genre are not that way at all.
Starting point is 00:02:11 That's right. When you really look back at, I mean, Willie Nelson, all the way up to Tim McGraw, right? They're all these people who are at the highest level do understand what it's about. Where's Garth Brooks at? Oh, I think, oh, right side of history. Yeah. Garth's right side of history.
Starting point is 00:02:27 I don't know where Johnny Cash was like. Although all the way of the way he was always Supporting people in prison Carcerated and yeah Yeah I mean I don't know if he was you know I wouldn't expect that he would be in an LGBT Rally But um
Starting point is 00:02:42 The chicks The chicks of course the chicks By the way I gotta see the chicks are coming to the beach Well and more recently uh Rassan I don't Real quick I know we have Tizzy E&T You may know from Instagram about to come on the program But before we go to him I wanted to show this yesterday
Starting point is 00:02:56 Uh they say the Maga movement is mad at Casey Musgraves. What are Casey Musgraves do? Well, we have a clip. Can you go to clip 40, Rassad? There is a nonprofit here, and it's called The Young Center. It's a the Youngcenter.org and it's a wonderful organization
Starting point is 00:03:15 and they help give aid, legal aid, and money to children whose parents have been deported unfairly. So at our concert, at our live performance in front of once again, that scene that's It's notoriously tied to, you know, being mean to marginalized groups.
Starting point is 00:04:07 You have a big artist like Casey Musgrave, you know, speaking out. So there are definitely people. There's a lot of people like that, man. Now, over to Tizzy. Tizzy. Now, Tizzy E&T is what we've been calling you. I don't know if that's how you are referred to in real life, Tizzy. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:04:24 How are you? Good morning. Thanks for having me. I'm good. Some people, a lot of people just call me Tizzy. Okay. Tizzy E&T is short for Tizzy Entertainment. That's right.
Starting point is 00:04:33 This is not a name that I picked planning to do all this. This is like a production company name. So if I known I was going to do all this other stuff, I probably would have been a little more clever. But here we are. And we're going to roll with it. So I began following you on Instagram. I've never been a big TikToker,
Starting point is 00:04:50 but I began following you on Instagram because you would either be sent or find videos of individuals doing hateful acts, mean acts committing crimes and implore the you know uh your following and uh i guess yeah social media to give you information so that you can uh expose who these individuals are am i framing that correctly yeah i said it's an accurate uh framing of it you know i think i like a lot of people see these things people acting horribly and we often just kind of go like who is this why do they think this is okay and i was just someone who wanted to answer that question um and as a
Starting point is 00:05:29 a result or maybe as an indicator that I'm not the only one, that's what the following that I have is. You know, I can't do anything myself. I'm one person. I'm one signature on a petition, I'm one donation. I'm just one person. But when you have a community of people, the internet becomes one giant small town. And you can't get away with anything in a small town. So we just kind of treat it that way. And yeah, we've been pretty successful. And I'm happy about that. Well, now, fast forward here recently, I saw you post about the fact that your whole profile, had been yanked off TikTok, which prompted us to reach out to you because I wanted to talk to you. I've been personally just following the story arc ever since TikTok is now its algorithm and
Starting point is 00:06:12 basically the U.S. base operations are under control of basically the Ellison family. And, you know, that was kind of a forced transition. And so now I see tons of creators saying, hey, the content that they're making is either A, not being allowed to be seen the same way it was, or B, they've been yanked off TikTok, you know, completely. And most of your content was positive in trying to find solutions. So I was like, I need to talk to him and see what he thinks or what he found out, why he was yanked off TikTok.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Yeah, I appreciate that. I'll say this to give people kind of perspective. I joined TikTok in 2018. From 2018 up until about six months ago, I'd been banned twice, which, I mean, bans do happen on the platform. And, you know, you get reinstated. It's, you know, a mistake. It's whatever.
Starting point is 00:07:06 In the last six months, though, I've been banned four times. So there has definitely been a seismic shift. And then when you're talking about just things not registering or being seen the same, I got reinstated as of this last weekend. I was banned for more than a month, which is long as it's ever been. Finally got reinstated. I posted a video yesterday. I have 8.1 million followers on that platform.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I posted a video yesterday that now I think has been up about 14 hours and it has under 5,000 views. Wow. That is, that's, it doesn't seem mathematically possible. And yet here we are. I mean, I get 5,000 views in under a minute on Instagram. So let me ask you, which content did you post on TikTok that they had a problem with? I mean, I can say like whatever I got, you know, the community guideline violation that I was hit with at the time of my banning, right? Because I had been banned. I got reinstated. I was reinstated for barely 24 hours when I got banned again the last time.
Starting point is 00:08:10 The only violation I had in that 24 hour period was a video about the ice shooting that happened on the 13th of last month. That was the video I posted, and it was right when it had happened, and it was very much like information. I'm not someone who gets on and just goes, oh, you know, and makes a wild claim about what is responsible or who is responsible or who's at fault, especially when it's early on in something. We don't have a lot of information. So it literally was like, hey, you know, yes, there was a shooting this morning. It looks like someone has lost their life. Here's what we know right now. It was essentially a news item.
Starting point is 00:08:49 And you're not showing the actual violence. You're not seeing violence either. No. In fact, in fact, there was, in the footage that I used, it was, you know, a few clips from on scene. You could, because that you could kind of see that someone was on the ground, pixelated. Went ahead and did that, even though there wasn't any blood or anything like that, still took that extra measure just out of respect and so forth. And yet, got a community guideline violation on it, appealed it. That appeal was denied in 30 seconds, which means no one reviewed it.
Starting point is 00:09:20 it was set to automatically deny my appeal. And then within a minute of that, my account was banned, which means that was also set to trigger when the appeal was denied. So are you dealing with any of these type of strikes on Instagram, like with the meta platform? No. I mean, I've had stuff that I've had problems with on meta. And all the platforms have the things that they're kind of a little touchy about.
Starting point is 00:09:49 and you have to sort of navigate accordingly. A long time ago, one of the first things that I had get really popular was a video I made that was on the difference between white pride and black pride and the origins of those two things. And because that kind of blew up and a lot of people knew me from that, at one point on my Instagram I had in my description, yeah, I'm that white pride video guy. And then I kept getting my account suspended.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And finally someone in Meadow was like, oh, I know what's wrong is someone report something and then, you know, the algorithm looks or whatever and sees that and thinks you're promoting white pride. It doesn't understand. Right. So it's, it's flagging you.
Starting point is 00:10:29 The guy that was trying to articulate the difference. Yeah. They were like, my suggestion is you take that off of your bio. I took it off and, you know, knock on wood, I haven't had an issue since.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Well, and once again, this is kind of a personal thing that I'm on because I've continuously tried to tell people as much as we think, That's my page. That's my profile. You're just written.
Starting point is 00:10:54 You're being given space, right? And now that this TikTok thing has rolled over to a completely different set of hands under a completely different, you know, government that we're seeing do things that, you know, we would, as Americans think we're wrong. You know, now it's even more precarious, right? Because we also live in a time where we think that there's, it's. Everything's democratized, right? And there's no gatekeepers.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Meanwhile, even us having this conversation is going through someone else owns the platform, someone else owns the YouTube, someone else, you know what I mean? So all of these things are not being regulated by an elected government. They're privatized. And even the elected government is privatized currently. Right. Yeah. And I mean, there's an argument to be made that social media platforms,
Starting point is 00:11:49 are the new public square. Yeah. And so everyone should have a voice in the public square, but it doesn't change the fact that it is owned by corporations. That's right. And corporations are going to do
Starting point is 00:11:59 what corporations do. And, you know, whether that's the situation here or not, corporations can often feel the pressure of outside forces, like, say, for example, theoretically an administration that's like, hey, we don't like certain things.
Starting point is 00:12:13 You don't have to be theoretical on this, no, the administration is putting pressure on corporations to make sure that they shadow, throttle, stifle information from flowing,
Starting point is 00:12:26 especially about ice, especially about what's going on in the Middle East with Israel. These things are happening on purpose. Listen, all signs point to yes. So, you know, and I'm someone who's experiencing... My man's like a human eight ball.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Right. Yeah, exactly. And I'm someone, you know, I'm doing, I'm experiencing things that I've never experienced before and a bunch of other creators that I know are experiencing things. I mean, there's so many that I know who are continuing to be banned, specifically from TikTok.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Now, I do see the people complaining too. It's not just TikTok. There have been people I've seen who are complaining about getting shadow banned on meta and so forth. It happens. And it's something that, you know, if you do this long enough and if you're doing this in a way that you're monetizing or you're putting a lot of effort into it, you're going to learn that these things happen. and you sort of navigate it accordingly, but in my experience, normally,
Starting point is 00:13:20 I know where the line is, I know where to sort of like, don't bite the hand that feeds for lack of a better way of putting it. But yeah, it feels like the rules have changed in a way that it's just like, no, you can't talk about X, Y, and Z. And I'm like, no, that's not,
Starting point is 00:13:38 if you're trying to put those kind of limitations on me, that's not going to work. Like, I'm going to talk about what I feel is important and needs to be talked about. And I understand I have to, you know, keep within certain guidelines, but just you can't talk at all is that doesn't work. That's not acceptable. Well, and now you've gone on to land a show on Discovery, which I saw, which is another reason I wanted to give you some more space to promote that.
Starting point is 00:14:04 So individuals that may have not been seeing your content, because I'll be honest, I used to see you a lot on Instagram. I didn't, I don't see you as often anymore. And so when I saw that, I was like, hey, I really liked that. Sky, let's have him on so he can talk about his show. So tell us about your show. Appreciate that. Yeah, last night was the latest episode. I think we got four more coming. Wednesday nights at 10
Starting point is 00:14:26 on Discovery Channel. The show is titled How to Catch a Dirtbag. And as you alluded, one of the things that most people know me for is for helping identify people who have harmed other people, hate crimes, assaults, you name it. People who have, you know, we live in an age where we all have cameras.
Starting point is 00:14:45 on our phones, right? People record everything. There's ring cameras everywhere, I mean, flop cameras. We're under constant surveillance. So a lot of times when something awful happens to someone, they have gotten to a point where we have an instinct of pulling out our phone or getting it caught on video. But if, you know, you're assaulted by a stranger on the street and they take off and you go to police and you're like, look, here's the video of that person. And police are like, that's great, but I have no idea who that is. And it's not like we can just run a massive Scooby-Doo investigation into every single, you know, little thing that happens. So if you can find out who that is, you know, we're happy to pursue it kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And that's where myself and my following comes in because, like I said, the internet is one big, small town. So if you put something on the internet and enough eyeballs get on it, it doesn't matter if you did it in, you know, you were visiting Los Angeles and you committed a crime, but you live in Delaware, and you're like, ah, no one's going to know about that. Enough eyeballs. So you and that girl who used to babysit you is going to be like, that's Steve. And then she's going to tell me, she's going to tell me,
Starting point is 00:15:49 and then we're going to turn that over to the victims, and they're going to hopefully get justice. So that's what the show is based on is basically the cases that I have been fortunate enough to help bring some sort of conclusion to.
Starting point is 00:16:04 And yeah, I've been doing this for a minute, so I've seen a bunch of wild stuff, so it kind of lends itself to a television program well. There you go. Tizzy, E&T. So Wednesday nights, Discovery. Wednesday nights on Discovery at 10. And then when the season ends, we will be streaming on HBO Max.
Starting point is 00:16:25 I believe the full season will go up, if I understand correctly, September 24th. Also, if someone doesn't have Discovery, for some reason, the very first episode is on YouTube on Discovery's YouTube. You can watch the full first episode there. Thank you so much. Hey, Tizzy, thank you for your time and thank you for caring enough to do this work for people, man. I appreciate you, appreciate you helping boost that and get it out.
Starting point is 00:16:49 This is what it takes. It takes all of us, it's a village, right? It takes all of us speaking up and speaking out and using whatever platform we have to do that. So thank you. Thanks, man. Thanks a lot, Tizzy. Take care, man.
Starting point is 00:17:02 You know what that reminds you? Yeah. Did you see, did you guys see that there's a Chris Hanson movie coming out? Chris Hansen movie. Yeah, there's an 824 movie about, how to catch a predator. Really? Come out.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Actually, we should watch the trailer. Do you think we get away with an 824 trailer? I'm, it's just very interesting. I didn't expect Well, you got that, you got what Tizzy's doing, and the fact that Laura Stiles, I mean, she watches this all day long. I don't watch it all day long.
Starting point is 00:17:32 I just happen to like some of it. What, you mean criminals? And so does it. My worst neighbor, my worst ex. You're in? No, the worst neighbor and worst ex ever is just a reminder how scary the world is. Yeah, because these are real stories with real people, bro.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Wait, I don't know why you don't want to take ownership that this is your preferred content. Right now. That's all I'm saying. This is where you are right now. Yes. And four seasons. You know, that was a very loved show.
Starting point is 00:17:58 I loved it. I finished it all. I'm not crazy. She's the, what's the show she loves? Which one? Another crime show? No, the TV show. She loves it.
Starting point is 00:18:09 New York. Undercover. No, not New York. Oh, wait, Law and Order SVU? I mean, we all did. I never watch. I'm not a Law & Order. You never watch one episode of Law & Order SvU?
Starting point is 00:18:19 I've seen Law and Order. No, that is Svee. It's probably SVU. It's on the most, I think. Was Olivia Benson in it? Elliot Stapler? Oh, my God. Ice T was in the one I saw.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Yes, okay, so that's SVU. But that's not regular, is that different than regular Law & Order? Yes. Because there's crime and punishment, and what's the other one? Proving my point. That's all I'm saying. SvU is the one, though. I don't know why she gaslights you, though.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Because it has. Like, that's what I had to ask. Am I crazy? No, she's gaslighting. How many scenes? I don't do that. You do that. We all do it.
Starting point is 00:18:50 But that was a while ago. That was a while ago, though. I haven't, you know, all I'm saying is, is you've, okay, so you've moved on from law and order to other things that are about crime. Crime and law and order. Yes. Louis, I was going to say, just law and order by itself has seven different shows.
Starting point is 00:19:10 within its brand. That are still on? Yeah. Law and order, law and order special victims unit. That's me. One order criminal intent. Law and order trial jury,
Starting point is 00:19:20 LA, true crime, and organized crime. No, I know. They never know all this. They're not also going on. Yeah, well, no wonder there takes so much parking in my neighborhood. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Law and order takes over the whole three months. How often. They shoot all over the city, so you'll see. They, they're my neighborhood. I mean, I basically assume when I see a block is shut down for parking that it's it's long order it's a lot
Starting point is 00:19:44 maybe that's why you know I just thought you know remember um Kevin Ortega Rojas showed us the map of where the flock cameras are yeah maybe that's why they're not on the upper west side they're not on the upper west side because they don't want them to get early you know access to law and order content I do have a lot a lot of episodes up there bro Riverside Park there's a lot you know me
Starting point is 00:20:06 Laura you got rundown today right um I I do I do, I do. There's a couple of things here. We miss this that we didn't get to. All right. Well, you guys want to get it cracking right now? Wow.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Okay, let's do it. Turn that up. Screen's on glow when she pulls up. Headlines heavy, but we still cut up. Life still flashing. We don't slow up. Well, a couple of things. Kanye West's Russian concert gets canceled.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Uh-oh. It was supposed to take place at the gas prom arena, which holds 80,000 people. And according to Billboard, the arena made it crystal clear that the shows are not. actually happening on Instagram they're like there is new such agreement according to the venue and the concert cannot take place on our site so another concert that's canceled so now what's interesting is interesting um where's that go for it interesting um I remember Laura you reported on a story about a San Antonio Kanye West concert yeah and it wasn't happening and then it happened I'd like a Maya oh no to celebrate
Starting point is 00:21:09 this also. Wait, you said Kanye's shows canceled? Yeah, Maya, Kanye West, done. Oh, no. Wait, how many, more? Oh, no. Oh, boy. Man. So, but then it happened. So, and then other shows have happened. Yeah. In the United States,
Starting point is 00:21:27 there's supposed to be like a coming home Kanye West in Chicago show. And his fan base, um, what does Kanye's fan base have like a name, like the Yeezy Yites? A douchebags. Or the Yeats. The Yates.
Starting point is 00:21:39 No, the Yeasters. Oh my God. Well, the Yasters always attacked me on social because we covered the story of the San Antonio show. They were mad about that? Well, because then it did happen. People went to the show and they were like, see, you don't know what the F you're talking about. Well, Yasters. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Yeah, no. In other news, Peacock is releasing a Wendy Williams documentary that she did not okay. It's a three-part documentary titled Clap If You Care, the Wendy Williams Show, just detailing her life. And it's coming to Peacock in 2027. Wendy, but they're saying that Wendy Williams is allegedly blindsided by the project and had no involvement in it. Wendy Williams is like the, it's like the antithesis is celebrating Dolly Gordon.
Starting point is 00:22:26 I mean, respectful. And people get mad like, you know, people like Wendy, bro. Yeah, I know. And like when Jason Lee sat up here being like, and you have to respect the, I'm like, I don't have to.
Starting point is 00:22:37 I never did. And I feel, I feel bad for her life situation. over the last several years for sure. But as a professional, I don't admire her in the least bit. She was captivating. People liked her. And while it wouldn't be something I would do,
Starting point is 00:22:54 she was good at the thing that she did, which a lot of people didn't like. However, under the guise of this, something that hasn't been approved by the individual being released on media, it's kind of what Wendy Williams asked. Oh, it's, it's the ultimate case of, what you sew. Like how often were...
Starting point is 00:23:14 Kind of like a methadman's wife didn't approve her medical information going out to the world. Like you talk about a story I'm not gonna feel bad about. Right. It's people doing things
Starting point is 00:23:22 that Wendy's not interested in having out there. I'm sorry, that was literally what your entire life was. How can I get dirt and get a scoop and then put it out there when people get upset about it?
Starting point is 00:23:31 You're like, ah, sorry, cry about it. Yeah, you're a celebrity. We have a right. And that's always been weird to me. You're a celebrity. We have a right to know. You're a rapper. You make art.
Starting point is 00:23:41 So we're a writer. We should be able to talk about your family's secrets. Like, what? Or just personal and not even a secret. It's just a personal. I just hate how as time goes on, if someone does really well. I guess winners tell the history, right? But like, as time goes on, if someone did really well, this whole, like, you have to respect it thing is just always.
Starting point is 00:24:02 That goes back to what we were talking about yesterday. Money is winning. Money is winning. You got to respect it. That line of you got to respect it. I've never, I'm like, I respect. Things that are worthy of respect. Well, no, how about this?
Starting point is 00:24:14 No, I don't. No, I don't. I don't have to respect it. I actually respect the person I've never heard of in my life who's on some 10-watt station in Oakland, but does a great job doing news and does tell the truth and help their community. That's right. I respect that. I respect it.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Why? I have to respect the chase for exorbitant amounts of money and fame. No, you don't. Treating people badly along the way. I know. I don't. Sorry. Yes, King Luke.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Well, I was going to say, and the Volcinscha could be good on this one. Speaking of Bolgenechia, with Wendy Williams, because it is actually being done by her former executive producer of her show. Who was there for 13 seasons. Oh, well, now this is absolutely you reap what you sow. You sowed this soil. This is from your soil. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:03 You groomed this. Grew this, groomed this, hatched this. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. In other news, we missed this, but jelly roll decided to roast Trump. He jelly trolled him. On Kimmel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Can we show this? Here's a video. Oh, we're allowed to show it? It's going to get you taken down, but yeah. Should we not? Did you send it? Who sent it? Is it even in there?
Starting point is 00:25:29 And what made you think we had a video? Because it says video. Well, yeah, but that page doesn't necessarily jump to the other page, Laura. Is there a number? Oh, there's no. A number? Nice trial. No, no.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Oh, I watched the clip. I can describe it. you if you want well just so for the audience if it done on this show inside baseball uh we have two sheets we have a griff prep sheet of stuff and then we have a sheet of videos that have numbers which is often why you hear us call out numbers right well laura saw a prep sheet that said video but it didn't have a number yeah yeah yes yes sorry it said video and i went with it so it was two days it was a couple of days it was a couple of days or let me hit laura with you guys assuming both hands are communicating congratulations you played yourself a couple of days ago jelly roll he's been hosting the whole week
Starting point is 00:26:09 for Kimball and a couple of days ago he did the thing about Trump's weight that apparently Trump had an appointment his weight is up and he basically just said something like well listen let me tell you right now as a fellow fat pig that's what people were sort of leaning into was that he was like as a fellow fat pig you gotta you know I didn't see the whole joke but it was like you gotta take a look and I gotta tell you seeing your penis again is really fantastic
Starting point is 00:26:32 mine's cute I didn't even remember something like it's just a it's just a fat joke listen I really like jelly roll and I think he's a nice guy and talented guy And I'm happy for where his career went, and I like some of his records. As it comes to this political topic, I still think he's a coward. So there's that.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Right. Like if you're not going to step in all the way in. Well, no. I just, when you had an opportunity to say you didn't, you disliked a thing. You fell all the way out on it because you are worried about your audience and your, you know, reach more than you were worried about,
Starting point is 00:27:04 you know, saying, you know, dictating something right and wrong. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people in that, area that it's not about them being like moral or immoral. It's about their level of bravery they want to have on these subjects. Because I know personally of some people in that world who are considered like maga friendly that they're not. They're privately not really
Starting point is 00:27:25 maga friendly but they don't want to take the risk. Yeah they feel like they can't, they can't handle the heat. They can't, you know, financially. And again, and again back to Dolly. Dolly showed you that you could get up there. Be quare. questioned on a subject and without maligning people, you could clearly express how you feel. That's right. Correct.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Right? Like you can get up and say, I am against deporting people in this way, treating people inhumanely, treating children this way. America is a country of immigrants. There are so many things you can say that are not an attack on the Trump's people specifically.
Starting point is 00:28:02 But you can make clear how you feel if you want to. It just requires a little bit more eloquence and bravery. No, it's a little bit more. Listen, for some people, and, you know, look, we could all sit in our situations and say what we would do. You know what I mean? But until you are in that situation, you don't really know what you would do. Well, I know. And I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:28:22 And if you look back in history, you're like, yo, if I lived during that time, you know what I would have done if? Whatever you think you would have done, you're doing right now. That's great. I mean, pretty much. Even with our show. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're doing it right now. Go ahead, Lauren.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I said, even with our show. you know like when we were on the air we were one of the very few shows who actually talked about politics like if you go to other states Los Angeles you think any of those shows are touching it as hard as we are and do they still have jobs
Starting point is 00:28:50 at those stations? Probably or those stations still went downhill regardless and they were fired anyway that was something that really annoyed me in the last week on if you guys saw it you probably didn't because you don't like to go peruse the comments but in the afternoons I'm like what I have the show do today let's take a look
Starting point is 00:29:04 yo people were on me about our Stephen in a discussion from last week where you were expressing your feelings on the NABJ thing. Yeah. And I tried to be sort of a what's the word I'm looking for? Like
Starting point is 00:29:20 but not Springboard. What's the you're bouncing something off? I was being a bored. Sure, springboard. I don't know. Okay. That's not the word. But I was just here. Sound board? Sound board. My friend has a thing he's passionate about. Uh-huh. I'm double compromised on the subject. I'm a
Starting point is 00:29:38 white man who's going to really break down and analyze whether a black man's handling of a black group type it's not a place for me to really weigh in i have learned my spots over the years number one and number two everybody knows i also have a working relationship with stephen a and all those and a friendship to some degree and you work for disney and i work for dizzling and he's one of their biggest assets so in the comments people are coming Rosenberg tap dancing i thought i was being very obvious i'm laying out on this. I don't speak up on my feelings enough for y'all to know how I feel. Listen, bro. I need to entertain you.
Starting point is 00:30:17 You're supposed to do the dance, bro. Own it. They're just, they're just poking and prodding and he just want to get at you. Your response should have been like, play the music because I had my shoes on. Why? Because it, listen, we're living in a time, right? We all have to pick our spots where we have to dance. You got to pick your spots where you got to dance. But here's the part that's, that's, you're right. Just own it, bro. The easiest way to- No, but some of them, Ebro,
Starting point is 00:30:43 it's not just like you were dancing. I'm fine with that. Play the music, right, dancing, cool. Some of them were like, some of the comments are, no, I really learned a lot about Rosenberg. I know. 19 years.
Starting point is 00:30:57 And that conversation is when you learned. There are so many people. No, no, no, what's wrong with you? Why are you listening to them? Well, you're, who is that? Who is that? And with all the positive... Eggie McAumlin?
Starting point is 00:31:12 Like what? They probably don't even listen to our show. And it shows... No, no. I disagree. Laura, I hear what you're saying. Do me a favor. The next...
Starting point is 00:31:20 No, no, no. The next negative person that really strikes the poor with you. I want you to follow. Follow them. Follow them. Well, it's YouTube, so I can't follow them, but... Well, all right, take note of their name.
Starting point is 00:31:30 King of a Greek dream. We'll take a legend. I want to see if they come back over and over. Are they somebody who most of the time left positive of comments and this one time this thing sent him over the edge? Or are they somebody that never fucking liked you anyway? You're probably right.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And shout out to our thoughts who were responding going, wait a second. Y'all Rosenberg talks every day about a million things yet you want him to risk it all for a topic to entertain you that morning? Yeah, they go. Like what do you? Ebro wasn't saying enough.
Starting point is 00:32:02 You needed me to jump in. But they acted like I was really being devil's advocate. Yo, my friends, I'm throwing things back at them to let the conversation continue. Well, look, and most of the time, I'll be honest, we do, I think, a disservice when there's an individual on the panel here or on the show here at the table, however you want to look at it, who has a take. And we don't allow that person's take to be the take. Like sometimes, Laura, I'll have a thing, you'll have a thing, I'll have a thing, and we'll go and back that person up when really we should have just been like, boom, done, right? So sometimes. Well, no, I am considering the thing
Starting point is 00:32:36 because a lot of it is the seating arrangement we have, you guys both look at me the most. That's the way we're seated. It's awkward for y'all to stare each other eye to eye. I mean, we do. No, some, but for most part. But you feel like we're in close proximity, so it gets a little romantic.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Oh, God, no. I'm just telling you, but watch the show. You give me reckless over there? But if you go watch our show, you'll see. You both generally address me a lot. Okay. So you also talk a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:03 That too. No, but you're, but you're, Ebro is talking to me. Yeah. And I'm like, so I'm looking. So I'm going to start with when it's no longer a thing I want to speak. I'm just starting being like this. You start looking at it.
Starting point is 00:33:15 And I think, I think, Rassan, I need to have you put up a graphic a little thing that's like, Rosenberg has no take or Rosenberg's dancing. I'll just be, I'll just look off into the distance. Rosenberg drifts. No way. Sounds interesting what you're saying. No, just put a bed up and put his head like on a pillow and say Rosenberg lays out. Yeah, Rosembourg lays out.
Starting point is 00:33:33 Sounds NABJ, you say. Sounds interesting. Interesting. Now, how did you miss this one yesterday, Laura? Which one? The, the, uh, Nause and Hip Boy thing. Oh, it was kind of crazy. Is that a thing?
Starting point is 00:33:50 I didn't hear it and I'll be honest. I saw it and ignored. Well, you saw Vlad, so you immediately said, what is this? Boom. Saw Vlad ignore. Uh, saw Hit Boy and Nas and we haven't, sorry, Laura, I'm taking a whole story here. We haven't talked in.
Starting point is 00:34:03 three years. I can't, my brain won't absorb that there's a problem between hit boy and not. He said it's deep though. I think he's like, Louis, what were the details, Louis? There is an issue. It's deeper, something he didn't want to get into during that conversation, but he says it's deeper than just like some music shit. Yeah, my brain still won't.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Six albums? My brain won't absorb this as a public discussion. But it is interesting, though? Yeah, it is. Let them work it out. That's where I. What are y'all doing? Come on.
Starting point is 00:34:35 They'll work it out. I'm not, I don't want to be involved. I don't think that, look, we've got great music from the both of you. We love both of y'all. I don't want to be involved.
Starting point is 00:34:42 For some reason, I just don't want to be involved in the hit boy, Nas have a problem thing. And like, well, Nas and a problem, I can't recall anything like that since Jay Z, bro.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Well, and by the way, not only that, Nas in the last, I don't know, decade has done nothing but positive work. And like sort of facilitate hip-hop. So let's not.
Starting point is 00:35:03 And once again, This was on Vlad's platform. They're looking for a thing. They're fishing for a thing. But congrats going out to Vlad because I saw he set it up. He brought Elliot in and he sat on camera. It was like seeing someone coming out of hiding to see him actually sitting in the inner. Oh, wait.
Starting point is 00:35:19 So Vlad and Elliot sat down together. Together with. But instead of it looking like a crime video where the person's talking, there's just a voice in the distance. Like, hey, would you say that you would not as a problem? He was sitting on camera now. Where the drums still there? the drums. You never noticed a drum.
Starting point is 00:35:35 There was always a drum kit in the back and nobody played. And I was always like, oh, why is there a drum kit in the bag? Okay. All right. Y'all never noticed a drum kit. It always hit me. Like, why is there a drum kit back there?
Starting point is 00:35:47 Did they do live performances on the step? Just Vlad get on there and hit a little one? No, I was, well, because for, so I, jokingly, I always wonder why there was a drum kit because it's a hip. People do this thing where they try to make things hip hop or or make it music by putting like, Not only that's what it was, I think it's just a studio and it's where he had space.
Starting point is 00:36:06 They couldn't get another. They couldn't take the drum kit down. They couldn't move it. They couldn't angle. No, no, stop it. They're making money. It's been mad years. They liked it.
Starting point is 00:36:13 They looked cool. It's been so long. Why is the drum kit always there? Is the drum kit always there? Am I bugging? Yeah, no, you're not bugging at all. It's in the back. I don't watch a lot of the set at this point.
Starting point is 00:36:23 It's part of it. And I've never watched the full thing. I just would see the still, the person's photo and a drum kit over their shoulder. And I'll be like, yo, are they about to do a freestyle? Yeah, you just see a random thing like Spider-Loke says. Look, there's a drum kit. All right. It's still there?
Starting point is 00:36:40 It was right here. Yo, the drum kit is there. Yo, Vlad, somebody got to play the drums on at least one episode. Has anybody ever played the drums on Vlad? You know, not that I've seen. Do you see Mark Lamont Hill interviewed Vlad the other day? No. So I hit him.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I said, I hit Mark when I saw that this, when I, look, For some reason, I guess Vlad stuff gets fed to me. Yeah, because you're obsessed. I don't think that's true. I don't follow him. The algorithm knows to show me things that irritate me. Well, no, you like hip-hop. You are engaged with hip-hop things.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And I think if you're, I'm sure Vlad does some digital marketing. So if you like hip-hop, you're going to see this stuff. So he put, there was a post that was like, I sat down with Mark Lamont Hill. Didn't see that coming. Because, you know, they've gotten into it over a few things over the years. And so I hit Mark and I said, I said, listen, I'm going to let this one go. I'm going to give you a pass.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I'm going to give you a pass on this one. You're going to give you a pass. We always are chatting, right? I was like, I'm going to give you a pass on this one because Vlad's many things, but he's not like a white supremacist. So like, you know, we had Jason Lee. I get it. You know what I'm saying? Like there's different, never have it been him and Candace Owens or him in talking to Ryan.
Starting point is 00:37:54 It shouldn't happen. Candice and Mark have actually done something. I feel like they have. They have. They have. And Mark's like, Mark, you know, we're joking around. and he goes, by the way, you came up. I'm sure not surprised, but you came up.
Starting point is 00:38:08 I just wanted to let you know. I said, let me guess. I'm a coward who, when I ran into him, I apologized and then later went back on to say bad things about him. He said, oh, perfect. I don't even have to tell you what's it. I said, I know his whole made-up spiel that he tells about me every time. That is the reason I'm a bad, I'm a fraud,
Starting point is 00:38:30 is because at one point I dissed him, ran into him and I was like, you know what, I'm sorry. And then later on, was reminded of the things I didn't like and say, you know what? I don't like it. It's bad that I have no issue with it. I don't know if that's as much a coward or a flip-flopper
Starting point is 00:38:44 because now- It's only flip-flop. Well, now when you run into him, what happens? If, if when now, that's got to be the determining factor. If, well, listen, I clearly I'm not going to attempt to fist fight, Vlad. I'm also not going to apologize. I would go,
Starting point is 00:38:59 Oh, yeah, it's flat. You're gonna say this time I'm standing on business. I just remembered why I don't like you. Well, I, there's no need. My assumption is, first of all, I don't ever see Vlad. Like, you know, you're gonna see him now? Yeah, maybe I will. And he might do you like the, they did the two lawyers kissing in the park.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Might just be streaming live. Yeah, yeah. No, listen, I, I don't think I, you know, that inclination I feel to just stick out my hand and shake a hand? I don't think I'd feel that with Vlad. I think you'd be closer to the academics. I'd be like, all right, I'm good, brunt. But like the story he's telling about me bumping into him being like, oh, that wasn't cool.
Starting point is 00:39:36 It's literally, that's 15 years ago. It's a long, long time ago. Like, why is it quote unquote pussy that when he came up to me, he didn't come up to me violently. He just came up to me. He was like, hey, man, what's the deal? And I was like, ah, man, I'm sorry. You know, it wasn't cool.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I went far. And then later on saw that you did other douchey things I really didn't like and called them out again. Like I'm trying to figure out what the moral dilemma is there. I did. That's bad. Is there a world where you don't like, and this is for all of us, where I don't really know you personally, okay?
Starting point is 00:40:12 I don't know you. I don't know you. I only know you through work. And I don't like your work. And I have commentary on your work. But it, I mean, you might take it personal because you care a lot about personally, care about the work you're doing. Sure.
Starting point is 00:40:29 but I don't like your work and I don't know you personally. Can those things be different? And when I see you, I can be like, hey, what's up, bro? Say hi, be cordial. Most people. Most people will just take it as, you basically gave me the middle finger. You don't mess with me. Like, they're never going to separate. Listen, I'm just asking.
Starting point is 00:40:46 It's a very, but it's like at this age in my life. And Vlad has said really, you know, I think he said at this point, gone much further in his lack of kindness towards me than I ever did towards him. We'll have to hear from him about that. With his interpretation of what you did, Mike. Was really bad. I just at this stage in my life, I'm not able to retain hate in the same way. Like even academics went really personal, like talking about really family issues.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Like, I still don't have enough to be like, I'm rooting for your downfall. Like, I don't. I'm not trying to say I'm some great mensch. I just don't have the capacity. need to hold on to it. That's okay. I don't hate Charlemagne. It just means you truly,
Starting point is 00:41:34 you don't really care that much. You're a Charlemagne technique, based on everybody else you mentioned, I haven't been through that much. No, no, me, well,
Starting point is 00:41:40 no, not only that, me and Charlemagne, as opposed to me in academics or me and Vlad, me and Charleston have had multiple hangouts in person where like we talk for an extended period of time in person.
Starting point is 00:41:51 So that's not even a, that to me isn't even, I don't know what he's, what he would be like about it, but I don't have any, Like he makes moves at times that I go, what the f are you doing? That's terrible. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:42:05 But like, again, to hold on to that and have it translated. Well, I'm sure it's vice versa. And I'm sure that's vice versa. But again, my line is really, are you aligning with evil and white supremacy? Right. And that's, you know, that's where at gets to be a funky one because he's going down to Mar-a-Lago and he's working with the kicks. And he is getting very close.
Starting point is 00:42:27 in addition to all of the things that Vic Mensa called him a bitch about all those years ago. Right. You combine all that stuff. I just don't like the sort of work Vlad does around hip hop, so much of it relating to crime and who did what. I just don't think it's for the culture. I just don't think it's good.
Starting point is 00:42:44 I think it's nasty work. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I just don't know. So. Well, thanks for sharing, man. I'm glad we're going to be. I appreciate you guys allowing me to share. No, that's here.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Apparently there was something there and it needed to come out. And now we're going to, audience along with us are going to watch all this plays up you know what I'm saying maybe you and vlad crossed you ever see Vlad I've seen him and I'm always like oh what's it bro you have seen you have seen him yeah you ever see him but I don't know if it's recent I can't remember the last time it was like I don't have a listen he's got bigger fight fish to fry than roseberg now he's going after norie he's going after shack why is it norrie oh yeah he went after norie why he's not happy with them they have they don't do his platform is this all algal hustle stuff because because clearly
Starting point is 00:43:25 we're promoting right now so I know I know I don't I know. Keep going on. Is that all this is? Because him and Elliot together and who did they sit down with? Hit Boy. Hit boy. And talking about Nas, you know. It's a lot of alcohol.
Starting point is 00:43:37 That's moving. I don't move with those names. I wonder why Vlad and Elliot wasn't the collab I pictured. I guess it doesn't not make. They're from like the same generation of. Well, look, Elliot's a great hip-hop journalist. So, I mean, no matter what you feel about Elliot Wilson throughout the years, he's definitely done work in the game.
Starting point is 00:43:53 For sure. Credible and continues to try to do that. So maybe Vlad had space for him to, you know, keep doing his thing. And it's a big platform. Huge platform, right? On a positive note. Let's see Jack White Payne tribute to Dolly Parton. Can we see if we like this?
Starting point is 00:44:07 Absolutely. Oh. Your beauty is beyond compare. We're flaming lungs of all of every skin. Nause of them are green. Your breath is like a press of string. It wasn't solved like summer race. And I cannot compete with you, Jolene.
Starting point is 00:44:38 easily understand how you could easily take my mind but you don't know what it means to me jolline i was thinking about jolline this week child to jack white this one that was the night she passed that's dope that's dope uh i was i was thinking about jolline and just like how different bianzzi's version is if you go back and listen to dolly's version of jolline and biance's version of jolline it is literally a completely Yep. Interpret different interpretation of the same song. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:12 It's just interesting to think about. Like, Beyonce is one that's meant for empowering. Mm-hmm. And like, F-no, mess around, heifer, get your ass kicked. Right, right, right. And Dolly's is a... Please not. The most vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Please, please, please. You know, don't. Don't take my man. Dollies is the realistic... Dollies is the real version, and Beyonce's is the what people would like to believe of themselves. I was actually going to say the same way.
Starting point is 00:45:40 I was going to say, well, similar, but I was going to say Dolly's version is the honest. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. It's the real honest fear. Beyonce's version is what people show on the outside
Starting point is 00:45:51 when confronted with many of these situations. That's a better way of putting it. You're very good at this stuff. You know what I mean? It's the front that people put on. Laura, you disagree? Um, I look at it at the opposite. Do you think Beyonce is the real version?
Starting point is 00:46:06 Yes. Like, bitch, I'm a, blah. Like most people don't operate that way. Yeah, but I think, I mean, what I Ebro says makes sense. It's just the anger that you feel. But deep down, I guess. Deep down, you're afraid that someone's going to take something that you love. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:17 So I lead more on the anger because when I listen to a dolly's version of Jolene, it makes me mad sometimes. Like, oh, bitch. No. I know what I mean? But that's exactly. Don't, don't allow this. But she can't. That's the thing about light.
Starting point is 00:46:29 And by the way, you could reverse this and it could be a man saying it to a woman. Yeah. It's the fact of the matter is she's saying in Jolene, she's, like you're perfect. You're so hot. I can't compete. You've got all the things. But like this is what I have. Do not. You could have anyone. Please just move on to something else. Please. Because I know I can't compete with this. I think when people are in a real life like serious affair situation, that kind of is what's going on. But how about this? That's what people feel, you know, if you are a man or a woman and you're
Starting point is 00:47:05 walking around with a person that you know is attractive or other people really like them. That while your defense, that's why I said it the way I said it. Your defense is, y'all don't fuck with my shit. It's my shit. That is based in a fear that they could fuck with your shit. Right. But if they did. Because you wouldn't even have that.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Don't fuck with my shit. If you didn't think they could fuck with your shit. But you think they could. So you have the don't. Please. Go ahead and don't. Please. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Because this is mine. And I really like that. Right, right. And really it's, right. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I said to it. But I think that's why the songs. But I got annoyed because Jeffrey Wright,
Starting point is 00:47:43 who's an actor who I'm a big fan of, he put up a post about Dolly. And in the post, he's like, he talks about Jolene. It was a performance of Jolene done by like Allison Krause. Someone else was covering.
Starting point is 00:47:57 And he said a few years ago, someone did a version of Jolene and basically it was like not. He just kind of just, he just kind of crushed Beyonce's interpretation of it. And I was like, I think covers, to me, yes, it totally connotes a different part of it. But to me, that's what a cover can be. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:13 A cover can be a completely heads up exactly on cover, which is more like her Blackbird cover, which was just basically doing the song, but she added different voices to it. Or an interpretation. Or you can do an interpretation where you go, I'm flipping it into meaning something else. I think that's the cool part of what a cover is. But I think maybe he's tapping into what we're talking about, which is he didn't. and he liked the more vulnerable, honest version. And Beyonce's was more of an affront to who we want to be in those situations.
Starting point is 00:48:46 And I get that. You have the right to say like, I changed the part that I like about it. Which is this fear. Which is the vulnerable, sad, vulnerable part, which is kind of what makes the song really unique. I get it. But I just think that's what makes it. Now, remember, Beyonce comes to that song from a place of, the whole world
Starting point is 00:49:06 knows she was cheated on by her husband. Right. She lived Jolene to some extent. Like we know she has songs about it on lemonade. I mean, yeah, Becky with the good hair. So like she's done it. So it's important, I think, to everything's, you know Beyonce has that in her mind. Nothing is
Starting point is 00:49:23 happenstance with her. When she hits the song, she's like, well, I'm not going to do it the same way I would have done it on lemonade. I'm doing it now these years later. And I can't help. I don't know if you guys It was just yesterday. Why does it feel so far away? The story I told about her talking about her mom. We never got that video in, did we?
Starting point is 00:49:40 The Dolly Parton thing I sent over? No. Even though I'm accentuated to get in the chat. The story of her talking about my mom, all my mom had was kids. Okay? Literally, that's her only possession were her children. They were that poor, right?
Starting point is 00:50:01 And then thinking about the story of the lyrics in Jolene And thinking about the story you told Rosenberg about Dolly talking about the way she dresses And the woman in the town That her mom said was the Trash whore trash whore But Dolly looked at her and was like, yo, I want to dress like that one day Like she looks good
Starting point is 00:50:23 Is that the origin story of Jolene Where her mom hated the woman And was like worried that all she had had in her possession was these kids because they were so poor and dolly saw her mom who was like had and they lived in small town wherever and her mom was like this kind of started having kids at 15 i don't know but was the husband in the picture with the was dolly's dad in the picture she talks about her mom and dad dad i don't know to what degree but she definitely is taught i've seen her talk about mom and dad and dad and matter of fact in the photos of this piece she shows pictures of mom and dad and
Starting point is 00:50:55 kids. Okay. So anyway, I just think about that pain of a, of a person who is really like all they have is their family. Right. Right. All they have, that's all that's near and dear to them as far as, you know, possessions or whatever and the threat of someone breaking that apart.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Another thing that was interesting, the Barbara Walters interview where she kept coming at her question after question after question. One was about her husband. She was like, where is this husband that you speak of that nobody's, I mean, we've been looking around. We don't see him. Does he even exist? Shut up, Jolene.
Starting point is 00:51:31 A little bitch. Does he exist? No, I swear to God, the tone is so crazy. And Dolly, in describing there, she's like, our marriage is the best because we have, we have freedom. So we have, we have freedom. She was like, I don't need to spend every night
Starting point is 00:51:49 worrying about him and he doesn't spend every night worrying about me. Because Barbara's like, why be in a marriage if you're going to be gone 90% of the time. And she was like, because I love like our foundation that we have. And then we live, and it's, and it's, so there's a couple things that are interesting. Number one, Barbara just being judgmental and nasty.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Number two, Pdali always kind of wanted to keep her husband somewhat private, but you knew she was married and she would talk about him. But like there's not pictures everywhere and stuff like that. And number three, it sounds like they had their own interpretation of what marriage was. Yeah. Potentially. That's what it sounds. That's what it sounds very. She's like I could spend every night worrying about whether he's with someone else, but like I don't.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah, and we don't know what it is. You know what I mean? No, it sounds like something though, Laura. I just want to be clear. Well, you think it was like an open marriage? That's what it sounds like. I mean, but we don't know. Maybe they're just happy with each other's lifestyle and they were okay. Do you want to believe that? No, I just watched the interview clip. I mean, she's saying. She's saying I'm outside and I'm living my life and I don't ask what he does when he's doing his thing. We do our thing to beautiful marriage. I'm asking do you want to believe that because clearly, I'm just saying I'm out. I'm asking do you want to believe that because clearly. I'm, Clearly she left enough space for us to believe that. Yeah. If that's what you want to believe. It's not even about wanting to. It's just like in listening to someone who's emphasizing the number one thing that makes our marriage special is freedom. That word choice to me seems impactful.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Yeah. Like it's, you know. And it's also interesting to think about that in terms of all the other things we discussed about taking someone and doing those things. They never had a breakup rumor. There was never. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:23 And they, you know, and then she died. year after he died. I know. So close. Was that her only marriage? Yeah. Carl. Carl Dean.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Yeah. Yeah. That was her only marriage. As far as I know. Interesting. I mean, it's over 50 years. Dolly Parton was married to Carl Thomas Dean and there is a wedding photo. What's the,
Starting point is 00:53:45 what's the wedding day? Nearly six decades from 1966 until his death in 2025. Wow. They met outside a Nashville laundromat in 19, 1964. Dolly was 18, Carl was 21. Oh, they got together young. There might be another element to the freedom part of the whole thing too,
Starting point is 00:54:06 which is you marry Dolly Pardon. And Dolly Pardon says, you know, I travel a lot and I like to do my thing. And you go, okay. And she goes, how do you feel about that? And he goes, I'm kind of good with whatever you're good with. Dolly Pardon. Well, but you have ever remember. Rich woman who I've married.
Starting point is 00:54:29 But they married at 21. Yeah. Well, they met when she was 18. He's 21. Was she, she's a celebrity? Not yet. Yeah. And she was waiting for her laundry.
Starting point is 00:54:38 I know, bro. She was in the laundry. That might have, that discussion may have came later. They might have been married for. Well, no. What's the math on it? Ten years?
Starting point is 00:54:44 You said they got married. What was the marriage day? 66, you said? Uh, they married in 1966. They met in 1964. So, yeah, and she didn't become a big star until this mid-7. I believe.
Starting point is 00:54:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they had a pretty normal 10 years. Well, I mean, either way. Yeah, for sure. But, I mean, she was also, he also, Carl also came up, even before she was famous, he came up. Even when they got married, only Dolly's mother, A.V. Leah, I think he's how you pronounce her name.
Starting point is 00:55:15 And the preacher and his wife attended the quiet service. In 1966, in Ringgold, Georgia. So they were even private when they were. were not famous. Carl disliked fame and media attention. Choosing to run a local business in Tennessee instead of walking red carpets. It's not for him.
Starting point is 00:55:36 That's very interesting. Which part? All of it. Just all interesting. Like not like it to the point like did he show up to anything? You know what I'm saying? I wonder if he showed up to any like big award shows. I'm saying big ass award shows.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Dolly, how about this? Now there may be so there may be something. in here right where you know we're processing mostly you guys not me but we're processing their relationship through her stardom and celebrity maybe the magic is the fact that she got to not be that with him she got to have something that's what it is she got to have something that was so not any of that at home she got to really be with someone who knew her before she was just celebrated for her cleavage. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:28 Before she was just celebrated for this blonde hair and this look, right? This staged look because that, it was a look that she put on. I don't think she's not like a natural blonde, I don't think. I think she was rocking that. No, she was rocking that, but I think it was because she was a songwriter and that was like to, you know, that was to be the star.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Like that was the show. And it was like, you know, I got my man at home. I'm going to go put on the show. and I get to go back home and we get to be regular. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 00:57:00 I don't know how often she was back home being regular, but at some point she was, right? And then also at some point it slowed down. Well, yeah, but... For the last 30 years,
Starting point is 00:57:09 it was clearly somewhat slow. And maybe he was backstage at shows. And, you know, sitting in the dressing room chilling, watching her perform and just didn't, you know, like a,
Starting point is 00:57:18 do I got to do, I got to do a red carpet when you're out being Dolly Parton? But it is unusual. We can't pretend it's not unusual if you didn't ever show up to any of those things. There are people who have not famous spouses. They do exist.
Starting point is 00:57:31 There aren't tons of them, but there are famous people who have not famous spouses. That's right. You do usually see them at least pop out here and there. Well, I actually love that they didn't feel the need to. I mean, at least as far as we know, we also are making this up, and we didn't see any of those carpets and we have no idea. Well, no, they just said that. But he didn't say he never showed up to any of the stuff.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Oh, right, right, right. But that's what he shows not to me. Did you guys know that Dolly had a TV show, 22 episodes of a TV show called Dolly in the late 80s. Yes. Okay. You remember that? I remember Dolly Parton on TV, yes.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Well, she had a team. Because my mom was a, I felt my mom was watching. She had a TV series in the 70s briefly, and then she had a variety show in the 80s. It didn't end up lasting long or doing well. But how about this? The first episode of Dolly got the largest. audience for any television premiere in history. Wow.
Starting point is 00:58:27 39 million people watched the debut of her show. The guest for episode one were Dudley Moore, Hulk Hogan, Paul Rubens, Oprah Winfrey, and Ed Koch. Wow. Episode two, she had Bert Reynolds, Alabama, and Whoopi Goldberg. Okay. Then she had Bruce Willis and Emmy Lerner. Lou Harris and Linda Ronstadt.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Then she had Patty LaBelle. Jim Henson as Kermit the Frog, Delta Burke, Terrence Trent Darby. Wow. Musical guest. Sign your name. That's my name. Wait, okay. So I just looked it up.
Starting point is 00:59:08 It says, Dolly Parton's late husband, Carl Dean, attended only one award event. Which one? With her in 1967. It says that she begged and convinced Dean to rent a tuxedo and attend the BMI Award ceremony in 1967, where she was nominated for Song of the Year. Dean felt extremely uncomfortable the entire night,
Starting point is 00:59:29 wasn't comfortable with the cameras and flashing lights, and said, quote, don't ever ask me to go to another one of these damn things because I ain't going. And that's it. It says he kept that promise and stayed out of the public spotlight for the rest of their 60-year marriage.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I don't know what bro looks like. Could it be as simple as like, you're Dolly Park, okay? And I'm me. and I stand next to you and I'm still me and you're Dolly Pardon Right And then people are like, yo, why are you with this schlub?
Starting point is 01:00:00 And he's like, I don't want the heat, man. Fuck all that. Take me back to the laundromat. It doesn't look like a bad looking guy though. No, no, no, I'm bullshit. No, no, but I mean, that is an interesting thought, but like, you know, it's a lot to be married to Dolly Part, I'm sure.
Starting point is 01:00:15 What? Take me back to the laundromat, please. This is not what I signed up for, man. I just gave you a couple of quarters to put into the damn machine and dry your draws. Now I'm at the red carpet. And I don't like it. I can't wait to take this tuxedo back. I don't like it.
Starting point is 01:00:32 I think it's funny how she made him rent a tuxedo. Well, it was 67, so they didn't even have bread like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's true. That's true. And not surprisingly, they'll be buried together. That's beautiful, man.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Love that. Listen, man, shout to all the spouses that can, you know, that don't have to be on the red carpet and are good with allowing, you know, or, you know, standing back while they're, you know, public individual does their public facing things. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's not easy. It's not easy to watch, you know, your person go out and be celebrated.
Starting point is 01:01:08 And you just, you know, people, A, you're not the center of attention, or B, you're not, your name is not mentioned. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Some people can feel very intimidated by that. Right. And then, you know, if you're married to Dolly, it's just like the boobs are constant. I mean, the boobs with a convo for decades, bro. I would say if you were to like rank, I mean, in terms of impact, these are the greatest boobs of all time. I knew he was going to try to rank some boobs. I'm done.
Starting point is 01:01:40 I think it's number one. I mean, name bigger boobs. They're not in good luck. They're the most famous boobs in the history of boobs. Laura wants you to hear this. Yeah. We gotta go. But I'm not by lying?
Starting point is 01:01:51 You're not. Those are the most epic? Are they the most epic moves of all time or not? Name more epic. I'll wait. Let's see, this is why Carl didn't want to come out. He might have been punching people in the face. He might have been like, yo, I'm gonna just stay at the crib
Starting point is 01:02:08 because the way these dudes is acting, I might have to fuck one of them up. And if you go look, but when he passed away in 2025, there's a lot of quotes from her about their marriage. That's where like you'll find. She went into a lot of details. Yeah, when he passed about what their life was like together. Yeah, that's what so. All right, Pete Dolly one more time.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Thanks to Tizzy E&T for jumping on the program. You rise tomorrow when we do the, what is we missed. We never, we have not all week, not once played Hakeem Jeffries. Oh, yeah. And his being dressed in the Yankee, baggy, Yankee fitted. I didn't even, by the way, in front of the project. I only saw the photo. Never listened to what he had to say because I was offended by the fitted and being in front of the project.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Wait so you already had to say. Why are you in a fit in front of project? It is. Why? And by the way, if the time, and let me just be clear, it's the timing of it all. You know you're catching heat. You know people are upset with you. You know, people in the communities that you, you know, represent are like,
Starting point is 01:03:09 yo, bro, what the F is going on? What are you actually getting done? So then you go on social media and a fit in front of the bride. That's the timing of it. You know what I'm saying? Very odd time. Don't follow the podcast.

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